WEBVTT - Why is Everything Made in China?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works in My Heart Radio and I love

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<v Speaker 1>all things tech. Kind of, it seems like I have

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<v Speaker 1>to put a lot of qualifiers and when I give

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<v Speaker 1>that introduction these days, and the reason I say kind

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<v Speaker 1>of for this one is that I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>tackling a pretty thorny subject. So in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of talk about the trade war

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<v Speaker 1>between the US and China, as both countries are slapping

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<v Speaker 1>tariffs on goods and the whole world is watching an

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<v Speaker 1>anticipation of a potential global recession. Now, this trade war

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<v Speaker 1>has the potential to affect lots of stuff, obviously, including

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of electronics. Now, chances are the price of

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<v Speaker 1>your next computer, smartphone, tablet, or you know whatever other

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<v Speaker 1>electronic device is going to be a little more expensive

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<v Speaker 1>than earlier models because companies are going to pass on

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of these higher tariffs to customers. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>leads up to a question, why are so many devices

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<v Speaker 1>manufactured or assembled in China? How did we get to

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<v Speaker 1>that point, and to understand that, we need to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the history of industrialization in China. So this episode is

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<v Speaker 1>really going to be all about China's journey to becoming

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<v Speaker 1>an industrialized country, which honestly didn't happen that long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and how it then became the go to place to

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<v Speaker 1>have electronics assembled before moving on to stores around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a pretty complicated topic. It involves trade, politics,

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<v Speaker 1>and economics, and they all have a lot of variables.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is not as straightforward as technology tends to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Because with tech, typically something either works as the designer

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<v Speaker 1>had intended it to work, or it doesn't work. And

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<v Speaker 1>if it doesn't work, with diligence, skill, and maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>little luck, you can trace the reason that the tech

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<v Speaker 1>isn't working, and you can figure out the cause of that,

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<v Speaker 1>you can address it. But economics and politics, those are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more squishy than tech, and addressing one thing

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<v Speaker 1>could throw something else out of whack. So I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do my best to kind of give an overview of

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<v Speaker 1>where we got or how we got to where we are.

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<v Speaker 1>So to understand the story, we really have to look

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<v Speaker 1>at China's history over the last couple of centuries. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know that seems like it's overkill, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really important to kind of understand the historic cultural

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<v Speaker 1>influences of China and how that has shaped the modern

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<v Speaker 1>day China. And I'm gonna warn you there really aren't

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of good guys in the story. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell I'm sad to say so. The United Kingdom

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<v Speaker 1>kind of entered into the Industrial Revolution really in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst mid eighteenth century, so the mid seventeen hundreds, but

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<v Speaker 1>it really got going in earnest in the nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>or the eighteen hundreds, but China would lag far behind.

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<v Speaker 1>At that time, the China government was an imperialist government.

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<v Speaker 1>It was led by the the the Qing dynasty, which

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<v Speaker 1>had been in control of China since the mid sixteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>Now by the eighteen hundreds, this dynasty was starting to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with a progressively more unstable China. A large part

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<v Speaker 1>of that came from foreign interference, and a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>that had to do with British merchants who were smuggling

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<v Speaker 1>opium into China. This is one of those terrible parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the story. We've get into a whole part of

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<v Speaker 1>why China is the way it is largely because of

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<v Speaker 1>illegal drugs coming into the country. So the British merchants

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<v Speaker 1>what they were doing was they were buying up opium

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<v Speaker 1>in India. They would then travel to China and they

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<v Speaker 1>would sell it for a large profit. Meanwhile, the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>we're dealing with a very real opium crisis. Addiction rates

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<v Speaker 1>were on the rise. It was causing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>social and economic unrest. So the dynasty moved to address

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<v Speaker 1>the social and economic issues that were growing as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of this illegal trade, and the Chinese government uncovered

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<v Speaker 1>and destroyed more than a thousand tons of opium the

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<v Speaker 1>British merchants had hidden in warehouses in Canton, China. Canton,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, was the one place that China was

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<v Speaker 1>allowing to be open to trade from UH with foreign

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<v Speaker 1>parties like like the British. Other cities were off limits.

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<v Speaker 1>China had very strict trade restrictions and was pretty insular.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't very much welcoming the outside world to come

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<v Speaker 1>into it quite as much. UH. Even though China has

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<v Speaker 1>a very long long history with international trade, with stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like the Silk Road, tensions between Chinese officials and British

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<v Speaker 1>sailors grew over time, and then a couple of drunken

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<v Speaker 1>British sailors killed a Chinese villager, and the Chinese government

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<v Speaker 1>understandably wanted to apprehend the sailors and try them for

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<v Speaker 1>this crime. The British government, however, was not keen on

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<v Speaker 1>its citizens being subjected to the authority of another government,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they refused to hand over the sailors, so

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<v Speaker 1>tensions would continue to increase. The Chinese government then created

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<v Speaker 1>a blockade around Hong Kong to prevent British tradeships from

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<v Speaker 1>passing it. The British government didn't like that either, so

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<v Speaker 1>they commanded British warships to break up the blockade, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was the beginning of the First Opium War. The

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<v Speaker 1>British forces were outnumbered, but they had superior weaponry and equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>and so ultimately they won out over the Chinese forces.

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<v Speaker 1>Britain was able to occupy the Chinese city of what

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<v Speaker 1>is now Nanjing in August of eighteen forty two, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese government was forced to negotiate with Britain. As

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<v Speaker 1>part of those negotiations, China signed on to some trade

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<v Speaker 1>agreements that were incredibly favorable to foreign merchants, specifically British sailors,

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<v Speaker 1>and put China at a disadvantage. It did, however, have

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<v Speaker 1>the effect of turning several of China's coastal cities into

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<v Speaker 1>centers of trade and opening those up two British traders,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was no longer just Canton. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>also where Britain would gain control of Hong Kong, which

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<v Speaker 1>they would then hold onto until nineteen seven, when they

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<v Speaker 1>were relinquished the territory and China regained sovereignty over it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's a story for a different podcast. That's one

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<v Speaker 1>that's still having some repercussions today. Now, if that were

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<v Speaker 1>all that this dynasty had to contend with, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>would have remained in power in China. But the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century also saw a period of natural disasters, had stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like droughts and floods. I mean, keep in mind, China

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<v Speaker 1>is an enormous country. You can have droughts in one

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<v Speaker 1>part and floods in another part. They can happen. At

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. The government also was raising taxes on

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<v Speaker 1>people who really couldn't afford to pay them. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>it created an environment in which people were unhappy with

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<v Speaker 1>how things were, and so they decided to rebel, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we got the Taiping Rebellion. Now that story

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<v Speaker 1>gets super complicated, but the quick summary of the Taiping

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<v Speaker 1>Rebellion is that it was the bloodiest civil war ever

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in all of history. The dynasty was ultimately victorious.

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<v Speaker 1>They were able to stop the rebellion, but millions of

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<v Speaker 1>people died in the process, and the government was in

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<v Speaker 1>a weekend position afterward. Complicating matters further is that while

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<v Speaker 1>this civil war was happening, the Chinese government would also

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<v Speaker 1>have to deal with a second opium war, this time

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<v Speaker 1>against not just Britain but also France. The war started

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<v Speaker 1>after Britain sought to expand its trading rights in China

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<v Speaker 1>and essentially used an event in which Chinese officials boarded

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<v Speaker 1>a British ship and arrested several sailors as an excuse

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<v Speaker 1>to use a warship to bombard Canton. The French joined in,

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<v Speaker 1>and then hostilities increased until the British were able to

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<v Speaker 1>occupy the city of Tianjin. The Chinese government again was

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<v Speaker 1>forced to capitulate to disadvantageous trade deals with the West,

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<v Speaker 1>including a law that now made it legal to import

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<v Speaker 1>opium into Shanghai. Now, the Chinese government recognized that one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons that the British and French were so

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<v Speaker 1>successful in the Opium Wars was due to China's lack

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<v Speaker 1>of industrialization. Around eighteen sixty, the dynasty the government began

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<v Speaker 1>massive programs in an effort to industrialize China, but for

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<v Speaker 1>many reasons, those efforts failed, and getting into all those

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<v Speaker 1>reasons would take a podcast of its own, but a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it had to do with very different economic

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<v Speaker 1>and political structures in China compared to those in the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>which had of course already industrialized. The failures put the

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<v Speaker 1>government deep in debt and people were suffering. The dynasty

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<v Speaker 1>would hold on to power until around nineteen eleven nineteen twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>but these events that happened in the mid eighteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>effectively sewed the seeds for the dynasty's demise. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty much doomed based upon this, this group of

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<v Speaker 1>things that all happened around the same time, with the

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<v Speaker 1>various natural disasters, the rebellions, and the opium Wars. So

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I'm spending so much time on this is

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<v Speaker 1>to give you guys an understanding of where China was

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<v Speaker 1>as a country. It had lagged far behind the United Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 1>which had become industrialized nearly a century before the Opium

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<v Speaker 1>Wars had started. And in place of this dynasty was

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<v Speaker 1>a new government system called the Republic of China, which

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<v Speaker 1>was modeled after Western governments, particularly the United States. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution of the Republic of China called for a

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<v Speaker 1>separation of government powers into different branches in a very

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<v Speaker 1>similar way to the United States, with executive, judiciary, and

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<v Speaker 1>legislative branches. Now that's not to say this transition went smoothly.

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<v Speaker 1>Various regions in China fell under the rule of regional

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<v Speaker 1>war lords. They asserted their own control of their particular territories,

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<v Speaker 1>and they essentially ignored the Republic. Also, not long after

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<v Speaker 1>the founding of the Republic, there was another big shift

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<v Speaker 1>in politics. So over in Russia just next door, Vladimir

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<v Speaker 1>Lenin lad the October Revolution and established communism as the

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<v Speaker 1>system of government for Russia. Now, the ideal of communism

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<v Speaker 1>is that all class distinctions within a population are stripped away.

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<v Speaker 1>You no longer have upper, middle, and lower classes. None

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<v Speaker 1>of that exists anymore. There's no such thing as private property,

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<v Speaker 1>and the government is there to ensure that every person

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<v Speaker 1>works and is paid according to their abilities and their needs.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're able to work, you work, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you are paid according to how much you need in

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<v Speaker 1>order to survive. Ideally, everyone in such a society would

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<v Speaker 1>receive the support needed to in turn be a productive

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<v Speaker 1>member of that society. Concepts like profit are meaningless in

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<v Speaker 1>that idealization. But that's not really how communist governments have

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<v Speaker 1>tended to shake out. Rather, a lot of those government

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<v Speaker 1>has ended up being authoritarian structures that used government owned

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<v Speaker 1>assets to maintain power over the general population. So while

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<v Speaker 1>it was based on ideals of everyone is equal, it

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<v Speaker 1>turns into the animal farm example of some people are

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<v Speaker 1>more equal than others. The idea of such a system

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<v Speaker 1>in which people of a country are the ultimate owners

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<v Speaker 1>and the means of production was a very powerful one, though,

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<v Speaker 1>which explains why so many people signed on to that idea,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it turned out in practice it never really

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<v Speaker 1>manifested that way. Now, the Communist Party established a presence

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<v Speaker 1>in China in nineteen twenty one, which was just four

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<v Speaker 1>years after the October Revolution in Russia. While all this

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<v Speaker 1>turmoil was going on. China failed to kick off an

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<v Speaker 1>era of industrialization and fell further behind. Joseph Stalin, who

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<v Speaker 1>took over Russia upon Lennon's death in nineteen four would essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>through force of will, lead Russia through a process of industrialization.

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<v Speaker 1>But this process had tremendous costs and precipitated a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>famine in Russia. And you would think that that would

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<v Speaker 1>serve as an example for China. But we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>why that wasn't anyway. Starting in nineteen thirty one, Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>forces began to invade and occupy parts of China, and

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named maud Ze dong Uh climbed the ranks

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<v Speaker 1>of the Communist Party in the nineteen thirties. Eventually he

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<v Speaker 1>would become the chairman of the party. Now, after World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two and after two decades of what was essentially

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<v Speaker 1>civil war, Mao established the People's Republic of China in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty nine with the Communists in control of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they essentially erased the Republic of China, and

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<v Speaker 1>now you had the People's Republic of China. It was

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<v Speaker 1>not really a republic. The communist government was more authoritarian

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<v Speaker 1>than that, uh and Maw as chairman of the party,

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<v Speaker 1>was effectively the new head of state for China. The

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<v Speaker 1>United States, already wary of communism and in the early

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<v Speaker 1>stages of the Cold War, cut off trade and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of diplomatic ties with China entirely. At that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're gonna skip ahead to nine, Mao decides to

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<v Speaker 1>follow Stalin's lead and through sheer control, try to force

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<v Speaker 1>China through industrialization. He comes up with a five year plan.

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<v Speaker 1>He calls it the Great Leap Forward. Now, Mao wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to overtake the United Kingdom in industries like iron and steel.

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<v Speaker 1>But they call his particular strategy a mistake is to

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<v Speaker 1>drastically understate the results and the Great Leap Forward. Communities

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<v Speaker 1>in China were upended to meet Mao's vision, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were villages and towns were transformed into calm UNEs. Many

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<v Speaker 1>tasks were collectivized, stuff like childcare. They would all be

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<v Speaker 1>put into a centralized system and a few people would

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<v Speaker 1>be charged to handle looking after whatever those centralized tasks were.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people would be dedicated to farming, but a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people would be sent to work in small manufacturing facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Now also encouraged Chinese citizens to build backyard steel furnaces

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<v Speaker 1>and smelters in an effort to produce more steel within

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<v Speaker 1>China and thus reduced the country's need to depend upon

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<v Speaker 1>foreign sources of steel like the UK. So citizens were

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<v Speaker 1>actually expected to meet quotas of steel production, and in

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to actually meet these these government mandated quotas,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people were melting down useful stuff because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have any access to anything like or where

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<v Speaker 1>they could make steel by you know, smelting or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead they were melting down like pots, pans, tools, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that they actually really needed so that they could try

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<v Speaker 1>and meet these quotas. The problem was that the steel

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<v Speaker 1>that they were producing was pretty much useless. So not

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<v Speaker 1>only were they getting rid of things that they really needed,

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<v Speaker 1>they were producing steel that couldn't really be used for anything. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>on top of that, the farming practices that Mao insisted

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<v Speaker 1>upon adopting would end up causing enormous environmental harm and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up dropping crop yields over the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>So what followed was, just like in Russia, a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>famine within two years. The Great Leap Forward was largely abandoned.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly was abandoned before the five years were up. Historians

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<v Speaker 1>estimate that somewhere between twenty million to as many as

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<v Speaker 1>forty five million or more people died as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of this initiative. The attempt to produce steel had terrible consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>People were deforesting large sections of China in an effort

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<v Speaker 1>to fuel the smelters they were using. This in turn

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<v Speaker 1>led to erosion and flooding and other problems. And the

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<v Speaker 1>farming practices, as I said, they hurt the productivity of

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<v Speaker 1>the soil. Even early on when there was a bumper

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<v Speaker 1>crop of of food. In that first year, they actually

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<v Speaker 1>produced more food than they had anticipated. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that food ended up going to waste because there weren't

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<v Speaker 1>enough farmers to harvest it, all so rotted in the fields.

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<v Speaker 1>Mao's brute force approach to industrialization had failed and resulted

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<v Speaker 1>in the deaths of millions of people, and China was

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<v Speaker 1>lagging even further behind. Mal was not yet finished with

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<v Speaker 1>his efforts. I'll explain what I mean by that more

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<v Speaker 1>in just a moment, but first let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>In the wake of Mao's failure with the Great leap forward.

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<v Speaker 1>The Chairman of the Communist Party faced a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>criticism and opposition within the party, and that's pretty understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>His efforts had plunged China into a crisis of monumental magnitude,

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<v Speaker 1>with millions dying. Mostly those were people from rural cities

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<v Speaker 1>and the interior of China, because officials were shipping a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the food that was being produced at the

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<v Speaker 1>farms in those areas off to the coastal cities. So

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<v Speaker 1>the urban centers were getting more food than the rural

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<v Speaker 1>centers where the food was actually being grown, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the people who were growing the food were ironically starving

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<v Speaker 1>to death. Other members of the Communist Party worked to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sideline now. In fact, there was a plan

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<v Speaker 1>for mal to retain the title of Chairman of the

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<v Speaker 1>Communist Party, but for it to be mostly a ceremonial

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<v Speaker 1>title with no real power attached to it. Now obviously

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<v Speaker 1>did not care for that one bit. Meanwhile, over in

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union, while the greatly forward was kind of progressing,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a huge ship in politics. The Communist Party

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<v Speaker 1>was still in power in the Soviet Union, but they

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<v Speaker 1>had just renounced Stalin, who had died a few years earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>and so this was a move for Russia the distance

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<v Speaker 1>itself from the politics of Joseph Stalin, who was truly

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible dictator. Mal was worried that this indicated a

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<v Speaker 1>shift in the Communist Party in general that would ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>have him removed from power, and there was a distinct

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<v Speaker 1>philosophical disagreement on the nature of communism between the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union and China, and then the Soviet Union would cut

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<v Speaker 1>ties to China. In the process of this, they were

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<v Speaker 1>called some of their technical experts who were working in

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<v Speaker 1>China who were trying to usher along this industrialization which

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<v Speaker 1>had not yet really succeeded. And in nineteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>Mao calls for what he called a cultural Revolution, with

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<v Speaker 1>the stated goal being to sort of squelch the revolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>forces that Mao said were attempting to overthrow the Communist

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<v Speaker 1>Party and deny China It's place among the world's superpowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Mal would end up inspiring a lot of young people

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<v Speaker 1>to to carry out this vision, and they formed groups

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<v Speaker 1>called the Red Guard, and they would act out against

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<v Speaker 1>perceived enemies of Mao and his vision for China. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>that would actually include fighting with other Red Guard groups,

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<v Speaker 1>so you would have two different Red Guard groups throwing

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<v Speaker 1>down with like heavy weapons. Within a year, the various

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<v Speaker 1>Red Guard groups had captured and assaulted many leaders in

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<v Speaker 1>various regions of China, and China's official armed forces would

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<v Speaker 1>also engage in combat with the Red Guard groups, so

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<v Speaker 1>this became a multifaceted kind of internal struggle. Hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of people died in this and the country teetered

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<v Speaker 1>toward anarchy while mal was trying to reassert control. Regional

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<v Speaker 1>authorities would start to collect young people, specifically students in

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<v Speaker 1>urban centers, and then ship them off to work in

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<v Speaker 1>hard labor in the countryside in an effort to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of squelch this intellectualism that they viewed as a dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>um pursuit, something that would lead to unrest. Some leaders

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<v Speaker 1>of the Communist Party were tortured and killed by members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Red Guard. The revolution continued for a decade

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<v Speaker 1>as Mao did his best to maintain his position as

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of China, and in nineteen seventy six he

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<v Speaker 1>died at age eighty two after a series of heart attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when the Cultural Revolution really ended. It ended

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<v Speaker 1>with Mao's death and also the arrest of several other

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<v Speaker 1>high ranking members who were helping Mao. So after Mao's death,

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<v Speaker 1>a veteran of the People's Liberation Army or p l A,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the official armed forces of China ended up assuming

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<v Speaker 1>control of the country starting in nineteen seventy eight. That

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<v Speaker 1>person was Deng Xiaopeng. Now Dean would dramatically transformed China's

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<v Speaker 1>economic The country would reverse its policy of discouraging foreign investment,

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<v Speaker 1>though I should mention that Mao had really started down

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<v Speaker 1>that pathway. Now had actually met in secret with Henry

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<v Speaker 1>Kissinger in the early nineteen seventies and later much more

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<v Speaker 1>publicly with Richard Nixon. But beginning in earnest in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, China began to initiate drastic economic reform measures.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than take a centralized, state run approach to the market,

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<v Speaker 1>the government began to allow some free market activity and

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<v Speaker 1>began to delegate much of the authority to provincial and

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<v Speaker 1>local governments, thus decentralizing the whole process. Around nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 1>China established its open door policy. The country welcomed foreign

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<v Speaker 1>investment and the creation of a private sector within China

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<v Speaker 1>that would be guided by market forces, not by a

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<v Speaker 1>centralized authority. By the early nineteen nineties, China would become

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<v Speaker 1>the third largest economy in the world. The United States

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<v Speaker 1>and Japan were in positions one too. China offered up

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<v Speaker 1>tax incentives to encourage foreign investment and began to import

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<v Speaker 1>foreign technology to augment the country's manufacturing capabilities, and started

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<v Speaker 1>building out factories in its various regions, largely along the

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<v Speaker 1>coastal regions. Deng would simultaneously re established the Communist Party's

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<v Speaker 1>hold on the government, quelling all opposition, as would be

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<v Speaker 1>particularly evident during the Tianamen Square event in nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and the party would maintain control even as the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union dissolved and Russian President Boris Yeltson banned the Communist

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<v Speaker 1>Party from operating in Russia. Now, this uneasy balance between

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<v Speaker 1>a free market approach to the economy and the more

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<v Speaker 1>authoritarian approach to government led China into unprecedented growth. According

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<v Speaker 1>to a June twenty, two thousand nineteen report from the

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<v Speaker 1>Congressional Research Service, China's economy has effectively doubled in size

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<v Speaker 1>every eight years because the private enterprises have to respond

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<v Speaker 1>to market forces. They must adapt to remain competitive. Previously,

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<v Speaker 1>state owned enterprises really just had to meet state mandated quotas.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no competitive reason for you to try and

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<v Speaker 1>do better. You weren't. You weren't rewarded for making more

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<v Speaker 1>than your quota. You weren't even rewarded for making better

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<v Speaker 1>quality stuff. So the free market definitely had a big

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<v Speaker 1>influence in this. China's technological sophistication has depended heavily upon

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<v Speaker 1>the adoption of foreign technology rather than relying on a

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<v Speaker 1>domestic source of innovation, and that has been a really

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<v Speaker 1>huge issue, particularly recently in China. The country built a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of factories, and they were specializing in everything from

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<v Speaker 1>textiles to plastic. Manufacturing factories abounded in industrial centers in China,

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<v Speaker 1>again mostly near those coastline cities, and the country began

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<v Speaker 1>to build out factories that could build all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff, not to mention facilities where workers could assemble

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<v Speaker 1>finished projects like smartphones. In fact, that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things China is mostly known for, is not making stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but for assembling, for putting it all together. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>the chips and other elements in the smartphones would actually

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<v Speaker 1>come from other places like Europe or the US or Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>but the assembly would happen in China. This leads up

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<v Speaker 1>to why so many electronic devices are put together in China,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are a few really big reasons, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to try and touch on all of them. One

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<v Speaker 1>reason probably the one that is cited the most frequently,

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<v Speaker 1>although it's not necessarily the most important reason is the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of labor in China is much lower than in

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<v Speaker 1>many other parts of the world, like way way lower.

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<v Speaker 1>So an entry level manual job at fox Con, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the company responsible for an enormous percentage of the

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<v Speaker 1>electronics being assembled in China, including pretty much all of

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's electronics, the starting salary at one of fox cons

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<v Speaker 1>factories is four thousand, two hundred dollars a year. That's

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<v Speaker 1>three fifty dollars a month, or about eleven dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty cents per day. So that's one way you can

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<v Speaker 1>save a ton of money if you're an electronics company,

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<v Speaker 1>is by offshoring all this work to a country where

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<v Speaker 1>the wage is incredibly low. But there are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of other elements that are at least as important, if

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<v Speaker 1>not more so, because there are other places in the

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<v Speaker 1>world that actually pay workers even less than what you

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<v Speaker 1>would find in China. One of the reasons that is

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<v Speaker 1>just as important is that that low cost and labor

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<v Speaker 1>is that there's no shortage of people seeking jobs in China.

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<v Speaker 1>There is an enormous under employed workforce in China, and

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<v Speaker 1>because it's under employed and they are eager to work,

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<v Speaker 1>it is very easy for a factory to scale up

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<v Speaker 1>production in response to a demand from a company like Apple. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, every year, Apple holds its big event in

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<v Speaker 1>September where it announces the latest in usually it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>phone line, and then it follows that up by releasing

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<v Speaker 1>the new phone. Well. Obviously those phones have to be

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<v Speaker 1>well through the manufacturing process by the time Apple gets

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<v Speaker 1>around to announcing it in September, and there need to

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<v Speaker 1>be enough to meet the initial demand. So production for

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<v Speaker 1>that super secret phone begins much earlier, and typically you

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 1>see companies like fox Con ramp up in June because

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<v Speaker 1>that's when they start putting together these phones that have

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<v Speaker 1>to be ready by September. So in those cases, fox

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<v Speaker 1>Con needs to scale up. They don't want to have

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<v Speaker 1>full capacity all year round. There's no need for it,

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<v Speaker 1>but when the demand calls for it, they can scale

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<v Speaker 1>up and hire a bunch of people, and they will

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>hire thousands upon thousands of contract workers who will have

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<v Speaker 1>a limited contract to work there for a certain number

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>of months, and those folks can join onto the company

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>essentially overnight to meet the demand and scale up production.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just not possible in places like the United States,

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>so China's workforce can meet quick turnaround deadlines. On top

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>of that, in China, it's not unusual for people to

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>live extremely close to the factories. In fact, a lot

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>of these factories, Fox Con in particular, have dorms set

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>up where people can live in the dorms for a

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>fairly low cost and work right next door to where

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>they're living, or kind of next door to where they're living.

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<v Speaker 1>And that makes a huge difference too, because it means

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<v Speaker 1>that if the company gets a call in the mill

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>of the night in China that a change needs to

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>happen in the design of a product, they can make

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that change, call in the workforce, get them out of bed,

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 1>get them over onto the assembly line, and start churning

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>out phones with this new, updated change and not have

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>any problems in the supply chain. And speaking of supply chain,

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>if you've listened to some of the recent episodes of

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff, you've heard me talk about supply chains a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>The supply chain is incredibly important for any business. Making

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>a supply chain efficient and dependable is critical. And because

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<v Speaker 1>there are so many facilities in China that can manufacture

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>components from screws or maybe they cut pains of glass

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to make displays, it makes logistical sense to locate much

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 1>of the manufacturing process in China. The more you can

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>concentrate the production of these various components within a region,

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the more efficient you can make the whole supply chain,

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:00.080
<v Speaker 1>and the faster you can react to market demand. That

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>also translates to big savings for the part of whatever

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>company is ultimately marketing this product. Big savings means that

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>then if you're this company, you can mark up the

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 1>price to a hefty amount and sell it to the

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>final customer for a nice profit. You keep more that

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>filthy lucre yourself, so while you're saving money on the

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>production costs of the electronics, you're making tons because the

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>final price tag. And Apple is particularly good at this,

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>with really high profit margins for many of its products. Now,

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the flip side of all of this is that the

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>people enjoying the electronics, people like me, are doing so

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>at a really tremendous human cost, and it's a human

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>cost most of us can't see, and I would argue

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>it's one that a lot of us can't even really imagine,

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>in large part because of the truly massive scale of

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing in China. So let me paint you a picture here.

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Fox Con, the company I mentioned earlier, has tons of factories,

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>but one of the ones that gets a lot of

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>attention in particular is located in Shenzhen and is called

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>fox Con City. At least that's the nickname for it.

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 1>That gives you an indication of how big this manufacturing

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>facility is. It really is like a city. Now. The

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>official name for this site is the long Wa Science

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and Technology Park. The number of people working there is astounding,

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and there's a pretty wide range of estimations about the

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>total number of employees working at that particular site, because again,

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the demand could call for a larger number of people

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>at one time of year and a smaller number for

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>a different time of year. But the range tends to

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>be between two hundred thirty thousand on the low side,

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>up to near half a million people on the upper side. Now,

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the average number of employees are

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.719
<v Speaker 1>if you were to take the full year to consideration,

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.719
<v Speaker 1>but I think we could probably summarize it as a

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of people. I mean, two thirty thousand alone,

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a lot of people. The park has

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>more than a dozen factories inside of it, and from

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.239
<v Speaker 1>what I understand, it would take you more than an

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>hour to walk all the way across it. There are

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>also lots of other facilities within this park. They're including

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>a hospital, movie theater, restaurants, a bank. Uh, there's a

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>television network located there. There's also those dormitories there, which

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 1>is where about twenty five percent of the employees of

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.959
<v Speaker 1>the park live. Uh. Those employees are frequently working twelve

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.479
<v Speaker 1>hour shifts six days a week to get one day off.

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>That's it. Another fox Con city is in xeng Ju,

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>which is in the Hanan province. Now, according to Business Insider,

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>this facility can produce as many as a half million

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 1>iPhones in a single day. The same article that gave

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>me that information are a pretty disturbing bit of data. Now.

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>According to the article, which in case you want to

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:09.479
<v Speaker 1>look it up, is called Inside iPhone City, the massive

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Chinese factory town where half of the world's iPhones are produced.

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 1>The cities around Shinshu are given quotas for the number

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>of workers each place should provide the factory. So, in

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>other words, let's say that you're you've got a village

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>that's close to Xingshu, you might have a specific quota

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>saying you have to send twenty people to serve as

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>employees of this factory. Now this sounds terrifying to me,

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>but I should add that the city is in one

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 1>of the poorer provinces of China, and there's actually not

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a shortage of people who want to earn a living

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>by working in fox Con. There are a lot of

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 1>people who are clambering to get a job there because

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>jobs in China are scarce, at least jobs that pay

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>anything close to the wages that fox Con does. Because

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 1>even though those wages I cited earlier very low, it's

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>still high compared to other jobs in China. The Business

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Insiders story also states that some of the schools around

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>this particular fox Con factory requires students to work at

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the factory as part of their credits towards graduation. Now,

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the work tends to be limited to a specific task

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>if you're on the production line, so the production line

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:28.840
<v Speaker 1>employees have to repeat the same task hundreds of times

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 1>per day, and assembling a device like a smartphone could

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>require several hundred steps, So employees are arranged through the

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 1>production line to do one of those steps over and

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 1>over and over again before it then gets handed off

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 1>to the next employee to do the next step. And

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>that step could be a something like soldering an element

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>on a circuit board, or it could be polishing a screen,

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 1>or it could be just you know, inserting a screw

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and tightening it. It could be anything like that. It

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>could be really tiny, and then you just keep doing

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>that all day long. When overtime is available, a lot

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.879
<v Speaker 1>of people jump at the chance to work overtime. They

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>might work a twelve or fourteen hours shift before heading

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>back to the dorms. Rent and the dorms tends to

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>be around twenty five dollars a month, and sometimes you

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 1>don't think of it as rent. Sometimes that's more like

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.359
<v Speaker 1>you're paying for electricity. But whatever it is, it ends

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>up being taken out of out of people's paychecks kind

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>of reminds me of the company store days, as is

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>made immortal in the song sixteen Tons. Then when nightfalls,

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the night shift comes in, and the night shift does

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the same thing that the day shift does, only of

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>course they do it overnight. And according to that same

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Business Insider article, the overtime pay can boost the monthly

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>salary up to seven five dollars a month. That translates

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>to an annual salary of nine thousand, four hundred twenty dollars.

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Now that is assuming, of course that you were able

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to get steady year round work at overtime, but you can't,

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I said it, the demand for work changes throughout

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:14.879
<v Speaker 1>the year, so you wouldn't necessarily be able to have

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>that level of salary all year round. And a lot

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of the reports say that most people end up working

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 1>at the factory for about a year before they search

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>for work somewhere else. That turnover is incredibly high, but

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:33.400
<v Speaker 1>again because there's such a huge population of underemployed people,

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>that's not that hasn't really been a big concern with

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the part of factories. They can very quickly replace people

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>when we come back. I'll talk a little bit more

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>about where China is today and what all the tariffs

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 1>and stuff mean in the short term. But first let's

0:36:51.400 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>take another quick break. Okay, So China factories are assembling

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 1>most of the world's electronics. From the perspective of a

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 1>company designing electronics, marketing the things, you know, a company

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>like Apple or Samsung or Amazon, you can understand why

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>they're doing this. I mean, it's cheap, it's scalable to

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>your needs, the supply chain logistics workout. It also hinges

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>on the economic realities of living in China. That's a

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>little harder to get your mind wrapped around. And in

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the last segment, I described the conditions around assembling Apple products.

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>But please note that is just an example. It's a

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 1>very high profile example because it's been the news several

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 1>times since. But I am not trying to single out

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Apple here and say that company in particular has been

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>guilty of this. Pretty Much every major electronics company is

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 1>dependent upon Chinese factories at some point in their production process,

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them in that assembly part. And there

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of reports that suggest fox Con is

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>actually one of the better companies operating in China in

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 1>this regard. This is particularly difficult to understand when the

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 1>reports came out in two about Fox KHN employees committing suicide.

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>The economic realities for China are such that jobs at

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.759
<v Speaker 1>places like fox Khn actually represent a more lucrative way

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>to earn money than a lot of alternatives that are

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 1>available to your average Chinese citizen, particularly those Chinese citizens

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>who live in those interior cities far from the coastal cities.

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 1>China has a very long way to go before conditions

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>improved to a point where most of us would feel

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>comfortable learning about how our gadgets were being assembled. This

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 1>is a process that took decades and more than a

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>little violence. In other parts of the world. The history

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>of industrialization is a history that's also filled with unions, demonstrations, riots,

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>and more so for China, we have to remember it's

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>very early days now. Going back to the story about

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>the suicides, the reports were shocking to Western audiences. Fox

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>kN after all, was pretty much working as the manufacturing

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and assembly arm of Apple's products, and Apple's image was

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:15.320
<v Speaker 1>a company that made aesthetically pleasing technology for a customer

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>base that frequently thought of itself as enlightened, maybe even

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a little bit elitist, and this contrasted in very ugly

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>ways to the reports of how things were at the

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>fox Con facilities. So in two there were eighteen reported

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.760
<v Speaker 1>suicide attempts at the shen Jin fox Con facility, almost

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>all of which involved people climbing to the top of

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>a dorm building and jumping off of it. Of those,

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>fourteen people were confirmed dead. The reports were shocking around

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.439
<v Speaker 1>the world, and the world turned its focus to fox Con,

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>which attempted to address the issue in various ways, including,

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and I am not making this up, they installed nets

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>around the base of the buildings to catch people if

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.840
<v Speaker 1>they should throw themselves off the roof rooftops, which is

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:05.240
<v Speaker 1>pretty terrifying now. According to fox Con employees and former

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>fox Con employees, the culture at fox Con was largely

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 1>responsible for the suicides and attempted suicides. A lot of

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 1>people said the work was really boring and repetitive, and

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the hours were really long, but that wasn't as big

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a factor as the tendency for management to publicly humiliate

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>workers who made mistakes. The allegation was that fox Con

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 1>managers would use shame and humiliation to cower employees, and that,

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.959
<v Speaker 1>combined with the high stress and monotony of the work,

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 1>is what led to a lot of people breaking down.

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Companies like Apple have put pressure on factories in China

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to improve conditions, though the extent to which that's been done,

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.240
<v Speaker 1>or even the extent to how hard these foreign companies

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 1>like Apple have actually pushed the Chinese factories is still

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 1>a matter of some contentions. Some people say not enough

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 1>has been done in either case, but it is true

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that companies like Amazon, Apple, and Samsung and more could

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>use leverage to force improvements in Chinese worker conditions. China

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>is also in the middle of a shift in its

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>economic model. So up to fairly recent times, the earlier

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:22.719
<v Speaker 1>model really stressed rapid economic growth at any cost. The

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>thought was China has to catch up to the rest

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>of the world. However, when you say any cost and

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you take it to heart, then you end up racking

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>up a lot of actual costs in the process. In

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.360
<v Speaker 1>this case, we're talking about pretty severe ones, stuff like

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 1>environmental damage, pollution, over capacity for production. You know, China

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>built too many facilities in some cases, so there was

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, the supply was exceeding demand and that's not

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>good for the long run either. There is also a

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of issues with corporate debt, as China was creating

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 1>these various loan structure ars out of its state run

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.720
<v Speaker 1>banking system. So China is now shifting to a less

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>aggressive economic model, something that's supposed to be more sustainable.

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 1>It's trying to invest also in innovation instead of relying

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>so much on foreign companies and foreign technology to come

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:19.879
<v Speaker 1>to China and then for China to just act as

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 1>like the final assembling station for all these other companies.

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 1>China announced a vision of this future in which the

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>country would be innovating and designing products, not just assembling them.

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 1>And they announced this back in It's the initiatives called

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the Made in China twenty twenty five, and there's an

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>overarching goal of turning China into quote a world manufacturing

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 1>power end quote by twenty nine. Now, recently there's been

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of reporting about companies moving manufacturing out of

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 1>China entirely or at least in large part, and part

0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:00.760
<v Speaker 1>of this has to do with wage is in China

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>slowly improving. So here's the sad thing about capitalism, right,

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 1>is that as conditions are improving for people in one country,

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>companies start to look to move manufacturing out of that

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 1>country because the improving conditions equate to rising costs. Rising

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>costs equate to lower profits. Lower profits equate two, I

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be here anymore ya capitalism. So it's

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:34.400
<v Speaker 1>cheaper to make some stuff in other Asian countries like Vietnam.

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, some people refer to this as factory Asia,

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>and that the companies that are making these products or

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:46.320
<v Speaker 1>designing the products are kind of juggling which country should

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 1>do the manufacturing and assembly. Now, on top of this

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 1>rising wage issue that companies aren't necessarily crazy about, there's

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<v Speaker 1>the tariff situation, and the tariffs put these expensive, uh

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<v Speaker 1>well expensive tariffs on all these different products coming in

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<v Speaker 1>and out of China, and that as a result means

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 1>that companies have to figure out how to deal with

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>that added cost of production, and most companies are going

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 1>to pass that on to the customer because otherwise you're

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.359
<v Speaker 1>talking about eating into profits. One work around around this,

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.160
<v Speaker 1>which I know is a bit repetitive, but it's really sneaky,

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 1>at least in my opinion. The workaround is to move

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the final assembly of a product to a different country

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.840
<v Speaker 1>like Vietnam, but still depending upon Chinese facilities to supply

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:42.240
<v Speaker 1>various components for this finished product. But because the actual

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 1>product would be assembled somewhere other than China, the company

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.360
<v Speaker 1>responsible for that product could say that the product was

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>made in or assembled in Vietnam as opposed to China,

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and by pushing the final production step out of China,

0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 1>a company could avoid having to pay some of those

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 1>pesky arra. Meanwhile, there are other issues that China is

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<v Speaker 1>having to face in this same time. One of those

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>is that you know, they had that enormous population of

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>underemployed working age employees, people who are the appropriate age

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 1>to work in factories, and I say appropriate age. There's

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 1>also been a lot of allegations of child labor issues

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>in China, which I didn't really go into, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of accusations that that sort of stuff happens

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>throughout China as well. But that number is actually going down,

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the number of underemployed people in China who are able

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>and willing to work, and that's largely because China has

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>had a lower fertility rate for several years. China institute

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>a one child policy, which then meant that families were

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 1>having fewer children, and it means that the population itself

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 1>was starting to shrink, and so as a result of that,

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 1>you have fewer people of the correct age to go

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 1>to work to fill up all those positions. This is

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily always a bad thing, but because China's previous

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>economic model depended upon having a very readily available workforce

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and under employed workforce that you could tap into when

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you needed it in order to spur rapid economic growth,

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.959
<v Speaker 1>that was the real issue. Now that China is trying

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to shift away from that model, it might be able

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to better serve the citizens who need work and to

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 1>provide them better wages, but that is an issue that

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>China is facing right now, is this reduction in that

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.840
<v Speaker 1>enormous labor force. On top of that, the other things

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:50.279
<v Speaker 1>that are kind of on the horizon that China is

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 1>a bit worried about are things like automation. Automation would

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 1>be beneficial on the bottom line for a company's spreadsheets,

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 1>but it's not great for you know, your your population

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 1>that is largely dependent upon repetitive, mundane work. I mean,

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the sort of work that is ideal in

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 1>order to automate. Right, If you can put automated systems

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:20.720
<v Speaker 1>in there, they could take over a job that would

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>normally be done by, you know, hundreds of employees. You

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.919
<v Speaker 1>can save a lot on costs in the long run.

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:32.839
<v Speaker 1>And because China has worked so hard for so long too,

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 1>almost criminalized intellectualism. There were there were long periods where

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the school systems in China were effectively shut down as

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.840
<v Speaker 1>all these different periods of strife were going on. It

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>puts China at a slight disadvantable more than a slight disadvantage,

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>at a disadvantage when it comes to pursuing innovation. The

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 1>country is trying to do a lot to counteract that today. Now,

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:01.680
<v Speaker 1>as I said at the beginning of this episode, this

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 1>is a very complicated type of of topic. Uh, there

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.279
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things I haven't really gone into

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 1>a huge amount of detail on. I've taken a very

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:12.399
<v Speaker 1>high level for a lot of this, but I wanted

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 1>to kind of explain what was going on, why so

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 1>many things are being made in China. You hear the excuse, Oh,

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just cheaper, but why is it cheaper there? You

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>have to ask that question too, And again, some of

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:28.280
<v Speaker 1>it is about the wages. Some of it's about supply chain,

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 1>some of it's about the readiness of a huge workforce

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that can scale up a process very rapidly and thus

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:40.360
<v Speaker 1>cut down on any delay times between changes in production.

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 1>All of these are factors that are important for things

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:46.439
<v Speaker 1>to be made in China, but it's also the sort

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>of stuff that's happening in other areas, particularly in Asia,

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's why a lot of the companies that had

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>been relying on China have already started moving out even

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>before the tariff situation became a thing. There are companies

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>we're looking to move out of China and stop depending

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.400
<v Speaker 1>so heavily upon China itself, largely because again, those wages

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 1>were starting to go up and that was beginning to

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:11.160
<v Speaker 1>impact the bottom line. Fun times, this is the sort

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.239
<v Speaker 1>of stuff I don't like to think about when I

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>sit there and look at a cool new device or

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>gadget that I really want to get my hands on,

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.759
<v Speaker 1>because as I started to think about what actually goes

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 1>into making it, I start to feel perhaps my desire

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to own that piece of technology isn't important enough to

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.720
<v Speaker 1>justify all the stuff that happened On the flip side.

0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:35.439
<v Speaker 1>If it didn't happen there. If if the jobs had

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 1>not existed in China, there'd be people who arguably be

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.800
<v Speaker 1>even worse off than they are already because they wouldn't

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.239
<v Speaker 1>have had a job in the first place to earn

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:49.760
<v Speaker 1>that money. So it's very difficult to get my mind

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:54.520
<v Speaker 1>around it and to accept how ethical or unethical the

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.479
<v Speaker 1>whole thing is. It's a very very complicated problem. And

0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:01.800
<v Speaker 1>this is what happens when you get into a world

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<v Speaker 1>where you have a global economy with this capability of

0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing and having your manufacturing processes all around the world. Uh.

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.359
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0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:17.200
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