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Speaker 1: Hey Dog, Welcome from the Chris Westling podcast Studio, not

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Speaker 1: This him Mark Sessler. The two man show, Allah, Mike

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Speaker 1: two man show? Missing Greg, but he's on a well

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Speaker 1: Greg had a tweet about what thirty forty minutes ago

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Speaker 1: it's one of the reason he's, uh, you know, looking

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Speaker 1: for work as a broadcaster. Yes, well, I hope he's okay,

429
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Speaker 1: funny Actually anyway, let us now move on right by

430
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Speaker 1: the way, like that, having at some point in your

431
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: life earned forty five million, it's not you know, that's

432
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: not bad. That's the four taxes, though you know that's true.

433
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Speaker 1: According to our friend rap sheet, the phone is not

434
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Speaker 1: ringing off the hook at Jaguar's headquarters for the number

435
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Speaker 1: one pick. And uh, you know we're going to continue

436
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Speaker 1: to dive deep or start diving deep as we are

437
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: closer and closer to the draft. Um, but it is indicative,

438
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: especially we just talked about or about to talk about

439
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: the Saints and if what they're gonna do now that

440
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: they have two first round picks, Like the quarterback situation

441
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: is affecting the draft, like you always feel like, even

442
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Speaker 1: when it's a not a big quarterback year, inevitably someone's

443
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Speaker 1: going on the top ten or you end up seeing

444
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Speaker 1: two in the top ten. When you was like oh,

445
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Speaker 1: you go to February before the fine, we're not going

446
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: to see a quarterback taking in the first time. They

447
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: always get taken. However, there's no Trevor Lawrence or Zach

448
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: Wilson or trade lance this year. And that's why the

449
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: Jaguars are just gonna have to deal with possibly sitting

450
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Speaker 1: at number one, which could end up fine. But you

451
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: also don't cry in the river because they had the

452
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 1: number one pick last year and they got Lawrence, who

453
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: was believed to be a generational talent, right and it

454
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: sounds like, you know, they'll just Aiden Hutchinson will will

455
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Speaker 1: become a Jaguar, you know, looking at the most mocks

456
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Speaker 1: and what people think, and people aren't trading up for

457
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Speaker 1: that guy right now. I get that. I mean, this

458
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: is just a it's an atypical draft. I mean, if anything,

459
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: we know the quarterbacks are always over inflated to almost

460
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: an annoying degree. It's not happening this year. And if

461
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Speaker 1: I look at the teams that I think would go

462
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round, even if some of them

463
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Speaker 1: feel a little early, it's the Panthers at six, the

464
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Speaker 1: Falcons at eight, Seattle at nine. Potentially, then you've got

465
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Speaker 1: the Saints sitting there with their situation and then Pittsburgh

466
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Speaker 1: down at twenty. And I think a lot of these

467
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: teams feel like these quarterbacks. If you're gonna get one

468
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: of them, it's not Andrew Luck scenario. They're gonna fall.

469
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Speaker 1: And I think teams are comfortable sitting where they are.

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Speaker 1: Then makes sense. Uh, and other news we're Roland Cessler.

471
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Speaker 1: It's a very smooth operation, absolutely. Uh. Speaking of the draft,

472
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Speaker 1: was a report floated out there that the Jets offered

473
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Speaker 1: up the number ten pick for DK metcap Does that

474
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Speaker 1: sound familiar? Mark? It does, because I I quite in

475
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Speaker 1: what way? Because I had read about this earlier, so

476
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Speaker 1: it is familiar to me. Oh good, You don't remember

477
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Speaker 1: the entire segment of the podcast where I laid out

478
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Speaker 1: a trade scenario that involved the Jets offering up the

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Speaker 1: number ten overall pick for DK metcalf is it does

480
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Speaker 1: it go away that quickly? It does? But I think that, um,

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Speaker 1: I think that probably it tells you that someone like

482
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Speaker 1: Joe Douglas is listening to the shows and you know,

483
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Speaker 1: getting ideas from you. I don't know about that, but anyway,

484
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: it's been shot down in some corners and speaking of

485
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: big name wide receivers, A J. Brown isn't going down

486
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Speaker 1: the trade box block for the Titans as long as

487
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Speaker 1: I'm the head coach, says Mike vrabel I said that

488
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Speaker 1: on the Rich Eyes and Show. So I don't know.

489
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't believe these things, sometimes you do so.

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Speaker 1: Right now, according to one report, the Jets are trying

491
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Speaker 1: to make a deal with Seattle, but other reports say

492
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Speaker 1: that's not happening. Seattle is not interested in moving Dk Metcalf,

493
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: same thing with A J. Brown. But I think we're

494
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: just trained at this point Mark to expect the unexpected.

495
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: At this point, one of these guys moving, we'll see

496
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Speaker 1: if it happens. It answers the question for me if Seattle,

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Speaker 1: you know, quietly or not quietly, was open to a massive,

498
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Speaker 1: true rebuilt because this was the Jamal Adams pick. They

499
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: could get it back if you want to move this

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Speaker 1: wide receiver and you want to go into that, I

501
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Speaker 1: don't think they're interested in that. I think this is

502
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Speaker 1: a team that is not finished obviously at quarterback, and

503
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Speaker 1: there's more to comment. So I look at both A J.

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Speaker 1: Brown and DK Metcalf, and especially from the Titan side,

505
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Speaker 1: and say I would never in my life allow for

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Speaker 1: that to happen if I was the general manager to

507
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Speaker 1: move A. J. Brown. He's two keys too important. Not

508
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Speaker 1: every one of these wide receivers can have their fancy

509
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Speaker 1: when it comes to moving around the league. Can we

510
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Speaker 1: get the I have a different Titans thing to break

511
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Speaker 1: down with Grave Digger. Can we get the cans on

512
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: Grave Digger, Grave Digger? What are we doing here on Twitter?

513
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: I understand you're very passionate about the Titans, and you

514
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: have your podcast which everyone should check out, the Titans

515
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: Film Room, and you did stellar work handling the remote

516
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: and of the Throwback podcast this week where we broke

517
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Speaker 1: down the Foo Fighters and the Taylor Hawkins. Everybody checked

518
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: that out. If you're a fan of the foods um

519
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: but you coming hard after Peter Schreeger, colleague, what are

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00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: we doing here? P Schreg's first mock draft is out

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00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: and this is Justin's move for a colleague. I know

522
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: he works on the other side of the country. Quote retweet.

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00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: I know Schreeger is plugged in, but he's obviously not

524
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: too plugged in on the Titans. Whoa why? Why? Why

525
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: a colleague taking sniper shots from the observe it to.

526
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: Since mock drafts have started, people have been mocked drafting

527
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Speaker 1: the Kobe Dean from Georgia, the linebacker winner of the

528
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: but Kiss Award last year best linebacker in the Country,

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Speaker 1: to the Titans at pick six. It just makes no sense.

530
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: The Titans have two starting linebackers, Zack Cunningham and David Long.

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Speaker 1: They drafted a linebacker out of Georgia actually in the

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Speaker 1: third round last year. There's just no way that they're

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Speaker 1: spending a first round pick on a linebacker. And I

534
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Speaker 1: know Peter Schrager bases his mock drafts on what he's

535
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: hearing and who he's talking to around the drop on

536
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: the reg and we love him for it, but I

537
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: just feel like Number one, there's been a lot of

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00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: reports since John Robinson took over as Titans GM that

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00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: the Titans do not talk to anyone and no information leaks,

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00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: so that being a fact factor, and also just the

541
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Speaker 1: fact that like they're not. I'm telling everyone who will listen,

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00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: the Titans are not drafting a linebacker in the first round.

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Speaker 1: One question. I mean, we we are, you know, A

544
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Speaker 1: couple of years removed from a slight controversy with p

545
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Speaker 1: or schreeger that involved myself and basically him because he

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Speaker 1: said he respected Greg the most over over or was

547
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: that he didn't know your name? Oh no that was

548
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Brand No, well that was yeah. Well it's you know,

549
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: it's one thing or the next. But like Dan, Greg,

550
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: all the guys. I fixed that up by telling him

551
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: at the combine, is we were, you know, separated by

552
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: an elevator door? Love you bro? Do you are? You're

553
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: now going to need to patch fences? Is that actually

554
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: what it's called? Men fences? With your colleague? This was

555
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: were you what were you doing? Were you on psilocybin

556
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: when you tweeted this? This is a bad strategy. I

557
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: didn't mean this as a shot at Peter at all,

558
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: and I know that he is legitimately plugged in all

559
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: around the league. I just don't think he's got a

560
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: good Titan source because I don't think this will happen.

561
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: And I think this is like people look at the

562
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: draft class and they're like, this guy's a first round linebacker,

563
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: so now we got to just match him to a team. Okay,

564
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: It's just you know, with a colleague, there is a

565
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: better way to put it, right, great to sort of

566
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: doesn't care about the environment around him. He just sort

567
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: of goes afterwards. It interesting to see the grave digger

568
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: dig his own grave. Well, he should be good at that.

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Speaker 1: Moving on, Trope Alert Triplet Triplet. Perhaps the Jets were

570
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: rebuked for DK metcalfe at this time, Perhaps a j

571
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: Brown ain't going nowhere, and perhaps that's why Deebo Samuel

572
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: sees the landscape and teams willing to potentially move mountains

573
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: to get a number one ride receiver and says it's

574
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: time to yes unfollow the forty Niners at all formats

575
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Speaker 1: on social media. He has removed and he mentioned of

576
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: the Niners from his socials and I suppose Twitter, certainly

577
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: Instagram a nice old social scrub. We've been we've been

578
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: on top of this, uh for years now, Mark that

579
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: this is one of the great tropes that but I

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00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: guess it works. Otherwise players would have stopped doing it

581
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: by now. Yeah, it's it's I find it increasingly annoying

582
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: and not trying to be grumpy about it, but it's

583
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: kind of just like, all right, uh, we get it.

584
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: You're you're disgruntled, you're annoyed, you want more money and

585
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: it but it does all if you're Deebo Samuel, and

586
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: if you were ever to take Deebo Samuel off the Niners,

587
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna turn around and say, hey, Trey Lance,

588
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: have a nice time starting that is a disaster. And

589
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: at this stage in the Kyle Shanahan journey, you can't

590
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: do that. He's in the last year of his contract.

591
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: Here's the problem right now. The Niners. I know that

592
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: cap space means nothing, but they had the least, according

593
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: to over the Caprinow, the least cap room in the NFL.

594
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: And this whole Jimmy g thing becomes a little bit

595
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: more pivotal because he has a twenty six million dollar

596
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: cap hit. If you cut him. It's not one of

597
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: those things where you take on four billion dollars worth

598
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: of dead money. They would open up twenty five million dollars.

599
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: So it maybe has you have to look at that situation.

600
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: If Debo needs to get paid now, they're gonna have

601
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: to make a few moves to make it happen. Interesting

602
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: But still, like you know, I don't know. The reason

603
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: it works, I guess is because now we're talking about it.

604
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: ESPN is talking about Skip Bayliss is talking about it

605
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: and all that um. But you know, I can't imagine

606
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: the Niners, after what he's meant to that team not

607
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 1: doing ever moving heaven and Earth themselves to make sure

608
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: they keep him happy. That's maybe he says, Look at

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00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: how valuable I am. It's time for a race like

610
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's was a was a botch job. He flew

611
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: a little too close to the sun, and we're kind

612
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: of giggling at him because it just sort of it

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00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: fizzled out. They needed a reverse and at all the

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Speaker 1: pictures like debot is a whole different situation. He is

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Speaker 1: the sun. He did reverse at didn't Kyler put a

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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff back in there? Am I wrong about that?

617
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Speaker 1: He did? Yeah, he did. Grave Digger saying, yes, what

618
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: are we doing? That's what I'm saying. He like he

619
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: came out of it looking utterly absurd. But just keep

620
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: an eye on the situation. It's probably not anything, but

621
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Speaker 1: we must report on it. It is a troupe alert.

622
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: But we are a football podcast reporting on the news. Finally,

623
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: two things, Whitney Merciless is retired after ten seasons. Former

624
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: Texans stand out edge rusher and the honey Badger market

625
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: heating up. Okay um, he visited with the Saints. He

626
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: had a scheduled visit with the Eagles today, I believe,

627
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: which makes a lot of sense for them, And I

628
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: bring that up both because he's one of the most

629
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Speaker 1: prominent free agents left on the market, uh and also

630
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: because the Graybeards have been unveiled on NFL dot Com.

631
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it with Greggy and Evan Silva

632
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday's episode Honey Badger. I don't don't come to

633
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: me and say he has to come off my list

634
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: if he gets signed today, tomorrow, over the weekend, because

635
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: once you're a gray beard, you're a gray beard forever.

636
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: But keep an eye on the uh, Honey Badger market.

637
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Tyron Matthew is too good a player to be sitting

638
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: on the market much longer. Yeah, it could be. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's I think he's waiting for the fit. He's someone

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Speaker 1: that would care about the fit and the team he

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Speaker 1: goes to, and certainly the money too. I mean, you've

642
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: been openly tweeting about this for for a long time.

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00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: I cannot I'm gonna be away, but I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to listen to this. Evan silver appearance. I don't imagine

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Speaker 1: that you will. I mean, I mean not during my

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Speaker 1: time away at some other time, you know, when the

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Speaker 1: days become packed and slightly annoying. Again. All right, good,

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Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. Let's take a break

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get Catherine Terrell to talk Saints drama.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to around the NFL. Now, we're very happy

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Speaker 1: to be joined by great reporter for the Athletic covers

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Speaker 1: all things Saints, and we have so many questions after

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Speaker 1: the big draft pick trade that went down. Her name

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Speaker 1: Katherine Terrell, don't ever call her Cat Terrell. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: be around the NFL. What's up? Happy, happy to be on.

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Speaker 1: How are you all do? Good? Thanks did the deep

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00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: YouTube search there. We wanted to make sure we had

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Speaker 1: the pronunciation right, and now explaining it to you, it's like,

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Speaker 1: why didn't I just ask you? But we did the

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Speaker 1: research to make sure we had the pronunciation correct. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that actually. So here's some good research, Thank you, Kevin.

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00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: So here we are the Eagles scent pick sixteen and

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Speaker 1: nineteen overall and one round to the Saints in exchange

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Speaker 1: for the eighteen pick. One pick that's a third round

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Speaker 1: two thirty seven and the seventh round pick and second

666
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: round pick. So a really interesting trade, a lot of speculation.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Catherine, is somebody close to the Saints when

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Speaker 1: you see it go down and you kind of digest it,

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Speaker 1: What did you take at it? What did it mean

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00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: for the Saints? Well, I know everyone automatically wants to

671
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: jump to quarterback, and I think it's a logical assumption,

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00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily think that's what the Saints are

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00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: aiming for here. They're still kind of far back to

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00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: be starting. They're going to get a quarterback, so if

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00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: that turns tension, they would have to make more moves.

676
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: But you know, the Saints have said that they are

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Speaker 1: going to curb their massive salary cap spending and try

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00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: to scale back. Now I don't know if I believe them,

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00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: but this would be a way to do it because

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Speaker 1: then you get, uh, two rookie presumably starters that would

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Speaker 1: be under cheaper contracts than you would if you had

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Speaker 1: to get free agents. So I don't know exactly what

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Speaker 1: it means, but I assume it's something on the offensive

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00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: side of the ball. The Saints are cooking up. Yeah,

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00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: it's like there's a there's a need for wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle, and I do think the quarterback position is

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Speaker 1: something that maybe I don't know if the Saints are

688
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: in love with a specific one, but if the right

689
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: guy falls to them, you think they might pull the

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Speaker 1: lever get a quarterback and then not to tell Jamis

691
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: Winston and Andy Dalton, we've got someone else to compete

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00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: with you. Well, they already had to have some tough

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Speaker 1: conversations with Jamis Winston when they went after Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: and it definitely started like that made for an awkward

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Speaker 1: few days. So I guess they'd just be doing it

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00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: all over again. But you know, absolutely, if the right

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Speaker 1: quarterback is there, I think I'll go after them. And

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Speaker 1: if the right quarterback is within range, I think they'd

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00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: make the moves to get them. I think the worst

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00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: thing they could do would be to make all these

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00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: moves just to get a quarterback and reach for one.

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00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: It's not at the top of their board if it's

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00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: just a guy that plays the position and they're trying

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Speaker 1: to fill that need. What's interesting, though, is that they

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Speaker 1: gave a first round pick next year, so Jamis is

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Speaker 1: only under contract for two years, so it kind of

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Speaker 1: makes you wonder, what's the long term plan here if

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Speaker 1: you don't believe in Winston enough to give him a

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00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: long term deal, and now you don't have a first

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Speaker 1: round pick next year, so presumably you can't get a

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Speaker 1: quarterback in that class. It's actually really interesting. Um, but

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Speaker 1: the Saints always like to start things up around this time, right, Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: it totally makes sense. And it's just like listen, you've

714
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: you've been following his team for a while. You know

715
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: the path they've taken. It's always push everything back, push

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00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: everything back, and load up. You have the Drew Brees.

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Speaker 1: Are that all made sense. Some of the immediate its

718
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: speculation around the steal was, well, this is a win

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Speaker 1: now move right now for the Saints. But when you

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Speaker 1: look at this roster where it is, do you see

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Speaker 1: it that way? And I'm not saying the Saints see

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00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: them is that way, but that's been one of the

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00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: ways people read into this trade by giving away next

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00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: year's first round pick. They think, if we get hit

725
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Speaker 1: on this drafteen, maybe magic can happen quickly. Do you

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00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: see it that way? Well, there's a couple of things

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Speaker 1: First of all, as you pointed out, I think the

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00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: Saints see it that way. Absolutely. Uh do I see

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00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: it that way. I mean I do see a team

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Speaker 1: that really should have made the playoffs. Last year. They

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Speaker 1: had absolutely everything go wrong, and still if they hadn't

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Speaker 1: had that game where Happy Team was out with COVID,

733
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Speaker 1: then maybe things would have been different. And they had

734
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Speaker 1: a lot of injuries, and I think you could say, hey,

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00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: that team is almost made the playoffs. If they're healthy

736
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Speaker 1: this year, why can't they contend. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: I think that this is a team that's not as

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Speaker 1: good as last year because they're already missing some guys

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00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: that were key parts of that team. Tron Armstead, Juan

740
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins is another there. But you know, maybe it's

741
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: all wash if you get Michael Thomas back, and you

742
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: know this kind of sounds silly, but get their kicker back,

743
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: and that was a huge part of last year of

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00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: them losing some games. So yeah, I think I kind

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00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: of see this team very similar to last team, the

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00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: middle of the road team that maybe could make the playoffs,

747
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: and the Saints probably see it as a team where, hey,

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00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: if we get healthy, we should be able to make

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Speaker 1: a run with the way that the team is structured

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00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: right now. Is this a Mickey Loomis move alone or

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Speaker 1: does Dennis Allen have uh, you know, a lot of

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00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: say here. Obviously Sean Payton had a ments say is

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Speaker 1: it Is it a different situation that Dennis Allen now

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Speaker 1: sits in the chair. That's a great question because we

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Speaker 1: all know Sean paytey called a lot of the shots

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Speaker 1: as since he'd been there so long. Um, I think

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00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: it's it's probably made in tandem. I don't think Mickey

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00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: would make any move without Dennis Allen, like I think

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00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen was fully on board, um with going after

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Speaker 1: the on Watson. But it's it's probably more the front

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Speaker 1: office than Dennis Allen, I would think. I think that

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00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: they're always kind of looking to see, like where we

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Speaker 1: can improve our roster. But you know, just how much

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Speaker 1: control Dennis Allen had. It's something that's we're not going

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Speaker 1: to see for a while. I think I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to take a year or two before we see

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Speaker 1: if it's anything like the type of control that Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton had. You should know, Catherine, by the way, that

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Speaker 1: the that's a great question affects no one else in

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00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: a more positive way than my partner Mark Cecily here.

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Speaker 1: So you just made the man stay. You should know

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Speaker 1: that I appreciate that. Thank you. You got to hand

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Speaker 1: out the compliment. Um. Speaking of Sean Payton, people that

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Speaker 1: who aren't as close to the team like us bozos,

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00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: we we think about like m is he really all

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Speaker 1: the way out? Especially if they would have landed to

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Speaker 1: Shaun Watson? Would he have found his way back in

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00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: that building? Do you get the vibe that the door

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00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: is closed, that chapter has ended? Or is Peyton and

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00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: the Saints still a marriage that could ever come back? Actually?

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00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: You saying that makes me remember a point I was

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00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: gonna make a few minutes ago, and forgot that the

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00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: Saints might be making this move banking on the fact

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Speaker 1: that some other team next year is going to trade

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00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: for Sean Payton into Now what what team would it be,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If it's a team within the vision,

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00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: it's the price is gonna come a lot higher, I

788
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: do think for right now, the door is closed on

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00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Sean Payton just because it has to be. You can't

790
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: give someone else the job and give it with the

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00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: I guess air that the other coach is going to

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00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: be hanging around. No, I don't think that means there's

793
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: any sort of fractured relationship. But you know, you can't

794
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: have Sean Payton and hanging out in the closet just

795
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: waiting for so like with Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien,

796
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: they shouldn't follow NBC's lead. That worked out really well

797
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: for everyone. Everyone ended up really happy with that. I

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Speaker 1: would have for now. I would ask this like Dennis

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00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: Ellen when he was in Oakland, and I get the

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00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: coaches learned from those first failed coaching experiences. There were

801
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot of whispers that he was not very well

802
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: liked um by players necessarily that the way you know,

803
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: he's a different experience than Sean Payton. Do you get

804
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: the sense that the Saints locker room um doors Dennis Ellen,

805
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: or is it somewhere in a bit of a darker place,

806
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: potentially darker. I think that darker. I think that the

807
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball really likes him. I think

808
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: with the offensive side of the ball, I think there's

809
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done. And I only

810
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 1: get that sense because, for example, Dennis Allen flew out

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Speaker 1: to meet with Michael Thomas in California, and he tried

812
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: to say when he was speaking at the owners meetings, Oh,

813
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to get to know all the

814
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: UM players, and Michael Thomas has kind of been on

815
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: the periphery because he's been injured. So I of course said, Okay,

816
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: did you go fly out with any other players and

817
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: did you go meet them? And he said no, So

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00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's one relationship he's gonna have to

819
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: work on because he didn't really need to work on

820
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: it before, and then Jameis Winston when all that happened,

821
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: he's got to work on that relationship. So I think defensively,

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00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: I think those players really like and trust him, just

823
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, based on everything they were saying leading up

824
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Speaker 1: to the last few months the season when he took

825
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: over temporarily when Peyton had COVID and uh, there was

826
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of rumors he was going to get a

827
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: head coaching job. Offensively, I think that's a big question

828
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: and he's going to have to answer that, and he has,

829
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: I think a lot of other questions to answer to

830
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: kind of prove that he's learned and moved on from

831
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Speaker 1: what happened in Oakland. Moving back to the quarterback position,

832
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: and well, maybe someone who's moved out of the quarterback position,

833
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, who has had a really interesting, unique NFL

834
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: journey over the last few years. I get what's happening

835
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: here because I know it wasn't a full audition, but

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Speaker 1: we saw maybe enough of Taysom Hill last year to say, okay,

837
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: this is not exactly a guy going forward. But then

838
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: we learned he's being moved out of the quarterback room entirely.

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Speaker 1: He's a tie. Then now, does that mean he's not

840
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: going to be there jack of all trades? Is that

841
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: just now a philosophy changed with a new head coach

842
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: in the building. Is Taysom Hill done taking snaps period? Well,

843
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen wouldn't confirm that he's out of the quarterback room,

844
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: but I think for all intensive purposes he probably is.

845
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: But it might be a role like two thousand nineteen.

846
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I think that worked pretty well for them. He would

847
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: be um, the third guy. He would be the guy

848
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: that you know, comes in to be the change of

849
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: pace guy UM while still you know, catching passes and

850
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Speaker 1: things like that. I think that's a better role for

851
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: him than a direct backup and Alan was saying the

852
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: same thing. He said, I don't want Taysom on the

853
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: sideline next to me. And honestly, I think by this

854
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: point we have seen enough a Taysom Hill at quarterback

855
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: to make that decision. I honestly kind of think we

856
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: saw it a while ago. I think he can just

857
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: be utilized better, um in a different role than I

858
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: guess sitting behind Winston, you know, hoping he's going to

859
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: get a third shot to prove himself. Back to the

860
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: draft for a minute, our guy Daniel Jeremiah mentioned Desmond

861
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: ritter Um talking to people around the league of someone

862
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: the Saints might have interested. Have you heard whispers at

863
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: all about what rookie quarterback they might be into. I

864
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: get that, you know, where they sit, they can't necessarily

865
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: have their number one pick, and maybe they would be

866
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: open to taking their second favorite guy. I'm not sure

867
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: about that, but if if any name is bubbled up, honestly,

868
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: with the quarterback, I think that the Saints have kind

869
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: of been pretty quiet about that. You know, they haven't

870
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: really shown their hand on that regard, which is why

871
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: it's so interesting that they have made this trade so

872
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: far before the draft. Um, it's gotten so many people

873
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: talking as to what the Saints are going to do

874
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: with it and why do it now versus you know,

875
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: do it closer to draft day or on draft day.

876
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: So I think that you know, if they do love

877
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: a quarterback, we don't know yet. I feel like with

878
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: Peyton sometimes you you kind of knew be left at quarterback.

879
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: I think people knew about Garrett Grayson before um they

880
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: took him. It's hard to remember, and obviously that did

881
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: not work out, but it's gonna be interesting if they

882
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: take a quarterback. Hey, I'm here for it. Um, I'm

883
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: here for it. Let's do more quarterback through that after

884
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: they started four different guys last year. Right, our colleague

885
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: who's on vacation with see Greg Rosenthal has a theory,

886
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: keep on taking quarterbacks until you hit on the one,

887
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: like they did with Drew Brees, although they didn't they

888
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: traded for Drew Brees, but that point finally a tweet

889
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: Catherine Terrell not Terrell from you twenty six minutes ago.

890
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: Drove from Baton Rouge to New Orleans today and my

891
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: dog threw up three minutes away from getting to my house.

892
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: I hope everyone's day is going better than mine. I

893
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: hope we improved your day a little bit, although probably not.

894
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: But also that sucks and I'm sorry to hear that

895
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: happened to you the worst. I just thought everyone needs

896
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: to know what was happening as I was driving from

897
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 1: Baton Rouge, and I think the dog at least felt

898
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: bad about it. I don't know if dog's feel bad

899
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: about these things. She seemed like she felt bad about

900
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: it as I was like waving my hands and frantically

901
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: tell her telling her away. I just hope everyone pictures that.

902
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: I do have a question. Does dog throw up have

903
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: a similar smell to human throw up? Have you never

904
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: been around a dog before? Not to the degree where

905
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: they're throwing up before? It did not. It did not

906
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: have a smell, so don't I mean normally normally it does.

907
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: I hope that you never learn whether it has a

908
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: smaller and I hope you never have to. That's how

909
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: we get the bullet. You can do that for me,

910
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, yes, she's been racked with guilt since

911
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: you began this interview with us, So just go over

912
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: to pattern on the head to say, good girl, good girl,

913
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: You'll be okay. She's been quiet this whole thank you, So,

914
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean maybe she does feel bad. All right, Katherine,

915
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. I hope you

916
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: get a quarterback in the mix and make things even

917
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: more exciting. But that's a fun beat to be on,

918
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: and you do a great job on it takes a lot,

919
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: you know. I'm a I'm all for chaos, so you

920
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: know you just want to bring that. Let's let's see

921
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: it the next few weeks. All right, Katherine Tarrell from

922
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: the Athletic, thank you very much. All Right, there she goes,

923
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: Katherine Tarrell of the Athletic over, everything's okay with the

924
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: dog and I, um, it's interesting these the Saints are

925
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: in I don't want to say perilous, but these are

926
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: uncertain times and it just goes to show you and

927
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: now the Pittsburgh Steelers are going through the same thing

928
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: post Ben Roethlisberger that when you do have that legendary

929
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: quarterback forever, uh, it leads to a period of uncertainty

930
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: until you find that next guy. And I don't know

931
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: if this trade is going to lead to them trying

932
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: to identify that guy now or if they still believe

933
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: that Winston could be that guy. But it's interesting watching

934
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: these teams try to figure it out. Now with the Patriots,

935
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: there another example and perhaps the most prominent example of

936
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: being in that spot. When Tom Brady leaves, they they

937
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: might have hit on Mac Jones and have a guy

938
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: they can trust now for the foreseeable future. That's what

939
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: the Saints are trying to do. I just I tend

940
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: to think that quarterback has to be high in the radar,

941
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: but you could see a combination of like offensive tackle

942
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: and wide receiver if the if the wrong guy came

943
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: to him. I just I I know for Saints fans,

944
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: like they've been super frustrated with the inactivity of the team,

945
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: and listen at least showed that they they're not in

946
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: a coma the front office, and it's it's tough. It's

947
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: tough to figure out their situation here with that because

948
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: they were so close. It seems Undershaun Watson, which and

949
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: we've talked about how you know naughty that issue is

950
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: with the Browns um But if they get Deshaun Watson,

951
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: and once you figure out the suspension situation that's sure

952
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: to come, you have your guy for the foreseeable future.

953
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen and you just now realize, Okay, we

954
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: have Jameis Winston, who were maybe in on, maybe out on.

955
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: We have a draft class this year. We have two

956
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: first round picks, but no clear quarterback for to most people.

957
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: Maybe the Saints love a guy. And then now you

958
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: don't have that first round pick next year. As Katherine mentioned,

959
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: you've kind of boxed yourself in a little bit here

960
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: and need to hit on something and maybe get a

961
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: little bit lucky. So it'll be interesting to see what

962
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: happens with the Saints coming up. Um, all right, now,

963
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone before we sign off, Before Mark you

964
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: head into your well learned vacation, well, we have a

965
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: TV show tomorrow. So unless you're telling me I don't

966
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: need to show up for that, just you and me

967
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: would be just you a lot about the TV show,

968
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: but you should not listener check it out The Around

969
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: the NFL broadcast on NFL Network every Friday, three pm

970
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: Eastern noon Pacific. I think that's right. A lot of

971
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: people Mark are saying, Okay, so you were asked boys

972
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: to speak to players who may be interested in starting

973
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: a podcast how to become successful in the podcast game.

974
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: And I would say we are successful. We we've done it,

975
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: but we've also never thought about it before. So you

976
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: and I went, we had a couple of pints on Sunday. Well,

977
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: you had some chardonnay because you're classy. Well, it's just

978
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: like the beer sometimes feels like I'm eating like a

979
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: loafer bread, so and you don't like sometimes it doesn't

980
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 1: feel like a loaf bread. And that's what I enjoyed.

981
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: So I thought it would be maybe nice to share

982
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: with everyone, including our enemies, um our strategy for success.

983
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: That's how confident we are. So we're gonna use this

984
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: sign off to share with you, the listener, and anyone else,

985
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: including our enemies, our keys to success that we shared

986
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: with the players. Is this a good idea? No, it's

987
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: gonna level the playing field. Uh nuts. I don't like that.

988
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: But Erica, is this a good idea? I like it.

989
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: I think it shows our b d E. You know

990
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. You could use it for the for

991
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: the for your broad for the broadcast. Honey, I don't

992
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: need it, alright, alright, hit it, ricky number one. It's

993
00:51:52,200 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: a four pillar to to to build the house said

994
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: is a successful podcast. There are four pillars number one

995
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: chemistry and we're not even going to elaborate the right

996
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: Number one, chemistry is everything. Number two consistency and patience.

997
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: Figure the rest of that out yourself. Number three d

998
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: y h. Should we even tell him that? I think so,

999
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: do your homework, baby. And finally, number four, be yourself.

1000
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: I would add a caveat to that. For plenty of

1001
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: these failing podcasts, being themselves has not worked. Apparently, be

1002
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: someone else, be us, try to be us. I mean,

1003
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: I feel like we've held people today, I think so.

1004
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: Now we just get pulled down into the sea of

1005
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: all the other ship. Don't let Erica's bravado throw you off.

1006
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: I did at the court of my eyes, so her

1007
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: furiously scribbling on a notepad. You know, yeah, yeah, I

1008
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: really wrote down be yourself. All right. Well, I'll tell

1009
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: you something. The players were, um, they were electrified and

1010
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: entranced by our words. I'm tearing up. I was beautiful.

1011
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the show. Thank you to

1012
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: Catherine Terrell of The Athletic. Thank you Ricky, Randy Chavez,

1013
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: the Grave Digger, and you the listener who've been with

1014
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: us since. Richard Sherman and we thank you. Cannot thank

1015
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: you enough. Number five, get a buttload of super loyal,

1016
00:53:48,840 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: awesome listeners. That's it until Tuesday. Heat the Call to

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Speaker 1: s