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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. It's the Friday edition of

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Speaker 2: Balance of Power. Boy, We've had a week around here,

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Speaker 2: but you've made it to the threshold of the weekend,

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Speaker 2: and we've got some smart folks to talk to you

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Speaker 2: about a number of stories that have developed over the

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Speaker 2: course of this day. Already beginning with, of course, the

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Speaker 2: manhunt in the shooting death of Charlie Kirk. It has

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Speaker 2: concluded with the arrest of a young man from Utah

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Speaker 2: named Tyler Robinson, and we're learning more about how he

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Speaker 2: was apprehended, how authorities found him, and the work that

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Speaker 2: is left here not only in chasing leeds, but also

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Speaker 2: in building illegal care. We heard from a news briefing

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Speaker 2: this morning a little bit more about this gentleman. Cash Buttel,

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Speaker 2: the FBI Director, spoke alongside the Governor of Utah, Spencer Cox.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to what he said.

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Speaker 3: Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson, who stated that

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Speaker 3: Robinson had become more political in recent years. The family

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Speaker 3: member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to

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Speaker 3: dinner prior to September tenth, and in the conversation with

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Speaker 3: another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU.

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Speaker 3: They talked about why they didn't like him and the

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Speaker 3: viewpoints that he had. The family member also stated Kirk

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Speaker 3: was full of hate and spreading hate.

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Speaker 2: Full of hate and spreading hates. Miles Miller has been

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Speaker 2: on this story for several days now, Bloomberg's National security

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Speaker 2: reporter and joins US Live with the latest on this

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Speaker 2: from World Headquarters in New York. Miles, we now have

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Speaker 2: a better sense the charges this young man will be

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Speaker 4: Right and AP is reported that he was arrested on

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Speaker 4: suspicion of capital murder and weapons offenses. Those charges have

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Speaker 4: not been confirmed yet. There are no charging documents yet.

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Speaker 4: I think, as we spoke about last hour, what happens

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Speaker 2: This young man was arrested after a family member alerted authorities.

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Speaker 2: He's basically turned in by his own family here, Miles.

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Speaker 2: If that hadn't happened, would this man hunt still beyond.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But it's clear that investigators were getting closer to him.

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Speaker 4: For starters, investigators had identified a gray Dodge Challenger that

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Speaker 4: what they would have done is run the license plate

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Speaker 4: So that I would mean that we would have an

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Speaker 4: to you about the timeline of how this all happened.

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Speaker 4: Nine o'clock in Utah is the time nine o'clock Eastern time,

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Speaker 4: Yesterdy about nine thirty. It was about eleven o'clock when

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Speaker 4: this suspect gets to his father's house. His father says

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Speaker 4: the youth pastor. And the youth pastor just happens to

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Speaker 2: That is remarkable, Miles. You also mentioned the fact that

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Speaker 4: Ahead, Because this is a suspect that was perennially online.

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Speaker 2: Got it. I'm curious if we know, did Dad know

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Speaker 4: And I mean it's just serendipitous that this youth pastor

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Speaker 4: The thing in sort of reporting out this story and

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Speaker 4: you know, the marshal remarked that of course, like Trump

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Speaker 2: Really fascinating, great work, Miles. Thanks to thank you for

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Speaker 2: lifting the valain the way this story came together. Bloomberg's

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Speaker 2: national security reporter Miles Miller. You'll be hearing and seeing

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Speaker 2: a lot more from Miles as we learn more in

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Speaker 2: this case. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us here on the Friday edition of Balance

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Speaker 2: of Power. We're balancing news on a number of fronts

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Speaker 2: here today, beyond the Charlie Kirk story and beyond what's

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Speaker 2: there with Congress, We've got our eyes on what's happening

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine in this announcement today by Russia that negotiations

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Speaker 2: President Trump says he's losing patients with Vladimir Putin, even

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Speaker 2: though weeks and multiple deadlines have passed since he indicated

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Speaker 2: that secondary sanctions would be implemented here, knowing that Alaska's

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Speaker 5: So is your patience run out with Putin? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 5: does take two to tango. It's amazing when Putin wants

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Speaker 2: Also, but there hasn't been any hitting, never mind hitting hard.

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Speaker 2: And that's where we start our conversation with Marl Rudman,

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Speaker 2: professor at the University of Virginia's Miller Center for US

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Speaker 2: Diplomat with US Live in our studio in Washington. Mar

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Speaker 2: it's great to have you back. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: I have so many questions about this, but I want

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Speaker 6: So I don't mean to smile this but and I

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Speaker 6: news flash to me, right, there's nothing to pause. And

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Speaker 6: in fact, what Russia has been doing steadily before the

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Speaker 6: And so I find President Trump's comments a little perplexing,

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Speaker 2: Well, how about the equivalent see there as well? It

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Speaker 6: Precisely, this is a both and situation at all, and

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Speaker 6: weakness is provocative. Well, and I think President Trump is

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Speaker 2: You remember Barack Obama's red line in Syria. That's something

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Speaker 6: I think the challenge we have is the distance between

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Speaker 2: Saw that carpet in Anchorage precisely. Let's talk about what

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Speaker 2: We have an article for incursion. The President was asked

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Speaker 2: and we know it. That's the statement. What does Poland

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Speaker 6: Well, Poland's been very current. I'm sure they're also very concerned,

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Speaker 6: So President Trump isolates himself in the United States when

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Speaker 2: We talked politics here in Washington, and if you've been

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Speaker 7: Joe, I think that the language of blame is what's

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Speaker 8: first from Cox and second from Kirk and stop trying

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Speaker 8: to demonize the other side, because that is exactly opposite

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Speaker 8: of what we need at this moment. And going forward,

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Speaker 8: and he should, as president know better. But today was

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Speaker 8: just depressing to me because it was another realization that

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Speaker 8: another person killed in acts of political vian ravaged both sides,

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Speaker 8: and he has yet to learn that lesson.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how I worried you both are

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Speaker 2: about retribution. Here interesting to see the comment from Jared Moskowitz,

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Speaker 2: the congressman said people are scared to death in this building.

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Speaker 2: He's referring to the US Capital, Lisa, where you used

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Speaker 2: to work. Two lawmakers moved outdoor news conferences indoors yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Alexandria Cossio Cortes Senator Reuben Diego rescheduled altogether events they

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Speaker 2: had planned for this weekend on security concerns. Capitol Hill

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Speaker 2: officials are now looking at a a review of members

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Speaker 2: security and there is a chance that senators, in fact,

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Speaker 2: one of the discussions happening right now is that senators

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Speaker 2: get personal security details that would cost a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: Lisa and we talked a lot yesterday about what would

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Speaker 2: be involved in making that happen, whether it should. I'm

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Speaker 2: concerned more about the mentality, though, the psychology that's being

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Speaker 2: felt among lawmakers and their staff on Capitol Hill. When

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Speaker 2: you hear Jared Moscowitz say that people are scared to death.

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Speaker 2: What's it going to lead to?

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Speaker 7: Well, unfortunately, it's going to continue to make it more

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Speaker 7: difficult for great Americans to run for office because at

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Speaker 7: a time when we need leaders more than ever before,

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Speaker 7: it's going to make it that much more difficult for

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Speaker 7: folks to stick around because there is a gigantic worry

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Speaker 7: for their own well being and their own safety, and

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Speaker 7: that I think is terrible for democracy.

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Speaker 2: If they're not safe, they don't feel safe, they're not

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Speaker 2: going to run. Genie, how concerned are you about.

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Speaker 8: Oh? Absolutely, you know. I'm a data person, Joe. So

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Speaker 8: we look at the data and what does it show.

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Speaker 8: It shows, number one, that violence begets violence, so we

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Speaker 8: will unfortunately likely see more of this. Another really important

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Speaker 8: thing it shows is that while violence is not yet

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Speaker 8: political violence, I should say, at the levels it was

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Speaker 8: in the sixties and the seventies, the seventies, mostly coming

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Speaker 8: from the left left, it is more lethal today and

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Speaker 8: political violence today is gun violence. That's the other thing

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Speaker 8: that the data shows. So if you want to address

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Speaker 8: political violence, part not the whole story, but part of

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Speaker 8: that story is addressing the ability of people who would

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Speaker 8: carry it out to access guns. So there's a lot

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Speaker 8: to learn from the data as it pertains to addressing this.

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Speaker 8: And again it's not just about gun control. We also

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Speaker 8: have to see in addition to protecting public officials, we

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Speaker 8: have to see some ability to regulate social media and

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Speaker 8: what is happening online. I go back to the fact

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Speaker 8: that these young people today grew up with Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 8: and they watched him die on their feeds and their phones,

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Speaker 8: whether they wanted him to wanted to see it or not.

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Speaker 8: We have to be able to address this as well

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Speaker 8: as what we're hearing was the radicalization that may have

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Speaker 8: occurred to the culprit who shot Charlie Kirk. All of

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Speaker 8: those things government can speak to and should speak to immediately.

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Speaker 8: And you know, Congress is really where that has to start.

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Speaker 2: Usually after a mass shooting or a major public a

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Speaker 2: tragedy like this, Lisa, there's a conversation at least for

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Speaker 2: five minutes about gun laws. Genie just mentioned social media

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Speaker 2: regulations or restrictions. I'm not hearing anything like that at

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Speaker 2: this point. Are we just too jaded to even go

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Speaker 2: there now?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's a little new, it's a little friend,

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Speaker 7: and it's the week of nine to eleven, and there's

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Speaker 7: a lot of other business to be done in Washington.

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Speaker 7: I'm not convinced that there won't be a conversation about that,

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Speaker 7: But unfortunately it becomes, again, Joe, a battle between right

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Speaker 7: and left and a battle between where can we meet

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Speaker 7: in the middle. And you would hope that this would

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Speaker 7: be an opportunity for us to come together. I mean,

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Speaker 7: we not only had a school shooting the same day,

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Speaker 7: we had lots of violent acts and other things that happen.

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Speaker 7: We need to have that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate both of your insights very much on this.

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Speaker 2: Lisa Kumusso Miller are Republican strategist. Jeanie Shanzino, our Democratic

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Speaker 2: analyst and Bloomberg Politics contributor. Thank you so much both

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Speaker 2: for your candord. Our conversation with Congressman Glenn Ivy, the

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Speaker 2: Democrat from Maryland is up next only here on Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: Stay with us on Balance of Power. We'll have much

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Speaker 2: Congressman Glen Ivy represents Maryland's fourth District, which I can

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Speaker 2: almost see from the roof up here our bureau in Washington,

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Speaker 2: d C. It's just across the river Oxen Hill. If

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Speaker 2: you've ever been to National Harbor, you know where Glen

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Speaker 2: Ivy does his work. And we've had a chance to

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Speaker 2: talk politics, talk about government funding and so many issues

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Speaker 2: with the congressman on this program. There's more that we

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Speaker 2: want to talk about today, and I want to just

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Speaker 2: give you quickly a little bit of background on this gentleman,

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Speaker 2: because the topics that we're going to get into are

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Speaker 2: very much in his wheelhouse. Glen Ivy was an assistant

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Speaker 2: US attorney in Washington, d C. In the late eighties. Washington,

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Speaker 2: d C. The same city that had federal troops and

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Speaker 2: federal law enforcement walking around for thirty days. He worked

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Speaker 2: for a US attorney in the District of Columbia back

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Speaker 2: then by the name of Eric Holder, who you may

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Speaker 2: have heard of. He also served as council for Senator

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Speaker 2: Paul Sarbines during the Whitewater investigations, and yes, corrept to

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Speaker 2: coordinate the Senate investigation into the suicide of Vince Foster.

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Speaker 2: I'm not done. Glen Ivy was also Prince George's County

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Speaker 2: state's Attorney and when he took office in twenty oh two,

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Speaker 2: there was a big conversation just like we're having right

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Speaker 2: now about crime statistics. At that time, Prince George's County

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Speaker 2: had the second highest crime rate in the state of Maryland,

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Speaker 2: and his two terms oversaw reductions in crime and led

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Speaker 2: to a number of reforms measures that included the addition

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Speaker 2: of cameras in police interrogation rooms. He also prosecuted police

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Speaker 2: officers accused of excessive force. And he's with us right

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Speaker 2: now in our Washington Bureau. Congressman Glen Ivy, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I could probably keep going because

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Speaker 2: you've got a really long resume here, but I want

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Speaker 2: to start with what we're talking about here in Washington

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Speaker 2: and now apparently in the city of Memphis. The deployment

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Speaker 2: of National Guard troops Memphis is next around this town

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Speaker 2: for a while. What have you seen work and not

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Speaker 2: work here with the federalization. Easy for me to say

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Speaker 2: of law enforcement in.

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Speaker 9: Washington, Yeah, I mean the point I've been trying to make,

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Speaker 9: and had been doing this when I was a local

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Speaker 9: prosecutor too, as you pointed out, is you know, you

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Speaker 9: need long term partnerships between state, local, and federal law enforcement.

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Speaker 9: The military is not helpful in this front because they're

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Speaker 9: not trained on how to help with civilian law enforcement.

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Speaker 9: So in fact, they can get in the way and

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Speaker 9: create problems. You know, for example, they're not trained in

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Speaker 9: how to do mirandized suspects or when you're supposed to

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Speaker 9: do it. They're not trained and chain of custody or

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Speaker 9: how to collect evidence, so you could actually have constitutional

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Speaker 9: scenarios where evidence gets thrown out in very serious cases

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Speaker 9: like rapes and murders. And the excessive force piece is

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Speaker 9: of concern too. So regular civilian law enforcements trained in

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Speaker 9: how to de escalate situations, and they've got alternative measures

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Speaker 9: just go to the gun. They've got pepper spray and

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Speaker 9: tasers and the like. The guys here in d C

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Speaker 9: and the where they're deploying him across the country are

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Speaker 9: carrying m fours in some instance, it's super high powerful

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Speaker 9: assault weapons that can really kill it with accuracy from

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Speaker 9: eight hundred yards. And so if you shoot somebody, even

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Speaker 9: if you hit the right guy first, the bull's going

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Speaker 9: to go through that person. And if you're in a

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Speaker 9: scenario where there's other people around, you could have innocent bystanders.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's why the National Guard troops have spent a

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Speaker 2: lot of time picking up garbage and doing other things

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Speaker 2: around here, running checkpoints and so forth. But DC's one thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're the federal city. The President's got a lot of

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Speaker 2: leeway here. What happens when you roll into Memphis and

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Speaker 2: a mayor who says you're not welcome, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: there's an issue there.

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Speaker 9: Chicago and Baltimore have raised concerns for the reasons that

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Speaker 9: we were.

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Speaker 2: Just talking about.

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Speaker 9: But I think and I think they're going to be

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Speaker 9: legal challenges if he tries to Yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 9: for sure. So you know, we'll see how it plays out.

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Speaker 9: But the bottom line, though is if you really want

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Speaker 9: to try and do things to reduce crime, I think

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Speaker 9: most of these cities would welcome like additionally, FBI Agency

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Speaker 9: ea at F to help reduce you know, the burdens

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Speaker 9: that they have on local law enforcement, local police, So

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Speaker 9: use the federal agencies, not the National Guard.

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Speaker 2: It's your point.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I used to do that when I

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Speaker 9: to do a wire tap. You got a long term

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Speaker 9: issue like that, we'd ask the FEDS to come in

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Speaker 9: and help, and they had the resources to do it.

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Speaker 9: Sometimes for long term prosecutions, there's something called RICO, which

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Speaker 9: is a specific federal statute you can use to prosecute

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Speaker 9: criminal organizations. We had one where we did it with

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Speaker 9: to bring down MS thirteen. The local US attorney at

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Speaker 9: that time was Rod Rosenstein, the guy who ended up

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Speaker 9: being Donald Trump's acting Attorney General for a time period.

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Speaker 9: But it was a successful joint prosecution. It was nonpartisan,

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Speaker 9: it was effective, and I think that's what these cities would.

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Speaker 2: Like to see from the federal government. Interesting. I'll throw

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Speaker 2: another blog on the fire here with regard to your resume.

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Speaker 2: You were also on the commission that invested Congressional commission

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Speaker 2: that investigated the attempted assassination of President Trump. We're dealing

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Speaker 2: with a heck of a story here, terrible tragedy with

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, and we have an arrest today. The President

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Speaker 2: of the United States announced the death and announced the arrest.

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Speaker 2: The FBI director at one point mistakenly announced that there

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Speaker 2: had been an arrest. What do you make of this

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Speaker 2: whole process so far? Cash Ptel says this was historic

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Speaker 2: thirty three hours and they've got a guy in cuffs.

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Speaker 9: I mean, look, I think it's important to not have

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Speaker 9: the political officials get too far out in front of

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Speaker 9: law enforcement, especially while the investigation's ongoing. I think the

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Speaker 9: local governor Cox, who is a Republican, was much more

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Speaker 9: restrained and also much more accurate. You know, when Patel

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Speaker 9: came out and announced they had a suspect and they'd arrested,

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Speaker 9: and then had to back up because it was an

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Speaker 9: incorrect statement, that's kind of embarres. But it also undermined

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Speaker 9: the ongoing investigation because people think, oh, they got the suspect,

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Speaker 9: we don't.

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Speaker 2: Have to keep looking around anymore.

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Speaker 9: Yes, right, So you know they should just tone that down,

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Speaker 9: let the investigation go forward. I know they've hollowed out

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Speaker 9: a lot of you know, experienced Department of Justice and

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Speaker 9: FBI agents.

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Speaker 2: They still have some talent, though there I'm sure.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, let those folks lead the way, Let the career

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Speaker 9: agents and prosecutors lead this step back politically, and let

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Speaker 9: that process go forward.

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Speaker 2: It's brought about a whole other conversation, and it's probably

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Speaker 2: a much more difficult and complicated one about political violence.

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Speaker 2: And this is something that you spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: time on with President Trump's case. When you consider the

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Speaker 2: other tragic events that we've seen over the past year,

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Speaker 2: the arson attack against Governor Shapiro, the murder, the shooting

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Speaker 2: deaths of two politicians, and the wounding of two others

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota, Nancy Pelosi's husband. You were reaching for greater

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Speaker 2: this now with new calls again for lawmakers like you

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Speaker 2: to get a security detail.

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Speaker 9: Well, one of the challenges there was that the Secret

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Speaker 9: Service was already spread spread too thin.

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Speaker 2: To Butler.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so you know, with respect to the president and

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Speaker 9: other presidential candidates, we wanted to focus the resources there.

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Speaker 9: But they also have executive protection when foreign leaders come

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Speaker 9: here to the United States, for example UN meetings, So

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Speaker 9: they're going to be challenges in giving all of us

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Speaker 9: that level of protection, and even for the president. You know,

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Speaker 9: there can be limits. But look, at the end of

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Speaker 9: the day, I think some of the immediate steps we

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Speaker 9: can take tone down the rhetoric. Let's come together in

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Speaker 9: a bipartisan way. That doesn't mean we stop disagreeing on

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Speaker 9: partisan issues or political issues or policy issues, but you know,

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Speaker 9: we don't have to sort of try and blame everything

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Speaker 9: on the other guy in a way that inflames people

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Speaker 9: who are at the extremes of the American political spectrum.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're seeing that already. If President Trump said it

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Speaker 2: that we need to beat the hell out of the

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Speaker 2: radical that was a direct quote from the White House

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Speaker 2: Friends this morning between extremism on the right, he said,

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Speaker 2: is just trying to stop crime. Extremism on the left

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Speaker 2: is causing it. You're right in the middle of this

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Speaker 2: Congress when some of your colleagues are rescheduling public events

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Speaker 2: and moving outdoor events inside for this weekend. How are

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Speaker 2: you feeling. Jared Moscow had said that everyone's scared to

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Speaker 2: death in that building.

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Speaker 9: Well, there's a lot of concern, for sure, and I

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Speaker 9: think you know, people are sort of thinking about are

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Speaker 9: there additional steps we could take, yeah, to protect ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Do you worry about retribution?

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, I was a former prosecutor, so you

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Speaker 9: know who knows. I guess is the bottom line on

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Speaker 9: that front. And a lot of times these cases, you know,

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Speaker 9: you try and look at the motives behind people who

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Speaker 9: were trying to shoot. Like the guy who and butler

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Speaker 9: who tried to assassinate mister Trump. I don't think it's

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Speaker 9: ever been really made clear fully what motivated him and

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Speaker 9: these A lot of these people have mental health issues, sure,

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Speaker 9: and so sometimes you know, we're not going to get

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Speaker 9: good answers.

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Speaker 2: Bottom line.

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Speaker 9: I think the key piece, though, is to try and

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Speaker 9: the Second Amendment, there's got to be a way to

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Speaker 9: keep these high powered weapons out of the hands of

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Speaker 9: people who have red flags and mental health issues.

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Speaker 2: Before you leave US, I want to ask you about

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Speaker 2: your plans for Monday to reintroduce the George Floyd and

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Speaker 2: Policing Act. This is the latest in a number of

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Speaker 2: attempts to see action here. Do you have the votes?

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Speaker 9: Probably not, but you know, we want to make sure

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Speaker 9: we try and push it forward. It's passed the House

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Speaker 9: twice before. And this is a tough era right now,

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Speaker 9: for example, with the Republicans controlling the House, the Senate,

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Speaker 9: and the White House and pretty much the Supreme Court too.

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Speaker 9: But I think it's important for us to make sure

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Speaker 9: we keep to push, you know, going, and also to

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Speaker 9: make sure that, as you know, the President rolls out

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Speaker 9: these militarized forces into cities, that we make sure we

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Speaker 9: remind his administration in the country that there's a right

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Speaker 9: way to do policing, that there are limits on, especially

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Speaker 9: for the use of force and the like, and we

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Speaker 9: need to.

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Speaker 2: Try and follow those constitutional limits.

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Speaker 9: No matter how you feel about what's going on in

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Speaker 9: a particular town, the Constitution always applies.

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Speaker 2: Glenn Ivy, great conversation. It's good to see you, the

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Speaker 2: Democrat from Maryland Congressman. Thanks for being with us as

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Speaker 2: always on Bloomberg TV and radio. Thanks for that. By

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Speaker 2: all means, we'll keep tabs on that legislation when it's

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Speaker 2: filed on Monday. Thanks for listening to the Balance of

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