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Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome back to Sean Heyday Show. This is Jordan Secuel.

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Speaker 1: I'm the executive director of the Americana Seri for Law Justice.

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Speaker 1: I co host that secular broadcast each day of the

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Speaker 1: week as it's doing in Eastern time. You can find

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Speaker 1: out again about us at ACLJ dot orgon. We're thankful

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Speaker 1: to Sean at his team for letting us host the

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Speaker 1: program today. We are joined by a great friend of

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Speaker 1: ours here. We're Titnesseans, so we know a Seder of

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Speaker 1: Marshall Blackbird very well. But we know all of you

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Speaker 1: across the country know her well because she doesn't do

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Speaker 1: just a great work for those of us who live

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee as one of our US seditors, she does

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Speaker 1: great work for the whole country.

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Speaker 2: She really does. And Senator thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 2: This is Jay and I wanted to start. You have

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Speaker 2: been on this from day one, and this is this

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Speaker 2: bizarre relationship and control factor that the Chinese Communist Party has.

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Speaker 3: With this administration.

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Speaker 2: I mean to me, it's I could go through the

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Speaker 2: list from the cultural centers to the Confucius centers, to

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Speaker 2: what's going on, to the buying the farmland, and this

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Speaker 2: is something you have been very concerned about it. You've

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Speaker 2: said that President Biden has let communists China act without consequence.

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Speaker 2: How I think the American people need to know how

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Speaker 2: serious this threat is from China.

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Speaker 4: I think this is a very serious threat from China.

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Speaker 4: And as long as Joe Biden and his administration continue

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Speaker 4: to let the CCP take off on this course, then

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Speaker 4: they're going to do it. They feel like this is

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Speaker 4: a week President he has compromised, He is somewhat beholden

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Speaker 4: to them, and they are trying to push forward with

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Speaker 4: their global dominance. They want to be globally dominant by

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Speaker 4: twenty fifty. They are pushing, you know, we call them

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Speaker 4: down about the Confucius Institutes. Now we find out that

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Speaker 4: they have these surveillance centers or police stations on US soil.

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Speaker 4: We look at what they're doing in Cuba and how

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Speaker 4: they're pushing into the Western hemisphere, which would give them

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Speaker 4: a priority position if there were to be their attack

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Speaker 4: on Taiwan. And they in turn want to get into

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Speaker 4: our signals, our communication, things of that nature. So we

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Speaker 4: should be taking this aggression by China very seriously. And

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Speaker 4: the fact that you've got Janet Yellen and John Carey

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Speaker 4: their separate agendas climate change. When you are looking at

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Speaker 4: this threat, the bullying of China, the human rights abuses,

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Speaker 4: what they are doing to the wiggers and to the Mongolians,

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Speaker 4: the Tibetans, the Hong Kong freedom fighters, how they're bullying

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Speaker 4: is something that this administration should be holding China to account,

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Speaker 4: just as you had President Trump holding China too account

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Speaker 4: and saying don't go there, don't do this. If you do,

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Speaker 4: there will be hell to pay.

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Speaker 5: You knowsider, Blackbird.

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Speaker 1: Something else is very concerning are these reports that keep

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Speaker 1: coming out about Cuba agreeing to host it basically a

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Speaker 5: It's a repeat again.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a disaster situation and another diplomatic failure

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Speaker 1: or failure of US leadership, where Cuba feels emboldened to say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we need the money. We're still isolated,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to take the money from the Chinese

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Speaker 4: Well, that is precisely get And you know there are

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Speaker 4: reports that this there has been China participation in Cuba

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Speaker 4: for some time. Everyone knows that they have been kind

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Speaker 4: Cuba is broke, and just as you were saying, Jordan,

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Speaker 4: they need the money, they need the investment. They're trying

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Speaker 4: get it. And so what do they do. They're turning

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Speaker 4: to the Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party and saying,

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Speaker 4: all right, we will give you access to our ports.

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Speaker 4: We will give you the ability to put a naval

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Speaker 4: forward with your surveillance and your training center. Keep that

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Speaker 2: You know, Senator, One of the other aspects of the

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Speaker 2: I go back to that spy balloon. This administration let

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Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party fly a device over our military basis,

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Speaker 2: and then shot it down when it passed Myrtle Beacher Hilton.

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Speaker 2: And you talk about no consequences, Let's talk about that

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Speaker 3: Back to China.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. The White House after a citizen

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Speaker 4: Then finally they have to admit that it's there. Now,

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Speaker 4: the other thing was you had them say, well, we'll

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Speaker 4: shoot it down when it gets to the Atlantic. Well,

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Speaker 4: how did they know it was going to go to

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Speaker 4: in on what did they know? Why did they allow this?

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Speaker 4: What was there any type of agreement? And I got

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Speaker 4: to tell you, I just you cannot trust what they

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Speaker 4: really frustrate the American people with getting to what true

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Speaker 4: information is there is a lot of hypocrisy here. They

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Speaker 4: the other deals that in the involvements of the Biden

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of laughing and a lot of joking

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Speaker 1: about serious stuff like national security. If you can get

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Speaker 1: that powder in, what other powder can you get in?

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Speaker 1: And why is that not being detected? The issues that

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Speaker 1: that have happened, and you hope that they're getting reconciled,

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Speaker 1: but then maybe not. I do want to switch just

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Speaker 1: and you've got colleagues on the left. They're not happy

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Speaker 4: Well, they do have a disagreement. And of course my

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Speaker 4: are going to rule their way on decisions to stay. Well,

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Speaker 4: You do that in the legislative branch. But you do

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Speaker 4: not want the judicial branch making rulings from the bench.

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Speaker 4: That is not their job. That is not what they're

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Speaker 4: checks and balances equal justice for all, But you know,

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Speaker 4: I wish our friends on the left would move back

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Speaker 4: to treasuring and wanting and pushing for that equal justice under.

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Speaker 2: The law, equal justice under the law if it happens

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Speaker 2: Which brings me to a point, and that is this.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this earlier in the broadcast. The bid

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Speaker 2: the scale of free speech by going to the social

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Speaker 2: viewpoint based discrimination.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: Most of the viewpoint discrimination cases at the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: it seems to me, Senator, that the binding mission and

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Speaker 2: they've now canceled their meetings with these social media companies

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Speaker 2: idea that the government's telling private companies to not put

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Speaker 2: the very definition of viewpoint discrimination and censorship. What do

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Speaker 4: One of the things that we need to realize is that, yes, indeed,

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Speaker 4: you have Judge Doty they're in Louisiana who came forward

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Speaker 4: and said, White House, you cannot do this. Now. A

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Speaker 4: couple of things that we're going to be able to do.

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Speaker 4: Number one is looking at big tech in their Section

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Speaker 4: this playbook that they've had of intimidating the social media

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Speaker 4: This White House was pushing to directly censor these components,

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Speaker 3: You know, we're fighting with them.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they're going to take it on appeal the

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Speaker 1: This is Jordan's second We've got a lot coming up

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Speaker 1: You know, we were talking with Sanatavarshah Blackburn about of

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Speaker 2: Rogers also a well known conservative and constitutional lawyer. Roger,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Saichilo here, Roger, let's talk about that there's been

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Speaker 6: It is a concerted effort because the left had the

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting here, Jordan, is when the left

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Speaker 1: Give ut whether or not the judicial philosophy of how

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Speaker 1: they got their matters. But I do think it shows

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Speaker 1: you the less judicial philosophy, which is outcome based.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is out there.

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Speaker 1: They come up with something, they make something constitutional based

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Speaker 1: off they like the outcome or not not based off

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Speaker 1: the process.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so when you follow the law, sometimes you

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Speaker 2: get a result that you you know, may not be

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Speaker 2: the best you don't think the best policy decision. But Roger,

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Speaker 2: when we're dealing with the law and we're dealing with

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Speaker 2: the constitution and presidential authority, that case I think got

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Speaker 2: it exactly right. Also, the president didn't have the authority, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Nancy Pelosi acknowledged he didn't have He

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Speaker 2: acknowledged he didn't have it earlier on. So now he's

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Speaker 2: blaming the Republicans. But how about the significance of the

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Speaker 2: student dead case.

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Speaker 6: It involved the Major Questions doctrine, and that is something

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Speaker 6: that is exceedingly important because it says that Congress is

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Speaker 6: the one that has the power to make these major

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Speaker 6: economic and political decisions, not their agencies, and certainly not

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Speaker 6: the president on his own. This is reigning in an

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Speaker 6: out of control president who apparently he learned for Obama

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Speaker 6: the pen and the phone tactic that you really don't

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Speaker 6: need the law. He's got his own pen for executive orders.

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Speaker 6: He has his own phone. He could order by a

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Speaker 6: wave of a hand that four hundred and thirty billion

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Speaker 6: dollars million dollars billion dollars of student loan funds. Excuse me,

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Speaker 6: a million million can be wiped away simply by his

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Speaker 6: own say so, right, And I'm sorry. He does not

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Speaker 6: have that sort of power. It requires congressional action, the

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Speaker 6: Major Questions doctor.

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Speaker 2: And he knew he didn't have that power. Roger, he

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Speaker 2: knew he didn't have that power. He said it, Pelosi

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Speaker 2: said it. They all said it. This was they played

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Speaker 2: politics with this. That's what happened here.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to since they were okay with this outcome,

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Speaker 1: because they can then take it to voters and say,

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Speaker 1: this is the evil Supreme Court, try to take away

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Speaker 1: your money.

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Speaker 2: Roger Sevarino, thanks for being with us again. Roger does

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Speaker 2: great work over at the Heritage Foundations. We've got a

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Speaker 2: lot of good friends there. Roger, thanks for being with

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Speaker 2: us today on the shown Annity Show.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much, very good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think too the idea it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: be because Roger Court, by the way, yeah this say

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Speaker 1: can but he oversaw the Civil Rights Division at ATHS, which

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Speaker 1: is very different under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 5: That is under a Trump administration, uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, weaponized against the pro life community right now

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Speaker 1: when they were trying to reel in a lot of

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Speaker 1: that and also religious liberty. It's interesting to me that

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Speaker 1: those two religious liberty cases did not get quite the

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Speaker 1: attention that they use. I think the left they messed

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Speaker 1: that up significantly with Justice Barrett, which she was Judge Barrett,

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Speaker 1: and since then, I think they are afraid of getting

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Speaker 1: involved in too many religious discussions because they.

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Speaker 2: Remember deep within you Justice that was a senator of

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Speaker 2: Feinstein and so talking about her Catholic faith, and that

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Speaker 2: was basically the senator raise politics, and so I think took.

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Speaker 1: Your economic relief. But the fact is that Congress can't

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Speaker 1: pass your economic relief. So that's why you're not getting

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Speaker 1: the student loan forgiveness is because Congress won't compromise.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what's interesting about that? You said that about

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Speaker 2: the religious liberty case. You used to be When a

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Speaker 2: religious liberty case came out, it was the big news.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think you just hit on

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Speaker 2: something there, Jordan. That is, since the attack on Justice

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Speaker 2: Barrett's faith, I think the left is even nervous about

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Speaker 2: bringing it up. So the case comes out for creative

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Speaker 2: the creative designer, nothing happens. The other religious liberty case

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Speaker 2: comes out. Everybody's expecting there's gonna be this, you know,

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Speaker 2: big tumult that was on.

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Speaker 3: It was Nina Zero.

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Speaker 1: I really realized, Yeah, some of those cases are not

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Speaker 1: even controversial at the Supreme Court anymore.

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Speaker 5: With a very divided court.

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Speaker 2: They are afraid to address. I think, look, they overplay

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Speaker 2: their hand politically. But folks, here's the thing you need

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Speaker 2: to understand. They will attempt to pack the court if

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Speaker 2: they had control of the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 1: It's not since that were I'm making an issue. They

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Speaker 1: have the authority to do it. Well, they do have

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Speaker 1: the they have.

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Speaker 5: The votes to do it.

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Speaker 3: Constitutionally they do.

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Speaker 2: They have to do it statutorily, but they have the

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Speaker 2: authority to do it. So that's why we have an

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Speaker 2: Office of Government Affairs at the American Center for Law

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Speaker 2: and Justice that fights for you every single day on

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Speaker 2: Capitol Hill and fights on issues like judicial packing and

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Speaker 2: packing the Supreme Court very important. Jordan heads up all

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Speaker 2: of that work as executive director of the a c LJ.

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Speaker 2: But you've done a special effort on really building our

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. We have an entire team of Washington

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Speaker 1: That's a government affairs team that works side by side

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about an issue that is it's

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