WEBVTT - Ep. 770: The Cornell Bear Skinner Speaks Out 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:05.160 K ladies and gentlemen. It's an emergency drop of me 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.200 eater podcast. An emergency drop. We did one of these 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.480 when the guy rescued the people out of the outhouse. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.520 That wasn't an emergency drop, no, but it was an 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.880 American Hero. This is an emergency drop we have on 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:24.240 American hero Aaron Chin from Cornell University. If you're a 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.400 news buff, if you are a news buff, or if 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.120 you're a hunter, and you read your text messages a 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:34.040 couple of weeks ago, around the week of September eighth, 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:38.400 I would say you probably got all kinds of people 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.960 texting you an article about some students from Cornell University 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:49.159 who were in trouble, out of trouble, getting in trouble 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:54.480 for having skinned a bear in their communal. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.040 Hall at college. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:00.280 Right now, I typed in Cornell black bear skinning into Google, 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.360 and I have the Cornell Daily Sun. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.000 I'm looking at an article there. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.160 I'm looking where it was covered in an op ed 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.520 in something called The Dartmouth and it's a person complaining 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.400 about them, saying that it's not what you're allowed to do, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.440 it's what you ought to do, and it's the real 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.919 lesson behind this covered in the Ithaca Voice. Cornell students 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:30.959 found skinning bear in campus, NBC News two Cornell students 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.119 killed bear and skinned it back at blank a long 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:40.760 spirited reddit thing, People Magazine, People dot com. Two college 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.960 students killed one hundred and twenty pound bear. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.240 I heard it was bigger. Yeah, Aaron, you don't have 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:48.640 the idea where the one twenty came from? 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.440 Do you? 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.120 No no idea? I was around around a one point fifty. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.240 I know, I know how much my buddy weighs, and 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:56.360 you know I'll pick them up. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.560 It's just, you know, a little lighter than that. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.400 So wrong on dred and twenty pound bear. Here's an 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.120 outdoor life article. Here's a big discussion on rockslide. I 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:06.920 could go on and on, covered all over, and it 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.960 was one of those things that everybody sends me. The 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.000 article about the two kids at Cornell who were in 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:17.280 trouble or we're not in trouble for having dared kill 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.600 a bear on campus, or could not kill a beart 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.840 on campus, but kill a beart in process it in 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:25.640 a communal space on campus. And then as I followed 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.639 the story along for a couple of days, it turns 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:33.560 out that police game wardens the student handbook. It turns 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.359 out no one could find anything that was actually wrong. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.120 I said to Krana, said, we have to talk to 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.280 these guys. With Diane to talk to these guys. So 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.320 here we have one of the butchers, Aaron Chin from Cornell. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.119 We're gonna hear. We're gonna hear his story. We're gonna 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:52.600 hear about what it's like to all of a sudden 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.680 be part of a national news story, what it's like 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.400 to probably be real scared for a minute and then 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.480 feel relieved, and then what's the what's the next hunt plan? 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.399 But like, first, let's let's start off. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:10.640 So you're at Cornell University, you're from You're from San Diego, California. Correct, Yeah, 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.680 what give me your hunting background? How did you get 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:13.359 started hunting? 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.200 So I didn't start until the very like tail end 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.120 of high school. I'm my parents, we we we never 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.560 really did that. We weren't really an outdoorsy family. But 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.440 that was something I was super into as a kid. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.280 I'd read Bushcraft manuals and I'd watched these survival shows. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.280 So I started shooting and shooting archery, thinking like early 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.320 middle school and whatnot. So I was that was always 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:36.480 kind of in the back of the mind. I shot 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.040 Olympic archery for the longest time. I started teaching that 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.800 performance archery, which primarily catered towards I mean that's where 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:44.320 the money is in the. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:45.760 Archer's performance archery. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.960 Mean, it's it's just the bow shop I worked at. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.520 Oh I thought I made a discipline called performance archery. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:54.480 an archery shop. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.520 Yeah, And a lot of the guys were big bow hunters. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.280 I was super curious, and I started shooting traditional archery 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.920 with kind of the hopes of being able to to 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.080 to hunt traditionally with with just a with a with 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.440 a bear bo And yeah, I went out a couple 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.280 of times in San Diego. Hunting in San Diego is 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.240 really difficult, all all public land. It's it's kind of 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:16.760 one of those things where you've got to get lucky 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.200 right time. There's not a lot of water there. So 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.600 I went out for turkey once and then and then 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.320 deer another time, but pretty much very little success, very 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.080 little experience. That's that's why part of the reason I 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.320 chose to to go to to Cornell One besides. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.400 That really get engineering school. But you know, the proximity 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:33.680 of Wood. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.840 I saw the deer Management program, and I'm like, I 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.719 can I can kind of learn all learn all the 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.359 skills and live live the lot, learn all the skills 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:43.840 that I wanted to as a kid. And now that 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.560 there's there's forests and there's there's state lands to do that. 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.440 So yeah, yeah, there's a real Like we spent some 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.640 time on the campus recording some podcasts a couple of 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.520 years ago, and there's like a hunter's community. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.000 There's like a hunter's community at Cornell m Yeah. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.120 And so when you came out there, you guys, how 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.760 did you become aware of Uh. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.360 So you're junior, third year? Is that right? Correct? 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.040 How did you become aware of spring black bear season? 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.200 Like? Like what did you dig into? 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.240 Like how did you how did it hit you that, like, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.840 hey man, let's go out and let's go out and 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:19.680 do a little bear hunting. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.799 You and your body saw it on the DC website, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.839 you know, reading it through all the rules and the 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.040 seasons you can and and the biggest thing is when 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:27.800 I first got here. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.680 Sorry not in spring bear season. Fall I'm sorry, fall 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:30.279 bear season. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.240 Like you get everyone gets a black bear tag with 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.240 the with all their with all their accoutrements and and 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.200 and so when you. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.360 Buy a hunting license, your issue to black bear tag. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.600 Everyone gets a black Bear tag like a regular. Yeah. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.720 So I was like, this, this could this sounds really cool. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.719 And I saw I saw a recipe somewhere like like 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.040 black bear PASTRAMI I don't know where and eyes like that. 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:54.800 That sounds delicious. I mean, I love a. 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.400 Good on Ryan, like you know what, two and two 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.760 let's maybe really cool. I was reading them and at 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.560 this point I've got a rifle, so I was like, well, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.760 this could be like a very realistic, realistic thing. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:08.400 So I started looking looking into it. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.960 And it's the first it's the first big game season 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.720 of the of the year. So we're like, all right, 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.960 you know, tests aren't going too crazy, academics are pretty chill. 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.239 Let's let's let's get her down. Let's figure it out. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.960 And and you and your hunting partner, you guys go 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:23.719 out and you guys are hunting public land? 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:24.800 Is that right? Yes? 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:25.479 Public land? 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.760 And how did you how did you kind of hit 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.960 on Like here's the spot, here's what we're gonna try, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:31.159 here's where we're gonna hunt. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.520 Like lay that out for me. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.000 A lot of a lot of research, a lot of 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:36.600 e scout in so I'd look at the d C 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.839 kind of they have the bear harvest reports where so 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.960 I was looking at the regions where they have the 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.239 highest you know, uh bears reported and for one hundred 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.600 square miles from there, I look, I look what's closest 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.040 to the university because we're full time students essentially, so 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.279 where's the closest state forest. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:55.960 That we can we can hunt? 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.000 And from there reading articles, figuring out like, well, they're 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:00.680 going to be they're gonna be berry trying to get 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.520 fat for the winter. So I honed in on a 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.320 on a piece of piece of state forest and I 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.560 started looking for water features. That was the biggest thing, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:14.080 swamps where where I think we're like berries and and 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.880 and shrubbery that they'd be foraging on. And then we 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.880 went there Friday. We we right after classes, we went 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:27.040 out and the first thing, yeah, we went out. We 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.640 we we scouted, and then the next day we we 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.240 kind of set up and figured it out. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.840 And when you guys set up, you and your hunting body, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.320 when you guys set up, did you guys set up 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.440 in blinds or were you trying to like still hunt. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.520 You're trying to do a stand hunt, like what was 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:41.200 your strategy? 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:43.000 Still hunting? 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.120 So the day before on Friday, we found like fresh bear, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.320 bear shit and tracks everywhere. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:49.160 So we're like, all right, this. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.840 Is the spot we're gonna bed down the next morning, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.640 because you know, we're just season hadn't open open yet, 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.560 we're just looking around. So essentially there was a little 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.960 like a grove or like a like a there's a 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.280 little clearing and there was a there's some shrubs in 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.680 the middle of it. So that's where we saw kind 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.560 of like paths and they're still uneaten berry. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.000 So we decided the next morning, you know, you're looking 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:17.160 at an active feeding area, okay, yep, And you guys 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.960 set up and it was that and it was the 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.840 was it the first day of the season that you 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:21.600 guys got a bear? 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.440 Yep? First day okay, like like like nine o'clock. But 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:26.160 we didn't get it. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.600 In that clearing, we heard we heard scratching and and 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.600 like climbing in a pine grove about like one hundred 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.760 yards to the side. So we moved out to there. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.120 We waited in our first position, we moved out. We 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.640 sat there for a good amount and then we we 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.840 lost track of it. There was a there's a pine grove, 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:47.280 and there was a. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.120 Hill, like a really steep hill. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.800 So we sat there for a good thirty forty five 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.720 minutes and we we stopped hearing the scratching. So we 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.360 thought to ourselves, a maybe maybe the bare clover clover 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:04.080 leafed around back to back to that original clearing. So 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.520 we go back and and we don't see anything. We're like, 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.600 all right, let's let's pack up. We'll go back out 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.520 in the in the afternoon. And just as we're rounding 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.679 a corner, my buddy he sees it. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:16.679 I don't. I don't. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.240 I'm behind this corner, so I just see him, you know, 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.120 his eyes go go full killer. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.439 He chambers around, and I'm. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.320 Like and I and I cover my ears because because 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.120 we've got a pretty good kind of know each other's 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.000 body langers, and I knew he wasn't he wasn't just 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.880 looking looking through And yeah, he pops off a shot 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.680 and we we he gets it was it. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.360 Did you have a big track and job or did 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:38.280 you find it pretty quick? 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.120 Really really quick? 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.920 It was like a forty yard mac shot. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:44.880 It was pretty close. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.520 And then we're shooting one hundred and eighty green point 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.160 three o eight, So that that thing dropped pretty pretty fast. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.360 Okay, now here's where things get interesting. You guys. You 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.199 guys live on campus, correct. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.440 Okay, you don't have an apartment, you don't have house 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:01.959 you rent, you live on campus. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:03.840 Had you even. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.000 Had you guys got around of being like, well, here's 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:09.960 what we'll do if we get one. Or were you 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:15.640 just not even thinking about that yet and you're just 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.640 gonna take it as it comes, or did you have 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.600 like a if we get one, here's the butchering plan. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.320 We thought about everything, we were and yeah, we're gonna 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.280 go to a buddy's place. But last minute, I think 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.480 he had some some emergency to tend to. So the 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.679 place we were going to do it closed off and 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.040 we were really paranoid that, you know, that the meat 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.320 was boil wanted to get it cooled as fast as possible. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.679 We opened it up, but just to just to get 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.720 it all processed in a fridge as fast as possible. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.840 So we're like, well, our one when one place was gone, 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:48.000 so might as well do it there. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.199 And it was in the morning. I think it was 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.360 around like ten o'clock. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.200 Okay, so explain what this place is where you take it, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:54.439 Like what on campus? 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.080 Like what is the place you bring the bear to? 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.120 Just there's like a communal kitchen on the on the 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.400 first floor of kind of the residential building. It's like 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.760 a really it's like a really really open space. There's 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.520 like a study tables and whatnot. But it looks more 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.680 like a like one of those those modern like a 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.000 like a like a coffee shop, a lot of space 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.280 and then and then concrete floors because we you know, 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.120 carpet would just be a dick move. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.600 But it's meant for people to do their cooking. Okay, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.560 So presumably there's a big table in there, and you guys, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:33.360 you guys bring in you bring in the bear on 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:38.040 to the table. Correct who's around when you do this, Like, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.520 like who's in the room. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:41.800 There's not a lot of people. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.200 There are a couple of people studying, but no one 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.360 really comes up and makes a big deal of it. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.560 It's in the morning, Saturday mornings, so people are still 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.120 probably a beg humeover and whatnot. So we had a 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.560 couple of people just throughout our two three hours of processing. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.199 They'd walk by people would you know, try to take 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.120 pictures or like just don't have us in there, and 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.400 most most people were super curious, like, hey, we'd love 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.160 to try something that's that's really interesting. We're explaining i mean, 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.760 the whole idea of stewardship and whatnot, and we were 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.400 aware it was going to be pretty graphic, but just explaining, hey, 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.240 this is this, none of this goes to waste. And 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.800 for the most part it was you know, people were 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.560 really really curious low foot traffic especially, and that's why 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.160 we chose to like, all right, we can. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.080 We thought we'd get you know, yelled at by an 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:26.480 r A. 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.719 Maybe, but we we didn't expect it to blow up 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.000 to the extent of which it did. A. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.760 Yeah, So when you when you thought, okay, we're going 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.360 to go into the communal are we're going to go 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.640 into the dorm kitchen and we're going to process our bear, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.720 you weren't having conversations like hey, this could lead to 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:48.000 very serious trouble and all this news attention. Like you 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.240 were just kind of doing what made the most sense 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.400 in the moment, and you figured anything that came up 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.720 would just you just be able to resolve it through conversation. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.400 HM. We think we both thought that, you know, maybe 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.959 it'd be a like a little blurb, you know, people 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.520 talked about it. It was like, oh, that's that's kind 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.160 of that's kind of odd. But we didn't expect for 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.720 it to blow up. We we were really diligent in 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.000 reading all of the rules, you know, regulations, Like we 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.720 made sure we did everything by the book because we knew, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.079 you know, we're gonna be under scrutiny. So hey, we're 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:19.720 gonna we're gonna clean up. We're gonna use you know, 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.600 bleach lysol wipes and whatnot. We're gonna we're gonna kinda 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.840 keep it, you know, public image where no no blasting 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.600 heavy metal or or or or music at all. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.480 We're pretty we're thinking about that. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.600 We didn't know it was gonna cause that much of 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.760 a backlash a day later. 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.000 But you knew it, Like but you knew the dorm 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.439 rules and the campus rules, and there's no thing saying 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.960 like thou shalt not process a big game animal in 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:47.960 community kitchen. 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.360 Yep, nothing nothing that said against it. You know. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.080 We I even you know, labeled my my meat bags too, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.680 because that's what they wanted. Later on, that would bite 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.280 me in the ass because people would be like, oh, 0:13:58.440 --> 0:13:59.480 we we figured it out. 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.240 You know where you know people get this kid? 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.520 Oh, because you're storing it in a communal freezer. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.200 Kay, at the time being before I could get it 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.240 out to people off campus. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:13.120 Indeed, Yeah, got it all right. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.720 So Saturday comes and goes, you guys get your bear, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.960 you get the bear processed, and then it winds up 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.640 being that Sunday night. What happens Sunday night, someone someone 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.840 finally says, I have to take a stand and report 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.840 these young gentlemen for having cleaned a bear in the dorm. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.880 Something like that. So there's a there's a local Facebook group. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.600 It's called I think Ithaca or Tompkin County Scanner Scanner Beats. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.280 It's this one one guy who's just constantly monitoring like 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.880 police and fire radio. I used to be a volunteer firefighter. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.960 So this guy like we're on en route to a 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.200 call and this guy pings up. It's like, this is crazy, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.000 this is I think it gets like an old retired guy. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.360 So he he Someone sends me a screenshot of the 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.560 page and like, huh, that's that's really interesting, and I'm 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.360 I'm I'm like shopping or something I'm not even on campus, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.320 and they're like, CUPD is there. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.200 There are our police department. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:07.480 Oh ho. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:13.920 The guy that monitors the scanner is saying, hey, law 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:18.800 enforcement is at Cornell And that's how you get word 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.120 that law enforcement is there. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:21.000 Yeah. 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.600 Yeah, they're like they're acting endico. They're investigating back up 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:25.160 this klon. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.000 And they're like, I wonder if this has to do 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:27.280 with me. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:28.440 Yeah. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.120 I was like, oh yeah, they said in the report 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.960 bear skinny. I'm like, what, everything's packaged up? It's everything 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:34.720 super cool. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.640 I mean, that's how you became aware of this? 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:41.920 Yeah, I was like, huh. Interesting. I go to sleep 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.080 Monday morning, it's like everywhere. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.680 I'm like, oh no, so that night you didn't go 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.560 down there that night to see what's going on? 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:49.880 No? 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.600 No, Because I was walking back after done shopping. They 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.320 were you know, there's nothing there. It's a Christine kitchen, 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.640 so we we want and there's there's there's. 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:05.120 Nothing like light splash and an ambulances and okay, okay, 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.080 So you wake up Monday and then what's going on? 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.040 It's all over like so I'm not I'm not sure. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.200 If you're familiar with side chat, A lot of universities 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.120 have like a regional like social media and it's a 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.880 lot of the keyboard warriors and whatnot, and people have 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.440 started circulating pictures of the of the you know, the 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.520 bear of us processing it. We're people the day before 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.080 came up to take you know, ask you if they 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.120 could take pictures. We're like, we weren't sure about that, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.880 like we know people were gonna do it. Anyways, there's like, hey, 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.360 just don't put us in it, and yeah, and then 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.480 it was it just it just overnight, just became a 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:39.320 huge sensation. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.200 And at what point did someone want to come talk 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.960 to you? Though? Like what they what point did law 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:48.600 enforcement want to have a word with you? 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:51.240 I think it was. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.280 Might have been Sunday night, Actually I don't. They're just like, hey, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.920 we want to clear clear clear the clear the error 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.800 because they saw my my net idea on the package 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.879 meet and whatnot, like hey, we want to we just 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.679 wanted to hear yeah. And then and then I was like, oh, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.320 I didn't think too much about it. And then Monday, 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.440 the whole like the world figured out. But PD was 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.320 super supportive. A lot of them are on the Deer 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.040 Management program. The guy officer I spoke with before. I 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.280 had a three hundred pound black bear on his game camera, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.360 So who's talking about go hunting and whatnot. So they 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.399 just wanted to hear what was going on because I 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:24.880 you know. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.439 So they look into it and I read that like 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.560 the game boardens are like, he's got a license. It's 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.119 bear season. It's a legal bear. The police departments like 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:41.560 these guys doing anything wrong. We didn't violate the student handbook. 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.119 But it seems like in the media covers there's like 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:50.159 somewhat of an expect there's somewhat of an expectation or 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.159 sense of surprise that there shouldn't be repercussions for this. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.000 Yeah, there's I guess it's just something that not everyone's 0:17:59.000 --> 0:17:59.680 familiar with. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.360 You know a lot of people there's the the rumor. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.720 That it was a cub that was that was that 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.120 was the big thing, and people people, people started freaking out. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.840 People didn't even know it was season. Like if you 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.560 look at on the online forums, people are you in and. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.240 Like, well, no, it's legal. There people couldn't fathom. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.959 That we drove like two hours to our to our 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.320 spot and drove back. There's just a lot of a 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:22.800 lot of internet discussion got it. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.480 So yeah, so people, yeah, like they're not educated about 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.600 the whole thing and something. They're eager that something must 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.120 be wrong here. M yeah, and that did did the 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.760 campus like who would be who's like the campus authority? 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.200 So did the campus authority at some point in time 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.480 coming to ask you any questions or say like how 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:44.320