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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Over here.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Doing pretty good? It's been waiting for you.

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Speaker 3: How you've been running a little late today. I'm good,

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Speaker 3: I'm good. Listen. You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yes, malware, DNA.

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Speaker 3: Malware DNA yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you know, like I like, I like technology, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not a tech bro. I know a rap name.

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Speaker 2: But uh, there's this. I'm reading this Wired story. They

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Speaker 2: they Okay, I don't know. This is wild. Maybe you'll

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Speaker 2: find this interesting. I find it ridiculous. A group of

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Speaker 2: researchers from the University of Washington, they created malicious software malware, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they put it into physical DNA strands EW so

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Speaker 2: in a gene sequencer analyzes the DNA, the program gets

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Speaker 2: read and then it corrupts the gene sequencing software and

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Speaker 2: it takes control of the computer.

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Speaker 3: So you just give your like DNA.

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Speaker 2: Dn M malware.

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Speaker 3: You can put in twenty three and meters rip and

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Speaker 3: then bring the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Down DNA hijack love in that nuts. I'm gonna just

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Speaker 2: inject myself of malware, do it. Yeah, that's the ridiculous part.

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Speaker 2: My idea is I need some malware.

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Speaker 3: You'll find me out behind the headquarters building, chewing on

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Speaker 3: a flash drive, just trying to get that sweet malware

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Speaker 3: up in me.

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Speaker 2: So in that ridiculous It.

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Speaker 3: Is so ridiculous, love. Do you want to know what

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Speaker 3: else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Goodness? Yes, getting off the rock.

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Speaker 3: This is a ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 3: outrageous capers, heist and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 3: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. I asked today

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Speaker 3: for your indulgence. I think that that is because when

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Speaker 3: things are tough, everyone has to go to their comfort zone.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's why I wanted to tell you a story

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Speaker 2: about Ireland earlier. YEA, something comfortingly nice makes.

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Speaker 3: People happy and calm. For me, that's usually like the

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Speaker 3: garden or cooking, making, hugging on dogs. Oh yeah, what

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Speaker 3: about you? What's your comfort zone place?

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Speaker 2: Speed? I don't mean the drug, I mean going fast,

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Speaker 2: just the act of going fast. I feel so relaxed

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Speaker 2: when I'm going fast.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like comfort zone. It's more in the

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Speaker 2: cool zone.

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Speaker 3: But like the world is wild. Yes, as Shanaide saying,

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Speaker 3: these are dangerous days.

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Speaker 2: I think Elizabeth you've maybe realized I don't have a comfort.

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Speaker 3: Zone going fast, I.

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Speaker 2: Was kind of bing it's it's it's more I just

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Speaker 2: feel good. I don't really have a comfort zone. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I seek out enough comfort. You've made me

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Speaker 2: realized I have a paucity of comfort comfort I need.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to follow you in Shanade's advice, these.

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Speaker 3: Are dangerous days. You fill in the rest of the

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Speaker 3: line in your head if you know it. But the

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Speaker 3: show almost go on, almost go on. So I have

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Speaker 3: to tell you a compelling story.

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Speaker 2: Right please.

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Speaker 3: I can't come here and like be like, oh, list

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Speaker 3: off my tomato seedlings for an hour. I mean I could,

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Speaker 3: but there's no crime there other than how criminally delicious

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Speaker 3: those tomatoes are going to be. I have to tell

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Speaker 3: you an hour's worth of a z any crime. So

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Speaker 3: for that, I'm going to go to my comfort place

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Speaker 3: and Zarin that is San Francisco Bay Area history.

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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right with that, I have a question for you. Have

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Speaker 2: No? Actually I've never have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me neither. I am a fifth generation Bay Area

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Speaker 2: We should go, We should totally requid a ridiculous crime

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Speaker 3: I kind of had wanted to do this one there,

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Speaker 2: You forgot to get the boat tickets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been to the other like large free standing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like to go hiking off. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 2: nature preserved Alcatraz. Why would why would you want to

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Speaker 2: I've been offered to go and I was like, it's

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Speaker 3: It means you have to go to like Peer thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta go hang out all these tourists and

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Speaker 2: Capone wants to spit here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to put it on my list now.

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Speaker 2: I do want to go because I'm hoping they have

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Speaker 2: like an al Capone banjo jazz band.

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Speaker 3: In the event that I ever leave my house to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, call me, let me know that.

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Speaker 3: So the island started out as kind of a prison,

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Speaker 3: oddly enough, because the Oloney people on whose land we

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Speaker 2: Really, it was a banishment spot.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense. Yeah, that's what I That's what I was told.

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Speaker 3: Whereas Angel Islands pretty big relatively speaking, and has its

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Speaker 3: And there's the wind, like I said, and it's not

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Speaker 2: No, they got crazy currents right there, and there's sharks.

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Speaker 2: That's where all the like the wind, the sail borders

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So when the Spanish showed up, they named

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Speaker 3: the island like Isla Delos Alcatraces, And I'm saying that's

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Speaker 3: where it gets it, island of the Pelicans. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: So there essentially there was you said, Pelican Island, and

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Speaker 2: then there's also Pelican Bay, the prison up nor Repelican, California.

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Speaker 3: That's the logo, that's the mascot Pelicans. So the name

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Speaker 3: was later shortened to Alcatraz. It's way jazzier totally. There's

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Speaker 3: fun fact. Enjoy the tours there, thank you. So after that,

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Speaker 3: harsh conditions, near impossible to escape because of like those cold,

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Speaker 3: there were fourteen escape attempts, thirty six men Alcatraz. Yes,

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Speaker 3: in a second. Due to high maintenance costs Alcatraz, they

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Speaker 3: closed it in nineteen sixty three. In nineteen sixty nine,

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Speaker 3: Native American activists, led by Richard Oaks, they occupied Alcatraz

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Speaker 2: My friend's father was involved in that exactly, So shout

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Speaker 3: And they wanted the land return to Indigenous people. It

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Speaker 3: National Recreation Area. Now it's a big tourist attraction. So

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Speaker 3: here's a fun fact for this virtual tour. Alcatraz had

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Speaker 3: hot showers, yes, and that was to prevent the prisoners

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Speaker 2: Oh, they didn't want them to like basically, you know,

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Speaker 3: So instead you have to take a hot shower, craze

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Speaker 3: just hot water coming out of them showers. Isn't that nuts?

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Speaker 3: You can't temping yourself up? So Alcatraz is like a

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Speaker 3: Chronicle writer Jay Campbell Bruce he wrote this book in

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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty three, Escape from Alcatraz quote. The armorer, in

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Speaker 2: So they're basically going up against this mastermind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's just like in the like control tower.

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Speaker 3: He can do and see everything. Interesting, most of the

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Speaker 3: So one of the ones who was recaptured was John

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Speaker 3: Giles on July thirty first, nineteen forty five. His job

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Speaker 3: thinking Treasure Islander. It was sent to Alcatraz to be clean.

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Speaker 3: He would just take little bits out, one by one,

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Speaker 3: made himself a whole uniform. He made fake dog tags,

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Officers on the boat quickly noticed they

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Speaker 3: Well, the guards could not even see the Coastguard boards

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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter though they're escape kicked off. According to the

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Speaker 2: So thick you can't see your hand. You literally can't

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Speaker 3: It's fantastic. Yeah, so let's take a break. When we

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Speaker 2: I was hitting myself in the face, going, who's hitting you?

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Speaker 3: December seventeenth, a journalist reaches out to Cole's parents. They

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Speaker 2: It's not that could afford. It's nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, agg country. Well, they had a ranch, they got

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Speaker 3: Back to the journalists visiting Cole's family, he let them

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Speaker 2: They didn't have a radio. They weren't listening to your

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Speaker 3: No, sadly no. So they promised the press that they

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Speaker 3: There were various unconfirmed but reported sightings, like all around Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: got shot by Cole who was trying to rob his car.

436
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: Two hitchhikers said they got a ride from a man

437
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: they were positive was Ralph Roe. In nineteen forty one,

438
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: the San Francisco Chronicle reported the two guys were living

439
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: in Peru and Chile, I don't know, simultaneously different like

440
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: at whatever, and had quote plenty of money.

441
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: They're kind of like a Butcher Sun Dance move from

442
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: South America.

443
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty eight, the FBI looked into a report that

444
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: Cole and Roe were playing the banjo and guitar in

445
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: a bar and New Jersey. That that's amazing is the

446
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: story that I want to be true. Like, think about

447
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 3: that for a second. So you have two Alcatraz buddies

448
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: who defied the law and nature to escape the rock

449
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: and his aid capture, only to take up musical instruments

450
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: and start new lives playing at a bar in New

451
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: Jersey banjo and guitar. That's delicious. Wait, that's a perfect

452
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: scene for your movie. You got Jack White just destroying

453
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: it on the guitar eighteen fifty eight. I don't know

454
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: who would play Ralph Rowe. Let me let me show

455
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: you their mugshots and then you can you can tell me.

456
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: Scroll down here, okay, so on your left is coal.

457
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and then oh yikes, yeah it is some

458
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: real criminals, criminals people back. He does look like Jack

459
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: White never had a hot meal?

460
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. So, yeah, those are bad boys of rock

461
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 3: and roll. And like, yeah, why do you like?

462
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: Was it the photographs? The food, like the lead and

463
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: the milk? Like, what the hell is all of the above?

464
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 3: All of the above? Okay, So they're in nineteen fifty eight,

465
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: they're playing in this bar. You got to figure out

466
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 3: who you're going to cast as Ralph row anyway, nineteen.

467
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: Four, that's a tough challenge.

468
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: Seventy four, thirty seven years after they liked it, the

469
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 3: active investigation was stopped.

470
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: Oh there, I thought it's gonna be like they were, like,

471
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: you know, Roadies were the dead, Like they was spotted

472
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: in Minnesota.

473
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: They were officially listed as missing and presumed dead.

474
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: Okay, and I think.

475
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: Like successful escape or not, those two are long gone,

476
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: Like right now, they'd be in their one hundred teens

477
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: or like one hundred twenties.

478
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're out there with the Elvis sightings. It's now

479
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: like you're dead, bro. Exactly. So do you think they

480
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 2: made it out or not?

481
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: Sure?

482
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: You don't think they become sharp?

483
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure?

484
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: Honestly, do you think.

485
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: They made if the current was that strong, And I

486
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: don't think they outside of the gate, you wouldn't ever

487
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: find their bodies.

488
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: You would never see anything again. No, so nothing.

489
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: I don't think they did it. And I like, you know,

490
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: you have to be a really strong swimmer, and they

491
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: hadn't been.

492
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: Haven't practicing at all, They haven't been in the water.

493
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: And also you cramp up and like you can't make

494
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: your body work anymore. It's freezing cold.

495
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 3: They gets swimmers here.

496
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 2: There's that as well.

497
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: So hard so Alcatraz the rock. Those dudes made a

498
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: break for it. Pretty ridiculous. But I have one that's

499
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: even better. This is the best Alcatraz escape ever.

500
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: Do they butter themselves before they hit the water?

501
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: They're made of butter, Because.

502
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: I'd be covered completely large, I'd be covered in large.

503
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: I'd i'd be ordering from the commissary like vats of vassel.

504
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: Totally, I mean, like various oils and oneons wetsuits.

505
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: So this one happened in nineteen sixty two. It involved

506
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 3: three guys, Frank Morris, John Anglin, and Clarence Anglin. Oh yeah,

507
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 3: so Frank Morris arrived at Alcatraz January nineteen sixty and,

508
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: according to alcatrazistory dot com please quote, by the time

509
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: he reached his later teens, Morris's criminal record would include

510
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 3: a multitude of crimes ranging from narcotics possession to armed robbery,

511
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: and he had become a professional inhabitant of the correctional system.

512
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 3: He spent his formative years in a boys training school,

513
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: and then he graduated to a series of even larger penitentiaries.

514
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: So he allegedly had an IQ of one thirty five,

515
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: which is considered above average or quote moderately gifted. Okay,

516
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: so good for him. I'm sad that he missed out

517
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: on being in the gifted and Talented program as a kid.

518
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 2: This is why I see people talk about, Oh, there

519
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: are one thirty on the I know. I see that

520
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: online and I'm like, who.

521
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: Cares, I don't know, I don't know.

522
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, that's coming around. Okay, that's the number.

523
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: Sure you can go a lot higher than that. Oh

524
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: I know, honey, lower too.

525
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I've been tested.

526
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: So nineteen fifty five, Morris was serving a ten year

527
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: sentence for robbery and marijuana possession. When he was he

528
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: was in Louisiana State Prison in Angola.

529
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: See, and they say standards don't have ambition.

530
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: He escaped while he was out in the fields, cut

531
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: in sugarcane.

532
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's like something out of the exactly that.

533
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So about six months later around Thanksgiving time.

534
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: Field outside of Anglia. I mean I can just hear

535
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: and feel the heat.

536
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: I'm so glad he escaped.

537
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 2: Oh kind of snakes.

538
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: And so he's out right, he's on the lamb. He

539
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: gets he's part of a team that robbed a bank

540
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: by boring a hole through a wall and burning open

541
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: two vaults. They got six one hundred and sixty five

542
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: dollars in coins, but that's like seventy three thousand dollars today.

543
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: Yeahs all coins. They're just like doing a burden a

544
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: lot of laundry. So he needs to make a phone

545
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 3: call a cup of coffee. So they're caught a few

546
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: months later. He got sentenced to fourteen years and you know,

547
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: sent to the rock. Then we have the brothers Anglin,

548
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: John and Clarence. They had also been in and out

549
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: of prison for bank robbery. Clarence had escaped before and

550
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: by nineteen sixty both of them were back in Levenworth.

551
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: August of nineteen sixty, while in Levenworth, they again tried

552
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: to escape. According to that book, Escape from Alcatraz, Clarence

553
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: quote cut the top off a big bread box and

554
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 3: the bottom out of another. John sat in won and

555
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: Clarence set the other on top, then packed in loaves

556
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: of bread. A truck was ready to haul John and

557
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: the other boxes out to a prison farm camp when

558
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: a supervisor, apparently wondering why the helpers had struggled to

559
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: hoist that particular double box into the vehicle, grew suspicious.

560
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: He pulled out a few loaves and discovered John inside

561
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: with an iron barn and knife. Just hide in the bread.

562
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm like a ten year old. I'm out of here totally.

563
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: That's another thing that's like out of o brother. Anyway, John,

564
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: he gets sent to Alcatraz. Clarence shows up there a

565
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: few months later. They were signed to adjacent cells, which

566
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: does not seem like the wisest choice. I'd separate those two,

567
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: I guess, and what would wind up being another bad

568
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: choice as they were right by Frank Morris, our gifted criminal.

569
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: So you know, when I was in the gifted program,

570
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: it wasn't all math geniuses and science kids.

571
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: Future spies.

572
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: No, all of us were. Almost all of us were

573
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: like weird creatives writing and this is unassigned. Mind you.

574
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: Radio shows with vaudevillian musical numbers about leaking diapers, yes,

575
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: or one woman shows about Joan of arc orse gits

576
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: about the emotional toll of the moon landing. You can

577
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: guess which one was mine, and it was only one

578
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: of them anyway. So the brother's angling Alcatraz had been

579
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: super hardcore for a long time. Like I said, you know,

580
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: you got that guy in the box like controlling everything,

581
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: but like this is nearing the end of its bid,

582
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: you know. And so by this time a lot of

583
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: the stricter stuff had loosened up. Okay, So now after

584
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: dinner the men had like four hours of free time

585
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: in their cells before they had to go to bed.

586
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: So from five thirty to nine thirty after dinner they

587
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: could just chill out. Coolah. There was a utility core open.

588
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: Door cells that they can somebody.

589
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: No, I think they're closed up, I believe.

590
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: So.

591
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's this utility corridor that ran behind their

592
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: group of cells. The Anglands and Morris. Around December of

593
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: nineteen six, Morris decides, I've got to come up with

594
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: an escape plan, so he made a tool. He welded

595
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: the handle of a spoon with the file from his

596
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: nail clippers, and then he used that to slowly chip

597
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: away at the concrete around the bars of his cells

598
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: air vent. And like he figured, the wall was like

599
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: eight inches thick and the air vent was only six

600
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: inches by ten inches, so he couldn't squeeze through it.

601
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: But he's pretty sure that if he got it up

602
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: to like ten inches by fourteen, you know, he could

603
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: make it.

604
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

605
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: It so he got to work like he needed help

606
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: with the project, though this is not a one man effort.

607
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: He also needed people to warn him if the.

608
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: Guards were watch.

609
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he rolled up to his neighbors, the Anglans,

610
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: but also Alan West. West was born in Brooklyn and

611
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: he played the accordion and was in Alcatraz. And I

612
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: think that's all we need to know about him. It

613
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: tells the whole story as far as I'm concerned, Brooklyn, Accordion, Alcatraz.

614
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't know Adion.

615
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: Probably I don't know what he was in for, but

616
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: I love him. They had to figure unless it was

617
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: something horrific, and then I don't love him. They had

618
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: to figure out a way to hide their work, and

619
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 3: that's when like Morris went into gifted kid mode. So

620
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: he decided they could hide their work on the vents

621
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: using painted paper mache.

622
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: That was gonna be an accordian concert.

623
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: I'm like to just wait. So they began cutting ad

624
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: pages out of magazines, and like one of the Anglin brothers,

625
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: all of a sudden was like, I feel an artistic

626
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: urge coming on. I need art supplies. So he orders

627
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: tubes of paint from the purchasing officer. I think I'm

628
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: going to get into painting. Morris ordered himself an accordion

629
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: like his pal West, not for like a dueling accordion session,

630
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: but because he realized that the case would perfectly cover

631
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: the air vent well.

632
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: So he just puts it there and he's like, oh yeah.

633
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So the men they made these like thick

634
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: sheets of cardboard out of paper mache, painted it to

635
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: look like it had the vent over it. They also

636
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: started collecting the concrete that they chipped from the wall.

637
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: One of the Anglin brothers he worked in the brush shop,

638
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: and then he started collecting the bristles because it looked

639
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: like hair and then they used real human hair gathered

640
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: from the barber shop Zarin. They were channeling Willie Sutton.

641
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: They made dummies of themselves. Yeah. So by May of

642
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty two, the men had successfully removed the air vents.

643
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: Morris and Clarence, who had finished first, they start building

644
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: their dummy busts. And they made plaster from the chipped

645
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: concrete that they'd collected, and soap and like white glue

646
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: that they stole from the brush shop. Then they painted

647
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: the plaster to make it look more life like. They

648
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: added eyebrows, eyelashes, hair, John and Clarence, the brothers named

649
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: their dummy heads Oink and Oscar. Yeah. To test everything out,

650
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: Frank Morris and Clarence they put their dummy heads in

651
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: their bed and filled the rest of the quote body

652
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: with like pillow jacket.

653
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

654
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: Then they climbed into the corridor behind the vent. Morris

655
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: used a string tied to the handle of the accordion

656
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: case to pull it back and cover the hole. Really. Yeah,

657
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: So the two men they made their way up. They're

658
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: climbing this utility pole to the top of the cell block.

659
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: And when they were up there, they found this concealed

660
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: space that they could use as a storage area. As

661
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: their plan progressed, so they started collecting rain jackets so

662
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: that they could build life jackets and a raft out.

663
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: Oh smart.

664
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And according to the FBI quote, the seams carefully

665
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 3: stitched together and vulcanized by the hot steam pipes in

666
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 3: the prison. The idea came from magazines that were found

667
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: in the prisoner's cells.

668
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 2: So they're basically rubberizing the jackets. Yeah.

669
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Morris he built two oars out of some plywood

670
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: that he had like lifted from the shop. Then they

671
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: were like, okay, we've done all this, how do we

672
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 3: get into the roof? And you know, easy enough. There's

673
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: this rain cap on the shaft with cross bars. So

674
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: with a piece of pipe that they found in the corridor,

675
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: they were able to bend some of the bars, but

676
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: they couldn't remove the rivets. So Morris he stole a

677
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: fan from the music room, like hiding it in his

678
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: accordion case. He goes in with an empty accordion case.

679
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go practice. Just let me get

680
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: into a choir room.

681
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 2: Give me a quick mind.

682
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: She shoves a fan in there. He tried to build

683
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 3: a drill with the motor from the fan, but it

684
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: wasn't powered. Yeah, so, but he was able to get

685
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: some carborundum string from the machine shop because his friend

686
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: worked in there. It's what that is is it's a

687
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 3: quote a cord impregnated with an abrasive such as raw

688
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: greens of silicon carbide, aluminum oxide or diamond powder and

689
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: used for intricate repairs such as fine grooving on the

690
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: sewing machines in the glove and tailor.

691
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: Shops, basically like diamond floss.

692
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so that did the trick, and then they

693
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: use that in some banjo string, probably borrowed from al

694
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: Capone's dead body. Dorris and Clarence they were able to

695
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: get through the rivets, so they made fake rivets out

696
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: of soap and place those on the vent just in

697
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: case someone came by to inspect it. So this whole

698
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: process of THEIRS takes six months.

699
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: That's crazy, like shaping rivet heads and.

700
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: Out of soap and then painting it. So by this

701
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 3: time it's early June nineteen sixty two, the Anglan brothers,

702
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 3: they're ready to leave Morris. He he wants to spend

703
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: more time learning about Angel Island, which something about.

704
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: Sixty two San Francisco, like they're about to show up

705
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: in the craziest San Francisco.

706
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, Yeah, he wants to learn about Angel Island.

707
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: It's like a mile and a half away, and the

708
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: channel between it and Marin.

709
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

710
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: Going, He's like, we're not going into the city, We're

711
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: going to Marin.

712
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the Admiral's Club harbor there right by the

713
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 2: where the Golden Gate touches. On the other side, there's

714
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: like an inlet harbor you can you can shelter and

715
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: then you can totally get to before even knew you

716
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: were there. Yeah. So, and there's an in and out

717
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: burger right right right there.

718
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: So they agreed to leave in like ten days. Meanwhile,

719
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: the guards had been inspecting cells recently, and West he

720
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: gets nervous, not just because he plays the accordion, but

721
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: because his paper mache great was like a little wobbly.

722
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't that great. So he filled in most of

723
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: his hole with cement that he'd found left in the corridor,

724
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: because like there had been plumbers working in there recently,

725
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: so it's not even like, oh, no one ever goes

726
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: back there. And so then he stuck the paper machee.

727
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: On top of that, he didn't want to get.

728
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: Caught and the other guys.

729
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the whole thing would tank. So let's pause here.

730
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: It is West is a good dude, unless he wasn't

731
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: a good dude, and in which case he's not. We

732
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: don't like him. Yeah, when we get back, we're going

733
00:37:46,239 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 3: to catch up with this crafty crew, zaren. Yes, okay,

734
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: So we have Frank Morris, gifted Felon and the brother's Anglin,

735
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: John and Clarence and then Alan West Brooklyn Accordion man

736
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: on the spot. They're making a plan to escape, right,

737
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: and it's the artsiest, craftiest plan I've ever heard totally.

738
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: So remember they had everything in place and then they

739
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: decided that they'd put the plan in action in ten

740
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: days and a few nights after they made that decision,

741
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: on Monday, June eleventh, nineteen sixty two, the Anglins jumped

742
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: the gun. They announced that they wanted to leave that night.

743
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: So Morris, I don't know, Morris, he was both gifted

744
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: and bullied. Those go hand in hand. He had no

745
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: choice but to comply. He's like, all right, fine, fine,

746
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 3: we'll go now. As soon as the nine thirty bed

747
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: check was completed. The men they set up their dummy

748
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: heads and broke out of their cells for the last time.

749
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: Zaren closed your eyes. Oh yeah, I want you to

750
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 3: picture it. Yes, you are a jail bird, a convict.

751
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: You're in Alcatraz serving a ten year sentence for public indecency,

752
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: practicing both law and medicine without a license, perjury, and

753
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: a marijuana possession with intent to sell. It's the scale.

754
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: Is there in the scale? Did you in on that one?

755
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: No?

756
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: Anyway, you're nine years into your dime. The finish line

757
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: is within view. You just want to get out and

758
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: try to do things right this time. You've learned some

759
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: trades here, You've got a line on some work. You

760
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: just want to earn an honest book, find a nice girl,

761
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: and settle down and smoke a lot of weed. That's

762
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: all you want. It's Monday, June eleventh, nineteen sixty two,

763
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: nine to thirty pm. The guards have just finished their

764
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: bed checks. You're on your cot reading to Kill a

765
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: Mockingbird by the dimming light from a long summer night.

766
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: It came out a couple of years ago. People donate

767
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: books to the prison library, and you snag this one.

768
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: You've checked it out a number of times, and this

769
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: is your fifth read of it. You're almost done with it.

770
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: You're in good with the librarian, and he has a

771
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: book called Dharma Bums set aside for you. Sound good.

772
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 3: You can hear the footsteps of the guard tap down

773
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: along the long corridor, getting fainter and fainter until he's gone.

774
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: Then it's nothing but the sound of the light wind

775
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: and the waves. In the cell across from you is

776
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: a guy named Alan West. He and a dude called

777
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: Morris and the Anglan brothers are working on an escape plan.

778
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: You think it's stupid. I mean, they say you can't

779
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: survive an escape attempt here. Sure those fellas tried in

780
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: thirty seven, and you're pretty sure though they didn't make

781
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: it out of the water, same will go for this crew.

782
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 3: In your mind, plus, you are so close to getting

783
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: out it would be foolish to risk it all right now,

784
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: So instead you flip the page on your paperback and

785
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: continue your reading. But they're starting to make a little racket.

786
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: You get up and you look over at their row

787
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: of cells. Each of them are taking down their little

788
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: art projects, revealing the holes where they've been scraping. You

789
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 3: can't believe the guards haven't caught on, But you're no snitch.

790
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: More power to the these goofs if they can pull

791
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: it off. You see that Wes is having trouble getting

792
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: through his cement. He was worried the hole would be

793
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: discovered and shoved a bunch of stuff in there. But

794
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: the air here is wet and the dry bits in

795
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: there have hardened into a tough clump. He pulls and

796
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 3: scratches at the cement as you look over and see

797
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: the feet of Morris and the Anglans disappear into the

798
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: holes in the walls of their cells. West is frantic,

799
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: but then he realizes it's too late. He won't make it.

800
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: You see Morris's face pop back out through the wall.

801
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: He whispers to West, asking him what's the hold up.

802
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: West whispers back that he can't get through go on

803
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: without him. Without a word, Morris disappears back into the wall.

804
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: Wes sits down and sighs. He pushes his accordion with

805
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: his foot and lets out a discordant wine. Then it's

806
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: just the sound of the wind and the water. An

807
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: occasional cough. You flip the page of your book you

808
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: look down at the page and whisper aloud to West

809
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 3: the line of text in front of you are always

810
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: better in the morning. West looks up at you. You

811
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: nodded him in the darkness. Close your book and rest

812
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 3: your head on your pillow. Things are always better in

813
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: the morning. So Morris and the brothers Anglin they bust

814
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: through the rain cap on the roof. They had their

815
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: makeshift life vest and raft with them they'd stored in

816
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: a little space. They found they had one of the oars,

817
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: but they forgot to grab the other one. H Morris

818
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: and the Anglin brothers they shimmeyed down a fifty foot

819
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: pipe to the ground. They climbed a barb wire fence,

820
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 3: and once down by the water, they placed some boards

821
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: that they took from like leftover pallets in the life

822
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: jacket raft to help stiffen it.

823
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: Ah, there you go a frame.

824
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: So how in the world were they going to inflate this? Things?

825
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: Erin Oh, I didn't even think of them inflating at us.

826
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: I was imagining, like they have made the raincoats really

827
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: hard and rubberized, and they're just going to put wood

828
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: in and it's going to like kind of just deplay displace.

829
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: Those seams, right, And so luckily Morris had taken up

830
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: the accordion and he packed that down with them too,

831
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: and he used that to inflate.

832
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: The rats, of course, brilliant.

833
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: So the tide it was only moving at two point

834
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: five miles an hour, which is better than the eight

835
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: something of the nineteen thirty seven escape. So the water, though,

836
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: is like between fifty and fifty four degrees. That's pretty

837
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: standard for the bay. It'd be colder if it was

838
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: in the winter.

839
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: I'm just about to say that's actually not bad.

840
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and June isn't true summer here. You know, you

841
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: have to wait till like September October. Anyway, here's a

842
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: development for you. West finally made it out of his cell.

843
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 3: He didn't give up, so maybe you read him another

844
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: quote from To Kill a Mockingbird. Real courage is when

845
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin

846
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: anyway and see it through no matter what.

847
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: That's damn right.

848
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: So there's West up on the roof. He's liberated, but

849
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: his pals are nowhere to be seen because they'd been

850
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: out there around like ten o'clock or so. And now

851
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 3: it's midnight.

852
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, he missed it.

853
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: According to west Quote, their plan had been to use

854
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: their raft to make their way to Angel Island. After resting,

855
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: they would then re enter the bay on the opposite

856
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: side of the island and swim through a waterway called

857
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 3: Raccoon Straits. Then on into Marin they would steal car,

858
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: burglarize a clothing store, and then venture out in their

859
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: own separate directions.

860
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: Not bad, you're right.

861
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: Plan. There were reports of a car being stolen in

862
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: Marin County by three men the night of the escape,

863
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: and then later that same car was found run off

864
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: the road in the Central Valley. But the FBI, the

865
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: US Marshals, they looked into it and it didn't go anywhere.

866
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: It was that next morning, Tuesday morning, June twelfth, at

867
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: the seven to fifteen am bedcheck, that the guards discovered

868
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: the escape. So this huge search on Alcatraz Island, Angel Island,

869
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: all throughout the bay night, they had the whole night,

870
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: You're right, like just ahead of them, and they're going

871
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: like all over all the counties surrounding the bay. So

872
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: on Wednesday and or like, the one they'd left behind

873
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 3: was found two hundred yards off Alcatraz, and then on Thursday,

874
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: a debris boat in the bay like searching for the debris,

875
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: they found a small plastic bag made out of raincoats

876
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: and inside and dry. It was like sixty photographs, a

877
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: list of names and addresses, and a receipt for a

878
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: ten dollars money order made out to Clarence Anglin and

879
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: cashed by the Alcatraz mail clerk. So it wasn't immediately

880
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: made public at the time, but there was a report

881
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 3: that a raft and a paddle were recovered on Angel

882
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: Island and there were footsteps leading away from him. So

883
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: a few days after the escape, a reporter called the

884
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: director of the Bureau of Prisons to check on progress,

885
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: and the director told the reporter this, and somehow the

886
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: Bureau of Prisons believed that this was proof that they

887
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: had drowned. I would say it was the exact oppositely.

888
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: I know, I'm a simple country Lawyer's there, I'm with you,

889
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 3: what do I know? So June eighteenth, it's like a

890
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: week out. The reporter filed an article with the information

891
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: about the paddle and the footsteps, and then the FBI

892
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: wrote quote a release such as appeared in the San

893
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: Francisco Chronicle on June eighteenth, nineteen sixty two, makes it

894
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 3: more difficult to conduct the investigation, since if in fact

895
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: these prisoners successfully reached the mainland, they obviously would not

896
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: contact the persons whose names were known to be in

897
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: possession of investigative authorities.

898
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, thanks, it's true, basically, yeah.

899
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Friday, June fifteenth, according to the FBI report,

900
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: a quote May West life jacket may West. Yeah, identified

901
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: it as identical to those made by the escapees washed

902
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: up on Cronkite Beach in Marine County. You have you

903
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: heard that term a may West test? I hadn't either,

904
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: so I looked it up on the Navy's Naval History

905
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: and Heritage Command National Naval Aviation Museum website, and they

906
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: had a picture of one with a description quote, this

907
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: mark one life vest popularly known as a may West

908
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: because when inflated, it gave the wearer a book some appearance.

909
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: That's what I was imagining, Yeah, belonged.

910
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: To Marine aviator Elden E. Ballard. He expressed pride in

911
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 3: his service as a flying leatherneck, using his life vest

912
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: as a canvas for drawing The SBD Dauntless dive bomber

913
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 3: he flew, and the ubiquitous symbol of the Marine Corps

914
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: a bulldog wearing a pilot's helmet. So it's one of

915
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: those life vests with like a hole for your head,

916
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: ties around the front. You blow it up, gives you

917
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: gives you boobies later. And this particular one on the

918
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: website had drawings on it like tattoo flash looking you

919
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: know what else was on this website?

920
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: What else, Elizabeth?

921
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: A red banner across the top of the page reads quote.

922
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: Content on this website has been revised or removed to

923
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: align with the President's executive orders and DoD priorities in

924
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: accordance with DoD Instruction fifty four zero zero dot seventeen

925
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: Official Use of Social Media for public affairs purposes.

926
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 2: Because a woman, it's what's the reason.

927
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: I know we're being escapist here in more senses than one,

928
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: but I cannot act like this is normal. No, I'm sorry,

929
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: this is not normal to have this banner at the top.

930
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: We're just taking stuff out out of a whim to

931
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: quote the swing another song, tell them told you so.

932
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: This is not how it's supposed to go. It's in

933
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: my head a lot these days. Anyway, back to the

934
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: life fest, I can't escape anything, just like you can't

935
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: escape Alcatraz. I try and do escapist research and then

936
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: it's right there.

937
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: It comes right back at you life fest.

938
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: So it's fully intact. But there was like a small

939
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: tear at the scene. So that's when they're like, oh,

940
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: did they not make it? But I think if it's

941
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: tied around you, yeah, you know, even they.

942
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: Can use a pair of genes as a life fest.

943
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: You have to tie them the legs and you capture

944
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: air and you put it underwater. And that's right, So

945
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: it's possible. It is. And these guys as inventive as they.

946
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 3: Are, and they had like they had gone full on

947
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: to make this life as There was the tube that

948
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 3: you used to blow and and plate it and there's

949
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: like a paper clip they would hold it. That was saying, yeah,

950
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: and crafts is amazing. Oh they're incredible. The tube had

951
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: heavy teeth marks on it trying to hold it. And

952
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: June eighteenth, the warden at Alcatraz got a postcard postmark

953
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: June sixteenth with the message ha ha we made it,

954
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 3: signed Frank John Clarence.

955
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm taking that as evidence.

956
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, they sent it to the FBI

957
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: for handwriting analysis. It was inconclusive, but amazing if true.

958
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: I also, I mean, it seems like it'd be before

959
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: anyone else knew they had escaped if it was postmarked sixteenth,

960
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: since weren't most of the stories coming out after that.

961
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love taunting correspondence from criminals. Yes, like,

962
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: I'm looking at you, Zodiac killer stuff my thought, I

963
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: am so, of course, there were so many suspected sightings.

964
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: June fourteenth, someone reported seeing three suspicious men with quote

965
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: phony accents in San Rafell, just on the other side

966
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: of Angel Island from Alcatraz. The FBI later determined they

967
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: were simply quote foreign exchange students from the University of

968
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: Washington and were not the escapees.

969
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking they came from Alden.

970
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: About a month after the escape, a body dressed in

971
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: blue clothing similar to the Alcatraz prison uniform, was found

972
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 3: up the coast from San Francisco, but it was too

973
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: badly decomposed to be identified. But this didn't mean the end.

974
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: One of the Angland's sisters later told the press that

975
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: she was positive that both of her brothers had attended

976
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 3: their mother's funeral in nineteen seventy eight, dressed as women. Yes,

977
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: I love that. And she also had another incarcerated. She

978
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: had another brother who was locked up. He said he

979
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: got a letter from Clarence and John when he was

980
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: in jail after the escape, which is like, how many

981
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: Anglin brothers are there? And are they all in jail?

982
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: Yes, totally.

983
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: The escape made it to the silver screen. Of course,

984
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: you know you're too late on this one. It was

985
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: the story behind the nineteen seventy nine movie Escape from

986
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 3: Alcatraz during Clint Eastwood. Yeah, Springklin and the FBI closed

987
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 3: the case in nineteen seventy nine, it said, quote, for

988
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: the seventeen years we worked on the case, no credible

989
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 3: evidence emerged to suggest the men were still alive, either

990
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: in the US or overseas. The three men are officially

991
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: listed as missing and presumed drowned.

992
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say I think they made it in. Yeah,

993
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: good job, gentlemen.

994
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: The US Marshals, they took it over. They're like, oh,

995
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 3: you're two too weak to keep going.

996
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: For cowboys, we never give up.

997
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 3: Twenty eleven, Supervising Deputy Mike Dyke of the US Marshall

998
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: Service told CBS News that he thought that the men

999
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 3: may have survived. Quote, I think probably the brothers lived.

1000
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: There's no body recovered. I can't close the case. Yeah,

1001
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: good guys, don't have it in me. However, in twenty

1002
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: twenty two, he told the press that quote, after working

1003
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: the case for seventeen years, it's my opinion that they

1004
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: very likely did not survive the first night of their escape.

1005
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: Why did anyone come to that conclusion?

1006
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: Because has been recovered. You can never say that one

1007
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 3: hundred percent, but based on all the evidence, more than

1008
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: likely all three of them died that night and were

1009
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: swept out into the ocean.

1010
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: I don't see it the first time, yes, second time.

1011
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 3: In twenty thirteen, San Francisco police they got a letter

1012
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: from a guy claiming to be John Anglin. Yes. The

1013
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: letter stated, quote, yes we all made it out that night,

1014
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: but barely. He said he had cancer and quote, if

1015
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: you announce on TV that I will be promised to

1016
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: go first to jail for no more than a year

1017
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: and get medical attention, I'll write back to let you

1018
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 3: know exactly where I am. This is no joke. He

1019
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: wants to go to jail for medical health care.

1020
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: So America.

1021
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: Another deep breath, everyone, just deep breath. The writer of

1022
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: the letter said that he spent a ton of years

1023
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: after the escape living in Seattle, and that he also

1024
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: lived in North Dakota for eight years and then currently

1025
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: is in southern California. The guy who wrote the letter

1026
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: said that Morris had died in two thousand and eight

1027
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 3: and his brother Clarence had died in twenty eleven. FBI

1028
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: analysts they take the letter, they look at fingerprints. DNA

1029
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: results inconclusive twenty fifteen. So apparently they didn't tell it

1030
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 3: on TV and he didn't get to go back.

1031
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: And also do they have his fingerprints? I mean, do

1032
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: they have big handwriting samples enough they can do it before?

1033
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1034
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: With the postcards, it's like, what do we think we're

1035
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: going to find FBI?

1036
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: I don't know. Twenty fifteen, new evidence that the men

1037
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: were possibly alive emerged. Yes, the Anglan's nephews said that

1038
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: their family had gotten handwritten Christmas cards and photos and

1039
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 3: that the brothers were possibly living in Brazil. And there's

1040
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: a photo that allegedly shows them in Brazil in nineteen

1041
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 3: seventy five. Oh and so the family they hired an analyst,

1042
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: and the analysts confirmed using AI facial recognition that yeah,

1043
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: that's them in the pictures. The FBI was like, no,

1044
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: it's inconclusive.

1045
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: Nothing's conclusive for the help. Yeah, it's just bodies. You

1046
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: got a body, call me when you got a body.

1047
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, the US Marshals they released updated

1048
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: renderings of what the guys might look like if there's

1049
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: still a live Updated renders always nineties in their ninety

1050
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: the hell Okay, so.

1051
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: Did you see it? Did it seem like you like

1052
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: men like that? No?

1053
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous takeaway?

1054
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: I don't ever want to go to prison, but I

1055
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: would love to try to escape. Okay you know what

1056
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, if I was there, that's all i'd

1057
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: be value. So I'm taking notes anytime we do a

1058
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: prison escape story. Anytime you're you're telling me, I'm like, oh, okay,

1059
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 2: that seems like that's a good Noteka, I remember that. Okay,

1060
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: gotta get the diamond flass. I'm like, all about you.

1061
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: Got to practice your like sculpture skills, Oh yeah.

1062
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: Rafts Hea, Yeah, what about you, Elizabeth?

1063
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 3: I I think that people get that challenge of you

1064
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: can't escape this place. And you know, I also all

1065
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: of the people, all the guys in this had done

1066
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: had tried to escape other facilities. So there are people

1067
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: like you where it's just they cannot be penned in

1068
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: and others you know, right right, And I think that's

1069
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 3: really interesting, like the mindset of it. And I think

1070
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: it also goes to not saying that like you don't

1071
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: have impulse control, because you very much do, but.

1072
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't have the ability to have my life dominated

1073
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah that's yeah problem.

1074
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 3: And so these guys they have poor ink pulse control,

1075
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 3: they don't like their life dominated. They also can't see

1076
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: down the road. So a lot of times you're just

1077
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: like you can plan these things to a t, but

1078
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 3: then what how how do you go after that?

1079
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: Totally? And like also how do you live in America

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Speaker 2: as a convict? I mean damn? And everybody wants to

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Speaker 2: a like a reward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, And you're a criminal and you're probably just

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Speaker 3: going to get keep criming and so your risk of

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Speaker 2: And you're and you're always just a life changing amount

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Speaker 2: of money to somebody.

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Speaker 3: With all that said, Dave, may I have a talk

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Speaker 3: back please?

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Speaker 2: By the way, that was really fun.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, O.

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Speaker 2: God. I let cheat.

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Speaker 4: Hi Aaron producer d This one's mostly for Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: This is Grace.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to let you know that last night

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Speaker 3: Look, Grace, I am so excited you have joined us.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic, it really is. You've got me watching.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I'm so happy that you're part of

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Speaker 3: for today. You can find us online at ridiculous crime

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Speaker 2: It's awesome and finn Yeah maybe some spots so good.

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Speaker 3: Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett, produced

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