1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: my name is Noah. 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 3: super producer, Paul. Mission control decans. Most importantly, you are here, 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: to know. Tonight's episode, let's call it a travel show. Recently, 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: just off air, we were talking about some of our 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: favorite children's books and I reread a book called Oh 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: the Places You'll Go by Doctor Seuss. You guys remember 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: that one indubitably Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty cool. 15 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: Right in the United States at least, it's often gifted 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: to people to celebrate milestone occasions, graduations, weddings, funerals. But 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: it got us thinking, what about the places you cannot visit? 18 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: And you know, we love to travel. I don't know 19 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: where to start this necessarily, but we, as everyone knows, 20 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: Matt Nolan and I love going on the road. We're 21 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: going to be on the road again soon, and we 22 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: want to go to where. 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 2: Places ben you are I think the most traveled of 24 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: all of us, and it has been a long time 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: since I've had to go through a customs somewhere of 26 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: any country. Can you just describe basically what that process is, like, Oh. 27 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, your mileage be very folks, But customs 28 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: essentially you have to present documentation that allows you to 29 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: physically enter this place, whatever that place may be, and 30 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: then you'll typically get some questions depending upon how busy 31 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: the customs agent is, depending upon how sensitive your country 32 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: of origin is. Perhaps, yeah, what's their vibe? You know? Recently, 33 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: recently I've had some very weird conversations at customs, and 34 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: not weird and a bad way, just someone who just 35 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: someone who was like having a boring day, and then 36 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: we had a lively discussion, you know what I mean. 37 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: But ultimately that interaction, as you're saying it, it has 38 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: a lot to do with the country you're attempting to 39 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: get into and your country of origin and the relationship 40 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: between those two bigger powers. 41 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: Basically, absolutely, yeah, I think the relationship plays a huge. 42 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: Role on Yeah, agreed, it's one hundred percent correct. We 43 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: are going to do a passport episode in the future. 44 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: It is something more people need to know about. Tonight, 45 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: we are exploring the places in the world that you 46 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: overwhelmingly cannot visit. You cannot go. We'll have some returning guests, 47 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: some important updates, and most importantly, fellow conspiracy realists right 48 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: to us. If you have visited any place mentioned in 49 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: tonight's show, we would love to learn more, and we 50 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: would like to if you are comfortable share your experiences 51 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: with our fellow listeners. Here are the facts. First disclaimer, 52 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: This episode a Western centric. We're focusing on what's sometimes 53 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: called the Global West, and we're focusing on Earth. We're 54 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: focusing on earthly places people for one reason or another, 55 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: are not allowed to visit. You know what I mean. 56 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: I think about that too. We're thinking about places you 57 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: cannot go. No one's going to Venus, right, No living 58 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: human being is all of a sudden going to just 59 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: drop by Mercury for a long weekend. Pluto's kind of 60 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: out of the cards. 61 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: I just watched a video. Oh gosh, I can't remember this. 62 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: The the scientist's name. He's He was a younger looking 63 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: guy when we were coming up in Discovery and he 64 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: I can't remember his name, he's so awesome. But he 65 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: was telling a story about Jupiter and he was asked 66 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: the question, well, could we just shoot a rocket like 67 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: through Jupiter because it's just made out of gas, right, 68 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: He's like, oh, interestingly, no, because it gets so and 69 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: dents at the center. Uh it would you know, it 70 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: would melt and it's you know, to be destroyed pretty quickly. 71 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: He's like, but actually, we don't know what's at the 72 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: center of Jupiter, which is still a mystery, which is 73 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 2: still Sorry, that just blew my mind, you know. But 74 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: but science doesn't know what's there. 75 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 4: But can we send boys there to get more stupider? 76 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 4: That's the question. No, it's just a dumb like a 77 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 4: like a what do you call it, like a playground rhyme, 78 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 4: you know, to get more stupid. 79 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: It's like uh uh snakes and snails kind of thing, right, 80 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: the no will you do the rhyme? Maybe, said Walt's 81 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 3: jump roping. Perhaps m hmm. I think it's boys go 82 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: to Jupiter to. 83 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 4: Get more stupid or girls go to Mars and become superstars. 84 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: Well that's good. I like that. There's a positive message. 85 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: Oh guys, I just remember the scientist. It's Brian Cox, physicist. 86 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: Awesome guy. He's like in his fifties, but he looks 87 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: like he's twenty. You might get a picture in your 88 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: head of him. 89 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: He's not the old guy from succession. 90 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: No, No, that's a different one. 91 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: It would be cool if they were the same guy, 92 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: but like it would be There's an interesting point there, right, 93 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: because there is, if we're diplomatically putting it, there is 94 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: a non zero likelihood that if you are listening now, 95 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: you may one day physically visit the Moon or even Mars. 96 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 3: The odds are kind of low, but you know, it's 97 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: still a possibility. The main thing is the rest of 98 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: the Solar System, all the stretches of outer space. You're 99 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: probably not going to get there. That is a place 100 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 3: you cannot go, even if all the other billions of 101 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: people on Earth want you to. The technology is just 102 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 3: not there, so we have to focus on Earth. It's big, 103 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: it's not having the best time. It is super crowded 104 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: now a nights people are all over the place. In fact, men, 105 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: any of the places you cannot go are already populated 106 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: by people pretty much just like you. And that that's 107 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: where that's where we have to address the American dilemma. 108 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: Isn't this nuts? Like we talked about passports in the past, 109 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: and we're doing in the past, and we're doing an 110 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: episode about that in the future, Noel, not to put 111 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: you on the spot. You got a passport, I think 112 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: most recently out of the three of us, are renewed 113 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: to passport. Is that correct? 114 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, But it was like a passport from my childhood. 115 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: I hadn't, you know, do a lot of traveling domestically, 116 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 4: but hadn't left the country in many, many years since 117 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 4: I was a kid, and I had lost that passport, 118 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 4: did not have it, and I had to get one 119 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: pretty quickly for an international trip that I needed to take, 120 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 4: and I did go through like an expedited thing. And 121 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 4: I think I actually got my passport physically the day 122 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: of my flight, and. 123 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: It was like super clutch. But it happens. 124 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: And apparently in those situations like if you say you're 125 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 4: traveling for a funeral or bereavement or something like that, 126 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: they can expedite it. But I think because of COVID, 127 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: the system was just so backlogged that it was very, 128 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: very tricky for anyone to get help. And apparently you 129 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: can write your congressman if you're in a jam or 130 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: real situation like that. 131 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is one thing that I was told. 132 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, cool, I'll put that in my back pocket. 133 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: But it all worked out. I did not end up 134 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 4: having to write my congressman. 135 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: You could still write them, you know what I mean, 136 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: maybe they're lonely. Yeah, I'd love to hear it from 137 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 3: sort of penpal kind of relationship. I did want to 138 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: mention too though. 139 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: On that trip, there was I hadn't dealt with customs 140 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 4: in a long time, or to my memory, so I 141 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: was so young. But there was a situation where it 142 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: was really weird because you thought you were done and 143 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: then you go through another country a little stopover, and 144 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: then all of a sudden you got to do it again, 145 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: and it sucked. And you have to plan that, you know, 146 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: because it takes time. It's like, you know, you got 147 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 4: to plan that into your your connection, and a lot 148 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 4: of times it's very very clutch because you're like, you know, 149 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 4: waiting to go through customs and then you're literally hauling 150 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 4: ass to get onto your flight right before it leaves. 151 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. One time, one time I lost thirty six hours 152 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: because I had to poop and I had almost spittake 153 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: just a zero. I had to leave, like I cleared 154 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: customs they call it. I had to go like there 155 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: was a whole security thing. It was. It was weird. 156 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,119 Speaker 3: Now Matt never has to go through all go through poop. 157 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: Mating customs also is a euphemism for pooping. 158 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: That's actually really cool, right, we could use that one. 159 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: You know, Matt's got an order of Malta passport, right, 160 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 3: so you just sort of breeze through airports. 161 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got free and clear and all the other stuff. 162 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: I just gave them all my information in biometrics and 163 00:09:59,160 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: I'm good to go. 164 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: You're a liar. I didn't do any of that as 165 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three. It's weird. So the US has 166 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: a dilemma. It has a really strange discrepancy. It is 167 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: by far the most culturally influential country in the modern 168 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: world by any measure, any metric. Yet the people who 169 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: live in that country, a little over half of them 170 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 3: even own a working passport. 171 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 2: Yeah I need just so you know, I need to 172 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: get one for my son, and I need to update 173 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: mine so that I'm right in that boat. I was 174 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 2: doing research on this the other day and it looks 175 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: like a fun process, he said sarcastically. 176 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: Well, you can get through it, you know. It's it's 177 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: better to plan ahead. And it also means this dilemma. 178 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: It means the country that is quote unquote traveling the 179 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: most culturally in terms of influence, is home to a 180 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: bunch of people who just stay in the US and 181 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 3: don't go outside. Not a part of the global culture. 182 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong with that. You know, there are 183 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: two huge oceans. It's difficult to. 184 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 4: Travel, and that is why a lot of people travel 185 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 4: vicariously through others, you know, because there's a whole world 186 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: of folks that are out there on the internet, over 187 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: sharing on social media. 188 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: It's literally their job. 189 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 4: They are oftentimes treated to cruises, you know, fancy hotel stays, 190 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: you know, things like that, all for the purposes of 191 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 4: kind of creating this lifestyle image that folks can then 192 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 4: either use as inspiration perhaps who I want to go 193 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 4: to there, or just live through these people. Highly recommend 194 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: the film Triangle of Sadness if you want to see 195 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: this kind of world absolutely upended. It is the best 196 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: sat tire of this type of thing that I think 197 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: I've ever seen. Maybe one of the best satires I've 198 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 4: ever seen period. It's just fantastic. Ben, You and I 199 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: were talking about that with some colleagues yesterday. 200 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it slaps. Have you seen that when that 201 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: triangle of sadness? 202 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 4: Nope, it's about some social media influencers and others who 203 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 4: are on this like ridiculously opulent yacht cruise in you know, 204 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 4: some you know, gorgeous clear blue ocean and things happen. 205 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: Woody Harrelson is the only American. I think. 206 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 4: It's a Swiss, a Swiss film, and Woody Harrelson plays 207 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 4: the captain and he's like a like a Trotskyan anarchist 208 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 4: basically and basically on purpose. This isn't a spoiler. It's 209 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: in the trailer, crashes the ship. 210 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: And then it becomes the kind of kind of a 211 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 3: Lord of. 212 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 4: The Fly situation, and it is hilarious and sad and 213 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 4: kind of action packed, kind of kicks. 214 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: Ass on every level. 215 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 4: And it really is just a razor sharp commentary on 216 00:12:58,880 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: the kind of stuff we're talking about. 217 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 3: Not employ it. 218 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm you're watching YouTube shorts with you know, random people 219 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: providing unnecessary voiceover on travel videos. This lady went to 220 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: the Giant's causeway. She liked that rock. She jumped over 221 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: it and she almost tripped, but she didn't. Sorry. 222 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, there there is this need to experience the world, 223 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: and if you are pretty much the majority of the 224 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: United States, there are very difficult roadblocks to traveling the 225 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: world physically. So we experience it vicariously. You know. We 226 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: watch the YouTube shorts, We watched the Tier Point Noel, 227 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: We watched the travel influencers on social media who will 228 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: say out in Switzerland and now I'm mountain blah blah blah. 229 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: Let uh. To me, that sounds a lot like telling 230 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: burglars when you're not going to be out. 231 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, or like having those cute little stick 232 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 4: figures of every member of your family on the back 233 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 4: of your STV, or like advertising some like luxury high 234 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 4: end stereo you have in your car with a bumper. 235 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: Stickerh the giant sticker says, I don't know self defense. 236 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, that's very open please. Yeah, right, And 237 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: so we have to be honest. For most people living 238 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: in the United States in the modern day, the main 239 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: way you travel outside of the borders of that country 240 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: is to join the armed services or to work in 241 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: a branch of government. And this is an American dilemma. 242 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: It creates another issue, do it large parts to the 243 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: actions of the American government. The world is chock full 244 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 3: of places you cannot visit. Here's where it gets crazy. 245 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: We open with a sharp focus on the West and 246 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: keep that for a moment, right, Let's learn about the 247 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: world's most quote unquote dangerous countries. 248 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely, as of twenty twenty three, the number one with 249 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: the bullet or a bunch of them anyway, most dangerous 250 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: country remains Afghanistan. 251 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: And it's not terribly surprising. 252 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 4: Considering, you know, if you paid attention to the news 253 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 4: and global conflicts over the last decade, it's been number 254 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 4: one for about well five years anyway, but still there's 255 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: been stuff going on there for more than five years. 256 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 4: It's been number one for about five years according to 257 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 4: the Global Peace Index, which is a comprehensive tool that 258 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 4: weighs lots of data about specific states and regions and 259 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: assigned sort of a score to each one of these countries, 260 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 4: referred to as a GPI. 261 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure what that stands for, bend, you know, 262 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: Global Peace Index. It's just to just go with that. 263 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: They go with their own name. Okay, got it, that's cool. 264 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: I get it to dummy, that's funny. 265 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, That Institute for Economics and Peace is a pretty 266 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: strange thing. I'm looking at the website here and they 267 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: instead of calling it number one, they rank it by 268 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: like one is the best. So Afghanistan is currently ranked 269 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,479 Speaker 2: one sixty. 270 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: Third, right, yeah, which is interesting because there are more 271 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: than one hundred and ninety countries exactly. So, not for 272 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: nothing do historians call Afghanistan the graveyard of empires. You know, 273 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: for thousands and thousands of years, all sorts of apimals 274 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: have made life terrible for people living in that part 275 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: of the world. And it's got it's got a lot 276 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: of problems, and a lot of those problems come from abroad. 277 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: It's home to some of the world's most profitable opium fields. 278 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: They hate women like they hate women existing. There's also 279 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: a very unclean, very old normalization of abuse toward children, 280 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: which you may you know, if you want to ruin 281 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 3: your evening, you can look it up on your own. 282 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: But it's unclean. And now a terrorist organization became a 283 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: state power. It has at best a loose grasp on 284 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: rule of law in the country. And right now as 285 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 3: you listen, it's weird, right that this place would continue 286 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: to be the world's most dangerous country by multiple metrics, 287 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: But it has a higher number of deaths from war 288 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: and terrorism than any other state in the world. That's 289 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: pretty considerable, you know, thinking about Russia and Ukraine in 290 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: an act of hot war, Afghanistan is still more dangerous. 291 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that terrorist organization that now runs a state, remember, 292 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: was American trained in part of one of the other 293 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: conflicts that occurred in the country way back when. Wow, 294 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: not that long ago actually, but forty years again. 295 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: You know, the US has an outsize influence, right, So 296 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: it's it's the kind of thing that makes you want 297 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 3: to listen to a mortal technique more often. In short, 298 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: if you are in Afghanistan, and if you're not yourself 299 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: of Ghani, you messed up. You cannot go. If you 300 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: talk to the US State Department, you can't go. If 301 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 3: you are in other countries, other stands, they're going to 302 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 3: tell you not to go to Afghanistan. And number two 303 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 3: most dangerous country. I like that you pointed out the 304 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: reverse ranking there, Matt. Number two most dangerous country Yemen. 305 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 3: Yemen was in the news in the West for a 306 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 3: little bit, but you don't hear about it as often now, 307 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 3: which is a shame, because there is an ongoing humanitarian 308 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: crisis and very powerful forces are waging proxy war in Yemen. 309 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: Yes, Yemen is currently experiencing arguably the worst humanitarian crisis 310 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 4: on the planet. 311 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: More than five years. 312 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 4: Of military conflict have forced more than four million people 313 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 4: to leave their homes and put fourteen million people at 314 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 4: serious risk of starvation and disease. Around eighty percent of 315 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 4: the population of Yemen, which is twenty four million people, 316 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 4: is absolutely in desperate need of humanitarian aid. And that 317 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 4: proxy war that we were talking about between the KSA 318 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 4: and Iran is ongoing. The country is for all intents 319 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 4: and purposes, under siege. So while I probably wouldn't recommend 320 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 4: going anyway, you can't. 321 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: Go, you can't go, you can't go. Then there's Syria, 322 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: speaking of things that the Western world sort of forgot 323 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: about collectively, the Syrian Civil Wars started a little before 324 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: March twenty eleven and it continues today. Kid you not. 325 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: This is the second deadliest war of the twenty first century. 326 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: Five point seven million people have been forced to evacuate 327 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 3: Syria to leave, and more than six million got couldn't 328 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: get out of the country, but had to leave where 329 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: they lived, where they grew up. Iran, Russia, the Assad 330 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: government and of course the US and Israel continue to 331 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 3: beef in this place. We talked about it in the past, right, 332 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: what's that? What's that? One? Port tartis something like the 333 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: tartis bigger on the bigger on the side that on 334 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: the outside. If only it were. 335 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 4: Dragon Con weekend coming out of my brain is that's true? 336 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 3: Dragon Con is a big deal here. If you travel 337 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 3: to Syria, you have to understand there is little to 338 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: no rule of law outside of the capital. If you 339 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: go outside of the capital, you are on your own 340 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: in a very dangerous way. And even people who are 341 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: who grew up in Syria, you know their family might 342 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: have been from Syria for centuries or millennia. If you 343 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: get outside of the country and you try to go back, 344 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 3: you're going to be in a tough spot. There's not 345 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: really a customs you can clear, and that means it's 346 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: another place you cannot go for now. And I guess 347 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: at this point we got to talk about number four Russia. 348 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: Of course, sadly, yeah, I guess you can't go there? 349 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: Can We really not as Americans. We can't go to Russia. No, 350 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: not even to visit those cool buildings from Tetris. 351 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 2: Like Waite, really because I actually want to go to Russia. 352 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: So this is this is terrible news. 353 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: Okay. 354 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: Is it because they won't allow Americans in or because 355 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: it's dangerous to go? 356 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: I think it's dangerous. And the tough part is getting out, okay, 357 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: because you know you will have a target. If you 358 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: are coming as an American, you will have a target 359 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: on your back. Actually, if you're coming from any NATO 360 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 3: member state, you will be under close scrutiny. There's a 361 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: lot of speculation going on about the future of Russia 362 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 3: behind closed doors. The most important elite entities in the world, 363 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: the mining folks, the tech folks, the military, the banking folks. 364 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 3: They're more or less gambling on what to do when 365 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: this unsustainable situation burns down, which means you can't go. 366 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: I guess if you're like Halliburton or something, or I 367 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: guess if you like Join Wagner. I don't know. 368 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. I okay. 369 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 3: Oh, speaking of which, just sin surround the topic. Did 370 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: you guys see, I was at. 371 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 4: The gym the other day and I saw they do 372 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 4: think that Wagner guy died in a plane crash. 373 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: I don't think we rediscussed this. Yeah, the finger, right, 374 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: the finger was the forensic evidence that got mentioned. I 375 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 3: didn't see that specifically. 376 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 4: It was just like literally a muted TV with a 377 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: headline and I was just popped into my head just now. 378 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 4: But that's wild. I bet he was assassinated. That sounds crazy. 379 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe don't go to Russia. They don't take 380 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: kindly to interlopers. 381 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's so weird because like the State Department right says, hey, 382 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 2: travel advisory, don't go to Russia. It's dangerous, and they 383 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: put that out in February of this year, twenty twenty three. 384 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: But then if you look anywhere else on the web, 385 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: they are all these I guess travel agencies and even 386 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: Russia's it's like, yeah, come on, come on over in Rush. 387 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: Everything's fine, it's totally safe. Just don't go to you know, 388 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: their a couple of regions in conflict. Don't go there, 389 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: you know, and be careful about it. But when you 390 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 2: know the US State Department is specifically saying, hey, Americans 391 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: don't do. 392 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 3: It, right, Yeah, And there's a reason. And of course 393 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: the Department is always going to be overly cautious, right, 394 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: that's their job. This takes us to another thing, like 395 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: I love you bring this up, Matt, the idea travel advisories. 396 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: There have been travel advisories about the United States to 397 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 3: other countries. There was one that came out I think 398 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 3: it was some other painful election and I want to 399 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: say it was Germany issued a travel advisory to German 400 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: nationals visiting Florida. 401 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: Specifically, there should always be a travel advisory for Florida. 402 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. We love you, Florida. 403 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: But the travel advisory is certainly not the same as 404 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 4: a travel ban, which is a real you know, political weapon, 405 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 4: right in a way, like instituting a travel ban. I 406 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 4: think we had we had a couple of those recently 407 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 4: that we're kind of done as almost like a diplomatic 408 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 4: middle finger, right. 409 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. It's fascinating because it would be political suicide to 410 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: ban people in general from leaving the United States. It 411 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 3: is meant to be an aspirational country, right, You are 412 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 3: able to go and leave freely if you wish, unless 413 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: you have committed some pretty heinous crimes. However, other countries 414 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 3: not the same. You know, if you are a dual 415 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 3: citizen of a place like Iran, they'll let you in, 416 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: but getting out's the hard part. That's why you can't 417 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: go to a lot of places. And I did learn 418 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 3: one thing. I know we're going and long here. I 419 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 3: did learn one thing interesting about the top five countries 420 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: the top The fifth one is South Sudan. South Sudan 421 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: is the youngest nation by far in the top five 422 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: most dangerous countries, and it didn't exist until two thousand 423 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: and eleven, which means this show is older than at 424 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: least one country on the world map. 425 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: This podcast is only two years younger than that. 426 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 3: Country, right right, The audio is only two years younger 427 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. It was there's a good gram podcast, Am 428 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 3: I right? Classic? That is really good? Actually, yes, I 429 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: think so, thank you fi pud Left Behind podcast. I 430 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: ran over it, backed over it. So thankfully South Sudan 431 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: is stabilizing and or wishing more stability for the place. 432 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 3: But right now, make no mistake, you cannot go. That's 433 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 3: just the top five quote unquote most dangerous countries. We're 434 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 3: not counting the other heavy hitters. Democratic Republic of the Congo, Iraq, Somalia, 435 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: Ukraine of course, and so on. 436 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: Well, we're not even hitting all of the African nations 437 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 2: that have been going through coups like recently, super recently, 438 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: and they're on the list most of the African nations. 439 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: If you go to that Vision of Humanity dot org 440 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: that we're talking about, most African nations are on the 441 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: lower half of that list, which is really just mess 442 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: up and sad, especially given there's so many military coups 443 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 2: occurring right now. 444 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know what. On that point, let's pause for 445 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: a word from our sponsor, and when we return, let's 446 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 3: dive into that a little bit more. 447 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: All right, and we're back. Uh yeah, let's before we 448 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: move on, let's let's just focus a bit on African 449 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: nations and what's going on right now with places like Niger, Burkina, Faso, Uh, 450 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: what is it, Guinea Guinea Bassau, Uh, Gambia, Saotome, I 451 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: don't I think that's how you say it, Sautom, I 452 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: don't know. And princip yeah, and PRINCIPU and others there 453 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: there are there have been so many stinking coups, military 454 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: coups specifically juntas that take over a standing government in 455 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: Africa in I don't know, let's say five years. If 456 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: you're watching the news right now, then you can see 457 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 2: Gabon is actively going through a coup in Niger. Weirdly enough, 458 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: these Western powers we've been talking about haven't really acknowledged 459 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: that the military junta taking over is a coup, which 460 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 2: is weird. So if you look at reporting from Al 461 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: Jazeera and some of the other outlets that are not Western, 462 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: you know, specific or poised, people are just saying, Hey, 463 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: what the heck has been going on over there? And 464 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: why won't people talk about it like it's a coup. 465 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what to say about that. Besides, 466 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: if there is a country going through a takeover from 467 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: a military, we probably shouldn't visit, right. 468 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: Hey, Matt, what is AFRICAM. 469 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: Oh you want to talk about AFRICAM? Really? Okay, let's 470 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: talk about AFRICAM. That is the US Africa Command. This 471 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: is part of the Department of Defense. This is basically 472 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: the United States military positioning for all of Africa based 473 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: in Germany, which is kind of weird. 474 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: Like a town in Maryland called Germany, or like actual Germany. 475 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: No, no actual Germany where our young NULSEF. Brown was 476 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: born when. 477 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 3: I was a young German boy. 478 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very much. Oh but the reason why I 479 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: wanted to bring them up specifically was to talk about 480 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: a thing called Flintlock twenty twenty three. And I'm going 481 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: to make another podcast recommendation right now to everybody out there, 482 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: the intercept which is a really cool online publication that 483 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 2: we've been looking at for a long time. They've got 484 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: a podcast called Intercepted and they just conduct some awesome 485 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: interviews with high level military officials, often trying to basically say, hey, 486 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: how do you answer these questions that we have about 487 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: you know, what's going on in Gabon right now or 488 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: the Niger kup and what does that have to do 489 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: with this thing that you hold every year called Flintlock, 490 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: which is basically a military exercise for all of the 491 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: African participants, let's say participating countries, partner countries. 492 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 493 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: Well, they get together and they do all kinds of 494 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: anti terrorism drills, training, weapons, you know, education, all kinds 495 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: of stuff like that. It's mostly tactics really that these 496 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: groups of soldiers are learning. And the weird thing at 497 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: least that Al Jazeera and the Interceptor pointing out is 498 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: that these exercises have been going on for years. There 499 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: was a there was one that just concluded back in 500 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: oh gosh, I think March maybe of twenty twenty three 501 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: March for April, and after Africam holds all of these 502 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: flintlock exercises, the same trained military groups seemed to be 503 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 2: involved in the coups against the governments of the countries 504 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: in which they operate, which is, I don't know, weird. 505 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, coincidence, right, had an old statistics professor one time 506 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: who told me the world functions on patterns. If you 507 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: believe something is a coincidence, you must prove it to be. 508 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I'm you know, I'm not trying to 509 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: prove anything Africa. 510 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, but there are places, there are places there you 511 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 3: cannot go, you know. And while we're being US centric 512 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: for part of this, I think we can agree one 513 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: one key thing that people need to understand, especially in 514 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: the US, is that the world is very different. The 515 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: people are largely the same, they're largely good, they want 516 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 3: the same stuff. There are chaotic situations abroad, and when 517 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,239 Speaker 3: we look at this, I love that you're bringing up Africaan. Right, 518 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: Because we're looking at this idea of the quote unquote 519 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 3: most dangerous countries, we have to realize that's coming from 520 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 3: a Western perspective, you know what I mean, that's that's 521 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: very close to and I don't want to sound too 522 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: like performedly woke or whatever, but that's very close to 523 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: other ring right exactizing no question about it. 524 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: African by the way, shows twenty nine military bases US 525 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: military bases on the continent of Africa. 526 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 3: And overall, the US effort is becoming increasingly competitive with 527 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: other nations that are expanding their hegemonic influence like China. Right. Look, 528 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 3: likely a lot of this is not big news to 529 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 3: us playing along at home, especially if you live in 530 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: some of the countries that have been mentioned. And here's 531 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 3: hoping those countries become less dangerous in the future, not 532 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 3: necessarily for tourists or just randoms drifting through customs, but 533 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: more so for the innocent people who live there and 534 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: have always lived there and are having children there. This 535 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: right now is only the beginning of the places you 536 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 3: cannot go. So we can categorize a couple of reasons 537 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 3: why you cannot enter certain places and mainly it's because 538 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 3: powerful forces, certain powerful forces have conspired or do conspire 539 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 3: to prevent your entry, and maybe they didn't plan on it, 540 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 3: maybe it was just an accident and they didn't think 541 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: about the consequences of their actions. Some of these countries 542 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 3: don't top the you know, global danger rankings. Some are 543 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 3: just not even countries, they're just places that are bad 544 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 3: to visit. But in each category we can find some 545 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 3: compelling force preventing you from visiting in person. Obviously, political 546 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: issues are the number one thing. 547 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 4: For example, in the case of you know, we Westerners 548 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 4: and the United States in particular, one of the biggest 549 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 4: reasons that you can't visit a particular place is because 550 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 4: of intergenerational on going political strife beefs. 551 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 3: We talked about that at the top of the show. 552 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 4: You know, when you might get a second glance, perhaps 553 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 4: by a customs agents, you know, perhaps a bit of 554 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 4: a roll of the eye, you know, or just a 555 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 4: little bit more probing questions. Sometimes they're you know, we 556 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 4: have these stigmas that are associated with folks from countries 557 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 4: that we have traditionally been at odds with. 558 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 3: And have you been have you ever been randomly selected 559 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 3: at the TSA thankfully. 560 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 4: No, I have not, for whatever reason, I don't know. 561 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 4: Maybe it's just they like my crocs. But I have 562 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 4: never been pulled. 563 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 3: I have had. It's the funniest thing, man. 564 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 4: The only time I've ever had my luggage pulled was 565 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 4: because man, they're really eagle eye about these liquid things, 566 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 4: you know, too much fluid ounces. 567 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 3: I lost three bottles of hot sauce and a snow globe. 568 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 3: No really, I'm really sad about that hot sauce. But no, no, 569 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 3: I haven't. 570 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 4: But again, you know, we think, Okay, we talked to 571 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 4: actually the other day about how Islamophobia seems to be 572 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 4: on the decline to some degree in this country, at 573 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 4: least in terms of rhetoric and talking point talking points, 574 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 4: you know, politically publicly, right, because there was a time 575 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 4: where if you even looked remotely Islamic. 576 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 3: You get pulled every time, you know, I mean, that 577 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 3: was just it was just par for the course, that 578 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 3: was what was happening. 579 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 4: And but that goes in the opposite direction too, right 580 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 4: for Americans entering other countries, we're gonna get messed with 581 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 4: for similar reasons. 582 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 2: It's really weird. I'm thinking about a place like Pakistan, 583 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 2: that for a long time was a massive trade partner 584 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,479 Speaker 2: with the US, lots of strategic influence with the US 585 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 2: there in Pakistan, and then it turns out, oh wait, 586 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: they've been funding the you know, political enemies via terrorism 587 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 2: of the United States, and now you know, Bin Lauden 588 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 2: ends up in the country somehow weirdly, and then now 589 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 2: it's things are weird and I don't I don't know. 590 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: I just don't know enough about the specifics to imagine 591 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 2: like could I actually go to Pakistan if I wanted to? 592 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 2: Or is that actually really dangerous? And it makes me 593 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 2: think about groups like isol or ISIS or ISS or 594 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: whatever the heck it wants to be called now that 595 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 2: we talked about so extensively for so long, and then 596 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 2: it feels like it just kind of dropped away as 597 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 2: a talking point anywhere. 598 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because the you know, for a time, 599 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 3: to your point, Matt, Pakistan in the US were very 600 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 3: buddy buddy, Prevez mush even Musharraf excuse me, even appeared 601 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 3: with John Stewart on The Daily Show. And that's a 602 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 3: weird interview. By the way, It did not age well, 603 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 3: But of course John Stewart did a great job. We 604 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 3: know to your point. Now, we know that there are 605 00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 3: these ongoing human created issues, the shadows of colonialists, resource extraction, 606 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 3: the old conspiracies that are riddling this alphabet of evil 607 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 3: dressed in the lamb's wool of the quote unquote greater good, Matt. 608 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 3: I love theyre bringing up Padkistad because we know what happened. 609 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 3: We know how the CIA found bin Laden. It was 610 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 3: a vaccination scam. How are you going to do stuff 611 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 3: like that and expect people to trust you later? You know, 612 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 3: I don't think we can blame people outside of the 613 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 3: United States for at some point concluding these Americans are 614 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 3: bad medicine. That was an accidental joke. Bad medicine vaccinations. Sorry, 615 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 3: please get vaccinated, do your boosters. And so. Because of this, 616 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 3: because of these human creative political issues, countries like the DPRK, 617 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 3: North Korea, uh Iran, Russia, Belarus, Venezuela, most of the stands. 618 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, they don't like the US 619 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 3: Western vibe. And it's a shame because geographically speaking, these 620 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 3: are beautiful places. Historic Russia and Iran, ancient cultures have 621 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 3: birth some of the best literature on the planet. Right now, do. 622 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 4: You think that's why there's so much strife, just because 623 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 4: of the They just had a longer timeline to kind 624 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 4: of develop. 625 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: These kinds of beefs and these kinds of like, you know. 626 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 4: Religious differences and schisms, and I just always you know, 627 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 4: obviously it's also a very important location for many people 628 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 4: of different faiths, so there's arguments to be had there. 629 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 4: But it just got you, you know, they just really 630 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 4: get the get the brunt of it in a lot 631 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 4: of in a lot of ways. 632 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 3: I like that question. That's that's a very good question. 633 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 3: Is it a matter of timeline because the United States 634 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 3: is quite a young country, right, could still count as 635 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 3: an experiment, and maybe there are just more opportunities for misadventure. 636 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. That's a really good question. 637 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 3: I wonder who could answer that. I don't think it's 638 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 3: it's not me. I don't know. Something to think about it. 639 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 3: It's a good one. There's also this other idea, a 640 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 3: world in the future without all this human drama. It's 641 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 3: a world of amazing possibility. Imagine if just by virtue 642 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 3: of being human, you could directly go and see in 643 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 3: person all this awesome stuff that led to you existing 644 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 3: you know, and it might inspire you to perhaps play 645 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 3: a role yourself and expanding this noble experiment. And speaking 646 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 3: of experiments, I suggest we pause for a word from 647 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 3: our sponsor and return return to one of the strangest 648 00:40:53,200 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 3: instances of places you cannot go, and we're back. 649 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 4: So Ben, you and I discussed some of this kind 650 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 4: of thing on a recent episode of Ridiculous History where 651 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 4: we did kind of our first ever clip show, which 652 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 4: is where we take some of the bits and bobs 653 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 4: that we didn't get to in regular episodes. We often 654 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 4: have so much to wonderful information coming to us from 655 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 4: our research associates extraordinaire that we don't have time to 656 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 4: get it all in, so we kind of bashed it 657 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 4: all together and ended up with a whole episode on 658 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 4: nukes and on nuclear stuff and nuclear places actually that 659 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 4: you can visit. It was mainly the topic of our episode. Today, 660 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 4: we're gonna talk more about this stuff you can visit 661 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 4: for a good reason. Some of the places we reference 662 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 4: in Ridiculous episode are places you probably shouldn't visit and 663 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 4: places that people have had misadventures visiting and led to 664 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 4: some very expensive concrete domes being built. For example, you 665 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 4: just have to listen to that episode and find that out. 666 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 4: But let's talk about Chernobyl. You guys, what a neat 667 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 4: thing that's happened with that site, just how it's become 668 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 4: this overgrown, psychedelic wildlife kind of flourishing ecosystem, you know, 669 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 4: the site of one of the worst nuclear disasters in 670 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 4: the history of the planet. 671 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can. You cannot visit certain sites of mad 672 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 3: experiments in the past, you know, nuclear testing to this point, 673 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 3: it occurs occurred, i should say, across the world in 674 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 3: remote places, sometimes targeting disadvantaged populations more than a half 675 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 3: a century. And I love it. We're mentioning Chernobyl again 676 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 3: because before the current conflict, you could go to Chernobyl, 677 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 3: you could go see this wildlife haven, you know, and 678 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 3: to that point, before the reactor went bust, you could 679 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 3: go hang out in Fukushiba. You can still go to 680 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 3: Fukushima now it is a safe place to go. The 681 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 3: US Trinity site is also restricted. We talked about this. 682 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 3: You can anybody in the world allowed into the United 683 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 3: States can visit the Trinity nuclear test site on one 684 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 3: day of the year, which is that that's such a 685 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 3: strange thing, right, yeah, super weird. Yeah, we couldn't even 686 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 3: figure out quite why. 687 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 4: Ben, you sort of conjectured that, like maybe it has 688 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 4: to do with budgets or something like that, But I 689 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 4: don't know if that rings true to me. I think 690 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 4: it's a good guess. But that's weird, man, And it 691 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,959 Speaker 4: seems like the demand would be so high, is it. Well, 692 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 4: I guess there's a crowd if there's the one day. 693 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 4: I mean, like if it were every day, that the 694 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 4: man would probably beat his regular like any like visiting 695 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 4: the Alamo. But yeah, it's just one day. It must 696 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,839 Speaker 4: be like people lining up for miles. But oh no, no, yeah, 697 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 4: that's a good point. Update clarification. It appears that there 698 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 4: are two days you guys. The there's the first Saturday 699 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 4: in April, and then there's a second day, the third 700 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 4: Saturday in October. This is coming from the National Park Service. 701 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 4: I didn't know there were two days. 702 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 2: Oh cool, we just doubled our time, guys, guys. 703 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Let's let's let's go. Let's go 704 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 3: hang out at Trinity. I hear at school. But other 705 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 3: than those two days, you cannot go, right, and there 706 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 3: are specific places, not countries, just places you're not going 707 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 3: to visit. We did that episode on closed or secret 708 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 3: Cities in Russia and that one, and then you know 709 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 3: we're we're in the US South. We know about Oakridge. 710 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 3: Oakridge was a secret nuclear city. 711 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 2: Can I just point out this year, the first Saturday 712 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 2: in April is April Fool's Day? 713 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 3: Is that I'm failing? I'm not significant? 714 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 2: Well, well that was the one day that you could visit, right, 715 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 2: the first Saturday, the one day Trinity it's on the 716 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 2: first Saturday in April. Well, it happens to be April first. 717 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:29,439 Speaker 3: Just that would be just some history buff Matt, did 718 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 3: you watch did you see Oppenheimer? No? I think I 719 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 3: haven't seen it yet. Yeah, okay, we'll miss it in 720 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 3: the theaters. 721 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 2: West has been trying to get me to go to 722 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 2: the Imax over here for like a month. 723 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 3: I don't know how long it's been out. 724 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,280 Speaker 4: But yeah, there's an Imax everything. Is it the seventy 725 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 4: whatever giant millimeter print? 726 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 2: It's the Mall of Georgia. 727 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 3: That's what I forgot. 728 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 4: You're close to the Mall of Georgia. That's that's a 729 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,240 Speaker 4: I love that place. Have you guys seen the latest 730 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 4: Wes Anderson movie Asteroid City, is that what's called asteroids something? 731 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 4: I feel like this little city that's based in the 732 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 4: film is based around had to have been influenced by 733 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,399 Speaker 4: Trinity to some degree or Los Alamos, and it has 734 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 4: a very similar vibe. And there are a few hilarious 735 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 4: shots of like mushroom clouds kind of in the distance. 736 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 3: It's a cute movie. 737 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it's great, but it's it's cute, and 738 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 4: the set design, of course, is worth the price. 739 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 3: Of admission alone. I enjoyed it for sure. It's very 740 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 3: just so you know, because it's a Wes Anderson film 741 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,919 Speaker 3: and it's got a message to it. There are other 742 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 3: places you can't go, sometimes with good reason. Military test sites. 743 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 3: There are too many to name. You cannot approach them 744 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 3: unless they get a heads up that you're coming in, 745 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It doesn't matter who you are. 746 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 3: If the Pope just shows up in the full outfit 747 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 3: and walks toward Groom Lake, someone's going to shoot them. 748 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 3: It's it's like, the rules are pretty strict on that stuff. 749 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 3: You cannot go. And then there's there's one we mentioned 750 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 3: previously a little bit Diego Garcia Diego Garcia is a 751 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 3: bit confusing because it's a vestige of the old British Empire, 752 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 3: back when the sun never set right on that archipelago. 753 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,439 Speaker 3: The this island is down in the Indian Ocean. It's 754 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 3: technically a British territory, but the United States military runs 755 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 3: it and you cannot go. Like if if you show 756 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 3: up and you don't have a heads up, you don't 757 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 3: have some sort of co sign, then you are going 758 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 3: to be in deep water very quickly. Weirdly enough, weirdly enough, 759 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 3: they have a kind of cool Fourth of July party 760 00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 3: on the base there. Yeah, for everybody, now the Americans, Okay, 761 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 3: but there there are also things we've talked about, like 762 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 3: western China, the weager population. You know, traveling to Tibet 763 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 3: is going to be a little dicey, right. Kurtistown is 764 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 3: also at the point where people don't even like to 765 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 3: call it the country. It's a region. I think maybe 766 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 3: we got to shout out one favorite North Sentinel Island. 767 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 3: North Sentinel Island is the place you cannot go. The 768 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 3: last guy who tried to go was a young Christian 769 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 3: missionary and just like the other people who are not 770 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,280 Speaker 3: from that island he was murdered by by the people 771 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 3: living there. 772 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't encroach on you know, indigenous people's unless you've 773 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 2: got a really solid plan I guess. 774 00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 3: And a translator. Right. Yeah. Our natural question with this, ultimately, 775 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 3: when we're talking about places you cannot go, our natural 776 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 3: question is why why are their places that you cannot enter? 777 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 3: You know, the US and the global West, to be 778 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 3: absolutely fair, often treats people from other parts of the 779 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 3: world as though they do not have an inherent right 780 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 3: to travel, an inherent right to exist, you know what 781 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 3: I mean. You don't have to look far to find 782 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,800 Speaker 3: harrowing war stories of people attempting to enter the US, 783 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 3: you know, and not clearing customs, and it's not because 784 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 3: of anything they did, It's because of who they are. 785 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 3: And a country that prides itself on being aspirational, on 786 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 3: being a place you want to visit, that country can 787 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 3: be very tricky and very unfair to people who are 788 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 3: trying to actualize that dream. So if we put a 789 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 3: side space, we put a side time, travel, biological hazards, 790 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,399 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. The question is why can you 791 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 3: as a human being not go everywhere you please? In 792 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 3: this wide, terrifying, beautiful world. Are these laws making the 793 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 3: world better? I don't know, what do you think. Should 794 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 3: everyone be able to go everywhere, like aside from you know, 795 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 3: military test sites and nuclear stuff? Could Should you be 796 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 3: able to wake up and say, Hey, I want to 797 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 3: go insert country here. 798 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 2: That sounds pretty entitled to me, just you know, saying yeah, 799 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess. 800 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 3: But I want to go. Matt, I wont to go 801 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,920 Speaker 3: as end of the world. 802 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,319 Speaker 2: If you want to go, find a way, you know, 803 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 2: Like there's so many We've heard so many stories of 804 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 2: people who visited Cuba when there was a complete travel 805 00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 2: ban on going to Cuba as an American. There's so 806 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 2: many people who got to Cuba. And you just go 807 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 2: to one other country and then you take you find 808 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 2: a way to get into Cuba from that country because 809 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 2: there's no problem getting in from that country. You just 810 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 2: got to be careful about your visa or your passport 811 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 2: or whatever you've got. 812 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,800 Speaker 4: I think I mentioned before, they're in that brief window 813 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,879 Speaker 4: when travel was open. My kid and their mom went 814 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 4: to Cuba and then it like slammed closed again, and 815 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 4: they said it was awesome, like really cool old cars 816 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 4: everywhere and stuff. It's sounded like a delightful place to visit, 817 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 4: But what was the beef that led to it closing again? 818 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 3: Like whoa? 819 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 4: I was confused about how abruptly that, you know, hey 820 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 4: we're back and nope, no, we're gone. 821 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:46,720 Speaker 3: Aget. I think it's because the administrations of the US, 822 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,600 Speaker 3: they kind of change with the wind. So this is 823 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 3: not making an argument for dictators or anything. But you know, 824 00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 3: the team passes the ball every four years, right, so 825 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 3: they will react in different ways. In the US position 826 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:11,400 Speaker 3: against Cuba is a cold war thing for sure. I 827 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 3: just don't know. That's awesome they got to go. You know, 828 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 3: I was very jealous. They brought me some cool street art. 829 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 4: There's a handmade kind of painted, a little pressed, really 830 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 4: nice kind of paper, like handmade paper kind of stuff. 831 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 3: Really cool. I got to get those frames to do 832 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 3: list and speakin to do list. That's one of the questions. 833 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 3: You know, of course, the idea of travel in the 834 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 3: current global system is an expensive thing, right, It costs money, 835 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 3: and so it is somewhat entitled to travel it all, 836 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 3: you know, unless you are forced to do so. The 837 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:56,919 Speaker 3: question is these passports, these borders, these customs, are they 838 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 3: making the planet a better place overall? Is it good 839 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 3: to live in a world where you can't just go 840 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 3: places because you want to check out the vibe. Is 841 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,399 Speaker 3: there a solid argument to support these current regimes or 842 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 3: is it the same old argument from before? Are you 843 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 3: doing evil in the name of some greater good? It's 844 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,400 Speaker 3: a question we can't answer, you know, and no, you 845 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 3: got me thinking about the timeline of empires. That one's 846 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,759 Speaker 3: going to stay with me. I don't know. I mean, 847 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,560 Speaker 3: Matt Noel, can you solve it? Can? Should everyone just 848 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 3: be able to do what they want across the world? God? 849 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 2: No? 850 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, probably not. Well, let us know. I'm timpted 851 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 3: to agree. Let us know what you think. Folks. We 852 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 3: can't wait to hear from you. As we said at 853 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 3: the very top of tonight's show, if you have been 854 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,920 Speaker 3: to one of the places most people cannot visit, we 855 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,239 Speaker 3: would love to hear your story to the extent that 856 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,360 Speaker 3: you are comfortable sharing. 857 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, just in Atlanta. Anyone out there who has 858 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 2: ever lived in or near a place in Atlanta called 859 00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,320 Speaker 2: the Bluff? 860 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 3: If you have bluffs the Yeah, you're bringing up a 861 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,480 Speaker 3: specific neighborhood, my friends, Yes, I am. 862 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,520 Speaker 4: I Am, there's a there's a there's a film about it. 863 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,360 Speaker 4: It's called Snow on the Bluffs. Yes, it's It's referenced 864 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,360 Speaker 4: in a lot of rap songs. It is a notorious 865 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 4: place for scoring hard drugs. 866 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's one of those places, like you know, a 867 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,839 Speaker 2: part of a city, you know, a small, tiny, localized 868 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,640 Speaker 2: place that you probably shouldn't go to, but you're not 869 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 2: banned from, right, And I'm interested in those kinds of 870 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 2: places as well, Like what is that like? 871 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 3: Shout out to Gary, Indiana, by the way. That's a 872 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,240 Speaker 3: heavy hitter on those questions. 873 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, And often it's small parts or small 874 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 2: neighborhoods or something within a place, right, So. 875 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,080 Speaker 4: Oh man, he just made me think of something near 876 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 4: my hometown in Augusta, Georgia, where I grew up in 877 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,720 Speaker 4: that's right on the border of South Carolina and Georgia. 878 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,799 Speaker 4: There is a community of a group, a very close 879 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:23,239 Speaker 4: knit group called Irish Travelers who live in a gated community. 880 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,399 Speaker 4: And if you go to that gated community, they will 881 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 4: chase you out with weapons. 882 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 3: They do not want anyone in there. There. This is 883 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,800 Speaker 3: a very specific group of folks who. 884 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 4: Have their own thing going operate under a different set 885 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,319 Speaker 4: of rules than the rest of us, and there's there's 886 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 4: stuff out there about them. There's a twenty twenty episode 887 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,520 Speaker 4: about it years ago. But now I have heard people 888 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 4: that even approach the gates and they are driven out. 889 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 3: So let's also let's also make some space at the 890 00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:01,719 Speaker 3: very end to talk about the the other side of that, right, 891 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,120 Speaker 3: which is that there are wealthy neighborhoods all across the 892 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,319 Speaker 3: world where you cannot go. We can't go there, you 893 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 3: know what I mean. There are all sorts of fences. 894 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:20,040 Speaker 3: The question is should those fences exist? Should they exist metaphorically, physically, ideologically? 895 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 3: Is the world better with or without them? I think 896 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 3: you might need some fences. I think maybe Robert Frost 897 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,920 Speaker 3: was right. I think good good fences neighbors I think goes. 898 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 4: On to something hell, maybe even a three foot thick 899 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 4: concrete dome. 900 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,799 Speaker 3: Every now and again, you get in situations we can't 901 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,759 Speaker 3: wait to hear from you, folks. We try to be 902 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,879 Speaker 3: easy to find online, that's right. 903 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 4: Conspiracy Stuff is the name with which you can seek 904 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 4: us out on the following social media platforms. 905 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 3: Twitter, FKA, Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook. 906 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,839 Speaker 4: We are Conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram and Tech. 907 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 2: Hey, are you gonna be in Las Vegas in September, 908 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 2: like specifically, I don't know, in the twenties, the early twenties, 909 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 2: like twenty one, twenty three, around that time. There's this 910 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 2: thing happening called the iHeartRadio Music Festival, and we're gonna 911 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:23,200 Speaker 2: be hanging out over there near it doing some stuff adjacent. 912 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 4: Oh, you can just meet up for for some ether 913 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,520 Speaker 4: hits at Circus Circus. 914 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 3: I can't believe we're talking about this after we just 915 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 3: said earlier on this specific episode, don't advertise your location. 916 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 3: But yes, it's all. 917 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna be doing a thing. 918 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 3: It's gonna be cool, it's gonna be a lot of fun. 919 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,000 Speaker 3: We can't wait to see everyone that's you know, we 920 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 3: miss being on the road. 921 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 2: Basically, find your way to the T Mobile Arena in 922 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 2: Las Vegas and we'll be on the outskirts somewhere. 923 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,440 Speaker 4: Somewhere, just drifting through Bose Activation. 924 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,640 Speaker 3: Well, we know what. We'll give you more specific details 925 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 3: as they arise, but it is a thing that's happening. 926 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 4: So if any of you live in Las Vegas, hit 927 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 4: us up and maybe we can you know, do a. 928 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,440 Speaker 3: Little a little meet up. 929 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,680 Speaker 4: The very least come to see us do our whatever 930 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,200 Speaker 4: the hell we're doing live podcast. 931 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 3: We'll figure it out. You can also call us. 932 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could call us too, But before you call us, 933 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,680 Speaker 2: this is a shout out directly to Kane Brown, who 934 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 2: is going to be there. Uh, you should hang out. 935 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 3: With us, all right. 936 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,720 Speaker 2: Just wanted you to hear that, Kane. 937 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 3: All right. 938 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,440 Speaker 2: Our number is what eight three three st d wyt K. 939 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,480 Speaker 2: It's a voicemail system. Give it a call. You got 940 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 2: three minutes, Give yourself a cool nickname, and let us 941 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 2: know if we can use your name and message on 942 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 2: one of our listener mail podcasts. 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