Speaker 1: Hello everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined on this Friday by Derek Brown and
Speaker 1: Pat fitz Morris. Fellas. We are here. We are into
Speaker 1: Week sixteen. Fits. We just talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: this on the Thursday show with Ericson, So, Deebro, I
Speaker 1: will ask you, how are you set up here for
Speaker 1: the semi finals of the Fantasy Playoffs?
Speaker 2: Doing Good had a few teams and buys, so now
Speaker 2: I gotta, you know, put them back together considering all
Speaker 2: the injuries and all the news and all the stuff
Speaker 2: we're gonna deal with and we're talking about for Week sixteen.
Speaker 2: But overall, I just want to get one team into
Speaker 2: a championship title game. That's all I want, boys.
Speaker 1: That's all I want. I was just saying to Ericson
Speaker 1: that to me, like week sixteen is almost the like
Speaker 1: more pressure filled week is the semifinals, because once you
Speaker 1: get to the title game, it's just one game and
Speaker 1: anything can happen. You're in the money, a sense of
Speaker 1: accomplishment exactly. But this is the one where it's like
Speaker 1: I'm actually alive in a handful of leagues. I have
Speaker 1: a couple of opportunities here to advance, and I feel
Speaker 1: so nervous about like just getting knocked out in every league.
Speaker 1: I just I can feel the other shoe dropping.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about you still being alive in the
Speaker 3: scott fish Bowl down to the final? What two fifty
Speaker 3: and yeah worm is representing fantasy pros? You know about
Speaker 3: fish Bowl semi finals.
Speaker 1: I am alive in the final two fifty. As you mentioned,
Speaker 1: it's been the last couple of rounds have been chopping
Speaker 1: off half at a time. This is the week where
Speaker 1: it goes from two fifty to fifty, so there's I
Speaker 1: need to be in the top twenty percent here to advance.
Speaker 1: I think I'm starting off somewhere around the middle of
Speaker 1: the pack, maybe a little behind middle of the pack
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, in the scott fish Ball
Speaker 1: you go in with a certain amount of your average
Speaker 1: from previous weeks, So I'm sorry, a little behind the
Speaker 1: eight ball, but still very within range.
Speaker 3: You have Chase Brown. It's just funny.
Speaker 1: I've been Jumior Gibbs now with no David mccovery, which
Speaker 1: I'm not celebrating. Looks looks pretty nice as well, so
Speaker 1: we'll see. I'm not you know, counting any chickens here.
Speaker 1: But this is the furthest I've ever been in Scott Fishball,
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to be the last Fantasy pros representative
Speaker 1: standing to to try and support the company and to
Speaker 1: be able to brag to you guys that I got
Speaker 1: farther than you did.
Speaker 2: So that was Oh, that's already happened. Yeah, my team fast.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's one of those tournaments where like, if you start
Speaker 1: off slow, it's very easy to kind of fall off
Speaker 1: of paying attention. But if you have a good team,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely fun to participate. I really appreciate Scott,
Speaker 1: you know, putting that together every year. Obviously, this is
Speaker 1: our Friday show. Just to let everybody know, we are
Speaker 1: taping this on Thursday. There's some travel going on obviously
Speaker 1: ahead of the holidays. I anybody can tell you know,
Speaker 1: with my background, I am not in my usual spot.
Speaker 1: I'm visiting a friend in North Carolina, so you know,
Speaker 1: thank you to him for hosting me. But we are
Speaker 1: taping this a day early because of the travel. So
Speaker 1: if there is any kind of development in terms of
Speaker 1: injuries or practice supports or anything, we are taping this Thursday,
Speaker 1: not Friday. So that is that is why, and that's
Speaker 1: also why we're not talking about the Thursday night football game.
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Speaker 1: want to make sure everybody has that right. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: We've got some Saturday games this week and interesting doubleheader.
Speaker 1: Maybe not as exciting of a double header as we
Speaker 1: might have anticipated when the schedule was released in May,
Speaker 1: but still an interesting one with some big name teams here.
Speaker 1: Texans at Chiefs is the first one, so again, we
Speaker 1: don't know one hundred percent about kind of injury status stuff.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes as of now, has practiced in full recently,
Speaker 1: so certainly looking like he's going to play, but to
Speaker 1: some degree nursing that ankle injury. So, deebro, how are
Speaker 1: you approaching the Chiefs players in fantasy with this Mahomes
Speaker 1: injury degree of gray area?
Speaker 2: I don't want to play anybody outside of Travis Kelcey
Speaker 2: from this offense. The Texans defense has been really good.
Speaker 2: We've gotten middling, if not up and down performances from
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins and Xavier Worthy. Yeah, I mean, I just
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of faith in the Kansas
Speaker 2: City Chiefs and Isaiah Pacheco hasn't looked like Pachecko since
Speaker 2: he's come back. His stat lines have honestly looked closer
Speaker 2: to what we got out of Nick Chubb before he
Speaker 2: was lost for the season. So I'm just tempering expectations
Speaker 2: and I won't be surprised if Houston wins this game.
Speaker 1: Would you say that your disinterest in playing Chiefs players.
Speaker 1: Is it in any way a result of kind of
Speaker 1: the question mark about Homes and how fully healthy is
Speaker 1: or is it just like the offensive general you just
Speaker 1: want to get away from just.
Speaker 2: The offense in general. I mean you could tell me
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is fully healthy. I mean that's kind of
Speaker 2: how I'm approaching it because he's practicing in full. So
Speaker 2: if he's going to be limited, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's going to be enough to where it's really changed
Speaker 2: how the Chiefs are going to attack the Pixons.
Speaker 1: Fitz, what do you think? How are you approaching the
Speaker 1: Chiefs offense in general? And I'm actually it's a good
Speaker 1: defense too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for the most part avoiding them. And
Speaker 3: by the way, Worm we talked about this a little
Speaker 3: with Ericson on the Starts to Show yesterday how this
Speaker 3: was one of the games that when the schedule came
Speaker 3: out you were like, oh man, that's gonna be awesome
Speaker 3: Week sixteen Saturday game. I think this looks this is
Speaker 3: shaping up like a really boring rock fight of a game.
Speaker 3: And like, I have Mahomes ranked quarterback eighteen and I'm
Speaker 3: worried that might be too high. Offensive line is an issue.
Speaker 3: I think it would be reckless for the Chiefs to
Speaker 3: let him throw it more than like thirty times in
Speaker 3: this game. I have Xavier Worthy Indandre Hopkins ranked adjacent
Speaker 3: to each other a wide receiver forty two and forty three,
Speaker 3: and often to drop both of those guys more. If
Speaker 3: we get word that Hollywood Brown is going to play,
Speaker 3: for sure, he's been practicing in full this week, which
Speaker 3: would further complicate the target outlook for the Chiefs. Deebro
Speaker 3: said he played Travis Kelcey like I'm not even excited
Speaker 3: about playing Kelsey. Over the last five weeks, Travis Kelcey
Speaker 3: is tight end twenty in a half point PPR Fantasy
Speaker 3: points per game. And I mean, maybe the Mahomes injury
Speaker 3: helps Isaiah Pacheco since the Chiefs probably aren't gonna let
Speaker 3: Mahomes sling it around like crazy. But the Houston run
Speaker 3: defense is good. Pachecko's been sharing work with Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 3: The Casey offensive line hasn't been playing well. It's just yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I don't like this. Like another thing about the passing,
Speaker 3: and the Texans are second in sacks and tenth in
Speaker 3: pressure rates, so like they're really gonna let Mahomes sling
Speaker 3: it around against this defense, Like I don't think so.
Speaker 3: So Yeah, man, I'm like weird to say it, but
Speaker 3: I don't want to start any Chiefs this week.
Speaker 1: It is weird to say, but that's what the consensus
Speaker 1: appears to be, fading the Chiefs in this one. The
Speaker 1: other Saturday game is Steelers Ravens. This game is in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it before. Lamar Jackson historically has struggled
Speaker 1: more against Pittsburgh really than any other team. We talked
Speaker 1: a little bit in the Starts at Show Fits about
Speaker 1: how prior to that Eagles game, you know, the Steelers
Speaker 1: were the last three matchups that Lamar didn't score twenty
Speaker 1: points were all against the Steelers. So this is just
Speaker 1: not a matchup he has ever done well with, really
Speaker 1: in his whole career. Are we lowering our expectations for
Speaker 1: the whole Baltimore offense for fantasy this week? Just given
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter that they're at home, just
Speaker 1: the fact that they are facing Pittsburgh fits.
Speaker 3: A little bit. Yeah, I mean my initial instinct was
Speaker 3: drank Lamar quarterback two, and I have since dropped him
Speaker 3: to quarterback four After looking at the track record, which
Speaker 3: is seven career games against the Steelers, five touchdown passes,
Speaker 3: eight interceptions, zero touchdown runs, and one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: three point nine passing yards per game. That's pretty ugly.
Speaker 3: And like, I know, the personnel is not the same
Speaker 3: as the personnel from this Steelers Lamar was playing against
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, but Mike Tomlin is the common thread here,
Speaker 3: so like Mike Tomlin kind of knows how to defend
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. Lamar could still absolutely smash this week though,
Speaker 3: because he is great and this offense is great. So
Speaker 3: like I'm still playing him. I'm starting him in the
Speaker 3: Super Flex League, and I feel fine about it. Like
Speaker 3: I'm still starting Derrick Henry. I think Derek Zay Flowers
Speaker 3: is probably still inside the start sit cutline for most people.
Speaker 3: I've got him wide receiver twenty three like, and I've
Speaker 3: still got Mark Andrews inside the top ten at tight ends.
Speaker 3: So for the most part, I think you're still playing
Speaker 3: the principles in this offense, even though the matchup is
Speaker 3: not ideal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, de bro, what are you doing this? I mean,
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, you know obviously hasn't had the same historical
Speaker 1: issues against the Steelers that Lamar has. But in the
Speaker 1: game that they played, you know, earlier this season, Derek
Speaker 1: Henry thirteen carries sixty five yards, so that's five yards
Speaker 1: of carry, did have a touchdown. Not his heaviest volume day,
Speaker 1: but still, you know, certainly a playable guy for fantasy
Speaker 1: and not somebody that you're getting away from, you know,
Speaker 1: in this matchup, given what he's done for you you know,
Speaker 1: and looking at that box where also know Isaiah likely
Speaker 1: led the team in receiving four catches seventy five yards.
Speaker 1: You know, Lamar last year had a very good game
Speaker 1: against the Steelers where there was like seven drops and
Speaker 1: that really hurt him. So we have seen him actually
Speaker 1: have a good game before, even if the production didn't
Speaker 1: end up being there because the receiver has let him down.
Speaker 1: But that is kind of the exception, not the rule,
Speaker 1: given what he's done against Pittsburgh so far. So what's
Speaker 1: your approach to this offense in this matchup?
Speaker 2: I mean really just same what Fitzi said. It comes
Speaker 2: down to, you're still starting all these players, like, you're
Speaker 2: not benching Lamar, You're not benching Derrick Henry. I know
Speaker 2: Lamar's track record has not been good, and I remember
Speaker 2: us talking about this game last time and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: the Ravens we fine and stuff, and then we saw
Speaker 2: Lamar come out and struggle a little bit. I think
Speaker 2: what we've seen from the Pittsburgh defense over the last
Speaker 2: few weeks too, is their secondary is struggling a little bit,
Speaker 2: so that might bump up Lamar a little bit, like
Speaker 2: I do have at QB four right now, but I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit probably. I'm pretty much in concert with
Speaker 2: fits on Zay Flowers. I think I've met wide receiver
Speaker 2: twenty one. But I do want to highlight the fact
Speaker 2: that over the last few weeks, since Week ten, Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: is allowing the third most receiving yards per game and
Speaker 2: the second highest PPR points per target two perimeter wide receivers.
Speaker 2: They didn't shadow za Flowers before. I don't think they
Speaker 2: shadow him again. I think the biggest thing what could
Speaker 2: hurt Lamar in this is Bateman popping up with the
Speaker 2: foot injury in the middle of the middle of the week.
Speaker 2: I midweek injuries always get me, man Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if Bateman plays, And I wrote it up in
Speaker 2: the primer like that as recording of this and people
Speaker 2: are listening to this. Maybe he's been He's fine, he's
Speaker 2: practiced the rest of the week. Maybe not. But that's
Speaker 2: the one thing where it's like, Okay, this would be
Speaker 2: a good spot. Okay, we could maybe use some of
Speaker 2: Deyancey Johnson in this game if Bateman doesn't play. But
Speaker 2: he's not going to play, so really it comes down
Speaker 2: to we could see a heaping dose as a Flowers.
Speaker 2: So I want to make sure that I'm I'm with
Speaker 2: consensus or maybe you take above consensus with Zay Flowers
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've mentioned kicking on this show all year.
Speaker 1: I just have to play out Chris Chris Boswell. I no,
Speaker 1: it's not even a Justin Tucker think Chris.
Speaker 2: Boswa it was a Justin Tucker thing we're going with.
Speaker 1: But Bossol had six field goals in the first matchup
Speaker 1: with these guys. Obviously they've Sealers only scored eighteen points.
Speaker 1: All of them were on Boswell field goals, and three
Speaker 1: of them were from fifty or more yards.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He's ranked kicker fourteen this week in ECR. That seems
Speaker 1: that is that too high too lower? Just right? Deep bro?
Speaker 2: Oh good lord, you're talking. Tells me a kicker e
Speaker 2: c R question?
Speaker 3: What's what's the ECR on the boss?
Speaker 1: Uh? Last I let to his kicker? Fourteen?
Speaker 3: Oh that's exactly where I have him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go with consensus with a question, can I
Speaker 2: make one point?
Speaker 1: He's actually he's actually moved, he's actually up to kick
Speaker 1: her nine now, so that has changed, So you're you're
Speaker 1: below consensus. Fits.
Speaker 3: Let me spend twenty seconds talking about kicker, which is
Speaker 3: twenty more than we've talked about all year. The one
Speaker 3: underrated thing about like judging kickers, like the most underrated thing.
Speaker 3: It's not quality of the kicker. It's not quality of
Speaker 3: the offense. It's the head coach and his How much
Speaker 3: does the head coach value three points? Do not? Even
Speaker 3: though Jake Bates has been kicking, well, it's only because
Speaker 3: the Lions offense has been rolling. Dan Campbell will go
Speaker 3: for it recklessly on fourth down. You don't want to
Speaker 3: kick or tie to Dan Campbell. You don't want to
Speaker 3: kick or tied to Matt Lafleur. You do want to
Speaker 3: kick or tied to Mike Tomlin because Mike Tomlin appreciates
Speaker 3: the value of three points, and like, I know a
Speaker 3: lot of people are all hyper aggressive on Twitter and
Speaker 3: like go for it no matter what, but like, sometimes
Speaker 3: going for it isn't the right move, and like it's
Speaker 3: good to have some of these guys who are prudent
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, I'll bank three points.
Speaker 1: And yet you have boswell below consensus.
Speaker 3: I know, well, I mean with no pickings. Man, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm not excited about this offense.
Speaker 2: Same, I don't want to start any Steelers outside of
Speaker 2: Pat Friarmy this week, Like I think they're going to
Speaker 2: struggle to move the ball.
Speaker 1: I apologize to everyone for even bringing up kickers in
Speaker 1: our Fantasy Semi Finals.
Speaker 3: Episode up about kickers, what are you doing well?
Speaker 1: Speaking of getting fits wound up, let's go to the
Speaker 1: Sunday Slate Giants Falcons. As you have mentioned, the Falcons
Speaker 1: are like a month maybe even two months overdue of
Speaker 1: making this quarterback switch, which I know you were not
Speaker 1: pleased it took so long, but we finally have a
Speaker 1: new quarterback in Atlanta. It's Michael Pennock Junior stepping in
Speaker 1: for Kirk Cousins. Nice matchup against the Giants, An exploitable
Speaker 1: defense that just gave up five passing touchdowns to Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson last week. Obviously, Penis is not currently Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: but it's a defense that you know, when you have
Speaker 1: a team that's this bad and the season is clearly
Speaker 1: over for the Giant, it's very easy to imagine them
Speaker 1: kind of giving up. So what are we doing with
Speaker 1: Atlanta's offense in general? You can focus debro on Drake London,
Speaker 1: who I know is your guy. You can hit on
Speaker 1: Darnel Mooney, Kyle Pitts Bijon or Michael Penix Junior himself
Speaker 1: if you want to consider starting hand. But what is
Speaker 1: your kind of main takeaway and reaction to the quarterback
Speaker 1: switch and how it impacts this offense or fantasy?
Speaker 2: I think people, at least what I've kind of heard
Speaker 2: out on the social media streets is people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe we should lower Drake London and Darnell Mooney because
Speaker 2: of the quarterback switch, and we don't know we're gonna
Speaker 2: get out of Michael PENNOCKX Junior. I'm approaching this the
Speaker 2: opposite way. I'm raising Drake London and I'm raising Darnall
Speaker 2: Mooney because I think this can inject some energy and
Speaker 2: hope and life into this passing attack, and holy crap,
Speaker 2: maybe we get a target past fifteen yards down the
Speaker 2: freaking field and this is a really good spot for
Speaker 2: Pennick Junior to come in and just light them up. Like,
Speaker 2: the big thing about this is I don't know the
Speaker 2: variability with this offense. If you were to tell me
Speaker 2: the beginning season of this and this happened week five,
Speaker 2: week six, and Atlanta was still humming along with high
Speaker 2: pace and passing rate, then I'd say, okay, well they're
Speaker 2: gonna let Penis throw it around the yard like. But
Speaker 2: what we've seen out of this offense the last few
Speaker 2: weeks is they've turtled trying to hide Kirk Cousins. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they give Pinnicks enough passing attempts to
Speaker 2: really have a ceiling outcome in this game. But we
Speaker 2: know he is going to chuck the fricking ball down
Speaker 2: the field and that is going to allow for some
Speaker 2: big plays out of this passing attack, which we have
Speaker 2: not seen in the last few weeks. So right now,
Speaker 2: like I've got Drake London ranked as wide receiver thirteen,
Speaker 2: and I don't know where consensus is on him, but
Speaker 2: I want to be above consensus because again I think
Speaker 2: that you're looking at Drake London and Darnell Mooney, and
Speaker 2: this is coming from somebody who in our content league.
Speaker 2: I started Drake London and I lost lost to Friend
Speaker 2: of the Show for colleague here, John, I lost to
Speaker 2: him by less than two points. Because of what the
Speaker 2: Falcons did last week with Drake London, I think we
Speaker 2: can get ceiling performances out of these guys because we're
Speaker 2: going to actually see deep targets and juice in the
Speaker 2: passing game.
Speaker 1: This week, I lost in that constantly because I faced
Speaker 1: Bogman who had DeVante Adams have his best names lord,
Speaker 1: So that was fun for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Fitz, we talked a bit on the
Speaker 1: Thursday show about Penix and your approach was to not
Speaker 1: really move the skilled players and your rankings at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You guys know how I feel about Kirk Cousins. Uh,
Speaker 3: not a fan and think he's been overrated for the
Speaker 3: entirety of his career.
Speaker 2: That said, shout out to you for the prediction too,
Speaker 2: FITZI it.
Speaker 3: Was wrong though I said it was going to happen,
Speaker 3: and he was going to be benched by the end
Speaker 3: of October.
Speaker 2: Debro, so I was he should have been. Should have
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not wrong, and that he should have been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I figured eventually he would get benched on the merits.
Speaker 3: So even though my got instinct was to do what
Speaker 3: Debro did and move up the Atlanta pass catchers, we
Speaker 3: should probably acknowledge that the NFL debuts of most professional quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: even the good ones, aren't normally that pretty. For instance,
Speaker 3: Tom Brady's first career start thirteen for twenty three for
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty eight yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers first career start eighteen of twenty two, one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy eight yards, one touchdown, no interceptions. Josh
Speaker 3: Allen sixteen of thirty three for two forty five, one
Speaker 3: td two interceptions. Joe Burrow twenty three of thirty six
Speaker 3: for one ninety three, no touchdowns, one interception. Those are
Speaker 3: great quarterbacks and they had pretty lousy debuts. Quarterbacking in
Speaker 3: the NFL is hard man. And you know, like Drake
Speaker 3: London is still the only Atlanta pass catcher I would
Speaker 3: feel okay about starting with Michael Pennox in his first
Speaker 3: exposure to NFL defenses.
Speaker 2: The great equalizer with that, FITZI is he gets to
Speaker 2: play the damn Giants.
Speaker 3: It helps, it helps, man, It's still it's still harder
Speaker 3: than playing Arizona State, you know.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I agree, And I'll just one last
Speaker 2: thing I'll highlight here in the East feel good about pinicks.
Speaker 2: The Giants have been a bottom three to bottom five
Speaker 2: team at defending deep passing the entire season. So even
Speaker 2: if it's on limited volume, we know Penis is going
Speaker 2: to chuck it down the field. This is a good
Speaker 2: opportunity for him.
Speaker 1: I don't think, and correct me if I'm wrong. I
Speaker 1: saw this stat pop up from one of the people
Speaker 1: I follow who covers the Ravens. That because everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of talking about, like, oh, Lamar through five touchdowns, but
Speaker 1: it was against the Giants. Who cares. The Giants haven't
Speaker 1: actually given up that many passing touchdowns this year. I
Speaker 1: think they had not given.
Speaker 2: Everybody's running all over them.
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's fair. I'm not saying they're a
Speaker 1: good defense, but I just bring that up to say,
Speaker 1: like I think, outside of Lamar, nobody has thrown from
Speaker 1: more than two passing touchdowns in a game against the
Speaker 1: Giants this season. I didn't corroborate that staff, but that
Speaker 1: was what I saw going around on Twitter. So maybe
Speaker 1: somebody to keep in mind that Atlanta just goes in
Speaker 1: and says, Bijon can run all over this team, and
Speaker 1: and then the passing game is one to avoid even
Speaker 1: if Pennix plays well. So a possibility to keep in
Speaker 1: buying there. We can be kind of quick on this
Speaker 1: next game. It's Cardinals pay Anthers. Really, I just want
Speaker 1: to ask, is this the week Trey McBride finally scores
Speaker 1: a touchdown?
Speaker 3: Fits, of course not the end zone. Allergy is a
Speaker 3: very real thing for Trey McBride and it dates back
Speaker 3: to his college years. Final college season at Colorado State
Speaker 3: for Trey McBride ninety catches, eleven hundred yards, one touchdown,
Speaker 3: and he got that one touchdown in the final game
Speaker 3: of his college career against Nevada.
Speaker 1: Wow, deebro yes or no touchdown this week?
Speaker 2: I think he scores a touchdown this week. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's got the best matchup on the board, and honestly,
Speaker 2: like the Cardinals are trying, man, They're trying, dude, Like,
Speaker 2: if you look over the last few weeks, he has
Speaker 2: gotten a red zone target in every single game since
Speaker 2: Week seven. Over the last three games, he has eight
Speaker 2: red zone targets. And now he gets to face Not
Speaker 2: only have the Carolina Panthers given up the most fantasy
Speaker 2: points per game two opposing Titans, they have given up
Speaker 2: the most receiving touchdowns to opposing Titan I think they
Speaker 2: bride finally scores this week.
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Speaker 1: let's go to Lions Bears. I already kind of talked
Speaker 1: little about Jamiir Gibbs, but with no Montgomery, Are you
Speaker 1: expecting Gibbs to take on that RB one overall type
Speaker 1: of workload or fits? Do you think the Lions are
Speaker 1: telling the truth. Dan Campbell kind of hinting at the
Speaker 1: idea that they want to give him a similar volume
Speaker 1: to what he was getting already and not overworking.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't believe that they are just gonna plug
Speaker 3: Craig Reynolds into that David Montgomery roll and give him
Speaker 3: the thirteen point eight carries and two point six targets
Speaker 3: a game that Monty was getting prior to Week fifteen.
Speaker 3: So over two seasons with the Lions, Jamiir Gibbs has
Speaker 3: averaged twelve point seven carries and four point one targets
Speaker 3: in regular season games. When David Montgomery missed three games
Speaker 3: last season, Gibbs averaged eighteen carries and five point seven
Speaker 3: targets in those games, So there was a bump. Granted,
Speaker 3: he hit a huge workload in one of those three games,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't necessarily a massive increase in the other two.
Speaker 3: But like Craig Reynolds, had twenty one carries in those
Speaker 3: three games seven a game. That's significantly fewer than David
Speaker 3: Montmery his average, so and fourteen of those twenty one
Speaker 3: carries came in a twelve point win over the Raiders.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I do think there's gonna be
Speaker 3: a workload spike for Jamiir Gibbs. Maybe not a huge one.
Speaker 3: Maybe he doesn't average twenty touches a game while Monty
Speaker 3: is out, but I think he averages more than he
Speaker 3: has been and he was already a top five running back.
Speaker 3: I've got Jamir Gibbs ranked RB one this week.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask because he's RB one in consensus,
Speaker 1: you know, ahead of Bejon against the Giants, ahead of Saquad,
Speaker 1: ahead of Josh Jacobs, James Connor, Chase Brown, Derek Henry,
Speaker 1: those guys. He is number one in ECR. So you
Speaker 1: have him there too, are you with consensus, Debra.
Speaker 2: I have an RB two only behind Saquon. If Saquon
Speaker 2: wasn't facing the freaking Commanders who can't stop the run
Speaker 2: and have not stopped the run the entire year, I
Speaker 2: would be with Gibbs, and I agree with everything because
Speaker 2: he said I think Gibbs gets a bump, but I
Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna get, you know, twenty seven, twenty
Speaker 2: eight opportunities. I think we're gonna see Reynolds probably, which
Speaker 2: I mean so we need to probably talk about Reynolds here.
Speaker 2: Like in deep leagues, he is flexworthy. I think Detroit
Speaker 2: is still gonna be able to run the ball. I
Speaker 2: think that he's live to score a touchdown in this game.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna be the preferred red zone option,
Speaker 2: but if you were to tell me, does he get
Speaker 2: a red zone carry or if Detroit is just beating
Speaker 2: the brakes off of the Bears late in the game,
Speaker 2: I Reynolds is probably going to be the guy Salton
Speaker 2: the clock away, so I think he's flexworthy. He's probably
Speaker 2: going to see ten to twelve opportunities in this game total.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that Gibbs is going to go
Speaker 2: out and see, you know, twenty five touches, twenty eight
Speaker 2: touches or anything like that. But he is going to
Speaker 2: get a bump this week.
Speaker 1: I want to ask on the other side of this one, too, Debro.
Speaker 1: The Bears obviously, like have struggled a lot this year.
Speaker 1: Is it worth starting anybody in this passing game against
Speaker 1: what is now a very heavily injured Detroit defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: DJ Moore and Keenan Allen. I think you're firing them up.
Speaker 2: Both of them have really good matchups and the Lions
Speaker 2: have fallen off. Man. I comes down to how many
Speaker 2: different injuries can you sustain one? I mean not even
Speaker 2: like one season, like one month. Like it's it's been
Speaker 2: terrible to watch, Like this defense has been ripped down
Speaker 2: to the studs. Man, it's been horrible. They're still getting
Speaker 2: pressure on the quarterback eleventh best pressure rate over the
Speaker 2: last few weeks. But I think you're looking at Dj Moore,
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen. Both of them have really good Like djmore,
Speaker 2: the coverage matchup is really good, and we know Detroit
Speaker 2: cannot stop slot wide receivers. And if you go back
Speaker 2: a few weeks, Keenan Allen torched them, then he's going
Speaker 2: to torch them again this week.
Speaker 1: Would you rather start Keenan Allen or Jameson Williams in
Speaker 1: this game?
Speaker 2: Keenan easily.
Speaker 3: Keenan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're both ranked in ECR in the kind of early
Speaker 1: to mid thirties range if fits. What do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean? DJ Moore is up a wide receiver twenty two,
Speaker 1: so consensus has him a bit higher. Again, he did
Speaker 1: have sixteen targets in this matchup the first time around.
Speaker 1: But I can kind of get why some people would say, like,
Speaker 1: I'm just not interested in trusting the Bears offense in
Speaker 1: the Fantasy semifinals. How are you approaching it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I'm below consensus, but I feel pretty much
Speaker 3: the same way Deebro does, Like I've got these guys.
Speaker 3: I've got more wide receiver twenty six, Allen wide receiver
Speaker 3: twenty seven and same yeah, same, oh wow, exactly the same? Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Keenan Allen. The Lions struggled against slot receivers all year,
Speaker 3: and Keenan Allen after the Bears offense didn't get their
Speaker 3: first first down on Thanksgiving until we were inside the
Speaker 3: two minute warning of the first half. Then Keenan Allen
Speaker 3: like all in the second half, seventy three yards and
Speaker 3: two touchdowns. DJ Moore, it's ninety seven yards and a
Speaker 3: touchdown in that game. And the Lions had been pretty
Speaker 3: good against outside receivers, but now with no Carlton Davis
Speaker 3: their best outside cornerback, like, that's going to be a problem.
Speaker 3: So I think you can start both of these guys
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: To your point, Warm, I got jmo at wide receiver
Speaker 2: thirty four, so a tick behind both those Bears guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, Rams Jets is the next one, and this one simple.
Speaker 1: Which older quarterback do we like better in this matchup?
Speaker 1: Matthew st or Aaron Rodgers fits I'll start with.
Speaker 3: You, Yeah, an old NFC North Reunion worm. For me,
Speaker 3: it's Rogers by nose. He's been QB five and fantasy
Speaker 3: scoring over the last two weeks, and the Rams pass
Speaker 3: defense is an easier matchup than the Jets pass defense.
Speaker 3: And uh oh, by the way, I mean, what a
Speaker 3: wide receiver showcase. This game is going to be Pukakua
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup, Davante Adams, Scarett Wilson. Like, this is gonna
Speaker 3: be fun. This is gonna be I'd rather watch this
Speaker 3: game than Chiefs Texans.
Speaker 1: Yes, same, these guys are back to back a necr
Speaker 1: By the way, Stafford's QB fifteen Rogers is QB sixteen
Speaker 1: deepro What do you think.
Speaker 2: I'm taking Stafford in this? I just this is not
Speaker 2: a shade against what the Jets have been doing. But
Speaker 2: this comes down to I'm not worried about the Jets
Speaker 2: pass defense at all. Since Week ten, They've given up
Speaker 2: the fifth most passing yards per game in the sixth
Speaker 2: highest arts per attempt. I think this is a defense
Speaker 2: that it has just quit. So not only like you know,
Speaker 2: can the Rams run the ball, Sure, they can run
Speaker 2: the ball, but this is also a really good matchup
Speaker 2: for Stafford to air it out and we've seen I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: go back to the Bills game. He was on fire.
Speaker 2: I think this is a good bounce back spot for
Speaker 2: the Rams.
Speaker 1: Deebro. We talked about this on the Thursday show with
Speaker 1: Fitz and Erickson. So I want to kind of ask
Speaker 1: you a little bit about him too. Cooper Cup obviously
Speaker 1: big old goose egg in week fifteen technically finish as
Speaker 1: wide receiver one hundred and fifty five on the week.
Speaker 1: If you miraculously survived that, do you have faith Wherewhile
Speaker 1: I say what easy your faith level in him? For
Speaker 1: week sixteen is a bounce back?
Speaker 2: I min it's a seven. I'm not telling him like
Speaker 2: it's not definitely a ten. But if you've got Cup,
Speaker 2: you're starting him. He's gonna get volume. I think this
Speaker 2: is more of an outlier, a blip on the screen
Speaker 2: if anything, you know, not that Cooper Cup ever comes
Speaker 2: out in the media and ever talks about any of it.
Speaker 2: But tell me if you're not like looking at how
Speaker 2: degraded this Jets secondary has been and you're Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 2: this couldn't be a squeaky wheel game for Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: on a good bounce back spot. So I'm firing up Cup.
Speaker 2: If I have him, I'm starting him. Without question.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, question number seven Eagles and Commanders. We've
Speaker 1: seen this matchup already. Eagles defense basically completely shut down
Speaker 1: the Commanders in Week eleven. Almost all of Washington's offense
Speaker 1: came from checkdowns to Austin Eckler and Zach Ertz. Brian
Speaker 1: Robinson did get sixty yards in a touchdown, but basically
Speaker 1: in the passing game, it was a ton of checkdowns,
Speaker 1: nothing past the line of scrimmage. Will Jadeen Daniels and
Speaker 1: company be more productive this time around? Fits? Can fantasy
Speaker 1: managers trust them this week?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it's not an ideal matchup against this tough
Speaker 3: Vic Fangio defense, but in most cases, I do think
Speaker 3: fantasy managers should continue to roll out the trio of
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels, Brian Robinson Junior and Terry McLaurin. Daniels wasn't
Speaker 3: great against Philly the last time, but not completely awful.
Speaker 3: Twenty two for thirty two, one hundred and ninety one yards,
Speaker 3: one touchdown, one interception, eighteen rushing yards. Look, man, all
Speaker 3: it takes with Jayden Daniels is a couple of good
Speaker 3: runs and a touchdown or two for him to payoff.
Speaker 3: In fantasy. I have Brian Robinson ranked as a low
Speaker 3: end RB two, but he had sixteen for sixty three
Speaker 3: and a touchdown rushing against the Eagles back in mid November.
Speaker 3: And like, I'm starting Robinson in a flex in a
Speaker 3: league where I have Jamier Gibbs and Bucky Irving is
Speaker 3: my running backs, and yes, that is a humblebegg so
Speaker 3: and Terry McLaurin. Look, I realized McLaurin totally bricked against
Speaker 3: the Eagles the last time. Two targets, one catch for
Speaker 3: ten yards. Quinnon Mitchell one of the Eagles rookie cornerbacks.
Speaker 3: Really tough matchup. Quinnon has been terrific. But I think
Speaker 3: it's generally a mistake to freak out about top receivers
Speaker 3: who have tough individual matchups. And I mentioned this year
Speaker 3: on the Start Sit show worm last Sunday, Joe Piece
Speaker 3: of p and I field in a lot of start
Speaker 3: sit questions involving AJ Brown against Joey Porter Junior and
Speaker 3: the Steelers, And yeah, like tough matchup. Indeed, we told
Speaker 3: all of those people without fail to start AJ Brown
Speaker 3: and he had eight catches for one hundred ten yards
Speaker 3: in a touchdown. You do not sit top wide receivers.
Speaker 3: And I do think Terry McLaurin falls into that category.
Speaker 3: So I do have him outside of wide receiver one territory,
Speaker 3: but I have him at like wide receiver thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 3: So unless you're playing in some eight team league where
Speaker 3: you've got, you know, just multiple studs of wide receiver,
Speaker 3: I think you should start him, Dee Bro, What are
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels is QB five and ec arts. It's actually
Speaker 1: interesting because he Lamar back to back and it's two
Speaker 1: quarterbacks ranked the top five, and we have kind of
Speaker 1: a matchup rating on our ECR page and they both
Speaker 1: have one star ratings, you know, Lamar against the Steelers
Speaker 1: and Jaden against Philly. Yeah, they're both ranked in the
Speaker 1: top five. What are you doing with Daniels in this
Speaker 1: offense as a whole?
Speaker 2: I'm starting all the commanders that I have, like the
Speaker 2: ones that we're talking about highlighting here, Daniels, McLaurin, Brian
Speaker 2: Robinson Junior. I'm starting these guys and the big thing
Speaker 2: and Fitsy hit the nail on the head man. That's
Speaker 2: exactly like reading off my page what I was going
Speaker 2: to bring up to. But he talked about aj Brown
Speaker 2: last week. We told everybody to start aj Brown. I
Speaker 2: didn't put Terry McLaurin and the no brainer must start
Speaker 2: thing only because this week in the primer, only because
Speaker 2: I knew people were going to freak out, and I
Speaker 2: knew it was going to be But what about last time,
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it last time. Last time these two
Speaker 2: teams played, Jane Daniels was not close to healthy. If
Speaker 2: you watch this game, he was unable to push the
Speaker 2: ball down the field. He didn't look like the same
Speaker 2: guy running the ball he was. I mean, the ribs
Speaker 2: were still a problem. And I do not care what
Speaker 2: freaking dan Quinn says. Do not care. Coaches lie, injury
Speaker 2: reports lie every single year all the time.
Speaker 1: That does not matter to me.
Speaker 2: What I care about is the film, and the film
Speaker 2: tells you all. And Jane Daniels was not one hundred
Speaker 2: percent this game. He's coming in as healthy as he
Speaker 2: could be for this part of the season. I think
Speaker 2: we're going to see a better performance out of Jane
Speaker 2: Daniels and Terry McLaurin. I feel like he has been
Speaker 2: criminally under ranked for most of this season, where like
Speaker 2: he should have been. They must start, do not does
Speaker 2: not matter about the matchup for every single week, and
Speaker 2: yet he languishes in the wide receiver fourteen to seventeen
Speaker 2: or eighteen range and rankings of most weeks. And honestly,
Speaker 2: it's kind of blasphemous for the guy who's wide receiver fourteen.
Speaker 2: He has five one hundred yard receiving games, he has
Speaker 2: three games this year with multiple touchdowns, and he has
Speaker 2: bested bad matchups before. So I'm starting all the commanders.
Speaker 2: I think Jayden has a much better game. And I'm
Speaker 2: not going to bench. And I'm gonna say this emphatically.
Speaker 2: I am not benching Terry McLaurin this week.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. Where did you say sorry if
Speaker 1: you said this, sorry? Where do you have him ranked
Speaker 1: McLaurin Wide receiver twelve? Okay, he's sixteen in ECR so well,
Speaker 1: bub Buff consensus fits. Where did you say you have
Speaker 1: McLaurin ranked thirteen for mintem? Okay, Let's go to Patriots Bills. Guys,
Speaker 1: what the heck are we doing with Amari Cooper this week?
Speaker 1: The Bills scored forty eight points last week, and Cooper,
Speaker 1: somehow I had zero targets in the game.
Speaker 2: Debra benching him. I'm not high on him. I think
Speaker 2: he if he plays like a full time role one.
Speaker 2: His his route chare wasn't that high last week two.
Speaker 2: I think if anybody is going to catch the Christian
Speaker 2: Gonzales shadow, I think it's going to be Amari Cooper.
Speaker 2: So looking at this matchup, I don't want to play Cooper,
Speaker 2: but that kind of pushes me over to I do
Speaker 2: want to play Keon Coleman. I think this is a
Speaker 2: sneaky good matchup. We've seen wide receiver twos and offenses
Speaker 2: that have feasted. Basically, it's throw the ball against everybody
Speaker 2: in the pat secondary and not named Christian Gonzales and you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna have a good day.
Speaker 2: Baby. This is a team that you need Keon Coleman
Speaker 2: ramped up, playing confidently if you want to make this
Speaker 2: deep postseason running you want to make the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Not only do you need daltonkin k, you need James Cook,
Speaker 2: you need Keon Coleman playing confidently and playing well. This
Speaker 2: is a really good spot to get Keon Coleman going fits.
Speaker 1: What are you doing with this? I guess receiving Corra
Speaker 1: as a whole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm starting Khalil Shakir. Yeah, but like
Speaker 3: I'm sitting in Mari Cooper. His target counts in his
Speaker 3: six games with the Bills five two, three, three, fourteen
Speaker 3: and zero. So yeah, and I mean some of those
Speaker 3: games were without uh Kean Coleman and Dalton Kincaid, who
Speaker 3: were hurt for some of them. Both of those guys
Speaker 3: are back. Only in a deep league with multiple flexes,
Speaker 3: would you even consider starting Amari Cooper in a playoff
Speaker 3: semi final.
Speaker 1: So let me ask on the other side of this
Speaker 1: one about Drake May. He is he's actually up now
Speaker 1: to QB nineteen. He was QB twenty when I put
Speaker 1: the outline together, was QB nineteen in ECR. He has
Speaker 1: not finished as low as QB nineteen in any fully
Speaker 1: healthy matchup this season. The only time he's been lower
Speaker 1: since he became the starter was the game he left
Speaker 1: early against the Jets. So theoretically, you know, going up
Speaker 1: against Buffalo, they're going to need to throw a lot
Speaker 1: just to keep up with Josh Allen. Is May's low
Speaker 1: ranking justified to be lower than he's finished in any
Speaker 1: week this season fits.
Speaker 3: So I've got him QB nineteen and I think I'm
Speaker 3: probably going to move him up one spot past Patrick
Speaker 3: Mahomes who I have at QB eighteen, I think the
Speaker 3: ranking is fine. Worm, Like, by the time May became
Speaker 3: the Patriots starter, we were into the bye weeks, So
Speaker 3: it's like kind of a semantics thing to say, oh,
Speaker 3: he hasn't finished lower than this, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's never finished QB twenty or lower. But some of
Speaker 3: those weeks there were only twenty six or twenty eight
Speaker 3: quarterbacks playing. So I love Drake May, but stop spreading
Speaker 3: Drake May propaganda. Worm. You are not a Patriots fan.
Speaker 3: You're a Ravens fan.
Speaker 1: I am just asking questions, that's all. That's all I'm
Speaker 1: here to do. Yeah, questions show and I am here
Speaker 1: to ask questions. I'm not giving answers here, I'm asking questions. Fits.
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 1: I will take no libel of myself. Is it libel
Speaker 1: or slander? Whatever you just did to me, I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I mean whatever he did just now was justify category
Speaker 2: to categorize the deever already think about May. I'm with
Speaker 2: FITZI yeah, the bye weeks and stuff. I've got a
Speaker 2: bit QB twenty. I think the bigger takeaway for me
Speaker 2: is if you're in a superflex league, I have no
Speaker 2: issues playing Drake bang looking at especially because the bat.
Speaker 2: The Bill's past defense has really fallen off of the
Speaker 2: last weeks. Since Week ten, they're allowing the fifth most
Speaker 2: yards per attempt, fourth most passing yards per game. Yes,
Speaker 2: I know there are some really good offenses that are
Speaker 2: in that, but if you've been reading the primer, the
Speaker 2: Bill's pass defense has not been this just murderer's row
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, I'm not starting anybody, nah, starting
Speaker 2: anybody against them the last few weeks. The biggest I
Speaker 2: guess the scariest thing for May for me this week
Speaker 2: is I think the Bills can be passed on. But
Speaker 2: if you look at all the singular matchups for his
Speaker 2: pass catchers, I think he's gonna have to run the
Speaker 2: ball a good bit this week to kind of get there.
Speaker 2: Because I don't like Hunter Henry. I don't like his
Speaker 2: receivers a ton, although the corners have been more giving.
Speaker 2: I guess it's like maybe de Mario Douglas like just
Speaker 2: kind of parsing through the individual matchups. It's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: if you could throw on the Bills, then who am
Speaker 2: I high on that that May is going to throw
Speaker 2: the ball to to have a good day. That's where
Speaker 2: I have a little bit of problem because the bills
Speaker 2: are have been are always elite versus tight ends, especially
Speaker 2: with Milano playing. So really I'm low one Hunter Henry,
Speaker 2: but I guess it's some Mario Douglass.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this debro. And this is
Speaker 1: gonna be in regards to a player that plays on Thursday.
Speaker 1: So again, that hasn't happened for us yet. Obviously everybody
Speaker 1: listening know how that win. I have a decision to
Speaker 1: make personally in a super flex league of Stroud, Herbert
Speaker 1: and May, would you start Wow? It feels like I
Speaker 1: know this league and this is our DIGI to say
Speaker 1: which you guys are not in the playoffs for? So
Speaker 1: don't you guys want care care answering that question? But
Speaker 1: I think I think those are It's a fair question
Speaker 1: to ask, just to put context into where we're Drake
Speaker 1: ranking Drake May, because those players are, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: more established than him, but they're ranked in a similar
Speaker 1: range in ECR. Would you start May over either those
Speaker 1: two both?
Speaker 2: I would start May over Herbert. I would not over Stroud,
Speaker 2: not over Stroud. I mean I think Kansas City's past
Speaker 2: defense has shown enough issues you have Nico Collins gallop
Speaker 2: them out as well as I think, excuse me, I
Speaker 2: think it's it's also a quietly good spot for Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 2: Not maybe not so quiet because we've been targeting Casey
Speaker 2: for tight ends the entire year. But I would I
Speaker 2: would play Stroud and May over Herbert because the other
Speaker 2: part about this is the Chargers. The Chargers offense has
Speaker 2: looked destitute the last few weeks, like they've been bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Herbert's QB seventeen, May's QB nineteen, Strauts QB twenty two,
Speaker 1: and again Herbert will have played already by the time
Speaker 1: people listening to this.
Speaker 2: But I've got both ranked above Herbert.
Speaker 1: What about you, Fitz, How do you have those three rrect.
Speaker 3: Herbert, May and Stroud? Like I'm not starting Stroud with
Speaker 3: the state of his offensive line. It's just a non
Speaker 3: functional offense with that offensive line being as one of
Speaker 3: the worst in the league. And I know the trade
Speaker 3: chectory of the Chargers' offense is downward right now, but
Speaker 3: you could maybe make a case for me, But I
Speaker 3: think I still feel a little bit better about Herbert
Speaker 3: as long as he does have Lad McConkie healthy.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and again, I know that is not really
Speaker 1: helpful because the game has already happened, but I just
Speaker 1: wanted to put context with it and also get a
Speaker 1: little help for myself.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I get it. You thought of sitting
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert in those three touchdowns he had last night work.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: I sure hope that ends up being accurate. Fits. I
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Speaker 1: Forty nine Ers Dolphins. Guys, these two teams combined for
Speaker 1: eighteen points in Week fifteen, almost every player in both
Speaker 1: of these offenses let down their fantasy managers. So if
Speaker 1: you survived those letdowns from all of these players, which
Speaker 1: guys in this week's matchup? Do you feel best about
Speaker 1: bouncing back in Week sixteen? Fits? I'll start with you, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean part of it, I think is like injury
Speaker 3: problems on the offensive line and the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: having been playing without Trent Williams at left tackle, and
Speaker 3: the Dolphins were missing Tron Armstead last week against the Texans,
Speaker 3: who have a fierce pass rush that caused big problems
Speaker 3: for them. So I don't know if this game is
Speaker 3: going to be a shootout, but I do think I
Speaker 3: think we get a better week from Brock Purty, George Kittle,
Speaker 3: and Juwan Jennings. I don't know if anything can pump
Speaker 3: life back into Deebo Samuel or not, but I think
Speaker 3: those three pretty Kittle Jennings are going to be okay.
Speaker 3: If you're invested in the Dolphins, you definitely want to
Speaker 3: check on the status of Armstead because like it was
Speaker 3: a big problem with him not being out, and like
Speaker 3: the Dolphins already want to to get rid of the
Speaker 3: ball quickly, and like he has no choice to do
Speaker 3: that if Armstead out. I think the Dolphins were without
Speaker 3: both of their starting tackles last week. Right tackle Kendall
Speaker 3: Lamb had a back injury, so reportedly both of those
Speaker 3: guys have a chance to play this week. That would
Speaker 3: be a key factor for Tyreek Hill. And if those
Speaker 3: guys are out, I am going to drop Tyreek Hill
Speaker 3: from like wide receiver eleven or wherever I have him.
Speaker 3: But maybe if those guys are out, it could actually
Speaker 3: be good for a Chan and John new Smith because
Speaker 3: it is just going to be a lot of quick
Speaker 3: passes for the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Debra, who do you think could bounce back this week?
Speaker 2: I think the forty nine ers guys can bounce back. Specifically,
Speaker 2: I mean looking at and as we're taping this, Grindo's
Speaker 2: kind of questionable with now a hamstring issue on top
Speaker 2: of the foot issue. So you know, we'll see how
Speaker 2: that plays out. But brock Party I think has a
Speaker 2: better game. Juwan Jennings is the guy that I really
Speaker 2: want to highlight here because again we talk about like
Speaker 2: the duds of going into playoff weeks and stuff, and
Speaker 2: we talked about Jay and Reed, we talked about Cooper
Speaker 2: Cup Juwan Jennings is on that list too. I mean,
Speaker 2: he had freaking nine targets the week before, but good
Speaker 2: matchup for him this week. I think he bounces back
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill coming off a down game. I really think
Speaker 2: the trio of players that I think really bounce back
Speaker 2: this week in this game is Jennings Tyreek Hill. Considering
Speaker 2: the coverage matchup because of the forty nine ers, it's
Speaker 2: been can we get Tyreek Hill versus a single high
Speaker 2: team and watch him cook? That happened against the Jets.
Speaker 2: I think it happens against the forty nine ers. Since
Speaker 2: week ten, they're running single high at the third highest rate,
Speaker 2: almost sixty seven percent of their snaps. So I think
Speaker 2: this could be a big Tyreek Hill week if two
Speaker 2: has time in the pocket, especially with no Jalen Wattle
Speaker 2: probably in this game, and John Newsmith is going to
Speaker 2: keep doing John Newsmith things.
Speaker 1: So Adam Schefter tweeted earlier this morning, again we're taking
Speaker 1: on Thursday. That looks at Grendo will likely be out
Speaker 1: in this game too. Does that kind of change how
Speaker 1: you guys are approaching anything? Like, are you interested in
Speaker 1: Patrick Taylor or you know anybody else in that backfield,
Speaker 1: they're just completely avoiding it.
Speaker 2: I mean, Taylor's gonna get fifteen to seventeen opportunities in
Speaker 2: the backfield, and he's probably gonna get the reds on work.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's not gonna be Key Shaan Vaughn.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna be the guy that's gonna be elevated Probably
Speaker 2: the RB two behind him, And people don't need to
Speaker 2: waste fab on like is he a Bandakanda? Like he
Speaker 2: hasn't even been active since he's been on the team.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Taylor's gonna be on that RB two, RB
Speaker 2: three CUSP just by stuff a volume in red zone usage.
Speaker 1: Assuming this is accurate and Greno doesn't play, I fits,
Speaker 1: where will you rank Patrick Taylor?
Speaker 3: I will have him inside the top twenty at running back,
Speaker 3: I would say, looking at it right now, I'm probably
Speaker 3: gonna have him ranked right around Rashad White, who I
Speaker 3: currently have running back nineteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, we'll be uh, we'll be aggressive there.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Sunday Night football. Bucks Cowboys fitz Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush was actually somewhat competent against the Panthers last week.
Speaker 1: He was against the Panthers, of course, can he be
Speaker 1: good enough again in this matchup to support good fantasy
Speaker 1: days for Ceedee, Lamb, Rico Daoudel, you know anybody else
Speaker 1: in this offense?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean Cooper Rush is a competent backup and
Speaker 3: we should appreciate that because we were just talking about
Speaker 3: the Dolphins a minute ago, and do you remember what
Speaker 3: happened to that offense when Tua was out and we
Speaker 3: had to deal with Skyler Thompson and Tyler Huntley at
Speaker 3: quarterback for the Dolph It's great when you have a
Speaker 3: competent backup who is not going to destroy the fantasy
Speaker 3: value of the primary running backs, wide receivers, tight ends
Speaker 3: on a team, and I think that's the case here.
Speaker 3: Lamb has averaged ten targets, six point eight catches, and
Speaker 3: seventy one point five yards a game. And Cooper Rush's
Speaker 3: six starts this year and Rico has averaged twenty one
Speaker 3: carries over his last four games. He is a bellcout now,
Speaker 3: So you're starting both of these guys.
Speaker 1: How are you ranking these guys, Debra?
Speaker 2: I mean, Lamb is gonna be Where do I have Lamb?
Speaker 2: He's probably in the top fifteen range or wide receiver
Speaker 2: one I've got him at wide receiver eleven, so you're
Speaker 2: starting LAMB, I guess the only one that it may
Speaker 2: be like, And I've been all over really high on
Speaker 2: Rico Dautle in recent weeks. I bumped him down to
Speaker 2: RB eighteen this week only because the Buccaneers have been
Speaker 2: a really really good run defense over the last few weeks,
Speaker 2: like since Week ten. This run defense is allowing the
Speaker 2: fewest rushing yards per game and the fifth lowest yards
Speaker 2: of the contact per attempt. So I think Rico fIF
Speaker 2: fifty's right. Rico is going to be in for nineteen
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty two opportunities in this game. They're going
Speaker 2: to still run the rock with him. I just don't
Speaker 2: know if he gets into the end zone, and it's
Speaker 2: probably not going to be the most efficient day. But
Speaker 2: based off of volume, yes, he's an RB two.
Speaker 1: Would you guys start Cooper Rush in a super flex league,
Speaker 1: WOOLF He's ranked, He's raked right between Drake May and
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and ECR No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I've got him quarterback twenty, so you know, like I mean,
Speaker 3: if if every team was playing in that super flex league,
Speaker 3: I think he should be starting, but in the playoffs,
Speaker 3: hopefully you know, everyone has two better quarterbacks than that.
Speaker 2: I've got to make QB twenty seven. Like I would
Speaker 2: play Bryce Young, I would play Ad and O'Connell. I'll
Speaker 2: play Mac Jones above him.
Speaker 1: I do have a second question in this game. I
Speaker 1: just want to kind of ask about Mike Evans seven
Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine receiving yards three weeks left in
Speaker 1: the season. Will he finish the year with a thousand
Speaker 1: plus receiving yards for the eleventh straight season?
Speaker 3: Fits Oh, he needs to average eighty four yards a game.
Speaker 3: He's getting there easily, easily.
Speaker 2: Easily easily. This isn't even really come on, worm, this
Speaker 2: isn't even really a question.
Speaker 3: I'm totally not saying this because I have Mike Evans
Speaker 3: on two of my playoff teams still alive.
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's definitely not why. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: maybe you guys think it's easy. It's not a gimme, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not nothing amount of yards.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a gimme.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Want to see it happen in I mean, considering the
Speaker 2: volume is going to get on a weekly basis, like
Speaker 2: nobody else, which we.
Speaker 1: Talked a bit about that on Thursday Debro with Eric
Speaker 1: cin It fits about how it it not only is
Speaker 1: it something that they are probably very motivated to do,
Speaker 1: but you near they are, but they're competing for the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but like it also is good for them to do it, right,
Speaker 1: It makes them better to target. So kind of things
Speaker 1: happen when you feed Mike Evans the football.
Speaker 3: Evans the ball is good policy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's a pretty good thing to do if
Speaker 2: you like to score points and get yards.
Speaker 1: So you guys think it's gonna happen so easy. Will
Speaker 1: he get eleven hundred yards by the end of the season?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, okay, no, I don't.
Speaker 2: I think he is somewhere in like the ten fifty range.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's probably right. Let's go to Monday
Speaker 1: Night football here. Before we get to the question, I
Speaker 1: want to ask you guys about your Uber Eats Monday Night,
Speaker 1: in this case Meals of the Week Debro. What must
Speaker 1: order food gets you reaching for your Uber Eats app
Speaker 1: for great game day deals when you think of Green.
Speaker 2: Bay, I'm just gonna go for the easy thing with
Speaker 2: cheese it's man, I'm gonna go cheese cards that this, this,
Speaker 2: this is, this is just easy. I'm just going to
Speaker 2: take the low hanging.
Speaker 3: I hope you mean the low hanging curd the deep
Speaker 3: fried ones, right, not the ones in the back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, it's got you. It's got
Speaker 2: to be deep fried. No, I'm not just like no,
Speaker 2: we're not going for the raw ones.
Speaker 1: So I specifically, I did not make a pick here.
Speaker 1: I wanted to take the opportunity to ask fits what
Speaker 1: is the best cheese based item? Because cheese curds is
Speaker 1: kind of the classic. I don't know if it's considered
Speaker 1: amongst packer fans a cliche or not. You can answer
Speaker 1: that question for me. So I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 1: if I want something cheese related, what is your number
Speaker 1: one go to? If you're ordering an Uber Eats meal
Speaker 1: for Bayam.
Speaker 3: It's got to be deep fried cheese curds, it's the
Speaker 3: cheese curts.
Speaker 1: Okay, well then then I'll stick with that. Well go
Speaker 1: with the sea. I didn't say you were wrong. I
Speaker 1: said I wanted to get the experts opinion.
Speaker 2: No, but you were going to sow the seed of doubt.
Speaker 1: I got got it, I'd be asking questions.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, and I'm hearing these questions.
Speaker 1: Uh, if it's what is your what is your pick?
Speaker 1: If not deep fried cheese curds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things I like to get when
Speaker 3: I up in Green Bay is a butter burger from Krolls.
Speaker 3: And you know what could be what could be more
Speaker 3: unhealthy than a cheeseburger is a cheeseburger topped with a
Speaker 3: big pat of butter. So, yeah, I've got to get
Speaker 3: one of those whenever I'm up in Green Bay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Almost nothing sounds better to me than the just the
Speaker 1: words butter burger together like that. Just I want to
Speaker 1: eat that. When you it's like thirty or acers, I
Speaker 1: want to go to there. That's me when you mentioned
Speaker 1: a butter burger, I want to go to there.
Speaker 2: There are a few undeniable facts in life. One of
Speaker 2: them is that everything is made better with putting butter
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: It is a real It is as inevitable as Mike
Speaker 1: Evans thousand yard seasons is butter improving.
Speaker 2: Taxes Evans thousand yards and butter.
Speaker 3: There you have it.
Speaker 1: Our Uber eats Monday Night Meals of the Week a Krolls,
Speaker 1: butter Burger, and of course some deep fried cheese curds.
Speaker 1: Uber Eats has the best game day deals all season long.
Speaker 1: Order now for game day, all right, guys, in this
Speaker 1: Saints Packers game, I really just want to ask how
Speaker 1: you're ranking the Packers wide receivers this week? Obviously there
Speaker 1: have been stretches where you know, Jayden Reid looked like
Speaker 1: this elite fantasy option, Christian Watson coming on strong, you know,
Speaker 1: getting tons of separation that stat from Fantasy points, the
Speaker 1: average separation score. I think he was what third so
Speaker 1: far amongst the NFL receivers this year. Obviously, Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 1: has had some good games. So really, when you approach
Speaker 1: this debro, how are you ranking this receiving corps?
Speaker 2: I mean both all these guys are in that wide
Speaker 2: receiver three, wide receiver four range. I think looking at
Speaker 2: really as comes down to who do I like this
Speaker 2: week with the coverage matchup, and who do I think
Speaker 2: can produce? And if I'm looking at the Packers passing attack,
Speaker 2: the guys that I believe in this week one, it's
Speaker 2: not Jayden Reid, It's Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson. Like
Speaker 2: if you look at the coverage matchups for both of them,
Speaker 2: looking at what the Saints have done so since Week three,
Speaker 2: they have been a two high team, fourth highest rate
Speaker 2: in the NFL. That's happened even without Dennis Allen. They've
Speaker 2: stayed consistent with too high coverage. Romeo Dobbs has led
Speaker 2: the team with a twenty six percent target per round
Speaker 2: run rate against too high a twenty five percent first
Speaker 2: re chair. So I think he is going to be
Speaker 2: the volume guy, and so I like him this week.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna end up with a very similar
Speaker 2: stat line as last week, getting the end zone at
Speaker 2: least once. Christian Watson, I think looking at and if
Speaker 2: you watch this game, and I watched every single minute
Speaker 2: of it last week, everybody that played Terry McLaurin and
Speaker 2: watched any part of the Commanders and Saints game knows
Speaker 2: that Jane Daniels and Terry McLaurin should have broken the
Speaker 2: slate last week. Terry McLaurin should have had like one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty freaking receiving yards. They missed on so
Speaker 2: many wide open deep shots in that game. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And I think that we see that come back to
Speaker 2: the median this week, and I think Kristian Watson has
Speaker 2: another ceiling performance. You look at the Saints over the
Speaker 2: last few weeks since Week ten, allowing the third most
Speaker 2: Fantasy points per game and PPR points per target to
Speaker 2: primal wide receivers, but they've also been giving it up
Speaker 2: to deep passing seventh most deep passing arts per game.
Speaker 2: So I think this is ceialing opportunities for Dobbs and Watson,
Speaker 2: and honestly, I do not want to play Jane Reid.
Speaker 2: If there's one been one thing the Saints have actually
Speaker 2: done decently, it's been guarding slot wide receivers. They're allowing
Speaker 2: the fewest PBR points per target to the position since
Speaker 2: week ten.
Speaker 1: The way ECR has it fits is Jaden Reid at
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty four, Romeo Dobbs at wide receiver forty
Speaker 1: and Christian Watson at wide receiver forty six.
Speaker 2: How are you ranking Jaden Reid can do no wrong
Speaker 2: ever in ECR, ever.
Speaker 3: I am behind consensus on every one of these guys.
Speaker 3: I've got Jayden Reid wide receiver thirty five, Christian Watson
Speaker 3: wide receiver forty seven, Romeo Dobbs wide receiver forty eight.
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing I'd pushed back on debro on
Speaker 3: a little bit is that, you know, like Jade Reid
Speaker 3: is involved in the running game, dude, which is no
Speaker 3: small thing for the Packers. I mean, like he's involved
Speaker 3: in all sorts of jet motion, and I think they
Speaker 3: are going to run the heck out of the ball
Speaker 3: in this game. They're two touchdown home favorites against the Saints.
Speaker 3: The temperatures are going to be in the twenties. It's
Speaker 3: Green Bay in late December. That's generally run friendly weather.
Speaker 3: So I'm just concerned about target volume for all these guys,
Speaker 3: Like the Packers have passed the Steelers to become the
Speaker 3: second run heaviest team in the league, behind only the
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles. Jordan Love over the last six games has
Speaker 3: averaged twenty three pass attempts a game, and that's spread
Speaker 3: out between these three receivers Reid, Watson, Dubbs, Tucker Craft
Speaker 3: and you know, any dump off passes to the running back.
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm worried that Jordan Love throws twenty
Speaker 3: passes this week, although you know, not out of the
Speaker 3: question that with twenty pass attempts that could still net
Speaker 3: him like two hundred and thirty yards and three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: So FITZI I guess, and I don't disagree with the
Speaker 2: ending he said. Over the last few I think since
Speaker 2: Week eleven, the Packers have the highest neutral rushing rate
Speaker 2: in the NFL. I don't disagree with any of that.
Speaker 2: This easily could be a game where Green Bay just says,
Speaker 2: you know what, the Saints suck, We're just gonna run
Speaker 2: the damn ball like we've been doing every single week.
Speaker 2: I guess we're I push back against consensus, and how
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this game a little bit differently is
Speaker 2: Love has been up and down over the last few weeks.
Speaker 2: If the Green Bay Packers want to make a deep
Speaker 2: postseason run, they have got to get him right. He
Speaker 2: has got to start firing on some of these deep passes.
Speaker 2: He's got to play better. This feels like a really
Speaker 2: good opportunity for them to fuel the passing game a
Speaker 2: little bit more and instill some confidence in Jordan Love
Speaker 2: going down the stretch.
Speaker 3: Ericson said the same thing on the Starts at Show yesterday.
Speaker 3: The only thing is, like, the only way you could
Speaker 3: like drop this game against the Saints is to commit
Speaker 3: turnovers in the passing game, that's pretty much no other way.
Speaker 3: And like the Packers are just so good at running
Speaker 3: the ball. Matt Lafleur loves to on the.
Speaker 2: Ball, and ever, I don't disagree it can't go sideway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ever since that early season Jordan Love injury where
Speaker 3: they had to find creative ways to run the ball
Speaker 3: and like pulled out all these new wrinkles in the
Speaker 3: running game with some of the best designed running plays
Speaker 3: you've ever seen, like they have their identity has become
Speaker 3: as a running team. But unlike Jalen Hurts, where I'm
Speaker 3: not totally confident Jalen Hurts could overcome like a two
Speaker 3: score deficit in a playoff game just as a passer,
Speaker 3: I think Jordan Love could still do that.
Speaker 2: I think he can too. I think the Packers need
Speaker 2: to like basically kind of answer that question though.
Speaker 1: So do you guys know how many times this season
Speaker 1: Jordan Love has finished higher than QB ten in a week?
Speaker 3: Man like probably three, two or three.
Speaker 1: It's not much twice and they were Week four and
Speaker 1: Week six. Since we one of those Vikings game, wouldn't
Speaker 1: it Vikings game QB two Arizona game, us QB three,
Speaker 1: and then in week seven he's the game. He was
Speaker 1: exactly QB ten.
Speaker 3: And that Vikings game was a game they've had exactly
Speaker 3: once all year where they fell into a giant hole
Speaker 3: and we're trying to dig out.
Speaker 1: He has not been inside the top ten since then.
Speaker 2: So no, I don't disagree with the end of the point.
Speaker 2: It's like the Packers could easily just run the everlevant
Speaker 2: hell out of the ball this week and win this ballgame.
Speaker 2: It just feels like a really good opportunity to get
Speaker 2: them going.
Speaker 1: We'll wrap up there. Thanks everybody for tuning in, and
Speaker 1: best of luck here in week sixteen. I hope everybody
Speaker 1: enjoys whatever holiday festivities you have going on this weekend
Speaker 1: a few days before Christmas or whatever holiday you are celebrating,
Speaker 1: or any kind of family opportunity, a family opportunity that
Speaker 1: you have, and of course the opportunity to make the
Speaker 1: title game as well. So best of luck to everyone
Speaker 1: for debro and fits. I'm Ryan Warmley, and we'll see
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