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Speaker 2: That when me and anfl started this show, we said
Speaker 2: we wanted to give the flowers to the legends, the
Speaker 2: people who have been there for us, the people who
Speaker 2: have been there that pave the way, the people who
Speaker 2: are pioneers and people who are legend, the people who
Speaker 2: are icons. These people have paid the way for me personally,
Speaker 2: you know, from them putting on someone and putting on
Speaker 2: someone and putting on me and all coming together from
Speaker 2: my home burrow.
Speaker 3: These an icon.
Speaker 2: When I see these brothers on stage here came down
Speaker 2: my eye because I realized how personally I wanted to
Speaker 2: see it. It's got nothing to do with hip hop,
Speaker 2: got everything to do with me. Like I personally as
Speaker 2: a fan, it was like, yeah, motherfucker, you know, seeing
Speaker 2: them on stage together, knowing the history and knowing that
Speaker 2: they come back together, I humble myself and I believe.
Speaker 2: I made the phone call and I said, I want
Speaker 2: to make this happen. I would like to be the
Speaker 2: first people to have you brothers together on together and
Speaker 2: give y all y'all flowers.
Speaker 3: That's the most important part.
Speaker 2: The most important part is not having y'all here, but
Speaker 2: having y'all, letting y'all know that this is time to
Speaker 2: praise y'all. It's time to show y'all how much hip
Speaker 2: hop owes y'all. It's time to show show y'all how
Speaker 2: much hip hop appreciate y'all and missus y'all. And in
Speaker 2: case you don't know what we're doing, we're talking about
Speaker 2: the one the motherfucker only.
Speaker 3: Wanted real cold someone let shirts pop because he likes
Speaker 3: to do that. Yeah, that's that's that's that's what she said.
Speaker 1: By that, I'm gonna go with this one.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with this, like yes, yes, so Pete,
Speaker 3: what's going on? My brother?
Speaker 2: You haven't been you got this is how you know
Speaker 2: you're a classic? And look at that?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: So which one is this? This is a Monty Crisco.
Speaker 5: I can tell that a Leor Cohen Cuban pies of Dominicans.
Speaker 2: Right, we smoke Dominicans and Nicaraguans, but the Cuban soil
Speaker 2: I think it's different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, just catching up, but Leor put me
Speaker 5: up on the Cubans.
Speaker 3: The woid of Mono rail way back.
Speaker 5: I used to only smoke Cubans.
Speaker 3: And which one is this one? That's a Monte Cristco?
Speaker 3: This crystal ball is so okay? So what's the difference
Speaker 3: between it?
Speaker 2: This Monty Crisco and it has a New York label
Speaker 2: than the regular Monty crist.
Speaker 5: I think I just was in Chicago. They had a
Speaker 5: Chicago one, so I think, okay.
Speaker 3: So how long you brothers happen? They got to Brooklyn
Speaker 3: got a book out of that? How long have you brothers?
Speaker 2: Because I couldn't tell when you said you guys said
Speaker 2: you wasn't on stage for thirty years together? Or if
Speaker 2: that meant you guys hadn't seen each other in thirty years?
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that a big difference? Really that long?
Speaker 1: So I think Cassidy got a little excited. Okay I didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we have performed officially on stage together in probably
Speaker 1: close to thirteen, twelve or thirteen years.
Speaker 3: We you can tell you from.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know.
Speaker 5: I saw nt do that and gold fingers Joffrey.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so yeah, okay, can you what you said?
Speaker 3: We got no more see it? I'm sorry, yeah, I
Speaker 3: got I gotta let him know. Yeah, down to the
Speaker 3: Thug Borough, that's no.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, so it really had become like
Speaker 1: after that show. You know, life happens, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, and you know he was.
Speaker 3: After the recent show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was like twelve years ago. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: so what happened? Well, go ahead, it was thirty. We
Speaker 1: kind of do this every ten years. Okay, you remember
Speaker 1: the first time? Reunite every ten years? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: say Adams, Yeah yeah, yeah, so so say it for
Speaker 1: those who don't know, say did the Big Eie album,
Speaker 1: he did a third Base album, he did the Redman cover,
Speaker 1: he did Ready to Die like.
Speaker 5: He's I mean maybe regardless, you.
Speaker 3: Have an exhibit out here during the pavement, you know, and.
Speaker 5: He's actually in this show at the Museum of City
Speaker 5: of New York right now too, Martin walk So say
Speaker 5: somehow enabled the fact that he got me and Surge
Speaker 5: are on the phone together. Are not knowing that we
Speaker 5: were going to be on the phone together in nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety nine, Okay, wow, And he got us to come
Speaker 5: back and we did Woodstock.
Speaker 3: Wow. So we did work here.
Speaker 1: So what happened was so we at that time our
Speaker 1: agent was also the guy named Johnny Podell.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Johnny's all City DJ.
Speaker 1: Cassidy's dad right, Okay, Cassidy dad dad no relation to
Speaker 1: Burt Padell, No, like dad, I didn't know, so yeah,
Speaker 1: so Johnny Pidell who used to book some Power Lewis.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so R and William Morris that's Cassidy's dad.
Speaker 1: That's how actually me and Pete med Cassidy when he
Speaker 1: was nine years old, when he used to come to
Speaker 1: my house in Long Island on the way to That's
Speaker 1: how we started DJing.
Speaker 3: And was lying when he told us that yeah was playing.
Speaker 5: We did a couple of records. Cassidy was like a
Speaker 5: little kid in the studio.
Speaker 3: That's how I knew.
Speaker 1: So so he was like, Yo, do you guys want
Speaker 1: to do Woodstock?
Speaker 3: And we're like, why wouldn't we want to do Woodstock?
Speaker 3: Like you know.
Speaker 1: But the thing that was really funny is they paid
Speaker 1: us one thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I still have because I thought it was more.
Speaker 1: I still have the check that I didn't cash paid
Speaker 1: to third Base, which I can't do anyway because there's
Speaker 1: no account that says third bit for three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty three dollars and thirty three cents right everywhere. So
Speaker 1: we go to we go to Woodstock to do Woodstock,
Speaker 1: and it's the opening day. It's like Thursday, and everybody's
Speaker 1: all the way on one side, We're all the.
Speaker 3: Way on the opening stage.
Speaker 5: What was fucking Delly George Clayton on the other side.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: But later, right later, but we were like literally like
Speaker 1: the opening for this stage. So DJ Eclips, who was
Speaker 1: with us at time, he's just start spinning records House
Speaker 1: of Pain rock him and all these people start moving
Speaker 1: towards us, like moving towards us, moving towards us and
Speaker 1: we rocked. We rocked, and then we went to Europe
Speaker 1: for a little while, just some European dates, tried to
Speaker 1: do an.
Speaker 2: Album stretching what we do, and then basketball always always
Speaker 2: got basketball.
Speaker 1: Right and uh and yeah, we started recording for an
Speaker 1: album called Cabot's Craning, which was always gonna be the
Speaker 1: third Third Base album.
Speaker 3: Just never happened. You know, life happens, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But I remember at that time, I just didn't see
Speaker 2: you guys together. But I never remember hearing rumors that
Speaker 2: you breaking up. It wasn't too recently that we heard you.
Speaker 2: Like it was like you guys wasn't coming together and
Speaker 2: didn't see it you guys recently. So was there like
Speaker 2: a certain thing that happened for you guys not to
Speaker 2: be around, Because listen, I'm a part of a group too,
Speaker 2: And I say, it's just me and Capone being together.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing as Wu Tang getting together. It's
Speaker 2: not different personalities, even though.
Speaker 3: It like I noticed it. So I'm just asking you guys, like,
Speaker 3: was was there something?
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't that it was something I think
Speaker 1: what for me at least, and I can just share.
Speaker 1: My perspective is that you know, I was in a
Speaker 1: place where I wasn't really doing some great listening. Like
Speaker 1: I can take responsibility for this, you said, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I wasn't. I just wasn't a great partner.
Speaker 1: You know, So at least for me my perspective, and
Speaker 1: I can take the you know, I can admit my
Speaker 1: faults and you know, say, this was the reasons for
Speaker 1: the demise of our partnership.
Speaker 3: Was I was. I wasn't in a good place.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in a healthy place, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't listening, right, I was definitely basing a
Speaker 1: lot of my decisions on ego, I was basing a
Speaker 1: lot of my decisions.
Speaker 3: On like my wife and my relationship.
Speaker 1: And you know, the truth of the matter was I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking the way a partnership think, right, So everything
Speaker 1: was kind of off kilter for me. And looking back now,
Speaker 1: obviously because I love that Muhammad Ali saying like he says,
Speaker 1: if you're the same man at twenty four, then you
Speaker 1: are fifty four. You wasted thirty years ago, right, So
Speaker 1: I can sit now here being a little older than
Speaker 1: fifty four saying, you.
Speaker 3: Know, what.
Speaker 1: I'm not at that place anymore, and I can look
Speaker 1: back and say I'll do I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: that same person today, right, So a lot of those
Speaker 1: are the reasons why, you know, we couldn't coexist, you know,
Speaker 1: and I have to have.
Speaker 3: To can't let that go? Okay, I love you saying that.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 3: That's big.
Speaker 5: But also the fact that me and Rich when that
Speaker 5: riff was there, we didn't think that Russell and the
Speaker 5: Ore would actually even let it have like, you know,
Speaker 5: like let us flit up, because they could have forced it.
Speaker 5: But you know, they helped, you know, just they're like,
Speaker 5: oh they want to do this. They made up their mind.
Speaker 3: You know. That was basically so.
Speaker 5: But listen, me and Rich had some of the same
Speaker 5: things going on in search and uh.
Speaker 3: Which nice Rich. Ok Okay, that's right, that's right, that's right,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 5: So but uh yeah, so, I mean it's just maturing
Speaker 5: over the years. Uh you know, I mean, but such
Speaker 5: I had a a whole history even before before that.
Speaker 5: So that's the crazy thing about us going back to
Speaker 5: when we met at the last quarter.
Speaker 1: So you know, and now you know, looking at it todayway.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, So he he was in Florid Park.
Speaker 1: I was in Far Rockaway, but we always ran into
Speaker 1: each other, like we would cross our paths at the
Speaker 1: latt Quarter. His first MC partner was a guy I went
Speaker 1: to high school with who was like the first white
Speaker 1: rapper ever, kidnamed Vanilla b A K. A.
Speaker 3: Key O, great graffiti artist Lad Scotch. Yeah, Blake Latham
Speaker 3: and we got your move about it. I like to
Speaker 3: say that the life, but that was the other.
Speaker 1: Thing that really was like to me was the a
Speaker 1: PEX for me was Cassidy show was on November eighth.
Speaker 1: That was the thirty fifth anniversary of our album release party.
Speaker 1: Wow that Clark Kent DJ and Clark died and Clark
Speaker 1: is really the connect tissue between me and rich and
Speaker 1: Pete Dana Dane I went to high school with. He
Speaker 1: was Clark's DJ, you know, was his DJ. You know,
Speaker 1: Pete met Clark. They did a radio show together, you know, Rich.
Speaker 3: Stretch above Vito.
Speaker 5: We had the first show on WKCR, and then Clark
Speaker 5: introduced me to Richie Rich, who you know, arguably the
Speaker 5: best show DJ in the world. I mean, like we
Speaker 5: we guarantee if you put Daddy Rich out there ten
Speaker 5: minutes said on tour, You're guaranteed that the crowd goes Like.
Speaker 1: You remember this comedian, this Mexican comedian, like what was
Speaker 1: his name, Rodriguez, Like he was Paul Rodriguez. Yea, Paul
Speaker 1: had a big show, Like he had a talk show
Speaker 1: that like NBC was putting soupid Money was the first
Speaker 1: bilingual show after Rich did Our Sineo.
Speaker 3: This motherfucker built this.
Speaker 1: Shit with like cameras on all angles and like like
Speaker 1: to watch him do his tricks, like like when Rich
Speaker 1: battled in the World supremacy, like he did a forty
Speaker 1: three unre vertical leap overturn table like I mean, like
Speaker 1: without miss Ship, you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like so you know some Superman shit.
Speaker 3: So Clock was the connector between all of us.
Speaker 1: So for Clock to die and not be here and
Speaker 1: it's November eighth, and it's that thirty fifth anniversary and
Speaker 1: it's just all those numbers made sense to me in
Speaker 1: an album coming out, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like and you know.
Speaker 3: I hate to do it good, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: you know, it's different right now, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Saying I'm just saying like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, it's just it just made
Speaker 1: all the sense in the world, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and universal now like really stepping up releasing the record
Speaker 1: the way it always should have been on the album,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, really it felt like
Speaker 1: the right time. It just felt like the right time,
Speaker 1: especially because Cassidy in our history with his dad and
Speaker 1: Kaz and like my family with him, like he's family
Speaker 1: to me, Like my kids call him Uncle Kaz, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's just made sense, you know what.
Speaker 5: I remember Chuck Dan, we were on roadich all got
Speaker 5: money Now, that's what.
Speaker 3: That's what. So we were on tour with Chuck. We
Speaker 3: were on toward Public Enemy.
Speaker 1: It was like Public Enemy Digital Underground, Big Daddy Kane, like,
Speaker 1: and we're in the South and I see that two
Speaker 1: live crews on the show.
Speaker 3: And I used to love to like go up and
Speaker 3: see you.
Speaker 1: Know, order time, set time, and I remember that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at to run a show, and it would always
Speaker 1: be like you know, Caine third Days, you blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But it was always Public Enemy. So this show and
Speaker 1: we're in like the middle of nowhere. I think we're
Speaker 1: in the like Dad and rouge AA somewhere in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: and it's bang bang bang Public Enemy two live crew.
Speaker 3: So now I'm hot. I'm you know, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 3: what then see the no?
Speaker 1: No, no, who the fuck would fuck this up? Like
Speaker 1: Pe closes the show. I'm from New York, I'm a
Speaker 1: queen starle bread. What the fuck you talking about? Ain't
Speaker 1: nobody closing over a fucking Public Enemy?
Speaker 3: And I'm mad?
Speaker 1: So I run into like brother Mike and brother James
Speaker 1: from you know that's one w's. I said, Yo, they
Speaker 1: made a mistake. He said no, wow, And I said,
Speaker 1: let me talk Chuck.
Speaker 6: Chuck comes out and as he says, he just said,
Speaker 6: he waved the tumble at me, did the tumble, and
Speaker 6: he said, hottest group closes and he closed the door.
Speaker 1: That's all he said to me. And I said, what
Speaker 1: the fuck does that mean? How does group closes? We
Speaker 1: get on, We do our thing. King goes on to it, says,
Speaker 1: Public Enemy comes on. The fucking place is moving, whole
Speaker 1: venue moving.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: The second they get off the stage, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there's about fifty cops all around the stage.
Speaker 3: For them for two live crew.
Speaker 1: Them boys come out, they get on stage and Luke
Speaker 1: just says one thing, Hey, these motherfuckersre gonna throw us
Speaker 1: in jail if we say any custoings, so we can't
Speaker 1: do the custom.
Speaker 3: You do us for it.
Speaker 1: Hey, twenty two thousand people, they didn't Tao one fucking.
Speaker 3: One fucking word. Taught a bitch down, said, you know,
Speaker 3: they didn't show one doesn't work.
Speaker 5: I'm on one of the other shows.
Speaker 1: One of the other shows they did, but that was
Speaker 1: because of fighting. There was an assault thing. But yo,
Speaker 1: it was crazy like and it made me realize, like
Speaker 1: when you're on tour, hot to Scoop closes. When we
Speaker 1: were on tour, like on during the dialect, we're on
Speaker 1: the West coast with Cyprus, We're.
Speaker 3: Like, y'all close, y'all close, like because you know.
Speaker 1: When we brought them on, right, Yeah, when we brought
Speaker 1: them on, Pigs was their first single. Like no one
Speaker 1: was really fucking with it when we got to the
Speaker 1: West coast, like that's all you heard. Every fucking sholo
Speaker 1: was bumping that ship. So we're like, yeah, y'all close them,
Speaker 1: So let me ask y'all. We had doctor Dre and
Speaker 1: Snoop and doctor Dre I asked him for something. There's
Speaker 1: something that's been been like kind of bothering me.
Speaker 2: I was like, you said that the firm flopped and
Speaker 2: I could literally see Doctor Dre put his head down
Speaker 2: and he was like, I shouldn't have said that, right,
Speaker 2: And it's like, all these years later he regrets. Do
Speaker 2: you regret putting certain people on the gas face who got.
Speaker 3: The gas pace? Obviously? Like you ever talk to Himmer
Speaker 3: all this time?
Speaker 1: Like, no, I mean, but honestly I think that, Like,
Speaker 1: and again, this is just me.
Speaker 3: This is my path, you know.
Speaker 1: Eleven eleven twenty four, I celebrated thirteen years of recovery,
Speaker 1: right so, like.
Speaker 3: For like, so.
Speaker 1: One of the big parts of my maturity is making amends, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's a big part of like being able to speak
Speaker 1: to people and be able to make amends and say, look,
Speaker 1: this is what I did wrong, this is the responsibility
Speaker 1: I take from my behavior, and.
Speaker 3: This is how I act Differently.
Speaker 1: It's not about apologizing, because you can be a sorry
Speaker 1: mother fuck your whole life if you don't change. So
Speaker 1: for me, it's not about apologizing about Look, I acknowledge
Speaker 1: I did this wrong and moving moving.
Speaker 3: Now, this is how I act differently, right, I.
Speaker 1: Would make amends to Hammel because I see it from
Speaker 1: his side, right, I know, And I can honestly say
Speaker 1: this for ninety percent of it.
Speaker 3: Pete's line that shit was hard body.
Speaker 1: Like, let's be real clear, Like that lyric that he
Speaker 1: dropped on Hamma's head is hard body.
Speaker 3: No, that's what he did. Date his records.
Speaker 1: Turn his mother out, hold the cactus, turn Hammer's mother out.
Speaker 3: Yo. That ship was hard body for us.
Speaker 5: And I was arguing with him straight up on the radio.
Speaker 3: Ok, was.
Speaker 5: He sabotaged us and put ham All on Live? Right?
Speaker 3: Well, he ambushed us, Yeah, ambushed us on radio.
Speaker 1: But the point was like we didn't think of that
Speaker 1: line literally, because that's how MC's did. Like we had
Speaker 1: double entendres all the time. We didn't think his he
Speaker 1: would literally he take it like, yeah, we're talking.
Speaker 3: About his mom.
Speaker 5: Search is then taking it back to the essence taking
Speaker 5: please it is nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3: I'm there.
Speaker 5: Before we had records out. Search would try to get
Speaker 5: us on anything. So Search got us on the road
Speaker 5: with Houdini judging a dunk contest in the full force
Speaker 5: like basketball basketball game open and we're there with his dude,
Speaker 5: Greg Butler from the next and the other dude from
Speaker 5: the Warriors that passed back then, and this little kid
Speaker 5: comes on halftime, starts dancing and kind of like hammer
Speaker 5: style boom then Hammer comes out right.
Speaker 1: And he had a Cadillac filled with so he was
Speaker 1: pumping his music out of his cadillact this one.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: What they called bull boy for the Oakland age. So
Speaker 1: he had a Cadillac and he had a trunk full
Speaker 1: of music and everybody was like, oh, that's the hottest
Speaker 1: kid in Oakland.
Speaker 5: And you know search in the record he said he
Speaker 5: had soul coming out his asshole. He he wanted to battle. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and James had no idea who the we were, and
Speaker 5: he just like he just peeled us off. And we
Speaker 5: actually caught him outside. He was in a bed in
Speaker 5: a drop top bends with that kid Dante. Security picked
Speaker 5: even got a picture, but.
Speaker 3: It is in his hometown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was like, I mean, it was just
Speaker 1: a playful, like it's like we all dance paddle back in.
Speaker 3: Right after that.
Speaker 5: Like so we we actually were with him, met him,
Speaker 5: talk right in front of him. But then he just
Speaker 5: run and then with the whole you're hitting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you ain't hitting in New York and and.
Speaker 7: That's what got That's where that's where our whole of
Speaker 7: hammer started.
Speaker 5: And that's where we were just pretty much defending you know,
Speaker 5: the guys who created ship for us and.
Speaker 3: Rush and yeah, absolutely right, absolutely right.
Speaker 5: That's why you saw D m C and ms J
Speaker 5: in the gas face kick that kick that fake but
Speaker 5: something search you wouldn't have won the dance content.
Speaker 3: You ain't say I could do.
Speaker 1: I could jump through my leg I could jump to
Speaker 1: the limb that dance.
Speaker 3: Don't care. I could dance my paradise.
Speaker 5: Used to throw mustache at that cute first right before
Speaker 5: he was rhyming out of the records out just with
Speaker 5: the gold white boy, bring it, We'll bring it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. He would have got served. You
Speaker 1: don't got it served? Yeah, you know he got in
Speaker 1: the bay.
Speaker 3: No, but I wasn't. I was really nice. We might
Speaker 3: have to bring that day.
Speaker 1: But the point is, but the point is now you
Speaker 1: know obviously where I am in my life today, Like
Speaker 1: I would make amends to him because I know that
Speaker 1: must have been like you never spoke to him never met,
Speaker 1: never never spoke to him.
Speaker 2: That wow yea, And how about what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: Leo cohones, Yes, el Roy, that.
Speaker 3: Was did you have to make amends?
Speaker 1: Because that's like, yeah, I mean that's like the first
Speaker 1: dis record.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, do you know if ever that
Speaker 3: someone want come to Leo the gas like whatever? He
Speaker 3: still does.
Speaker 1: So he was, you know, so he was he got
Speaker 1: the City of Light honor right, so it was all
Speaker 1: the deaf jam that picassidy. He says to me, goes motherfucker.
Speaker 1: They still call me el Roy motherfucker. No, he said
Speaker 1: it like this, they still.
Speaker 8: Do.
Speaker 3: You know they come to your mother. I know if
Speaker 3: you search you.
Speaker 5: Roy, you know what?
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy about that?
Speaker 5: He deserves every bit of it.
Speaker 3: You got that one.
Speaker 2: On one part of that, it's like Dan, you dissed me.
Speaker 2: But on the other part of that, you made and
Speaker 2: they live there forever too. So it's the good and
Speaker 2: the bad. But how did this? How did le all
Speaker 2: get the gas face? How does Elroy excuse me?
Speaker 3: Well, you dealt with Leon? Yes, yeah, we go pleasure.
Speaker 5: First of all, you go up into Leo's office. He's
Speaker 5: got a big cutout of his fiance behind him, who
Speaker 5: was a singer at the time, e k oh okay.
Speaker 3: And you don't notice, Leo, you just right this is
Speaker 3: to eight.
Speaker 5: Elizabeth Freig Moxley was his assistant. So he's like behind
Speaker 5: him in a little back office and he's just screaming
Speaker 5: at people. One time we did they had us do
Speaker 5: a rape. They wanted us to do a rave in London.
Speaker 5: In London, and there were literally like two Nigerian princes
Speaker 5: who came. We were in the rush office with them
Speaker 5: and they were pitching this whole thing, and.
Speaker 9: Leo's like, I wanted to get twenty thousand Republican to
Speaker 9: meet ten thousand for third Base, ten thousands of day
Speaker 9: La Soul, and these guys are guaranteeing and everything.
Speaker 5: And I actually had the other guys picturing this is
Speaker 5: let me just let me, let me just.
Speaker 1: Rewind real quick because there's an important yeah, rewind, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one really important part of this. Public Enemy
Speaker 1: were supposed to perform the night before and they had
Speaker 1: a ray right, so they already paid Public Enemy and
Speaker 1: they didn't perform. So he was like, if you want
Speaker 1: them again, it's going to cost another another twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand plus for this group, plus for this group.
Speaker 5: And he's like, if you do not get the money
Speaker 5: to me, I am you would be your father will
Speaker 5: send you back to the bush.
Speaker 10: And oh my god, he was brutal.
Speaker 1: But let me just say he has one like literally,
Speaker 1: when you talk about how we talk about the bag, No,
Speaker 1: he had a bag, a brown paper bag, jimim guy.
Speaker 1: No okay, a brown paper bag with fifty thousand bands.
Speaker 1: And when he said to me and Peters they would
Speaker 1: go back to the bush and get me my money
Speaker 1: another time, No, no, no yo, And so I said,
Speaker 1: So Pete leaves the room and.
Speaker 3: I go, Yo, can I get ten dollars to get
Speaker 3: something to eat? And he feels me five dollars Leo.
Speaker 5: So Leo made me some promisory notes, maybe even for
Speaker 5: my first born.
Speaker 3: Like he never lost the dollars to a rapper.
Speaker 1: He never left the rappers. That dude never lost the dime,
Speaker 1: He never lost the pig and the dives. Like man,
Speaker 1: he never left a penny on the table. I remember walking,
Speaker 1: Do you remember the man? Do you remember when Jazz
Speaker 1: Jeff in the Fresh Prince had the one eight hundred number? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a stack okay, So Jazz Jeff in
Speaker 1: the Fresh Prince one eight hundred where you could call
Speaker 1: them and they would wish you a happy holiday.
Speaker 2: Married Jones was the first nigga that did that.
Speaker 3: He did he actually gave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went into his office.
Speaker 3: So we go into his office. There's a stack, a
Speaker 3: stack of.
Speaker 1: Checks made out to Jazzy Jeff and the Press Prince
Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty four thousand, sixteen thousand.
Speaker 3: A stack.
Speaker 1: This had like he knew how to collect money. There
Speaker 1: was one thing done on that. Yeah, but he was
Speaker 1: a monster when it came to that ship. He never
Speaker 1: left a penny on the table. And that's not a
Speaker 1: bad thing, especially when he's working for you. When he's
Speaker 1: working against you, it's a fucking moment.
Speaker 10: So where you guys were the beef coman? How did
Speaker 10: he get the gas face?
Speaker 3: Like, no, we got the gas face was in the air.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it was like he was like a turban dear.
Speaker 5: But like, yo, David scrub It's.
Speaker 3: Right, Dante needs a haircut, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like this, it was really like an inside shot out. Yes,
Speaker 3: I saw them following him. Yeah, I get it. It's
Speaker 3: like it's like you know, anybody.
Speaker 2: Who got the gas face was real. I thought they
Speaker 2: would never squash it with y'all.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it seemed you were just roll calling people people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, called the Leader of South Africa p w Bota click.
Speaker 3: It was just fucking you know, it's ship.
Speaker 2: But so, what is your what is your favorite era
Speaker 2: hip hop? Damn well, I know what this is.
Speaker 5: I'm one of the curators at the hip Hop Museum
Speaker 5: with Paradise from Excelent Oh, so my life is.
Speaker 3: Just hip hop history.
Speaker 5: So I find myself as much as like nineteen eighty
Speaker 5: six credits right at the time that every being Rock
Speaker 5: Him came out, Like I would say that would be
Speaker 5: golden era of the top like slice of time, but
Speaker 5: I really would if I had to go back on
Speaker 5: time machine, I want to go back to like, you know,
Speaker 5: seventy five at the Evil O with who herk, Park Ken,
Speaker 5: all those guys DJ Smoke you well the guy, and
Speaker 5: all these other guys who were pivotal in the history
Speaker 5: of hip hop that no one knows about.
Speaker 3: And no one knows that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you gonna do your job and get up.
Speaker 2: But that's a Spike era, right, the Spikes and the
Speaker 2: dark Glasses and no.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, that that's really like the the A
Speaker 5: J Lester you know him, you know uptown like colchar
Speaker 5: Rock type thing. And like you know when when colclar
Speaker 5: Rock tells people, you know her hert was from Jamaica.
Speaker 5: He didn't know how to dress. I had to take
Speaker 5: him up to town.
Speaker 2: The album they say the other dul DJ with her,
Speaker 2: but he also would talk HERK would talk too.
Speaker 5: But they credit him to be one of the first
Speaker 5: mcs exactly, and you know there were there were a
Speaker 5: number of them, but Colk would say, I would take
Speaker 5: them aj Lester to get the fly ship. And when
Speaker 5: I was working with Hirt's brother and he had a
Speaker 5: shoe box full of all these receipts and there's like
Speaker 5: a cool Hurtz receipt from nineteen seventy five from aj Leslter.
Speaker 5: So I showed it to Coke. He's like I told everybody,
Speaker 5: I took there so that going back in a time
Speaker 5: machine to that age would be for me, you know,
Speaker 5: that would be the tops. Okay, So now with search
Speaker 5: search would think, hold on.
Speaker 2: Actually the Swiss beats cost tomorrow and he says, I
Speaker 2: want you guys to do versus you guys picked your group?
Speaker 3: Who you pick it?
Speaker 5: Well, first off, I want to get Swiss beats and
Speaker 5: Alicia Keys. They bought the cool Hurt speakers, which we're
Speaker 5: actually in talks with them to try to loan them
Speaker 5: to the museum. Oh wow, actually used within.
Speaker 3: They actually got they got quired. Yeah, I never they bought.
Speaker 5: And they have their Giants exhibition that's going around the country.
Speaker 5: Hurts Herculos speakers are in that exhibition, but with diverses.
Speaker 3: But with the verses. Yes, third base against who oh
Speaker 3: third base? Yes?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Are you you go solo too? No?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I thought you were talking about not base.
Speaker 2: Because in case days, I don't know, if you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's see.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: X plan third base would be probably the.
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I think yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: Now obviously we had you know, sugar Chef professor, but yeah,
Speaker 5: that would be. I think that would have been because
Speaker 5: as much as we have b for the X Plan,
Speaker 5: I mean we both love Brother Jay like Brother j
Speaker 5: it was like one one of our favorite mcs.
Speaker 1: I think also there's a you know with La Mumba
Speaker 1: May rest in peace and paradise. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of love there, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: even though they were like how can the bowler best
Speaker 1: gorillas and like all of that ship, but I think
Speaker 1: it was all like whole I mean, for me, it's easy.
Speaker 3: It's e pm D. I was thinking more a pm D.
Speaker 1: Yeah, third Baking, apm D like to me, third base
Speaker 1: and e pm D only because.
Speaker 3: Smooth too.
Speaker 1: Nice and smooth would be great because we did records together.
Speaker 1: To me, but you know, I think that it's really
Speaker 1: challenging for us because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: where two albums deep, and that's the crazy ship. Like
Speaker 1: if you think about the thirty five years, I.
Speaker 2: Think they got one album right, one and a half
Speaker 2: and that no one knows that right house party party,
Speaker 2: No one knows that, you know.
Speaker 11: But La Hill had one album, but she had also
Speaker 11: but she when we say Laura Hill, yeah, no, that's true.
Speaker 11: You can perform Fuji records. She can do Fuji records
Speaker 11: and she got that big, big cap record when she
Speaker 11: bodied that ship. She said, I'm for woman up to
Speaker 11: make it that that that whole verse is crazy. But
Speaker 11: to me, it's epm D move. To me, those are
Speaker 11: both good. What about you if CNN got back together.
Speaker 11: Who would you want to do versus against.
Speaker 1: CNN CNN versy and it's none of us anyway, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: just I'll beat it in your minds, in your like
Speaker 1: against the Spanish version of Norri and then right then
Speaker 1: the version and then the pharal version versus the capon
Speaker 1: and version of We can actually put it off and
Speaker 1: we could be in the same state too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty impressive, cute that one. So is it time
Speaker 3: for the flowers? Yes?
Speaker 2: Our show was about giving legends they flowers while they
Speaker 2: could smell them. They treats where they could help them,
Speaker 2: they thoughts where they could think them, and they drinks
Speaker 2: where they can drink them. We were so happy to
Speaker 2: see you brothers back together, so happy because I said
Speaker 2: this to doctor Dre and i'mna say it to you, guys.
Speaker 2: I said to doctor Dre, life is better when he's
Speaker 2: making music, and life is better when third bases in
Speaker 2: the motherfucking game.
Speaker 3: He owes me. That's just from making me go to
Speaker 3: the house of fucking Athletes to sit in the room
Speaker 3: for three hours.
Speaker 2: My god, I love this guy and it really is
Speaker 2: great you guys, but really, really, I really want to
Speaker 2: see you guys on tour, like, since we're giving out flowers, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got something for y'all. Okay, okay, okay, since you
Speaker 2: know we're giving out ship you're not taking back this record.
Speaker 1: I just figured you want maybe one other one? Oh man, yes,
Speaker 1: I want. So these two copies came out. This is
Speaker 1: limited edition.
Speaker 3: I got to crack it open, right, Okay, that's how
Speaker 3: you crack it over Nintendo. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so you
Speaker 3: might want to. I'm gonna let you check it out.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, yeah, he's gonna take it from me anyway.
Speaker 2: You're going to give it to me Green. Oh, he's
Speaker 2: bullies my vity. That's a limited edition Green. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so the link on the bio link is
Speaker 1: on my mc serves bio will be on Pete's bio.
Speaker 3: You can go and get those right now.
Speaker 10: And you said the original pressing of this, they only
Speaker 10: did it on one one copy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was forty seven minutes aside, and we had
Speaker 1: a frame it and the Clark oh yeah. Locke used
Speaker 1: to complain about the grooves all the time, how thin
Speaker 1: they were and how like the base would want well,
Speaker 1: so we always talked about like, yo, there should have
Speaker 1: been a double album.
Speaker 3: I'm one of those deaths.
Speaker 5: We never got double royalties.
Speaker 3: Know we actually think you know what?
Speaker 1: And and that's I want to shout out Monty Lipman,
Speaker 1: and I do want to shout out the Libman brothers
Speaker 1: because once they became the chairman's of def Jam, they
Speaker 1: put me in Pete in the legacy program. So we
Speaker 1: got our first royalty checks ever in thirty five years.
Speaker 1: And August explain what that is the legacy So this
Speaker 1: is so the legacy program basically means.
Speaker 3: No, okay.
Speaker 1: So it's basically this, if you signed a fucked up
Speaker 1: deal before two thousand, they zero your debt.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: So that's basically it is only right. It's right. And
Speaker 3: we signed to Left Hand Records.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 3: He told me. He's trying to tell me that I
Speaker 3: didn't tell you. Seriously.
Speaker 5: I thought he's bullshited me. I didn't do it, so
Speaker 5: I have it. No, No, I thought that it wasn't possible.
Speaker 5: I thought he was sucking around with me.
Speaker 3: The music industry is trying to do good.
Speaker 1: For us, certainly for us, like I gotta be honest
Speaker 1: with you and shout out like Charlene Thomas at Death Jam,
Speaker 1: like She literally brought people from Hollywood to Hialiah to
Speaker 1: get this vinyl here for y'all today.
Speaker 3: Like, so shout out to Charlene, shout out to death Jam.
Speaker 3: They fucking Erica all of the people.
Speaker 1: There's people now that are running catalog like people that
Speaker 1: we knew, like Tina Dynham used to be the head
Speaker 1: of marketing who did Wayne Records. Now all she does
Speaker 1: is catalog and the same people who have the same energy. No,
Speaker 1: she's a reservoir She's she's a reservoir masters as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah she so she did the Day Long.
Speaker 5: Okay, she's on the board at the Hip Hop Museum
Speaker 5: as well, So I will say that. You know, it
Speaker 5: was also in the female group called four Pack.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I definitely feel like at least Monty who's now
Speaker 1: the chairman of Deaf gen and you can see what
Speaker 1: they're doing for the artists from our generation and how
Speaker 1: they're trying to like step up and do the right
Speaker 1: thing right because I remember hearing people said those contracts
Speaker 1: back in the days always had that word of perpetuity,
Speaker 1: and no one knew throughout the universe, no one knew
Speaker 1: what perpetuity meant.
Speaker 2: Since two thousand and five. Well even deeper. I'll go
Speaker 2: one step deeper.
Speaker 1: We signed it what's called an at will agreement, which
Speaker 1: means that we didn't sign a recording contract.
Speaker 3: We signed as at will employees to record a record.
Speaker 10: On behalf of deafth Gam like being an independent contractor correct, what.
Speaker 3: Is a work?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that means they own our records for lot. Wow,
Speaker 1: we have to suit them at the Hip Hop Museum.
Speaker 5: We got contracts that would make your stomach to Joe
Speaker 5: Ski loves contract. People can see that a contract the
Speaker 5: Mic and Day of Records with SWEETYG and positive case
Speaker 5: first records on the Mic and Day label, like just crazy,
Speaker 5: and then even going up to like the early Hudan
Speaker 5: you know the first those are like the real first
Speaker 5: contract running them. But you know when we by the
Speaker 5: time we had our deal with deaf Jam, we were
Speaker 5: like kind of in that transition period, like people really
Speaker 5: didn't get paid until.
Speaker 1: No, we didn't know, No, we didn't get shipped. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I tell people this all the time. There's there's
Speaker 1: the left hand records side of it, and then there's
Speaker 1: the deaf Jam Records oute of it. Right, the left
Speaker 1: hand records side of it is. We didn't have off
Speaker 1: We met with Tom Silverman. Tom Silverman literally Tom Silverman
Speaker 1: was the head of Tommy Boys. We literally looked at
Speaker 1: me and Pete said, I can't give you more money
Speaker 1: than stets of Sonic.
Speaker 3: What am I gonna tell that yet?
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, what the fuck does that have to
Speaker 1: do with anything? So you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we had a lot of offers. It
Speaker 1: wasn't until after the Battle for World Supremacy that he,
Speaker 1: you know, Russell was like, oh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, we want to sign you. But it wasn't was
Speaker 3: a fault. Let me speak for y'all. Let me speak
Speaker 3: for y'all. Yeah, please.
Speaker 2: You probably didn't know you had his many offers because
Speaker 2: at that time we didn't have a Twitter. We didn't
Speaker 2: have But you guys are probably hot on the street.
Speaker 1: We were hot on the street because we were hot
Speaker 1: on the street, you know, because Pete had this radio show.
Speaker 1: I was in the quarters, I was battling people. Pete
Speaker 1: was outside with Clark like we were in the mix.
Speaker 2: That's my question is you said that there was in
Speaker 2: the office, but you didn't probably do extensive search.
Speaker 5: It was small.
Speaker 3: It was a small little.
Speaker 10: File select record and they were gonna find.
Speaker 3: You and yeah, and they didn't like I never seen
Speaker 3: plot Nikki, they didn't want to sign us.
Speaker 5: You know. We were also at the time when the
Speaker 5: Boys were blowing up, so that that was also something
Speaker 5: all these other big labels look like for that white
Speaker 5: group White Seas were like kind of had that Rockete
Speaker 5: and we were not that.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great example because uh, you know
Speaker 2: when we came out, they had no other choice but
Speaker 2: the pis the mob deep. There was no other black
Speaker 2: kids from Queens in that area at the time. So
Speaker 2: it was that something that I want to say, just
Speaker 2: because because they wanted they wanted y'all to be the
Speaker 2: Beastie Boys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And then the thing is like there's been
Speaker 5: this talk like oh Russell got us to fill in
Speaker 5: for the Beastie Boys. We were already signed to we
Speaker 5: were Solos on Rush and even we just signed on
Speaker 5: def Jen after they left. So like I went to
Speaker 5: Leo's wedding, certain the Dominican reports could not go to
Speaker 5: the wedding because he had to work.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I couldn't go to the wedding because
Speaker 3: he didn't invite me to the woman he left.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, he didn't.
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 5: Search was delivering chicken delay no ch Ganada, which was
Speaker 5: called the think Tank.
Speaker 2: It did not have a radio on sar you had
Speaker 2: you had a record deal and you were still delivering.
Speaker 3: So I was yeah. No, I had three job, young artists. No,
Speaker 3: I had three No, I had three jobs. Who's the
Speaker 3: three jobs?
Speaker 1: So the first job was I would drive Yeshiva boys
Speaker 1: from Queen's near you to Yeshiva's in Far Rockaway, so
Speaker 1: very religious Jewish schools.
Speaker 3: I would go from there, I said. I started four
Speaker 3: thirty in the morning. Then I go from there.
Speaker 1: I'd go to the harm and Y in Far Rockaway
Speaker 1: and I drove a truck, a food truck to homeless shelters.
Speaker 1: So I delivered food to homeless shelters all through the
Speaker 1: five boroughs in the twenty six foot of refrigerator. Then
Speaker 1: I'd come back at four point thirty. I'd get about
Speaker 1: a half an hour of sleep, and then I pick
Speaker 1: up the Ahiva boys and I take them back to
Speaker 1: Queen's to be about seven thirty eight, and then we
Speaker 1: go to studio. That was That was my rotation for
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 3: Even when.
Speaker 1: Get the crazy shit. Though, this was the crazy shit.
Speaker 1: So step into the AM is a video. It's out.
Speaker 1: I'm driving a truck in Brooklyn and this dude and
Speaker 1: I'm milk cookies butter crunch. This kid testing goes, ain't
Speaker 1: that you? And I'm like, nah, you know, but there
Speaker 1: was no money we got. I think our advanced was
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars and something like that, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like you know, and half of.
Speaker 3: That went to my mom. But I'm still gonna invite
Speaker 3: you to the wedding. He didn't invite me.
Speaker 1: He might see it differently. I didn't get invited to
Speaker 1: the wedding, no invite. When he went, you got, you got?
Speaker 3: He went he had invited you, he did not. Everybody went.
Speaker 5: It was like if that plane went down, all the
Speaker 5: hip hop would have been on, Yeah, hello, everybody, everybody is.
Speaker 3: Joe. I was not invited to the wedding. I was
Speaker 3: not invited. I always thought, like back in the day,
Speaker 3: like it is.
Speaker 5: What it is.
Speaker 3: I mean again, it's perception, right.
Speaker 1: So I'm a twenty one year old kid and I'm
Speaker 1: already telling you like I'm really not really seeing things, right,
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's just how I saw things. I
Speaker 3: didn't see things right.
Speaker 1: I always said like, oh, ley'all loves Pete Russell loves me,
Speaker 1: Like that's how I always felt, like, oh, because it's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, that's just that was
Speaker 1: your perception of my perception. I felt totally opposite, like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like that, so you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so you know again
Speaker 1: he could have invited me. All I remember is I
Speaker 1: went to the airport, right, I was delivering chicken. I
Speaker 1: got finished delivering my gang. I knew there was something
Speaker 1: and I got them tumble umble and thinking that was crazy?
Speaker 1: Is those days there was no ts A. He walked
Speaker 1: in again. So I'm like Michael barn They're like who.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Michael Barren my ticket and I got the
Speaker 1: mambo and I'm crying in the airport. I'm watching everybody
Speaker 1: getting on the plane.
Speaker 3: With his wife, Simon fucking this one man he's with Rick.
Speaker 3: He left you too. He was like, I'll see you
Speaker 3: with my tan. I'm just showing rush. You know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't it wasn't there something about ll swimming with his
Speaker 3: hat yeah, like, oh, this is such a great story.
Speaker 5: He would go under in the waves and he would
Speaker 5: come up with the kango.
Speaker 3: Oh ship.
Speaker 5: You know you when I say you see him six
Speaker 5: o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: No no, so yeah, no no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no the fishers so what So there was
Speaker 1: supposedly this story that Ecstasy told me, may he rest
Speaker 1: in peace.
Speaker 3: Yes, l goes in the water, the kango comes up.
Speaker 3: That ain't out. So now everybody's going to the yo.
Speaker 1: Else hat because nobody knows what his head looks like.
Speaker 1: No one's seen him without the hat except his passport photo, right,
Speaker 1: So everybody's and this is what John X is telling me.
Speaker 3: Everybody runs to the water.
Speaker 1: Water is crystal clear, and they're looking and they're looking right,
Speaker 1: and they're looking and all of a sudden.
Speaker 12: Hands pull and he comes out commitment about comment that
Speaker 12: alopecia is a bitch.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. This morning the audition, what was it? What
Speaker 3: movie it was?
Speaker 2: Becomes he goes box. Was it crisical or yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just starts performing. That fucking scene is just so like.
Speaker 5: But it was on Legendary, that was on that's the
Speaker 5: time when we came up it was to ninety eight
Speaker 5: Elizabeth that office that was like the center of hip hop,
Speaker 5: and like we go in the office, we're next thceing.
Speaker 5: You know, we're playing their football, We're running thee on.
Speaker 3: That's not where Tom King was at, right, No, he
Speaker 3: was around around the corner. Okay, it was on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the next generation after that next week, you know,
Speaker 2: I speak jealousey.
Speaker 5: Yo, come on me, I gotta find rock him to
Speaker 5: get his passport photo for the Depth Champ during nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty seven.
Speaker 1: Right, you know it was yeah, we were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we would watch Dante's house while he was road managing
Speaker 1: or being rocked him, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like this was like you know it and when you
Speaker 1: when when you teach, or when you educate, or when
Speaker 1: I go and lecture, when you watch kids' eyes when
Speaker 1: you say, okay, I come from a place where there
Speaker 1: was no thing called hip hop, there was no business,
Speaker 1: there was no streaming their eye's. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you become like an artifact, like how did you even survive?
Speaker 3: Right, like how did you even?
Speaker 13: Like you know?
Speaker 1: But it's the truth and Graham mixed the DXT says
Speaker 1: it all the time, he says, you know, we are
Speaker 1: a nameless culture that was given a name a by
Speaker 1: a machine.
Speaker 3: That doesn't even care about as an industry, right, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like the word hip hop came from the rappers the
Speaker 1: Light Record, and somebody wrote about it in the Village
Speaker 1: Voice and called it hip hop or whatever, like there
Speaker 1: was some periodical right.
Speaker 3: Like they had to define it to monetize it correct,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't.
Speaker 5: It was even even more like well wild style of
Speaker 5: the movie came out, they called it the hip Hop Movie.
Speaker 5: It started to spread and it just became known as
Speaker 5: hip hop. And you look on the flyers who looked
Speaker 5: on all the advertisements. It really started to show up
Speaker 5: after eighty three. Look at the first ten years, it
Speaker 5: wasn't even hip hop, wasn't even a thing.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a thing. It was just you were tagging
Speaker 3: on walls, you were dancing on floors, you know, and
Speaker 3: you guys era right, it was almost like.
Speaker 2: Like frowned upon to have a commercial record, a radio record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, being on the radio wasn't the best thing for
Speaker 3: true hip hop artist. You remember that list Out Goes
Speaker 3: the Weasel.
Speaker 5: The record we did was based on that, like we
Speaker 5: got offer commercials right, different things we turned down. We
Speaker 5: cannot do anything just because you didn't want to look
Speaker 5: like you were commercializing.
Speaker 3: Should selling out and the point we would try to
Speaker 3: do records that right, But that was the problem.
Speaker 1: It was it was the problem, and it was the
Speaker 1: point at the same time, because you know, for us
Speaker 1: to go commercial was corny, right, because every executive in
Speaker 1: the room was a cornball. They were all straight bozos,
Speaker 1: so they didn't know anything. So because they didn't know anything,
Speaker 1: how am I going to intercept your bozonees with authenticity
Speaker 1: and still be credible when I go home? Right, Because
Speaker 1: that's the shit I care about, Like, I don't live
Speaker 1: in commercial land.
Speaker 3: I don't live where you live.
Speaker 1: I got to go back to Redfern and o V
Speaker 1: and see my people. So there was no credibility in
Speaker 1: doing that. It's not like today where you know, the
Speaker 1: people that you're now talking in the rooms with grew
Speaker 1: up on fifty years of hip hop.
Speaker 10: But let me be honest, like now, if you're not
Speaker 10: commercial and you're not irrelevant in him honest for me.
Speaker 2: Right after you guys era, it was a time where
Speaker 2: like NAS was the most loved kid in the world,
Speaker 2: right love person in the world, right love man in
Speaker 2: the world, whatever we want to say.
Speaker 3: And then he came with that album.
Speaker 10: I believe it was written right after it was written
Speaker 10: the golden album Nomadic Illmatic, where a lot of people
Speaker 10: say he he might have made money, might have changed
Speaker 10: his life, might have got him out of the hood,
Speaker 10: but it wasn't that level of success.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a commercial success. It wasn't the commercial success.
Speaker 2: So people will argue you, like dam that took away
Speaker 2: from Knas, But some people will argue like that made
Speaker 2: actually the perfect foundation.
Speaker 3: So I would so Win Win has hip hop? When
Speaker 3: when did that ever?
Speaker 2: Because even Wu Tang, like Wu Tang's first album, I
Speaker 2: listened to that ship and if you go look at
Speaker 2: the algorithms of the album, at least seven or eight
Speaker 2: records were on the radio. They weren't promoted, but they
Speaker 2: were on the radio, and that was the algorithm at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: So when didn't hip hop? When when did it come from?
Speaker 3: You being underground?
Speaker 2: But if your record happens to go commercial, it was
Speaker 2: still accepted. So I'll share two stories. Was a great question,
Speaker 2: by the way, this is a good question. You got
Speaker 2: too pioneers. This is that's honestly something I want to
Speaker 2: know because so I.
Speaker 1: Don't know that, right, So I can I can share
Speaker 1: two like practical points when we were talking about when
Speaker 1: I came to you and did.
Speaker 2: The public inemy public Inemy records was always underground, but
Speaker 2: they were they were they were selling to the people.
Speaker 2: It seemed like they were distant almost yeah no, yeah,
Speaker 2: And they were selling in Europe with the entire audience.
Speaker 5: So you have a bike planet the entire audience is white.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I was doing consulting for Nike in nineteen ninety three, right.
Speaker 1: I was working with a guy named Mark Ray and
Speaker 1: a woman named Kim White. And I played them a
Speaker 1: record where NA said I'm a Nike head. I would
Speaker 1: change that excite them, right, And I said to it
Speaker 1: in point blank, you should probably give me like fifty
Speaker 1: bands right now this for this mention, because I promise
Speaker 1: you what's going to happen is as soon as every
Speaker 1: kid in Queen's here's this, They're going to hang up
Speaker 1: their tims and go by Nikes. Right. And I was
Speaker 1: able to get them a check wow, right, just because
Speaker 1: I was consulting them and they believed me. But what
Speaker 1: I did was when I started working with Mark Echo
Speaker 1: and Echo Unlimited Market. So you know, you know it's
Speaker 1: funny you talk about, you know, anniversaries. This is the
Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary of Echo, right, you know when we started it,
Speaker 1: Mark always had this philosophy of like, okay, we have
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: Natural integration, but commercialize it.
Speaker 1: Right, So we were talking about like when I did
Speaker 1: the CNN Michael, we went to the building because I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: where do you smoke?
Speaker 3: Where do y'all go hang out and smoke? Is that
Speaker 3: what we go to? So rushat and everything was.
Speaker 1: Grainy and it looked like we captured and when we dipped,
Speaker 1: when I shot Prodigy made Recipes and mob Deep, they
Speaker 1: were on the forty side of Vernet, hanging off on
Speaker 1: the bench, you know.
Speaker 3: So it was about having.
Speaker 1: Those voices in the room that could say, this is
Speaker 1: what's credible, this is what's real, this is what feels
Speaker 1: real because it is real.
Speaker 3: And we're talking to the artists because we're not coming
Speaker 3: up with some.
Speaker 1: Catchphraset a bunch of people, right, so like all the catchphrases,
Speaker 1: Like me and Buster were talking about it. When we
Speaker 1: did his it was him and his son to Zaia,
Speaker 1: who's now thirty something, right, and he his son had
Speaker 1: to go use the bathroom and were like, do you
Speaker 1: want to go with to Zaia, He's like, now, let
Speaker 1: him pull his pants down, he'll figure it out. I
Speaker 1: was like, that's the quote, and that was the quote.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like because it was real
Speaker 1: to what he was experiencing while he was in the clothes,
Speaker 1: while he was wearing the clothes. That was what was
Speaker 1: missing for me and Pete's era in ninety one. That's
Speaker 1: why we couldn't do Kentucky Fried Chicken ass.
Speaker 3: That's what we.
Speaker 1: Couldn't do because there was no one in there that
Speaker 1: we could correlate our realness, our authenticity and then have
Speaker 1: that become an eco siloed fucking no this zero. But
Speaker 1: when that goal would gravitate everybody that go is real.
Speaker 1: They got the real dudes, They got the real dog
Speaker 1: in retro aspect, right, and the bag was real like
Speaker 1: the bag that I was saying living in that time, right,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: It was kind of crazy to say that we got
Speaker 2: messed up contracts, but let's not take these this money
Speaker 2: from over here, because we'll be corny for taking that
Speaker 2: money over there are we.
Speaker 3: Saying that we didn't care about our family? Know what
Speaker 3: we're saying.
Speaker 2: No, But but listen, if you say because you say
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, they always say that Michael Jordan had one
Speaker 2: of the least powerful contracts in the NBA.
Speaker 3: But he went he all his money through Nike and.
Speaker 2: All this other ship, so he had a chance to
Speaker 2: hire good players around him. So what I'm saying is,
Speaker 2: back then, if all concerts were so fucked up back then,
Speaker 2: why was it fucked up for us to make it
Speaker 2: somewhere else?
Speaker 3: That's you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And the answer is because you would have been so
Speaker 1: fucked up that your credibility would have been fucked up.
Speaker 3: But even though it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: If nobody somebody, if somebody is a cornball, and one
Speaker 1: thing about you, right right, if somebody is a cornball,
Speaker 1: you fucking with them.
Speaker 2: And if somebody's a cornball and birdman, they co signed
Speaker 2: Lugs and they still survived.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think that bad was that serious.
Speaker 3: But they add was that serious.
Speaker 2: Nobody listened to them, but nobody fucked with Ugs, and
Speaker 2: nobody was like fucked with Ugs regardless, Like no one
Speaker 2: went out and fucked with Uggs like lugs whatever they
Speaker 2: call nobody.
Speaker 1: Nobody fucked with it because that shi was for Gayzy
Speaker 1: and everybody knew it was a badground.
Speaker 5: Remember when they wanted us to be on Beverly Hills
Speaker 5: nine o two on Donnie Aner and Tommy Mottola were begging.
Speaker 3: Us, I would they should be so great.
Speaker 5: Episode where the whole that whole crew of kids goes
Speaker 5: to what depends what the scene and there's a band
Speaker 5: playing where the band and one of the kids gets
Speaker 5: slipped to Mickey. They get Mickey ospital or whatever whatever,
Speaker 5: and sure enough the group gets involved in the whole
Speaker 5: like it's the Scooby Doo episode or whatever.
Speaker 1: Drunks are bad, but we were just like listen, we
Speaker 1: would have been class hons in.
Speaker 3: Hindsight later I'm gonna be. But I can see it
Speaker 3: doesn't like you if you wouldn't understand was I was
Speaker 3: the whole era. I know, I know what you're saying,
Speaker 3: and I know back then that's what Warranton is about.
Speaker 1: This glory how about this? We go in for a
Speaker 1: reading from Malcolm X Okay, me and Pete that was
Speaker 1: gonna be a Malcolm.
Speaker 3: X Spike, I'm about to do so going on me, I'm.
Speaker 1: So we get in Sam Jackson is dare he's reading
Speaker 1: with us in Spike and we get the sides and
Speaker 1: it's c O one CEO two, and he wants us
Speaker 1: to read.
Speaker 3: When they asked Malcolm Little his numbers and when he
Speaker 3: didn't give his red red in jails, Malcolm Little real
Speaker 3: name like little saying saying, and he kills it. He
Speaker 3: like kills the.
Speaker 1: Reading and Sam's nah and and and and I'm not
Speaker 1: really killed it. And then Pe just goes really.
Speaker 3: Like, this is what you want us to do? Really?
Speaker 5: And I was like, do you walk into a movie there?
Speaker 5: You see third dase.
Speaker 3: I was acting acting acting. I can see that it
Speaker 3: is active, but hold taking that? You know, how would
Speaker 3: the hood taking that hood taking describe.
Speaker 2: Wout'll y'all describe it? And this is real talk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: error was too hardcore.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: It's true yea, but you know nothing you can about that.
Speaker 3: My generation half real just.
Speaker 10: Kept them.
Speaker 3: Why it's true. It's true. Like what you're saying right
Speaker 3: now was.
Speaker 2: Like, yo, you know what the hood, the respect, the look,
Speaker 2: it's more important.
Speaker 1: My boys would actually vegutory something. Yeah, of course, even
Speaker 1: said to the Spike, I said, Spike, when was the
Speaker 1: last time somebody asked you to play a show for
Speaker 1: in a movie? And then we placed and we rock
Speaker 1: and I said, and then you know, I did Bamboozoo,
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand and had a better look.
Speaker 14: But like it was, it would have been horrible for us. Yeah,
Speaker 14: it would have been horrible. That would like, yo, would
Speaker 14: have been like nickname. He just looked at me, just
Speaker 14: still upset about it.
Speaker 3: He was upset. I can't understand.
Speaker 2: I can understand because an acting everything is warranty, right, right, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, So I can understand it.
Speaker 3: But on the street people take that shit.
Speaker 1: Thespians trying to just do this right, and it wound
Speaker 1: up being to Thespians and it got two actors and
Speaker 1: who knows who they are, and nobody cared.
Speaker 5: But if it was us, right, yeah, that's a serious subject.
Speaker 3: Let me really serious.
Speaker 5: Let me see.
Speaker 1: Because I even said to him, because I read at
Speaker 1: that time, I was reading Malcolm X at least once
Speaker 1: a year. I said, Yo, there's that scene in Colombia
Speaker 1: when the student walks up to Malcolm and he's going
Speaker 1: to do the thing. He says, Yo, I don't have
Speaker 1: a racist bone in my body. And even though I'm white,
Speaker 1: isn't there anything I can do? When Malcolm looks at
Speaker 1: her and goes no and keeps moving, I said, why
Speaker 1: can't he close to Columbia?
Speaker 3: Like, Yo, why can't we do that role? Like it's
Speaker 3: fucking authentic. He fucking graduated Magnicum louder degree in English.
Speaker 3: Let them other do that. Now, that's real. But acting
Speaker 3: is whatever so real? Like everything was real, even Belly.
Speaker 3: I remember when not Belly people were really thinking he was.
Speaker 3: People were asking me, when's your man getting out? I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm from where where was he hitting from?
Speaker 2: In retrospect, this is something that I know, Uh, you're
Speaker 2: close to is I believe when it comes to acting
Speaker 2: and people sticking with those roles that they categorized ass
Speaker 2: I believe Bishop was the one, oh Tupac, Like I don't.
Speaker 2: I believe both of you guys know Tupac. I've never
Speaker 2: met Tupac. Right before that, people said he became.
Speaker 5: We heard it because Rich Daddy Rich was in juice
Speaker 5: with him and saw the transformation from when we were
Speaker 5: on tour, Like we.
Speaker 3: Tupac used to come in my Digital underground. He was
Speaker 3: with Digital, he was dancing. You would just come in
Speaker 3: the room. He would free style.
Speaker 5: Two us trying to get it. He's trying to like,
Speaker 5: what what do you think?
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's all right, you know, and base and
Speaker 5: he he's actually walking up to Rich and saying, you're Rich,
Speaker 5: Can I help you carry your cases?
Speaker 3: You need you help? Yeah.
Speaker 5: We we bought him whoppers everything. He was such a
Speaker 5: good dude though, like you was a good dude.
Speaker 1: Like and we would be on the road and you know,
Speaker 1: Shock g ma Res and Pece and me, like he
Speaker 1: would just play the keys and we would freestyle damn
Speaker 1: it all night, this off the top of our head
Speaker 1: about how much we loved each other, how much we
Speaker 1: loved where we were at, how much we love how
Speaker 1: we were moving, you know, and and it was just
Speaker 1: it was family.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's really like a family, like you know, we play
Speaker 1: pool with Queen Latifa and Mooney, or we'd work.
Speaker 3: Out with this one. It's really a family.
Speaker 10: But that kind of the moral of this whole story
Speaker 10: is that back then it was like a small community
Speaker 10: and doing certain things would kind of exile you from
Speaker 10: that community.
Speaker 3: But back to what he saying.
Speaker 5: So Tupac once we want a conversation, told me about
Speaker 5: his mom, and I see that he had like these
Speaker 5: friendship bracelets and like a silver bracelet and just like
Speaker 5: a little silver chain with a little silver madown. He's like,
Speaker 5: you never wear gold. Tells the whole story about the
Speaker 5: gold trade, and so he's in Jews. Rich reports back
Speaker 5: to us, like I think Tupac thinks he's this character,
Speaker 5: like he saw it right in from his face. So
Speaker 5: we do this show and uh, I think it was
Speaker 5: a Gavin at the Townsend. And we walked to the
Speaker 5: side stage and who's standing there in the corner with
Speaker 5: this big dookie cable on with the big gold medallion. No, no,
Speaker 5: like Brenda got a baby. We clowned him and he
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, he was pissed.
Speaker 3: Man. Like we were like, yo, whatever going on, homie? Yeah,
Speaker 3: slave man? You know, yeah, that's all that.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Like we were all young,
Speaker 1: like we were all really young, like making thank you,
Speaker 1: we were making adult decisions as children, like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I think about like the decisions
Speaker 1: I made about the demise of our partnership at twenty
Speaker 1: three years old, Like I got kids, you know, my
Speaker 1: kids at thirty, twenty and twenty seven, Like, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine my kids at twenty three making the decisions.
Speaker 3: That I was making. I was, I was just not
Speaker 3: capable of making those decisions.
Speaker 5: Real talk, you got something to say, I'll just say,
Speaker 5: like when we get Daddy Richard here, he'll you can
Speaker 5: go one up with that two punk story.
Speaker 3: He was in the battle scene.
Speaker 5: You know, rich rich was right on the set and
Speaker 5: he's got a good perspective on that.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 10: I think when we talk about whether it be pop
Speaker 10: or big, we we talk about them now as if
Speaker 10: like if they were older, not remembering that these were
Speaker 10: young men, really young men, yeah, doing what they were
Speaker 10: doing and making the mistakes that young people do, right,
Speaker 10: but we're trying to bring them to our age now
Speaker 10: like oh that was fucked though they did this and
Speaker 10: expect you know.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about what like Wallow did with
Speaker 1: Kodak Black and what Wallow did with Thugs. Like you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain people that are in the podcast space right
Speaker 1: that really take it upon themselves to like understand like
Speaker 1: if we're going to really uplift this next generation of
Speaker 1: kids that are really getting money, like insane amounts of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to start to level the playing field in
Speaker 1: terms of what they understand about commerces, what they understand
Speaker 1: about not just being a brand, but what they understand
Speaker 1: about brand responsibility, brand focus, brand vision, you know, really
Speaker 1: bringing them into a level of conversation that they'll they'll
Speaker 1: get because if they don't, they'll find themselves already five
Speaker 1: and broke.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's up. Yeah, Thomas.
Speaker 10: Before we get into that, I want to ask you
Speaker 10: going back a little bit the Beastie Boys, what was
Speaker 10: the rift there?
Speaker 3: I'll start.
Speaker 5: You want to start one Riff was my best friends
Speaker 5: in college. My roommate, he wrote sake he went to
Speaker 5: school with Mike d and my other boy Mike and
Speaker 5: uh Ad Rock went to school with that boy and
Speaker 5: she disagreed to a killy and uh m c A
Speaker 5: went to school with all of the men, even when
Speaker 5: playma school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: They always looked at them as like, you know, you're
Speaker 5: coming up, you're a white kid in Brooklyn whatever, you know,
Speaker 5: the kids who were down with hip hop. Basically they're
Speaker 5: saying like they were not down with hip hop when
Speaker 5: they were down with hip hop.
Speaker 3: So it was it was like yo, those kids because
Speaker 3: they came to a punk sy, but the punksy came
Speaker 3: up together.
Speaker 5: Well that's if you told to me and search about
Speaker 5: the punk Sy, we could tell you anything.
Speaker 3: About the punk sea correct were. But that's just like, no,
Speaker 3: it doesn't boy boy, one guy who was in both things.
Speaker 1: But the kids like like like there was a guy
Speaker 1: named Dave Skilkin, May rest in peace. He was there
Speaker 1: like their guy, like there was two people captain, yeah,
Speaker 1: may rest in peace. And that's the sucky thing about
Speaker 1: doing this at fifty seven is how many people you
Speaker 1: gotta bless right, which is another reason.
Speaker 3: Why we're sitting here today.
Speaker 1: So the whole thing, at least my side, was I
Speaker 1: really didn't understand how Russell was moving with our contract.
Speaker 1: And Russell was living in Barrow Street at the time.
Speaker 1: Right up the block was Mike D's apartment, and Mike
Speaker 1: D was with this kid showing the Captain karasof who
Speaker 1: was there manager May rest in peace. And I was
Speaker 1: so frustrated, I said, fuck it, I'm knock on Mike
Speaker 1: D's doing.
Speaker 3: Just ask them see how.
Speaker 5: Because this is the famous blogoney story?
Speaker 3: Is this?
Speaker 5: Is this the bloney story ane story?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I don't know. I don't know what that bologna,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna find out. So I went upstairs.
Speaker 1: So I went upstairs to his apartment. Sean's knocked down
Speaker 1: on the on the sofa. I go to speak to Mike.
Speaker 1: They had just left Deaf Jaine and they just signed
Speaker 1: their deal a Capital, and I said, hey, man, like
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what the fuck is going on, Like,
Speaker 1: help me understand, like how Russell moves?
Speaker 3: We got this deal? Who are you talking to again?
Speaker 5: Sorry, Mike d Okay, let's just salute Mike d here
Speaker 5: yes being the richest person because he saw his mother's
Speaker 5: art collection for like five hundred million. Get hurricane Man,
Speaker 5: Hurricane many.
Speaker 1: So so I go to ask him these questions and
Speaker 1: we're having like a real conversation. He's like, yo, you know,
Speaker 1: be careful with this, be careful with that. You know
Speaker 1: you might want to.
Speaker 3: Check with this, check your lawyer about that. As I'm leaving,
Speaker 3: I turned a safe peace. He starts throwing ship at
Speaker 3: me like a rubber ducky.
Speaker 5: Iought he was a piece of bloney, was throwing a rubber.
Speaker 3: Ducky at me and showing all of a sudden wakes up.
Speaker 3: He throws a cheeto at me, and I'm like, and
Speaker 3: I'm like and they're laughing. So I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: dare whatever, and I left.
Speaker 1: And then fast forward and Spin magazine there's this article
Speaker 1: and they asked the guys about third base and Mike says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Search Like he came to my crib, I
Speaker 1: threw ship at him. I was like, oh, fuck you,
Speaker 1: it's on. So we were in the studio and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, son's a third base, it's on. Fuck you,
Speaker 1: fuck y'all. I'm gonna son you, fuck y'all.
Speaker 5: And that Sam Subver took me to a spot where
Speaker 5: his barber was and like ed Rod walked in with
Speaker 5: that actress that he was with the time. Be Nice
Speaker 5: was saying that he didn't do anything. He became his thing.
Speaker 5: But I mean we were on death Gym. Well we
Speaker 5: weren't on deaf Jair. We were just on rush at
Speaker 5: the exact same time that they were still signing and everything.
Speaker 5: So that time of Leo's wedding, they were still on
Speaker 5: death Jam.
Speaker 3: That's when.
Speaker 5: That's when Lee or lew York kind of took over
Speaker 5: Grub and left, and that's when the VC.
Speaker 3: Boys left, right at the same time he went to
Speaker 3: Capitol while yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Well actually they went nowhere for a while and then
Speaker 5: because they had to get off the deal, like three
Speaker 5: or four years to get off the deal.
Speaker 3: It seems like when they when.
Speaker 5: They said they had tapes of Russell doing something in
Speaker 5: the back of h C, I said, he had a
Speaker 5: VHS tape, but Russell in the back of a.
Speaker 3: Bus, and that deal just got settled real quick.
Speaker 5: And the in New Music Express that's not like secret,
Speaker 5: it's like writing an interview.
Speaker 3: Was he kidding? I don't know. That's there a lot
Speaker 3: of tapes flying right, a lot of tape. I was like, QuickTime, listen,
Speaker 3: those are some mid tours. But did you guys ever.
Speaker 1: This questioned, Actually, when their book came out, they asked
Speaker 1: me to do that section of the book. They asked
Speaker 1: me to do the audio and me and when I
Speaker 1: had I had a syndicated show called The Old School
Speaker 1: Show and MCA had produced a documentary called Gunning for
Speaker 1: the Number One Spot, which trussed about like AU basketball,
Speaker 1: and I interviewed him and when they Peace about a
Speaker 1: year before he died.
Speaker 3: So it was really cool because we got to talk
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: And the thing that was real funny was as we
Speaker 1: were closing it out, I told him how I felt
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 3: He said thanks. I said, Now we're going to end
Speaker 3: the show with Sons of the Third Base.
Speaker 1: He's like, no playing because they had a silly Professor
Speaker 1: record that was their disc record and.
Speaker 3: He's like the So he was like, no, you better
Speaker 3: play that ship. So yeah, so it favorite songs to perform.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, Professor, there is a Professor the dis record?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 13: Is it like that?
Speaker 2: Like you know, Kevin Hard and these people always accused
Speaker 2: like there can't be one black actor at one time?
Speaker 3: Is it like that in the white world?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 1: Definitely when us when we were coming up, the actually,
Speaker 1: whether it was only today, would be one DJ do
Speaker 1: the worst of the label dude who gets.
Speaker 5: A coffee is in hip hop it's a chip on
Speaker 5: the shoulder because there that's.
Speaker 3: There can only be one. There can only be one.
Speaker 1: Only nineteen eighty nine, I would say, from nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: damn near the nine to two thousand, it can only
Speaker 1: be one.
Speaker 3: Can we describe from that era? From the White Wrapper.
Speaker 5: See you gotta go back to listen, Yeah, go back
Speaker 5: when and me and Vanilla B probably the only three.
Speaker 5: Like I got a picture of Search at Prospect Park
Speaker 5: that with Paradise on stage, Rock Kim's first show where
Speaker 5: he's got a pair of tight shorts, socks all the
Speaker 5: way up, ready to do angles.
Speaker 3: And on stage Rock Kim is before his March show
Speaker 3: went to vine House. That's wow.
Speaker 5: But like we were, he was down with Tony d
Speaker 5: and the Bad Boys, you know Lamumba Professor X was
Speaker 5: my first manager. Like I was down with this group
Speaker 5: Sinking where we were with Dana Dane as parts. So
Speaker 5: we were like at the same time the VC boys
Speaker 5: were actually blowing up. Yeah, we were kind of like
Speaker 5: more on that underground scene and we were like me
Speaker 5: and so she used to do for twenty five bucks
Speaker 5: fifty bucks. We'd announced show, Dax said, Hotel Amazon Amazon
Speaker 5: to positive. We introduced Rob Base first Rob first show,
Speaker 5: every Rock.
Speaker 3: Who Mark Kemp was the DJ may rest In piece,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I mean like like that.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 3: We were like like people would always say, like who
Speaker 3: the fuck are those guys?
Speaker 1: Like we would get into everything, like like there the
Speaker 1: batties outside of the Red Parrot.
Speaker 3: We'd walk by past them like who the boys?
Speaker 5: We never record out and so I just like, yo,
Speaker 5: We're going to Devonport, Iowa with King's son. Next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, we're on a vand yeah, I went to Devonport,
Speaker 5: Iowa King Son and his crew.
Speaker 3: And it was showing a flood zone. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we would just move around.
Speaker 1: We were always moving around because people coming up that time,
Speaker 1: they knew that we weren't trying to like.
Speaker 3: Appropriate the culture.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Pete had a dope ass radio show, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it was dope, like they played real
Speaker 1: ship and you know, I had promos on Red Alert.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 5: The highlight of my career and Rich Daddy Rich's career
Speaker 5: was when Red Alert played the promo that we made
Speaker 5: for him about the radio show, and it was played
Speaker 5: in between the Public Enemy and the Jungle Brothers promo.
Speaker 1: We were like the promod like that when you were
Speaker 1: when you heard a promo, Yeah, the search is always getting.
Speaker 3: Yo. It was like you were the most famous mother fucker.
Speaker 1: And they would just say to me, I would get
Speaker 1: fifty dollars for people to just have me go to
Speaker 1: shows and get.
Speaker 3: Dished getting Wait what, I don't get this. No, It's just.
Speaker 1: Like I had a record called hey Boy and like
Speaker 1: and I like so my promo was like hey Boy,
Speaker 1: like hey Boy, and I'd be like, Yo, what a baby,
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, I'm not telling you.
Speaker 3: I'm about Red Alert and I'd be like, damn, Search
Speaker 3: is always getting Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was self deprecating, but at the same time, like
Speaker 5: a shout out to Red Alert because I'm God Alert
Speaker 5: me my first lawyer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like unbelievable. That's how me and Chris Lighting met,
Speaker 3: called Chris Lighting Rest in Peace. Yo.
Speaker 1: We used to carry red S crates. So at this
Speaker 1: time Chris had a white maximum right because he was
Speaker 1: moving going back and forth see his dad in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: So we moved back and forth from Baltimore right, and
Speaker 1: he would have REDS crates. We would go to kiss,
Speaker 1: he would put the record, put his crates in the maximum,
Speaker 1: and then we go to the Latin Quarter. Me and
Speaker 1: Search met at the Latin Quarter. I was LB, We're
Speaker 1: standing in front of Latin Quarter. This Lincoln Town car
Speaker 1: pulls up the Search pop out.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: He had some sort of it was either a shirt
Speaker 5: kings or like an acid washed bedazzled Yeah, yeah, I know, like.
Speaker 3: With with like a Rtstone thing.
Speaker 1: Was it that?
Speaker 3: So I had two I had two shirt kings. One
Speaker 3: one was was me my face that said hey boy
Speaker 3: on it that I would you know, and that come
Speaker 3: the promo. I think about that one. So, and I
Speaker 3: was going to a show I was. I was performing
Speaker 3: at night July eighty six. He was before the Flyer, right,
Speaker 3: he was Tony D.
Speaker 1: So Tony D got me an executive like a town car,
Speaker 1: like a local car from Brooklyn to bring me this show.
Speaker 5: And so me and Blake are standing in front, sears
Speaker 5: popping out. Now Blake went to high school with him.
Speaker 5: I had just heard wreck Search's record. Heard he was
Speaker 5: a white guy. I had a record on p Fine.
Speaker 3: It was like wow.
Speaker 5: I saw Melissa that he had out and I was like, man,
Speaker 5: this motherfucker beat me to it. And you know, I'm
Speaker 5: with Blake. We had this group called the Servant Generals
Speaker 5: at the time. Search comes out, Yo, Pete Searcher give
Speaker 5: him pound and he just kind of like says all
Speaker 5: right and just just walk was getting ready to go down.
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't dance. It's dance battle everybody, and.
Speaker 5: This goes on the white boy on the shoulder. Years later,
Speaker 5: I get a call from Blake out of nowhere. I
Speaker 5: haven't I talked to him for years, Like yo, feet
Speaker 5: Search was just on this thing. He said that me
Speaker 5: and you were waiting outside of the l Q because
Speaker 5: we could not get in and he had to get
Speaker 5: us in. He didn't get us in. We always got in.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yes, Blake, we always got in. Why is
Speaker 5: this bothering you so much? So? But that was just
Speaker 5: the type of thing where, you know, we that's the
Speaker 5: first time we ever met. And then obviously you know
Speaker 5: by the time we would go. We went to Red
Speaker 5: Aler's birthday party. Search me and Search went the Green
Speaker 5: Acres mall Red Birthday and got him. Look wait wait wait,
Speaker 5: we got to know so searchs like, yo, get the
Speaker 5: frosted mug, yep with the with the hatching on it.
Speaker 5: Happy if you've learned to have you DJ Redler gets it,
Speaker 5: wraps it up and everything.
Speaker 3: But he was fifty back then. No no, no, it's
Speaker 3: the no no no. I was telling him, O, yo,
Speaker 3: we got to get some special that he'll always remember.
Speaker 1: So it was his fifth anniversary fifty and I said
Speaker 1: fifth anniversary, Red, And I think it costs like twenty
Speaker 1: five bucks.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of It was a lot for us.
Speaker 3: So we will be going to l Q.
Speaker 5: Comes up, Reds on stage, searches like, makes a big presentation,
Speaker 5: walks up, gives it to him. But it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: thank you. Search Chris Rock, who's doing the stand up
Speaker 5: and intros, He's like.
Speaker 3: Yo, search, where'd you get that? At Greenacre Malls?
Speaker 5: Twenty five dollars? And everybody lost all and everybody out
Speaker 5: you up? Yeah, but I mean it was it was
Speaker 5: a thought that kind of Red loved it. But I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that that's where, you know, Chris Rock
Speaker 5: is doing the you know, the intros again. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, but that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Like. It was, you know, it's really hard to explain
Speaker 1: to people that there was I have a homegirl named
Speaker 1: Shelby who used to work for like Electra and everything.
Speaker 3: She's like a PR person.
Speaker 1: She really succinctly nailed this. There's so many people culturally
Speaker 1: that like, like Nick Quested, who just did this amazing documentary,
Speaker 1: Crazy crazy, Crazy Infiltrated. It's crazy to you, Nick question,
Speaker 1: I say, I'm quested dance with me and Bobbido and
Speaker 1: Nick's fucking and Bob's apartment on fourteenth Street.
Speaker 3: We were break dancing b boy in and.
Speaker 5: He's got all the good pictures he took.
Speaker 3: He won an Academy award.
Speaker 1: Like yo, she said, Yo, we were just some kids
Speaker 1: bugging out. We had no idea how we were going
Speaker 1: to impact culture. We were just some kids bugging out.
Speaker 1: We were kids from New York. We just run the street.
Speaker 1: Now we run culture. Like kids that tagged they fucking
Speaker 1: curate the Louver, kids that fucking went to Columbia curate
Speaker 1: the Hip Hop Museum. Started out as my barber on
Speaker 1: ninety sixth Street, Like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: he's a curator of basketball culture around the world. Like
Speaker 1: all of us come from this fucking era of just
Speaker 1: some kids bugging out. Norri was fucking and fucking Iraq.
Speaker 1: We're just some kids bugging out.
Speaker 5: And by the way, let's give it up to yes
Speaker 5: the clippery.
Speaker 3: And sub rocks.
Speaker 1: But that's you know, she really hit it, like we
Speaker 1: were just some kids bugging out, and we went from
Speaker 1: standing what we were doing to be really understanding how
Speaker 1: it can make a living for our family doing what
Speaker 1: we continue to do, right, you know, like and I
Speaker 1: and I've said this to you a million times. And
Speaker 1: I took him on the road and he went to
Speaker 1: radio stations. I mean it was so fucking disrespectful, bro,
Speaker 1: Like he would be on the morning show. Leave the
Speaker 1: morning show, the program director operations, manage to go?
Speaker 3: Does he want to do mornings? Your morning shows? Right here?
Speaker 3: Like why are you he don't want to do what?
Speaker 3: He's already in the van asking either we want to
Speaker 3: go to the next spotcast? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you could see, you could just see the elevation,
Speaker 1: like you could see and we were just some fucking
Speaker 1: kids bugging out in New York having a good time
Speaker 1: doing what we love to do.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I remember telling Russell when this album
Speaker 3: was gonna drop, all I cared about there were three
Speaker 3: records stores in far Rockaway and won the Rockaway Park.
Speaker 1: I just cared about those those stores selling out the record.
Speaker 1: And He's like, well, I care about it a whole
Speaker 1: lot more than you do. I want to sell a
Speaker 1: whole lot more records than you do.
Speaker 10: Trust me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I just I need my hood just
Speaker 3: I need just sold out my hood.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you, right, because it's something that
Speaker 2: I can't like. You know, I'm Puerto Rican, right, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be prepared to to the Puerto Ricans for the.
Speaker 3: Rest of my life. Right.
Speaker 2: It does not matter like I don't care, you don't
Speaker 2: grow out of it. And it's not saying the fact
Speaker 2: that they say, oh, you're nice for a Puerto Rican.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I'm sure you get that.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like you know how they
Speaker 3: said up like, oh you're nice.
Speaker 2: But there was a whole era of like that white
Speaker 2: genre of music, right right, Beastie Boys And when does
Speaker 2: where does that start? You said in eighty nine because
Speaker 2: I believe you said something and that you said it
Speaker 2: is before that.
Speaker 5: Well they blew up in eighty six, I mean was
Speaker 5: in White Boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were signed a select to me, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you at least to me again my perspective. Yes, everlast
Speaker 1: who was in House of Pain was part of rhyme
Speaker 1: syndicate signed like crack Whip. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Bash get drunk, yo, And while I begetting drunk with
Speaker 1: that Bible of Rose not keeping my trunk like yo, he.
Speaker 10: He was nice, wasn't he? Was he dating Carmen Electro
Speaker 10: back thenism he had her in the video zone.
Speaker 3: That was that was earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was like this was earlier, so like
Speaker 1: so then he was he was there, then we were there,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden there were like iterations
Speaker 1: of third base like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: big Men on Campus got signed to select.
Speaker 3: Shuck milkhonebone the problem.
Speaker 1: So here's the problem with milkpone and this again my
Speaker 1: personal You're right, Milkphone was nice.
Speaker 3: His name wasn't nice. His name was because he was
Speaker 3: down with naughty by nature, like for somebody didn't even
Speaker 3: know that he was. So he was like that. So
Speaker 3: like Cypress Hill.
Speaker 1: Had the Hooligans, which is out Scott with Scott com
Speaker 1: an alchemist right, like all of a sudden, every Alchemist
Speaker 1: and every so every group had to have one, like
Speaker 1: every dre had m So now every black dope artist.
Speaker 3: Had to have one, like I gotta find a white
Speaker 3: boy like everybody. You think it was that thought out,
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 1: When I when I did right after I did O C,
Speaker 1: after I made the OC album work life and all
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, fucking toms yo. That album word Life an yo.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So right after that we put together nonfiction, right,
Speaker 1: so it'll bill clips, a box go text. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget what David Geffen and Wendy Goldberg said to me.
Speaker 1: They said, I don't need this group to be underground.
Speaker 1: I need this group to get with Dre and be
Speaker 1: the next sh next.
Speaker 3: That's the pain.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, they're the hip hop Ramones. I
Speaker 1: said this in ninety six. I said, they're the hip
Speaker 1: hop Ramones. They're never going to need a hit record,
Speaker 1: and they're going to tour for the rest of their
Speaker 1: fucking life. And you have to figure out how to
Speaker 1: monetize the records because we're going to monetize their career.
Speaker 3: You figured that shit out.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to fucking do what you do
Speaker 1: on the alternative hip hop side, but they're the hip
Speaker 1: hop ramones.
Speaker 3: Be clear what labels? They weren't a major, Yeah, so
Speaker 3: what we adomination?
Speaker 1: So how we did it was we had them on
Speaker 1: a major, but we put out records independently through fab Beats, right,
Speaker 1: So that's Eli is Christ and all of that. That
Speaker 1: was still Geffen, but we were treating it like an indie,
Speaker 1: but Geffen was funding everything.
Speaker 10: Oh wow, that's early because that ended up happening a
Speaker 10: lot later on exactly right.
Speaker 1: That was the first time that a major label allowed
Speaker 1: an incubator program to happen. And thirty years later, thank goodness,
Speaker 1: Nonfiction and is still touring and they are the Ramones
Speaker 1: of hip.
Speaker 3: Hop, like they will tour forever. Was company floorredy Out, No,
Speaker 3: they came after.
Speaker 2: So they didn't let's name Uh then okay, didn't eminem
Speaker 2: have like, but we've got bubble sparks.
Speaker 3: That's not forget bubble later?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, because like with N Too Deep, like
Speaker 1: N Too Deep, how to pretend not to be Latin
Speaker 1: because you know, lighter shade around, they had to pretend
Speaker 1: not to be Latino because there was no category.
Speaker 10: If you're a kid frost, you're told, oh my god,
Speaker 10: your head would explode, ruthless.
Speaker 3: You like you know what I'm saying. I I met.
Speaker 1: I had a group and I hope they're watching. They
Speaker 1: were from South America called they had a record Sounds
Speaker 1: that they somebody else Yo.
Speaker 3: This record is.
Speaker 1: Called WAW And all that record was was the noise
Speaker 1: that the pistol made in the club. Your head ducks down.
Speaker 1: In Spanish, they said the head ducks down because the pistols.
Speaker 1: I was, did you get these motherfucker's a deal to
Speaker 1: save my life? I couldn't get him a deal to say,
Speaker 1: but see if they I still listen to the ship
Speaker 1: to this day.
Speaker 3: That record was fire.
Speaker 5: I had this kick Cage who in his demo for
Speaker 5: Faith Newman said he was going to catch a Sony
Speaker 5: exactly hit the thought off in his.
Speaker 3: Chest, you know, so like he was not getting signed.
Speaker 3: He was kind of like and he had bet for Eminem.
Speaker 3: I guess they bad a little bit, but he was
Speaker 3: kind of like.
Speaker 5: A version of Eminem before Eminem could be, you know,
Speaker 5: decipher them with dre You know.
Speaker 3: Here's a trivia question because hold, let me say something.
Speaker 3: It seems like.
Speaker 2: This is obviously me outside looking at the inside of
Speaker 2: looking out, But it seems like once that person is
Speaker 2: at the top, it's like all of they go at
Speaker 2: the top like they want to they want an Eminem spot.
Speaker 2: Like I remember one year it was I felt like Eminem.
Speaker 2: It felt like whoever got hot like Eminem had to
Speaker 2: like shut them down. But it felt like they were
Speaker 2: attacking it. No, I mean, but them was attacking He said, what,
Speaker 2: I'm nicer than Pete. I'm on a search across the
Speaker 2: milk bone like yo, he was. He was going after everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was going after everybody.
Speaker 1: But the point I was just going to say to
Speaker 1: you was like, you're talking about white rappers, right, who
Speaker 1: is the white who's the only white rapper to do
Speaker 1: a record with Biggie M?
Speaker 3: But not a lot?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, not m M did a
Speaker 1: record post who's the only white rapper to do a
Speaker 1: record with Biggie?
Speaker 3: He's supposed to be googling like Texas text didn't mentioned
Speaker 3: did he mention? The universe is not the answer You're
Speaker 3: going to say, it's you.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not gonna say so. The answer is
Speaker 1: already the rugged man. Oh already already had.
Speaker 3: Biggie in the studio. So so, and I say, and
Speaker 3: I say it, but I say that to.
Speaker 1: Say, there was like this incredible movement for about two
Speaker 1: years between ninety four ninety six were all these underground
Speaker 1: mcs eclips.
Speaker 3: You remember this too, Like ninety four ninety.
Speaker 1: Six, there was all these really dope white MC's that
Speaker 1: people were like, yo, this kid's well.
Speaker 10: The Underground was perfect for that because it didn't discriminate.
Speaker 10: It's just you're just dope. You're dope.
Speaker 3: And Big Hot, Big was hot and he did.
Speaker 1: This record with fucking It and it was perfect because
Speaker 1: Ra was crazy out his mind.
Speaker 3: Fucking Biggie was on that shit. It was gonna go
Speaker 3: back listen to that.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, man, shit is crazy. So the point is,
Speaker 1: So the point is there was this period of time
Speaker 1: and how it kind of went left, not to his demid,
Speaker 1: not to his fault, but M became a rocket.
Speaker 3: Shit wow, because he became so much that it is too.
Speaker 1: Much my name is And everybody's like, oh, that's the theorem.
Speaker 1: That's the theory. Everything else goes to fat beats, everything
Speaker 1: else goes indie and if we don't find that, then
Speaker 1: it's not worth making.
Speaker 5: And that's, by the way, the BC Boys were differently earlier.
Speaker 10: Even though M comes from that because he comes through
Speaker 10: the fat Beat, he comes through all of that.
Speaker 3: Game Bad verse E Bolm and Royce like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean album like it was that that trajectory
Speaker 3: that Hi, my Name is and it was over and.
Speaker 10: Dre because Dre is the obvious the formula that takes.
Speaker 3: It to that level. Obviously obviously, So you know, and
Speaker 3: there was that, and then you look at to like
Speaker 3: and then really think about it. Ninety eight, ninety nine,
Speaker 3: two thousand.
Speaker 1: Name of White MC that made that impact Besize M
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, two thousand and two, Bubbles Fight.
Speaker 3: Bubble had one record nineteen ninety seven, ninety.
Speaker 1: Bubble lasted like a couple of albums. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but that one record was any six ninety six, ninety seven,
Speaker 1: ninety eight Bubba Arrow for Timberland.
Speaker 2: I think Bubbles like more two thousand, yeah, but more
Speaker 2: like two thousand yea fe so, but two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, two thousand and three, until you
Speaker 2: get to like Yellow w War one record.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five, two thousand and six, I'm still
Speaker 1: going by the WAK two.
Speaker 3: Thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't until Action Bronson actually in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, two thousand and eight, wow, that you started
Speaker 1: to have, oh, maybe there can be more than one,
Speaker 1: maybe they can be Oh here comes Jack Carlow.
Speaker 3: Out of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Were fucking putting out records in twenty twelve, which is
Speaker 1: the changing of the way that music is being The
Speaker 1: gatekeepers are now gone consumed, right, There's no more gatekeepers
Speaker 1: because then you have Blogger era going into this era
Speaker 1: going into this era, and SoundCloud or whatever, strength and
Speaker 1: Mac Miller if Maxim Miller's Mac Killer.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So again, the white rapper, the plight of the white
Speaker 1: rapper was the gatekeeper yep, right, and the black co
Speaker 1: sign and then you eliminate all of that just by
Speaker 1: making music. Who's this girl now, Georgiana. She's killing the
Speaker 1: fucking internet, right, but the mic from Indie, Yeah, Michigan City, Indiana,
Speaker 1: She's fucking killing them.
Speaker 3: She's fucking killing them. Right.
Speaker 1: But we're in a period of time now where we're
Speaker 1: fifty years plus and there's no generational gap for these kids.
Speaker 1: I look at an artist like Body James, right, Body's
Speaker 1: killing them right now?
Speaker 3: Does a record with Harry Fraud? No one cares? Right.
Speaker 1: Producers is different, like you could be a white producer
Speaker 1: and be dope. It's got storage, right, right, Alchemist, Yes,
Speaker 1: congratulations to him too. Out of the year, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: For the year like forever. But there's always been Graham
Speaker 3: Jones shout out to them for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's always been this gatekeeper level that's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is where you can be. You can be a spectator,
Speaker 1: but not a participated And the one thing that the
Speaker 1: Internet did the good thing, was.
Speaker 3: It allowed the gatekeepers to fall back.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it allows a lot of great music
Speaker 1: to come out, because that's a whole other different story,
Speaker 1: but at least it allows artists to be artists and
Speaker 1: then you make up the decision whether they're dope or not.
Speaker 10: I think what the Internet did is it took away
Speaker 10: the divisions between the different underground scenes.
Speaker 3: Because in the underground scene, if you're dope, you're dope.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 10: That's all it mattered. If you're whack, you whack. And
Speaker 10: it took away the Internet is like, Okay, now we
Speaker 10: can see these different underground scenes and we can connect
Speaker 10: it in its one big underground scene.
Speaker 1: No. I Love, I Love and the A Ball and
Speaker 1: mjg shit when he played Glorilla and gave her fucking
Speaker 1: flowers and said she really represents Memphis the right way,
Speaker 1: right right, because that's ultimately what I want, like for
Speaker 1: Far Rockaway, Keene Streets represents Rockaway the right way. Moulah
Speaker 1: represents Rockaway the right way. Like I want the artists
Speaker 1: that come from my hood, I want them to represent
Speaker 1: my hood the right way. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And there's our does that do that in every in
Speaker 1: every hood and every genre that it doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: kind of music, you just want to make sure they represent.
Speaker 3: Your hood the right way.
Speaker 5: At the Hip Hop Museum, we're trying to represent everything
Speaker 5: that you just mentioned, and think about all the different artists,
Speaker 5: all the different platforms. It's it's just so hard to
Speaker 5: bring under one roof and try to represent it all properly, right,
Speaker 5: It's it's it's insane. Well, it's almost important.
Speaker 10: Time with slimes A being sane ready control you gotta know,
Speaker 10: we gotta bring that rich Okay, let's go.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a designated drink, a drink for want.
Speaker 10: Set them up, you gotta okay, we'll get a new one.
Speaker 10: Set them up with a mic uh as well? Want
Speaker 10: me to move down? No, he's over there. You gott
Speaker 10: explain them the game so they know, well Search knows
Speaker 10: the game, all right, So these are the rules, fellas.
Speaker 10: We're gonna give you two choices. You pick one, we
Speaker 10: don't drink. If you say both of neither, which is
Speaker 10: the PC answer, then everybody drinks.
Speaker 5: At the tape.
Speaker 3: Obviously you have a designated drinker.
Speaker 10: The real reason for this game is not to pin
Speaker 10: anybody against each other, to bring up stories about anybody
Speaker 10: we mentioned. Let's talk about history, give us some good stories.
Speaker 10: Let's talk about people. You know what I'm saying and places.
Speaker 5: Cool?
Speaker 10: You're ready, you all ready? We got the shots. Ready,
Speaker 10: we gotta get we gotta get everything you need to.
Speaker 10: This guy's ready to pop a question, all right, talking
Speaker 10: to you?
Speaker 3: No, no, I'll ask one.
Speaker 1: So since we did verses, let's not do versus. Let's
Speaker 1: do concerts. Who would you want to see third Base
Speaker 1: on the road.
Speaker 3: With nice and smooth public enemy? I like, I like nicest.
Speaker 3: These are all good answers. By the way, there is
Speaker 3: no wrong answer. I was just candy. It's all legend
Speaker 3: of the classics.
Speaker 5: We were thinking that boy to squash beef tour all
Speaker 5: the all the groups.
Speaker 3: Yo, that's crazy. Let me tell you you.
Speaker 1: Know what's crazy though, And I will say this after no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they have beef internally after the word hit Dress called
Speaker 1: me on Monday and said, Joe, me and Law made peace. Wow,
Speaker 1: he said, me and Law made peace. And like and
Speaker 1: there's like all of these like I hear rumblings that
Speaker 1: Everlast is talking to fucking Danny boy again, and this
Speaker 1: one's talking to this Beef Well. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm just here, like even like word
Speaker 1: is Pete rock and Seale smooth? Like I again, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I know that like Dress called me
Speaker 1: and said, Joe, we made peace.
Speaker 10: If you and Pete could do it, we can do
Speaker 10: You know what, I'd like to see you guys with
Speaker 10: Hammer on tour.
Speaker 3: That was that was about those boys.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know, honestly, like I said, man,
Speaker 1: I would love to make amends with that man. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I think is a super legend.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I think the Beef squads workers. You
Speaker 1: still have totally different algorithms.
Speaker 3: I don't believe. I think that you could work. I
Speaker 3: think I don't think we have the same thing. I
Speaker 3: think it could work, man, I think it could work.
Speaker 3: I mean I think a lot of shit could work.
Speaker 3: I like to do a reality already. Yes, let me
Speaker 3: get my mama. Juan already.
Speaker 5: Can we give a toast to the best show d
Speaker 5: J in history?
Speaker 3: Daddy Original?
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, you know all right nas or ll nos Yeah,
Speaker 10: Jay z or Big Daddy Kane, Big Daddy Big Daddy Cane.
Speaker 10: If one of y'all is off, then we're all drinking.
Speaker 10: That's the way we're doing it. Yeah, I gotta be
Speaker 10: on the same. No disrespect, I mean.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to Jay, But bottom line is there's no
Speaker 1: Jay without King.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and remember any stories because we just went I
Speaker 10: mean we all we all remember any day being on
Speaker 10: the road with Can, like we all remember, you know that.
Speaker 3: Was his crew.
Speaker 10: Any standout story seeing him on the road.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I just remember, like we all, we
Speaker 1: would all try to find the waves, lose a lot
Speaker 1: of money to Can. Yeah, I lost a lot of
Speaker 1: money plans dice. But I remember us always trying to
Speaker 1: find red lobsters wherever we wanted to go.
Speaker 3: We'd always try to find a red lobster. Immediately made
Speaker 3: me hungry. Yeah. In fact, I heard we're going to
Speaker 3: like Jerobi's restaurant after.
Speaker 5: This, So.
Speaker 1: Okay yoah o day in and day or slick Wig
Speaker 1: you skipped one Bro you get it? Uh, And they
Speaker 1: were in the same group. You know, Yeah, I heard
Speaker 1: Cano Crew. So here's the here's a story here, here,
Speaker 1: here's a story.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 1: So when I was growing up in Redfern, we would
Speaker 1: listen to these two set tapes fourth and fifth Generation
Speaker 1: get set tapes of parties in Prospect. I used to
Speaker 1: love those because there was always a group called the
Speaker 1: Kno Crew. I couldn't really hear what they said because
Speaker 1: there was fourth fifth Generation, so that the time it
Speaker 1: got to Far Rockaway, it sounded like the teacher and
Speaker 1: fucking peanuts.
Speaker 3: So it's like.
Speaker 1: But they sounded nice. That's all I knew is they
Speaker 1: had British accents. Sounded nice, British accents. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: were like, well Ricky d. It wasn't like rick here's
Speaker 1: Ricky d Wow.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, they're dope.
Speaker 1: So I get into this high school called Music and
Speaker 1: Art right, and it's the first day of orientation. I
Speaker 1: take the A train from Far Rockaway to one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty fifth in Convent, go to school, go to
Speaker 1: the lunch room for orientation and there's these for do
Speaker 1: roots in Kangos, the Tigra Permanent Crease Lee's and Fucking
Speaker 1: Walli's and they're doing Indian Girl, and all the freshman
Speaker 1: guys had like a senior that took you around.
Speaker 3: The guy who took me around was named Steve Bosco
Speaker 3: May Rest in Peace.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to impress him because I'm in this
Speaker 1: white kid with a jew fro and I'm from Far
Speaker 1: Rockaway and how am I going to notice? So Steve,
Speaker 1: it's the Caango Crew. They're doing Hill Bully Girl. He goes, now, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: that is the Cago Crew. And it was like the
Speaker 1: first time I ever saw a rock star on my life.
Speaker 1: It was Ricky d Lance, Romance Omega and Dana Dane
Speaker 1: Wow Wow so. And the one skit that they started
Speaker 1: doing in high school in nineteen eighty was a skit
Speaker 1: called Lottie Dottie. We like to party, we don't cause trouble,
Speaker 1: we don't bother nobody. There was no record, It was
Speaker 1: just their routine and when we rock upon a mic,
Speaker 1: we rock and all they would go right, and it
Speaker 1: was a.
Speaker 3: Skit that they would do at parties. Yo.
Speaker 1: I bit that whole shit. I would at first girls
Speaker 1: in Far Rockaway, like you want to hear.
Speaker 3: My rhym lotty dotty relaxable. We don't go in trouble,
Speaker 3: we don't right. So for me and fucking Dana, I
Speaker 3: know you watching this, and I love you Dana because
Speaker 3: you're my man. I gotta go with rick. I gotta
Speaker 3: go Ricky Dean.
Speaker 1: Because because for me as much as I love Cinder Fella, Dana,
Speaker 1: Dane and and Clark obviously, like that's Great Adventures album.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, that's crazy. It's crazy. Part of storytelling that
Speaker 1: he did with Okay, this is crazy, like he still
Speaker 1: got bars So and Dana, I love you know I
Speaker 1: love you Dana.
Speaker 5: So I got a personally first show I ever did
Speaker 5: with the first group. I was in SyncE quit Na
Speaker 5: and we open up for Dana. When I met Daddy
Speaker 5: Richard was through Clark and when I knew Clark Clark
Speaker 5: was Dana, Dane and Jesse Rest of Peace Clark Kent.
Speaker 5: If Clark Kent died in eight nineteen eighty eight or
Speaker 5: eighty nine, he be just as big a legend as
Speaker 5: he was now, just because in my eyes, he was
Speaker 5: day to day's DJ going on toward Dana day his
Speaker 5: connection to me and rich.
Speaker 3: And when so basically drink going on, basically.
Speaker 5: And the other crazy thing is when I went to
Speaker 5: Clark's memorial service, which was amazing. I mean everyone like
Speaker 5: from Scratch to Stretched Andrew Martinez, everybody incredible. I walked
Speaker 5: past the casket, it was packed. The only seat that
Speaker 5: was open was the seat next to Dana that I
Speaker 5: go sit next to Dana, and everyone's mentioning Clark's accolades.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't until Scratch talked about when Clark was
Speaker 5: on soul train with Dana and like that to me,
Speaker 5: like when I saw that soul train, it was so
Speaker 5: I have to say, Danna, Dan, all.
Speaker 1: Right, well go ahead Dana and Clark. Ye nah, this
Speaker 1: is solid ark Man. Absolutely yeah. I still got Trill Burgers.
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready for that. I heard it was good.
Speaker 3: It's fantastic. Turkey Burger, Veggie Burger too, and the ship
Speaker 3: off to Veggie Burger.
Speaker 2: That's he started with the Veggie Burger, cleaned the grill,
Speaker 2: then the Turkey Burger clean the grill.
Speaker 3: And didn't clean it every time.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, switch the
Speaker 2: grill rat there you know what I mean, who's next?
Speaker 5: That's the apologies to rick Man because they loan sleeep
Speaker 5: bricks are thrown to the hip hop really, so yeah,
Speaker 5: that's dope.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I want to shout out to. Salaman,
Speaker 1: shout out my guy, my guy, kre Rest one or
Speaker 1: rock Him. Oh it's easy, rock Him. I love K
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. Rock Him is the greatest set
Speaker 1: of all time period. And a conversation rock Him, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want he got you definitely?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, okay, Premore, Pete rock Oh, Primo, it's easy.
Speaker 3: These are really these are like layups. I mean maybe
Speaker 3: not for everybody. See like he's hesitating. Well he's like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, what happened.
Speaker 5: I used to catch Premo out there in my building.
Speaker 5: He was seeing a young lady on my flight. Used
Speaker 5: to go walk my dog like three in the morning,
Speaker 5: and I'd be like, oh, for me, Premiere is something elevator.
Speaker 5: So we had a lot of talks. And when I
Speaker 5: had a couple of groups, this kid Cage who Cage, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Cage could not I have Premiere do a whole Premiere
Speaker 5: beats cag you broke Yeah, Me and my beat Cage
Speaker 5: corigonally and uh, Premiere made a whole tape of Premiere
Speaker 5: beats like incredible, and Cage was like nah, nah, he
Speaker 5: wanted more, So I have to give it to Premiere.
Speaker 3: Oh you'll disagree.
Speaker 10: Agree, they agreed, They agreed, agreed. I agree, Uh, BC
Speaker 10: boys are fat boys.
Speaker 3: Fat boys.
Speaker 5: I got a picture of Search at a fat boy
Speaker 5: show in nineteen eighty five at Roseland and you send
Speaker 5: it to you could put it on the screen when you.
Speaker 5: Search has said that he never kissed a white girl.
Speaker 5: And he's there with a white girl who sang no hop,
Speaker 5: who sang the hawk on it rerecord, Melissa, she doesn't sing.
Speaker 3: This girl was on Z one her know this twist.
Speaker 3: She told this story.
Speaker 5: My boy Chris Money here has that tape somewhere buried
Speaker 5: in his computer. She she says she did no says
Speaker 5: she's telling the hook.
Speaker 3: Really, she says she did a lot of things.
Speaker 5: She did.
Speaker 3: I know, I don't remember that, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think she might have been Italian. That don't count
Speaker 3: rights with the money. I think she's Sillian. Remember, I'll say,
Speaker 3: fat boy. They agreed again.
Speaker 10: Yeah, biggie A big pun all three y'all please, big
Speaker 10: biggie resting piece to both of those legends. Man, mhm,
Speaker 10: I hate to disagree.
Speaker 1: Lyrics, lyrics, lyrically, whatever you're fun. I love big don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I love Big Pun was a monster
Speaker 1: with them Bars. Pun was a monster with them Bars.
Speaker 1: That's fuck both. Yeah, that's horrible.
Speaker 10: Any stories with Bigger Pun anybody?
Speaker 1: I mean, the only story I have two stories for
Speaker 1: both of them, then they're quick. I was doing radio
Speaker 1: promotion at the time. I was at the beat with
Speaker 1: tecond Sway. I had OC with me and Craig k
Speaker 1: Mac and Biggie were on the Big Mac for.
Speaker 2: Ye and one of the best promo items is ever ever.
Speaker 1: I walk in walk into Sway in Tech and I
Speaker 1: got old with me and Biggot already said like Time's
Speaker 1: Up was his favorite ship, Like that was his ship.
Speaker 3: And we walk in.
Speaker 1: And they just they just go into commercial break and
Speaker 1: was about to come in and BIG's about to leave,
Speaker 1: and out of nowhere, he just says to me, Oh,
Speaker 1: He's like, sirch, I gotta apologize to you now.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm just manic depressive right now. I don't feel
Speaker 3: like fucking with you. Who said this to you? Like
Speaker 3: out of left field? Like I was like yo, big
Speaker 3: what pretty Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then but then the funny part was when we
Speaker 1: went outside, there was a DJ that was on the
Speaker 1: beat and his thing he was a midday DJ, and
Speaker 1: the thing was his promo was that celebrity artists would
Speaker 1: leave a message on his phone, like that was his thing,
Speaker 1: like hey, you know, blah blah blah, it's you know shy,
Speaker 1: you know, hey we're coming for the two and two.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. So Craig does whatever he does, like, hey,
Speaker 3: blah blah Blah's Craig Mac.
Speaker 1: You know, I got that flavor year coming down and
Speaker 1: I'll see you at two fifteen level. It comes out
Speaker 1: and Craig says, you're big, you gotta do these promos.
Speaker 1: He's kind of promos, he said. And the guy says, yo,
Speaker 1: you know it's leaving a message on my answering machine.
Speaker 1: He goes, I ain't your bitch. I don't leaven no
Speaker 1: fucking message. And he's like, no, no, no, big, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He goes, I don't done saying shit.
Speaker 10: Car That was it.
Speaker 1: And the other pun, the pun story was like every
Speaker 1: time I ran in a pun, he oh, well, first
Speaker 1: of all, he was always happy. Yes, that was a
Speaker 1: b He always had people around him that made him happy.
Speaker 1: And he always had like three or four chicks around
Speaker 1: him that were just like so happy to be in
Speaker 1: his circle, and he would always make.
Speaker 3: Them feel good. It wasn't even like something he had
Speaker 3: to try. He just had this charm. He had this
Speaker 3: amazing like loving spirit. And that's what I always remembered
Speaker 3: about Punty. Oh yeah, and my tattoo by the way,
Speaker 3: you know I have a tattoo.
Speaker 1: And the guy who did Pun's hands celebrity tattoo artists
Speaker 1: on Instagram, he did my tattoo.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 5: You know at the Hip Hop Museum, we had this
Speaker 5: TV show Me and Paradise called Hip Hop Treasures, and
Speaker 5: Cipher Sounds was on the show with us. We would
Speaker 5: send him out to send him out to Fat Joe's
Speaker 5: and Joe had the jersey from the Trinidad fight when
Speaker 5: they came out, so just looking like an iconic moment
Speaker 5: that you know could not be top like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love Big.
Speaker 1: I love Big, And I know there's always this argument
Speaker 1: like Big should be in people's top fives and this
Speaker 1: and that, like Tove, but not of people, but for me, personally.
Speaker 1: Again my perspective, there's like certain artists that didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time to make enough body of work.
Speaker 3: Pun and Big of both that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, but both made crazy crazy the
Speaker 2: B Street or Crush.
Speaker 1: Groove, Brush Groove shout out to Style and Yellow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the thing is they both kind of whack. Now
Speaker 1: if you watch them, they're both like.
Speaker 3: But that's a lot of old movies though. Know it's great.
Speaker 3: It's great. You gotta smoke a joint and get into
Speaker 3: old school mood and it gets better with time. It's like,
Speaker 3: why joint, smoke physical joint? You joint? Yeah, beach culture.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Last Dragon the other day last year. I was like,
Speaker 1: because now you know that they come who was sucked up?
Speaker 3: Like like like I didn't know. I thought they were
Speaker 3: professionals back then. You look at that the Last Dragon,
Speaker 3: like that screw Crew Crush. All right, this is group.
Speaker 10: It's gonna be tough for you guys, oh man, god.
Speaker 3: One, well for me, I mean mm, I mean, JAMJ
Speaker 3: is the reason I'm on.
Speaker 1: Like, jam Master J found me in Tony D's basement
Speaker 1: the first rom I ever said wow, you know, and
Speaker 1: he leaned back and he was like this, and he went, fuck,
Speaker 1: if white boys start ramming like that, we're finished.
Speaker 3: Yo, I need to take you on the road, and
Speaker 3: like that's verbating him what he said, No, I went down.
Speaker 1: I went, So I went. I I harassed ground vis
Speaker 1: it Tony d for six months. I had given up
Speaker 1: a four year scholarship to go to college. I told
Speaker 1: my mother I wanted to be a rapper and she's like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Rap gifts at sears?
Speaker 1: Like right, I'm like no, no, it's as ain't called
Speaker 1: hip hop and it's this And she asked me when
Speaker 1: my plan was six months. I'm harassing. The dude finally
Speaker 1: picks up the call, says, yeah, coming.
Speaker 5: To the house.
Speaker 3: It's pouring, it's April pouring, ring.
Speaker 1: It's in Corny Island, Seagate dark and there's this beautiful
Speaker 1: brownstone that got a green Jaguar sitting on Dayton's X seven.
Speaker 3: It got a fucking devil on day ends, got all
Speaker 3: these flock carts.
Speaker 1: I'm with my man Bill and like, Bill, come inside
Speaker 1: with me. He's like, I'm like, where are you gonna?
Speaker 1: Let me go in by myself? Knocking the door opens
Speaker 1: the door, Tony goes who you, I said, an MC
Speaker 1: search the fuck out of here. You the guy's been
Speaker 1: calling me, yep, come in.
Speaker 3: Walk through the walk through. The hallway opens up into
Speaker 3: this living room where the kitchen was.
Speaker 1: Grand Wizard Tony D's man, Lord True from the Eternal
Speaker 1: Forces right there, Grand Master D from Houdini, jam Master
Speaker 1: Jay Wow, right there, and Tony He's like, let's go
Speaker 1: in the basement. I had this little gold chain on
Speaker 1: with this little gold watch that my father gave me
Speaker 1: for my Ba Mitza, and I'm going down the stairs
Speaker 1: and all I'm thinking about is, damn, I'm about to
Speaker 1: get robbed by three of the Great Deeper.
Speaker 3: Like I'm literally like, yo, I'm.
Speaker 1: About to get snuffed. Like it's pitch dark. Turns on
Speaker 1: a light, light light, Bubba's doing this. There's in a
Speaker 1: Kai twelve hundred and a booth and he sits me
Speaker 1: in a seat like this, and Jay's there, Grand Master
Speaker 1: D's there, Lord Chreue's there.
Speaker 3: And Tony D's behind me and he goes rack.
Speaker 1: I was like, so you think you're right, Well, got
Speaker 1: a sobo chance at hell to catch MC search because
Speaker 1: I'll ring your bell, assume.
Speaker 3: You withs out of my and I'm going hard for
Speaker 3: two minutes and Jay lean back and right fucking white
Speaker 3: boys start rhyming like that, I'm finish, so I need
Speaker 3: to take you on.
Speaker 1: And the next day took me to Rochester, New York
Speaker 1: with Davy DMX opened and that was my career.
Speaker 3: Wrote records for Houdini. And yeah, so I mean I
Speaker 3: love Clark, but.
Speaker 5: On my side conversely, I used to go to Clark
Speaker 5: Kent's crib on Union badging him to make break taste
Speaker 5: for me to rhyme over begging him. He's already dated
Speaker 5: Dan's DJ. I was trying to get him to be
Speaker 5: my DJ, and he's putting up with me, and why
Speaker 5: is he putting up with you? He's putting Is there
Speaker 5: a reason? I mean, Danes, he was walking hot fire?
Speaker 5: Why are you putting up with him?
Speaker 3: Rhyme for him? Him?
Speaker 5: And also my boy Blake introduced us, and you know
Speaker 5: I had the radio show. Okay, the radio show came up.
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, Clark, I go let you. You
Speaker 5: could go off for two hours.
Speaker 3: Vanilla B and Dana we all went to high school.
Speaker 5: Exactly, Okay, so like the way we got introduced.
Speaker 3: But he was familiar everything just came. The kicker is.
Speaker 5: If it wasn't for Clark, that man right there, Richie
Speaker 5: rich would not have been third bases.
Speaker 3: DJ would not know? How did that happen to put
Speaker 3: us on?
Speaker 1: This is so I brought two of the worst DJs
Speaker 1: in the history of DJs into this group.
Speaker 3: Let's just pull it up. Can I just wait? Let
Speaker 3: me just pull it this.
Speaker 1: I brought two of the worst fucking DJs in the
Speaker 1: history of DJs to this group. I will claim, like
Speaker 1: I said, I would take responsibility. One kid named DJ
Speaker 1: Word and another kid named DJ White Knight.
Speaker 10: I hope they're not DJ anymore because you just and
Speaker 10: both White Knight was nice, man.
Speaker 3: He is not.
Speaker 1: No, no, what what?
Speaker 3: So what happened with White Night? So here's for a
Speaker 3: white kid from the backwoods? Attendant? So here's the ship.
Speaker 3: So this this I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 5: I'm going I'm going to tell you so Search is like, Yo,
Speaker 5: I'm going to see MC holiday.
Speaker 3: Right, No, that's not what it was, So whould you go? No, No,
Speaker 3: I was going to see him, but not for what
Speaker 3: you think I was going to see him.
Speaker 5: But either way, Search showed up back in New York
Speaker 5: with this kid DJ not Yo Pete.
Speaker 3: I found out DJ Yo.
Speaker 5: If I'm looking at this kid did not know what
Speaker 5: a chicken cutlet was. No you, We asked him, how
Speaker 5: do you want your burger at Chung King? He said,
Speaker 5: what are you talking about? What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: He was like, oh, we don't do that.
Speaker 3: About his food choices? What's going on here?
Speaker 5: He was just he was just like he was.
Speaker 3: He was backwards. But could he spend? Could he he
Speaker 3: he did a lot of cuts on the captain. So
Speaker 3: he wasn't a terrible DJ. No, he was a terrible
Speaker 3: DJ because he got Okay.
Speaker 1: So you have to you have to meet and this
Speaker 1: is again my perspective, right, you have to capture the
Speaker 1: moment anytime. This man DJ, he captured the moment period
Speaker 1: one of the craziest moments.
Speaker 3: And here's your comparing these DJs to the greatest.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, I'm just saying, but the point is,
Speaker 1: like you have to still capture the moment. There was
Speaker 1: a moment in our senior hall when he was doing
Speaker 1: sitting at home run in our senior hall, are Sinial
Speaker 1: leaned on the turntable to watch.
Speaker 3: Just motherfucker fans lifts the needles.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't drop, puts it down, brings it back
Speaker 1: like nothing happened. Like, I'm sorry, technical motherfuckers. You don't
Speaker 1: know how fucking hard that was, because the records should
Speaker 1: have skipped sitting in that home watching home.
Speaker 3: Wait, you anticipated our sinial hitting the table. Yeah.
Speaker 15: The first thing is like that was the first time
Speaker 15: I ever pulled that routine off clean. I never pulled
Speaker 15: it off clean, even when I was practicing it at home. So,
Speaker 15: I mean, he stood on the horizon and whatnot, and
Speaker 15: I thought it was work.
Speaker 5: Yo.
Speaker 1: So he and here, if you watch it, it's like
Speaker 1: it's our senial hole and then and so you see
Speaker 1: the needle and he's.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: So it's about capturing the moment. So I had White
Speaker 1: Knight in the Battle for Supremacy. Why one caption the
Speaker 1: moment this kid bricked like brick to the point he
Speaker 1: got booed, then wouldn't leave my crib, wouldn't come outside,
Speaker 1: called his mother how to pick.
Speaker 3: The DJ get booed, and that that part is get
Speaker 3: a battle, DJ battle, then he'll leave the crib. And
Speaker 3: then his mother came to pick him up. Sounds about right.
Speaker 1: So and I shouldn't have never looked outside of New
Speaker 1: York anyway. We had the greatest DJs in the world
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 3: So he was from Tennessee.
Speaker 5: So Clark is DJ and we have the Wreck the
Speaker 5: Radio show together. We could do this show Tuesday night
Speaker 5: is w k c R, and we started one hour.
Speaker 5: We're up to three hours a night. Then Clark's like, yo,
Speaker 5: I gotta go out with Dana and he's like, YO,
Speaker 5: don't worry about it. I got my man, Richie Rich
Speaker 5: to cover for me. So that's when I met Richie Rich.
Speaker 5: I got the business search had that that then.
Speaker 10: Clark had said, this is my man's feeling.
Speaker 5: Wow. I actually had the flyers that we used to make.
Speaker 5: I had the flyer and I had to put the
Speaker 5: Richie Rich over the Clark can printed up on alternate weeks.
Speaker 5: And that's how this man became my DJ first because
Speaker 5: we used to go to Funky Slice making the demos
Speaker 5: for Brooklyn Queens originally, and then rich was out in
Speaker 5: Farmingdale at school and he couldn't get in, So that's
Speaker 5: why he was going to be our first DJ before
Speaker 5: night and he just couldn't make it in and then
Speaker 5: boom tell us about how when you made it in rich.
Speaker 3: Listen, First, let's let's shout up White Knight and DJ Work.
Speaker 3: I have to tell the story.
Speaker 5: There was one point where I don't know, It's like
Speaker 5: DJ Night also eat like a piece of cake, didn't
Speaker 5: he eat like a piece of cake at one point
Speaker 5: and got really pissed off and the and it was
Speaker 5: like sometimes routine was like it was it was like
Speaker 5: a birthday cake or something.
Speaker 3: We were they're in the video, They're in seven to
Speaker 3: the Amy, both in seven to the Am. They're both
Speaker 3: in the video. In the video, it was just like
Speaker 3: I told you, I was done in the right head.
Speaker 5: But at this point, like I was really against DJ
Speaker 5: Knight time.
Speaker 3: I was like, Sorch, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3: Good for Tennessee. I like DJ Knight.
Speaker 5: I was like we were in the studio hanging out
Speaker 5: with him and then boom, next thing you know, I
Speaker 5: was like, yo.
Speaker 3: Pete Night's gone. His mom came to pick him up.
Speaker 5: He went back to Tennessee at boom and and to
Speaker 5: Richie rich.
Speaker 3: So Night did. But just so you know, both Knight
Speaker 3: had and still does like he still does.
Speaker 1: D He's still DJs is the former DJ of Third
Speaker 1: Base all through Nashville.
Speaker 5: He was officially your guys DJ on officially when me
Speaker 5: and Barto had a label hoto, he actually was.
Speaker 3: It was DJ Night who discovered Camp Base D. So
Speaker 3: like DJ said, ways them, bro let me.
Speaker 10: Let Night, but he's like DJ White Knight, Let's go
Speaker 10: with DJ Night.
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you.
Speaker 5: There's a famous picture in the Hip Hop Connection the
Speaker 5: u K where we had our first photo shoot, and
Speaker 5: DJ Night is right down with us.
Speaker 3: First photo shoot was in the UK.
Speaker 5: No that yeah, it was like Normsky, I think took
Speaker 5: the photos. He came into Elizabeth Street. We went right
Speaker 5: around the corner and boom. That was like the first
Speaker 5: time I think we were in a magazine.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah he did the next one too. I love.
Speaker 10: I think we Yeah, we gotta drink. We gotta drink,
Speaker 10: We do gotta drink. It was split cheers and rest
Speaker 10: in peace both legends.
Speaker 5: Man. Apologies to Hurricane, but he was the best friend.
Speaker 5: I couldn't pick UJ on that one, even though I
Speaker 5: wanted to.
Speaker 10: I love I love both of those men, not just legends,
Speaker 10: pioneers as well.
Speaker 3: Kick Capria read Alert for me.
Speaker 1: It's red Alert and I love Kid Capri even though
Speaker 1: he looks like me. And every time I go, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, absolutely kick Capri right now. If
Speaker 1: I'm in an airport, you're kid, You'll care, Yeah you can.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not.
Speaker 5: And King Capri goes back so far people don't even
Speaker 5: know we got him on fly. There was a fly
Speaker 5: with Paradise where I think a group called the Throwdown
Speaker 5: four where they were battling for the name against Kid Capri.
Speaker 16: No, he's.
Speaker 3: But I got it. When you're put in Ky Capri.
Speaker 5: Up against Red Alert, it's not fair because there's no
Speaker 5: way that anyone can know the impact had on you
Speaker 5: just rap Radio, the Big Show, just and you know,
Speaker 5: going back to the Zulu days. I mean know, not
Speaker 5: for the fact personally all that he did for us.
Speaker 5: You know, like Red would not play a record if
Speaker 5: he didn't like a record. Correct, And he did not
Speaker 5: like Steven Today, Correct, he did not, he did not
Speaker 5: like it. He played it, but didn't kill it, right,
Speaker 5: And but then he loved Gas Phase correct. And you know,
Speaker 5: I mean also like the guy met him in the world.
Speaker 5: I met him in lag quarterback when me and Rich
Speaker 5: got together. We made this uh little demo and we
Speaker 5: had the radio show and read new about the radio show,
Speaker 5: and he had the whole week could do this thing.
Speaker 5: We were calling our show we could do this right
Speaker 5: at the same time, and he said, hey, why don't
Speaker 5: you do it promo for me? So me and Rich
Speaker 5: went in, cut into funky slice, delivered it to him.
Speaker 5: Boom played it the next week. That's why you know
Speaker 5: he made He made us, you know, shout out.
Speaker 3: Absolute thinking on that one Swiss Beasts of Timberland.
Speaker 1: It's funny because as soon as you say Swiss speeds
Speaker 1: are Timberland, all I hurry in my head is on Mellillilli.
Speaker 3: So you're thinking Swiss beats. No, I don't know what that. No,
Speaker 3: I know, I know you didn't do it. That's all
Speaker 3: litill Wayne.
Speaker 1: It's still waingneay me right now we're talking about I
Speaker 1: didn't asked nothing about it.
Speaker 3: Johnson made there. You know, it's funny because every it's
Speaker 3: funny because every time I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: I know Banglades did the beat.
Speaker 1: Every time somebody says Swiss speachs, that's the first thing
Speaker 1: out here that's weird.
Speaker 3: I do think that's that left over when you get
Speaker 3: I don't even know why, Like I don't know why
Speaker 3: it is like my brain goes to that.
Speaker 10: When I hear Swiss beans, I think of band from
Speaker 10: TV Automatic.
Speaker 3: But we need you to answer those the Swiss. You
Speaker 3: still want me to answer? I started, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: some more time, no no no. What did you say?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, considering the fact that I'm trying to
Speaker 5: get Swiss beats alone, cool heart speakers, can I not
Speaker 5: say Swiss beating?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 1: Okay, which, by the way, is super flows that now
Speaker 1: that we know that, Yeah, that's one of Flex.
Speaker 3: That's a major. That's a major Flex one hundred twenty
Speaker 3: grand major.
Speaker 5: F which is great because it wins what that was
Speaker 5: sold by.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is it really is.
Speaker 5: You actually beat out Knaves and Peter bit of ben
Speaker 5: because that's American history.
Speaker 3: Shoulder your shoulder, listen. You gotta make it right for
Speaker 3: you to make a choice.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, I gotta go with Swiss.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with Swiss just because the Dmax Shop
Speaker 1: band from TV and Yeah both went Swiss.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Simbo? All right, drink drink, put
Speaker 3: your drinks up. The boy made some great records.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, coming back out. I spoke to Swiss person.
Speaker 2: Well they didn't come to til burgers e P M BU.
Speaker 3: Or Nice and you said they're going to erase that
Speaker 3: ship from their mind already, mob both yall right, now,
Speaker 3: just for the confusion, which one is it? De m
Speaker 3: O P I mean m O P Queen's get the
Speaker 3: money m O P is Brooklyn, Brooklyn. Yeah, are you sure?
Speaker 3: I said, Mom Deep? I said, Mom Deep o money. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we got it on cameras. Yeah, you've been real real bro. Wow,
Speaker 3: I really said, m O P.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: No, mob D okay, Mob Deep Okay, mob Deep Brooklyn
Speaker 3: the money.
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 3: In the house. I know we we we're gonna have
Speaker 3: to skip this one. We're gonna skip this one because
Speaker 3: we we want to know m O P. Okay. Okakay,
Speaker 3: we say that.
Speaker 5: Move.
Speaker 3: Don't we have to drink because it's okay. This one,
Speaker 3: it's okay, just move E P M D or Nice?
Speaker 3: And this one? Did we take a pass on this one?
Speaker 3: Well it's drink. Yeah, well you can either. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to drink on this one, all right. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: can't pick one either. Really, Yeah, that's what we were
Speaker 3: trying to get the all show. Yeah. No, if this
Speaker 3: is your attempt to do this show, you've failed miserably. No, No,
Speaker 3: were trying to get.
Speaker 1: Try to say, no, I know it doesn't matter, you're
Speaker 1: failing miserable.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I'm gonna take this one. I mean that
Speaker 3: was that was the toughest one. M d ns. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that was definitely tough.
Speaker 10: Analog or digital should be, I would imagine, I mean
Speaker 10: for me, yeah, for whoever past kill me pass the mic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, here's the thing for me again. Just my perspective.
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough to work with some incredible artists,
Speaker 1: one of the most recently Bodh James. Who And I'll
Speaker 1: say it right now, and I'll stand on business and
Speaker 1: I'll give a fuck who comes after me on this one.
Speaker 1: Body James last ten albums, not including the Harry Fraud
Speaker 1: record that he just put out, The Brictionary his last
Speaker 1: ten albums. Has not been a single MC ever in
Speaker 1: the history of the culture ever to put out ten
Speaker 1: albums as strong as Body James. I stand on business,
Speaker 1: not Jay, not nas. I don't give a fuck who
Speaker 1: you can find Body James last ten albums And that's
Speaker 1: it's and if it wasn't for digital, it would never happened.
Speaker 3: So you're saying, no, I'm saying that because.
Speaker 1: I say, this record on analog. This crazy that that happened,
Speaker 1: that they found the reels is crazy, transfer the digital crazy,
Speaker 1: which is analog. The fact that they found the reels
Speaker 1: crazy to be analog crazy. So and the process that
Speaker 1: it took those reels of course, of course both because
Speaker 1: I'm saying past because I can't pick one over the other.
Speaker 3: Both and like Ni Ni Shae is about to be
Speaker 3: a problem, how about you, I.
Speaker 5: Gotta say analogist because it's the rap records, like we
Speaker 5: have the original reels for super rapping and funk you
Speaker 5: for wrapping.
Speaker 3: A rock in the house. And and that's a great point.
Speaker 3: Great point.
Speaker 15: Yeah, digital is making too many untalented people seem talented.
Speaker 3: I'll go with analogs. And there was something about analog
Speaker 3: gatekeeping that's okay. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yes, up to a certain point, Like because there were
Speaker 1: so many great artist that couldn't get on because the
Speaker 1: analog was so expensive.
Speaker 3: Great point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And right now so many artists that shouldn't be
Speaker 2: on correct getting on because because it's so cheap, cheap.
Speaker 3: But the drive. You had to have to get in
Speaker 3: an analog studio.
Speaker 1: You had to be about that life, about that life,
Speaker 1: and it really took a lot of effort to get
Speaker 1: in the studio and make music.
Speaker 10: I respect the people that just had a vinyl record.
Speaker 10: I was like, I might not like this song, but man,
Speaker 10: I got respect for you.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: When I found that to get to that, bro, when
Speaker 1: I found that the fn K deff looking for the
Speaker 1: perfect beat remix, Bro, damn near crowd.
Speaker 3: When I saw that for that ship is fire.
Speaker 5: It's important to preserve the history of analog and just
Speaker 5: the whole studio history, like the Hit Factory donated the
Speaker 5: actual or the actual studio to hip hop music created
Speaker 5: that's dope, and you know you we we find all
Speaker 5: these two inchs like I found rock Stands, rock Stands Revenge,
Speaker 5: the original two inches Raster Real Wow, or the promo
Speaker 5: that was I mean starting on Mister Magic. It wasn't
Speaker 5: even a record, it was broadcast on live on the air.
Speaker 5: We have like the two inch tape.
Speaker 2: I love all hip hop legendary studios, d n D, Yeah, John.
Speaker 3: King Ring Street, Calio, p Callipe Callipe was daily and I.
Speaker 1: Mean yo shout Misriguez talk Rodriguez on board.
Speaker 10: Well down here we had Criteria which ended up becoming.
Speaker 3: The Hip Factory. And it's circle.
Speaker 10: It was originally Circle seventh Street in New York City, right, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I love the Circle houses.
Speaker 1: Legendary houses will always be legend h house will never die,
Speaker 1: big big Quad.
Speaker 3: And Richard shout out after this day, control still there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's solder you could feel pot sould when
Speaker 3: you're walking. Quad, I don't. I don't know why. Oh Alex, lady,
Speaker 3: lady jim he's your ship? About the cat?
Speaker 2: Is the white cat in there? The only I'm alergy
Speaker 2: old cats, the only cat.
Speaker 3: Allergic to it. I don't know if I'm not alerted
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: It just never broke me out, Like I will walk
Speaker 2: through and everyone will say, that's Jimmy Hendrick cat.
Speaker 3: I mean, like his spirit. Yeah, okay, all right? And
Speaker 3: d or Buck Wow, oh.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck you Dominican and the Columbia who write the
Speaker 2: questions right behind you.
Speaker 5: It's not me.
Speaker 2: We don't write these quick times line questions. Yeah yeah, right,
Speaker 2: I got a great Buck Wild story.
Speaker 1: I know you love these stories. So I'm working on
Speaker 1: the O C record. I signed him to Wild Pitch
Speaker 1: and I just finished executive producing.
Speaker 3: Ellmatic Wow Life Flow so Lifelow.
Speaker 1: And the difference between making those records was, you know,
Speaker 1: NAS made eleven.
Speaker 3: Songs, right, and I believe with an intro right, and.
Speaker 1: I'm maybe at forty demos with d TC and oh
Speaker 1: and we couldn't find the right record.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, yeah, no, No, for the fans that's listening,
Speaker 2: I probably don't know that. Let me say forty demos,
Speaker 2: you are actually missing forty records?
Speaker 3: Correct? Okay, yeah, because I don't he was you know,
Speaker 3: we talked about analog, right.
Speaker 2: So he's in a studio two inch reo forty songs,
Speaker 2: forty songs with d TC recorded.
Speaker 1: Wild og like Showbiz, all of them working, working, working.
Speaker 3: All their production.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, and they're bringing back records and I'm like, nope, nope.
Speaker 3: So our office is a Wild Pitch.
Speaker 1: Had a roof deck that we could go on to
Speaker 1: to hang out, and at one point of making this record,
Speaker 1: I thought for sure either I was gonna get thrown
Speaker 1: off the roof are always going to get thrown off.
Speaker 1: Through one of my last meetings with these guys, they
Speaker 1: all came to see me and I thought for sure,
Speaker 1: was this the sec all of them? But Oh show ah, No,
Speaker 1: but all of them, and they're furious. I'm fucking update money.
Speaker 1: Oh got to put out a record, and I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: you ain't got the record yet.
Speaker 3: Trust me, I know what the record sounds like. You
Speaker 3: ain't got it.
Speaker 1: Two days later, Oh comes in and the receptions downstairs,
Speaker 1: a wall pictures named Milky. Milky calls me, Oh's coming up.
Speaker 1: He ain't saying nohing, no nobody. My man left his
Speaker 1: his thing in my office.
Speaker 3: So I pull. I'm figuring this is when it's going
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 1: He pushes me out of the way and goes to
Speaker 1: my DAT player and opens the That player puts it
Speaker 1: dat in closes a debt and I'm like, yo, was it?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yo, you could presses play. It's about
Speaker 1: five seconds of fucking emptiness.
Speaker 3: And I hear boom boom theo stone Tom's up. Boom
Speaker 3: boo boom ba boom ba boon bo boon ba boom.
Speaker 3: Time's up.
Speaker 1: You lack the minerals and the hair is filt right now,
Speaker 1: right turns and he turned and he turns me around.
Speaker 3: And he says and he says to me, and he
Speaker 3: says to me, I understand now.
Speaker 1: Buck comes up and says, I understand now, And two
Speaker 1: weeks later the whole album was finished. Fast forward thirty
Speaker 1: years later, we're doing this thing called Top Shelf with Rostrom.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I hadn't talked to Buck in at least fifteen years.
Speaker 1: He pulls me over and he says, yo, I never
Speaker 1: thanked you for that. Ain't all lesson? I said, of
Speaker 1: course you did.
Speaker 3: He said no.
Speaker 1: Right after that happened, I was in the tunnel and
Speaker 1: I saw a big and Big told me that was
Speaker 1: his favorite record.
Speaker 3: And I got to do story to tell because of
Speaker 3: that record. And if it wasn't for you, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't for you.
Speaker 1: Pushing us so hard on those forty fucking records that
Speaker 1: we all thought should have been on word Life, we
Speaker 1: never would have got to word Life.
Speaker 3: I never would have got the times up. So thank you. Wow,
Speaker 3: God damn makes a noise for that answer. What's the answer, diamond,
Speaker 3: dear buckets?
Speaker 1: For me, it's obvious as Buckwell shout out a book man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: old g I t C is coreat that cruise.
Speaker 2: Fucking crazy because he's saying both because he said past
Speaker 2: drinks and we still got a drink.
Speaker 3: Let's say both that passed. I don't like salute salut
Speaker 3: oh the meal being like rosa. Oh yeah, that's you, bro.
Speaker 3: That's the New York sports stuff you want to feel
Speaker 3: sitting there. I mean, I got, I got enough raise
Speaker 3: you got that's easy.
Speaker 1: I mean for me, that's easy. Queens all day, Mets,
Speaker 1: Jet's nixt Wait wait wait, I don't watch none of that.
Speaker 1: So it's passed, yea pass watch it?
Speaker 3: I don't watch it. We don't care. I like this
Speaker 3: not technically a pass past. Yeah, that's actually a pass.
Speaker 3: But there's no drink, so you got to drinks. That's
Speaker 3: the way you should use. How many passes do you get? Though?
Speaker 1: It unlimited past it's cool because you're not drinking, so
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, so it's designated you've been drinking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, flex flex, you can take this one. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: we wind that you can take this one. Flex for clue,
Speaker 3: we should start with you. That's we're gonna start with you.
Speaker 17: Really, and you said it was just flex to DJ Okay,
Speaker 17: clue doesn't DJ No, I got it, I got it,
Speaker 17: flexy DJ and need Jamaican.
Speaker 5: And there is.
Speaker 3: He's like Lennar Mercy, that was hard.
Speaker 1: I'll stay with my brother Daddy rich flex. Okay, queens
Speaker 1: get the money. Okay, queens get the money.
Speaker 10: I mean they both have a clue. They both did
Speaker 10: the little big things. Yeah, clue, all right, my nigga
Speaker 10: New Jack City or Juice.
Speaker 3: For real. So that's that's that's that's both. That's both
Speaker 3: hip hop. That's what you was hating on New I
Speaker 3: never hated on New York. No hate on us. We
Speaker 3: never hate it on y'all. Y'all hate it. We didn't
Speaker 3: hate on mine on the rest of We're not gonna
Speaker 3: get into this argument. You remember the story you just
Speaker 3: told when I went and then they put two life
Speaker 3: creup before.
Speaker 10: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I didn't understand, no comprehend. You were like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I no, we never hated, no, of course not. Wait,
Speaker 3: there's a difference between hating and not understanding. I didn't
Speaker 3: say hate, you did. You just said you hated on us.
Speaker 3: We gotta go on tag but we got.
Speaker 5: We got.
Speaker 3: Hating it hating.
Speaker 1: You didn't hate. We didn't understand. It's a difference. It's
Speaker 1: a cultural difference.
Speaker 10: I like that breaking in New York locked out everybody
Speaker 10: else in the couse we didn't. It comes out Okay,
Speaker 10: great story, but understand it's not a great story. What
Speaker 10: I'm saying that that is the story. But I'm saying
Speaker 10: it happened. Though it happened, it didn't. It didn't not happened.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying to you that it wasn't based
Speaker 1: on hate. It wasn't like you did anything to cause hate.
Speaker 1: We just didn't understand.
Speaker 10: It depends when you hear people from New York saying, oh, y'all,
Speaker 10: Bama's y'all, this y'all, that that is hate.
Speaker 3: That's not what we're standing York though. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: and first of all, Bama most of the country are
Speaker 3: excuse me, considered just FYI, it wasn't Bamas, it was Bumpkins.
Speaker 3: It's different. No, we wear a lot of things, a
Speaker 3: lot of things.
Speaker 13: No.
Speaker 1: No, the point was it wasn't because of hate. It
Speaker 1: was because of lack of understanding. We weren't around Jill.
Speaker 1: So if we can articulate this way different, if I'm
Speaker 1: the same at twenty four, then it wasn't fifty four.
Speaker 3: I wasted thirty years of my life. I'll just say
Speaker 3: this and this is a whole other podcast.
Speaker 10: Y'all had some bad but hip hop would be different
Speaker 10: now if New York would have opened up a little
Speaker 10: bit more at a certain time, absolutely, hip hop would
Speaker 10: be totally different.
Speaker 3: That is one hundred percent because everybody yet now, I
Speaker 3: don't know what you say you were like, I can't
Speaker 3: wait to a record with that. I don't know what
Speaker 3: you're talking about right now, but let it up.
Speaker 1: And when we're looking but looking at our beautiful things,
Speaker 1: all right, now, look how horrible this music is.
Speaker 3: Hell, get out of here, bro get it. You don't
Speaker 3: want to. That's not the way.
Speaker 10: That's not the way this went. That's not the way
Speaker 10: this went. No, that's not the way. I listen.
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 1: History is going to see it, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: History is going to see it a different way.
Speaker 3: Right. History is going to see it as hate. Right,
Speaker 3: I got it, I get it, forget keeping. Let's does
Speaker 3: not call it hate.
Speaker 1: Let's I think that's a good immersion of ioeping for
Speaker 1: me at this point in my life, I would just
Speaker 1: prefer to use different adjectives to describe ship.
Speaker 3: And for me, it was just different, like we didn't
Speaker 3: get it, like we didn't get what we loved about.
Speaker 1: It was the things that we understood right going out,
Speaker 1: having a good time, being around people. You know that part,
Speaker 1: eating good, drinking good, smoking good, feeling good. Everything else
Speaker 1: didn't make sense to us, like the beats, and it
Speaker 1: didn't make sense to us because we didn't come from that.
Speaker 3: It was just different. It wasn't hate. It was a
Speaker 3: lack of understanding.
Speaker 1: The thing about New Yorkers and this is the one
Speaker 1: thing that's just about New Yorkers. We come from a
Speaker 1: place that's so siloed and so eco, Like, we don't
Speaker 1: understand how you don't get around on the subway.
Speaker 3: We don't understand how you don't know every street in
Speaker 3: the five Burroughs. We don't.
Speaker 1: That's it's foreign to us, right, because we're so siloed.
Speaker 1: So when we come down here and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to get there from here, We're like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You fucking bumpkin. You always just take the blah da
Speaker 3: da dah, the blah dah dah, and you just get
Speaker 3: that bunk.
Speaker 1: No understand now, I'm not talking about him a bumpkin,
Speaker 1: but that's how it was.
Speaker 10: But no, no, no, But.
Speaker 3: I don't need any of your people coming from right now.
Speaker 3: I don't mean people running up in no, but the point.
Speaker 3: But that was the old thing. Like I was just
Speaker 3: explaining this, I was explaining to my man from Jersey, right,
Speaker 3: My man.
Speaker 1: Jersey had the same issue with the Yes, my man
Speaker 1: from Jersey, say Brody. My man from Jersey City, which
Speaker 1: is five minutes from fucking Newark, doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: get through Newark. I'm like, Yo, you're fucking sixty seventy
Speaker 1: years old. How the fuck is that possible? You live
Speaker 1: here your whole fucking life. How do you not know
Speaker 1: how to get from this restaurant Jersey to the fucking
Speaker 1: Trip hotel in downtown Newark.
Speaker 3: It's five minutes, It's five blocks.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because when we were crumbing up in New York,
Speaker 1: whether it was rich, you knew that, you knew how
Speaker 1: to take the D train to the A to the
Speaker 1: C to the two to the sixth, you knew every block.
Speaker 3: So it it just it was just a different mindset.
Speaker 3: And I'm not calling you a no.
Speaker 10: Like I said, this is a whole other podcast we
Speaker 10: could do. We're not gonna do it that at all.
Speaker 1: Because when we work together, when we worked records together,
Speaker 1: I trusted you on everything.
Speaker 3: Of course, I would never question you.
Speaker 1: I would never come into another city and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: y'all doing it's crazy, but I.
Speaker 3: Love that ship.
Speaker 5: What about Juice?
Speaker 3: What about juice? I said both? I said both, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I said both drink.
Speaker 10: Oh no, that's what I'm sorry because he said it was.
Speaker 3: Not a New Jok City, New York City. Juice is
Speaker 3: what made me want to really New Jack City or Juice.
Speaker 3: Both are like being on set of Juice by the Yeah,
Speaker 3: I gotta hear this because that that wanted me made
Speaker 3: me buy my turntables.
Speaker 1: He yo, that's some heavyweights. Man, you're going against fucking
Speaker 1: Daddy Rich.
Speaker 3: And the funny thing is.
Speaker 4: Me and Scratch was supposed to battle that day on
Speaker 4: set on set, but he went to Buffalo, so that
Speaker 4: had been kind of crazy.
Speaker 10: But U.
Speaker 4: The records that we used in the real records, they
Speaker 4: didn't get the sample clear.
Speaker 10: So like the battles session that the whole thing was overdub.
Speaker 10: But were they were really trying to like was it real?
Speaker 10: Was audio really connected?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They were really DJing. We were really battled. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're really battled. But Scratch had to go to Buffalo
Speaker 4: that day so he couldn't make it, and uh for
Speaker 4: Omar Epps to pump me up, part scratched it. That
Speaker 4: and I think the other practice thing, I think Classic
Speaker 4: Man did that. That's who plugged us in with them. Wow,
Speaker 4: all Superman.
Speaker 1: So we're saying juice, No, I'm saying. I'm saying both Yo.
Speaker 1: New Jack City was my fuck.
Speaker 3: Yo. New Jack City is off the chain.
Speaker 5: Yo.
Speaker 3: New Jack Cony was off the chain.
Speaker 1: And I was uptown when that shit really happened when
Speaker 1: they took over that building, that ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're drinking, Yes, I think we are as Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, h yeah, answer this. You're gonna let me
Speaker 3: thank you very much. I appreciate you for my name
Speaker 3: is not just on the den. It's okay then n
Speaker 3: w A or Wu tang. This is a highly debated
Speaker 3: now it's not even that debated. It really isn't that
Speaker 3: highly debated. But so okay. So I think he's a
Speaker 3: terrible pair. To be honest, I don't like the pair.
Speaker 1: Who's the third base story to that, I believe, And
Speaker 1: again my perspective, only my perspective based on talking to
Speaker 1: Dre and talking to Ice Cube, m if there was
Speaker 1: no Cactus album, the production on the first n A
Speaker 1: w A album would be different really because and Q
Speaker 1: they were so impressed with the production on the Cactus
Speaker 1: one second, it came to our album party to show
Speaker 1: us love.
Speaker 3: The first album was Bump Squad involved, Right, this one
Speaker 3: is the majority of Chris Paul. Yeah, okay, but he
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 1: But but Dre and Cube loved Sam's production like that
Speaker 1: particular like they loved if you listen to that first.
Speaker 3: N w A album, them snares, them drums, they sound.
Speaker 10: A lot like which is the ice Cube story that
Speaker 10: he was looking for, right, Okay, okay.
Speaker 5: But but that's the four Sam denies that story, that
Speaker 5: no one ever contacted him.
Speaker 3: That might have been leor didn't make the call, right,
Speaker 3: but l Cohen against the gas.
Speaker 1: But the point is that's why Cube came to New York. Right,
Speaker 1: Whether whether I think it's there's Yeah, whether le or
Speaker 1: call Sam or not, it's on that right. But obviously
Speaker 1: that's what Yeah came. He came to meet with Sam.
Speaker 5: Sever But they sonically, they made a lot of innovations
Speaker 5: and followed more of the East Coast lead on production,
Speaker 5: like when when Africa Islam went out to the West Coast,
Speaker 5: but I see he brought that whole, you know, kicks
Speaker 5: in the Aunt medic you know, like the beats. You
Speaker 5: can hear the influence these coast. You could see the
Speaker 5: L A Posse coming back from New York and bringing
Speaker 5: the West Coast to New York. So people sleep on
Speaker 5: L A Posse and Islam like laying the foundation which
Speaker 5: is zoom like and yeah for n w A. And
Speaker 5: when you look at what was the searchers saying, you know,
Speaker 5: you see in the East coast influence which you know,
Speaker 5: like Dante Ross would tell us, wah is incredible.
Speaker 1: Which is this whole in their movie And in the
Speaker 1: remember the going to the World and hearing Dope Man
Speaker 1: for the first time and thinking like what the fuck
Speaker 1: is this? This is crazy? Sounded so big in the world,
Speaker 1: Dope Man, Dope Man, Yo, that ship sounded crazy. It
Speaker 1: was incredible, man, mhm wu tang or n w A.
Speaker 1: It's a bad pairing.
Speaker 3: It's a very bad. I don't like the parent. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got whatch on.
Speaker 10: It because I think generationally it's not.
Speaker 3: The right parent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm both so important in both. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna puge. I'm also gonna pass. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pay a past. Okay, Dan.
Speaker 3: Knew he was gonna. I knew it. I actually am
Speaker 3: not mad at that. And there it is. Okay, all right,
Speaker 3: you already, Prince Paul large pro Oh, oh, I'm ninety
Speaker 3: nine percent sure. I know what Rich and Peter are
Speaker 3: gonna say. All right, Nussell Dommas, I'm ninety nine percent sure.
Speaker 5: But what are you gonna say?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna I'm waiting for y'all like i'm
Speaker 3: I'm I'm we can't do that, you can't.
Speaker 14: This is okay, so large Professor, Okay, I got I
Speaker 14: gotta pass on that one.
Speaker 5: I can't you and your passes both both both both,
Speaker 5: my professor.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised. I'm surprised. I'm surprised. You know, I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I thought you would say, principal.
Speaker 3: So maybe two. I don't know.
Speaker 10: Okay, no drinking, no drinking.
Speaker 3: That's fair enough. I'll do it. Oh, d b or
Speaker 3: Bis Wait wait, wait you gotta drink?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Oh, I say, we just changed the rules in the
Speaker 3: middu We just do that. It's your show.
Speaker 1: You can do it.
Speaker 18: Oh d b Or Bismarck, Bismark, bis Mark Mark okay,
Speaker 18: rest in peace, resting peace?
Speaker 3: Would you fuck you?
Speaker 9: Wrap?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah, I gotta go ge Queen Wrap queens
Speaker 3: get the money.
Speaker 10: But schoolids an original this one yay?
Speaker 3: Or forall for real?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: For Rell right? Who said yeah? Oh two? The one
Speaker 3: wins right new Roules. Oh yeah, I was about the
Speaker 3: radio drink Queen Latifa might not passed. They both. If
Speaker 3: you're going to pass, say pass. If you're gonna say both.
Speaker 5: Have you ever seen the papers in the video?
Speaker 3: Of course? What you get paper? Who's doing this? You
Speaker 3: look closely? Get the funk out of here?
Speaker 5: Me and searches show ball where the top villain video?
Speaker 3: His his father in the top I'm in the top
Speaker 3: building video. So his father is chilling. Yeah, the uh
Speaker 3: pool his father worked. You know, he was a bishop
Speaker 3: Ford High school.
Speaker 1: They have the jopist letthermon jackets black red and white
Speaker 1: letther sleeve. His dad for my birthday had been in
Speaker 1: EMCE search bishop Ford that said, g w.
Speaker 3: For go white boy and I wore that ship in
Speaker 3: the milk and the audio two videos kind of yo,
Speaker 3: that's iconic.
Speaker 1: But you gotta check out the light video because I
Speaker 1: played a fucking Italian muscle boy.
Speaker 3: That's what fucking with soul.
Speaker 10: I need you to be an Italian like the description
Speaker 10: is wild Italian muscle boy.
Speaker 3: With Yeah, that's what Lionel Martin told me to do.
Speaker 3: That's in the video as a wild describon. That's what
Speaker 3: she said, kind of fire. So we all said both.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 15: I used to DJs like really like we're in the
Speaker 15: group together as kids, so like all right, drink all.
Speaker 16: Right, yo, she's to you for that. That's legendary. Ship
Speaker 16: Rich's neighborhood got crazy history.
Speaker 8: Podcasts of radio podcast or radio podcast podcasts means like
Speaker 8: the same thing kind of that. You could curse it,
Speaker 8: I say, podcast, right, Yeah, there you go. Damn we're
Speaker 8: on the same page.
Speaker 3: Ships, Public Enemy or Gangstar.
Speaker 1: Recipes. Public so important? Yeah, yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: Public Enemy, we definitely say. That's my default on these
Speaker 1: type of questions. I think that the person would say this,
Speaker 1: the people the predecessors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we.
Speaker 5: Basically saw them from the beginning, and then we saw
Speaker 5: the world because of them.
Speaker 3: I mean literally in the world because of Public Enemy.
Speaker 3: We opened for them for damn near two years.
Speaker 5: I mean Clark Can he got the test press that
Speaker 5: rubber without a pause to play on our show from
Speaker 5: Red and you know you just saw like that record, yo,
Speaker 5: that right alone. If they just put out that record
Speaker 5: at the Latin Quarter and.
Speaker 1: It was crazy the year before because you know, Yo,
Speaker 1: bum Rush Show. People tend to forget that young bum
Speaker 1: Rush Show is the first album. It did not have that,
Speaker 1: it had my ninety eight no right. I remember them
Speaker 1: getting booed off stage at the Latin Quarter.
Speaker 3: Because it was it was new.
Speaker 1: You knew it, but it was different, Yeah, and nobody
Speaker 1: was checking for it. And then a year later they
Speaker 1: came with that and it was a rap like that
Speaker 1: record literally became the stick up record in the Lane Quarter.
Speaker 1: Like when that record yeah, like when that record came up,
Speaker 1: you took off your because.
Speaker 3: They sucked on the text. Which record you're talking about?
Speaker 3: Nobod out a pole.
Speaker 10: Enemy inside of people, datting people that's wid yes, no, no,
Speaker 10: I could dudes were getting you know that's wild yo.
Speaker 3: Yes, yo, Yo, nother funk all.
Speaker 1: That the original, the original fifty cent, his brother a Rock,
Speaker 1: all the Decepticons. When that record will go Vic and
Speaker 1: I was dancing with like ic Us the siren. Yeah, yo,
Speaker 1: call that sounds chaotic. They call that to kill the
Speaker 1: white man noise. Fifty don't you called it? Fifty cent?
Speaker 3: Would tap me the original fifty cent with me. Go
Speaker 3: get off the floor, search, get off the floor, go
Speaker 3: to the ball. Yes, yo, it was rap.
Speaker 5: That and ghosts probablys and and ultra magnetic Wow, antip villain,
Speaker 5: top billing, top billion would do it.
Speaker 3: It's a terrible era. It will great. I mean it
Speaker 3: was the greatest error ever. I would go back to
Speaker 3: that story light video. Look they pulled you up immediately.
Speaker 19: Yeah, right then, oh ship that is you look at
Speaker 19: you when you yeah, and the funny thing is on
Speaker 19: the same way there than I am now.
Speaker 3: Like literally, I'm in the best shape of my life.
Speaker 3: Shout out the shout out to my man.
Speaker 5: And the cold Crush is the most healthy man in
Speaker 5: hip hop, like.
Speaker 3: The health and hip hop. Oh yeah, we see ham
Speaker 3: over in the ice. M uh. You know, honestly, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go with MC Hammer. I guy to pick Tom hamml.
Speaker 3: I gotta go Hammer because you know, because you can
Speaker 3: say what you.
Speaker 1: Want about Hammer, but Hamma legitimately like cared about the culture.
Speaker 1: Like one of the things that I love that Chuck
Speaker 1: Dy's wife used to say all the time, which Chucky's
Speaker 1: would always say that Hammer is the only rap artist
Speaker 1: that plays in my house.
Speaker 3: I respect Hammer like a motherfucker bro to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, I think because he didn't play hip hop
Speaker 3: in the house.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't even play public Enemy, but she played see Hammer,
Speaker 1: meaning meaning that for her Hammer's music and how he's
Speaker 1: safe for the kids, and just it felt like.
Speaker 3: Music that the whole family could enjoy.
Speaker 5: I remember Hammer said some ship like Yo hotown three
Speaker 5: five seven so more on third base, third base went
Speaker 5: double wood.
Speaker 10: Yeah, double wood, we went double yeah. Let's not forget
Speaker 10: Hammer was a real last dude too. His brother brother,
Speaker 10: his brother Louis Barrell. Yeah, Louis Barrell Hammon said with
Speaker 10: double wood.
Speaker 3: Double wood. Yeah, he said, we went doublet three five
Speaker 3: seven soul More Records at the third base of it,
Speaker 3: did we went double wood?
Speaker 5: Shout out to him, yeah, man, shout out to still
Speaker 5: the Holy Ghost Boys who got boot off the stage
Speaker 5: of the lack of Quarter.
Speaker 3: Who's that that was? That was his his group.
Speaker 5: His new music seminar I think was eighty seven eighty seven,
Speaker 5: he performed at the Line Quarter Paradise will tell you.
Speaker 3: Wow, but no remorse for vential lies that on the
Speaker 3: fuck it Yeah, pick drink, go ahead.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I actually think the lies actually cares about hip
Speaker 10: hop as well?
Speaker 3: Is his name Pappy Robert van Winkle? Oh, I know
Speaker 3: as I heard. You don't think you know I used
Speaker 3: to love you, n like I love you. You don't
Speaker 3: think he cares how long we go back?
Speaker 5: You know, I don't think I heard that Vanellas has
Speaker 5: a house that's an entrance to another house, so that
Speaker 5: you know whoa.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 5: You got a lot of big house, you know, a
Speaker 5: lot of so he doesn't care about.
Speaker 3: Okay, we made friends with hand and let's make friends
Speaker 3: with No.
Speaker 1: That's fine, you want to to I'm just saying no, no, no,
Speaker 1: if I'm toasting, no, no, no, it's not a problem.
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with any human being anymore.
Speaker 3: Like literally, I have no problems with anyone. It's not
Speaker 3: a problem. But you don't you really don't think that
Speaker 3: he ever cared about hip hop? Absolutely? No, really absolutely
Speaker 3: you think that was all a gimmick. I believe that
Speaker 3: he saw an opportunity and he took it. Really, you
Speaker 3: don't think he ever cared as a human being about
Speaker 3: I don't think he understood what the culture was that
Speaker 3: you still he wants to drink. He's feeling, he's with
Speaker 3: his man. The legendary d m X is d J
Speaker 3: d j LS one is here. He's having. We got
Speaker 3: another legendary DJ cups in. You know, a lot of
Speaker 3: legends in him. Man we behold.
Speaker 1: So we say that he doesn't give him you know,
Speaker 1: let me ask you though in fitness, because I really
Speaker 1: did like that starts words just be you don't think
Speaker 1: but not an ice kid about hip hop at one point.
Speaker 3: Not even a little bit, a little bit, a little
Speaker 3: bit a bit.
Speaker 5: I mean when that when that record came out, I
Speaker 5: think the first time we heard Ice Ice Baby, we
Speaker 5: went that Detroit.
Speaker 3: Station dancing a little bit to it. He was like
Speaker 3: the Detroit station where you have to go all the
Speaker 3: way up on the building, like the sixtieth floor that station,
Speaker 3: And oh you did you did?
Speaker 5: One thing about that record is the sample is dope.
Speaker 5: That's something that we would have flipped David Bowie super away.
Speaker 3: You're kind of mad, like ah, he grabbed that ship.
Speaker 1: But the thing was he didn't take credit for it,
Speaker 1: which makes him super wacky. He didn't take an interview samples.
Speaker 1: He said, oh the David Bowie s call clean doom doom,
Speaker 1: my ship goes doom, doom doom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that was why.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but again that's if we're talking about the same
Speaker 10: we were talking about poking Big as a young man.
Speaker 3: Maybe he was just ignorant that went.
Speaker 1: But again, again my perspective, when you show growth, right,
Speaker 1: I was like, I have to quote chub Rock, because
Speaker 1: chub Rock, the great prophet, the best vogue, first ever
Speaker 1: creaking on the grill.
Speaker 3: You know what he said in the grill?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said he could wrap his lips around something.
Speaker 3: Right, I'll leave it at that, and we'll leave I mean,
Speaker 3: don't leave it at that. No, no, no, no, weird
Speaker 3: no no no. But the point is he got weird. Again.
Speaker 5: Listen, Treuve Rock's verse on that record is one of
Speaker 5: the most underrated verses all time, without questions, but but
Speaker 5: shout out to Trevor Rock, one of the most underrated
Speaker 5: seas of all time.
Speaker 3: So I just think that, like when you look at.
Speaker 1: Again my perspective, I owe this culture everything like not
Speaker 1: just like I would be selling shoes at Nordstrom, Like
Speaker 1: I would not have a life, right, I would not
Speaker 1: have Echo. I wouldn't have had new Vaute, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 1: I would have been a shoe salesman period in a conversation,
Speaker 1: or a chicken delivery or a chicken delivery gun. I
Speaker 1: would have been delivering pizza. I delivered chicken. I had
Speaker 1: no skills. Hip hop gave me my life. Pop Goesluisa
Speaker 1: was such an important record for us, not because we
Speaker 1: wanted a pop record, there was an intent to that record.
Speaker 1: Hip Hop got turned into hip hop. The second record
Speaker 1: was number one on the Pop Tart. But don't skid
Speaker 1: on the heart that got it started in the ghetto.
Speaker 1: Let no one forget about the hard part. Now, when
Speaker 1: ninety one we got a new band, a new brand
Speaker 1: looking like the aim Old Clan Samuel Thieves to Steve,
Speaker 1: we got to make sure the real rappers got to
Speaker 1: endure Watco on points in one period, appear in a
Speaker 1: complex structure like a pyramid.
Speaker 13: Bro.
Speaker 3: We cared that much that we were like, oh, let's
Speaker 3: take the most.
Speaker 1: Obvious record, go to pop stations and tell them about
Speaker 1: thirty fucking recosition.
Speaker 3: Fuck us, forget about us.
Speaker 1: We would come with Daylight, we would come with Naughty,
Speaker 1: we would come with Black Sheep, we would come with
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa. We'd come with Money, Money in the Middle.
Speaker 1: We'd come with Chubb Rock Special Led. We go to
Speaker 1: the Z one hundreds, we go to the Bezzs in
Speaker 1: fucking Pittsburgh. We go to Kiss FM in La biggest
Speaker 1: pop stations in the world. We're number two, number one
Speaker 1: most requests, and be like, here's about thirty fucking records
Speaker 1: you should be playing. Don't play Mocky Mark, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Mark Wolberg, don't Here's one hundred other records, right, And.
Speaker 3: They're like, haha, here's been the lies.
Speaker 5: But also we respect all the people came before us
Speaker 5: who late n foundation. I mean when we did Rapmania
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety where with her Lovebug Stars right and
Speaker 5: all the cubs. Boy, that was And they considered that
Speaker 5: the fifteenth anniversary hip hop in nineteen ninety, saying that
Speaker 5: it started in seventy five, like Ban Bada heard Van
Speaker 5: Silk and then got together.
Speaker 20: They said, seventy five is the starting day in the
Speaker 20: street and break you know, yeah, yo, And so so
Speaker 20: it's like, Yo, so, how you're gonna have a dude
Speaker 20: who's like and then he.
Speaker 1: Says he's from one place, but he's from another, Like
Speaker 1: you know, you talked about it like a little while ago,
Speaker 1: we were talking about like, you know, really repping where
Speaker 1: you're from.
Speaker 3: There was no authenticity there.
Speaker 1: And then like four years later he's got dreads and
Speaker 1: he's trying to make a record about Colts.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, stop that bullshit.
Speaker 1: Man, Like just it's because and at that point there
Speaker 1: was so much great hip hop out Redman, Method Man,
Speaker 1: Wu Tang Nah's Biggie most just came out.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: I just think that like there was a level of
Speaker 1: credibility that just never he never ascended to. And great
Speaker 1: he hit a lick, but good for him. It's kind
Speaker 1: of all worth it. With the Shug Night story, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Forgot and he is worth it. Just it keeps changing
Speaker 3: even to Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, like, for me, when you look
Speaker 1: at like artists, right, and you look at artists overall,
Speaker 1: you want them to have some credibility, right, some integrity
Speaker 1: when they do what they do.
Speaker 2: M hmm, I don't leave it at dead. So you
Speaker 2: now that you're leave it at debt m J m
Speaker 2: g K or insane cloud box.
Speaker 3: Oh m g k K m g K m g K.
Speaker 5: I wasn't none of that ship.
Speaker 16: Yet.
Speaker 3: And there it is best answer. Take a shot, just
Speaker 3: goes down with yeah, that was just Yeah. You might
Speaker 3: have to add drinking. Actually, I think that should be official,
Speaker 3: like a rough of the whistle moving forward. I don't.
Speaker 3: It's a part of the show. Now all right, that's
Speaker 3: straight from Beverly Road. Um, hey man, you took my
Speaker 3: words out of them up, that's what she said. You
Speaker 3: took my man?
Speaker 21: You or Buster Rungs? Yeah, jesus, yeah, I'm both. Oh
Speaker 21: we figured that. Wow, let's ask you for It's tough.
Speaker 5: For me because Rosenberg and Eminem were donating one of
Speaker 5: the rat boy costumes to the hip hop you got.
Speaker 3: I have a little like conflicted right there.
Speaker 5: You know, well, I think your boy Jonathan Manion has
Speaker 5: some of Buster's dreads.
Speaker 3: That we do in the music him. He does got
Speaker 3: dreads from Jonathan Manyon from Buster. Yeah, so you got
Speaker 3: bird tie. I'm to say a tie there. Okay, now
Speaker 3: now tie no ties in runs.
Speaker 10: Drink?
Speaker 3: What do you mean we're not drinking versus because you
Speaker 3: cannot say anything. You're the summer guy. That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: I want to I want to watch drunk a try
Speaker 3: called quest or brand newbie. Fuck you whoa get the word?
Speaker 3: I love this guy. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: love this guy.
Speaker 18: That's okay, Jesus, I mean try Trump Queens got said
Speaker 18: drive okay, okay, and.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to because that's what she said. Let's
Speaker 3: be almost Yeah, bro, well deserved, well done. I got
Speaker 3: this one. No, of course you do, doctor Dre, or.
Speaker 10: Any criteria and if you got us wow, any criteria
Speaker 10: and you can't answer first.
Speaker 3: They go to you, God, bless you, God bless you.
Speaker 3: Do you love me time?
Speaker 22: Okay, Jesus, Christy answer first? Okay, So now I'm the tiebreaker, right,
Speaker 22: so be it, doctor Dred, Doctor Dre. I don't think
Speaker 22: we don't.
Speaker 3: All right. Last one, you got it, buddy, loyalty or respect.
Speaker 1: My perspective, oh father, the way my father raised me
Speaker 1: may rest in peace is you cannot have loyalty without respect.
Speaker 1: You can have respect without loyalty, but you can't have
Speaker 1: loyalty without respect.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say loyal I would say recipe. I'll
Speaker 3: go along with search on that one. I'll go along
Speaker 3: with it me. If we're going to take a shot.
Speaker 3: We believe that it's both. You always believe respect for
Speaker 3: your pots.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: I love your pots, bro, because you can respect somebody
Speaker 3: but not be loyal to absolutely. But you can't have
Speaker 3: loyalty without respect.
Speaker 1: The one thing all of you guys have, all of
Speaker 1: y'all all ye, because I've been around all of y'all,
Speaker 1: is you have loyalty and the respect is built in.
Speaker 3: And that's why we came here first. So let me
Speaker 3: ask you, thank you.
Speaker 10: Hold hold up, thank you guys for coming here first.
Speaker 3: Goddamn, let me go quick use search. Let me ask
Speaker 3: you about rape. Whoa, whoa. I know what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: What I want to talk about rappers against phony entertainers.
Speaker 3: That's what she says, no outside, So so there's two stories.
Speaker 1: There's two great stories about that, right, So what he's
Speaker 1: talking about for those who don't know, on my my record, pod,
Speaker 1: I said I got a squad, right, A bunch of
Speaker 1: entertainers started rape rappers against phony entertainers. The label call
Speaker 1: me especially a couple of female executives, and said you
Speaker 1: cannot say rape on the record. I said, I didn't
Speaker 1: say rape on the record. I said rappers against Phony Entertainers.
Speaker 1: On the record, I used an acronym or ape. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you don't spell it out. Pardon but you don't
Speaker 1: spell it out. I said, I don't have to spell
Speaker 1: it out. I explained it on the next line. So
Speaker 1: fast forward a thousand years. I'm the first MC ever
Speaker 1: to perform at EPCOTCOT in Orlando. In Orlando, doing the
Speaker 1: Food and Wine Festival. It's a nice bag and they're like,
Speaker 1: we need you do one thing. You can't say rape.
Speaker 1: I said, no problem, I said, I started a group
Speaker 1: called Rappers Against Phony Entertainments.
Speaker 3: Right, So that's a so that so that that's what And.
Speaker 1: That's always been one of those things that when people
Speaker 1: hear it, they feel some type of way until I
Speaker 1: explain it, right. That's exactly why I asked the question
Speaker 1: that way, right, No, so people feel some type of way.
Speaker 1: But the second thing was the second thing though, that
Speaker 1: was really critical on this right derelicts a dialect speak
Speaker 1: came up with this idea of us being disheveled, right,
Speaker 1: looking like we fucking derelicts. The label said, no, that
Speaker 1: can't be the album covered. This could be a promo cover.
Speaker 1: Can't be the album cover.
Speaker 23: They're talking about this specific cover. He said, why, he said,
Speaker 23: it'll turn away your I'll get you, I promise.
Speaker 1: He just so on.
Speaker 3: My stuff.
Speaker 1: But the lab so, the label said it'll scare away.
Speaker 1: The Impulse Buyers album went golden thirty days.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So there was two things like and and you know,
Speaker 1: when I hear like the Kanyes of the world, or
Speaker 1: I hear the you know, the Drakes of the world,
Speaker 1: or I hear the kid Cuddings of the world. And
Speaker 1: when they say the label told me and I did blank,
Speaker 1: I'm like, good for you. Because labels don't know. They'd
Speaker 1: like to believe to play it safe like they know,
Speaker 1: but they don't know. The artist has to have the intuition.
Speaker 1: He had this intuition and was great that we should
Speaker 1: be there looks a dialogue, we should be homeless. We
Speaker 1: were in make up for how long.
Speaker 5: Was five or six for Saturday and live Yeah did
Speaker 5: the makeup for us and it was great.
Speaker 1: And we're playing in the cold and like having a
Speaker 1: good time and enjoying like the moment of like that, right,
Speaker 1: But to know that this dude who is the senior
Speaker 1: VP of marketing, and oh, I'm the big guy getting this,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, And we can't put this record out
Speaker 1: golden thirty days.
Speaker 3: Now what you gotta say? How about you go do
Speaker 3: your job? Wow? And we had a number one and
Speaker 3: we almost had a more one pop record with a
Speaker 3: record that said like we started rape Roberts against fortieth
Speaker 3: to say Jesus Christmas, and it played on fucking pop
Speaker 3: stations all.
Speaker 5: Over the country and we pretty much broke up in
Speaker 5: the middle of it right at the people because they
Speaker 5: were trying to push us just had rape.
Speaker 3: They were trying to push they were trying to push
Speaker 3: us more pop. They were trying to put us on
Speaker 3: all rape.
Speaker 5: You know, we would show up on the pop station
Speaker 5: and kind of flip on the host or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just slip on the home like here's an
Speaker 3: all format. Yeah, we're like, yo play this.
Speaker 1: Like when we were out ninety one kind of kick
Speaker 1: it was huge, your fucking black sheet choices yours and
Speaker 1: they weren't.
Speaker 3: Playing that shot.
Speaker 5: So we were like and even like we were gold,
Speaker 5: they were so hard to go gold back then. Like
Speaker 5: people don't even realize tribe used to.
Speaker 1: Open for us, like it's ridiculous, and now it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: why these are hit records and they're like, haha, we're
Speaker 1: gonna play.
Speaker 3: Some bullshit. But now how ninety seven is now I
Speaker 3: think technically a pop station.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like we've we've grown
Speaker 1: in such a way and the culture has grown in
Speaker 1: such a way where the things that we had to
Speaker 1: worry about no longer are worries, right, the challenges that.
Speaker 3: We had to have are no longer challenges.
Speaker 1: And the thing is so funny is thirty five years later,
Speaker 1: when I talked to like, you know, Big Daddy Kane
Speaker 1: and EPMD and Public Enemy and all the groups that
Speaker 1: are out and there touring, they talk about how much
Speaker 1: fun they're having on the road.
Speaker 3: Now they're talking about like.
Speaker 1: Being this age and like enjoying being on the road
Speaker 1: and having fans that at this age who come out
Speaker 1: and they are.
Speaker 10: It's like freedom thing though as well, Bro, it's being
Speaker 10: free before now.
Speaker 3: And your home my lovell right, yeah, your home my love. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I like it, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Let me ask you guys, KMD. You recently seeing Tyler
Speaker 10: pay homage.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a peep beach MF Doom? What is
Speaker 3: that lineage to KMD? And then you have MF. Doom
Speaker 3: and then he passes and then he's this phenomenon. Now, well,
Speaker 3: I mean for me, I met Doom when he was
Speaker 3: fourteen years old, you know, I mean for people who
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 10: Remember you're talking to us, No, no, no, all right,
Speaker 10: so you don't know what KMD is, right, So what
Speaker 10: that whole thing is with third base?
Speaker 3: Right? So even before third base?
Speaker 1: So when I had my solo record out Indie Records,
Speaker 1: I used to hang out Long Beach, Long Island, and
Speaker 1: I used to hang out with this kid I met.
Speaker 1: I met Brandon what Up and his man Otis and
Speaker 1: they had a whole crew called GYP, which became my crew,
Speaker 1: and it was mister hoodhim Diego, and then we would
Speaker 1: all go a haircut from this kid named sub Rock, right,
Speaker 1: and it was sub Rock and Daniel Dumalay aka Art
Speaker 1: and they were brothers, right, And Doom's name at the
Speaker 1: time was zeb Love X. So it's him it with
Speaker 1: sub Rock and the boy on ITX. And I always
Speaker 1: told them. When I get on, you get on. Like
Speaker 1: when I make it, you make it. So we had
Speaker 1: a term around our like little crew called a gas face,
Speaker 1: which was the face that girls made when we go
Speaker 1: to mall and try to get a number, and they
Speaker 1: would look at us like and we're like, damn, we
Speaker 1: spend all that gas money and get that face, right,
Speaker 1: And that's how we got That's how.
Speaker 10: It works that it's not they gave you the gas face.
Speaker 10: Is you spent the money on gas to get that face.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's how the and then we just kind of
Speaker 1: condensed it to gas I think admitted that it was
Speaker 1: another kid who first started using it.
Speaker 3: And then but that's not using it.
Speaker 5: But that's how that's where it came from. Started taking
Speaker 5: me out to Long Beach. But he he was going
Speaker 5: after Long Beach with doing with the MLK Center. That's
Speaker 5: where didn't you first meet with them?
Speaker 3: Ok? Center? Yeah, we all met it.
Speaker 5: And that ties into public enemy because Ray and Spectrum
Speaker 5: City were putting together those shows and T Money and
Speaker 5: all them MLK.
Speaker 1: Center, so Graham Master, Reggie REJ and the Playboy Club
Speaker 1: and like all these local like DJs.
Speaker 5: But you understand, these kids were mad young, So I
Speaker 5: don't think like search was hanging out with like twelve
Speaker 5: year old no, right.
Speaker 1: But I met a notice from my age, like I
Speaker 1: Med was like I was like the oldest one. Right,
Speaker 1: So we get on albums ninety nine percent done. First
Speaker 1: you put on we had a contract with a med notice.
Speaker 1: Remember that they had to finish school, right, and they
Speaker 1: were going.
Speaker 3: To be a dancer. You had a contract with cam
Speaker 3: Dy with a med notice from GYP.
Speaker 1: So it was a whole crew of them called GYP,
Speaker 1: and we were dancers like the back of this.
Speaker 3: So just understand the whole crew and involved. Cad Or came.
Speaker 3: Let me show you they were all together. See this.
Speaker 3: You see this cover right, this was on Med's basements.
Speaker 3: This is GYP. That's GYP. This is old GYP. The
Speaker 3: people behind you old GYP.
Speaker 1: Right and right here is Onyx and there's Doom and Faith.
Speaker 1: This is a whole crew that's g y P.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 3: We ran all over New York, right.
Speaker 1: I used to go out there with you. So we're
Speaker 1: finishing the album. We just did Brooklyn Queens. We they
Speaker 1: got this other beat. I was like, yo, we should
Speaker 1: do gas fas No.
Speaker 5: But but even before that, We took Doom and Subrock
Speaker 5: into the studio with the Bomb Squad when we were
Speaker 5: doing Step into the A. M. An Oval Office, which
Speaker 5: is before the album.
Speaker 3: Either came out. Everything.
Speaker 1: Remember saying Doom because Doom was not a well he
Speaker 1: was That wasn't a no, no, it was a thing.
Speaker 1: Because his name is Daniel dum He was already we
Speaker 1: always called we did not always called him, always called
Speaker 1: was always called, always called him Doom. Okay, yeah, because
Speaker 1: that was his last name, Daniel Dumala, So he was
Speaker 1: always doomed.
Speaker 3: We always called him Doom. You're Doom and they had
Speaker 3: so that's where he evolves into this no well. He
Speaker 3: involved this other kid, Jade one down with them and
Speaker 3: they had a demo.
Speaker 5: That's the first time we heard the actual death because
Speaker 5: Doom would always right rhymes. He wouldn't spit them. We
Speaker 5: wouldn't hear a tape, but we would hear him.
Speaker 7: So he made before the mask made for They were
Speaker 7: both obsessed with production, so we we had them in
Speaker 7: with Shockley Vietnam in the studio.
Speaker 5: They're watching, they're learning things and they're taking that ship
Speaker 5: back to Long Beach.
Speaker 1: Done got some equipment, uh I forget what he had
Speaker 1: A nakais something like nine.
Speaker 5: I think he had s B twelve point twelve. And
Speaker 5: that's when he started making the first demos.
Speaker 3: And Jade One was in it.
Speaker 5: Then Jade one went out and then Onyx came in,
Speaker 5: and that's at the point where Prince Paul sent me
Speaker 5: just a cassette with some beats and that's where the
Speaker 5: gas face beat was on. So I gave it to Searge,
Speaker 5: gave it to Doom, and we had this idea, Yo,
Speaker 5: this could be the gas face. So we were on
Speaker 5: the Long Island Railroad going out to the Island media students.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but first we asked Doom. We were like, Doom,
Speaker 1: can we do the gas face? Because it was like
Speaker 1: a gyp thing, so we wanted.
Speaker 5: It wasn't even like it was like, Yo, we wanted
Speaker 5: let's do the gas phase.
Speaker 10: He's like, yeah, let me do it because that term
Speaker 10: was the cruise term, right, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure everybody was cool with it,
Speaker 1: but I was like, yo, if we do it, you
Speaker 1: got to jump on the record, right, And.
Speaker 5: We wrote the lyrics on the Jaloyle Railroad going on
Speaker 5: on the way to the Island Media.
Speaker 3: On which was Paul's studio where he was working.
Speaker 5: And rest of his Don Newkirk was in the studio
Speaker 5: with Paul, just hanging out and it was all spontaneous.
Speaker 5: The hold that when you hear the outtakes with Hammer
Speaker 5: and all that shit, all improvised, like off the top
Speaker 5: of the head, not even playing like Doohm had.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: The only thing that we planned was that Doom wanted
Speaker 5: us introduced a certain way, like the Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: Now everybody mc search. So he dictated that he actually
Speaker 3: wrote it out. I have Search. We all dropped the
Speaker 3: lyrics on the floor. I picked him.
Speaker 5: I still have the lyrics to this day, and I
Speaker 5: have Dooms handwritten handwritten instructure.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have the actual the actual search is lyrics
Speaker 3: where he crushed.
Speaker 5: It out my lyrics and we don't have Dooms because
Speaker 5: Dunes was in his one of his like Marvel rhyme books.
Speaker 3: And that's how it happened.
Speaker 5: And Don Nukirk kicked the intros and then we just
Speaker 5: went nuts and the whole Hammer thing came in there
Speaker 5: and the rest is history.
Speaker 3: I know it's not I mean, so so basically, you
Speaker 3: ain't gonna you gotta take a shot for that. It's
Speaker 3: get it. Hold on, let's wait, let's.
Speaker 1: Goin anyway, So after the record comes out, Dante, who
Speaker 1: is working with us, tss sorry Dante Ross.
Speaker 3: He got the gas base did you give him the gas? No,
Speaker 3: he didn't get the gas.
Speaker 1: So Dante went to Electro and we were like yo,
Speaker 1: we started a production company called Ramen.
Speaker 3: It's fundamental Riff. But before that we had leor.
Speaker 5: De signed to manage KMD with us with riff really,
Speaker 5: so we already had doing them right now solo solo,
Speaker 5: So we the first part was to try to get
Speaker 5: him on deaf Jam and Russell wasn't feeling.
Speaker 3: But cam D was considered like Edgy at that time,
Speaker 3: right well, they weren't.
Speaker 1: They were just unknown because it was just Zebelo Vex's
Speaker 1: verse on gas face.
Speaker 5: So everybody was like, you can't understate that because we're
Speaker 5: taking them on our senio, we're taking them on the
Speaker 5: road with cane Like Doom is out there, you know,
Speaker 5: like as a young kid like sub Rock would come
Speaker 5: out sometimes because he was still they were both still
Speaker 5: in school, but someone was like about two years younger
Speaker 5: and he was yeah, so Doom, Doom was out there
Speaker 5: more with us, and he experienced things that a kid
Speaker 5: his age would never experience.
Speaker 13: He was with Tupac on the tour. On the tour,
Speaker 13: he was with Tupac Yeah, yeah, Doom, Yeah, because we
Speaker 13: had zebel x on so with third Base. So when
Speaker 13: every time he did gas face, he came out.
Speaker 10: So how does that feel to see the way that
Speaker 10: Tyler revered him in this?
Speaker 1: And I mean it's incredible. I mean, you know, but
Speaker 1: the thing that no, it's not even weird. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 3: If his brother, sub Rock didn't die, there is no Doom.
Speaker 3: That's terrible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the point that Subrock passed, Like you say,
Speaker 5: that's why he donned the duom. Doom was depressed. I
Speaker 5: mean his he lost his brother.
Speaker 3: And the album Black Bass.
Speaker 5: Black Basterds, which you know, we we kind of split
Speaker 5: up up at that time.
Speaker 3: I was managing KMD with Yeah and.
Speaker 5: Created the cover and it was they had the iconic
Speaker 5: like Sambo character which was a whole message, which was
Speaker 5: anti Sambo. That was the whole message. So he did
Speaker 5: this artwork where he had a hangman game.
Speaker 10: I remember that.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, let me tell you a great
Speaker 1: story I'm sorry, Please hold your spot because I love
Speaker 1: this story. When we were doing the video for gas Face,
Speaker 1: Doom and and sub Rock made k MD shirts.
Speaker 3: A handmaid like with a marker with the sambo.
Speaker 1: Lionel Martin from Classic Concepts was the video director, and
Speaker 1: Ralph McDaniels from Video Music Box. When they see it,
Speaker 1: they cut lights up and they're like, get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of here with that.
Speaker 3: Bullshit on your fucking face. Fucking samble, get that ship
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 1: This young man is talking to a grown man, educating
Speaker 1: him on what this face is, and within five minutes
Speaker 1: he was like, yay, you casta. But that was like
Speaker 1: the level that they both were on in terms of
Speaker 1: their frequency, like how they would put positive ions in
Speaker 1: the world, like how they would understand how to break
Speaker 1: down answer a lass stuff where you wouldn't feel like.
Speaker 3: A villain, right yeah, I mean like the way the villain.
Speaker 3: Yeah right.
Speaker 5: And at the time they're they're selling oils on the
Speaker 5: on the street with Doctor York and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: they're they're on that whole mindset, and you know, Doom
Speaker 5: coming up in that environment, you know, he just he
Speaker 5: was a deep thinker and when he made that album cover.
Speaker 5: There was so much thought behind it. So Havoc Nelson
Speaker 5: a Billboard looked at it and he didn't get it,
Speaker 5: and he wrote an article scathing, scathing, saying that this
Speaker 5: was disrespectful to black people and ice teas cop killer
Speaker 5: controversy had just happened with Warner and elections under Warner.
Speaker 5: The next thing, you know, it's like an avalanche with
Speaker 5: Sylvia Ron and all these people are against it. Next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, Bob kras was telling Dante the album, we
Speaker 5: just mastered the album. They already paid all the money
Speaker 5: and it's ready to go. The single is already out.
Speaker 5: What a niggy know, it's already been released promo and
Speaker 5: it's already.
Speaker 3: Out on the radio. And they dropped the whole shit,
Speaker 3: so dropped them.
Speaker 5: Sub Rock had already passed away, So this was almost
Speaker 5: like a tribute to sub Rock because he had done
Speaker 5: so much of the production. He came into his own
Speaker 5: as an MC on the album. And I remember just
Speaker 5: being at uh the memorial service, you know, where Doom
Speaker 5: was playing the album like next to Subrock's casket. Wow,
Speaker 5: and it was it was deep and the fact that
Speaker 5: Doom lost his brother, lost his career. Like I tried
Speaker 5: to get that album signed to Death Jam Tommy Boy,
Speaker 5: no one would touch.
Speaker 3: He wasn't wearing the mask yet, no no mask whatsoever.
Speaker 5: And you know, Doom went to d C, he went
Speaker 5: down South, he went, he was all over the place
Speaker 5: and he disappeared for a while. Like there were a
Speaker 5: number of different He was hanging out a lot with
Speaker 5: cm CM Curious, Georgie and all them, and at some point,
Speaker 5: you know, he re emerged back at the you know,
Speaker 5: the new a Rican uh you knows cafe, and that's
Speaker 5: where he came with the sock over his head.
Speaker 1: That's that was the start of him. Remember the white
Speaker 1: to the very first white m see Vanilla b in Kio.
Speaker 1: He designed the mask really and Doom.
Speaker 5: But it's crazy, this is the whole like journey, like
Speaker 5: he met Suburck through Doom through Babito, like you know,
Speaker 5: Babito went on to Death Jam through us. It was
Speaker 5: just this whole circle. And then Blake actually designed the
Speaker 5: first mask for doing which was I think it was
Speaker 5: going to the wrestler.
Speaker 3: From the Yeah, something from the wrestler, Yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: He like customized it. That was the first mask which
Speaker 5: I think when they somebody sat on and broke it.
Speaker 3: Operation Doomsday came out, and that's that's the start of
Speaker 3: m F. Doom.
Speaker 5: So then reinvented his whole persona and just lyric lyrically,
Speaker 5: you know, he was always way above, always the grade,
Speaker 5: and then he just took it to a level.
Speaker 3: And then that was signed up. Having the mask came
Speaker 3: from him losing his brother.
Speaker 1: Part of it, I think, again my perspective, it was
Speaker 1: just my perspective, right.
Speaker 2: A lot of people, let me just ask you, a
Speaker 2: lot of people thought that when they went to an
Speaker 2: Doom concert they didn't know if.
Speaker 3: Or not if that was him or not.
Speaker 5: Well, because because it was somebody else at different times.
Speaker 5: I even had a couple of guys from Guy P
Speaker 5: I think they went to Sony, I mean that's Sony
Speaker 5: Theater and Doom walked by him with the mask and
Speaker 5: didn't even acknowledge him. And I said to him, well,
Speaker 5: that may not have been actual Doom, you know, it
Speaker 5: could have been.
Speaker 3: It could have been the cover.
Speaker 5: Now, the other full circle story is Rich called me
Speaker 5: like what two thousand and twelve or ten or eleven,
Speaker 5: with the mask.
Speaker 15: I had started battling the game under persona called Lord Raven.
Speaker 15: And I remember when I went to Atlanta and I
Speaker 15: did this party. I was with Doom and I told
Speaker 15: him about the mask and stuff, and after that he
Speaker 15: started doing it.
Speaker 3: And so he asked Rich to.
Speaker 5: DJ for him on tour on a I think a
Speaker 5: world tour, right, yeah, something like that. And then I
Speaker 5: think he had a problem with you know, passport stuff
Speaker 5: like that, because Doom even when he traveled with us. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and he was born in England, so he still had
Speaker 5: the English passport. You guys used to get detained all
Speaker 5: the time when we would go. So doing was British
Speaker 5: doing was born in Vergine.
Speaker 3: Find out bro learning some ship, learned some ship. So
Speaker 3: rest peace doing. But how dope is it to see?
Speaker 3: It's incredible?
Speaker 10: Ty, the creator pay Homage said everybody, I mean, there's
Speaker 10: so many people this.
Speaker 3: Is I mean, but like your you know ahead, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: he's revered. It's crazy. But recently, like in recent time
Speaker 3: he died. There were fifteen full train burners that when
Speaker 3: in countries that would never even allow graffiti to leave.
Speaker 1: The fucking tunnel that rocked for weeks, France, Shanghai, Tokyo,
Speaker 1: places that they buffer for the ship even leaves the tunnel.
Speaker 3: People that get caned killed put in jail them, ships
Speaker 3: rocked for weeks. That's the impact of man in Peace.
Speaker 3: Broe Peace got that with Amanda.
Speaker 2: Going through You guys disciography is a song called Brooklyn
Speaker 2: Queens Right now, I can't.
Speaker 3: Tell was that something that was dedicated to Brooklyn Queen's Day.
Speaker 3: You remember that.
Speaker 2: Fresh Meadow Park and it was called Brooklyn Queen's Day.
Speaker 2: But it was a bunch of Queens dudes. I don't
Speaker 2: think Brooklyn never came out, but it was called Brooklyn
Speaker 2: Queen's Day in Queens? Was that record a homage to that?
Speaker 5: So when me and Search first signed to Rush, Search
Speaker 5: was in the studio working with Sam Sever. I was
Speaker 5: working by myself. Rich was in farming Dale was trying
Speaker 5: to get Rich to come in. Dante called up Sam Sever.
Speaker 5: I was I wasn't a producer. I needed some help
Speaker 5: on the beat. Sam sever came in to help me.
Speaker 5: So Brooklyn Queens was one of the songs that me
Speaker 5: and Rich had done first.
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, we did the first demo with Functions Lives
Speaker 1: didn't sound anything like.
Speaker 5: Exactly so, but then as you know, Private the environment
Speaker 5: was on Search's original demo, So we kind of like
Speaker 5: brought each of our catalogs of songs together and then
Speaker 5: we flipped Brooklyn Queens as you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it always kind of felt like it was.
Speaker 3: Remember that was one of the biggest things.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: That was the first time I ever seen Akanelly and
Speaker 2: Nas performed together. There was a thing called Brooklyn Queen's Day,
Speaker 2: and I went and I seen them and I was
Speaker 2: like I had seen them in the neighborhood so many
Speaker 2: different times. I was like, Oh, these guys rap and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, that's where the fuck these
Speaker 2: people are, right.
Speaker 5: And it was kind of more even about like LaToya
Speaker 5: by just nice, like yeah, Brooklyn Queens.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was like one of those yeah, like we were
Speaker 3: kind of doing females. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: It was like all about like you know, meeting a
Speaker 1: girl from Brooklyn when you're from Queens, right, like especially
Speaker 1: from for Rockaway, Like that's kind of like a status symbol.
Speaker 1: Like if you if you scoop a girl from downtown Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: like you're doing something, you really doing something. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like we didn't really have it, like you where you
Speaker 1: had daddies in Left Frack like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like we you know, we
Speaker 1: had to really troop out and find like you know, and.
Speaker 3: Just the whole name of the song.
Speaker 5: Like I lived in Long Island, I lived in Queens,
Speaker 5: went to school in Brooklyn, So it was just that
Speaker 5: whole context of Brooklyn Queens.
Speaker 24: And I mean it could have been very easy because
Speaker 24: because because Berlin Queens were very compared to hallm and
Speaker 24: the Bronx.
Speaker 5: But at the time Brooklyn and Queens took over hip
Speaker 5: hop with Rudinia Runny mc. So like you had the
Speaker 5: I Love that, that's that that was like the biggest
Speaker 5: shift in hip hop.
Speaker 3: So there wasn't no Harlem and bros.
Speaker 5: Like that, well there was, it was that was that
Speaker 5: was a shift with them and with Rush I mean,
Speaker 5: because that's what Russell did. And Russell started in Harlem
Speaker 5: with Hollywood, like Russell started promoting Hollywood and like DJ
Speaker 5: Hollywood DJ Hollywood nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 3: It was like the bust cross over hip hop.
Speaker 5: DJ exactly exactly. And you know a lot of people
Speaker 5: say Hollywood isn't hip hop. Hollywood was the biggest rap star.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go step ball night with my honey,
Speaker 1: bum give me some of that yum me young one
Speaker 1: them before I go to way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell the fun. He's looking on the Georgia. Georgianamos
Speaker 3: be smashing right now.
Speaker 5: He was getting five hundred dollars a show for maybe
Speaker 5: like a half hour at every club, doing like five
Speaker 5: clubs at night, twenty five hundred dollars a night, and
Speaker 5: we got the contracts to prove it.
Speaker 2: Yoh crazy, that's legendary. I want to take a shot
Speaker 2: just because again.
Speaker 3: Let's go and take the picture. I think. I think
Speaker 3: shots are necessary shots and pictures.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm being honest. Hold on, it's so great, man.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy giving you all brothers, yr Flowers. I
Speaker 2: enjoy this man, y'all continue to do this ship.
Speaker 3: And you know what.
Speaker 2: You know in sports and ship like that, you know,
Speaker 2: you blow your achilles hell, blow your fucking knee out
Speaker 2: or elbow, or get a concussion.
Speaker 3: We kind of don't get that as in hip hop.
Speaker 3: We get it mentally.
Speaker 2: If we can overgrow that and we can do this
Speaker 2: ship for the rest of our life, this the rest
Speaker 2: of them life, you know what I mean? Continue to
Speaker 2: be great because the one thing that I noticed with
Speaker 2: me being in my own ship is when I wasn't doing,
Speaker 2: you know, doing certain things, it's people that really have
Speaker 2: that responsibility to want to be a part of us.
Speaker 2: So there's a whole bunch of lost third base fans
Speaker 2: that were happy right now. It was like, oh, right
Speaker 2: back to and they got the same d J like like,
Speaker 2: I'm one of them, I'm one of them. You everybody
Speaker 2: will say, I'm wondering them after that, come on, like,
Speaker 2: are too young.
Speaker 3: In there? One of that Christmas one of them? Like
Speaker 3: all these young started again again said I'm wanted. I'm
Speaker 3: one of them. I know Sonny is one of them.
Speaker 3: Sony is one of them. We all stay together, one
Speaker 3: two three, in a couple of drops.
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