1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: DJ. 5 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Buck back with you, Buck? What is going on? 6 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 2: Man? 7 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: You seem to be a little bit happy today. 8 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, DJ, like I'm trying to. I'm trying 9 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: to get to think off. 10 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 3: I didn't have a chance to put on my Dodger 11 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 3: sweatshirt in my hat, but I'm trying to get the 12 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 3: confetti off after celebrating the Dodgers win last night. And 13 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: it's fun because you know, we normally do this after 14 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 3: championship things like we begin to talk about teams and 15 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: team building and things that we might have learned along 16 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: the way and watching the team win one. So it's 17 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: gonna be fun to maybe have a little chat sometime 18 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: about the Dodgers and how. 19 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: They So we can do it now. Let's do it 20 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: now because we'll get to we have a game of 21 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: the week. We'll hit that a little bit later. But 22 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: I want to carved out the time here, even as 23 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: someone who is a fan of a rival, a bitter rival, 24 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: a Padre team that really gave the Dodgers a run 25 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: for it. They're lost in five games, in the divisional round. 26 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: But the look, even as someone who roots against the Dodgers, admittedly, 27 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: I have a ton of respect for how they've built 28 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: their organization and the consistency that they've they've had and 29 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: this has been a long run since Freedman got there. 30 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: From the Rays and Dave Roberts, who we've had on 31 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: the show before, we might even post some of that conversations, 32 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: who's been great. But I was struck, as someone who 33 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: follows baseball closely and watches a lot of that team 34 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: that even though the money they spent in the offseason 35 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: and the stars and Otani and Yamamoto and all that 36 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: buck there was there's a reason why they had been 37 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: so good, but having been able to finish the last 38 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: few years, I felt like, you love the word grit, 39 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: and you mentioned it all the time, but I felt 40 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: like this Dodger team, down down two games to one 41 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: in a five game series, they had more grit and 42 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: kind of more toughness. I think it's if we're going 43 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: to go to the components of why this team won 44 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: a World Series from a team building standpoint, I would 45 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: give you two words. I would say depth. Obviously, to 46 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: overcome a lot of the pitching injuries, and then I 47 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: would say grit. Those would be the two words I 48 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: would give to that Dodger team. 49 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: And I think it's important to reference grit. 50 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 3: The way that I would see it with the Dodgers 51 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: is what Angela Duckworth described it as. 52 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: It's passion and perseverance for your long term goals. 53 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 3: And so when you think about the passion, we always 54 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: talk about this and the scouting business man, I want 55 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: people who love it, not just like it. I want 56 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: them to be passionate about the game. They eat, sleep, 57 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: and breathe the game. They do everything that you know, 58 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: like it's not oh I have to, No, I want to. 59 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 3: I want to do the extra stuff. I want to 60 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 3: do the BP. I want to take all the ground 61 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: balls and those things. So they have guys who are passionate. 62 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: But then the perseverance DJ the guys that can bounce back, 63 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: that have gone through hard things and kind of do it. 64 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: So think about all the things that Freddie Freeman has 65 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: had to deal with off the diamond while still being 66 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: a great player on the diamond. You think about Mookie 67 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: Bests kind of bouncing around, Hey, you know what, I'm 68 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: playing second base or short stop and go to the 69 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: outfield and do all these other things. You put yourself 70 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: out there to be embarrassed, but you're willing to do 71 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: it because you're tough enough to stand the criticism and 72 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 3: all the things. 73 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: That come with it. 74 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: And as you start to look at the team and 75 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 3: look at some of the hardships that we always talk 76 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: about John Gordon's things, hebro highlight hardship, all of those things. 77 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: When you have some of that and you have a 78 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: team full of those guys that have had to endure 79 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: some tough moments, it gives you a collective grit and 80 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: hardened shill that you need to have to be able 81 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: to win the title. 82 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it was a formula where 83 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: you had stars. Obviously, the big stars. Freddy Freeman was unbelievable. 84 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: So you've got kind of your stars. You don't need 85 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: all of them if you can get and that's the 86 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: same thing in football, if you can get a collection. 87 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: You know in football you need more, obviously, but if 88 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: you can get a collection of those guys, you don't 89 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: need all of them to be humming at the same time. 90 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: But the stars play at that star level, which Freddy 91 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: Freeman did kind of carry them a little bit during 92 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: the World Series. But then it's the next tier of 93 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: guys that quote unquote glue guys like Tommy Ede and 94 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: was the you know, was the most valuable player in 95 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: the in the NLC. Yes, you have Keiky Aernandez. You 96 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: know some of those guys. I think from a football standpoint, 97 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: if we're going to try and do that on a 98 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: football podcast, you know, I would say, hey, we need 99 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: our blue players. And you know, however, many of those 100 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: you think you need to win, you know, seven eight 101 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: of those blue chip, blue chip players, and then we've 102 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: got to have other guys who can. It's gonna they're 103 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: gonna have their moments, they're gonna have their games. Whether 104 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: that's a defensive tackle who gets you two or three 105 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: tackles for lost in a big game, whether that's a 106 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: slot receiver who because it's a favorable matchup and they're 107 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: taking away your stud on the outside, he can he 108 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: can make you pay. Like it's those glue guys. I 109 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: think too that if you're gonna win a championship, you 110 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: got to have that depth of your roster. 111 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that that's that's an underrated aspect to 112 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: a championship team is are the glue guys, the guys 113 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: that are kind of behind, not even necessarily behind the scenes, 114 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: but the guys that are your role players, who are 115 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: not the stars, but you can count on them to 116 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: be key contributors when the numbers are called, and it 117 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: might be a backup player who has to go in 118 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: and be a utility man and fill in the depench. 119 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: It may be someone who comes in to run bases, 120 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: pinch hit, whatever it is, lay down a sacrifice funt. 121 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: It's really about that in DJ It's funny because I 122 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: think off we talked about this was not the best 123 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 3: Dodgers team that we saw from top to bottom in 124 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: terms of their talent, but. 125 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: They're the team that wins it. 126 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: And we've always said this, it's not the best teams 127 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: that win, it's the teams that are the most connected. 128 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: And I think you could sense the connectivity throughout the team. 129 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: They were really bonded in those things. People that talk 130 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: about culture and those things, but really the right culture 131 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: will create the means to have a connected team that 132 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: allows you to win at the highest level. 133 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: The other point I would make is, you know there's 134 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: teams that get crushed for not finishing it right, the Dodgers, 135 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: and they won a World Series in twenty twenty. But 136 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: the teams that get in the tournament every year, you're 137 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: not gonna win every year, but man, you give yourself 138 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: a chance, like just getting in there every single year. 139 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: I know, I was thinking of a team like the Niners. Yeah, 140 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: Ob would say the Dodgers won one in twenty twenty. 141 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: The Niners haven't won one. You got to go back further. 142 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: But this iteration of the forty nine ers has been 143 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: knocking on the door every single year, and eventually it's like, hey, 144 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: we keep doing this, eventually we're going to get the 145 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: break that we need. We're going to have you know, 146 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: things are going to go our way. But like you can't, 147 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: you can't label teams say oh, they just can't finish it, 148 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, there's something to be said for 149 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: getting in the tournament and giving yourself an opportunity year 150 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: after year after year. 151 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: So it's the old Atlanta Braves philosophy or phenomenon. 152 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: The Braves won have very many division titles. They won 153 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: way back. 154 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: Like twelve ar old, something crazy like that, and they 155 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: were always in the conversation, only won one World Series. 156 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 3: But DJ to me, I think as a team builder, 157 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: that's kind of what you want. You just always want 158 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: to be in the conversation. You always want to be 159 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: down here knowing that you are eventually going to knock 160 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 3: it down. And hey, if you fall short in the 161 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: in the in the semis or divisional round or the championship, 162 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: it doesn't crush you because you're like, hey, you know what, 163 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: We're gonna be right back and you're always gonna have 164 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: to talk about us, and everyone is okay with that. 165 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: And I will say this, for teams to be. 166 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: Able to do it, there must be a level of 167 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: stability and consistency to do it. When all of the 168 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 3: conversation was about Dave robertson how they need to move on, 169 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: he can't get them over the top despite winning however 170 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: many division titles they won, the Dodgers stayed the course, 171 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: and sometimes I believe in pro sports teams have to 172 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: just stay the course. 173 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: You can't just change for the sake of changing because 174 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: you have a down year. 175 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: It is about the long term plan, division and making 176 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: sure that you put it together. 177 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: I would throw another team in there, the Bills, like 178 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: the Josh Josh Allen version of the Bills. And you 179 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: think about like the Niners with the stability coach, general manager, 180 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: think about the Bills stability coach, general manager. Yes, you know, 181 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: Josh Allen obviously gives them the star power. The Niners 182 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: have had a bunch of stars on their team, but 183 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: that those are two teams that, hey, there, they're consistentstantly, 184 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: they're each and every year and they just got to 185 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: they gotta knock down the door. 186 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: And here's the thing about the Buffalo Bills, because I 187 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: believe I need to have this conversation about the Bills 188 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: because they are people who feel like I've been banned 189 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: from Bills Mafia given my affiliation with the Bills as 190 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: a player once. But I would say this, didn't think 191 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: the Bills were going to be a formidable team this 192 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: year because I feel like, man, that was a lot 193 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: to lose. 194 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: But DJ, when you look at the Bills and you 195 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: look at the. 196 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: Way they are crushing teams, when you look at the wins, 197 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 3: they are absolutely crushing teams. If they continue the trend 198 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: where they're improving, like they're improving on the field, they 199 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: may emerge as the biggest threat to the Kansas City 200 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: Chiefs in terms of being able to thwart the three 201 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: peet because this team is trending in the right direction 202 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: and appears that the pieces of the polls are in 203 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: place for them to kind of vibe for the type. 204 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: And it's no secret they're good upfront on the offensive line. 205 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: They can there be they're running the ball well, they 206 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: can move you at the line of scrimmage. And then defensively, 207 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: I went back and watched that tape against Seattle. They 208 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: can rush four and they're getting pressure with four and 209 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: they man, they are so good in zone like, you 210 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: got to give me a lot of credit. They see, 211 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: they see everything, and they close in a hurry. Those 212 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: windows disappear in their zone coverage. So that's a team. Again, 213 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: they're very well coached, they're very tough, and they have 214 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: a star quarterback that is no matter you have a 215 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: piece leave here or there that is going to put 216 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: you in the tournament every single year. 217 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: And so the tough thing is identifying the star quarterback 218 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: and identifying the traits that the star quarterback must have. 219 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: And it's not only the physical traits. 220 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 3: DJ and I think on the heels of the conversation 221 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: that is kind of running rampant in league circles about 222 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson and and tangibles and those things. It's really 223 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: important to acknowledge Josh Allen has to write intangibles. We 224 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: could talk about like what he couldn't necessarily do when 225 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 3: he was on I mean, how woefully inaccurate he was, 226 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: But you never could talk about the cowboy mentality, the 227 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 3: toughness that he displayed in leading that team. And also 228 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: DJ let's talk about the grit that he had to 229 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: display playing with what we would call a short handed 230 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: team against other teams. He didn't have all of the 231 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 3: luxuries that some had in terms of, oh, I got 232 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: a first round pick on the outside, I got this 233 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: and this left tackle and all that. 234 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 2: He didn't have it. 235 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: And sometimes when you play with less at a younger age, 236 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: it prepares you to play with less in the NFL level, 237 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: which Josh Allen has been able to do. But also 238 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: he's been able to play with talented players as well. 239 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's uh, it's interesting to see the kind 240 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: of connection there. Anyways, I do. I do love baseball. 241 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: I've got respect for the Dodgers and congratulations if you're 242 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: a Dodger fan on winning the World Series. I want one, 243 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: just I just want one for my podres before I 244 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: before I go six feet under the ground. Just one 245 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: at some point in time, that would be nice. I 246 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: would like to have that. But I do love these conversations, 247 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: and I trust me. I looked it up the other day, Buck, 248 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: because we've we've been able to go to the Winter 249 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: meetings when they're in San Diego, which has been I 250 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: mean literally of all the stuff that we've done and 251 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: we are if we go a football show, it was 252 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: fun and the baseball guys love seeing us as much 253 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: as we love seeing the baseball guys. It's kind of 254 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: like a cross. Is this inding you again? It's in Dallas. 255 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: It's in Dallas, which I have. I have my daughters 256 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: in Dallas. I'm like, I don't know, budget wise, can 257 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: I can I convince them? I'm like, I don't think 258 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: that's going to be in the cards this year. But man, 259 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: I always enjoy just being around kind of the team 260 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: building aspect of it. It's a it's a great time. 261 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: All right, Let's take a quick break. 262 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: We come back. 263 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: We will hit on the game of the week, which 264 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: is Lions at Packers right after this. 265 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 4: It's time for the Game of the Week presented by 266 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 4: Draft King Sportsbook. This week is the Lions at the Packers. 267 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 4: The spread is minus three and a half favorite of Lions. 268 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 4: The over under is forty eight and a half. In DJ, 269 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: there's sometimes where we kind of have to manufacture game 270 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 4: of the week. We try and talk about, Hey, how 271 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: are we going to do this? And this game is yeah, now, 272 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 4: this one, this is. 273 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: A five star game. This is one where we get 274 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: a chance to see the heavyweights. 275 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: And we've worked for teams and it's always a little 276 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: special when you know that one of those games is 277 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: coming up. It changes the energy and the building practices 278 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: are a little more lively. 279 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: You understand what is at stake. And so for the Lions, who. 280 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: I would say are new to the heavyweight division, the Packers, 281 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: who've been a perennial heavyweight, this is going to be 282 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: one that I can't wait to see. 283 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: And the fact that it is in Green Bay, it 284 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: should be a lot of fun. Yeah, I mean, you've 285 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: got six and one, six and two. It is going 286 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: to be an absolute war and I'm looking forward to it. 287 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: To me, if you're looking at it from the Lions 288 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: side of things, we'll start there. They're going to try 289 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: and bludgeon the Packers. I mean, that's what they're going 290 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: to try and do. They're going to come out and 291 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: try and run the ball and be physical with them 292 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: and establish the line of scrimmage. I'd be shocked if 293 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: we see anything other than that early on this ball game. 294 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: Oh one like this is the mo of the Lions. 295 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: The Lions didn't play great against Tennessee Titans, but found 296 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: the way to flex their muscles when they needed the 297 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 2: fact that your quarterback can throw for fewer than ninety 298 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 2: yards and you win a game in the National Football 299 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: League by the margin that they won their last one, 300 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: it's a really good team. 301 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: And it's funny because Dan Campbell was the butt up 302 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: jokes early. 303 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 2: But he has now built a team in his image. Tough, hard, 304 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: very competitive, They get after it, and he's very honestly 305 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: and transparent with it. 306 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: This game DJ the Lions, They're gonna force you to 307 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: deal with their force while defending their finesse. You're gonna 308 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: have to deal with the running game and the offensive 309 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: line and being able to control the trenches while also 310 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: running around with the playmakers that they have on the outside. 311 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: If there's a team that can do it. I'm gonna 312 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: say this, man, the Green Bay Packers are talented. Like 313 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: all of the investment that they have made in their 314 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: defense when it comes to first round talent, the way 315 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: that they have developed it. They found the defensive coordinator 316 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: Jeff Hadley, who look, he only wants these guys to 317 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: do two things. I want you to get maximum effort. 318 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: I want you to be obsessed with taking the ball away. 319 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: They do that, They're all over the field. This is 320 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: a really competitive matchup, man, this is going to go 321 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 3: to the late stages of the game. 322 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: Before this was decided, I know the Lions have been 323 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: unbelievable offense. They scored twenty four offensive touchdowns their last 324 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: five games and just twenty incompletions. That makes them the 325 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: first team with more offensive tds than completions in a 326 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: five game span since nineteen fifty. So that's from the 327 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: next Gen stats nuggets here, So that tells you how 328 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: hot they are now. The fascinating thing. The other nugget 329 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: I've pulled from the next Gen stuff, the Packers have 330 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: blitz the third lowest rate eighteen point five percent, but 331 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: they've generated pressure on fifty one point eight percent of 332 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: their blitzes this season, the fourth highest rate in the NFL. 333 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: So they've got a mix of they can pick their 334 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: spots of when they want to do it. But I 335 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: think that again, I think if we're just going to 336 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: come out here and chuck it, if we're Detroit, I 337 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: think you're playing right into the hands of the Packers. 338 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 4: Eve. 339 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: I know how well the Lions have thrown the football, 340 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: But to me, that's why I'm I think this is 341 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: going to be a rock fight. I think they're going 342 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: to come out there and try and make a street fight. 343 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: It has to be a street fight because you want 344 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: to be balanced. You want to make the Packers have 345 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: to defend everything. You want to make them have to 346 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: defend the running game, and so you can throw in 347 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: those early downs against run heavy defense if you allow 348 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers to take the terms to stop 349 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: you on early downs, and then you got to throw 350 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: it into what I called their junk, the exotic pre 351 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: snap disguises where it looks like they're bringing more but 352 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: they're still playing max coverage behind it. It becomes problematic 353 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: for the quarterback. This is a team that is an 354 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: excellent zone team, great with their eyes. Their eyes take 355 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: them to the ball. You have to be very careful 356 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: with the ball, if you Jerry Goff, I think the 357 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: interesting thing is going to be on the other side 358 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: looking at this Packers offense potentially with Willis in the 359 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: starting lineup as opposed to Jordan Love, and we all 360 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: love what Jordan Love was beginning to do with this offense. 361 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: Malik Willis is a different animal. 362 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you expect from Willis in this game? 363 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna say this, man, Matt Lafloor has made. 364 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: Malik Willis something that I didn't know if he could be, 365 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: and that is a starting caliber quarterback. When you watch 366 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: Malik Willis DJ it is all the projection that you 367 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: wanted to have in his report, but you didn't know 368 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: if you confidently could get it. 369 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: Out of him. As a pro. 370 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: They do a really good job of utilizing his life 371 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: eggs and athleticism. He's become a much better and efficient 372 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: player in the pocket. They do some things within the 373 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: pocket to make the game easy for him with play 374 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: action and swings and bubbles and all those things. But 375 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: it appears to be the right play caller, play designer 376 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: taking a player and putting him in a scheme that 377 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: really works for him. And the thing that I can't 378 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: figure out is how can Matt Lafluor operate in two 379 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: worlds where you have Malik Willis who needs to play 380 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 3: one way, Jordan Love needs to play another way and 381 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: in a moment's notice, you can flip the switch and 382 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: make the offense adapt. 383 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: You got to have enough talent on an offense to 384 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: be able to do it. 385 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: You also have to have a very creative mind to 386 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: be able to do it if you're a play caller. 387 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: They still take busses to the game, right from the 388 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: hotel to the stadium. The Detroit Lions. When they step 389 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: off the bus, they are not going to the locker room. 390 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: Buck they are going to blitz. They are going to 391 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: get off the butte and they are going to blitz. 392 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: That's what's going to happen in this game. So I'm 393 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: telling you, if I'm lafloor Man, I have dedicated so 394 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: much screen time. And I'm not talking about your kids 395 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: monitoring their advices and talking about you are running every 396 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: screen imaginable. I'm running those early like I want to 397 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: try and scare them out of that. I'm gonna try 398 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: and hit a screen. Maybe it's a tight end screen, 399 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: be creative, but hey, I know they're gonna blitz Malik Willis, 400 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm gonna try and hit them with 401 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: a screen early and often in this game. 402 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the screen game is going to be something 403 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: that you have to toward it. Also, if you have 404 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: Malik Wilson again, you got to move the pocket. You 405 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 3: have to keep them guessing as far as where they 406 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: can bring the pressure where the launch point is going 407 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: to be. 408 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: But I know this about Aaron Glenn. No matter I'm. 409 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 3: Bringing him anyway, you move around, you can screen him 410 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: or whatever. We are going to play. And this is 411 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: just when we're in the chat we're talking about Malik Willis, 412 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: Jordan Love says he has a realistic shot to play. 413 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this about Jordan Love. 414 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: If he's gippy on that growing, if he's they're coming 415 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: after him too, better take it up because they're coming 416 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: after you. Like sometimes you may want to protect the 417 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: player gainst themselves. I understand the magnitude of this game, 418 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: but you better be careful if you join loved One 419 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: against this ferocious lines defense that is going to heat 420 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: up the pressure from everywhere. Yeah, Packers with the most 421 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: takeaways in the NFL. The Lion's throwing it as well 422 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: as anybody efficiently. Again, that's why my prediction of this game. 423 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a competitive game, But 424 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't think this is a high flying, aerial assault game. 425 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a rough and 426 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: rugged NFC North contest where the more physical team with 427 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage is going to win. And they're 428 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: both good at the line of scrimmage. That's what makes 429 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: it so fun. 430 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes it fun because they both are really 431 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 3: good at line of Scrimmage's gonna be a very competitive game. 432 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 3: Can't wait to see what it looks like on Sunday. 433 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: Download the Draft Kings Sportsbook app now and use code MTS. 434 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: New customers can bet just five bucks to get two 435 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: hundred dollars in bonus bets only on DraftKings Sportsbook with 436 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 3: code MTS, the crown is yours. 437 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 2: Well, there you have it. 438 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: If I want today, get a chance to do a 439 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: little crossover for their baseball football stuff as well as 440 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: look at what should be an incredible matchup between the 441 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: Lions and the Packers. Looking forward to a great football weekend. 442 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: We've got some great college games, great NFL Slate as well. 443 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: We'll be back on Monday to break it all down. Actually, 444 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: we got another show coming up tomorrow. We have Chat 445 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: Alexander coming on tomorrow, our buddy from the Chargers, their 446 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: assistant general manager. He's going to join us for a 447 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: fun conversation, so be on the lookout for that. That's 448 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: going to do it for us. Appreciate you guys. We'll 449 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: see you next time right here on. Move the sticks.