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If you are a loved one. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.280 I have been heard at work for in a car 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.320 truck to write your accident called three one two six 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.200 million injury law made personal. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:29.680 That's aken law. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:48.520 From your favorite source for Chicago White Sox Talk, delivering news, interviews, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:53.120 analysis and more. This is The Sox Machine Podcast with 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.440 your hosts Jim Margolis, James Vegan, and Josh Nelson. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.720 Welcome to the Sox Machine Podcast. I'm your host Josh Nelson, 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.880 and we're recording this episode of Monday Night, July sixth, 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.920 twenty twenty six. I just got back from mini vacation 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.160 in Philadelphia where it felt like one hundred and fifteen 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:15.840 degrees a week before LB's All Star Game, so hopefully 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.240 won't be that hot for James, who will be in 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.800 Philadelphia covering the All Star game festivities for us at 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.080 Sox Machine. But the White Sox know who their all 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.720 Star is. Let's go to be Miguel Vargas. We'll talk 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.959 more about that later in the show. But for the 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:34.080 Chicago White Sox, what's a very tough and dare I 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.680 say intense four game series that they had against the 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:44.319 Cleveland Guardians gents in Cleveland and James, I'll start with you, like, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.480 what's your biggest takeaway from the White Sox splitting these 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:52.080 four games against the Guardians with. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.280 The nature of their offense, especially when they get going, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.800 and I think it's probably like a glass half full 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.400 look of that comes with like them winning the last 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.560 two games is like, man, when they looks like they're 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.760 playing up to like their level, it seems like they 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.440 have a level of like offensive firepower that the Guardians 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.519 can't match that. So the Guardians are obviously playing with that. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:17.079 Josara Maris and you know they played I think maybe 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.000 an over arching thing is like they've played you know what, 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.280 six one run games, five something in that territory. Like 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.080 mostly it just seems like they're very evenly matched. All 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:29.799 these games are going to be like battles and back 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.480 and forth. The Guardians have really given their bullpen like 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.400 a lot of trouble. They've clearly prepared for like what 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.360 they want to do against Grant Taylor pretty well. Uh, 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.840 in terms of what they want to sit on. It 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.080 still seems like and like if the Socks are able 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:51.120 to like at a deadline or you know, do something 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:54.680 to enhance the rotation or the bullpen, like, it feels 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.399 like they should be like a click away from being 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.920 more successful in the sense of like you can see 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.799 that like when they hit for power that that's kind 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.560 of like a level that the Guardians can't get to. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.480 That said, the Guardians have obviously like been successful at 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.720 getting them to not play that or not suppressing that, 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.720 so where they're not in that tour type of game 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:17.920 that often but certainly just as close as Sunday was 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.800 like just a seven to six ball game was like 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.760 not what they usually want to play against the White Sox. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.320 And I think at least in terms of like being 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.840 optimistic to them for the end of season, like seeing 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.080 that I guess was representative or at least encouraging to 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.680 some degree and not to like spoil another talking point 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:42.000 like later in the show. But like they certainly can't 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.480 handle Anthony k and they certainly, I think have a 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.080 limited weapons against left handed pitching, So like something like 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.240 ka nukom or just like adding another left handed arm 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.680 to the mix, whether it's a rotation or the bullpen 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.240 at the deadline, like is another weapon that would be 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.920 good against them. So I think mostly it's just kind 0:03:59.920 --> 0:04:03.800 of have been. These teams are clearly probably pretty eavily 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.880 matched or they're probably going to be like grappling in 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:14.680 anxiety inducing contests till the end. That said, like it 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.880 seems like a finished version of this White Sox team 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.000 when they're hitting at their best, like at least play 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.360 a type of game that the Guardians can't match. That said, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.880 like the Guardians have an awesome farm system their office. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.839 They're awesome at like run prevention. Maybe this time next year, 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:33.120 like Angel Nao and Ralphie Vasquez, you know, or Alaskaz 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.800 have you know, totally altered this conversation about how much 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.440 offensive firepower Cleveland has. And this is just a moment 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.040 in time, but so probably the safer thing to say 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.040 it is just like it looks like these are two 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.359 high eighties win teams that are going to like grapple 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.599 it out in ugly mud wrestling Ale Central type. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.200 Fashion out in the Warning Track in Cleveland, right, Jim, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.760 If they're going to be mud wrestling, that's will they're 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.160 do it. I still can't believe all the rank Cleveland 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.960 and how messy that situation the Warning Track was on Sunday. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.119 But Jim, what was your big takeaway from the White 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:07.720 Sox series split against the Guardians. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:09.159 Yeah, two. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:15.040 Guess incomplete rosters or rosters missing a big piece that's 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.279 like a defined part of their strengths. Like when you 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:23.400 know Murakami is out, you know it's one big missing cog, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.080 one less player that Will Venable has to worry about 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.800 replacing mid game, and so you know, the mixing and 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.400 matching can get like a little bit wonky when he's 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.680 not in there. Then you know, with the Guardians missing 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:43.360 Jose Ramirez and that feeling pretty uh present aside from 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.080 Stephen Kwan having a renaissance series against the White Sox 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.920 and and getting on base and working counts the way 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.360 that he hasn't for a lot of the season. Uh, 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.200 but yeah, two teams designed to drive each other nuts. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.920 I think, Uh, the Guardians typically more polish than the 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.720 White Sox, the White Sox showing an ability to overcome 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.360 mistakes the way they couldn't in previous years with a 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.080 little bit more firepower to where. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:07.920 They can't be counted out. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:13.159 So yeah, I don't see any reason why unless like 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.560 something hinges of the deadline where the White Sox decided 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.240 to really push for it and the Guardians you remain 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.960 conservative and Ramiro doesn't come back like himself to where 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.359 the White Sox can pull away like based on the 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.280 talent on hand, I think the Guardians formula is to 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.760 established to say that they will perform to the level 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.680 of their name brand value, that they always overachieve or 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.479 they always find solutions as they go with to fix 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:40.240 the plane in the air. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.000 But I think the White Sox. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.680 Are you know, they have a level of punch that 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.760 they haven't had before and a little bit more either 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:55.800 resilience or ignorance or depth just to be able to 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.440 shake off like two ugly innings. Like two ugly innings 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.760 defensively against the Guardians would have buried them like nine 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.159 to two in previous years, whereas they were able to 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.440 win that one seven to six, even though they gave 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.880 the Guardians like four or five extra outs. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.000 So I think that's something they can feel. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.320 Slightly embarrassed about but ultimately good about that they have 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.600 a little bit more resourcefulness than they haven't had. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.679 Yeah, I agree with you, Jim, because winning those last 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.840 two games I thought showed a lot of character for 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.160 this White Sox team, because in the manner that they 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.320 lost the first two, the walk off to run homer 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.560 by Brian Rochio off Grant Taylor, which that's who the 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.320 White Sox want, and the ninth inning they want Grant 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.160 Taylor to try to close that save. That's a heartbreaker. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.040 Then losing the next night, went ahead three to one 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.960 in ten innings, another heartbreaker. I feel like the past 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:56.160 three seasons of the White Sox version, Jim, they would 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.640 have been swept. They would have lost Saturday, and they 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.800 would have lost Sunday. And it's a big sigh. We 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.160 come into this episode talking about four straight losses. But 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.440 for this White Sox team to bounce back the way 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.000 that they did to win three to one behind Shawn Berke. 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.239 Phenomenal start by Seawan Burke to strike out eleven, didn't 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.320 walk any over six innings. That's exactly what the White 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.080 Sox needed to respond like that and to be able 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.840 to hold off the Guardians and score the. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:24.640 Game winning run. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.800 Even though it was ugly with one out and the 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.200 ball didn't leave the infield, they at least got that 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.839 run to grind that out and come away with a 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.520 series split. Leading the season series against Cleveland. Now that's 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.680 very important four games to three. I think that is 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:45.719 huge and feels more optimism that the White Sox are 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.640 just not going to fade this season. James, and I know, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.000 we bring up the All Star Game, and we bring 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.280 up the trade deadline coming up, and a lot of 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.840 those things overshadow the MLB draft, But the MB drafts 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.599 more of the future versions of the Chicago White Sox team. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.200 But I feel like some people around Major League Baseball 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:10.360 are kind of putting in side bets thinking that the 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:14.000 White Sox will fade. But after this weekend, as you mentioned, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.520 with the firepower that they have and just the amount 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:20.319 of youth that's on the team, I'm just not seeing that, James. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.000 That's my biggest takeaway from this weekend is the ability 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.440 for them to fight back get this series split just 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.800 gives me more optimism that They're not going to fade 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:28.600 in the second half. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.959 I mean they could. They're pitching is a little bit 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.880 like paying by a threat in some respects. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.839 You know, who is it in the American League, to 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:40.600 be honest with you. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.560 Yeah, I guess like my larger point is less like, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.400 oh man, this is such a rock solid team. There's 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.559 no flaws. Sure, no way I could see it falling. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:47.840 Part. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:53.920 It's more just like not seeing a huge like I 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.880 certainly don't like Detroit just had like one of the 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.960 best Junes of anybody or thirty games and there's still 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:06.080 like ten under five hundred. Yeah, Toronto has not look 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.760 like they have another gear. I don't think, like to 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.280 visit to Baltimore really like struck a lot of fear 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.319 in everyone's heart's about like that team getting together, Like 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.640 Boston's been better, but certainly is still a long way 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.800 to go, and you really don't know like when they're 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.040 exactly going to get like Garrett Crochet and Roman Anthony 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.920 back or and what sort of like shape that would take. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.200 Just not seeing anyone outside of Seattle in the als 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.040 and obviously they haven't been like great all year. Who 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.600 looks like I'm sure Texas like they're around. They could 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.320 be a possibility. I just don't see like this big 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.120 like ground swell of like AL teams they're about to 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.760 turn it on in some big way. Obviously could be wrong, 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.920 certainly not like Forever to go for you know, a 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.360 team like Toronto or Texas or Houston to catch the 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.679 White Sox and the wildcard race. But it just doesn't 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:06.679 feel like they're barely hanging on to some sort of 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.480 lead with like vastly more talented teams are going to 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.360 be pushing them down the stretch. That could change, but 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.240 like the Twins are one of the best offices in 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.920 the AL statistically, and it's one of the closest teams 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.199 to them, And like, I don't does anyone really think 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.760 the Twins are gonna take on like a big second 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.280 half lead, Like even directionally, it's more likely like the 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.280 big gesture they would have was be the stan pat 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.480 rather than add so right, I'm sure like that clip 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.080 would play great the Twins, like you know, play six 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.680 hundred ball down the stretch and like as they're announcing 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.160 they clinched like I got like put in a Guardian's 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:46.600 montage in twenty twenty two at some point. But it's 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.000 more just like not seeing right now, like which team 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.280 is gonna like catch this like new level play, and 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.839 like really like push them all the way out of 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.040 the playoff pictures. There's more why I think. I think 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.680 they look as good as anyone as far as like 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.600 that mix of teams. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.040 The Yankees lost seven in a row, so I mean, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.280 I can't even figure out them, or like the good 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.920 teams the Rays are again the Rays like they're like 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.400 maybe a level up on the Guardians to where you 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.600 just trust that they're gonna be ninety ish wins no 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.120 matter what kind of talent they have at any given time. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.320 But yeah, the Yankees basically turning a three game or 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:23.840 four game lead into a three game. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.440 Deficits over the course of two weeks. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.839 Even that division, which I felt like I had somewhat 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:29.920 of a handle on, I don't. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.760 So yeah, it's it's a mess. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.880 Hell, the White Sox will taking advantage of it, which 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.719 is great to say that White Sox are on bar 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:44.959 with the Guardians. That's that's great from a White Sox perspective. Nobody, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.480 I don't think even us, anyone that covers the White 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:51.720 Sox was expecting that in twenty twenty six, so len Caster, 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.480 I thought it put it well in the radio broadcast 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:59.160 to clinch the victory on Sunday, a series split that 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.080 really feels like a series win for the White Sox. 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.880 Now to get into the nitty gritty because some of 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.840 the things that we saw in Cleveland are going to 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.160 impact this upcoming homestand for the White Sox before the 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.040 All Star break, and the All Star break is coming 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.520 at a much needed time for many teams around Major 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.560 League Baseball because we are seeing pitching staffs and bullpends 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.360 just being gassed right now. And when we did our 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.160 preview of this series in our previous episode, we talked 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.800 a lot about on how will Ventable would use Grant 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.480 Taylor and Sean Newcomb. We knew that if the White 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.439 Sox we're gonna split the series or trying to win 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.720 this series, that those two would have to come through. 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.960 And James, I feel like we saw the best of 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.720 Grant Taylor and Shawn Newcomb in this series, and also 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.680 the hiccups that sometimes happens in just the game of baseball, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.880 even if you are a very good reliever. And I'm 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:56.319 wondering because we saw the hiccups early in the series 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.600 for both Taylor and Newcom, but they were able to 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.800 both ounce back. Taylor closed the win on Saturday. Newcomb 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:09.280 closed the win on Sunday. Can relievers build off good 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.959 performances or is that just really like starting pitchers that 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.599 get into rhythm and relievers just have to men in 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.480 black themselves and stare at the lights and wipe out 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.720 their memory just to get ready for the next day. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.040 I think certainly when you establish like what things work 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.160 or what keys like get you in the right place, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.400 I think that builds, you know, momentum, or at least 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.240 could like allows you to string together consistent outings for sure. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.120 I mean Newcomb's outing where he gave up the walk off, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.840 like he gave up two ground balls or three ground balls. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.520 It wasn't like a man what's broken here type of 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:46.720 outing a little bit whereas like I just thinking, granted, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.560 Taylor is like a little bit similar to Sir Anthony 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.200 Amingas where he's just like it's just super long, like 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.360 he gets so much extension. It's just like a very 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.600 long delivery, and like it can be difficult for the 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.080 time up. And I think you see him like I 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.880 mean and like his frame for a little bit, and 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:07.000 it's about like one just how overwhelming he is or 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.200 just how quickly he snaps back into control that you 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:10.760 know he can kind of get out of it a 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.280 bit more. I think Newcomb has been pretty consistent, you know, 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.680 throughout the season, or certainly the most consistent believer they've had. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:22.200 And if anything, I just with both of them, like 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.080 because Tailor's like in unprecedented workload territory for him, just 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.760 because like his professional career has been so short and 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:30.760 Nucomb as much as he like said he did it 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.560 last year, Like what he's doing is hard. There's a reason, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.560 like not a bunch of other earlievers are just logging 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.800 like ninety five inning seasons all the time, Like it's 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.960 kind of a season like uh Mike Assel had last season. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.120 And then obviously like that comes to some physical wear 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.640 to it. So the idea that he'd be erratic at 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.560 all while he's just like on a ninety five inning 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.440 pace I think is like I think we've gotten less 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.040 than but he would be understanding allotted as far as 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.160 like oddings where he looked off like there's so much 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.840 horizontal action on those pitches, like he really has to 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.640 like if he's like if his targets are off, like 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.640 it's going to miss by a lot a little bit, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.640 And in terms of what he's setting, like he's really 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.520 got to like if he wants to like paint that slur, 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.240 he's really gonna be like trusting it to bend from 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.200 like the left handed batter's box a lot. So yeah, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:25.840 I think there's gonna be I don't think like I mean, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.160 Taylor's obviously had some high profile blow ups and like 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:33.120 he's getting like the highest the most dangerous part of 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.720 the batting order in the most like high leverage moment 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.040 of the game like all the time. Like that's kind 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.600 of like the trick of being more open minded about 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.160 where the leverage opportunities are is that they've managed to 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.560 make your top reliever's job even harder than it was 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.720 when he had the pitch ninth inning every single time. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.800 So yeah, he's had some profile and that I wouldn't 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.720 say like he's been more erratic than like your typical 0:16:55.760 --> 0:17:00.440 high leverage like good high leverage believer in something like 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:01.960 crazy way. At least it's not in like a Sir 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.720 Anthony way where like I've seen him be like this 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.560 guy needs get moved out of spot, like he's he's 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.680 had some rough outings, but I generally like have thought 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.920 like this guy looks really good even when he's struggling throughout. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.000 So I think it's more about depth of options when 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.919 one guy looks off or just like not having to 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.320 work guys like as hard in a single series when 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.480 you have like both your best leverage options are also 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.600 these multiinting weapons that you want to get two innings 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.080 out of every time, like a three game series when 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.159 you have a couple of close games and it like 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:34.800 can get kind of hairy of how you want to 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:36.520 use them, and just like more options to get a 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:41.159 single inning when they need it. I think it's really 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.040 what like is needed for this bullpen, like at the 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.000 deadline in a way that could maybe make the inconsistencies 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.800 of any one guy a bit more easy to deal 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.399 with and without being like I feel like it's more 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.440 structurally addressing the bullpen than like figure out what's going 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.400 on Grant Taylor week to week when I think he's 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.760 going through like a normal amount of variance a guy 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:01.720 in his first full season. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.560 No, those are good points, James and both Grant Taylor 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:11.040 and Sean do come deserve a much needed day off. 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.760 But to bigg back off, James point, do the White 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.680 Sox need to find a third option. Let's talk about 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.679 what was originally designed as the first option. And I 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.480 think when you look at this four game series, Jim, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:29.480 like Trevor Richards got a lot of innings, Chris Murphy 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:34.359 got a lot of innings. Sir Anthony Dominguez a third 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.639 of an inning. One appearance, he got one out on 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.880 sixteen pitches. That's the only time we saw him in 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.879 these four games for the White Sox. And he had 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.560 an opportunity to help out and to steal that win 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.679 on Friday and just couldn't get the job done. And 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.160 now I'm wondering, Jim, I'm just gonna put it out there. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.880 Maybe I'm off base, but I feel like that there 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.960 is a trust issue between Will Venable and Sarantony Domingus. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.920 I can't blame Will for having trust issues with Siranty 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.040 to Dimingus. I think every White Sox fan at this 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.879 moment has trust issues with Sirante to Domingus. But I 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.800 don't know in how the White Sox move forward right 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.440 now with his struggles other than well, if the White 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.640 Sox are down four in the eighth inning, here comes 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.840 Sirante Domingus. I feel like that's also not a great 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.600 time to use him as well. So I don't know 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.560 how the White Sox move forward right now with this 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:28.600 sticky situation. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.720 Yeah, I mean it's a it's a trust issue, just 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.159 I guess it would be more that Domingas hasn't been 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:39.600 trustworthy and so Venable. I think if maybe he's handling 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.840 a little bit awkwardly, you know, it's a big salary, 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.480 I guess, and he does. You know, he's trying to 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.120 be delicate about it. But also if you're so delicate 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.040 about it, it makes it sound like he's not willing 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.439 to acknowledge it. And so it's maybe not a trust 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.360 issue so much between Venable and Domingos, but maybe could 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.520 lead to a lack of trust between Venable and the 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.800 fan base or who's watching the game to kind of 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.040 understand to think along with him. And I think, you 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.160 are you seeing the same thing we're seeing, And. 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:11.760 I think he's trying to be delicate about. 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.240 It, but yeah, it is reaching a point to where 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.399 you know there needs to be something more definitive like 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.600 you tried to get a sixth ending appearance. It kind 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.439 of worked, but then you know, it didn't get him 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.720 back on the bike exactly. He toppled over his next 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.080 chance where he could have really. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:25.760 Impacted a game. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.840 So it is getting awkward, or it has gotten awkward, 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.560 and it does feel like the White Sox have a void. 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.480 And you know, I was thinking about what James saying 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.280 about Taylor and that you know, he's kind of occupying 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:44.640 the role that Pedro Ruffoll gave to Reynaldo Lopez and 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.879 Michael Kopek in terms of, you know, you're the best reliever, 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:49.639 You're always facing the best part of the lineup, And 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:54.720 I think it makes sense in isolation or like say 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.920 in Big Series against Cleveland Direct, you know, competitors, But 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:00.840 I also think like the one of the benefits of 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:06.560 having the traditional seven eight, nine, one inning PERU reliever 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.360 setup is that you do give some guys some breaks. 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.080 Like the closer isn't always facing the toughest situation. 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.399 Oftentimes he's facing the bottom. 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:20.080 Of the order, but the you know, the the margin 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.119