WEBVTT - The Bryant Family Legacy

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<v Speaker 1>Diversion podcasts were welcome to the Quest of Palestrium. When

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<v Speaker 1>we first walked into the gym, we saw them people

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<v Speaker 1>outside waiting for takes, and I got I got chills

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<v Speaker 1>because it's starting to know that you came such a

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<v Speaker 1>long way and people are all here to watch you

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<v Speaker 1>play and watch you show your skills. And they gave

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of jilling and but I got I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>really think about it. I just had to calm myself

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<v Speaker 1>down because if I came out with too much energy, job,

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<v Speaker 1>you're messing up. And turned the ball to narrable and

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<v Speaker 1>and then like that. At the intersection of thirty third

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<v Speaker 1>and South Streets in West Philadelphia, on the campus of

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Pennsylvania, stands a rectangular brick building that

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most famous and revered sports arenas

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. It's the build in that Kobe Bryant

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about in that tape you just heard. The

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<v Speaker 1>building is called the Plestra. It was named appropriately by

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<v Speaker 1>a professor who taught Greek. It opened ninety four years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and depending on what religious terminology you prefer, it is

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<v Speaker 1>usually referred to as the cathedral or the temple or

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<v Speaker 1>the mecca of college basketball and especially of Philadelphia a

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<v Speaker 1>basketball actually, by the standards of modern sports arenas, the

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<v Speaker 1>Polester is pretty tiny. It holds fewer than ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>spectators eight thousand, seven dred and twenty two to be exact.

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<v Speaker 1>That's regarded as a magical and unforgettable number in Philly hoops.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Polester is so small, Because everyone's on top

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<v Speaker 1>of each other, the building can get humid and it

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<v Speaker 1>can get loud. It's an electric place to see a game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the home of the Penn Quakers. It's the home

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<v Speaker 1>of Philadelphia. Is Big five, all of them Division One

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<v Speaker 1>basketball teams in or around the city with storied local rivalries, Penn, Villanova, Temple, St. Joseph's,

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<v Speaker 1>and LaSalle. This tape from a seven matchup between Temple

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<v Speaker 1>and Saint Joe's paints a vivid image of the heat

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<v Speaker 1>and energized crowd at the Polestra could generate again. You're

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<v Speaker 1>looking live but the Plestra, a freezing rain has been

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<v Speaker 1>falling all day outside of Philadelphia. But they may not

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<v Speaker 1>need any money for great magnus. There may be enough

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<v Speaker 1>peat generated right there in the Plestra day to melt

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<v Speaker 1>all the ice and Philadelphia please devolved, whether they're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to get after one another again? Temple coming again, five

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<v Speaker 1>minity of an ay ten Saint jos to the four

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<v Speaker 1>and one who up the battle for the spot in

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<v Speaker 1>the leg race at the Rage the midway one of

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<v Speaker 1>the season, they are jammed in there. That remodels the

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<v Speaker 1>Palestra this year that now see that, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>there's an MP seat end the place. The Polestra became

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<v Speaker 1>a very special place for Kobe, and we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>why it was so special to whom in later episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Briant family's connection to the Polestra actually started

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<v Speaker 1>a generation before Kobe. It started with Kobe's dad Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm might seal see and from diversion podcasts, this is

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<v Speaker 1>I am Kobe. I write Wright State, create myself up,

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<v Speaker 1>Create yourself, say nice on, create yourself. You gotta learn

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<v Speaker 1>from the great minds. No, we ain't tell them that's

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<v Speaker 1>getting time. Episode two. The Bryant Family Legacy. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get to the heart of the Kobe Bryant story,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to start with the Joe Brian story, and

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<v Speaker 1>that means you have to start in the city where

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<v Speaker 1>Joe grew up, Piladelphia. One of the pieces of Kobe

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<v Speaker 1>story that tends to get glossed over is that his

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<v Speaker 1>dad also played in the NBA. It's treated as trivia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true Joe Bryant spent eight years in the league,

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<v Speaker 1>but throwing out that fact and then moving on doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>capture the full picture of Joe's career because long before

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe Bryant was a high school legend around Philadelphia, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Bryant was a high school legend in Philadelphia, and his

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<v Speaker 1>legend was every bit as grand as his sons. We

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<v Speaker 1>always thought that Joe was um. He was a one off, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a six nine guy who could dribble and

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<v Speaker 1>shoot it and pass. That's Mo Howard. He and Joe

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<v Speaker 1>have been friends for years. They've known each other since

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<v Speaker 1>high school when they were maybe the two best teenage

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<v Speaker 1>basketball players in Philadelphia. Mo on to play college ball

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<v Speaker 1>at Maryland and have a brief career in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>We always thought like, as we got older, we would

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<v Speaker 1>compare j b to sort of like Magic Johnson, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because at that time, big guys played near the basket.

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<v Speaker 1>But Joe had a very unique skill set because again

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<v Speaker 1>he was six and nine does a very very proficient

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<v Speaker 1>dribbler and passer, and he could shoot the ball, so

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was extraordinary as a high school player

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<v Speaker 1>because there were not many six nine guys like him.

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<v Speaker 1>To learn the full story of Kobe Bryant's father, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't just pop the name Joe Bryant into Google and

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<v Speaker 1>then wait half a second for the Internet to spit

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<v Speaker 1>some links and post set. You have to do what

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<v Speaker 1>I did one day during the summer. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the library at Temple University in North Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>and its urban Archives. The library has hundreds of articles

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<v Speaker 1>from the Philadelphia Bulletin, which back in the nineteen sixties

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<v Speaker 1>and seventies had the largest circulation of any afternoon daily

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper in the country. The library had these newspaper clippings

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<v Speaker 1>and tiny Manila envelopes, and they were yellowed and fading

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<v Speaker 1>in brittle. I had to handle them gently because I

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<v Speaker 1>was afraid they would fall apart in my hands. But

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<v Speaker 1>in those clippings were details that showed just how much

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and Kobe had in common. There were some foreshadowing, there,

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<v Speaker 1>some connections and similarities. If you were willing to look

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<v Speaker 1>hard enough. I thought Kobe was a little more hard

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe, Joe were more of the smiling of canna

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<v Speaker 1>basketball player. This is Julius Thompson. He writes amazing novels

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<v Speaker 1>about basketball and basketball players now, but he started out

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<v Speaker 1>as a sportswriter. He spent ten years covering high school

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<v Speaker 1>sports at the Philadelphia Bolton in the nineteen seventies and eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>which means he covered Joe Bryant's entire career at Bartram

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<v Speaker 1>High School in southwest Philadelphia. I can see the one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>the agility and the quickness and the size. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>only the call I tell Kobe Joe Joe's sixtent. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that he was he plut six tent. Kobe made

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<v Speaker 1>a little smaller. But you can see the same talent.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see the same we'll want to be excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see the same quickness, and you can see

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<v Speaker 1>the same move So so sometimes I watched Kobe, I

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<v Speaker 1>could almost see Joe, a little shorter virgin of Joe

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the on the court. Um shoot if

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<v Speaker 1>you can't wait to shoot the shoot, can shoot it

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<v Speaker 1>from going to the basket, hard, play strong. When he

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<v Speaker 1>had to and one thing I should people realized determination.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing I think, and that that will is

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<v Speaker 1>to be the best. And I saw that in the vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia has had a share of young groups phenots. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>before he scored a hundred points in one NBA game,

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<v Speaker 1>Wilt Chamberlain scored ninety in a game for Overbrooke High.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Gola was the king of the city at Lassal

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<v Speaker 1>High School and at Las South College, where he won

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<v Speaker 1>a national championship. Into Golda still holds the n c

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<v Speaker 1>A record for most rebounds in a career. Earl top

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<v Speaker 1>of the gig road, right, what hey, what a player.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the legendary Hall of Famer Earl Monroe,

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<v Speaker 1>who proceeded Joe Bryant and far from high he could

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<v Speaker 1>have handled the ball like it was on a string.

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<v Speaker 1>Monroe became one of the most skilled guards the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>has ever seen. That clip of the pearl on MSG

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<v Speaker 1>net was just one of many highlights he would have

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<v Speaker 1>on a nightly basis. He was part of a generation

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<v Speaker 1>of players who brought the flare of street basketball to

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<v Speaker 1>the pros who made it mainstream. He also had maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the two coolest nicknames in basketball History, Black Jesus and

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<v Speaker 1>the poem. Here's Mo Howard. Back at that time, the

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<v Speaker 1>men who played on the seventies sixers and the pros

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<v Speaker 1>from Philadelphia played in the Baker League, and uh, prior

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<v Speaker 1>to any of the Baker League games, we had sunny

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<v Speaker 1>year games and were very approachable, right, I mean at

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<v Speaker 1>everybody in Philadelphia wanted to be any played basketball anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to have at least Earl spin move, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean those guys influenced all of us, not just

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<v Speaker 1>in the basketball part, but you know as being part

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<v Speaker 1>of our community as well. You know, these guys, as

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<v Speaker 1>I said, with very approachable. They were very visible and

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<v Speaker 1>present in our community. So there were a few guys

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, we sort of kind of looked up to.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would have to say from my era it

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<v Speaker 1>was Earle Pearl Monroe and Joe Bryant grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>the same neighborhood and it was a pretty rough neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>There was crime, there were gangs. Joe once got stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>in the leg with a knife during a fight. But

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<v Speaker 1>his father, Joe Sr. Was tough and protective, and Joe

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<v Speaker 1>found solace in sports, football, track, and especially basketball. If

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<v Speaker 1>you could play on the playground courts of Philadelphia, you

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<v Speaker 1>could play just about anywhere. It was a lesson Joe's

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<v Speaker 1>son would learn too, because at that time he had

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<v Speaker 1>to understand there was gangs and there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of negative things going on in the community, and so

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<v Speaker 1>this was a way for kids to express themselves. And

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, when I first started covering high

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<v Speaker 1>school sports in Philadelphia, there were no night games allowed

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<v Speaker 1>in the public League. Everything had to be on Tuesday

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon and on Thursday afternoon, and you had to have security.

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<v Speaker 1>Fans were not allowed. They gradually they brought the fans

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<v Speaker 1>come to the game, but it was kind of difficult era.

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<v Speaker 1>But then when the athletics started really exploding and people

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<v Speaker 1>started to get interest, there was a lot more people

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<v Speaker 1>going to the games, and the Polester with just the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately you played the Polester. That was an incredible, incredible experience.

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<v Speaker 1>When Joe Bryant was a kid, Earl the Pearl was

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<v Speaker 1>his hero, his biggest basketball influence, which made Joe different

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<v Speaker 1>from just about every Philly high school star who had

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<v Speaker 1>come before. And see the Pearl was six ft three.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe wanted to play just like it. And he could,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did. Joe put the ball behind his back.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked on his spin moves. He aspired to be

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<v Speaker 1>as creative and flashy as the pearl. There was one

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<v Speaker 1>big difference though Joe wasn't six ft three, he was

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<v Speaker 1>six ft nine, and six ft nine players didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>the kinds of things that Joe could do. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to do stories and do picture stories, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>went and brought them, uh and I and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>him playing. I was just amazed at the agility and

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<v Speaker 1>did quickness, and the size and talent and multiple of

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<v Speaker 1>the personality, the great personality. He could just charm anybody

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<v Speaker 1>with the smile. As a senior in nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe average more than twenty seven points at seventeen rebounds

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<v Speaker 1>a game. He scored fifty seven points in one game

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<v Speaker 1>and had forty points and twenty one rebounds in another.

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<v Speaker 1>The newspapers in Philly, The Daily News, The Inquirer, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bulletin covered him like he played in the NBA already.

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<v Speaker 1>When Joe was in high school, they played a team

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<v Speaker 1>called Germantown High School with Mike Sojoona. Germantown was the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest team i've ever seen the high school basketball we

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<v Speaker 1>called the Johnny Green Giants. The shortest guy was six ft,

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<v Speaker 1>the only six points six five six seven six nine

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<v Speaker 1>seven seven one their only botch of had Joe and

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<v Speaker 1>another kid to call Maddy dog a rebound. Joe want

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<v Speaker 1>to term to win the game, and people said, they bought,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't win botcham can't do they botch of just

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<v Speaker 1>two Freeland. It was that's old McDonald's hall pat house.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe scored over forty points, took over the game, took

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<v Speaker 1>over the game. And that's that same determination to steely

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<v Speaker 1>when he had to be and I see that moreent.

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe Thompson is getting at something really important here, the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between Joe and b b between father and son.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe ratcheted up his competitiveness, his will to win only

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when he absolutely had to. But of course this

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<v Speaker 1>is the quality that Kobe is probably most well known for.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at that peak level all the time, so

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<v Speaker 1>that steely kind of attitude, I'm gonna be the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe didn't have that all the time, but when he

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<v Speaker 1>did get it, like a net game. That's why he's

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<v Speaker 1>publicly champion. Because she said this is mine. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna win this, and he's stunned the Philadelphia basketball

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<v Speaker 1>I'm he absolutely stunned it. That's how fame worked back then.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no sports center, no Twitter, no social media

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<v Speaker 1>scuttle butt. There was just one newspaper headline after another

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<v Speaker 1>proclaiming that Joe Bryant was the next great Philly player.

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<v Speaker 1>The guys on the playgrounds gave him the nickname based

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<v Speaker 1>in an old Big band lyric, must bid love Ja,

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<v Speaker 1>That's who Joe was now jelly Beans. He even brad

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<v Speaker 1>to a reporter that he ate four pounds of jelly

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<v Speaker 1>beans a day. Was it true, didn't matter, It just

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<v Speaker 1>added to the legend I knew of Joe. Brody was

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<v Speaker 1>the same high school classes of me. And the only

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<v Speaker 1>game I really saw as the City championship came that

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<v Speaker 1>year and I went down to the Fluster to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just it was just so exciting. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a packhouse. That's aren't tell Him, a native of West

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia and one of the most powerful sports agents of

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<v Speaker 1>the last half century. NBA stars Tracy McGrady, Anthony Davis, Russell, Westbrook,

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Rose, tell him represented all of them during his career.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also Kobe Bryant's first age tell Him and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Bryant grew up not far from each other. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>Him had read about Joe in the local papers, had

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this kid who could play anywhere on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just had to see him for himself. When

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<v Speaker 1>Bartram met St. Thomas Moore in ninety two for Philly

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<v Speaker 1>High School Hoops Supremacy, tell him and moved out of

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<v Speaker 1>the city by then to Lower Merion Township, but he

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<v Speaker 1>made sure he was at the Palestra that day for

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<v Speaker 1>that game. And even though Joe and Bartram lost, tell

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<v Speaker 1>Him was fascinated by him. I just remember watching Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that struck me about Joe was that he

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<v Speaker 1>was a player that with his size, that could play

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<v Speaker 1>from any team, and I've never really seen that before.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually the the tallest guy on the team are one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest guy team was not bringing the ball

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<v Speaker 1>off the part. And what struck me about Joe orgists

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<v Speaker 1>as unbelieable skill level as a player from guy that size.

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<v Speaker 1>He know, he was a guy that was actually playing

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<v Speaker 1>point guard, you know, for his team. Joe was such

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<v Speaker 1>a brilliant high school player that he was selected to

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<v Speaker 1>play in the Dapper Dan round Ball Classic, an all

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<v Speaker 1>star game in Pittsburgh that pitted the best prospects from

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<v Speaker 1>Pencil Vania against high school standouts from the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the country. It was the McDonald's All American Game before

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<v Speaker 1>the McDonald's All American Game, and it was founded and

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<v Speaker 1>organized by a former school teacher from Western Pennsylvania who

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<v Speaker 1>had turned himself into a basketball recruiter and promoter, Sonny Vacaro.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll hear more about Sonny later in Kobe's Story. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Mike Selsky, host and writer of I Am Kobe.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast project came out of my work on a

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<v Speaker 1>related book called The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of Immortality. If you want to explore other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe's story, check out The Rise. It's not just a

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<v Speaker 1>book version of the podcast. I dive deeper into some

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<v Speaker 1>of the topics covered in this series, and even some

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't cover at all. Kobe's upbringing, his family,

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<v Speaker 1>his identity, his effect on his friends and teammates, his

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<v Speaker 1>journey into the n b A, and his earliest days

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<v Speaker 1>with the Lakers. The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of Immortality is out now. Just head over to the

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<v Speaker 1>it from any of your favorite retailers. That's the rise

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<v Speaker 1>of Kobe book dot Com. Thanks. Nowadays, high school superstars

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<v Speaker 1>leave their hometowns for big national college programs all the

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<v Speaker 1>time Duke Kansas, North Carolina, Kentucky. That didn't happen as

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<v Speaker 1>much in the seventies. A great player was more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to stay local, which is exactly what Joe wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do and exactly what he did do. He decided to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Lasau College. It would be comfortable, his family

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to see him play all his home games,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Lossale Explorers coach Paul west Head had his

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<v Speaker 1>team play a wide open style that suited Joe's game.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't quite as open as Barge from his running

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<v Speaker 1>gun style, but it was close. Here's west Head well,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Briant was a multifaceted basketball party. He was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in modern terms, he was the six ten point guard

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<v Speaker 1>Jose Slemma was. When you were six ten back in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies, no one saw you as a point guard.

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<v Speaker 1>But but Joe could handle the ball. Joe was a

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<v Speaker 1>great pass or a great shooter. He had vision for

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<v Speaker 1>the game. So his biggest asset was just give him

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<v Speaker 1>the ball and leave him alone and he will create

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<v Speaker 1>for you. He fought his whole career. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>not so much with me, but his whole career. People

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to give him the ball. They wanted them

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<v Speaker 1>the position up either in the posts or down on

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<v Speaker 1>the baseline and then hopefully score for you. But he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a handler. He was. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>player way ahead of his times. What were some of

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<v Speaker 1>the negatives, drawbacks, shortcomings he might have had as a player. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he need to have a lot of shortcomings. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>when when you can score it well, when you can

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<v Speaker 1>drive and jump over top of people, when you can

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<v Speaker 1>hit the outside shot, I mean he had some drawbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the years Ico show, the sal they banned

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<v Speaker 1>dunking because they were ruining brims that stopping games. So

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<v Speaker 1>the s C Double as a note, said no dunkings. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe had a propensity to dunk the basketball. So his

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<v Speaker 1>shortcoming was he just couldn't resist a good dunk once

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<v Speaker 1>in a while. And and uh, but you can't call

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<v Speaker 1>them for that. Who was personality like Joe was about

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<v Speaker 1>as outgoing and as gregarious as you could finding a

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<v Speaker 1>basketball player. He was friendly, courteous, engaging. He easily put

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<v Speaker 1>his arm around team Mason. Hey, don't worry about that, Chad.

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<v Speaker 1>You okay, Maybe next time get me the ball and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll make the shot for a game. So so, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>always had a smile on his face. I don't ever

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<v Speaker 1>remember seeing Joe uh in an unhappy or unpleasant mode.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe didn't qualify academically to play as a freshman, so

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<v Speaker 1>he sat out a year to pull his grades up.

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<v Speaker 1>In his first college game in the fall of three,

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<v Speaker 1>he established himself immediately as the team's best player. His

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<v Speaker 1>debut was incredible. He had nineteen points and fifteen rebounds

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<v Speaker 1>and made three behind the back passes. He did a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of everything, and LaSalle won by fifty. But

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<v Speaker 1>that game, the first of a double header at the Palestra,

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<v Speaker 1>was significant to Joe for another more lasting reason. Villanova

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<v Speaker 1>was playing in the doubleheader's nightcap and had a freshman

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<v Speaker 1>guard named John Cox who had grown up near Joe's neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>And John Cox had a sister, Pam Joe had had

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<v Speaker 1>a crush on Pam when they were younger, and when

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<v Speaker 1>they said hello to each other again in the palestra

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<v Speaker 1>that night, that was that they got married the following summer,

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<v Speaker 1>as they were entering their junior years of college. Their

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<v Speaker 1>personalities complimented each other. Joe was fun, loving and carefree.

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<v Speaker 1>Pam was strong will protective of Joe and her family.

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<v Speaker 1>She had been raised a devout Catholic. Those polarities would

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<v Speaker 1>to a great degree, come to define their son's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and Pam's plan was to have Joe finish up

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<v Speaker 1>at LaSalle then entered the NBA after graduating. He had

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much proved by now that he was the best,

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<v Speaker 1>most talent player in the Big Five, and some people

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<v Speaker 1>believed that if Joe stayed in school through his senior year,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be the top pick in the nineteen NBA draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's writer Julius Thompson again, Joe was like poetry, emotion,

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<v Speaker 1>and he could hold the ball. He he was before

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<v Speaker 1>his era. Joe should have been the era and there

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<v Speaker 1>where you could have people, even the big guys, hand

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. At that time, you were told to take

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<v Speaker 1>you a big lankey behind get down on the block,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, put your back to the bad catch the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>But Joe said, Joe was a rebel. Joe could hound

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, he could run the offense, he could free land,

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<v Speaker 1>he could shoot, but only being Joe didn't like to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe did not like to rebound. He didn't like to

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<v Speaker 1>get down there and ball the big guys. He want

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<v Speaker 1>to be outside. He wanted to be pretty boy. And

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's lap at Joe being the pretty boy because he

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<v Speaker 1>he would just but he was absolutely fantastic to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot think of a player today that big and

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<v Speaker 1>that quick. I just came with a different era. He

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<v Speaker 1>had been ruling today. Everybody would have thought, he wow,

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<v Speaker 1>big man, can handle the ball, could do all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things. But Joe's dad, Joe Bryant, Sr. Fell and

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<v Speaker 1>broke a bone in his back, which many couldn't work anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant Joe and Pam's plans had to change. After

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<v Speaker 1>LaSalle lost in the n c A Tournament, Joe withdrew

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<v Speaker 1>from several of his classes and lost interest in the

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<v Speaker 1>other ones. He got approval from the NBA to enter

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<v Speaker 1>the draft early. It didn't take much. He had to

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<v Speaker 1>show that he was what the league called an economic hardship,

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<v Speaker 1>which was pretty much a rubber stamp. The Golden State Warriors,

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<v Speaker 1>who had just won their first championship, took Joe with

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteenth pick in the first round. He was off

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<v Speaker 1>to the West Coast. He was going going gone, or

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<v Speaker 1>so he thought. The Warriors had a problem. They had

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<v Speaker 1>neglected to tender Joe a contract by the league's September

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<v Speaker 1>one deadline. It was a clerical error, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a costly They had lost his rights. He could sign

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<v Speaker 1>with any team he wanted, and he wanted to sign

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<v Speaker 1>with the Sixers and stay in phil so he did.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sixers had been a pretty good team the year before,

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe figured he'd come in and play right away.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't quite work out that way. Before the season began,

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<v Speaker 1>the team spent six million dollars a fortune at the

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<v Speaker 1>time to sign superstar Julius Irving, and Dr Jay's arrival

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<v Speaker 1>pushed Joe down on the depth chart, and when the

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<v Speaker 1>season did start, Joe kept shooting, even though he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>make any of his shots. He missed thirty of his

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<v Speaker 1>first thirty six shots from the field. In time, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>got his Barracks. He played about sixteen minutes a game,

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<v Speaker 1>average seven or eight points in the not up to

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<v Speaker 1>his own expectations, but not bad for a rookie. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>longtime NBA executive Pat Williams, who was the Sixers general

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<v Speaker 1>manager at the time. He was multi talented, very colorful, flamboyant, exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>free willed big. He was a legitimate six nine athletic.

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<v Speaker 1>Could do things with the ball that were astounding. He

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<v Speaker 1>could handle it, and he could pass it, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was a showman. I can still see him up and

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<v Speaker 1>down the court. He could run. He he was not

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<v Speaker 1>a consistent shooter, and that's probably what limited him. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he could score in spurts, but you would never call

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<v Speaker 1>him a consistent offensive force. So Joe would have moments

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<v Speaker 1>like that, you know, where he could he could churn

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<v Speaker 1>up an awful lot of offense ahead of following, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Philly Kid, very popular with the Philadelphia fans. Hometown kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It worked in theory. But to have a first round

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<v Speaker 1>pick fall into your lap, you know, without without giving

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 1>up anything because of a clerical mistake, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>no brainer. On Christmas Eve, Joe and Pam bought a

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<v Speaker 1>house a five bedroom colonial on Remington Road in Winwood,

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<v Speaker 1>a neighborhood in Lower Merion Township just outside Philadelphia. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>also bought himself a sports car, a white dots and

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<v Speaker 1>two eight es. Everything seemed to be set up perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>for him. As the clock neared midnight on Wednesday, May five,

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<v Speaker 1>to Philadelphia police officers were patrolling the area around Fairmount

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<v Speaker 1>Park West, a huge burden pub look a park near

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<v Speaker 1>West Hilling. They noticed a car a white dots and

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<v Speaker 1>two eight z with one of its tail lights out.

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<v Speaker 1>When they approached the car, they saw a familiar face

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 1>inside Joe Bryant's. He was with a twenty one year

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 1>old woman who had been his girlfriend in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>The combustible nature and context of this situation cannot be

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<v Speaker 1>over emphasized. Here was Joe, a local celebrity, a young

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<v Speaker 1>man instantly recognizable to anyone with a passing interest in

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the city sports scene, in a car late at night

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<v Speaker 1>with a woman who was not his wife. Here was

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia in the mid nineties seventies, crime ridden gang lead.

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<v Speaker 1>The city had experienced a one rise in violent crime

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<v Speaker 1>since the previous decade. Here were two white members of

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<v Speaker 1>the police department approaching a car driven by a black man.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a year earlier, a Pulitzer Prize winning series of

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<v Speaker 1>investigative articles in The Philadelphia Inquiry had revealed that several

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<v Speaker 1>cops had been engaged in coercive and illegal interrogation practices

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>that included handcuffing suspects chairs and beating them with blackjacks,

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>brass knuckles, and lead pipes. Each one of the people

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>in Fairmount Park that night had cause to be on guard.

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Glands were pumping adrenaline and cortisol. Palms and brows were

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 1>wet with sweat. Joe got out of the car. The

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>officers asked him for his license and registration. Joe got

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>back in the car, but instead of handing over the documents,

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>he turned the key and sped off, heading south. He

0:29:55.920 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't even bother to turn the headlights on. The chase

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>lasted three miles until Joe crashed his dots and into

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>a stop sign, a no parking sign, and finally a wall.

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>He jumped out of the car and tried to run.

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Officer Robert Lombardi grabbed him. He raised his fist, Lombardi

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>said later, and I struck him. I subdued and handcuffed him,

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>subdued and handcuffed. It was soft language for a hard encounter.

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Joe ended up in the hospital with six stitches. Inside

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the car, police found two vials of cocaine. We did

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>our best to track down a contemporary TV or radio

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>news report about the incident to play for you, but

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>there weren't any out there. It just goes to show

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you how different the media landscape was back in the

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>mid nineteen seventies. Joe was a big deal in Philadelphia,

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>a local hero. This story would have been all over

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Twitter and social media if they had existed back then.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I was able to dig up several newspaper articles from

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that time, all of which treated the incident like the

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>major news story that it was. Here's how the Philadelphia

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Inquirer covered it. After a high speed chase, which ended

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>only after his car struck three parked vehicles and rammed

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>into a wall. Seventy six ers forward, Joe Bryant was

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>arrested on a charge of possession of cocaine. Police originally

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>approached the nineteen seventy two model Dotson in which he

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>was parked because one tail light was out. Bryant was

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 1>a Philadelphia basketball star, at Bartram High before entering LaSalle,

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>where he led the Big Five in scoring his junior season.

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Joe was charged with drug possession, reckless driving, and two

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>counts of resisting arrest. At the trial a month later,

0:31:55.560 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Joe's attorney, Richie Phillips, had twenty character witnesses testify on

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>his behalf, including several of his teammates. Joe's wife, father,

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and baby daughter Shariah were all there too as a

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>united front. The judge ruled that the police's search of

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Joe's car was illegal, and he dismissed the remaining charges.

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Even though Joe's race had almost certainly played a role

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>in how he was treated by the police, he was

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>afraid that his actions had embarrassed the Sixers. The incident

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>happened during what was already a hectic year for the franchise.

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Three weeks after Joe's arrest, the Sixers owner RV. Koslov

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>sold the team, and according to Pat Williams, Joe thought

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that his mistake had led to Koslov's decision, And I

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>remember his reaction was that these actions of his had

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 1>prompted cause to sell the team. I remember he took

0:32:56.600 --> 0:33:00.120
<v Speaker 1>that seriously. That was not the case at all. That

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>sale was in the works and what's going to happen.

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:08.479
<v Speaker 1>But Joe did feel guilty. You know that this might

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>have prompted cause to sell the team. It was all

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 1>new stuff. You know, nobody knew anything had drugs. Then

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you've never heard anything. I do remember going to court

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and speaking on his behalf. This is a fine young

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>man with a bright future, and he made a mistake.

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>It will never happen again. Please don't let anything damage

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>his career. Here. We need to uh, you know, keep

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>going the street and narrow. We'll keep an eye on him.

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that was a wake up call to him,

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and I think he took it very seriously that he

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>had been caught doing something that was embarrassing to him

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>into his family. It probably did affect his career in

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>his life. I don't think he ever got near anything

0:33:54.960 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>like that again, if you think about it. The aftermath

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Joe's arrest wasn't all that different from the aftermath of

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Kobe's arrest for sexual assault all those years later. The

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>charges and alleged crimes were different. Of course, Kobe's more

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 1>severe than Joe's, but just like with Kobe, there was

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>public shock over Joe's incident with the police, disbelief that

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>he could do something so dumb that he could put

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>his career at risk. His actions had threatened his marriage,

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>or seemed to anyway, and led the speculation that the

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>scandal would tarnish him forever. For some people. That's certainly

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>still the case with Kode. The difference was nothing much

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>about Kobe's career changed once the public interest in the

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>scandal started to fade. The Lakers didn't trade him, He

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't decide to play somewhere else, though there were time

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>hims he considered it. He was a Laker, and he

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>remained a Laker. But even though Joe stayed out of

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.400
<v Speaker 1>legal trouble from then on, he was never able to

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>establish a specific role with the Sixers or with any

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>other NBA team for the rest of his career. The

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Sixers were a good team. They reached the finals in

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven and were contenders for years thereafter, and

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Joe had hoped he'd stay with them for a long time.

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>In August of ninety eight, Joe and Pam had their

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>third child, a boy. They named him Kobe, after the

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 1>famous beef of Kobe Japan. It was part of the

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 1>name of their favorite restaurant. His middle name was being

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:09.839
<v Speaker 1>derived from his father's nickname, Jelly Beam. But Joe never

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>really justified all the hoopla around him in Philadelphia. He

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>was never anything more than a bench player for the Sixers.

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy nine, they traded him to one of

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>the NBA's worst teams, the San Diego Clippers, who in

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 1>turn traded him in two to another of the league's

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:32.439
<v Speaker 1>worst teams, the Houston Rockets. That season was so bad

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>for Joe and the team that the Rockets owner offered

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>him a job afterwards as a salesman at one of

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the Guys Car franchises. Joe was just twenty eight, He

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>had a wife and three kids. Where was his basketball

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>career headed? As it turned out, he was headed to Italy.

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>A friend of Joe's suggested he go play in Europe.

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>He could make good money there, He could play the

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.919
<v Speaker 1>way he wanted to play. There, he could shoot whenever

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>he wanted. The Italian people would embrace him, they would

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>love him. So he and Pam decided that they and

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>their three kids, Shariah, Shaya, and Kobe, would go to Italy.

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Kobe was five years old. Here he is talking to

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Treatment about the move. I didnt know, just because

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>we were going to that's what did. Joe signed with

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.320
<v Speaker 1>a basketball club in Rea, a town on a hilltop

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>an hour north of Rome. It was a much more

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>relaxed style of life than in America. The team played

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>games once a week on Sundays. Kobe and his sisters

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>went to school six days a week, but just four

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>hours a day. The family didn't really know anybody there

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>and couldn't communicate clearly with many people. At first, the

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>isolation bonded them. It brought them closer together. Over there

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 1>were really by ourselves because we couldn't speak to the

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Italian language and didn't have a lot of friends with it. Friends.

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I had a bunch of sisters. There are my sholders.

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I went to them playing trouble. Maybe something in school.

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I had a problem school. I may company me. She

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 1>had a great good time to Gavin. That's that boy experience,

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and that boy time experience gave me. I like thinking

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>about the past a lot. I like thinking about Italy

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and all my friends down there. With a long way

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>I came to get to where I'm at now. That

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>keeps me going. I think it's always a motivating you

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 1>go back to your roots and see me you came

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>from Italy a whole in session. Yeah. Leon Douglas was

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>another American playing pro in Italy at the time. Douglas

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and Joe Bryant had met in high school and then

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:03.319
<v Speaker 1>reconnected in Europe. They eventually became teammates in another town, Thestoria,

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and their families became friendly. My wife and his wife,

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>they participating things together. Covid and sister used to babysit

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>my daughter and whenever the birthday, they would all be

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 1>together during the birthday situation. But the families was cold

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>because who was in a situation way with us against

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>them more or less. And uh then to Apafrican American

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>families were finished family in structures that we sort of

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>looked out for each other. Great. You know. Covid idolized

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>his father. One wing was his whole basketball game was

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:48.359
<v Speaker 1>basically Joe when Joe was young. You know, the way

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.399
<v Speaker 1>he played in the NBA was similar to the ways

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 1>that his father played when I played with the offensively,

0:39:56.480 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 1>especially because during Cole I get there in the fourth year,

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.359
<v Speaker 1>but I was watching him. I would always see him

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>do some of the things that his father did, like

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>a jump shot, like his drive and uh, a lot

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.239
<v Speaker 1>of old guys that was in Europe, they all called

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 1>him a little Jim because of some of the things

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 1>that he did, similar to his sponsor. One day, Kobe

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 1>accompanied his dad on a long bus trip to a game.

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>The two of them sat with Douglas for the ride.

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 1>That didn't happen often because the fact that we didn't

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>allow him young people to travel with, especially if it

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.479
<v Speaker 1>was over night game and this was the day game.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.760
<v Speaker 1>And why when while he was traveling, Joe started talking

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.280
<v Speaker 1>about his grandparents and I think one of his grandparents

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>who was a minister, and she prompt sized that that

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 1>was going to be someone in the family that was

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>going to change the whole family structure, that was going

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to do things but then family that had never been

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.760
<v Speaker 1>done before, and there was going to be a legacy

0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and in itself. And uh, Joe and I were talking

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and Joe made his coming. He said, well, he said,

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I know it's not gonna be mean because I'm in

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>un and uh, looking around, it's hard to figure out

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>who it's going to be. And uh and Coba was

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.240
<v Speaker 1>on the bus, and you know, he said, well, maybe

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:27.320
<v Speaker 1>his him. But Joe was unshum. But he did prophesize

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 1>someone that prophesized him that this person was coming that

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:38.320
<v Speaker 1>was going to change the family. Because of the pandemic,

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't able to travel to Italy to visit Kobe's

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>old stomping grounds, but what I did do was by

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a copy of Italiano Dinome Kobe, a book by Italian

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 1>journalist Andrea Barocci. The title in English means an Italian

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>named Kobe. Not too many people in the United States

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>have read the book, mostly because it's written in Italian,

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 1>but I have a longtime family friend who speaks the language,

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and she translated the whole thing for me. One thing

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 1>that comes through clearly in the book is the manner

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 1>in which Joe and Pam raised their kids. Kobe in particular,

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:23.439
<v Speaker 1>They disciplined him when it came to certain things, academics

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>being the big one. They sent him to private schools

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 1>while they lived abroad, but they indulged him when it

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>came to basketball. One day, when Kobe was nine, Joe

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>brought his son to practice with him, and Kobe got

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>up and started dribbling and shooting at the far end

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>of the court the coach. Joe's coach kind of laughed

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:48.240
<v Speaker 1>at and said stay seated. Kobe's response was four words,

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>fuck you, fuck you. When he played organized basketball himself,

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Kobe shot the ball more frequently than Joe did. He

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 1>shot at every time he had it. He might make

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 1>ten in a row, but the other kids wouldn't exactly

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 1>be thrilled with His grandfather back in the States would

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 1>mail in videos of basketball pros like Magic Johnson and

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Michael Jordan's, and Kobe would study

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>them with his dad, picking up moves that he would

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:22.439
<v Speaker 1>practice himself. Away from basketball, though, Kobe bonded not only

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:25.320
<v Speaker 1>with his family but with some of his peers in Italy,

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 1>especially with the children of his father's friends and teammates.

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the best example was Tamika Catchings, whose father, Harvey,

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>had played with Joe on the Sixers. Tamika, her sister Tauja,

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and Kobe became fast friends, walking around town squares, sharing

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 1>slices of pizza, playing soccer together, and as to mek Up,

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 1>her breasted in her own basketball career as she went

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>on to win four Olympic gold medals, a w NBA Championship,

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>and a w n B A m v P Award.

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:03.919
<v Speaker 1>She and Kobe stayed in touch. It's crazy to think,

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people were asked, just as far

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>as Kobe goes, a lot of people will ask what

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 1>was it like when we were growing up? And I'm like,

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>we were just kids. I don't think either one of

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:15.760
<v Speaker 1>us at that point in time, what have ever dreamed

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 1>about the role that we were in and just the

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 1>opportunity that we had, both of our father's playing being

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.800
<v Speaker 1>in a foreign country. I mean, it's not necessarily a

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:29.839
<v Speaker 1>typical life of any child, and definitely not for us.

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>But at the time, we're on and you know, my

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 1>father only played for a year, we moved back to

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the States, and then after that he moved back and

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I just remember at that point in time when he

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 1>got drafted, calling my parents like, this is the Kobe

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<v Speaker 1>that we were just in Italy was right? And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. So he went to the pros. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to college four years after that, went to the w

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<v Speaker 1>n B A and the rest of his history lives intertwined.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing about it, when you look at it is

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like a book. When you see the book

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<v Speaker 1>and you start filling it with the words and the chapters,

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<v Speaker 1>you've come just what's gonna be the storybook? In the

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<v Speaker 1>close one book, you start a new book. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>really for me. That's what I imagine. On Saturday May

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand twenty one, about a year and a half

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<v Speaker 1>after Kobe died, he and Tamika were inducted together into

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<v Speaker 1>the Nay Smith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the ceremony, Michael Jordan's held the hand of

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe's widow, Vanessa as he escorted her to the stage

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver a speech that her husband would have given.

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<v Speaker 1>If my husband were here tonight, he would have a

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<v Speaker 1>long list of people's saying that it helps inspire him

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<v Speaker 1>and equip him to be in the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>Family friends, mentors, the Lakers, teammates, muses and opponents. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the many hard parts about not having

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<v Speaker 1>him here. At the risk of leaving anyone out, I

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<v Speaker 1>can only say thank you to all those who helped

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<v Speaker 1>him get here. You know who you are, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thank you on his behalf. It was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect coda to Kobe's life, to all the choices

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe and Pam Bryant had made that had led

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<v Speaker 1>to this moment. It was supposed to be the perfect

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<v Speaker 1>capstone to the Bryant family's basketball legacy. Instead, it was

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<v Speaker 1>bitter sweet. Kobe was gone, and the people who knew him,

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<v Speaker 1>who cheered for him, who admired him, all they could

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<v Speaker 1>do was remember him as he was, remember the journey

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<v Speaker 1>he had taken that was supposed to lead to that night,

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<v Speaker 1>to that moment. That journey had begun across an ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>in another country, in the place where he had first

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<v Speaker 1>embraced basketball, and where basketball embraced him when he first

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<v Speaker 1>realized what he was born to do. He was so

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<v Speaker 1>young then, but he carried that understanding and knowledge with

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 1>him through every stage of his life. In a way

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<v Speaker 1>that is so rare, so impressive. He was able to

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<v Speaker 1>reach the kind of heights and to be the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of figure we see only once every few generations. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Bryant had been bitter about his career in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>He felt he got a raw deal. The team should

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<v Speaker 1>have recognized his talent and given him more of an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to put it on display, and he brought this

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<v Speaker 1>up to his son throughout Kobe's early life. That was

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<v Speaker 1>fuel to feed Kobe's fire. He wanted to restore his

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<v Speaker 1>father's reputation, his good name within basketball. He would do

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<v Speaker 1>what Joe hadn't done. He would bring it every practice,

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<v Speaker 1>every game, every day, every night. Kobe was determined to

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<v Speaker 1>be the player that his father should have been. In

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode, Kobe returns stateside and begins to conceive

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<v Speaker 1>of what he wants to do with his life. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you the story of how he

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<v Speaker 1>learned what he needed to do to get there. Who say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are not gonna win, and right, not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win it like it's a big deal. I can's money

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<v Speaker 1>with the mouth. That's next week on I Am Kobe.

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<v Speaker 1>I Am Kobe is a product action of the Version

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<v Speaker 1>Podcasts in association with I Heart Radio. This season is

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<v Speaker 1>written and hosted by me Mike Sealsky. It's produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob Bronstein and directed by Mark Francis. Story editing by

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob Bronstein, with editorial direction from Scott Waxman, Editing, mixing

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<v Speaker 1>It's at diversion Pods thanks to Orin Rosenbaum, Susan Cannavan

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<v Speaker 1>and Jeremy Treatment the Bob Flaw the Son. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to stand when I said to Brian is fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Never clack you out even where my work is done.

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<v Speaker 1>If they trying to block me, I might hurt someone

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<v Speaker 1>through the blood sweat and says we persefit, stay tilling it,

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<v Speaker 1>let it keep the hurses. And then if they don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe in themselves, they revert to find that the champion's heads.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm telling them, ask my am, this the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why my work so damn different. Cert the negatives. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't mist see me at the time, you can't listen

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<v Speaker 1>for where I'm gonna vote to play like cash is

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<v Speaker 1>see I pay my dudes because of taxes, gotta work.

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<v Speaker 1>I think can grind ahead of his time. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying that they made you. Don't tell them you create

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<v Speaker 1>yourself the besh you fin or watch us by this

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<v Speaker 1>by that time you gotta stay clock then break clock

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<v Speaker 1>break we create ourselves. Watch me Qua watch watch to

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<v Speaker 1>create myself. Exacli signs up. Create yourself, stay nice and

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<v Speaker 1>ain't go hard create yourself. You gotta learn from the

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<v Speaker 1>great minds that we ain't lying. To tell them that

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<v Speaker 1>anytime this town I wasn't giving it was d the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Any time I could change better tell them that I

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<v Speaker 1>made it back home. As I walked through the hearts

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<v Speaker 1>of the fame, I came from the valley of the Shadow,

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<v Speaker 1>with death waiting for us. Some spoons don't hold your breath,

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<v Speaker 1>sat Town sat trains. But I did it with less

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<v Speaker 1>I know one that to be so there's nothing to guess. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing to guess. It's our times. Something we up next.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't got any regrests. I did it with my

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<v Speaker 1>soon hands, and we never forgets my a bit. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason why my work so damn different to the negatives.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't listen see me at the time. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>listen for where, rebuild, reshape, give me your eye. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to risk take do it now. When I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>why waits, I was saying that they may you don't

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<v Speaker 1>tell them. You create yourself, then you Finn watch us

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<v Speaker 1>by it's by that time. You gotta snake clock, then

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<v Speaker 1>break clock, break we create ourselves. Watch me watch the

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<v Speaker 1>create my self exac client that clients I'm sell about

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<v Speaker 1>to create yourself. May nice and nays, go on, create yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta line for the great minds. But we ain't lying

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<v Speaker 1>telling next anytime, ye. Diversion podcasts