WEBVTT - Selects: Genghis Khan: Madman or Genius?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, it's me Joshum. For this week's select, I've

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<v Speaker 1>chosen our really great episode on Genghis Khan from back

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<v Speaker 1>in June of twenty eighteen. He's maybe one of the

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<v Speaker 1>more misunderstood characters in all of history. He's certainly one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most significant. I mean, how many individuals can

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<v Speaker 1>you trace a portion of the global population to? Not many,

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<v Speaker 1>I can assure you anyway. I hope you like this episode. Enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 1>sitting across from me, it's Charles w. Chuckis Chinkis Bryant.

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<v Speaker 2>And sitting to your right is ghost producer Casper Nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Ramsey, guest producer Ramsey. We've got like all

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<v Speaker 1>these new guest producers coming on, hot and heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry, she had to leave today and I think everyone's busy,

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<v Speaker 2>and so someone came in.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a distinct lack of interest I picked up on.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, remember the days when people used to jump at

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to sit in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Now they're like I've got to mail something.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. It used to be like, oh, my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry's gone, let me do it, let me do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they grew up, Yeah, and then they grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in Now we have our little uh dunking bird to

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<v Speaker 2>peck the key, Yeah, the r record button.

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<v Speaker 1>Just going back and forth thinking about where its life

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<v Speaker 1>went wrong. Just us, just Us, Chuck and a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named ginghis Dingus Cohn, Do you pronounce it Dingis or

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<v Speaker 1>ginghis or Chingis?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you being serious?

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not Dingus, but I've also seen it

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<v Speaker 1>spelled in a way that would suggest you pronounced it Chingus.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, I think I have heard that, But we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to go with the unerual Genghis pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, although his uh what was his birth name?

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<v Speaker 1>Timujin h doesn't even Ging's kind isn't even his real name, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>so calm down. It's temujin or temujin.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. Did you see that statue?

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it before. Yes, it's enormous.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen in person?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I've not yet been to Mongolia.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something else, man, Well one day though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know it's it's the world's biggest equestrian statue,

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<v Speaker 1>and with good reason. It's like forty meters or one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty feet tall. Yeah, that's an enormous statue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty impressive whether whether you're on a horse or not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a big old statue, right, sure, I almost didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say old. And I think it's made of like two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty tons of stainless steel, which means it

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<v Speaker 1>rinses clean really well.

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<v Speaker 2>And it looks like I saw the wide shot, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look like one of those. It's you know, surrounded

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<v Speaker 2>by burger kings.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of land around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Mongolia has a lot of land, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>undeveloped plan from what I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was an interesting one because depending on what

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<v Speaker 2>kind of historian you are, he is a either a

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<v Speaker 2>revered mastermind or scorned butcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Butcher, yeah, I know, he's actually I think both well

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<v Speaker 1>of course. But yeah, there are definite camps for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Like like a lot of people i've seen him called

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<v Speaker 1>the pro ginghist camp, the pro g Yeah, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're all about like all the cultural transmission that

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<v Speaker 1>happened under his his rule, yeah, or all of the

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<v Speaker 1>all the new innovative laws or religious religious tolerance was

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<v Speaker 1>another one. Yeah, and yes, you like all that stuff happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not in dispute, Like there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things that we'll talk about that were really positive. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's also directly response for the deaths of about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five million people the antig over a twenty five million,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five year period. That's a ridiculous amount of death

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<v Speaker 1>of people who had Genghis Khan not been born and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, decided to lead a conquest, would probably otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>not have died violently. That's a big mark in his

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<v Speaker 1>favor or against him. Well, my morality just switched off

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<v Speaker 1>there for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got the pro G, the anti G, and

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<v Speaker 2>the ally G. Right, it's the third camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I missed that. Oh it's good stuff, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But they tried to bring it back, remember, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, was there a part two two point zero?

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the problem. They didn't do new stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just him introducing old stuff, and it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we want more new stuff. We've all seen this old

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<v Speaker 1>stuff a bunch. It was like for a month on FX.

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<v Speaker 2>But they shot new hosting segments.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that were like fifteen seconds long.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically they said, Hey, Sasha Barrit Cohen, how'd you

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<v Speaker 2>like to make another x amount of dollars by showing

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<v Speaker 2>up for a day.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you like to do the ALIG version of

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<v Speaker 1>sysk selects.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, yeah, all right, I'm not gonna examine that one

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<v Speaker 2>too closely.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so we're talking about Alig, I mean Genghis Khan.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, and just some large statistics right off the

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<v Speaker 2>bat as far as his his influence, well, not his influence,

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<v Speaker 2>but his rule in sheer numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the reason we're still talking about him,

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<v Speaker 1>not just because he killed so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, agreed. By the time, you know, of course, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>knows he was a great conqueror who just kept branching

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<v Speaker 2>out further and further. And this is how far he reached. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>in modern day terms, he would reach Austria.

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<v Speaker 1>Austria, he banged on the door of Austria. Yeah, his

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<v Speaker 1>son did.

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<v Speaker 2>Just get out a world map and look at where

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<v Speaker 2>Mongolia is, So Austria, Finland, Croatia, Hungary, Poland, Vietnam, Burma, Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>and Indonesia twelve million contiguous square miles, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>size of Africa. Again, amazing Yeah. And then to put

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<v Speaker 2>that in context, you know, the great Roman Empire that

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<v Speaker 2>was about half the size of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Roman Empire was half the size of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It took them four hundred years to amass that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty five years, Genghis Khan had an empire the

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<v Speaker 1>size of Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then at the time, the population in the

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<v Speaker 2>world was about seven billion people and the Mongolian Empire

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<v Speaker 2>was about three billion of that. So it's just astounding.

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<v Speaker 1>It is astounding. And to put it in like true

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<v Speaker 1>cultural or true historic context at the time and say,

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<v Speaker 1>like the early early thirteenth century, the mongol were the Mongols,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of nomadic tribes, tribes on the steps of Mongolia.

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<v Speaker 1>China was a well established and fairly advanced patchwork of dynasties.

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<v Speaker 1>You had like Europe growing in the they were in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages, but they were like the Renaissance is

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<v Speaker 1>coming not too long. You had the Native Americans over

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<v Speaker 1>in America doing their thing, Africa doing their thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's all these different things going on in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, this

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<v Speaker 1>tiny little bunch of people who aren't even in agriculture,

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<v Speaker 1>take over Eurasia in twenty five years out of nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>and kill thirty five million people out of nowhere. It'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like if Polynesia suddenly rose up and took over

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<v Speaker 1>the Americas in twenty five years. They just assembled and

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<v Speaker 1>said we're taken over, and they were just so ferocious

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<v Speaker 1>that America just didn't even know what to do and

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<v Speaker 1>was overrun by them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there their rule was not long lasting for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the reasons that there's a lot of ironies,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of the reasons that they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to spread so fast ended up being their undoing.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is all just set up fodder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we haven't even gotten into it yet, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's do start, Okay, sure back in uh people

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<v Speaker 1>think the best guess is probably I think eleven eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw there was a kid named Temujin eleven sixty two,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, and he was born in a place called

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<v Speaker 1>well along the Onon River near Ulla Batar, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a great name, but that's the capital of Mongolia.

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<v Speaker 2>There's five a's in that. That's a lot of a

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot of a's.

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<v Speaker 1>And this this kid this Temujin who would grow up

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<v Speaker 1>to be ginghis Khan was not Genghis khm material from

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<v Speaker 1>the outset.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he was. Well, he was a middle brother, and

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<v Speaker 2>apparently both younger and older brother out shown him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was very much the jam Brady of his family.

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<v Speaker 2>He was because apparently little brother was a much better

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<v Speaker 2>athlete and a better you know, arrow shooter or I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you would call them archers, kind of better at everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and then his older brother picked on him. He was not.

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<v Speaker 2>He was illiterate. He wasn't like formally schooled or super smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, But I mean, in his defense, neither were

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<v Speaker 1>most of the people he knew or sure lived on

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<v Speaker 1>the steps.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not like his two brothers like got their doctorates.

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<v Speaker 1>Their PhDs and kicking butt.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's true, but he was there. I mean, reading

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I knew more about this, this whole era,

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<v Speaker 2>because it sounds like it was just a crazy time,

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<v Speaker 2>especially over there, where people would be like, if I

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<v Speaker 2>want something, I'm just gonna go take it. Yeah. If

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<v Speaker 2>I want that tribe gone, I'm gonna go kill them.

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<v Speaker 2>If I want those ladies and her children, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to kidnap them, and that was just sort of how

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<v Speaker 2>the land was ruled. Yeah, it was kind of not chaos,

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<v Speaker 2>but just brute force.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawless.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty lawless.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were you were loyal to your tribe or

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<v Speaker 1>your clan, and your tribe or clan was nomadic and

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<v Speaker 1>you live by the horse, and yeah, you you There

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of war between these tribes on the steps,

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<v Speaker 1>like like you said, kidnapping, like you would kidnap your wife.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you got your wife? Was you go kidnapper

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<v Speaker 1>from another tribe and be like you're my wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's how his mother came about, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's how he came about. Well, his father kidnapped

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<v Speaker 1>his mother. His father was the chief of his tribe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what's his father's name? Ya Sugi nice? And Yesugi

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<v Speaker 1>kidnapped hou Hulun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of umlauts in there. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how the umlaut represents Mongolian dialect.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're going to do a German style. So her

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<v Speaker 1>name is Loon.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that pretty German merty crue?

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<v Speaker 1>So she was kidnapped and this is the thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>I have no context to put this in. If this

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<v Speaker 1>was a common thing, was she like, I'm being kidnapped, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I guess I'm eighteen now or something like. This

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<v Speaker 1>is just a normal course of events for so it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't impact her, I don't know, or is that just

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<v Speaker 1>a ridiculous thing to even think? And like, yes, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were kidnapped and taken from your tribe and made

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<v Speaker 1>to be some dude's wife unwillingly, it doesn't matter where

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<v Speaker 1>it happened or when it happened. It was a horrific experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was. I mean, I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>that and just sort of the way it was. Women

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<v Speaker 2>were just had no recourse or say in anything at

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was both.

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<v Speaker 2>But like I think I know what you're saying though,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, she had these children and they were

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<v Speaker 2>a quote family, but what does you know, what does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean in that context?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Is it a family if mom's like looking for

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<v Speaker 1>an escape route, right the whole life?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah, either way, it was not like people recording

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<v Speaker 2>one another back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So yes, Sugi right, that's what we decided on. Yes, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Sugi was the chief, like I said, of the clan

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<v Speaker 1>of the tribe, very powerful dude, and he was poison

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<v Speaker 1>Actually he died by poisoning when Temujin was nine, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was bad news for Timogen, his mom and his

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<v Speaker 1>two brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were just sort of kicked out of this

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<v Speaker 2>new tribe. And I'm not sure why. I guess because

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<v Speaker 2>he was the son.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Yeah, they didn't want anybody being like, oh, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I'm the rightful heir, right, I should really

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<v Speaker 1>be the chief of this tribe. I'm very surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't just kill all of.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, yeah, because that's kind of the way it usually went.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, they were kicked out, So he had a

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<v Speaker 2>rough childhood. They were not They had to scavenge for food.

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon it toughened him up a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 2>as our article points out, that it kind of gave

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<v Speaker 2>him a will to and probably ticked him off. So

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<v Speaker 2>he had anger and will, vengeance and vengeance all rolled

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<v Speaker 2>up into one, which says a lot about like the

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<v Speaker 2>man that he would become.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for sure. So he and his family make

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<v Speaker 1>it so, not all of his family. There's a story

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<v Speaker 1>called the Secret History of the Mongols, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>written in about twelve forty, so, shortly after Genghis Khan's death.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know who the author was, but that's the

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<v Speaker 1>primary source for most of the auto or the biography

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<v Speaker 1>of Genghis Khan. They know a lot, a lot because

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<v Speaker 1>somebody sat down and wrote this. We'll see eventually why,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's where we're getting all of this information, which

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<v Speaker 1>is also why if you listen to the history of

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<v Speaker 1>Genghis Khan, a lot of it sounds like a string

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<v Speaker 1>of fables and tails wrapped, for sure, but historians tend

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<v Speaker 1>to think that there's some some kernel of truth or

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<v Speaker 1>just outright truth to most of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we take a break, Yeah, all right, we'll take

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<v Speaker 2>a break and we'll talk about what young Timojin was like.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So we said that he was a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a cry baby, got picked on, wasn't very athletic

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<v Speaker 2>or strong, but he had charm, he had chutzpah, he

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<v Speaker 2>had charisma.

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<v Speaker 1>And a little bit of moxie.

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<v Speaker 2>And definitely you gotta throw in some moxie. And apparently

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<v Speaker 2>he was able through his charisma to talk people into

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<v Speaker 2>helping him out, and that became sort of a trade

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<v Speaker 2>through his life. And they give a couple of examples.

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<v Speaker 2>One time he was going after a horse thief and

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<v Speaker 2>he just ran upon a stranger and kind of convinced

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<v Speaker 2>the guide to not only give him a horse, but

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<v Speaker 2>to help him out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he really attracted people into his orbit from what

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. Yeah, he was like like Gilbert Godfrey.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because I knew I was trying to think

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<v Speaker 2>of someone legitimately, and I knew that you were headed

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<v Speaker 2>down a different what else. There was another time that

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<v Speaker 2>he had a bride to be or maybe I think

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<v Speaker 2>he was married and she was kidnapped, because that's how

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<v Speaker 2>it went, And so he went to the leader of

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<v Speaker 2>another tribe and said, hey, take this sable skin. It

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<v Speaker 2>was one of my wedding gifts. Yeah, he was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>impressed apparently because he helped him rescue the wife and

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<v Speaker 2>then pledged his allegiance to him as an ally for life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he said, not only am I going to help

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<v Speaker 1>you get your wife, You're going to go on to

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<v Speaker 1>do great things and I want to be there with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Love me. So there's just tons of stories like that,

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<v Speaker 1>like early stories where like he was held prisoner by

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<v Speaker 1>he was kidnapped himself and escape by beating the guy

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<v Speaker 1>watching him with a wooden collar that he had fastened

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<v Speaker 1>around his neck. There's just tons of stories like that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you put it together, you can kind of see

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<v Speaker 1>this guy develop over time, right, sure, but eventually you

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<v Speaker 1>probably right, yeahs. As he grows up and develops, and

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<v Speaker 1>more and more people kind of come into his orbit

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<v Speaker 1>and want to help him out, he starts putting that

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<v Speaker 1>that charisma and that vengeance to I guess productive use,

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<v Speaker 1>and he assembles like his own tribe and other tribes.

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<v Speaker 1>He starts align with other tribes, and the tribes that

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<v Speaker 1>don't go along with it, he slaughters in war, and

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<v Speaker 1>he would he was known for having like an eye

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<v Speaker 1>for other talent, which would aid him tremendously throughout his

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<v Speaker 1>years as a conqueror. But for example, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>a good enemy soldier, and he noted that in battle,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a good chance that you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>end up a field commander on his side. After the

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<v Speaker 1>battle was over and he beat your your guys. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually a story where his horse was shot out

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<v Speaker 1>from under him, and after his group won the battle,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mongols won the battle, he wanted to know who

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<v Speaker 1>shot that arrow, and the guy on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>stood up and said it was me. And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you your name is Jebbe now, which means arrow, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to become a field commander for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>he went on to be one of the best he

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<v Speaker 1>ever had.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was like, is he messing with me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that was pretty par for the course with him.

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<v Speaker 1>And so through these actions he started assembling like an

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<v Speaker 1>army and became the leader of the steps.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and people like you said, if they challenged him,

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<v Speaker 2>they were squad. He had a surrender or die policy,

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<v Speaker 2>which apparently if you literally did not fight and you

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<v Speaker 2>were just like, okay, we're all yours, apparently he was

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<v Speaker 2>okay to you. He wasn't known for torturing people. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if he you know, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to say he was kind to them, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think he kind of wanted his subjects to be

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<v Speaker 2>happy and productive. So if they didn't fight him, he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, all right, you're you're part of the big

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<v Speaker 2>extended Khan family.

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<v Speaker 1>Come here, come here, you thank you for your kingdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Although he isn't con at this point. Still.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that didn't take place until I believe twelve six.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's when they the Mongol tribes all got together.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a great assembly called Kurilai, and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, you're the man, You're Genghis Khan. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we are all on your team because quite frankly, we're

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<v Speaker 2>scared of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was like, hey, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so ginghis khan. They think the khan means ruler. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>indisputably Genghis. They're not one hundred percent sure what they

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<v Speaker 1>meant by it, because it can mean ocean or just

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<v Speaker 1>so they think. They were saying, like supreme, like the

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<v Speaker 1>leader all the way to the ocean, sure, and then

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<v Speaker 1>then you run into to Triton. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>mess with him, right, but up to Triton's area, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is the leader. So that's what they meant by

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<v Speaker 1>like ocean leader.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't Aquaman. No, So they're unified now, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said I have to, like, I have to assemble a

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<v Speaker 2>nation here. I've got all these tribes. I want a

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<v Speaker 2>unified people. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a big move.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, and it was a smart move. And all

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<v Speaker 2>these old clans got together, people that were enemies joined forces.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they became you know, best buds

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<v Speaker 2>or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one of the things they did is they renounced

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<v Speaker 1>these old rivalries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They they stopped warring with each other, they stopped robbing

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<v Speaker 1>one another. Yeah, and they started identifying not as these

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<v Speaker 1>individual clans but as Mongols.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like strengthen numbers. I think they realized this

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<v Speaker 2>could benefit us, all right, if we're one big, powerful group.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But numbers is relative though, man like Sure, from

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<v Speaker 1>what I saw at its peak, the army of Genghis

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<v Speaker 1>Khan had about one hundred thousand men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is peanuts.

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<v Speaker 1>It is pea nuts. So why were they Should we

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<v Speaker 1>get into why they were successful yet or this? Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>why were they successful?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? A few reasons. Probably one of the biggest is

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<v Speaker 2>is these dudes could ride horses and shoot arrows like

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's business. Yeah, they were incredible. They had an incredible cavalry.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one of the first that whoever wrote that

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<v Speaker 2>article you sent that one historian he was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he pointed out that he he realized that that

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<v Speaker 2>the cavalry didn't need to be followed by an infantry,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a huge advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in battle you needed far fewer guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just get everyone up on a horse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>They were incredible archers. They could their accuracy was unmatched.

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<v Speaker 2>They could fire an arrow apparently like over three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>yards accurately. These horses were awesome. They were grass fed,

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<v Speaker 2>they could live off the land. They had this armor

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<v Speaker 2>that was really lightweight and flexible. So you know, at

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<v Speaker 2>the time they were fighting people and much heavily armored apparel.

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<v Speaker 2>So they they were they could move around better, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on their horses. They were firing arrows, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>these little short swords, and they had this thing called

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<v Speaker 2>they hooked lance. And they're like a lance is all right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's cool, I guess to poke someone off a horse,

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<v Speaker 2>but what if you can poke them or grab them.

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<v Speaker 2>So they added a hook to the land. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>very simple feature and it really changed things. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like a modern evolution and weaponry. So these are just

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<v Speaker 2>a few of the reasons. One of one of the

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<v Speaker 2>others is tactics and strategy. He would scout out before

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<v Speaker 2>battles for weeks. Sometimes he wouldn't just go as like

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<v Speaker 2>as brutish as they were. They would spend a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time doing research and spying and really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out a game plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Like like if they were going to sack a city,

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<v Speaker 1>like they knew where the trade lot or the supply

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<v Speaker 1>lines were, sure, escape routes, you know, all that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, all the stuff you need to notice. Saca

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<v Speaker 1>city one of the other things. So part one I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it called a quantum leap in military strategy and technology. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the first thing. The other thing is something

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>you touched on earlier. Or they're surrender a die policy. Right,

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 1>So their military prowess combined with their tactics and their

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<v Speaker 1>policy of if you don't just say yes, that's fine,

0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>we don't want to fight, we're gonna kill everybody, just

0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>about everybody. And they were actually pretty smart about it too.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd find like the skilled craftsmen in some cities and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to spare your life because you're now a Mongol.

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.359
<v Speaker 1>You got to move to Mongolia, by the way. But

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<v Speaker 1>they would just kill so many people that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of historians have tried to figure out why were they

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<v Speaker 1>so ferocious, And there've actually been a number of theories

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<v Speaker 1>that have been put up. One is so apparently so.

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<v Speaker 1>Genghis Khan was a He was into shamanism, that was

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<v Speaker 1>his religion. But he was like fervently religious about shamanism,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was like a great god of the sky

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<v Speaker 1>who I think is analogous to Vishnu maybe in Hinduism.

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<v Speaker 1>And this god supposedly gave him a vision that he

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<v Speaker 1>should become conqueror of the world. And so some people

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.119
<v Speaker 1>have said, well, you know, if you opposed him, you

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 1>were opposing as god, and so there was no room

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>for that, and that's what made him so ferocious. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>the best explanation though, is that if some if like

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<v Speaker 1>one of their one hundred thousand horsemen, died, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal, right, So to save their numbers, they

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>were better off not fighting. So by slaughtering an entire city,

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 1>that word about that gets around the area. So when

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>those guys show up to your city, there's a pretty

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 1>good chance that if they say surrender or die, you're

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 1>going to surrender. And so the Mongols didn't have to

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:43.919
<v Speaker 1>sacrifice a single person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also get the idea. I mean, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about his major sieges, but he also had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of smaller skirmishes with just kind of regional

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<v Speaker 2>tribes I think, and I got the idea that he

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't send all his dudes in there. He would send

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<v Speaker 2>in a small amount of people as possible, right, because

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<v Speaker 2>they were so fierce and good at what they did,

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 2>he didn't need to. And then that also reduced the

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<v Speaker 2>chances of loss of life, I guess.

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 1>And then so the smallest units, those that one hundred

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand man army boiled down to units as small as

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.439
<v Speaker 1>ten people. Yeah, that was the individual unit was a

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>ten person cavalry group. Yeah, and yeah, you could just

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>say send five groups in or a thousand groups in

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:28.640
<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go. And he would also he would

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<v Speaker 2>also as he went he would pick up whatever weaponry

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.439
<v Speaker 2>and tactics that other armies used and use those. Because

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 2>one thing that was pretty clear in reading this, Genghis

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Khan did not like walls in walled cities.

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I saw that too.

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>It ticked him off, especially for some reason.

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Why would you do that?

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:56.280
<v Speaker 2>No, so he you know, he got catapults and things

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.719
<v Speaker 2>like that, and he would you would do some awful

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 2>things like with ladders and cattle bolts. He would fling

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 2>diseased animals like that wasn't I don't know, he wasn't

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>the only one to do that. But uh, some of

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 2>this seems like Lord though. The thing with the cats

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and the birds.

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he told one city that he'd spare them if

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>they gave him a thousand cats and ten thousand birds.

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 1>And they gathered up their ten thousand birds, which I

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 1>guess they had in the thousand cats, and gave them

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>to him. And then he set the cats and the

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 1>birds on fire and flung them over the walls to

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>start fires in the city.

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Well supposedly, kid Cotton, Oh got you to them and

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 2>set them on fire.

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Well that's much better, but I'm sure the fire spreads.

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>It does seem apocryphal.

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if I believe that.

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Apocryphal. By the way, I just learned in like the

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>last year or so means that word made up.

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>You didn't know that's you never heard the word or no.

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Plenty of times I just didn't realize. I always assumed

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>it meant like biblical and end of time. Oh, interesting,

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:54.880
<v Speaker 1>because it's resemblance to apocalypse. I've got one more for you.

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 2>What's that?

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I just this week learned what coude gras actually means.

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought it meant like the cream of the crop,

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the ultimate it's the death blow, like there's nothing after

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 1>it not because it's the best, right, because you just

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>had your head cut off.

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Coup de Grass. Yeah, yeah, the Final Blow.

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Just learned that this week.

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I knew that. You know, A word

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I used to always get wrong was dubious?

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you think about pot?

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Yeah, can you score me some dubious?

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever listen to Funk Dubious? They were like

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 1>this rap group from the nineties. Yeah, I remember they

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>were great. They were they All they want to do

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>is have fun in the midst of like the whole

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>gangster at Funks.

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 2>You remember that? Yeah, boy, they they just went away.

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard that name.

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And I think they had like one album and that

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 1>was it.

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 2>What was their big hit?

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember, but but it had to do with pot.

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Probably, so all right, So he's got Mongolia pretty well

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>taken care of it.

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Wait, what did you think dubious meant? I made a

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>joke instead of letting your answer.

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't I don't remember what I thought it meant.

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 2>But I think I just used to get it wrong.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>We'll go back to Funk dvs.

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>So he's got Mongolia pretty well under control, and he

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>is insatiable though, Genghis Khan is. He starts looking around

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, China is big.

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 1>You look pretty pretty pretty.

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 2>And I think even though they are wealthy and tough

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 2>and have a lot of dudes to fight, I think

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I can take him because I'm Genghis Khan.

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Which is a nutso thing to say at that time. Sure,

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>especially depending on which of the dynasties in China you

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 1>were talking about, because I think there were at least

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>three major ones.

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's like all of them, let's just go one

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>at a time.

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's what he did.

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what he did.

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 1>He started with the and there's I'm sorry everybody, I'm

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>having trouble keeping up with all of the names, but

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the ten Goods.

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Kingdom of ji Jia is how I would

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>probably pronounce.

0:28:56.080 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>It, right, dixiea chang No, yeah, thinking about that.

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Jija, yeah, Jija and the Tanguts. And I think this

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 2>was sort of a test, his biggest test militarily at

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the time.

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was. He'd been fighting other tribes on the

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>steps to consolidate them and killing off the resistors. They

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't have cities. The Tangats were the first ones that

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>he encountered that had like cities with walls that were

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>fortified that he needed to figure out how to lay

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>siege to.

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he did, to the point where the king

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>finally said, all right, you were my master. Here are

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>my troops, and here's the princess bride as well, right,

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 2>because I've heard you get around.

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Genghis Khan said, as you wish, that's right,

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>isn't that what he said?

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I think?

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 1>So? Okay.

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>So the next he said, all right, how about this

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 2>other region, the Chin Kingdom, And he faced a seventy

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 2>man army and it said virtually wiped it out in this.

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Article, so he's working his way up here now.

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>So he actually hit the Chins twice from what I understand,

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>and this How Stuff Works article says it happened in

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, so I'll bet the Chins were quite surprised

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to see Genghis Khan show up five years ago.

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wonder why. I mean, it says that he

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>came back and got a bunch of silk and gold

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and got a bunch of engineers. I wonder if that

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 2>was the purpose of that mission. Maybe it was like, hey,

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we properly rated them.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because this was two years after the first one.

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's all. It was that he wanted some

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>more silk and gold.

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And again appropriating weapons like crossbows, catapults, and because it's China,

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>early versions of explosives.

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Right, And so he's using all this stuff. He's not

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>married to just the hook poll in, just the saber.

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>He'll try out anything he sees works, right. Yeah, So

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>he's knocked out the first two dynasties, he's brought them

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>under him control. He now controls a significant portion of China,

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>all of the steps around Mongolia. Yeah, and he's got

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>his sets, his sights set on the biggest one of

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the three, the Jin dynasty. Yes, and he actually got

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>in contact with them, or else they got in contact

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>with him first. But the emperor of the Jin dynasty,

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>this is an advanced civilization at this point, very wealthy,

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe the most advanced and wealthy civilization on the planet

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>at the time, maybe. Ginghis Khan is a backwoods redneck

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>horse rider who just happened to get lucky a couple

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>of times, caught the other two dynasties slippin'. That's what

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the emperor of the of the Jin dynasty is thinking.

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's thinking, you're going to be my slave.

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, He's like, you've done pretty good, kid. I'll tell

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>you what. I'll let you. I'll let you look over

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>my land in the south. You'll be my vassal. And

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>here here's the princess bride. I hear you like him.

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it did not work out that way.

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>No, it didn't. He actually successfully defeated the most advanced,

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>wealthiest society on the planet at the time, the Jinns.

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yep slaughtered thousands and thousands of people.

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Well that's how you do it, I guess. And these

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 1>three campaigns, these are huge, enormous campaigns. China was extremely

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>populous at the time, and the number of people who died,

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>most of the people who died under ginghis Khan's rule

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>through war and conquest happened during these three China campaigns. Yeah,

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>about thirty about thirty million people died. And this is

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>over I mean ten years, I think, less than ten years.

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think.

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>So it's nuts man.

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he wanted to continue going, I guess. West

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.719
<v Speaker 2>twelve nineteen. He made his way through modern day Central

0:32:56.760 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Asia like Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and the Shah Muhammad there

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>said he killed an ambassador that they had sent forward

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>from a trading caravan, and he had a big walled

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 2>city and he's like, I'm going to be fine. I'm

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 2>not sweating this guy, right, And he burned the city

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>down Genghis Khan did and including a thousand of the

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 2>soldiers who were in a mosque hiding out, killed about

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.959
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand people. But of course, like you said earlier,

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>he spared the skilled craftsmen and workers, right.

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>And this is the Karsam Quaras and didn't even practiced

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>this one, the Karism quarism. I think so empire, which

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>it's capital city that he sacked, is now in Uzbekistan.

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>But I've seen it called mostly like Afghanistan Iran for

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the most part. This is the area it covered, Iran

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 1>is what I see it mostly compared to these days.

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and things are starting to get a little out

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 2>of hand at this point, and it's basically sort of

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>due to the fact that there was he went too far,

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.359
<v Speaker 2>there were too many people, too much land. When you

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 2>control your I think that the guy who wrote that

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>article you sent said that they weren't producers of anything,

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the Mongols, yeah, right, or tradesmen.

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>They were conquerors. That's it.

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's not like you got to diversify.

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>From what I understand, they didn't have a written language,

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>they didn't do anything. They just conquered people and took

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>over your land and then leeched off of you.

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is a good skill to get going. But

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>if that's all you can do, I think he likened

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>it to a shark needing to feed, like, eventually you

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>run out of lands to conquer, and then in the

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 2>interior it's such a huge corporation at this point it

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 2>gets unwieldy.

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>So Genghas kind of recognized this. At some point. I

0:34:56.640 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>saw that he had basically a chain range of heart

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>about agriculture, about walled cities, about a sedentary lifestyle, and

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>I think he mostly saw like, oh, you can make

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>way more wealth this way. So he turned from conquering

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>as much toward figuring out how to administer this area

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>that he conquered. Again, Eurasia is conquered, it's under this guy's.

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>This guy's had never never been united before and hasn't

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:31.840
<v Speaker 1>been united since, even under Soviet Soviet rule. The Genghis

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Khans Empire was bigger than that, right, and so he's

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.879
<v Speaker 1>put it together and he's like, what do I do now?

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about that after this message. How about that?

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, chuck, So Genghis Khan has conquered your Asia and

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 1>said what now? What now Eurasia? What do you guys

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.760
<v Speaker 1>want to do now? I'm done with killing? Not really?

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Well he died, yeah, I guess that's right. Yeah, And

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.320
<v Speaker 2>this is no one knows quite how he died. Still.

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Some people say he had a fall from a horse

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and was injured eventually died. Other people said it might

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 2>have been typhus. There are a few other theories floating

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 2>around out there, but.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like shot in the knee with an arrow is

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>my favorite. Yeah, which I guess just well, infection, I

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>would die from pain. Yeah.

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting though. In August of twelve, twenty seven, when

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 2>he was on his deathbed, like one of the last

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 2>things he did was say, you remember the Tanguts, go

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>kill all of them.

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>That's what he did. I think they were the first

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>people he conquered, right, They were the Jija people.

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, the first people in China and when he went.

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>To go go attack the kar Zem Empire. Yeah, he

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>demanded that they send some troops as reinforcement, and they

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>said no. He defeated the Koora Zem and turned around

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and went right over to Jija and was like, you

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>guys are your toast. You're in trouble. And that was

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>his last act as a living person.

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He was succeeded by one of his son, Ogadai.

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Who took that stuff all the way to Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Yeah, he hit a bunch of sons, and I

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 2>guess we might as well talk about his lineage. It's

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>very famously the Genghis Khan. I mean, what is it

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 2>like one of every two hundred men, something like.

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Zero point five percent of the total global population is

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>directly descended from him. That's amazing, It's amazing and gross.

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:03.720
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of people.

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was about sixty five ish when he died,

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 2>and no one knows where he's buried. No, because they

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:13.880
<v Speaker 2>killed everyone on the way to the funeral.

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>That's one. And then also they rode over his grave

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>with horses. I looked up. Do you ever grown Cora? Uh?

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Sure, every now and then.

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>It's great man. Yeah, like you can you can usually

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>tell who knows what they're talking about. Of the answers,

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the multiply and frequently it's most of the people. It's

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 1>a very it's a good serious like, it's a good

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.439
<v Speaker 1>place to get info that you should then go double check.

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I agree though, it's not like the old

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 2>days of what was the Terrible one years and years ago,

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 2>where you would ask a question, yeah, who questions? Yeah,

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 2>probably are you out here?

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something like that, Yeah there, And there are a

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of platforms like this. This is a pretty good

0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:58.359
<v Speaker 1>it's not corrupt yet, how about that?

0:38:58.600 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think Korra is pretty good.

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Actually, so I want to encore this one's you can't

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>really look up. But this one guy two people like.

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>The question was why was ginghis Khan buried in secret?

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I think? And two people said they didn't want his

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>grave robbed. Sense They wanted to make sure that the

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.359
<v Speaker 1>transfer of power to his son was complete, so they

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 1>had to keep his death of secret. That makes sense,

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>YadA ya da. This one guy said, don't be idiots.

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 1>He was a little arrogant, but he said, like, don't

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 1>be idiots. Ginghis Khan was a shamanistic person, religiously fervent.

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:34.959
<v Speaker 1>He would have gone one of two ways. They would

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 1>have cremated him and just spread his ashes, or they

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.839
<v Speaker 1>would have done a sky burial. Remember we talked about

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>those before, where they just left him on the mountain

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 1>side for the vultures to pick over. They it wouldn't

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.279
<v Speaker 1>have buried him with grave goods. He would have been

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>embarrassed with that. So he's the only person I saw

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:55.320
<v Speaker 1>say something like that. But it gave me pause. It

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 1>made me wonder if the hidden grave is just, you know,

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.840
<v Speaker 1>just more lore about Genghis Khan and off the mark.

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>Interesting. Yeah, well, his legacy looms large still, not only

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 2>in his his lineage, from his loins.

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>His overactive loin just leeching out goop.

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But depending on who you're talking to, well, he definitely

0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:29.280
<v Speaker 2>did some things. He opened up trade right the west,

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 2>got things like noodles and tea and playing cards. He

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.919
<v Speaker 2>perhaps founded the very first version of what would later

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 2>be a post office, which is what was it called

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the yam Yeah, like a pony Express. Yeah, like what

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 2>different stations the pony Express, Yeah, like straight.

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Up, but like six hundred years before the Pony Express.

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. But depending on who you're talking to. Some

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 2>people lay almost all of modern warfare at his feet, Yeah,

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:01.320
<v Speaker 2>which is sort of interesting because you can sort of

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 2>draw a line back to his tactics that eventually would

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 2>become the Crusades or the slaughtering of the Aztecs and

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the Incas. Yeah, so they would learn from him and

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>then do that.

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.919
<v Speaker 1>Right, because it was more of that cultural conveyor belt. Right.

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>So they say that he conquered the Karzam Empire, came

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 1>in contact with Islam, and taught them ferocity, which the

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Europeans learned during the Crusade, and they took that ferocity

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>back to Europe and then eventually to the New World,

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.760
<v Speaker 1>which they used on the Native Americans they found there.

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 1>And somebody said, no, the Europeans were already well versed

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 1>in ferocity and brutality and warfare. They didn't need to

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>learn it from Gingis Khan. That doesn't mean that's wrong, right,

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 1>But it's the suggestion that the Europeans were naive to

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>brutality and warfare is incorrect.

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's complete bs And the author of that article

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.240
<v Speaker 2>also so makes a good point, and like you can't

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you can't look and judge him by today's lens. He

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 2>wasn't any more brutal than anyone else back then.

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:09.880
<v Speaker 1>It was just the number.

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just did it better that to me though.

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>So I guess then maybe my problem is is like

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>celebrating people who've killed tons of people. Yeah, like that's

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 1>what I have a problem at at base sure, because

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 1>it's a great man, great man history. Yeah, it bugs me.

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 2>It bugs me too. So we didn't come. We didn't

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 2>come across the way, did we.

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>So, but just just just by carrying on the tradition

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 1>of talking about this guy, and you know, there's you

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely keep his little flame burning.

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's a what one hundred and fifty foot

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 2>statue of him. Yeah, like he's still very much revered.

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about it that there. Like, if you

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>were in Mongolia right now, you're probably pretty mad at

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>me and Chuck apologies for that. We're really it's the

0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>great man history thing we have a problem with. But Mongolia,

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.760
<v Speaker 1>he is known as the founder of Mongolia. Yeah, the

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:08.759
<v Speaker 1>great basically the great, the greatest leader Mongolia has ever known,

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and possibly the world if you're a Mongolian. And during

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>that during the Soviet occupation of Mongolia, you were not

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>allowed to talk about him.

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they like took him out of history books.

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they were trying to stamp out any kind

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>of nationalism in Mongolia at the time. So the moment

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the Soviets left the Soviet Union dissolved, they were like

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Ginghis Khan, Gigis Khan, ginghis Khan. Yeah, they built a

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 1>statue of him, they named an airport after him, they

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>put him on currency. So he's definitely revered over there.

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think that the art that the author of

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the article, I think his name is Frank mclinn almost

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>positive Ale, Yeah, it's great. Frank mclinn. He wrote this

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>wonderful article called the Brutal Brilliance of Ginghis Khan. But

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 1>he points out, like, whatever you think of the guy,

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 1>even if he was the same his contemporaries, and it

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>still seems alien to you. Yeah, Like think about your

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 1>own leaders. Your own leaders send people to die on

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.839
<v Speaker 1>the battlefield too, Yeah, if they're revered as.

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, sure for causes that aren't not noble.

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Right. So the the the point is is, I guess,

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:22.879
<v Speaker 1>don't hate on Genghis Khan, hate the game, not the player, right,

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I guess. So, wow, boy, this guy took a deep

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>left turn, didn't it.

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, it is interesting.

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can talk about this dude forever.

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He also makes the point too that the Mongols

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 2>were what he called culturally unbalanced. So he's like, you know,

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 2>at least the Europeans, while they were slaughtering and killing,

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.839
<v Speaker 2>were giving us the divine comedy and Carmena Barana and

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 2>these great cathedrals and operas, whereas the Mongols were just

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:54.800
<v Speaker 2>barbarian raiders and butchers.

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 1>All slaughter, no substance.

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:01.240
<v Speaker 2>That's a T shirt. Yeah, very famous. In the movies,

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Kingis Khan was played twice, once by John Wayne believe

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 2>it or not, in the Conqueror, and then Omar Shariff. Okay,

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 2>he said Egyptian also not close to Mongolian. Right, I

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's better worse than John Wayne. It's

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 2>probably the same.

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it's worse or no better better.

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, now it'll be Hugh Jackman. Now. I think hollywoods

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 2>changed somewhat, But like five years ago they would have

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 2>been like, what about Jason Momoa.

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Matt Damon two mustaches on him, But they.

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Just picked Momoa because like he looks tough. Who's he

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and he looks sort of ethnic. He's a guy that

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:50.800
<v Speaker 2>plays aquaman and is on a very versatile of thrones. Probably,

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 2>but and I even looked up Mongolian American actors to

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>see if there was anyone out there, uh huh who

0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 2>they could tap into. And I don't think there are

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them. Oh, okay, probably have to be

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 2>some good unknown So.

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of looking like a Mongolian, Okay, got one last thing,

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>are you done?

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm done.

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>The Mongolians were really really good at propaganda and one

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.320
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that they showed this was in Iran

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 1>in modern day Iran koorism Man Empire, when they subjugated it.

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>One of the things they did that they said, we

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 1>are we don't have an alphabet, we don't write things down,

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 1>but you guys do, and we want to put that

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.279
<v Speaker 1>to good use. You have great artists. We want you

0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:43.279
<v Speaker 1>to do a history of the Mongols. And the scribe said, sure,

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll do that, and we want you to do a

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.359
<v Speaker 1>history of the world. All the great leaders in the world,

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 1>all the great civilizations in the world. We want you

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 1>to do those. So they did. They built this. They

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 1>wrote this huge compendium, a universal History of the World,

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:03.320
<v Speaker 1>but the Mongols had them illustrate, like illuminate the text,

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:07.360
<v Speaker 1>and they had them whenever they drew a leader or

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:11.840
<v Speaker 1>a conqueror or an army, they drew them as Mongols.

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, So they insinuated themselves into history as basically the

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 1>progenitors of all greatness and thus justified the subjugation of

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>this area.

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 1>And they did it through propaganda. They had like all

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that like copied, you know, hand copied and distributed as

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>widely as they could.

0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that interesting?

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. That's it all right. If you want

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:43.600
<v Speaker 1>to know more about Mongolia or Genghis Khan or any

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff, you can type those words into the

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<v Speaker 3>House stuff works, pick up a book, you dingus. And

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 3>since Chuck said that, it's time for listener man, Hey, guys,

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 3>recently listened to the show about bearing Ferraris one share

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 3>a cool story about an almost buried car. In twenty thirteen,

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Brazilian billionaire Count Chinquing host Scarfa made headlines when he

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.760
<v Speaker 3>announced he wanted to bury his five hundred thousand dollars

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 3>Bentley like the Pharaohs did with their precious possessions, so

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 3>he could supposedly ride around the afterlife and style attracted

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.880
<v Speaker 3>tons of press and social media buzz, with many people

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 3>outraged he.

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Would do something so selfish. On the day of the burial,

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>tons of Brazilian press and media crew show up to

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:32.320
<v Speaker 2>his house to see him buries Bentley, But moments before

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 2>the car is lowered in the ground, the count pulls

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.240
<v Speaker 2>a major plot twist and announces he won't be bearing

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the car and he reveals cheue intention to create awareness

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:44.400
<v Speaker 2>for organ donation.

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Because people are buried with something valuable, they're organs and

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 2>it was all a stunt and a use of social

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 2>media and buzz marketing and create awareness for organ donation.

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.879
<v Speaker 1>That is fantastic. Man, what a cool guy.

0:48:57.520 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Really interesting anyway, guys, A big fan of your show,

0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:02.279
<v Speaker 2>learned a lot from your stories over the years. I

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 2>want to take this chance to share this cool story

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<v Speaker 2>forward to more stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Thanks a lot, Kate, I definitely had not heard

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:13.760
<v Speaker 1>about that.

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