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Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of The Break. Derek is
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Speaker 1: We're just not meant to have our actual cast a
Speaker 1: long time. It's being a really long time, at least
Speaker 1: seven weeks. That's hey, So I mean we're making do
Speaker 1: We're all right, we still keep the show going and
Speaker 1: make it happen. He's one constant to the whole thing. Well,
Speaker 1: another thing, it's been a while since we've answered some
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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, let's start Um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: let's let's check back in later for that. Let's see
Speaker 1: how the show goes. We'll see, we'll see um. But
Speaker 1: yesterday Randy Gregory started going around Twitter and trending around
Speaker 1: Twitter and something that's happening there where we don't necessarily
Speaker 1: have all the facts just yet and what's exactly going
Speaker 1: on there. But the reports from yesterday was that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had offered an extension to Randy Gregory's contract for
Speaker 1: I believe another year. Right and as of right now,
Speaker 1: where does this whole thing stands? It's true? What's going
Speaker 1: on here? Well, it's definitely true. They agreed on the deal,
Speaker 1: they send it into the league, the league is now
Speaker 1: reviewing it, and usually it's just accepted. It's not a
Speaker 1: big issue. But I think that there are some some
Speaker 1: things about this um extension that the NFL fell obviously
Speaker 1: has questions about the timing of it. UM and you
Speaker 1: know who it benefits, I guess obviously it's a different
Speaker 1: situation for a guy that's been uh in you know,
Speaker 1: going in and out of them. He's had some some
Speaker 1: rehab situations, he's been suspended multiple times. He's actually suspended
Speaker 1: right now with no definition of like how many days
Speaker 1: or anything just yet. There's not a time limit on
Speaker 1: the suspension. So I think that you know, there's you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this just before we went on with
Speaker 1: there's a precedent here that the Cowboys have done this
Speaker 1: before and it definitely benefits them. Um, you know, Randy
Speaker 1: needs he needs money. I think that's what it comes
Speaker 1: down to. They're trying to help him. That's the overall
Speaker 1: thing here is that they are trying to help this guy.
Speaker 1: He's going through different centers in and out of him.
Speaker 1: He has to pay all this on his own. And
Speaker 1: what this says is basically, you're buying next year's restricted
Speaker 1: year and you're giving him a signing bonus right now.
Speaker 1: You're putting three hundred thousand or so dollars in his
Speaker 1: pocket now. And what that does is it you know,
Speaker 1: it prevents Randy from, say, getting a big year this year,
Speaker 1: Say he does play gets a big year, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would be forced to give him a probably of one year, right.
Speaker 1: It keeps him from being up for renewal as soon
Speaker 1: as he comes back. Basically they'd done this. I can
Speaker 1: think of Lance Dunbar, Phil Costa, Jeremy Parnell again, not
Speaker 1: the same type of players Randy Gregory. It's a very
Speaker 1: normal thing to do to a restricted free agent who
Speaker 1: you're anticipating using. Yeah, except usually without all the suspensions
Speaker 1: and the right that I'll be perfect. Like I hate
Speaker 1: talking about Randy Gregory and that's like nothing against Randy
Speaker 1: at all. I like Randy Gregory as a person, not
Speaker 1: but his whole career has been kind of like this,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's convoluted and there's conversations going on between
Speaker 1: the league and the Cowboys. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: talk about his suspensions, you know, his visits last year
Speaker 1: where he had to go to Chicago as part of
Speaker 1: his treatment. It's it's always it's always hard to get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of it with Randy. And that's not
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I'm not not blaming him
Speaker 1: for that, but it's always tricky with it. We don't
Speaker 1: talk about the you know, government in Germany because we
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on exactly. I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't say I don't know. I like the analogy
Speaker 1: because like anytime Randy Gregory's in the news, I'm like
Speaker 1: looking through the CBA like okay, what I like going,
Speaker 1: what is what is this? All? Right? So I had
Speaker 1: to be real vague with you, guys, because I could
Speaker 1: have said in any other country and you guys would
Speaker 1: have been like, well, yeah, I was there last week
Speaker 1: and Angela Merkel, what's up. I know that I got
Speaker 1: that going for me. All right, Well, let's try to
Speaker 1: put a little bit bit more sense. So based on
Speaker 1: what you said, what do you explained this is actually
Speaker 1: a good thing or like a smart thing that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are doing here, Because there are a lot of
Speaker 1: confused fans as to why the Cowboys would do something
Speaker 1: like this to a guy that has not been trustworthy
Speaker 1: or reliable. Let's say it's better, yeah, reliable, reliable on
Speaker 1: the field, you know, just just his availability hasn't been reliable,
Speaker 1: and but the Cowboys still want to give him every
Speaker 1: opportunity to succeed. They want to help him. Um, and
Speaker 1: this would be one of those win win situations. It's
Speaker 1: like listen, it's it's like i'll help you, we'll help
Speaker 1: you here. Well, we'll give you this extension. This will
Speaker 1: put some money in your pocket right now. Um, it
Speaker 1: doesn't it also protects us and we don't we won't
Speaker 1: pay you a lot next year. Um, if you have
Speaker 1: this great season, but we're helping you. We're betting on
Speaker 1: you right now. Um. Actually, you know you can throw
Speaker 1: Buried Church in there for as an assigned him do
Speaker 1: an extension while he was coming off a torn achilles.
Speaker 1: That's right, I'm betting on you. They got him at
Speaker 1: a pretty great discount considering you know. Yeah, he turned
Speaker 1: into their starter for however many years. So it's I
Speaker 1: think it's so where we stand on it is that
Speaker 1: the league is reviewing it right now. I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to try to fight this thing and
Speaker 1: try to they're trying to help him. The league, they don't.
Speaker 1: This is new for them too, you know kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean, just just a guy that's been through this
Speaker 1: many situations, so they have to figure out what a
Speaker 1: suspension is. They said, He's right. People people keep asking
Speaker 1: me and again, like, you know, I hate talking about
Speaker 1: it because I can't give you a great answer. Like
Speaker 1: it's clear, you know, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, like everybody
Speaker 1: from the top down has expressed at least some level
Speaker 1: of hope or confidence that maybe Randy Gregory's not done
Speaker 1: for twenty nineteen. What that means, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: chalk it up to you know, every report we've heard
Speaker 1: is is how hard he's been working to get back.
Speaker 1: They've gone out of their way to compliment him. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not really allowed to have contact with him, but
Speaker 1: they are capable of checking in on him. So every
Speaker 1: report has been favorable from what I've heard. And then
Speaker 1: on top of that, it's very obvious and if you
Speaker 1: remember last summer when he was first coming back, there
Speaker 1: were reports about this. The NFL is at least considering
Speaker 1: changing its stance on how these things work. And I
Speaker 1: do think there's a lot of credence to the thought
Speaker 1: that the worst thing you can do for a guy
Speaker 1: that needs structure and help to overcome these types of
Speaker 1: things is to send him away to be by himself.
Speaker 1: And I think that thought is at least gaining traction
Speaker 1: in the league office. What that means going forward, who knows.
Speaker 1: The thing that's really interesting about Gregory is that his
Speaker 1: whole life seems to be from from what we know it,
Speaker 1: everything about the aspects of his life is kind of
Speaker 1: either a contradiction or it's not what you think. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: he's available, he's doing great, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now he's not. He's you know, there's just this whole
Speaker 1: status with the league is up and down. Watch him
Speaker 1: as a player. Guy comes off the edge, makes a
Speaker 1: great play. Oh he's turning the corner. He's got another sack,
Speaker 1: he forced to fumble, penalty fifteen yards penalty, stupid face
Speaker 1: mask penalty or hitting the quarterback lane or rinding up
Speaker 1: off sides and all that stuff. Then you talk to
Speaker 1: him and like this guy keeps making mistakes, Like is
Speaker 1: he really a smart guy? Have you ever had a
Speaker 1: conversation with this a really smart He's a really smart guy.
Speaker 1: Everything about him in his life on and off the
Speaker 1: field is not exactly what you're thinking. As soon as
Speaker 1: you think it's one way, it goes another. So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's weird. That's that's people though, you know, like
Speaker 1: how many everybody's got like a cousin or a brother.
Speaker 1: That's like he I thought he had a girlfriend. Didn't
Speaker 1: he just get a new job and he got fired again.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought this was it. I thought he
Speaker 1: was yeah. I thought I thought they were gonna get married.
Speaker 1: Now you tall crap, Like back at square one with
Speaker 1: this guy, Like everybody knows somebody like that. They're just
Speaker 1: in Yeah, that's a good one. You're usually they're usually
Speaker 1: not great at sacking the quarterback, like they're usually not
Speaker 1: superstar athletes. But Randy Gregory is so all right. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll keep waiting to see if we find some things
Speaker 1: Dolly in the meantime. Yeah, And what's weird is that
Speaker 1: there's a that's just one of many situations with the
Speaker 1: defensive end position. I mean that, you know, you would
Speaker 1: think they signed a guy Robert Quinn for a one
Speaker 1: year deal. We don't need to go into we could
Speaker 1: have this. Derek's not Derek's not here to call DeMarcus
Speaker 1: a bad player to so we don't have to fight
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, Derek's gonna hear this hot wind of
Speaker 1: that you probably saw. I watched the show after seeing
Speaker 1: all the what did you think about that? I was
Speaker 1: with you guys, Yeah, you were. I would have loved
Speaker 1: to be in here while that was happening with Brian
Speaker 1: in here and Derek in here. Brian was just like
Speaker 1: making no sense. Brian was that cook that's making like chili.
Speaker 1: You know, he just band like Brian like if he
Speaker 1: thinks it'll make if you like him. Sigh. Derek's gonna
Speaker 1: listen to this in three hours and like, come to
Speaker 1: my desk and be like, I did not say he's
Speaker 1: a bad player. He might just say Quinn's just as
Speaker 1: good as he is. Was that the same kind of
Speaker 1: level of intensity he had with the hot dog or
Speaker 1: a hamburger? Yeah, oh my god, we don't need to
Speaker 1: do that. But yes, he was animated. He Derek likes
Speaker 1: to argue, like he really really likes to argue. So well,
Speaker 1: just transition into something else. Okay, Um, obviously free agency technically,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not really over. There are still free
Speaker 1: agents player acquisition exactly, so, but we started to transition
Speaker 1: into the draft and more draft stuff. The thirty visits started,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to get a little bit into that
Speaker 1: and some of the guys that the Cowboys have brought
Speaker 1: in here, any name that seems attractive to you. Obviously
Speaker 1: this is on the second day of the draft, so
Speaker 1: the names are not as flashy. But with that being said,
Speaker 1: are there some of those guys that kind of cut
Speaker 1: your eye? I had an hour and a half. Um,
Speaker 1: we all had a mandatory Dave hour and a half
Speaker 1: training session on safety here and which was ironic because
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a lot of safeties. They sure do, waiting
Speaker 1: for kids like I'll be you know the draft drum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty bad. Anyways, what's I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: my twelve things here? Yeah? Literally, no, okay, you're good. No,
Speaker 1: it was it was a really bad joke, and I
Speaker 1: was it wasn't It wasn't great. All right, give me
Speaker 1: a name, give me an and why Jonathan Abram is
Speaker 1: right here on the cover. I know you're hungry. Can't
Speaker 1: just hold on shows over at twelve. Yeah, we look really,
Speaker 1: we look pretty smart with the guy we put front
Speaker 1: and center on this magazine this year. Yeah, Jonathan Jonathan
Speaker 1: Abram is a I actually have seen him play a
Speaker 1: game one game this year and he was wrecking the
Speaker 1: whole first quarter and I was like, man, that's a
Speaker 1: guy that Cowboys need. And then you guys been all
Speaker 1: over the draft show and you watch every player from
Speaker 1: here to sagonall Valley State, and so Jonathan Abrams, a
Speaker 1: guy you like, stands out. You don't think you'll be
Speaker 1: there fifty eight? Yeah? Well so, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to read off the whole list on
Speaker 1: the show. You can go plenty of places to find
Speaker 1: it if you want to look. But they are clearly
Speaker 1: focusing on safety. I think they've got as many as
Speaker 1: like six guys coming in defensive line is a spot,
Speaker 1: and like that's so you get thirty you can bring
Speaker 1: thirty guys in from around the country to meet your
Speaker 1: coaching staff, you know, work on the whiteboard, meet everybody
Speaker 1: two or the facility, stay in the hotel across the
Speaker 1: street for the night. So six safeties, I think six
Speaker 1: or seven defensive linemen. Like that's and and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: haven't really hid that, like that's been their focus. They've
Speaker 1: sent it. That's kind of what we're looking at. If
Speaker 1: you look at what they've done in free agency, that
Speaker 1: makes the most sense. You know, what's what's the status
Speaker 1: of Demark Lawrence, what's the status or Randy Gregory. None
Speaker 1: of these defensive tackles really are here for the long term.
Speaker 1: And then the same thing with your safeties. You know,
Speaker 1: Jeff Heats coming up in a contract year, George Ilokas
Speaker 1: on a one year deal, and you would like to
Speaker 1: potentially improve the talent level. So those are those are
Speaker 1: two spots that I think are really intriguing. M Abrams here.
Speaker 1: Taylor Rapp from Washington is also here. I would be
Speaker 1: pretty surprised if either of those fell all the way
Speaker 1: to number fifty eight. That's that's the trick thing about
Speaker 1: on one Thornhill. He's another guy that's a little more realistic.
Speaker 1: I think Chauncey Gardner Johnson is he now I'm I'm
Speaker 1: doubt he's a visit he is. He's a vis um
Speaker 1: another guy that I think could be there. The tricky
Speaker 1: thing is obviously you're you're picking six spots away from
Speaker 1: the start of the third round, so it's not even
Speaker 1: like you're at the top of the second So Brian
Speaker 1: a favorite. Brian brought us catchphrases they're just at the
Speaker 1: mercy of the board, like you just you just gotta
Speaker 1: seem just gonna have to see who's there. Um, my
Speaker 1: favorite player in this whole draft, Deebo Samuel was here.
Speaker 1: That's really exciting. I honestly think that, you know, what
Speaker 1: what they've done in free agency is really good. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what you're supposed to do in free agency're
Speaker 1: supposed to cover your basis, and I think they've done
Speaker 1: even better than that of adding some players in that
Speaker 1: are that are that can start for you. You don't
Speaker 1: have to draft a safety. You don't have to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually no, I'm I'm completely with you. I did
Speaker 1: this chart yesterday. It's penned on my Twitter profile. I
Speaker 1: just went down, you know, the eleven positions on a team.
Speaker 1: You know, is this is this a Cowboys draft need?
Speaker 1: Why or why not? And like, you can make a
Speaker 1: convincing argument why every position is not. Any column coming
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com could be yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I've written about it on the
Speaker 1: website before, but yeah, I mean probably tweeted about it before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do that too. You know, there's many ways to
Speaker 1: put out content these but so is it a need
Speaker 1: or not? You can make a convincing argument why every
Speaker 1: position is not a need. Safety. You're bringing in I Loco,
Speaker 1: who's a six year starter. Spare me your heath hate,
Speaker 1: but he's still there. So you've got three experienced starters
Speaker 1: at safety defensive tackle. As much as you would like
Speaker 1: to upgrade the depth there, you've got four experienced starters.
Speaker 1: You've got Kerrie Hyder and Christian Covington to back up
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods and Malik Collins defensive end. And that's and
Speaker 1: that's not to say that Tyrone Crawford might right and
Speaker 1: Tyrone well, and you know we've said it a million times,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do it, but Taco could probably do it.
Speaker 1: Two in a pinch, and signing Quinn gives you four
Speaker 1: guys and you don't feel great about it if de
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence isn't there. But you've got four guys and
Speaker 1: hopefully five, maybe six if Randy comes back. Tight end you,
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, there's so many tight
Speaker 1: ends in this class that I'd love to have on
Speaker 1: this team. But are they how much playing time are
Speaker 1: they going to get behind the three guys you have here,
Speaker 1: especially Jason Witten? I mean, how much is he really
Speaker 1: coming off the field? So the receiver you brought in
Speaker 1: cop to go with all the guys you already have here, Like,
Speaker 1: I think they've done a very very good job of
Speaker 1: covering themselves. I think the one position that I just
Speaker 1: think that you have to draft is running back. You're right,
Speaker 1: That is you're right. That is the one spot where
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, they need to and and and it's
Speaker 1: good they are. Yeah, I think there's three backs on
Speaker 1: the list. Yeah, I mean, which you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: to think, like their biggest need is a spot that
Speaker 1: I would bet twenty bucks they're not to address until
Speaker 1: the third day. Yeah, like they're not going after a
Speaker 1: running back involves a position that has best player. And
Speaker 1: the other thing I think we brought this up last
Speaker 1: week is Jerry Jones said this at the owners meetings.
Speaker 1: If they don't get a guy they love in the draft,
Speaker 1: or maybe even if they do, there's still several good
Speaker 1: free agents out there, Like it just goes to show,
Speaker 1: you know, we thought running back was making all this progress,
Speaker 1: and it's like Todd Gurley got hurt and now everybody's
Speaker 1: afraid of him again. T J. Yelden's still out there.
Speaker 1: It's h c J. Anderson just signs like it just happened.
Speaker 1: So there's a couple more veterans that are still out
Speaker 1: there as well. So I'm very confident they're gonna want
Speaker 1: to trade for one or I don't know if we
Speaker 1: can talk about that depends on the pro well. I mean,
Speaker 1: well that's always the fun gray area. I know. You know,
Speaker 1: the rumor coming out of Cleveland is that the Browns
Speaker 1: want to deal Duke Johnson. He would very much, he would,
Speaker 1: oh he would be a lot of fun to have
Speaker 1: as a backup here. He can catch the ball, he
Speaker 1: runs routes, He's obviously a capable runner. I wonder about
Speaker 1: the cost, though, because you're trading for him. I'm one.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you could do it for a twenty
Speaker 1: twenty pick, but even then, he's got three years left
Speaker 1: on a you know, I think average of five million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. You pay him two million this year,
Speaker 1: and then it escalates like three next year, three and
Speaker 1: a half the year after that, which not a huge salary,
Speaker 1: but when you consider that a guy you draft would
Speaker 1: be paying, you'd be paying him six hundred thousand. I
Speaker 1: think I'd rather just dract. Think. I think we're at
Speaker 1: this point. You said about the free agency being over.
Speaker 1: It's never over, but but it gets to a point,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know if it was this early before
Speaker 1: the draft, but it gets to a point where you're like, all, hey,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do anything else because we want to
Speaker 1: wait and see what we get out of this, right,
Speaker 1: and then then it'll pick back up. I bet, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll probably sign a couple more guys, but it'll be
Speaker 1: when the draft's over, because yeah, I mean the visitors
Speaker 1: are here, you know, you still got to do Dallas Day,
Speaker 1: which is when you bring in all the local kids
Speaker 1: that should be coming up soon. This guy's just staring
Speaker 1: at me. Here, this Elijah holy Field. You like him?
Speaker 1: I do? And maybe I'm just enamored if his name
Speaker 1: was Elijah Jones and his dad just was well, but
Speaker 1: his dad get that weight champion boxer of the world played.
Speaker 1: He played for Georgia. They've been one of the best
Speaker 1: programs in college football the last two or three years.
Speaker 1: He kind of runs like Zeke like he now this
Speaker 1: four seven eight for his forty time is obviously not great,
Speaker 1: lower like four eight four nine. I'm just saying, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't want to running forty yards. I
Speaker 1: want to run in like six yards. But I think
Speaker 1: I think a guy like that in the mid rounds
Speaker 1: would be good. It may not be him, It'll be
Speaker 1: somebody with with a little bit more. I say that,
Speaker 1: I mean, who cared? Like how often do you see
Speaker 1: NFL running backs run forty yards at a time? Like
Speaker 1: what's the ten yards split? Like? Can he get through
Speaker 1: the hole? Can he hit can he hit the split
Speaker 1: in like one point five? Are you going to carry
Speaker 1: a couple of guys with him. Yeah, again, we saw
Speaker 1: one of the are you talking about from a physique standpoint?
Speaker 1: We saw one of the best they've ever had in
Speaker 1: the seventh round pick last year and he's not in
Speaker 1: the league both Scarborough, Oh yeah, you're right, so which
Speaker 1: that was sad. But his dad's not heavyweight boxer. That's
Speaker 1: I really I look at the fourth round as the
Speaker 1: sweet spot because you know, you draft, you go any later.
Speaker 1: You're talking about bo Scarborough, you're talking about Darius Jackson,
Speaker 1: which you know, big fan of Darius Jackson, but he's
Speaker 1: had six carries in the NFL in three years. But
Speaker 1: they've got two picks in the fourth round. You know,
Speaker 1: you think about holy Field, Justice Hill. I think there's
Speaker 1: two kids coming out of Memphis that I'm drawn a
Speaker 1: blank on their name right now, who are both really good?
Speaker 1: Going to my draft guide, yeah, which get on news
Speaker 1: stands and on the internet, like starting this week, right,
Speaker 1: I think, yes, starting today. Darryl Henderson's the guy, Darrell Henderson,
Speaker 1: really good player. I said, Justice Hill out of Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: You know he ran the fastest combine at the fastest
Speaker 1: combine fastest forty at the combine, So two picks in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. Um, that's where I'm looking if I'm
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, and I think you could find a
Speaker 1: really capable back up in there. All right, Well, let's
Speaker 1: our quick break and we'll be right back and we'll
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Speaker 1: Slash Football. Back to the Break, All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: This is the second segment of the Break, and here's
Speaker 1: a question from Twitter. Since we're still in the topic
Speaker 1: of the draft and some options there. If either of
Speaker 1: these safeties fall into the second round, do you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will treat up for a ram or Rap.
Speaker 1: I would never count out the possibility of the Cowboys
Speaker 1: trading I think it would depend on how far they
Speaker 1: have to go and whether they're comfortable. You know, unless
Speaker 1: you know, unless you're talking about only moving four or
Speaker 1: five spots, you probably have to trade your third round pick,
Speaker 1: so you know, which to the point we made in
Speaker 1: the first segment, like they've done a pretty good job
Speaker 1: of handling their needs. So you know, if you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say, you know, we can get Jonathan
Speaker 1: Abram if we trade our third round pick and we've
Speaker 1: got we've got our starting safety duo for the next
Speaker 1: you know, at least two, if not more years, and
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be you know, playing for us for
Speaker 1: a decade, then I would do it for sure, because
Speaker 1: there just aren't that many positions where when you're picking
Speaker 1: at ninety where I feel confident that that this guy's
Speaker 1: going to be a hit, you know, And so I
Speaker 1: would do it. I don't know if they would do it,
Speaker 1: but you know, for everybody that's asking that, get comfortable
Speaker 1: with the thought that it would cost your third round
Speaker 1: pick to do it. Yeah, I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: by sitting around all day and in the first day
Speaker 1: of the draft and not not being able to do
Speaker 1: anything and watching Amari Cooper highlights, as Stephen Jones said,
Speaker 1: they would do. But I think that you have a
Speaker 1: better chance of thinking they will move back than the
Speaker 1: move up. I just I just think that they're gonna
Speaker 1: try to collect some picks. So if there's somebody that
Speaker 1: they're not like in love with at the fifty eight spot,
Speaker 1: I could see them maybe trying to move back. But
Speaker 1: I mean then then you would move out of the round,
Speaker 1: or you could There could be there could be five
Speaker 1: guys that they feel good about, and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we can trade back and one of those guys
Speaker 1: will still be there when we pick at sixty five
Speaker 1: instead of fifty eight. Because what you just said about
Speaker 1: you don't think there's a huge difference maker. They're at
Speaker 1: ninety so you would which, okay, maybe, I mean there's
Speaker 1: typically not. Yes, Jason Witten was picked in third round,
Speaker 1: but well, I mean, you know, Michael Gallup was pick
Speaker 1: eighty one. But and you know, I always say, like,
Speaker 1: you want your top one hundred. Anybody you take in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred you're hoping can play a role
Speaker 1: for you in their rookie year. But I feel better
Speaker 1: about a guy you're trading up to forty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: than a guy you're drafting at ninety. But that being said,
Speaker 1: the guy at forty five, you would rather just probably
Speaker 1: have your second and third round pick than to you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, which which you know what I remember. I
Speaker 1: remember the DeMarcus Lawrence trade was similar to that because
Speaker 1: they moved up to thirty four. I don't remember where
Speaker 1: they were, they were at forty seven. They went at
Speaker 1: thirteen spots, and you know, you moved up. You moved
Speaker 1: up to get to Marcus Lawrence and he had to
Speaker 1: you didn't have your third round pick. Same type of scenario.
Speaker 1: And then there was a good guard from LSU maybe
Speaker 1: that was sitting in the third round, and you're like,
Speaker 1: is this a good night? After a couple of years,
Speaker 1: you're like, this really wasn't a great pick, and then
Speaker 1: two or three years later it's like it was a
Speaker 1: great pick, and then now maybe it's not. Well I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding. There's two guys from the twenty fourteen draft
Speaker 1: still on this team and they're both all pros. So
Speaker 1: I mean worked out. It took to Marcus a little
Speaker 1: bit longer than Zach. I think Zach kind of got
Speaker 1: there faster than everybody ever. Yeah, but that's tricky. I mean,
Speaker 1: you like, yeah, would you rather have you know Zach
Speaker 1: Allen and um, I'm gonna Zach Allen and McCole Hardman
Speaker 1: from Georgia me cole or or Jonathan Abram you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just saw Mikol Hardman and it's fourth.
Speaker 1: He's fast, free. He would be your guy, he would
Speaker 1: be your speed guy. He was staring at you two. No. Actually,
Speaker 1: when I watched the championship game two years ago and
Speaker 1: it was Alabama and he I think he went for
Speaker 1: eighty yarder and then he had another touchdown in the
Speaker 1: game too. I'm like, he's fast. Who's this guy? He's
Speaker 1: super fast? What's his deal? We can't catch what his
Speaker 1: his route tree? I don't think he's super polished. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's he's He's kind of Tavon Austiny
Speaker 1: to me, you know, which you know that speed can
Speaker 1: make a difference, and I just don't know how polished
Speaker 1: he is. That's just me though, I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: Brian's the scout. Yeah, that's just my opinion, all right,
Speaker 1: anything else you'll want to say before we changed the topic, No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean, cut us off. Whatever, what are
Speaker 1: we going to I'll talk. I know sometimes you have
Speaker 1: something in your mind. So today's Wednesday. Obviously tomorrow is Thursday,
Speaker 1: which is another episode of the Draft show. True. But well,
Speaker 1: you can go to the website. I think later today
Speaker 1: we'll be able to have a link for you that
Speaker 1: you can go and purchase this magazine. I'd take a
Speaker 1: lot of good information stuff, a lot of guys. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to put a number on it, but
Speaker 1: it's probably over at least three hundred guys that are
Speaker 1: that are listed in here with with some detailed profiles
Speaker 1: on about one hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy.
Speaker 1: I think guys at Brian really spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time the work and the work that he puts into
Speaker 1: the draft process is uh, it's unbelievable. And I think
Speaker 1: this cover is amazing and we did a nice job
Speaker 1: with this cover. So, um, probably two guys on here
Speaker 1: that have a real good shot, maybe three when you
Speaker 1: talk about Jonathan Abram um Alan, there's a few guys
Speaker 1: on there that that have a shot. Alan from Boston College. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Trevion Williams is a guy to watch maybe
Speaker 1: at Oliver if he falls, Yeah, geez, I would be
Speaker 1: a hell of a fall. I might have to wear
Speaker 1: a gas mask on Draft night to have that happen.
Speaker 1: God Heard is a guy I you know, I haven't
Speaker 1: heard a lot of smoke about him from the you
Speaker 1: know you kind of a lot of these names kind
Speaker 1: of get linked to the Cowboys. I haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: linking Jalen Heard to the Cowboys. But I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of his game. You never know what happened. He
Speaker 1: was the he was the running back that Alvin like.
Speaker 1: He Alvin Kamara couldn't get on the field because of him,
Speaker 1: and then he wound up playing slot receiver at Baylor.
Speaker 1: So he just sucks. I watched. I'm just watching, and
Speaker 1: I see all these guys just so young, you know,
Speaker 1: and it reminds me of every time I just I
Speaker 1: would say, oh, they just keep getting younger, but no,
Speaker 1: I just keep getting Stop. It's weird, No, it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird that now I came in at the same
Speaker 1: age and now they're all like, way younger than me.
Speaker 1: What does that have to do with anything? Though? It
Speaker 1: just has a baby face. He has a baby face.
Speaker 1: Twenty six years old. Nobody's impressed. You're not old at all.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Jason Witten, he's getting up there. He
Speaker 1: got inducted into the Texas Sports Hall of Fame and
Speaker 1: he got the chance to talk to the media for
Speaker 1: the first time since he got since he retired. All
Speaker 1: that jazz that happened. Anyways, he seems pretty excited, very
Speaker 1: very excited. Got a post on Instagram and Twitter and
Speaker 1: of his helpmet and his jersey in the locker room.
Speaker 1: And we've already discussed our expectations for him this year
Speaker 1: of coming back after a year of not playing football.
Speaker 1: But there was something that he said that was interesting
Speaker 1: to me, the whole experience of him watching the game
Speaker 1: from the booth and just seeing the whole game from
Speaker 1: a whole another perspective. Do you guys think that him
Speaker 1: having the opportunity to experience that and learn from that
Speaker 1: would give him some kind of different knowledge or advantage
Speaker 1: that he can apply into the game. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know about that part. I don't know if that if
Speaker 1: that's the thing, what I do what I do buy
Speaker 1: into is that him be him seeing it from another
Speaker 1: perspective and really just missing what he's used to and
Speaker 1: I did have a conversation with him. It was very
Speaker 1: one sided. I didn't get a lot of words in.
Speaker 1: He was he was, he was going, and he was
Speaker 1: talking a lot about his whole time at ESPN. And
Speaker 1: basically what I took from that was when the game
Speaker 1: was over, he told me his story. The very first
Speaker 1: game he did was over. He was like, that's it,
Speaker 1: Like what what what now? Like, well, you just go
Speaker 1: home and go to the next game next week. He
Speaker 1: was just it just didn't he wasn't fulfilled. He didn't
Speaker 1: get hit in the face, he didn't get to hit anyone.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't his thing. And he was just you
Speaker 1: could tell that he wasn't ready to give it up.
Speaker 1: So to come back, I think that I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a different perspective, but I just think that
Speaker 1: he's got this renewed energy and I think he will
Speaker 1: have to change his mindset a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: this hole coming off the field stuff and what kind
Speaker 1: of leadership he is. You know, when when you leave
Speaker 1: for a year, you come back, it won't be the same.
Speaker 1: And I think he knows that, I really do. I
Speaker 1: think he knows that he's not maybe one of the
Speaker 1: leader leaders of this team. I'll be I. You know,
Speaker 1: it's you don't want to read too much into it.
Speaker 1: If you saw it, you mentioned it the video he posted.
Speaker 1: You know, he walked into the locker room and was like,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Which is funny because he was back here.
Speaker 1: He was in the building like a day after all
Speaker 1: that happened. Like I remember we were in Indie for
Speaker 1: the combine and they announced he was coming back on
Speaker 1: a Thursday. I came back into work on like a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was in his sweatsuit with his
Speaker 1: backwards hat, and I was like, like it was like
Speaker 1: he never left, Like he did not waste any time
Speaker 1: getting back into the flow of it. So you can
Speaker 1: tell he's excited. But he posted this video and if
Speaker 1: you look, his locker is in between two other lockers, which,
Speaker 1: if you know the layout of the Cowboys locker room,
Speaker 1: that's not the way it used to be. He was
Speaker 1: the last you know, Jason Garrett loves to put his
Speaker 1: leaders at focal points of the locker room, so like
Speaker 1: your pro bowlers are either at the end, so you
Speaker 1: have to walk past him to come into the locker room.
Speaker 1: You know, Sean Lee and DeMarcus Lawrence are at one end,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick and Tyrn Smith or at the other end,
Speaker 1: and then in the middle, you know, by the showers.
Speaker 1: You you had Jason Witton, you had um Dan Bailey
Speaker 1: for a while, rip well way back in the Valley
Speaker 1: Ranch days. Yeah, Romo, I guess he had a locker
Speaker 1: here in twenty sixteen. It doesn't feel like it at
Speaker 1: this point, but yeah, Dak and Zeke sit in the
Speaker 1: middle of the locker room, so you have to be
Speaker 1: near them if you're going by the showers or whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Witton sat right there by the shower, and when he left,
Speaker 1: they made a big deal of giving his locker to
Speaker 1: Zach Martin. And you're not going to take that away
Speaker 1: from Zach Martin. I mean, he's definitely in the conversation.
Speaker 1: Locker empty for like it least nine or ten weeks
Speaker 1: of the season, though, well, no, they left it empty.
Speaker 1: They left it empty for the off season program and
Speaker 1: then when the you know, when the team got back
Speaker 1: from Oxnard. I think that's when Zach moved over there.
Speaker 1: But either way, I know, I don't know, but if
Speaker 1: you go look at you know, it's it's an Instagram
Speaker 1: video or a Twitter video whatever, and you can just
Speaker 1: tell that it's in between two lockers, which was not
Speaker 1: the case with his old locker. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's kind of telling that, you know, it's not exactly
Speaker 1: the same, because it was exactly the same. They would
Speaker 1: have put him right back in his old spot where
Speaker 1: he always sat, and they didn't do that. And part
Speaker 1: of that is stemmed from Valley Ranch, just from a
Speaker 1: simple standpoint of when the media is around them at
Speaker 1: their locker, because we don't do the podium here, um,
Speaker 1: that it's just easier for the media to kind of
Speaker 1: be around like the edges. Yeah, and but now it
Speaker 1: doesn't really feel the same. It's actually harder to do
Speaker 1: that with you know, Sean Lee and de Marcus. I
Speaker 1: don't Dees had to have a spot like that. Dees
Speaker 1: used to see. Yeah, they moved to Marcus into does
Speaker 1: a spot, So it's fun to see how that changes.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, maybe they'll you know, just because
Speaker 1: that's where Witten's locker was in an Instagram video on
Speaker 1: March twenty fifth, doesn't mean that's where it'll be. But
Speaker 1: I did think that was interesting because how are you
Speaker 1: gonna ask Zach Martin to move mister five time all
Speaker 1: pro Okay, I'm drawing blank right now? Who sits? Um?
Speaker 1: Where Roma was? Dan Bailey? Don't know? Over in that LP.
Speaker 1: It might be LP. Yeah, I'm like about corner. I'm
Speaker 1: drawing a blank because whoever it is, he's not a
Speaker 1: guy that talks to the media. Yeah, I cannot remember.
Speaker 1: I don't either. I don't. I don't think it was LP.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's Light. It might be Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: Chris Jones sits over there somewhere. I don't know when
Speaker 1: I go in the locker room next time, which will
Speaker 1: be in like a month. You know, this is very
Speaker 1: important talk. Where are these players? We're peeling the curtain
Speaker 1: back right now? Okay, people want to hear this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe? Where are we even? So? Yeah, win
Speaker 1: is he gonna be? I think I want? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be completely so confident and
Speaker 1: also saying you know, there are I understand there are
Speaker 1: doubt doubters out there that are gonna you know, doubt
Speaker 1: his comeback and all that, But the way he expressed
Speaker 1: himself was basically like, um, the tape is going to
Speaker 1: show the real thing. I don't doubt watch it. I
Speaker 1: don't doubt his ability to come back at all. I
Speaker 1: doubt how different it's going to be. And that's even
Speaker 1: if he's in a new locker or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just, you know, Jerry Jones said it. I gotta
Speaker 1: see to believe that he's going to be part of
Speaker 1: this platoon with two guys that have like twenty five
Speaker 1: career catches like well, I just don't. I gotta see it.
Speaker 1: I just have to. And all the players respect him
Speaker 1: just as much. I mean, that hasn't gone away, so
Speaker 1: there's gonna be still that level of respect. And let's
Speaker 1: be honest too, it's not like he was keeping these
Speaker 1: great players down by being on the field all the time.
Speaker 1: Now you can say Martellis Bennett was pretty good. That
Speaker 1: was ten years ago. Ten years ago. Yeah, but and
Speaker 1: he made a Pro Bowl or two or whatever, and
Speaker 1: Jason made about six or seven more. But I don't
Speaker 1: think there's been any other tight ends that he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely a narrative, you know, Fasano, Martellis, Uh,
Speaker 1: there was one more, wasn't there? Kevin? Yeah, I'm saying
Speaker 1: but it's been a while since, like a truly great
Speaker 1: tightly since a guy went on to be better at
Speaker 1: his next team after not making it here, like it's
Speaker 1: been a while since that. I think if Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: and and or Schultz are you know, worthy of of
Speaker 1: of playing as much or if not more than Witten,
Speaker 1: then then I would imagine the Cowboys would make that
Speaker 1: change and do that. I mean, these coaches, as Brian
Speaker 1: brought Us would say, these coaches are coaching for their
Speaker 1: lives here. This is this is a I mean, this
Speaker 1: is their their shot. And I don't think that you
Speaker 1: can't sit there and go, well, nah, I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't tell Whitten to get off the field. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: the owner's gonna tell you to get to leave if
Speaker 1: if this thing doesn't go and you kind of lose
Speaker 1: that right after you decide to retire you so you
Speaker 1: do you do? I mean, no, that's fair. I still
Speaker 1: whether he's better or because he's Jason Witten, whatever, If
Speaker 1: I set the over under for for his offensive snaps
Speaker 1: like next January the or February sorry whatever, whenever the
Speaker 1: season ends, season and review booklet comes out, I set
Speaker 1: I'm setting the over under for snap count, like eighty
Speaker 1: three point five percent of the snaps you've taken the
Speaker 1: over or the under eighty three point five And I'm
Speaker 1: being generous because his numbers are usually ninety. You ever
Speaker 1: been ninety five? If I said it at eighty three
Speaker 1: and a half, where I'm taking the over all day,
Speaker 1: all day, probably i'd probably I'd take the over if
Speaker 1: you said it at ninety honestly, Yeah, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good question. I think it's in the eighties. I would
Speaker 1: take the I would definitely take the under if it
Speaker 1: was in the nineties, but eighty And I can't sit
Speaker 1: sit here and think it's in the seventies. I can't either.
Speaker 1: That's and maybe it will be. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I just I have to see that before I believe
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. Training camp is going to be fun, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just to watch him come back and after a whole
Speaker 1: year of not playing football. Who knows how much he
Speaker 1: was training. There's no doubt, not during the off season,
Speaker 1: but he will be ready, like there's no doubt. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: Back to the break, all right, welcome back. We've basically
Speaker 1: talked about every position of need and not of need
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. So what's up with the kicker? That
Speaker 1: is one that we haven't really discussed. Is there still
Speaker 1: a position of need that you see that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: shoot address through the draft or somehow? Man, I'm reluctant
Speaker 1: to comment because this time last year I was like
Speaker 1: shut up about getting rid of Dan Bailey, Like stop. Okay,
Speaker 1: he struggled down the stretch. Whatever, he'll be here, Nope,
Speaker 1: Like you learned some valuable lessons the last couple of
Speaker 1: years covering this team, Like you can't really bound count
Speaker 1: on anything to last longer than the next six months.
Speaker 1: We're going to watch the practices and we're going to
Speaker 1: watch the kicking attempts and practice. The Sierra training camp
Speaker 1: will definitely pay attention. I have a couple I have
Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts. One, I just have this feeling
Speaker 1: that Jason Garrett and and the and then by proxy
Speaker 1: the front office like they have more faith in good
Speaker 1: Brett Maher than the brat bad Brett Maher. Like we
Speaker 1: he was brilliant at times last year, he had struggles.
Speaker 1: He was inconsistent, especially down the stretch of the season.
Speaker 1: I just feel like they have more faith in him
Speaker 1: than the average fan or media member does. One. Two,
Speaker 1: this team has found great players without using draft capital.
Speaker 1: At the kicker position. Dan Bailey was undrafted, Brett Maher
Speaker 1: was undrafted. That covers like the last decade of cowboy kickers.
Speaker 1: I'm only drafted quick kicker that I can think of
Speaker 1: was David Bieler, and he really wasn't that good? Where did?
Speaker 1: Where did? Folk? Was somebody else's raft, but not by
Speaker 1: the Cowboy by Yeah, for some reason, I thought he
Speaker 1: was drafted by the Jet. No, he went to the
Speaker 1: Jets after. Yeah, he was drasted by the Cowboys. You're right,
Speaker 1: but either I mean, okay, So even if you're talking
Speaker 1: about drafting one, mean, the last kicker that was drafted
Speaker 1: high was a GUYO and that was a miserable failure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just Janikowski was, I mean, he was pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: But so the expectation here is that definitely they're bringing
Speaker 1: somebody to out of competition and all that stuff. I'd
Speaker 1: practice training camp. I would be fairly surprised if they
Speaker 1: draft a kicker. There's only two that are worth it,
Speaker 1: probably Siebert out of Oklahoma and then Cole Tracy out
Speaker 1: of LSU. I would be pretty surprised, especially like you've
Speaker 1: only got six picks as it stands right now. I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if they spent one of those on
Speaker 1: a kicker. There will assuredly be a guy here in
Speaker 1: training camp. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't draft one
Speaker 1: because because Brett Maher, like you said, there's good, there's
Speaker 1: there's some shaky moments for sure, But I think you're
Speaker 1: bringing a guy in, You're finding a guy wasn't drafted,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see if he's better. And he might be,
Speaker 1: he might outperform him at camp. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it's worth a pick to do that, because if you
Speaker 1: are going to make a pick, then you're making that
Speaker 1: decision right now. Like if you're a team, like let's
Speaker 1: say the Bears that obviously let go of their kicker
Speaker 1: and their season ended because miss miss kicks, then yeah,
Speaker 1: you draft a guy and that's that's the kicker. But
Speaker 1: I don't think you would even draft one and he
Speaker 1: would be better. The word Remember when the word that
Speaker 1: came out after they cut Dan Bailey. You know, you
Speaker 1: have conversations and you know, whispers start to get around.
Speaker 1: It's like they were worried about his mindset. They're worried
Speaker 1: about his confidence, felt like he was out of his routine,
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, he didn't have that belief that
Speaker 1: you would prefer a kicker to have. And everything I've
Speaker 1: ever heard Jason Garrett say about Bret Maher is he's
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. Like he missed like a long kick
Speaker 1: in a gay. I don't remember, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: remember which game right now, but you know I heard
Speaker 1: somebody say after the game he was just like right
Speaker 1: back at it, like I'll drill it from sixty two.
Speaker 1: If you give me another shot, like get me back
Speaker 1: on the field, I'll do it. And I think his
Speaker 1: belief and his you know, to borrow a word from
Speaker 1: Garrett Process, I think they have a lot of confidence
Speaker 1: in him and belief that he can do it. That
Speaker 1: they lost with Dan Bailey towards the end of his
Speaker 1: time here, and I think that counts for a lot
Speaker 1: with them. Like so, I think there's more belief on
Speaker 1: their part in Brett Maher than, like I said, than
Speaker 1: we or maybe the fans have. Here are some of
Speaker 1: the concerns that I have though, is that the fifty
Speaker 1: nine and sixty two yard field goals that almost hurts them.
Speaker 1: It almost hurts the situation because those aren't normal. It
Speaker 1: has to be the end of the half or whatever.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can try it, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: you're not trying a field goal like that. I want
Speaker 1: to know what he can do between thirty and forty. Well,
Speaker 1: that's sure point the joke. The joke is that he'll
Speaker 1: just nail it from sixty two but miss from thirty eight, right,
Speaker 1: which that's scary. So I get it. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I understand people's concerns. I would like him to have
Speaker 1: some healthy competition and training camp, but just the nature
Speaker 1: of the position, I would be surprised if because how
Speaker 1: like you see a kicker get drafted like once every
Speaker 1: other year or you know once a draft, like it
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen that often. So I think they'll just
Speaker 1: find a guy in college and you know, undrafted free
Speaker 1: agency to come in and compete with him. And then
Speaker 1: and then it'll probably be a guy that does some punting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll that that can punt some and kick that can
Speaker 1: he can have one extra guy that can help Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: It can also help Maher he can kick off some.
Speaker 1: So but that's kind of the way Maher was. He
Speaker 1: was just a guy that could do a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything. And for five years we were just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the guy that's gonna spell Dan Bailey every
Speaker 1: other day, and like nobody literally nobody realized. I don't
Speaker 1: think they didn't even realize that he might take his job.
Speaker 1: So it's just something we're gonna have to pay closer
Speaker 1: attention to this show. And and I like that from
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of training camp. And you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you go out there, We've been going there for many
Speaker 1: years and it's a it's routine. Yes, it's it's different players,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a routine. We sit the same spot.
Speaker 1: You know, the weather is about the same, it's always sunny,
Speaker 1: and it's always about the same thing. We kind of
Speaker 1: just take up. Here's the guy that's gonna kick a
Speaker 1: little bit and we don't even need to know his name.
Speaker 1: That's not happening this year. Remember another position? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember I watched him last year at training camp and
Speaker 1: now and he missed a few and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy sucks. And I'm like, Okay, Dan Bailey, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be fine because the kicker position. It's I like
Speaker 1: the kicker position. And obviously I'm a I guess I'm
Speaker 1: still him a fan of Dan Bailey, and I still
Speaker 1: have a supposter up there on my desk. Maybe she
Speaker 1: should replace it, but um, I remember watching it. Here's
Speaker 1: here's also a difference too from last year to this
Speaker 1: year when he got the job. What was the number
Speaker 1: one question that we had about this guy? Oh god,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. He set me up to fail here. Well,
Speaker 1: how do you say his name? Are you? Yeah? Oh?
Speaker 1: No one even knew how to say his mother. It's Ma,
Speaker 1: it's mahr its her. No one knew that won't happen
Speaker 1: this year, like whoever it is. And my point is
Speaker 1: we didn't even get to know his name. We didn't care.
Speaker 1: Shout out all my Nebraska cowboy fans that knew, but
Speaker 1: nobody else did. Yeah her ma, Ma, I thought it
Speaker 1: was Mary. But my expectation, my personal expectations, are that
Speaker 1: whoever comes in here and I practice and all that,
Speaker 1: it's still not going to be someone that would win
Speaker 1: the job over him. Right, so the fans should most
Speaker 1: likely expect to That just contradicts everything we just said. No, no, okay,
Speaker 1: you never know what can happen. Clearly what happened with
Speaker 1: Dian Bailey, it's a clear example of Bret maher had.
Speaker 1: He was brilliant at times last year. And if he's
Speaker 1: the guy, that's fine, but I'm not gonna take him.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna assume anything. I am why we just
Speaker 1: had this converence like it's literally, I mean, you're only
Speaker 1: as good as your last kick training. I mean, if
Speaker 1: if Dan Bailey can get the acts, then Bred Maher
Speaker 1: definitely can. Yep, we'll see, I guess, and they have
Speaker 1: a good team that do a good job of picking
Speaker 1: kickers and guys on that position and guys I care.
Speaker 1: But all right, we'll see what happens there. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to believe. I don't know what to expect
Speaker 1: at this point. You just confused me. I agree with.
Speaker 1: I think the difference is that you're going to see
Speaker 1: is um. You know, Bailey didn't want to kick a
Speaker 1: lot in the preseason. If the operation isn't normal for him,
Speaker 1: if it's not LP to Chris Jones, and then the kick,
Speaker 1: he didn't want to do it. And for different reasons.
Speaker 1: Why you have to play the different alignments and special
Speaker 1: teams first team, second team and all that stuff, so
Speaker 1: are all that jazz. So you know, he didn't get
Speaker 1: to kick as much with the first team guys, and
Speaker 1: so it rattled Dan. I don't think that. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's kicked in the CFL Saskatchewan. He doesn't really care.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be fine, And so I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna take all the kicks that he can until they
Speaker 1: decide they want to get another kicker in there. So
Speaker 1: he's gonna have every opportunity to win or lose this job. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I really said that my expectations
Speaker 1: would be for him to most likely keep his job
Speaker 1: is because of what you said about Garrett and what
Speaker 1: they'd like about his mentality and a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that we've seen from this team is that when
Speaker 1: they have a guy that they like their mentality and stuff,
Speaker 1: they will back that guy up no matter why. To
Speaker 1: be clear, I think Brett Maher will be the kicker
Speaker 1: when Week one finally kicks off. Yeah, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go into training camp assuming anything after what
Speaker 1: happened last year exactly. Okay, this is a question from
Speaker 1: Brian ernand this is there any chance at all that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys talked to Cleveland about Duke Johnson? We kind
Speaker 1: of mentioned that in the first segment. Kind of what
Speaker 1: Nick said at the top is at this the draft
Speaker 1: is three weeks away, and so I think it's all
Speaker 1: hands on deck trying to make sure your draft strategies implemented.
Speaker 1: They've done enough that they feel good about everything. You know,
Speaker 1: if if the draft doesn't go your way, maybe you
Speaker 1: revisit that um or. Like I said, you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's some veterans and free agency that you can acquire.
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if they did that right now. You
Speaker 1: know what what could happen too, is is you get
Speaker 1: to the fourth or fifth round and you're like, you
Speaker 1: haven't got the running back that you want. It's true
Speaker 1: they swapped Switzer for Tavon on that Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we know what Cleveland probably would like to have the
Speaker 1: pick here and definitely you know, to trade their guy.
Speaker 1: Is these guys that were about to pick from would
Speaker 1: this guy help us more? And obviously it'd be more expensive,
Speaker 1: but you know, is it worth it to do that round?
Speaker 1: So I could see it being a maybe a draft
Speaker 1: day thing. I think they've got They've got a small
Speaker 1: number of targets that they feel really good about, and
Speaker 1: I think they're going to focus on that until something changes,
Speaker 1: That's my guess. And you could do the you could
Speaker 1: do the Duke Johnson deal when the drafts over, too.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you know Cleveland's got Chubb
Speaker 1: and at some point they'll have Kareem Hunt, and if
Speaker 1: I mean if they're hell bent on dealing him, I
Speaker 1: think they would do it for twenty twenty pick the
Speaker 1: same way the Dolphins did. All Right, here's a fun
Speaker 1: little question. Which side of the ball do you expect
Speaker 1: to take the biggest jump this season? Given the recent
Speaker 1: editions or returns. You got Quinn law the Marcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Laying Vanders Smith with a full season could be legendary.
Speaker 1: But we also have Amari Cooper, Cobb, Dack and possibly
Speaker 1: the return of Frederick came doing well back in the
Speaker 1: mix and Witten. It had well and Witten. That's another one.
Speaker 1: It had better be the offense because the offense was
Speaker 1: bad last year and the offense is getting an all
Speaker 1: Pro center back. We'll just we'll assume Travis Frederick is
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick. You know a lot to still do there,
Speaker 1: but you're getting Travis Frederick back on that offensive line.
Speaker 1: You're adding Randall Cobb, who I think can significantly upgrade
Speaker 1: your slot production. No offense to Cole Beasley, another year
Speaker 1: of Amari Cooper. He'll be at training camp this time.
Speaker 1: You will, one way or another, you'll have a better
Speaker 1: backup running back, I think than what you've had the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and that's where you need to
Speaker 1: see the improvement. On top of that, you know, Derek's
Speaker 1: not here to plug Robert Quinn as Reggie White. But
Speaker 1: if DeMarcus Lawrence, that situation scares the crap out of me,
Speaker 1: because you're taught. I mean, right now, I'm not confident
Speaker 1: he's going to be completely healthy when the season starts.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, as it stands right now. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you can feel confident about that. And if
Speaker 1: he's not there, the defense won't be as good. Derek
Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear that that's okay. He's not here
Speaker 1: to defend himself. I think that the defense will actually
Speaker 1: be better than the I mean obviously better than the offense,
Speaker 1: because I think that it is a better unit. But
Speaker 1: I do think that they're going to improve as well.
Speaker 1: I think the linebackers are going to be even even better,
Speaker 1: more dynamic, and I think Quinn will help and I
Speaker 1: do believed law Quinn will both be there together. I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not saying I wish they would have done
Speaker 1: something a little bit better in safety, but didn't happen again.
Speaker 1: The street continues. Well, keep in mind, I mean the
Speaker 1: draft is still there. Draft is there, but the top
Speaker 1: sixty pick is added to the safety position. You might
Speaker 1: feel better. I might. I might. And they haven't really
Speaker 1: drafted a safety in the second round. Am I missing someone?
Speaker 1: I can't really last. The highest pick they've spent on
Speaker 1: a safety in recent memory was Wilcox and that was
Speaker 1: played running back for three years of his career. Pick
Speaker 1: eighty five, Yeah, pick eighty seven, something like that. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's what they do. Maybe they just say, hey,
Speaker 1: second round, we're packing, we're taking a safety. Maybe you
Speaker 1: know you said it earlier, asked earlier. If they're gonna
Speaker 1: move up for a guy, I could see them moving up.
Speaker 1: If if Abraham is sitting there, I could see them
Speaker 1: maybe moving up for him, because he does seem like
Speaker 1: a dynamic type of player, kind of an I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say Eric Berry type, but I mean he's like a
Speaker 1: linebacker type guy that they can play safety. He would
Speaker 1: be an interesting guy for me. But I wonder if
Speaker 1: they'd move up for a pass rusher if this Lawrence
Speaker 1: thing doesn't fix itself real soon, Like I mean, they
Speaker 1: did that for DeMarcus Lawrence, the which which Brian brought
Speaker 1: us was here so I could yell at him too.
Speaker 1: They trade it up for DeMarcus Lawrence because they said
Speaker 1: he was the last guy on their board who could
Speaker 1: play right end. And now I'm supposed to believe that
Speaker 1: he can only play left end and he's not as
Speaker 1: good because he can't play on the right side. That's
Speaker 1: a bowl. Yeah, so maybe they maybe they trade up
Speaker 1: to get a guy if they really don't feel good
Speaker 1: about this DeMarcus Lawrence thing, because that I just mark
Speaker 1: it down. I said this last week, mark it down.
Speaker 1: Quote me, I don't care. If he's not on this team,
Speaker 1: even healthy, the defense won't be as good. It just
Speaker 1: won't be I don't And and that's I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to disrespect the linebackers or anybody else, but difference making
Speaker 1: pass rushers are a big deal. They make a difference,
Speaker 1: They do the work. Difference is right. Yeah, So when
Speaker 1: they're not there, yeah, they're a big big deal. Ye
Speaker 1: you no, we're running out of time, but they'll let
Speaker 1: me think. I'm like when you said you would think
Speaker 1: they would go for a pass rusher, I mean, let
Speaker 1: you know, you can't have enough. They're far apart. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're far, they're they're apart on a deal. To
Speaker 1: quote Stephen Jones, they're at an impass. As far as
Speaker 1: we know, the guy's not planning on getting surgery. It's
Speaker 1: a lengthy recovery. He was probably going to be limited
Speaker 1: to training camp anyway. He definitely will be if he
Speaker 1: waits much longer to have it. Gregory suspended, Gregory suspended,
Speaker 1: I don't know that yet. Suspended. Well, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that Cowboys are hopeful he is suspended as of right now.
Speaker 1: That's an insert. I mean, you know, definitely if this,
Speaker 1: if this DeMarcus thing goes all the way up to it,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, and I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but they could resend the tag, they could trade him,
Speaker 1: they could sign him, but then he's out until October
Speaker 1: because he needs to have surgery. And then let's also
Speaker 1: say could draft the defensive end to try to offset that.
Speaker 1: Even if he comes and signs tomorrow. Okay, and and
Speaker 1: and Gregory isn't not suspended. Let's just have this best
Speaker 1: case scenario, and Taco even plays well, they all play well.
Speaker 1: Quinn is probably one year deal. He yeah, he can
Speaker 1: go ye, and then you still kind of need somebody
Speaker 1: there because because you're getting to the point with Gregory,
Speaker 1: you know where his contracts going to be up there too,
Speaker 1: So it makes sense that you can always if there's
Speaker 1: a good pass rusher, keep them coming. But if the
Speaker 1: DeMarcus situation is murky even more, like I've been more,
Speaker 1: I would trade significant assets if a guy that I
Speaker 1: felt good about was there. I don't think that's likely
Speaker 1: based on how late they're picking, but hopefully they'll be
Speaker 1: able to do a better evaluation on that position this year,
Speaker 1: because it's disappointing that they spent the first round on
Speaker 1: Taco recently and this is just really paid off. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we'll be sitting back in October like, well,
Speaker 1: if we've known Taco was gonna have a ten sacks season,
Speaker 1: then we wouldn't have been whining about this all spring.
Speaker 1: Fingers crossed, any things possible, Taco, you go there, you go. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for joining us again for Nicki, Mint,
Speaker 1: David Helmont, Ken Garrison back there, Hiding and Amburger Seat.
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