WEBVTT - Episode 441 w/ 3rd Bass 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.000 He is drinks Chants, Motherfucky podcast, make si. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.919 He's a legends every queen's rapper. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:18.640 He ain't say greed as your boy in O R 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.960 eight's a Miami Hill pop mioneer. What Ups d j 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.480 E f N? Together they drink it up with some 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.239 of the biggest players you know what I mean. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.160 And the most professional unprofessional podcast and your. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.800 Number one source for drunk drinks post every day is 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:38.240 New year. See listen, It's time for drink champions. Drink up, motherfuck? 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.360 What it gonna be? Hob Swotter to me? This your 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.360 boy in O R E? What Up is dj E 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.400 f N? Listen to get library. I want to make 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:50.839 them know. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.720 That when me and anfl started this show, we said 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.400 we wanted to give the flowers to the legends, the 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.640 people who have been there for us, the people who 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.440 have been there that pave the way, the people who 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.399 are pioneers and people who are legend, the people who 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.080 are icons. These people have paid the way for me personally, 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.120 you know, from them putting on someone and putting on 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.920 someone and putting on me and all coming together from 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:17.640 my home burrow. 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:18.319 These an icon. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.240 When I see these brothers on stage here came down 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.760 my eye because I realized how personally I wanted to 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.640 see it. It's got nothing to do with hip hop, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.640 got everything to do with me. Like I personally as 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.039 a fan, it was like, yeah, motherfucker, you know, seeing 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.080 them on stage together, knowing the history and knowing that 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.600 they come back together, I humble myself and I believe. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.319 I made the phone call and I said, I want 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.400 to make this happen. I would like to be the 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.280 first people to have you brothers together on together and 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:46.320 give y all y'all flowers. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:47.400 That's the most important part. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.560 The most important part is not having y'all here, but 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.040 having y'all, letting y'all know that this is time to 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.160 praise y'all. It's time to show y'all how much hip 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.200 hop owes y'all. It's time to show show y'all how 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.200 much hip hop appreciate y'all and missus y'all. And in 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.040 case you don't know what we're doing, we're talking about 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:02.600 the one the motherfucker only. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.440 Wanted real cold someone let shirts pop because he likes 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.519 to do that. Yeah, that's that's that's that's what she said. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:19.080 By that, I'm gonna go with this one. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.800 I'm gonna go with this, like yes, yes, so Pete, 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:22.639 what's going on? My brother? 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.680 You haven't been you got this is how you know 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.680 you're a classic? And look at that? 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:27.000 All right? 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.520 So which one is this? This is a Monty Crisco. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:33.720 I can tell that a Leor Cohen Cuban pies of Dominicans. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.960 Right, we smoke Dominicans and Nicaraguans, but the Cuban soil 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:38.800 I think it's different. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.079 Yeah, you know, just catching up, but Leor put me 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:43.760 up on the Cubans. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.240 The woid of Mono rail way back. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:46.560 I used to only smoke Cubans. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.400 And which one is this one? That's a Monte Cristco? 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.480 This crystal ball is so okay? So what's the difference 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:52.800 between it? 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.760 This Monty Crisco and it has a New York label 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.080 than the regular Monty crist. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.880 I think I just was in Chicago. They had a 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:02.919 Chicago one, so I think, okay. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.920 So how long you brothers happen? They got to Brooklyn 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.400 got a book out of that? How long have you brothers? 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.000 Because I couldn't tell when you said you guys said 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.880 you wasn't on stage for thirty years together? Or if 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.760 that meant you guys hadn't seen each other in thirty years? 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.800 Is that? Is that a big difference? Really that long? 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:23.120 So I think Cassidy got a little excited. Okay I didn't. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:24.079 Yeah. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:30.120 So we have performed officially on stage together in probably 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.160 close to thirteen, twelve or thirteen years. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.120 We you can tell you from. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:42.040 I'm just you know. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.840 I saw nt do that and gold fingers Joffrey. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.880 So so yeah, so yeah, okay, can you what you said? 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.280 We got no more see it? I'm sorry, yeah, I 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.960 got I gotta let him know. Yeah, down to the 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.560 Thug Borough, that's no. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.600 But yeah, you know, so it really had become like 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.200 after that show. You know, life happens, you know what 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.360 I'm saying, like, and you know he was. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:17.280 After the recent show. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.440 Yeah, this was like twelve years ago. Okay, so yeah, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.839 so what happened? Well, go ahead, it was thirty. We 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.400 kind of do this every ten years. Okay, you remember 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.120 the first time? Reunite every ten years? Yeah, you know, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:34.120 say Adams, Yeah yeah, yeah, so so say it for 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.040 those who don't know, say did the Big Eie album, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.360 he did a third Base album, he did the Redman cover, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.440 he did Ready to Die like. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.159 He's I mean maybe regardless, you. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:48.720 Have an exhibit out here during the pavement, you know, and. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.000 He's actually in this show at the Museum of City 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.200 of New York right now too, Martin walk So say 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.800 somehow enabled the fact that he got me and Surge 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.360 are on the phone together. Are not knowing that we 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.080 were going to be on the phone together in nineteen 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.600 ninety nine, Okay, wow, And he got us to come 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:06.799 back and we did Woodstock. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.280 Wow. So we did work here. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:14.080 So what happened was so we at that time our 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.640 agent was also the guy named Johnny Podell. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.640 Okay, so Johnny's all City DJ. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.120 Cassidy's dad right, Okay, Cassidy dad dad no relation to 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:29.360 Burt Padell, No, like dad, I didn't know, so yeah, 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.880 so Johnny Pidell who used to book some Power Lewis. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.160 I didn't know that. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.200 So yeah, so R and William Morris that's Cassidy's dad. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.440 That's how actually me and Pete med Cassidy when he 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.080 was nine years old, when he used to come to 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.920 my house in Long Island on the way to That's 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.400 how we started DJing. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.839 And was lying when he told us that yeah was playing. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.560 We did a couple of records. Cassidy was like a 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:54.440 little kid in the studio. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:55.080 That's how I knew. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.800 So so he was like, Yo, do you guys want 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:58.600 to do Woodstock? 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.200 And we're like, why wouldn't we want to do Woodstock? 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:04.120 Like you know. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.760 But the thing that was really funny is they paid 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:07.880 us one thousand dollars. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:08.440 Wow. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.040 So I still have because I thought it was more. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.799 I still have the check that I didn't cash paid 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.080 to third Base, which I can't do anyway because there's 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.120 no account that says third bit for three hundred and 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:23.400 thirty three dollars and thirty three cents right everywhere. So 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.760 we go to we go to Woodstock to do Woodstock, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.880 and it's the opening day. It's like Thursday, and everybody's 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.520 all the way on one side, We're all the. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.040 Way on the opening stage. 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.760 What was fucking Delly George Clayton on the other side. 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:38.200 Wow. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.039 But later, right later, but we were like literally like 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:46.680 the opening for this stage. So DJ Eclips, who was 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.119 with us at time, he's just start spinning records House 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:53.440 of Pain rock him and all these people start moving 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.760 towards us, like moving towards us, moving towards us and 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:01.200 we rocked. We rocked, and then we went to Europe 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.960 for a little while, just some European dates, tried to 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:04.320 do an. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:11.880 Album stretching what we do, and then basketball always always 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:12.960 got basketball. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:20.000 Right and uh and yeah, we started recording for an 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.200 album called Cabot's Craning, which was always gonna be the 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.440 third Third Base album. 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.000 Just never happened. You know, life happens, you know what 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:26.480 I'm saying. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.480 But I remember at that time, I just didn't see 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.160 you guys together. But I never remember hearing rumors that 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.240 you breaking up. It wasn't too recently that we heard you. 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.960 Like it was like you guys wasn't coming together and 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.160 didn't see it you guys recently. So was there like 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.440 a certain thing that happened for you guys not to 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.640 be around, Because listen, I'm a part of a group too, 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.560 And I say, it's just me and Capone being together. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.920 It's the same thing as Wu Tang getting together. It's 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.360 not different personalities, even though. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:55.840 It like I noticed it. So I'm just asking you guys, like, 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:57.160 was was there something? 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.560 I mean, it wasn't that it was something I think 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.560 what for me at least, and I can just share. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.480 My perspective is that you know, I was in a 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.920 place where I wasn't really doing some great listening. Like 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.120 I can take responsibility for this, you said, Yeah. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.200 Like I wasn't. I just wasn't a great partner. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.680 You know, So at least for me my perspective, and 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.120 I can take the you know, I can admit my 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.640 faults and you know, say, this was the reasons for 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.080 the demise of our partnership. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.920 Was I was. I wasn't in a good place. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:28.880 I wasn't in a healthy place, you know what I'm saying, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.600 Like I wasn't listening, right, I was definitely basing a 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.959 lot of my decisions on ego, I was basing a 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.560 lot of my decisions. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.920 On like my wife and my relationship. 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.480 And you know, the truth of the matter was I 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:43.280 wasn't thinking the way a partnership think, right, So everything 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.760 was kind of off kilter for me. And looking back now, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.680 obviously because I love that Muhammad Ali saying like he says, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.719 if you're the same man at twenty four, then you 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.920 are fifty four. You wasted thirty years ago, right, So 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.240 I can sit now here being a little older than 0:08:58.320 --> 0:08:59.360 fifty four saying, you. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:08:59.600 Know, what. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.240 I'm not at that place anymore, and I can look 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:06.200 back and say I'll do I'm not going to be 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.200 that same person today, right, So a lot of those 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.440 are the reasons why, you know, we couldn't coexist, you know, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:14.800 and I have to have. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:21.520 To can't let that go? Okay, I love you saying that. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:22.160 That. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:22.680 That's big. 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.320 But also the fact that me and Rich when that 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.440 riff was there, we didn't think that Russell and the 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.560 Ore would actually even let it have like, you know, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.480 like let us flit up, because they could have forced it. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.080 But you know, they helped, you know, just they're like, 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:37.679 oh they want to do this. They made up their mind. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.280 You know. That was basically so. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.160 But listen, me and Rich had some of the same 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.679 things going on in search and uh. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:51.640 Which nice Rich. Ok Okay, that's right, that's right, that's right, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:52.120 that's right. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.920 So but uh yeah, so, I mean it's just maturing 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.640 over the years. Uh you know, I mean, but such 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.400 I had a a whole history even before before that. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.640 So that's the crazy thing about us going back to 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.480 when we met at the last quarter. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:12.439 So you know, and now you know, looking at it todayway. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.800 No, no, no, no, no, So he he was in Florid Park. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.480 I was in Far Rockaway, but we always ran into 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.000 each other, like we would cross our paths at the 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.720 latt Quarter. His first MC partner was a guy I went 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.679 to high school with who was like the first white 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.880 rapper ever, kidnamed Vanilla b A K. A. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:32.760 Key O, great graffiti artist Lad Scotch. Yeah, Blake Latham 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:39.680 and we got your move about it. I like to 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.840 say that the life, but that was the other. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.319 Thing that really was like to me was the a 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:50.120 PEX for me was Cassidy show was on November eighth. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.160 That was the thirty fifth anniversary of our album release party. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.920 Wow that Clark Kent DJ and Clark died and Clark 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.120 is really the connect tissue between me and rich and 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.120 Pete Dana Dane I went to high school with. He 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.760 was Clark's DJ, you know, was his DJ. You know, 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.480 Pete met Clark. They did a radio show together, you know, Rich. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:13.520 Stretch above Vito. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.199 We had the first show on WKCR, and then Clark 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.800 introduced me to Richie Rich, who you know, arguably the 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.000 best show DJ in the world. I mean, like we 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.960 we guarantee if you put Daddy Rich out there ten 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:32.079 minutes said on tour, You're guaranteed that the crowd goes Like. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.840 You remember this comedian, this Mexican comedian, like what was 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.720 his name, Rodriguez, Like he was Paul Rodriguez. Yea, Paul 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.440 had a big show, Like he had a talk show 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.320 that like NBC was putting soupid Money was the first 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.520 bilingual show after Rich did Our Sineo. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.079 This motherfucker built this. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.160 Shit with like cameras on all angles and like like 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:00.600 to watch him do his tricks, like like when Rich 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.640 battled in the World supremacy, like he did a forty 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.880 three unre vertical leap overturn table like I mean, like 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.319 without miss Ship, you know what I mean, Like you 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.360 know what I'm saying, Like so you know some Superman shit. 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.319 So Clock was the connector between all of us. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.960 So for Clock to die and not be here and 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.040 it's November eighth, and it's that thirty fifth anniversary and 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.599 it's just all those numbers made sense to me in 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.640 an album coming out, Like you know what I'm saying, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.360 Like and you know. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.240 I hate to do it good, but I'm just saying, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.440 you know, it's different right now, I'm just. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.800 Saying I'm just saying like you know what I mean, 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.720 So you know, you know, it's just it just made 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.360 all the sense in the world, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:50.000 and universal now like really stepping up releasing the record 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:51.920 the way it always should have been on the album, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.240 you know what I'm saying, Like, really it felt like 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.160 the right time. It just felt like the right time, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.400 especially because Cassidy in our history with his dad and 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.640 Kaz and like my family with him, like he's family 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.839 to me, Like my kids call him Uncle Kaz, you 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:06.240 know what I mean. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.800 So it's just made sense, you know what. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.520 I remember Chuck Dan, we were on roadich all got 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:13.319 money Now, that's what. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:19.840 That's what. So we were on tour with Chuck. We 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:21.040 were on toward Public Enemy. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.040 It was like Public Enemy Digital Underground, Big Daddy Kane, like, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.120 and we're in the South and I see that two 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:27.040 live crews on the show. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:28.920 And I used to love to like go up and 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:29.400 see you. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:33.439 Know, order time, set time, and I remember that I'm 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.280 looking at to run a show, and it would always 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.880 be like you know, Caine third Days, you blah blah blah. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.120 But it was always Public Enemy. So this show and 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.040 we're in like the middle of nowhere. I think we're 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.640 in the like Dad and rouge AA somewhere in New Orleans, 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.480 and it's bang bang bang Public Enemy two live crew. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.360 So now I'm hot. I'm you know, I'm like, yo, 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.120 what then see the no? 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.240 No, no, who the fuck would fuck this up? Like 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.840 Pe closes the show. I'm from New York, I'm a 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.040 queen starle bread. What the fuck you talking about? Ain't 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.240 nobody closing over a fucking Public Enemy? 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:09.280 And I'm mad? 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.559 So I run into like brother Mike and brother James 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.440 from you know that's one w's. I said, Yo, they 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.120 made a mistake. He said no, wow, And I said, 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:17.880 let me talk Chuck. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:23.600 Chuck comes out and as he says, he just said, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.080 he waved the tumble at me, did the tumble, and 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.640 he said, hottest group closes and he closed the door. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:32.720 That's all he said to me. And I said, what 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.520 the fuck does that mean? How does group closes? We 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.360 get on, We do our thing. King goes on to it, says, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.120 Public Enemy comes on. The fucking place is moving, whole 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:42.880 venue moving. 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:44.440 Man. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.960 The second they get off the stage, all of a sudden, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.000 there's about fifty cops all around the stage. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.640 For them for two live crew. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:59.480 Them boys come out, they get on stage and Luke 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.760 just says one thing, Hey, these motherfuckersre gonna throw us 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.640 in jail if we say any custoings, so we can't 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:05.160 do the custom. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:05.800 You do us for it. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:15.800 Hey, twenty two thousand people, they didn't Tao one fucking. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.360 One fucking word. Taught a bitch down, said, you know, 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:22.560 they didn't show one doesn't work. 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:27.240 I'm on one of the other shows. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:28.640 One of the other shows they did, but that was 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.800 because of fighting. There was an assault thing. But yo, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.600 it was crazy like and it made me realize, like 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.240 when you're on tour, hot to Scoop closes. When we 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.600 were on tour, like on during the dialect, we're on 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.080 the West coast with Cyprus, We're. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.760 Like, y'all close, y'all close, like because you know. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.200 When we brought them on, right, Yeah, when we brought 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.120 them on, Pigs was their first single. Like no one 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:54.720 was really fucking with it when we got to the 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.360 West coast, like that's all you heard. Every fucking sholo 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.280 was bumping that ship. So we're like, yeah, y'all close them, 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.440 So let me ask y'all. We had doctor Dre and 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.440 Snoop and doctor Dre I asked him for something. There's 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.680 something that's been been like kind of bothering me. 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.640 I was like, you said that the firm flopped and 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.960 I could literally see Doctor Dre put his head down 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.280 and he was like, I shouldn't have said that, right, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.800 And it's like, all these years later he regrets. Do 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.640 you regret putting certain people on the gas face who got. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.800 The gas pace? Obviously? Like you ever talk to Himmer 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:26.920 all this time? 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.480 Like, no, I mean, but honestly I think that, Like, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.160 and again, this is just me. 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.120 This is my path, you know. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.280 Eleven eleven twenty four, I celebrated thirteen years of recovery, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.120 right so, like. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:38.600 For like, so. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.400 One of the big parts of my maturity is making amends, right, Like, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.080 that's a big part of like being able to speak 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.000 to people and be able to make amends and say, look, 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.320 this is what I did wrong, this is the responsibility 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.120 I take from my behavior, and. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.160 This is how I act Differently. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.680 It's not about apologizing, because you can be a sorry 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.600 mother fuck your whole life if you don't change. So 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.280 for me, it's not about apologizing about Look, I acknowledge 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.960 I did this wrong and moving moving. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.800 Now, this is how I act differently, right, I. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.360 Would make amends to Hammel because I see it from 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.960 his side, right, I know, And I can honestly say 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:16.919 this for ninety percent of it. 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.600 Pete's line that shit was hard body. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.280 Like, let's be real clear, Like that lyric that he 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.440 dropped on Hamma's head is hard body. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:31.959 No, that's what he did. Date his records. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:37.520 Turn his mother out, hold the cactus, turn Hammer's mother out. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.040 Yo. That ship was hard body for us. 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.800 And I was arguing with him straight up on the radio. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:43.520 Ok, was. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.480 He sabotaged us and put ham All on Live? Right? 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.960 Well, he ambushed us, Yeah, ambushed us on radio. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.719 But the point was like we didn't think of that 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.239 line literally, because that's how MC's did. Like we had 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.359 double entendres all the time. We didn't think his he 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.880 would literally he take it like, yeah, we're talking. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:02.440 About his mom. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.800 Search is then taking it back to the essence taking 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.240 please it is nineteen eighty eight. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:07.840 I'm there. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.640 Before we had records out. Search would try to get 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.280 us on anything. So Search got us on the road 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:20.119 with Houdini judging a dunk contest in the full force 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:26.800 like basketball basketball game open and we're there with his dude, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.880 Greg Butler from the next and the other dude from 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:33.200 the Warriors that passed back then, and this little kid 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.920 comes on halftime, starts dancing and kind of like hammer 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.840 style boom then Hammer comes out right. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.000 And he had a Cadillac filled with so he was 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.240 pumping his music out of his cadillact this one. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:43.640 He was. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.919 What they called bull boy for the Oakland age. So 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.879 he had a Cadillac and he had a trunk full 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:52.679 of music and everybody was like, oh, that's the hottest 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:53.359 kid in Oakland. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.040 And you know search in the record he said he 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:02.000 had soul coming out his asshole. He he wanted to battle. Yeah, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.679 and James had no idea who the we were, and 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.199 he just like he just peeled us off. And we 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.399 actually caught him outside. He was in a bed in 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.359 a drop top bends with that kid Dante. Security picked 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:13.600 even got a picture, but. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:14.880 It is in his hometown. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.679 Yeah, so that was like, I mean, it was just 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.439 a playful, like it's like we all dance paddle back in. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:24.960 Right after that. 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.680 Like so we we actually were with him, met him, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.560 talk right in front of him. But then he just 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.200 run and then with the whole you're hitting. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.040 Yeah, you ain't hitting in New York and and. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.120 That's what got That's where that's where our whole of 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.120 hammer started. 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.119 And that's where we were just pretty much defending you know, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.280 the guys who created ship for us and. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.720 Rush and yeah, absolutely right, absolutely right. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.879 That's why you saw D m C and ms J 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.359 in the gas face kick that kick that fake but 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.440 something search you wouldn't have won the dance content. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.080 You ain't say I could do. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.600 I could jump through my leg I could jump to 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.119 the limb that dance. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:19.160 Don't care. I could dance my paradise. 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.560 Used to throw mustache at that cute first right before 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.280 he was rhyming out of the records out just with 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.960 the gold white boy, bring it, We'll bring it down. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.000 Yeah, I don't know. He would have got served. You 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.359 don't got it served? Yeah, you know he got in 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:35.920 the bay. 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.960 No, but I wasn't. I was really nice. We might 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:43.360 have to bring that day. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:49.919 But the point is, but the point is now you 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.480 know obviously where I am in my life today, Like 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.320 I would make amends to him because I know that 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.880 must have been like you never spoke to him never met, 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.200 never never spoke to him. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.280 That wow yea, And how about what you're talking about, 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:08.160 Leo cohones, Yes, el Roy, that. 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.080 Was did you have to make amends? 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.600 Because that's like, yeah, I mean that's like the first 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:14.080 dis record. 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.600 Well, first of all, do you know if ever that 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.040 someone want come to Leo the gas like whatever? He 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:20.640 still does. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.320 So he was, you know, so he was he got 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.440 the City of Light honor right, so it was all 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:34.760 the deaf jam that picassidy. He says to me, goes motherfucker. 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.560 They still call me el Roy motherfucker. No, he said 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:38.840 it like this, they still. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:40.439 Do. 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:46.400 You know they come to your mother. I know if 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:46.960 you search you. 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:50.359 Roy, you know what? 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:51.520 You know what's crazy about that? 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:52.520 He deserves every bit of it. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:54.800 You got that one. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.840 On one part of that, it's like Dan, you dissed me. 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.119 But on the other part of that, you made and 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.600 they live there forever too. So it's the good and 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.560 the bad. But how did this? How did le all 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:06.919 get the gas face? How does Elroy excuse me? 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:11.000 Well, you dealt with Leon? Yes, yeah, we go pleasure. 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.800 First of all, you go up into Leo's office. He's 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.679 got a big cutout of his fiance behind him, who 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.920 was a singer at the time, e k oh okay. 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.000 And you don't notice, Leo, you just right this is 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:23.600 to eight. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:27.880 Elizabeth Freig Moxley was his assistant. So he's like behind 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.200 him in a little back office and he's just screaming 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.280 at people. One time we did they had us do 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.840 a rape. They wanted us to do a rave in London. 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.840 In London, and there were literally like two Nigerian princes 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.360 who came. We were in the rush office with them 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:44.800 and they were pitching this whole thing, and. 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.639 Leo's like, I wanted to get twenty thousand Republican to 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.879 meet ten thousand for third Base, ten thousands of day 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:55.640 La Soul, and these guys are guaranteeing and everything. 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.639 And I actually had the other guys picturing this is 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:01.480 let me just let me, let me just. 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:05.040 Rewind real quick because there's an important yeah, rewind, Yeah, 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.440 this is one really important part of this. Public Enemy 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.640 were supposed to perform the night before and they had 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:15.879 a ray right, so they already paid Public Enemy and 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.840 they didn't perform. So he was like, if you want 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:23.760 them again, it's going to cost another another twenty five 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.960 thousand plus for this group, plus for this group. 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.080 And he's like, if you do not get the money 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.320 to me, I am you would be your father will 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:33.719 send you back to the bush. 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:40.280 And oh my god, he was brutal. 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.840 But let me just say he has one like literally, 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.760 when you talk about how we talk about the bag, No, 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.200 he had a bag, a brown paper bag, jimim guy. 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:57.919 No okay, a brown paper bag with fifty thousand bands. 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.320 And when he said to me and Peters they would 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.840 go back to the bush and get me my money 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:09.119 another time, No, no, no yo, And so I said, 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.160 So Pete leaves the room and. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:12.720 I go, Yo, can I get ten dollars to get 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:16.200 something to eat? And he feels me five dollars Leo. 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.920 So Leo made me some promisory notes, maybe even for 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:21.800 my first born. 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:23.919 Like he never lost the dollars to a rapper. 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:28.680 He never left the rappers. That dude never lost the dime, 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:30.840 He never lost the pig and the dives. Like man, 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:34.560 he never left a penny on the table. I remember walking, 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:39.879 Do you remember the man? Do you remember when Jazz 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.240 Jeff in the Fresh Prince had the one eight hundred number? Okay, 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:48.080 I'm talking about a stack okay, So Jazz Jeff in 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:52.160 the Fresh Prince one eight hundred where you could call 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:53.960 them and they would wish you a happy holiday. 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.199 Married Jones was the first nigga that did that. 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.119 He did he actually gave. 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:08.320 Yeah, we went into his office. 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:14.960 So we go into his office. There's a stack, a 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:16.280 stack of. 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:18.520 Checks made out to Jazzy Jeff and the Press Prince 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:22.080 twenty two, twenty four thousand, sixteen thousand. 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:23.280 A stack. 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.639 This had like he knew how to collect money. There 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.800 was one thing done on that. Yeah, but he was 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:35.160 a monster when it came to that ship. He never 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.159 left a penny on the table. And that's not a 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.200 bad thing, especially when he's working for you. When he's 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.159 working against you, it's a fucking moment. 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.560 So where you guys were the beef coman? How did 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:45.400 he get the gas face? 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.160 Like, no, we got the gas face was in the air. 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.640 Yeah, No, it was like he was like a turban dear. 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:54.439 But like, yo, David scrub It's. 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:56.640 Right, Dante needs a haircut, you know what I'm saying. 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.440 Like this, it was really like an inside shot out. Yes, 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:07.360 I saw them following him. Yeah, I get it. It's 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:09.160 like it's like you know, anybody. 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:10.760 Who got the gas face was real. I thought they 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:11.920 would never squash it with y'all. 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.240 Yeah, it seemed you were just roll calling people people. 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:20.120 Yeah, called the Leader of South Africa p w Bota click. 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:22.800 It was just fucking you know, it's ship. 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:30.160 But so, what is your what is your favorite era 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:33.600 hip hop? Damn well, I know what this is. 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.520 I'm one of the curators at the hip Hop Museum 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.960 with Paradise from Excelent Oh, so my life is. 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:40.520 Just hip hop history. 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:46.240 So I find myself as much as like nineteen eighty 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:50.120 six credits right at the time that every being Rock 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.040 Him came out, Like I would say that would be 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:57.040 golden era of the top like slice of time, but 0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.280 I really would if I had to go back on 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.119 time machine, I want to go back to like, you know, 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.840 seventy five at the Evil O with who herk, Park Ken, 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.040 all those guys DJ Smoke you well the guy, and 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:09.240 all these other guys who were pivotal in the history 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.440 of hip hop that no one knows about. 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:12.159 And no one knows that. 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:19.200 Yeah, yeah, you gonna do your job and get up. 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:24.000 But that's a Spike era, right, the Spikes and the 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.520 dark Glasses and no. 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.000 No, no, no, that that's really like the the A 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:34.240 J Lester you know him, you know uptown like colchar 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.040 Rock type thing. And like you know when when colclar 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:40.600 Rock tells people, you know her hert was from Jamaica. 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.040 He didn't know how to dress. I had to take 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:42.760 him up to town. 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.439 The album they say the other dul DJ with her, 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.280 but he also would talk HERK would talk too. 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:51.960 But they credit him to be one of the first 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.159 mcs exactly, and you know there were there were a 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.760 number of them, but Colk would say, I would take 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.280 them aj Lester to get the fly ship. And when 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:01.840 I was working with Hirt's brother and he had a 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.440 shoe box full of all these receipts and there's like 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.320 a cool Hurtz receipt from nineteen seventy five from aj Leslter. 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.840 So I showed it to Coke. He's like I told everybody, 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:12.600 I took there so that going back in a time 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.240 machine to that age would be for me, you know, 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.520 that would be the tops. Okay, So now with search 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:19.199 search would think, hold on. 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.960 Actually the Swiss beats cost tomorrow and he says, I 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.320 want you guys to do versus you guys picked your group? 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:26.120 Who you pick it? 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:28.200 Well, first off, I want to get Swiss beats and 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.560 Alicia Keys. They bought the cool Hurt speakers, which we're 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:34.000 actually in talks with them to try to loan them 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:36.560 to the museum. Oh wow, actually used within. 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:41.560 They actually got they got quired. Yeah, I never they bought. 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:45.680 And they have their Giants exhibition that's going around the country. 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:50.920 Hurts Herculos speakers are in that exhibition, but with diverses. 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.360 But with the verses. Yes, third base against who oh 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:55.400 third base? Yes? 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:55.640 Oh? 0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:58.080 Are you you go solo too? No? 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.560 No, no, no, I thought you were talking about not base. 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:04.680 Because in case days, I don't know, if you know, yeah, 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:06.600 let's see. 0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:08.160 I think. 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.880 X plan third base would be probably the. 0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.640 I don't think that. I think yeah, okay. 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:21.080 Now obviously we had you know, sugar Chef professor, but yeah, 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:22.920 that would be. I think that would have been because 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.520 as much as we have b for the X Plan, 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.480 I mean we both love Brother Jay like Brother j 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:30.800 it was like one one of our favorite mcs. 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.200 I think also there's a you know with La Mumba 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.480 May rest in peace and paradise. You know, there's a 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:37.600 lot of love there, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.200 even though they were like how can the bowler best 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.280 gorillas and like all of that ship, but I think 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:45.760 it was all like whole I mean, for me, it's easy. 0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.760 It's e pm D. I was thinking more a pm D. 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.440 Yeah, third Baking, apm D like to me, third base 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.480 and e pm D only because. 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:55.560 Smooth too. 0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.880 Nice and smooth would be great because we did records together. 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.960 To me, but you know, I think that it's really 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.080 challenging for us because at the end of the day, 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.520 where two albums deep, and that's the crazy ship. Like 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.840 if you think about the thirty five years, I. 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.160 Think they got one album right, one and a half 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.320 and that no one knows that right house party party, 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:20.240 No one knows that, you know. 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.480 But La Hill had one album, but she had also 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.560 but she when we say Laura Hill, yeah, no, that's true. 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.920 You can perform Fuji records. She can do Fuji records 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.280 and she got that big, big cap record when she 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.520 bodied that ship. She said, I'm for woman up to 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:40.040 make it that that that whole verse is crazy. But 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.600 to me, it's epm D move. To me, those are 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.280 both good. What about you if CNN got back together. 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.000 Who would you want to do versus against. 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:53.280 CNN CNN versy and it's none of us anyway, right, yeah, 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.720 just I'll beat it in your minds, in your like 0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.880 against the Spanish version of Norri and then right then 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:05.360 the version and then the pharal version versus the capon 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.760 and version of We can actually put it off and 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:09.120 we could be in the same state too. 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:15.720 Yeah, pretty impressive, cute that one. So is it time 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:16.760 for the flowers? Yes? 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:22.680 Our show was about giving legends they flowers while they 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.640 could smell them. They treats where they could help them, 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:26.280 they thoughts where they could think them, and they drinks 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.000 where they can drink them. We were so happy to 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.880 see you brothers back together, so happy because I said 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:33.800 this to doctor Dre and i'mna say it to you, guys. 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.000 I said to doctor Dre, life is better when he's 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.560 making music, and life is better when third bases in 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:40.520 the motherfucking game. 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:50.320 He owes me. That's just from making me go to 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.600 the house of fucking Athletes to sit in the room 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:53.360 for three hours. 0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:55.960 My god, I love this guy and it really is 0:31:56.000 --> 0:32:01.160 great you guys, but really, really, I really want to 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.480 see you guys on tour, like, since we're giving out flowers, Yeah, 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:06.840 I got something for y'all. Okay, okay, okay, since you 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.800 know we're giving out ship you're not taking back this record. 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:15.080 I just figured you want maybe one other one? Oh man, yes, 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.640 I want. So these two copies came out. This is 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:19.440 limited edition. 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.239 I got to crack it open, right, Okay, that's how 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:26.120 you crack it over Nintendo. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so you 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:27.800 might want to. I'm gonna let you check it out. 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.520 Okay, yes, yeah, he's gonna take it from me anyway. 0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.840 You're going to give it to me Green. Oh, he's 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:40.960 bullies my vity. That's a limited edition Green. That's beautiful. 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:42.760 So yeah, so the link on the bio link is 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:44.920 on my mc serves bio will be on Pete's bio. 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:46.320 You can go and get those right now. 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:48.840 And you said the original pressing of this, they only 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:50.800 did it on one one copy. 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.320 Yeah, it was forty seven minutes aside, and we had 0:32:54.360 --> 0:33:00.479 a frame it and the Clark oh yeah. Locke used 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.560 to complain about the grooves all the time, how thin 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.880 they were and how like the base would want well, 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.520 so we always talked about like, yo, there should have 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:08.280 been a double album. 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:11.720 I'm one of those deaths. 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:13.120 We never got double royalties. 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.240 Know we actually think you know what? 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.280 And and that's I want to shout out Monty Lipman, 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.040 and I do want to shout out the Libman brothers 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.600 because once they became the chairman's of def Jam, they 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.600 put me in Pete in the legacy program. So we 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.400 got our first royalty checks ever in thirty five years. 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.720 And August explain what that is the legacy So this 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.200 is so the legacy program basically means. 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:36.040 No, okay. 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.840 So it's basically this, if you signed a fucked up 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.880 deal before two thousand, they zero your debt. 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:41.840 Wow. 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.160 So that's basically it is only right. It's right. And 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:47.680 we signed to Left Hand Records. 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:47.920 I mean. 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:51.280 He told me. He's trying to tell me that I 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:52.160 didn't tell you. Seriously. 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.120 I thought he's bullshited me. I didn't do it, so 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:58.880 I have it. No, No, I thought that it wasn't possible. 0:33:58.880 --> 0:33:59.880 I thought he was sucking around with me. 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:03.800 The music industry is trying to do good. 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.400 For us, certainly for us, like I gotta be honest 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:13.000 with you and shout out like Charlene Thomas at Death Jam, 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:17.320 like She literally brought people from Hollywood to Hialiah to 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:19.600 get this vinyl here for y'all today. 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.680 Like, so shout out to Charlene, shout out to death Jam. 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.640 They fucking Erica all of the people. 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.279 There's people now that are running catalog like people that 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.000 we knew, like Tina Dynham used to be the head 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.759 of marketing who did Wayne Records. Now all she does 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:38.520 is catalog and the same people who have the same energy. No, 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.080 she's a reservoir She's she's a reservoir masters as well. 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.000 Yeah she so she did the Day Long. 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.960 Okay, she's on the board at the Hip Hop Museum 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.120 as well, So I will say that. You know, it 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.080 was also in the female group called four Pack. 0:34:57.960 --> 0:34:58.160 Yeah. 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:04.120 So I definitely feel like at least Monty who's now 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.800 the chairman of Deaf gen and you can see what 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.120 they're doing for the artists from our generation and how 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.279 they're trying to like step up and do the right 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:15.960 thing right because I remember hearing people said those contracts 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.799 back in the days always had that word of perpetuity, 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.719 and no one knew throughout the universe, no one knew 0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:21.759 what perpetuity meant. 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.080 Since two thousand and five. Well even deeper. I'll go 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:24.880 one step deeper. 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.919 We signed it what's called an at will agreement, which 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.200 means that we didn't sign a recording contract. 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.560 We signed as at will employees to record a record. 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.840 On behalf of deafth Gam like being an independent contractor correct, what. 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:37.440 Is a work? 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.279 I mean yeah, that means they own our records for lot. Wow, 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:42.680 we have to suit them at the Hip Hop Museum. 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.799 We got contracts that would make your stomach to Joe 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:51.440 Ski loves contract. People can see that a contract the 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.080 Mic and Day of Records with SWEETYG and positive case 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:58.160 first records on the Mic and Day label, like just crazy, 0:35:58.239 --> 0:35:59.920 and then even going up to like the early Hudan 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.239 you know the first those are like the real first 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.040 contract running them. But you know when we by the 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.000 time we had our deal with deaf Jam, we were 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.319 like kind of in that transition period, like people really 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:11.520 didn't get paid until. 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.279 No, we didn't know, No, we didn't get shipped. I mean, 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.000 but I tell people this all the time. There's there's 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:18.919 the left hand records side of it, and then there's 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.080 the deaf Jam Records oute of it. Right, the left 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.000 hand records side of it is. We didn't have off 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:28.160 We met with Tom Silverman. Tom Silverman literally Tom Silverman 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.920 was the head of Tommy Boys. We literally looked at 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.759 me and Pete said, I can't give you more money 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:33.600 than stets of Sonic. 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:34.719 What am I gonna tell that yet? 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:37.719 Like I'm like, what the fuck does that have to 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.840 do with anything? So you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.040 it wasn't like we had a lot of offers. It 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.960 wasn't until after the Battle for World Supremacy that he, 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:47.520 you know, Russell was like, oh, you. 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:52.040 Know, we want to sign you. But it wasn't was 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:53.719 a fault. Let me speak for y'all. Let me speak 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:54.479 for y'all. Yeah, please. 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.000 You probably didn't know you had his many offers because 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.560 at that time we didn't have a Twitter. We didn't 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.600 have But you guys are probably hot on the street. 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.080 We were hot on the street because we were hot 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.759 on the street, you know, because Pete had this radio show. 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.279 I was in the quarters, I was battling people. Pete 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.080 was outside with Clark like we were in the mix. 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.320 That's my question is you said that there was in 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.000 the office, but you didn't probably do extensive search. 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.239 It was small. 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:21.320 It was a small little. 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.360 File select record and they were gonna find. 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.839 You and yeah, and they didn't like I never seen 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:27.960 plot Nikki, they didn't want to sign us. 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.160 You know. We were also at the time when the 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.239 Boys were blowing up, so that that was also something 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.360 all these other big labels look like for that white 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.800 group White Seas were like kind of had that Rockete 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:40.120 and we were not that. 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:44.360 That's a that's a great example because uh, you know 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:47.160 when we came out, they had no other choice but 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:48.879 the pis the mob deep. There was no other black 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:50.840 kids from Queens in that area at the time. So 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.960 it was that something that I want to say, just 0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.160 because because they wanted they wanted y'all to be the 0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:57.759 Beastie Boys. 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.600 Yeah, yeah, And then the thing is like there's been 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.000 this talk like oh Russell got us to fill in 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.279 for the Beastie Boys. We were already signed to we 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.719 were Solos on Rush and even we just signed on 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:11.719 def Jen after they left. So like I went to 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.960 Leo's wedding, certain the Dominican reports could not go to 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:16.719 the wedding because he had to work. 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.120 No, no, no, I couldn't go to the wedding because 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.319 he didn't invite me to the woman he left. 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:23.080 No, no, no, he didn't. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:24.919 I remember. 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:31.160 Search was delivering chicken delay no ch Ganada, which was 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:32.000 called the think Tank. 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.200 It did not have a radio on sar you had 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.200 you had a record deal and you were still delivering. 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.680 So I was yeah. No, I had three job, young artists. No, 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:43.080 I had three No, I had three jobs. Who's the 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:43.560 three jobs? 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.400 So the first job was I would drive Yeshiva boys 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:51.040 from Queen's near you to Yeshiva's in Far Rockaway, so 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.080 very religious Jewish schools. 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:55.200 I would go from there, I said. I started four 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.160 thirty in the morning. Then I go from there. 0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.240 I'd go to the harm and Y in Far Rockaway 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.920 and I drove a truck, a food truck to homeless shelters. 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.320 So I delivered food to homeless shelters all through the 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:08.839 five boroughs in the twenty six foot of refrigerator. Then 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.360 I'd come back at four point thirty. I'd get about 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:12.839 a half an hour of sleep, and then I pick 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.040 up the Ahiva boys and I take them back to 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.400 Queen's to be about seven thirty eight, and then we 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.320 go to studio. That was That was my rotation for 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:20.920 a year. 0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:22.120 Even when. 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.000 Get the crazy shit. Though, this was the crazy shit. 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.359 So step into the AM is a video. It's out. 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.480 I'm driving a truck in Brooklyn and this dude and 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:39.600 I'm milk cookies butter crunch. This kid testing goes, ain't 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:48.000 that you? And I'm like, nah, you know, but there 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:49.759 was no money we got. I think our advanced was 0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:52.759 fifteen thousand dollars and something like that, like you know 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.040 what I'm saying, like you know, and half of. 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.239 That went to my mom. But I'm still gonna invite 0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:59.239 you to the wedding. He didn't invite me. 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.360 He might see it differently. I didn't get invited to 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:06.000 the wedding, no invite. When he went, you got, you got? 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:09.080 He went he had invited you, he did not. Everybody went. 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.279 It was like if that plane went down, all the 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:19.040 hip hop would have been on, Yeah, hello, everybody, everybody is. 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.239 Joe. I was not invited to the wedding. I was 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.279 not invited. I always thought, like back in the day, 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:27.799 like it is. 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:28.200 What it is. 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.560 I mean again, it's perception, right. 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.239 So I'm a twenty one year old kid and I'm 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:37.200 already telling you like I'm really not really seeing things, right, 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:37.520 You know. 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.120 I mean, like that's just how I saw things. I 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:41.000 didn't see things right. 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:45.440 I always said like, oh, ley'all loves Pete Russell loves me, 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.600 Like that's how I always felt, like, oh, because it's 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:50.480 you know what I mean, Like, that's just that was 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:54.400 your perception of my perception. I felt totally opposite, like 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:56.160 you know what I'm saying like that, so you know, 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.200 you know what I'm saying. So so you know again 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:04.080 he could have invited me. All I remember is I 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:08.759 went to the airport, right, I was delivering chicken. I 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:12.120 got finished delivering my gang. I knew there was something 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:16.920 and I got them tumble umble and thinking that was crazy? 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:18.920 Is those days there was no ts A. He walked 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.279 in again. So I'm like Michael barn They're like who. 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.840 I'm like, Michael Barren my ticket and I got the 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.040 mambo and I'm crying in the airport. I'm watching everybody 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:30.120 getting on the plane. 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:35.040 With his wife, Simon fucking this one man he's with Rick. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:43.640 He left you too. He was like, I'll see you 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:48.640 with my tan. I'm just showing rush. You know, it 0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:51.160 wasn't it wasn't there something about ll swimming with his 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:53.520 hat yeah, like, oh, this is such a great story. 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.080 He would go under in the waves and he would 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:57.040 come up with the kango. 0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:57.600 Oh ship. 0:41:57.800 --> 0:41:59.319 You know you when I say you see him six 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:00.000 o'clock in the morning. 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:04.759 No no, so yeah, no no, no, no, no, no, 0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:08.600 no no no the fishers so what So there was 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.799 supposedly this story that Ecstasy told me, may he rest 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:13.160 in peace. 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:19.239 Yes, l goes in the water, the kango comes up. 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:24.759 That ain't out. So now everybody's going to the yo. 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.360 Else hat because nobody knows what his head looks like. 0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:33.680 No one's seen him without the hat except his passport photo, right, 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:39.640 So everybody's and this is what John X is telling me. 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:41.560 Everybody runs to the water. 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:46.839 Water is crystal clear, and they're looking and they're looking right, 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:48.920 and they're looking and all of a sudden. 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:59.080 Hands pull and he comes out commitment about comment that 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:00.319 alopecia is a bitch. 0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:06.880 It's crazy. This morning the audition, what was it? What 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:07.640 movie it was? 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:12.839 Becomes he goes box. Was it crisical or yeah? Yeah, 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:16.000 he just starts performing. That fucking scene is just so like. 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.000 But it was on Legendary, that was on that's the 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:20.839 time when we came up it was to ninety eight 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.359 Elizabeth that office that was like the center of hip hop, 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:25.880 and like we go in the office, we're next thceing. 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:27.800 You know, we're playing their football, We're running thee on. 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.880 That's not where Tom King was at, right, No, he 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:33.160 was around around the corner. Okay, it was on Sunday. 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.800 Yeah, the next generation after that next week, you know, 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:38.120 I speak jealousey. 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.000 Yo, come on me, I gotta find rock him to 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.520 get his passport photo for the Depth Champ during nineteen 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:44.360 eighty seven. 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.600 Right, you know it was yeah, we were like, yeah, 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:49.440 we would watch Dante's house while he was road managing 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:51.160 or being rocked him, like you know what I mean, 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:54.360 Like this was like you know it and when you 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:58.239 when when you teach, or when you educate, or when 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:02.480 I go and lecture, when you watch kids' eyes when 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.440 you say, okay, I come from a place where there 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.720 was no thing called hip hop, there was no business, 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.560 there was no streaming their eye's. All of a sudden, 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:16.520 you become like an artifact, like how did you even survive? 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:18.319 Right, like how did you even? 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:18.840 Like you know? 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.040 But it's the truth and Graham mixed the DXT says 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.120 it all the time, he says, you know, we are 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.399 a nameless culture that was given a name a by 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:30.560 a machine. 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.600 That doesn't even care about as an industry, right, you 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:33.120 know what I'm saying. 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.400 Like the word hip hop came from the rappers the 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.360 Light Record, and somebody wrote about it in the Village 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.279 Voice and called it hip hop or whatever, like there 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.040 was some periodical right. 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.040 Like they had to define it to monetize it correct, 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:44.879 and it wasn't. 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:46.880 It was even even more like well wild style of 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:49.319 the movie came out, they called it the hip Hop Movie. 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.680 It started to spread and it just became known as 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.759 hip hop. And you look on the flyers who looked 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.480 on all the advertisements. It really started to show up 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:01.320 after eighty three. Look at the first ten years, it 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.920 wasn't even hip hop, wasn't even a thing. 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.160 It wasn't a thing. It was just you were tagging 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:09.320 on walls, you were dancing on floors, you know, and 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:13.960 you guys era right, it was almost like. 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:19.960 Like frowned upon to have a commercial record, a radio record. 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.000 Yeah, being on the radio wasn't the best thing for 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:25.759 true hip hop artist. You remember that list Out Goes 0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:26.120 the Weasel. 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:27.719 The record we did was based on that, like we 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:31.239 got offer commercials right, different things we turned down. We 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.040 cannot do anything just because you didn't want to look 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:35.200 like you were commercializing. 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.960 Should selling out and the point we would try to 0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:43.640 do records that right, But that was the problem. 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:45.920 It was it was the problem, and it was the 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.879 point at the same time, because you know, for us 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:54.719 to go commercial was corny, right, because every executive in 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.239 the room was a cornball. They were all straight bozos, 0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:00.760 so they didn't know anything. So because they didn't know anything, 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:06.560 how am I going to intercept your bozonees with authenticity 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:10.440 and still be credible when I go home? Right, Because 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:12.879 that's the shit I care about, Like, I don't live 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:13.839 in commercial land. 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:15.239 I don't live where you live. 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:17.200 I got to go back to Redfern and o V 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:22.520 and see my people. So there was no credibility in 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.200 doing that. It's not like today where you know, the 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:27.839 people that you're now talking in the rooms with grew 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:29.680 up on fifty years of hip hop. 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:31.360 But let me be honest, like now, if you're not 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:34.239 commercial and you're not irrelevant in him honest for me. 0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:38.120 Right after you guys era, it was a time where 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.000 like NAS was the most loved kid in the world, 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.160 right love person in the world, right love man in 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:45.359 the world, whatever we want to say. 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:46.800 And then he came with that album. 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.520 I believe it was written right after it was written 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.799 the golden album Nomadic Illmatic, where a lot of people 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.600 say he he might have made money, might have changed 0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:57.839 his life, might have got him out of the hood, 0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.360 but it wasn't that level of success. 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:02.840 It wasn't a commercial success. It wasn't the commercial success. 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.000 So people will argue you, like dam that took away 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:07.560 from Knas, But some people will argue like that made 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:09.480 actually the perfect foundation. 0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:11.759 So I would so Win Win has hip hop? When 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:12.600 when did that ever? 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.360 Because even Wu Tang, like Wu Tang's first album, I 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:17.440 listened to that ship and if you go look at 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.920 the algorithms of the album, at least seven or eight 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:23.200 records were on the radio. They weren't promoted, but they 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.400 were on the radio, and that was the algorithm at 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:25.719 the time. 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.399 So when didn't hip hop? When when did it come from? 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:29.680 You being underground? 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:32.239 But if your record happens to go commercial, it was 0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.839 still accepted. So I'll share two stories. Was a great question, 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:41.000 by the way, this is a good question. You got 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.680 too pioneers. This is that's honestly something I want to 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:44.880 know because so I. 0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.319 Don't know that, right, So I can I can share 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:51.359 two like practical points when we were talking about when 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:52.680 I came to you and did. 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.759 The public inemy public Inemy records was always underground, but 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.879 they were they were they were selling to the people. 0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:01.200 It seemed like they were distant almost yeah no, yeah, 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:04.240 And they were selling in Europe with the entire audience. 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.319 So you have a bike planet the entire audience is white. 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:08.760 Wow. 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:14.600 So I was doing consulting for Nike in nineteen ninety three, right. 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:16.960 I was working with a guy named Mark Ray and 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.719 a woman named Kim White. And I played them a 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:21.919 record where NA said I'm a Nike head. I would 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.640 change that excite them, right, And I said to it 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.040 in point blank, you should probably give me like fifty 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:30.920 bands right now this for this mention, because I promise 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:32.879 you what's going to happen is as soon as every 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:36.160 kid in Queen's here's this, They're going to hang up 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:38.600 their tims and go by Nikes. Right. And I was 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.960 able to get them a check wow, right, just because 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.360 I was consulting them and they believed me. But what 0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:45.399 I did was when I started working with Mark Echo 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:50.080 and Echo Unlimited Market. So you know, you know it's 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.560 funny you talk about, you know, anniversaries. This is the 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:55.759 thirtieth anniversary of Echo, right, you know when we started it, 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.520 Mark always had this philosophy of like, okay, we have 0:48:59.719 --> 0:48:59.920 to do. 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.600 Natural integration, but commercialize it. 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:05.560 Right, So we were talking about like when I did 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:09.400 the CNN Michael, we went to the building because I said, Yo, 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:10.080 where do you smoke? 0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:11.680 Where do y'all go hang out and smoke? Is that 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.560 what we go to? So rushat and everything was. 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:16.840 Grainy and it looked like we captured and when we dipped, 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.640 when I shot Prodigy made Recipes and mob Deep, they 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:21.480 were on the forty side of Vernet, hanging off on 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:22.560 the bench, you know. 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:25.040 So it was about having. 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:27.680 Those voices in the room that could say, this is 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:30.480 what's credible, this is what's real, this is what feels 0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:32.120 real because it is real. 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:34.879 And we're talking to the artists because we're not coming 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:35.319 up with some. 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:39.839 Catchphraset a bunch of people, right, so like all the catchphrases, 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:41.600 Like me and Buster were talking about it. When we 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.080 did his it was him and his son to Zaia, 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:48.239 who's now thirty something, right, and he his son had 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:50.400 to go use the bathroom and were like, do you 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:52.239 want to go with to Zaia, He's like, now, let 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:53.800 him pull his pants down, he'll figure it out. I 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.040 was like, that's the quote, and that was the quote. 0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:57.799 You know what I'm saying, like because it was real 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:00.560 to what he was experiencing while he was in the clothes, 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:02.759 while he was wearing the clothes. That was what was 0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:05.719 missing for me and Pete's era in ninety one. That's 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.560 why we couldn't do Kentucky Fried Chicken ass. 0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:08.960 That's what we. 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.239 Couldn't do because there was no one in there that 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:15.800 we could correlate our realness, our authenticity and then have 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:21.400 that become an eco siloed fucking no this zero. But 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:24.600 when that goal would gravitate everybody that go is real. 0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:27.319 They got the real dudes, They got the real dog 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.960 in retro aspect, right, and the bag was real like 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:35.839 the bag that I was saying living in that time, right, 0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:36.120 it was. 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:37.680 It was kind of crazy to say that we got 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:41.000 messed up contracts, but let's not take these this money 0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:43.279 from over here, because we'll be corny for taking that 0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:44.799 money over there are we. 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:47.200 Saying that we didn't care about our family? Know what 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:47.799 we're saying. 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:52.160 No, But but listen, if you say because you say 0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:54.799 Michael Jordan, they always say that Michael Jordan had one 0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:58.440 of the least powerful contracts in the NBA. 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.520 But he went he all his money through Nike and. 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:04.000 All this other ship, so he had a chance to 0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:06.360 hire good players around him. So what I'm saying is, 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.279 back then, if all concerts were so fucked up back then, 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:11.640 why was it fucked up for us to make it 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:12.680 somewhere else? 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:13.680 That's you know what I mean? 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:15.600 And the answer is because you would have been so 0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:18.600 fucked up that your credibility would have been fucked up. 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:26.600 But even though it doesn't make sense. 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:30.759 If nobody somebody, if somebody is a cornball, and one 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:34.160 thing about you, right right, if somebody is a cornball, 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:34.920 you fucking with them. 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:39.960 And if somebody's a cornball and birdman, they co signed 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:41.360 Lugs and they still survived. 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:47.360 Yeah, but I don't think that bad was that serious. 0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.040 But they add was that serious. 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:53.560 Nobody listened to them, but nobody fucked with Ugs, and 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:56.399 nobody was like fucked with Ugs regardless, Like no one 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.080 went out and fucked with Uggs like lugs whatever they 0:51:59.160 --> 0:51:59.919 call nobody. 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.480 Nobody fucked with it because that shi was for Gayzy 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:04.640 and everybody knew it was a badground. 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:07.319 Remember when they wanted us to be on Beverly Hills 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:10.920 nine o two on Donnie Aner and Tommy Mottola were begging. 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:12.680 Us, I would they should be so great. 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:18.000 Episode where the whole that whole crew of kids goes 0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:19.879 to what depends what the scene and there's a band 0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.719 playing where the band and one of the kids gets 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:27.640 slipped to Mickey. They get Mickey ospital or whatever whatever, 0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:31.160 and sure enough the group gets involved in the whole 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.120 like it's the Scooby Doo episode or whatever. 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:35.719 Drunks are bad, but we were just like listen, we 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:39.000 would have been class hons in. 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:43.080 Hindsight later I'm gonna be. But I can see it 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:46.440 doesn't like you if you wouldn't understand was I was 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:48.160 the whole era. I know, I know what you're saying, 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.359 and I know back then that's what Warranton is about. 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.680 This glory how about this? We go in for a 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.759 reading from Malcolm X Okay, me and Pete that was 0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:56.839 gonna be a Malcolm. 0:52:56.520 --> 0:53:03.880 X Spike, I'm about to do so going on me, I'm. 0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:16.040 So we get in Sam Jackson is dare he's reading 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.480 with us in Spike and we get the sides and 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:24.680 it's c O one CEO two, and he wants us 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:25.200 to read. 0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:30.120 When they asked Malcolm Little his numbers and when he 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:35.600 didn't give his red red in jails, Malcolm Little real 0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:39.400 name like little saying saying, and he kills it. He 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:40.360 like kills the. 0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:47.560 Reading and Sam's nah and and and and I'm not 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:52.200 really killed it. And then Pe just goes really. 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:54.040 Like, this is what you want us to do? Really? 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.279 And I was like, do you walk into a movie there? 0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:57.640 You see third dase. 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.960 I was acting acting acting. I can see that it 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:07.399 is active, but hold taking that? You know, how would 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.799 the hood taking that hood taking describe. 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:14.960 Wout'll y'all describe it? And this is real talk. Yeah, 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:16.280 error was too hardcore. 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:16.600 Man. 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:22.040 It's true yea, but you know nothing you can about that. 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.440 My generation half real just. 0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:26.520 Kept them. 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:34.560 Why it's true. It's true. Like what you're saying right 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:35.040 now was. 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:38.719 Like, yo, you know what the hood, the respect, the look, 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:40.000 it's more important. 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:43.680 My boys would actually vegutory something. Yeah, of course, even 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.320 said to the Spike, I said, Spike, when was the 0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:47.040 last time somebody asked you to play a show for 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:50.040 in a movie? And then we placed and we rock 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:52.839 and I said, and then you know, I did Bamboozoo, 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.319 you know, two thousand and had a better look. 0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:58.759 But like it was, it would have been horrible for us. Yeah, 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.239 it would have been horrible. That would like, yo, would 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:05.000 have been like nickname. He just looked at me, just 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:05.920 still upset about it. 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.280 He was upset. I can't understand. 0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:13.640 I can understand because an acting everything is warranty, right, right, right, 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:15.080 you know what I mean, So I can understand it. 0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:17.680 But on the street people take that shit. 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:23.000 Thespians trying to just do this right, and it wound 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.440 up being to Thespians and it got two actors and 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:27.560 who knows who they are, and nobody cared. 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:30.560 But if it was us, right, yeah, that's a serious subject. 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:32.080 Let me really serious. 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:32.480 Let me see. 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.400 Because I even said to him, because I read at 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:36.319 that time, I was reading Malcolm X at least once 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:39.239 a year. I said, Yo, there's that scene in Colombia 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.960 when the student walks up to Malcolm and he's going 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:44.640 to do the thing. He says, Yo, I don't have 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:46.839 a racist bone in my body. And even though I'm white, 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:48.560 isn't there anything I can do? When Malcolm looks at 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:51.000 her and goes no and keeps moving, I said, why 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:52.440 can't he close to Columbia? 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:54.640 Like, Yo, why can't we do that role? Like it's 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:59.320 fucking authentic. He fucking graduated Magnicum louder degree in English. 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.600 Let them other do that. Now, that's real. But acting 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:09.200 is whatever so real? Like everything was real, even Belly. 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:11.719 I remember when not Belly people were really thinking he was. 0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:18.680 People were asking me, when's your man getting out? I'm like, 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:22.239 I'm from where where was he hitting from? 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:26.640 In retrospect, this is something that I know, Uh, you're 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.680 close to is I believe when it comes to acting 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:33.919 and people sticking with those roles that they categorized ass 0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:38.000 I believe Bishop was the one, oh Tupac, Like I don't. 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:41.080 I believe both of you guys know Tupac. I've never 0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:44.840 met Tupac. Right before that, people said he became. 0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:49.280 We heard it because Rich Daddy Rich was in juice 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.359 with him and saw the transformation from when we were 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:53.799 on tour, Like we. 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.960 Tupac used to come in my Digital underground. He was 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:00.800 with Digital, he was dancing. You would just come in 0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:02.360 the room. He would free style. 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:08.400 Two us trying to get it. He's trying to like, 0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:09.120 what what do you think? 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:09.600 What do you think? 0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:13.360 I'm like, that's all right, you know, and base and 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.680 he he's actually walking up to Rich and saying, you're Rich, 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:18.040 Can I help you carry your cases? 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:19.240 You need you help? Yeah. 0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:23.120 We we bought him whoppers everything. He was such a 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:25.080 good dude though, like you was a good dude. 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:28.040 Like and we would be on the road and you know, 0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:30.840 Shock g ma Res and Pece and me, like he 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:32.919 would just play the keys and we would freestyle damn 0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:34.800 it all night, this off the top of our head 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:36.800 about how much we loved each other, how much we 0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:38.880 loved where we were at, how much we love how 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.160 we were moving, you know, and and it was just 0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:42.160 it was family. 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:42.680 You know. 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.400 It's really like a family, like you know, we play 0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:49.280 pool with Queen Latifa and Mooney, or we'd work. 0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:51.200 Out with this one. It's really a family. 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.400 But that kind of the moral of this whole story 0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:55.360 is that back then it was like a small community 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:58.480 and doing certain things would kind of exile you from 0:57:58.480 --> 0:57:59.040 that community. 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:00.320 But back to what he saying. 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:04.280 So Tupac once we want a conversation, told me about 0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:06.120 his mom, and I see that he had like these 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:09.400 friendship bracelets and like a silver bracelet and just like 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.480 a little silver chain with a little silver madown. He's like, 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:14.920 you never wear gold. Tells the whole story about the 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:20.760 gold trade, and so he's in Jews. Rich reports back 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:23.280 to us, like I think Tupac thinks he's this character, 0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:26.840 like he saw it right in from his face. So 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:30.040 we do this show and uh, I think it was 0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.680 a Gavin at the Townsend. And we walked to the 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:36.200 side stage and who's standing there in the corner with 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:41.600 this big dookie cable on with the big gold medallion. No, no, 0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:48.040 like Brenda got a baby. We clowned him and he 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:49.680 was like, yeah, he was pissed. 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:55.480 Man. Like we were like, yo, whatever going on, homie? Yeah, 0:58:57.200 --> 0:59:03.280 slave man? You know, yeah, that's all that. 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.120 At the end of the day, Like we were all young, 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:10.440 like we were all really young, like making thank you, 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:14.520 we were making adult decisions as children, like you know 0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:18.000 what I mean, Like I think about like the decisions 0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:21.400 I made about the demise of our partnership at twenty 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.240 three years old, Like I got kids, you know, my 0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:27.200 kids at thirty, twenty and twenty seven, Like, I can't 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:30.840 imagine my kids at twenty three making the decisions. 0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:34.080 That I was making. I was, I was just not 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:36.120 capable of making those decisions. 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:43.240 Real talk, you got something to say, I'll just say, 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:45.880 like when we get Daddy Richard here, he'll you can 0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:47.840 go one up with that two punk story. 0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:50.320 He was in the battle scene. 0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:54.000 You know, rich rich was right on the set and 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:55.920 he's got a good perspective on that. 0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:56.760 I think. 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.520 I think when we talk about whether it be pop 0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:01.600 or big, we we talk about them now as if 1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:05.720 like if they were older, not remembering that these were 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:09.520 young men, really young men, yeah, doing what they were 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:11.960 doing and making the mistakes that young people do, right, 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:13.880 but we're trying to bring them to our age now 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:15.960 like oh that was fucked though they did this and 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:16.800 expect you know. 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:18.680 That's what I love about what like Wallow did with 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.560 Kodak Black and what Wallow did with Thugs. Like you know, 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:24.760 there's certain people that are in the podcast space right 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:29.720 that really take it upon themselves to like understand like 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:33.360 if we're going to really uplift this next generation of 1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:37.520 kids that are really getting money, like insane amounts of money. Yeah, 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:41.240 we have to start to level the playing field in 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:44.840 terms of what they understand about commerces, what they understand 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:47.360 about not just being a brand, but what they understand 1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:51.600 about brand responsibility, brand focus, brand vision, you know, really 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:56.439 bringing them into a level of conversation that they'll they'll 1:00:56.520 --> 1:01:00.440 get because if they don't, they'll find themselves already five 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:00.800 and broke. 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:05.960 Yeah that's up. Yeah, Thomas. 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:07.640 Before we get into that, I want to ask you 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:11.720 going back a little bit the Beastie Boys, what was 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:12.800 the rift there? 1:01:15.480 --> 1:01:16.160 I'll start. 1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:21.840 You want to start one Riff was my best friends 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:27.360 in college. My roommate, he wrote sake he went to 1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:34.200 school with Mike d and my other boy Mike and 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:37.040 uh Ad Rock went to school with that boy and 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.640 she disagreed to a killy and uh m c A 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:42.440 went to school with all of the men, even when 1:01:42.480 --> 1:01:43.400 playma school. 1:01:44.320 --> 1:01:44.920 Yeah, so. 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:49.680 They always looked at them as like, you know, you're 1:01:49.720 --> 1:01:51.960 coming up, you're a white kid in Brooklyn whatever, you know, 1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:54.240 the kids who were down with hip hop. Basically they're 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.440 saying like they were not down with hip hop when 1:01:56.720 --> 1:01:57.840 they were down with hip hop. 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:03.959 So it was it was like yo, those kids because 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:06.240 they came to a punk sy, but the punksy came 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:06.720 up together. 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:09.959 Well that's if you told to me and search about 1:02:09.960 --> 1:02:12.000 the punk Sy, we could tell you anything. 1:02:11.640 --> 1:02:17.440 About the punk sea correct were. But that's just like, no, 1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:22.040 it doesn't boy boy, one guy who was in both things. 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:24.920 But the kids like like like there was a guy 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:27.439 named Dave Skilkin, May rest in peace. He was there 1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:32.040 like their guy, like there was two people captain, yeah, 1:02:32.120 --> 1:02:34.520 may rest in peace. And that's the sucky thing about 1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:37.120 doing this at fifty seven is how many people you 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:40.040 gotta bless right, which is another reason. 1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:40.960 Why we're sitting here today. 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:47.200 So the whole thing, at least my side, was I 1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:50.080 really didn't understand how Russell was moving with our contract. 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:52.960 And Russell was living in Barrow Street at the time. 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:57.080 Right up the block was Mike D's apartment, and Mike 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:59.400 D was with this kid showing the Captain karasof who 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:03.520 was there manager May rest in peace. And I was 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:05.800 so frustrated, I said, fuck it, I'm knock on Mike 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:06.280 D's doing. 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:07.680 Just ask them see how. 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:09.600 Because this is the famous blogoney story? 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:10.680 Is this? 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:13.600 Is this the bloney story ane story? 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:16.280 Okay, Well, I don't know. I don't know what that bologna, 1:03:16.760 --> 1:03:20.960 but I'm gonna find out. So I went upstairs. 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:23.840 So I went upstairs to his apartment. Sean's knocked down 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:25.840 on the on the sofa. I go to speak to Mike. 1:03:25.960 --> 1:03:28.600 They had just left Deaf Jaine and they just signed 1:03:28.600 --> 1:03:31.240 their deal a Capital, and I said, hey, man, like 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:34.160 I don't really understand what the fuck is going on, Like, 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:37.080 help me understand, like how Russell moves? 1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:39.120 We got this deal? Who are you talking to again? 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:42.480 Sorry, Mike d Okay, let's just salute Mike d here 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:45.840 yes being the richest person because he saw his mother's 1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:50.400 art collection for like five hundred million. Get hurricane Man, 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:53.880 Hurricane many. 1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:58.160 So so I go to ask him these questions and 1:03:58.200 --> 1:04:01.240 we're having like a real conversation. He's like, yo, you know, 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:03.480 be careful with this, be careful with that. You know 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:04.120 you might want to. 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:07.240 Check with this, check your lawyer about that. As I'm leaving, 1:04:07.400 --> 1:04:10.240 I turned a safe peace. He starts throwing ship at 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:11.960 me like a rubber ducky. 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:17.360 Iought he was a piece of bloney, was throwing a rubber. 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:20.000 Ducky at me and showing all of a sudden wakes up. 1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:23.640 He throws a cheeto at me, and I'm like, and 1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:25.880 I'm like and they're laughing. So I'm like, all right, 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:27.760 dare whatever, and I left. 1:04:28.520 --> 1:04:33.040 And then fast forward and Spin magazine there's this article 1:04:34.000 --> 1:04:39.080 and they asked the guys about third base and Mike says, yeah, 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:41.040 I know. Search Like he came to my crib, I 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:43.320 threw ship at him. I was like, oh, fuck you, 1:04:43.400 --> 1:04:45.800 it's on. So we were in the studio and I 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:47.800 was like, yeah, son's a third base, it's on. Fuck you, 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:50.400 fuck y'all. I'm gonna son you, fuck y'all. 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:54.240 And that Sam Subver took me to a spot where 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:56.680 his barber was and like ed Rod walked in with 1:04:56.800 --> 1:05:00.440 that actress that he was with the time. Be Nice 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:03.800 was saying that he didn't do anything. He became his thing. 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:08.040 But I mean we were on death Gym. Well we 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:09.800 weren't on deaf Jair. We were just on rush at 1:05:09.840 --> 1:05:12.240 the exact same time that they were still signing and everything. 1:05:12.600 --> 1:05:14.440 So that time of Leo's wedding, they were still on 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:15.000 death Jam. 1:05:15.080 --> 1:05:15.560 That's when. 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:25.160 That's when Lee or lew York kind of took over 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:27.360 Grub and left, and that's when the VC. 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:28.720 Boys left, right at the same time he went to 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:30.320 Capitol while yeah, exactly. 1:05:30.560 --> 1:05:32.800 Well actually they went nowhere for a while and then 1:05:32.840 --> 1:05:35.040 because they had to get off the deal, like three 1:05:35.160 --> 1:05:36.439 or four years to get off the deal. 1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:37.800 It seems like when they when. 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:39.760 They said they had tapes of Russell doing something in 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:42.640 the back of h C, I said, he had a 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:44.720 VHS tape, but Russell in the back of a. 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:46.880 Bus, and that deal just got settled real quick. 1:05:47.360 --> 1:05:50.320 And the in New Music Express that's not like secret, 1:05:50.600 --> 1:05:51.640 it's like writing an interview. 1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:58.080 Was he kidding? I don't know. That's there a lot 1:05:58.080 --> 1:06:03.919 of tapes flying right, a lot of tape. I was like, QuickTime, listen, 1:06:05.240 --> 1:06:07.840 those are some mid tours. But did you guys ever. 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:12.560 This questioned, Actually, when their book came out, they asked 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:14.959 me to do that section of the book. They asked 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:17.440 me to do the audio and me and when I 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:19.760 had I had a syndicated show called The Old School 1:06:19.800 --> 1:06:24.000 Show and MCA had produced a documentary called Gunning for 1:06:24.040 --> 1:06:27.240 the Number One Spot, which trussed about like AU basketball, 1:06:27.680 --> 1:06:30.920 and I interviewed him and when they Peace about a 1:06:31.000 --> 1:06:31.760 year before he died. 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:34.000 So it was really cool because we got to talk 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:34.360 about it. 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:36.400 And the thing that was real funny was as we 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:38.919 were closing it out, I told him how I felt 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:39.400 about him. 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:41.240 He said thanks. I said, Now we're going to end 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:42.680 the show with Sons of the Third Base. 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:45.360 He's like, no playing because they had a silly Professor 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:46.920 record that was their disc record and. 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:48.680 He's like the So he was like, no, you better 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:54.040 play that ship. So yeah, so it favorite songs to perform. 1:06:54.120 --> 1:06:59.600 Oh shit, Professor, there is a Professor the dis record? 1:06:59.720 --> 1:06:59.880 Yeah? 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:00.520 Is it? 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:01.240 Is it like that? 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:05.480 Like you know, Kevin Hard and these people always accused 1:07:05.560 --> 1:07:07.840 like there can't be one black actor at one time? 1:07:08.160 --> 1:07:09.640 Is it like that in the white world? 1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:10.040 Oh? 1:07:10.160 --> 1:07:12.640 Definitely when us when we were coming up, the actually, 1:07:12.680 --> 1:07:16.760 whether it was only today, would be one DJ do 1:07:16.880 --> 1:07:18.800 the worst of the label dude who gets. 1:07:18.640 --> 1:07:21.120 A coffee is in hip hop it's a chip on 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:23.480 the shoulder because there that's. 1:07:23.840 --> 1:07:25.480 There can only be one. There can only be one. 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:29.120 Only nineteen eighty nine, I would say, from nineteen eighty nine, 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:32.040 damn near the nine to two thousand, it can only 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:32.320 be one. 1:07:32.440 --> 1:07:35.880 Can we describe from that era? From the White Wrapper. 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:40.240 See you gotta go back to listen, Yeah, go back 1:07:40.280 --> 1:07:44.680 when and me and Vanilla B probably the only three. 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:49.520 Like I got a picture of Search at Prospect Park 1:07:49.640 --> 1:07:54.520 that with Paradise on stage, Rock Kim's first show where 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:58.000 he's got a pair of tight shorts, socks all the 1:07:58.040 --> 1:07:59.880 way up, ready to do angles. 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:03.600 And on stage Rock Kim is before his March show 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:04.959 went to vine House. That's wow. 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:07.680 But like we were, he was down with Tony d 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:10.800 and the Bad Boys, you know Lamumba Professor X was 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:13.560 my first manager. Like I was down with this group 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:16.560 Sinking where we were with Dana Dane as parts. So 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:18.760 we were like at the same time the VC boys 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:21.240 were actually blowing up. Yeah, we were kind of like 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:24.320 more on that underground scene and we were like me 1:08:24.400 --> 1:08:27.439 and so she used to do for twenty five bucks 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:32.080 fifty bucks. We'd announced show, Dax said, Hotel Amazon Amazon 1:08:32.160 --> 1:08:39.240 to positive. We introduced Rob Base first Rob first show, 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:42.000 every Rock. 1:08:43.840 --> 1:08:46.000 Who Mark Kemp was the DJ may rest In piece, 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:47.720 Like yeah, I mean like like that. 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:48.000 That. 1:08:48.240 --> 1:08:51.000 We were like like people would always say, like who 1:08:51.040 --> 1:08:51.920 the fuck are those guys? 1:08:52.360 --> 1:08:55.400 Like we would get into everything, like like there the 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:57.040 batties outside of the Red Parrot. 1:08:57.080 --> 1:08:59.760 We'd walk by past them like who the boys? 1:08:59.760 --> 1:09:02.160 We never record out and so I just like, yo, 1:09:02.640 --> 1:09:05.120 We're going to Devonport, Iowa with King's son. Next thing, 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:07.759 you know, we're on a vand yeah, I went to Devonport, 1:09:07.800 --> 1:09:09.360 Iowa King Son and his crew. 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:13.080 And it was showing a flood zone. It's like, you know, 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:15.080 we would just move around. 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:19.280 We were always moving around because people coming up that time, 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:22.400 they knew that we weren't trying to like. 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:24.599 Appropriate the culture. 1:09:25.160 --> 1:09:25.320 You know. 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.120 Pete had a dope ass radio show, you know what 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:30.240 I mean, Like it was dope, like they played real 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:34.439 ship and you know, I had promos on Red Alert. 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:35.000 Listen. 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:39.040 The highlight of my career and Rich Daddy Rich's career 1:09:39.720 --> 1:09:43.160 was when Red Alert played the promo that we made 1:09:43.360 --> 1:09:46.679 for him about the radio show, and it was played 1:09:46.720 --> 1:09:49.880 in between the Public Enemy and the Jungle Brothers promo. 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:53.439 We were like the promod like that when you were 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:58.080 when you heard a promo, Yeah, the search is always getting. 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:03.559 Yo. It was like you were the most famous mother fucker. 1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:07.800 And they would just say to me, I would get 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:11.400 fifty dollars for people to just have me go to 1:10:11.520 --> 1:10:12.320 shows and get. 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:17.960 Dished getting Wait what, I don't get this. No, It's just. 1:10:19.479 --> 1:10:21.400 Like I had a record called hey Boy and like 1:10:21.880 --> 1:10:23.840 and I like so my promo was like hey Boy, 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:25.599 like hey Boy, and I'd be like, Yo, what a baby, 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:26.519 and she's like, no, I'm not telling you. 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:28.479 I'm about Red Alert and I'd be like, damn, Search 1:10:28.560 --> 1:10:31.639 is always getting Yeah. 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:34.680 It was self deprecating, but at the same time, like 1:10:34.800 --> 1:10:37.479 a shout out to Red Alert because I'm God Alert 1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:38.840 me my first lawyer. 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:44.000 Yeah, like unbelievable. That's how me and Chris Lighting met, 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:47.559 called Chris Lighting Rest in Peace. Yo. 1:10:47.880 --> 1:10:51.400 We used to carry red S crates. So at this 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:54.439 time Chris had a white maximum right because he was 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:56.679 moving going back and forth see his dad in Baltimore. 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:59.400 So we moved back and forth from Baltimore right, and 1:10:59.479 --> 1:11:01.800 he would have REDS crates. We would go to kiss, 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:04.479 he would put the record, put his crates in the maximum, 1:11:04.479 --> 1:11:07.080 and then we go to the Latin Quarter. Me and 1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:10.160 Search met at the Latin Quarter. I was LB, We're 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:13.400 standing in front of Latin Quarter. This Lincoln Town car 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:16.519 pulls up the Search pop out. 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:16.920 I don't know. 1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:20.080 He had some sort of it was either a shirt 1:11:20.160 --> 1:11:24.960 kings or like an acid washed bedazzled Yeah, yeah, I know, like. 1:11:25.000 --> 1:11:27.040 With with like a Rtstone thing. 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:27.400 Was it that? 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:29.760 So I had two I had two shirt kings. One 1:11:29.880 --> 1:11:33.559 one was was me my face that said hey boy 1:11:33.680 --> 1:11:35.680 on it that I would you know, and that come 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:38.200 the promo. I think about that one. So, and I 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:40.000 was going to a show I was. I was performing 1:11:40.040 --> 1:11:43.080 at night July eighty six. He was before the Flyer, right, 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:43.760 he was Tony D. 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:47.080 So Tony D got me an executive like a town car, 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:49.720 like a local car from Brooklyn to bring me this show. 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:53.760 And so me and Blake are standing in front, sears 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.160 popping out. Now Blake went to high school with him. 1:11:56.960 --> 1:11:59.120 I had just heard wreck Search's record. Heard he was 1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:01.320 a white guy. I had a record on p Fine. 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:02.559 It was like wow. 1:12:02.960 --> 1:12:06.200 I saw Melissa that he had out and I was like, man, 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:09.559 this motherfucker beat me to it. And you know, I'm 1:12:09.600 --> 1:12:11.599 with Blake. We had this group called the Servant Generals 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:17.400 at the time. Search comes out, Yo, Pete Searcher give 1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:19.720 him pound and he just kind of like says all 1:12:19.800 --> 1:12:22.320 right and just just walk was getting ready to go down. 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:35.559 No, no, I don't dance. It's dance battle everybody, and. 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:38.400 This goes on the white boy on the shoulder. Years later, 1:12:38.920 --> 1:12:40.760 I get a call from Blake out of nowhere. I 1:12:40.800 --> 1:12:43.439 haven't I talked to him for years, Like yo, feet 1:12:43.479 --> 1:12:45.240 Search was just on this thing. He said that me 1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:46.960 and you were waiting outside of the l Q because 1:12:47.000 --> 1:12:48.400 we could not get in and he had to get 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:50.519 us in. He didn't get us in. We always got in. 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:52.560 I'm like, yes, Blake, we always got in. Why is 1:12:52.600 --> 1:12:55.240 this bothering you so much? So? But that was just 1:12:55.320 --> 1:12:58.280 the type of thing where, you know, we that's the 1:12:58.320 --> 1:13:00.439 first time we ever met. And then obviously you know 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:02.320 by the time we would go. We went to Red 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:06.280 Aler's birthday party. Search me and Search went the Green 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:10.720 Acres mall Red Birthday and got him. Look wait wait wait, 1:13:10.800 --> 1:13:14.040 we got to know so searchs like, yo, get the 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:17.280 frosted mug, yep with the with the hatching on it. 1:13:17.439 --> 1:13:20.040 Happy if you've learned to have you DJ Redler gets it, 1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:21.160 wraps it up and everything. 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:23.160 But he was fifty back then. No no, no, it's 1:13:23.160 --> 1:13:27.120 the no no no. I was telling him, O, yo, 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:29.000 we got to get some special that he'll always remember. 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:32.360 So it was his fifth anniversary fifty and I said 1:13:32.760 --> 1:13:36.200 fifth anniversary, Red, And I think it costs like twenty 1:13:36.240 --> 1:13:36.639 five bucks. 1:13:36.680 --> 1:13:38.960 It was a lot of It was a lot for us. 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:40.640 So we will be going to l Q. 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:45.240 Comes up, Reds on stage, searches like, makes a big presentation, 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.000 walks up, gives it to him. But it's like, oh, 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:49.880 thank you. Search Chris Rock, who's doing the stand up 1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:50.880 and intros, He's like. 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:54.840 Yo, search, where'd you get that? At Greenacre Malls? 1:13:55.120 --> 1:13:59.479 Twenty five dollars? And everybody lost all and everybody out 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:02.560 you up? Yeah, but I mean it was it was 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:04.720 a thought that kind of Red loved it. But I mean, 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:06.519 I'm just saying that that's where, you know, Chris Rock 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:10.680 is doing the you know, the intros again. Yeah, it's like, 1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:11.880 you know, but that's what it was. 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:15.639 Like. It was, you know, it's really hard to explain 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:20.639 to people that there was I have a homegirl named 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:24.799 Shelby who used to work for like Electra and everything. 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:26.320 She's like a PR person. 1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:31.560 She really succinctly nailed this. There's so many people culturally 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:36.280 that like, like Nick Quested, who just did this amazing documentary, 1:14:38.960 --> 1:14:46.280 Crazy crazy, Crazy Infiltrated. It's crazy to you, Nick question, 1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:51.920 I say, I'm quested dance with me and Bobbido and 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:55.439 Nick's fucking and Bob's apartment on fourteenth Street. 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:57.960 We were break dancing b boy in and. 1:14:58.040 --> 1:14:59.639 He's got all the good pictures he took. 1:15:00.560 --> 1:15:02.040 He won an Academy award. 1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:05.760 Like yo, she said, Yo, we were just some kids 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:10.280 bugging out. We had no idea how we were going 1:15:10.320 --> 1:15:12.479 to impact culture. We were just some kids bugging out. 1:15:12.720 --> 1:15:14.800 We were kids from New York. We just run the street. 1:15:15.000 --> 1:15:19.880 Now we run culture. Like kids that tagged they fucking 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:23.200 curate the Louver, kids that fucking went to Columbia curate 1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:27.439 the Hip Hop Museum. Started out as my barber on 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:29.280 ninety sixth Street, Like you know what I mean, Like 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:32.600 he's a curator of basketball culture around the world. Like 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:35.040 all of us come from this fucking era of just 1:15:35.120 --> 1:15:38.639 some kids bugging out. Norri was fucking and fucking Iraq. 1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:41.240 We're just some kids bugging out. 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:44.000 And by the way, let's give it up to yes 1:15:44.040 --> 1:15:44.960 the clippery. 1:15:48.280 --> 1:15:49.000 And sub rocks. 1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:55.760 But that's you know, she really hit it, like we 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:59.120 were just some kids bugging out, and we went from 1:16:00.200 --> 1:16:02.840 standing what we were doing to be really understanding how 1:16:02.880 --> 1:16:04.640 it can make a living for our family doing what 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:07.479 we continue to do, right, you know, like and I 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:08.960 and I've said this to you a million times. And 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:11.000 I took him on the road and he went to 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:14.160 radio stations. I mean it was so fucking disrespectful, bro, 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:16.960 Like he would be on the morning show. Leave the 1:16:17.080 --> 1:16:20.200 morning show, the program director operations, manage to go? 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:23.840 Does he want to do mornings? Your morning shows? Right here? 1:16:24.640 --> 1:16:26.240 Like why are you he don't want to do what? 1:16:26.360 --> 1:16:28.519 He's already in the van asking either we want to 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:30.680 go to the next spotcast? You know what I mean? 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:34.679 Like you could see, you could just see the elevation, 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:39.320 like you could see and we were just some fucking 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:41.960 kids bugging out in New York having a good time 1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:42.960 doing what we love to do. 1:16:43.439 --> 1:16:47.200 Like you know, I remember telling Russell when this album 1:16:47.280 --> 1:16:50.040 was gonna drop, all I cared about there were three 1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:52.720 records stores in far Rockaway and won the Rockaway Park. 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:55.519 I just cared about those those stores selling out the record. 1:16:56.000 --> 1:16:57.519 And He's like, well, I care about it a whole 1:16:57.560 --> 1:16:58.880 lot more than you do. I want to sell a 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:00.080 whole lot more records than you do. 1:17:00.280 --> 1:17:00.640 Trust me. 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:03.080 I'm like, no, I just I need my hood just 1:17:03.200 --> 1:17:04.599 I need just sold out my hood. 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:08.560 But let me ask you, right, because it's something that 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:11.040 I can't like. You know, I'm Puerto Rican, right, so 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:14.439 I'm gonna be prepared to to the Puerto Ricans for the. 1:17:14.439 --> 1:17:15.439 Rest of my life. Right. 1:17:15.880 --> 1:17:18.080 It does not matter like I don't care, you don't 1:17:18.120 --> 1:17:20.679 grow out of it. And it's not saying the fact 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:22.760 that they say, oh, you're nice for a Puerto Rican. 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:24.160 You know what I mean. I'm sure you get that. 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:26.040 You know what I mean? Like you know how they 1:17:26.080 --> 1:17:27.160 said up like, oh you're nice. 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:31.920 But there was a whole era of like that white 1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:36.880 genre of music, right right, Beastie Boys And when does 1:17:37.479 --> 1:17:39.400 where does that start? You said in eighty nine because 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:41.280 I believe you said something and that you said it 1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:41.880 is before that. 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:47.280 Well they blew up in eighty six, I mean was 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:48.160 in White Boys. 1:17:48.280 --> 1:17:51.360 Yeah, they were signed a select to me, I'll tell 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:55.600 you at least to me again my perspective. Yes, everlast 1:17:55.680 --> 1:17:57.280 who was in House of Pain was part of rhyme 1:17:57.320 --> 1:18:07.000 syndicate signed like crack Whip. You know what I'm saying, 1:18:07.040 --> 1:18:11.160 Bash get drunk, yo, And while I begetting drunk with 1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:14.200 that Bible of Rose not keeping my trunk like yo, he. 1:18:15.800 --> 1:18:18.800 He was nice, wasn't he? Was he dating Carmen Electro 1:18:18.840 --> 1:18:20.519 back thenism he had her in the video zone. 1:18:20.720 --> 1:18:22.080 That was that was earlier. 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:25.240 Yeah, so this was like this was earlier, so like 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:28.559 so then he was he was there, then we were there, 1:18:29.160 --> 1:18:31.440 and then all of a sudden there were like iterations 1:18:31.479 --> 1:18:33.720 of third base like you know what I mean, like 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:36.480 big Men on Campus got signed to select. 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:41.920 Shuck milkhonebone the problem. 1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:43.800 So here's the problem with milkpone and this again my 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:47.160 personal You're right, Milkphone was nice. 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:51.600 His name wasn't nice. His name was because he was 1:18:51.640 --> 1:18:53.840 down with naughty by nature, like for somebody didn't even 1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:55.880 know that he was. So he was like that. So 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:57.000 like Cypress Hill. 1:18:56.920 --> 1:18:59.880 Had the Hooligans, which is out Scott with Scott com 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:03.679 an alchemist right, like all of a sudden, every Alchemist 1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:08.360 and every so every group had to have one, like 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:12.600 every dre had m So now every black dope artist. 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:14.479 Had to have one, like I gotta find a white 1:19:14.520 --> 1:19:17.160 boy like everybody. You think it was that thought out, 1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:17.800 I don't think. 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:25.760 When I when I did right after I did O C, 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:28.519 after I made the OC album work life and all 1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:28.680 of that. 1:19:29.600 --> 1:19:38.280 Yeah, man, fucking toms yo. That album word Life an yo. 1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:44.040 Anyway, So right after that we put together nonfiction, right, 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:48.800 so it'll bill clips, a box go text. I'll never 1:19:48.880 --> 1:19:52.880 forget what David Geffen and Wendy Goldberg said to me. 1:19:53.400 --> 1:19:56.320 They said, I don't need this group to be underground. 1:19:56.439 --> 1:19:58.400 I need this group to get with Dre and be 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:00.760 the next sh next. 1:20:00.840 --> 1:20:01.320 That's the pain. 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:05.040 And I'm like, no, they're the hip hop Ramones. I 1:20:05.080 --> 1:20:07.760 said this in ninety six. I said, they're the hip 1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:10.120 hop Ramones. They're never going to need a hit record, 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:11.439 and they're going to tour for the rest of their 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:14.280 fucking life. And you have to figure out how to 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:17.840 monetize the records because we're going to monetize their career. 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:19.800 You figured that shit out. 1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:21.360 I don't know how to fucking do what you do 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:24.439 on the alternative hip hop side, but they're the hip 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:25.120 hop ramones. 1:20:25.200 --> 1:20:28.640 Be clear what labels? They weren't a major, Yeah, so 1:20:29.000 --> 1:20:29.920 what we adomination? 1:20:30.360 --> 1:20:32.600 So how we did it was we had them on 1:20:32.640 --> 1:20:35.439 a major, but we put out records independently through fab Beats, right, 1:20:35.680 --> 1:20:39.560 So that's Eli is Christ and all of that. That 1:20:39.680 --> 1:20:42.519 was still Geffen, but we were treating it like an indie, 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:44.519 but Geffen was funding everything. 1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:47.479 Oh wow, that's early because that ended up happening a 1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:48.880 lot later on exactly right. 1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:51.880 That was the first time that a major label allowed 1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:56.679 an incubator program to happen. And thirty years later, thank goodness, 1:20:56.800 --> 1:20:59.040 Nonfiction and is still touring and they are the Ramones 1:20:59.040 --> 1:20:59.479 of hip. 1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:02.640 Hop, like they will tour forever. Was company floorredy Out, No, 1:21:02.840 --> 1:21:03.639 they came after. 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:10.479 So they didn't let's name Uh then okay, didn't eminem 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:12.120 have like, but we've got bubble sparks. 1:21:12.160 --> 1:21:13.320 That's not forget bubble later? 1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:19.640 Yeah, right right, because like with N Too Deep, like 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:22.559 N Too Deep, how to pretend not to be Latin 1:21:23.200 --> 1:21:26.439 because you know, lighter shade around, they had to pretend 1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:30.400 not to be Latino because there was no category. 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:32.479 If you're a kid frost, you're told, oh my god, 1:21:32.560 --> 1:21:34.680 your head would explode, ruthless. 1:21:34.640 --> 1:21:37.400 You like you know what I'm saying. I I met. 1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:40.720 I had a group and I hope they're watching. They 1:21:40.760 --> 1:21:46.280 were from South America called they had a record Sounds 1:21:46.280 --> 1:21:47.439 that they somebody else Yo. 1:21:48.320 --> 1:21:48.960 This record is. 1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:52.519 Called WAW And all that record was was the noise 1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:56.040 that the pistol made in the club. Your head ducks down. 1:21:56.200 --> 1:21:58.479 In Spanish, they said the head ducks down because the pistols. 1:21:59.800 --> 1:22:04.320 I was, did you get these motherfucker's a deal to 1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:08.160 save my life? I couldn't get him a deal to say, 1:22:08.280 --> 1:22:11.160 but see if they I still listen to the ship 1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:11.680 to this day. 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:13.080 That record was fire. 1:22:14.200 --> 1:22:16.880 I had this kick Cage who in his demo for 1:22:16.920 --> 1:22:19.160 Faith Newman said he was going to catch a Sony 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:20.920 exactly hit the thought off in his. 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:24.200 Chest, you know, so like he was not getting signed. 1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:27.439 He was kind of like and he had bet for Eminem. 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:29.200 I guess they bad a little bit, but he was 1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:29.640 kind of like. 1:22:31.960 --> 1:22:34.840 A version of Eminem before Eminem could be, you know, 1:22:35.640 --> 1:22:37.240 decipher them with dre You know. 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:39.559 Here's a trivia question because hold, let me say something. 1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:40.519 It seems like. 1:22:42.439 --> 1:22:45.160 This is obviously me outside looking at the inside of 1:22:45.200 --> 1:22:47.040 looking out, But it seems like once that person is 1:22:47.080 --> 1:22:50.200 at the top, it's like all of they go at 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:52.880 the top like they want to they want an Eminem spot. 1:22:52.920 --> 1:22:55.120 Like I remember one year it was I felt like Eminem. 1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:58.519 It felt like whoever got hot like Eminem had to 1:22:58.840 --> 1:23:01.400 like shut them down. But it felt like they were 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:03.960 attacking it. No, I mean, but them was attacking He said, what, 1:23:04.040 --> 1:23:05.960 I'm nicer than Pete. I'm on a search across the 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:10.200 milk bone like yo, he was. He was going after everybody. Yeah, 1:23:10.280 --> 1:23:11.200 he was going after everybody. 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:12.479 But the point I was just going to say to 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:15.120 you was like, you're talking about white rappers, right, who 1:23:15.240 --> 1:23:18.320 is the white who's the only white rapper to do 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:20.360 a record with Biggie M? 1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:21.479 But not a lot? 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:24.800 No, no, no, no, no, not m M did a 1:23:24.840 --> 1:23:27.840 record post who's the only white rapper to do a 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:29.439 record with Biggie? 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:32.960 He's supposed to be googling like Texas text didn't mentioned 1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:42.040 did he mention? The universe is not the answer You're 1:23:42.040 --> 1:23:42.640 going to say, it's you. 1:23:43.000 --> 1:23:45.280 No, No, I'm not gonna say so. The answer is 1:23:45.400 --> 1:23:49.919 already the rugged man. Oh already already had. 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:52.920 Biggie in the studio. So so, and I say, and 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:55.040 I say it, but I say that to. 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:58.880 Say, there was like this incredible movement for about two 1:23:59.000 --> 1:24:02.680 years between ninety four ninety six were all these underground 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:03.839 mcs eclips. 1:24:03.880 --> 1:24:05.879 You remember this too, Like ninety four ninety. 1:24:05.720 --> 1:24:11.280 Six, there was all these really dope white MC's that 1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:13.360 people were like, yo, this kid's well. 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:16.200 The Underground was perfect for that because it didn't discriminate. 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:17.759 It's just you're just dope. You're dope. 1:24:17.800 --> 1:24:22.240 And Big Hot, Big was hot and he did. 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:25.960 This record with fucking It and it was perfect because 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:27.960 Ra was crazy out his mind. 1:24:28.520 --> 1:24:31.600 Fucking Biggie was on that shit. It was gonna go 1:24:31.640 --> 1:24:32.240 back listen to that. 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:35.040 Right, Yeah, man, shit is crazy. So the point is, 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:37.840 So the point is there was this period of time 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:41.639 and how it kind of went left, not to his demid, 1:24:41.760 --> 1:24:45.160 not to his fault, but M became a rocket. 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:47.479 Shit wow, because he became so much that it is too. 1:24:47.520 --> 1:24:51.160 Much my name is And everybody's like, oh, that's the theorem. 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:56.799 That's the theory. Everything else goes to fat beats, everything 1:24:56.840 --> 1:25:01.160 else goes indie and if we don't find that, then 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:03.040 it's not worth making. 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:05.879 And that's, by the way, the BC Boys were differently earlier. 1:25:06.600 --> 1:25:09.920 Even though M comes from that because he comes through 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:11.360 the fat Beat, he comes through all of that. 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:15.320 Game Bad verse E Bolm and Royce like you know 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:19.160 what I mean album like it was that that trajectory 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:22.000 that Hi, my Name is and it was over and. 1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:24.960 Dre because Dre is the obvious the formula that takes. 1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:27.960 It to that level. Obviously obviously, So you know, and 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:29.800 there was that, and then you look at to like 1:25:30.320 --> 1:25:34.000 and then really think about it. Ninety eight, ninety nine, 1:25:35.400 --> 1:25:36.000 two thousand. 1:25:36.080 --> 1:25:38.240 Name of White MC that made that impact Besize M 1:25:38.640 --> 1:25:43.320 two thousand and one, two thousand and two, Bubbles Fight. 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:44.959 Bubble had one record nineteen ninety seven, ninety. 1:25:45.000 --> 1:25:47.080 Bubble lasted like a couple of albums. Yeah, I mean, 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:51.320 but that one record was any six ninety six, ninety seven, 1:25:51.400 --> 1:25:53.280 ninety eight Bubba Arrow for Timberland. 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:56.360 I think Bubbles like more two thousand, yeah, but more 1:25:56.439 --> 1:26:00.320 like two thousand yea fe so, but two thousand and one, 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.920 two thousand and two, two thousand and three, until you 1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:07.000 get to like Yellow w War one record. 1:26:06.720 --> 1:26:10.439 Two thousand and five, two thousand and six, I'm still 1:26:10.520 --> 1:26:11.639 going by the WAK two. 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:12.240 Thousand and seven. 1:26:12.640 --> 1:26:17.160 If it wasn't until Action Bronson actually in two thousand 1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:21.240 and nine, two thousand and eight, wow, that you started 1:26:21.320 --> 1:26:24.280 to have, oh, maybe there can be more than one, 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:28.520 maybe they can be Oh here comes Jack Carlow. 1:26:28.240 --> 1:26:28.920 Out of Kentucky. 1:26:29.040 --> 1:26:32.600 Were fucking putting out records in twenty twelve, which is 1:26:32.640 --> 1:26:36.360 the changing of the way that music is being The 1:26:36.560 --> 1:26:40.000 gatekeepers are now gone consumed, right, There's no more gatekeepers 1:26:40.000 --> 1:26:42.439 because then you have Blogger era going into this era 1:26:42.560 --> 1:26:46.080 going into this era, and SoundCloud or whatever, strength and 1:26:46.280 --> 1:26:49.679 Mac Miller if Maxim Miller's Mac Killer. 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:50.439 You know what I'm saying. 1:26:50.479 --> 1:26:53.679 So again, the white rapper, the plight of the white 1:26:53.760 --> 1:26:57.120 rapper was the gatekeeper yep, right, and the black co 1:26:57.360 --> 1:26:59.840 sign and then you eliminate all of that just by 1:27:00.000 --> 1:27:02.600 making music. Who's this girl now, Georgiana. She's killing the 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:09.879 fucking internet, right, but the mic from Indie, Yeah, Michigan City, Indiana, 1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:10.960 She's fucking killing them. 1:27:11.800 --> 1:27:13.800 She's fucking killing them. Right. 1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:17.880 But we're in a period of time now where we're 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:22.240 fifty years plus and there's no generational gap for these kids. 1:27:22.520 --> 1:27:24.919 I look at an artist like Body James, right, Body's 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:25.640 killing them right now? 1:27:26.520 --> 1:27:29.840 Does a record with Harry Fraud? No one cares? Right. 1:27:30.920 --> 1:27:34.080 Producers is different, like you could be a white producer 1:27:34.120 --> 1:27:38.160 and be dope. It's got storage, right, right, Alchemist, Yes, 1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:41.680 congratulations to him too. Out of the year, you know 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:42.280 what I'm saying. 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:47.840 For the year like forever. But there's always been Graham 1:27:47.920 --> 1:27:49.639 Jones shout out to them for sure. 1:27:49.760 --> 1:27:53.160 Yeah, but there's always been this gatekeeper level that's like, Okay, 1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:56.160 this is where you can be. You can be a spectator, 1:27:56.200 --> 1:28:00.280 but not a participated And the one thing that the 1:28:00.400 --> 1:28:02.000 Internet did the good thing, was. 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:04.519 It allowed the gatekeepers to fall back. 1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:06.760 I'm not saying it allows a lot of great music 1:28:06.800 --> 1:28:09.000 to come out, because that's a whole other different story, 1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:14.240 but at least it allows artists to be artists and 1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:16.760 then you make up the decision whether they're dope or not. 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:19.280 I think what the Internet did is it took away 1:28:19.520 --> 1:28:23.240 the divisions between the different underground scenes. 1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:26.240 Because in the underground scene, if you're dope, you're dope. 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:27.519 That's it. 1:28:27.920 --> 1:28:30.840 That's all it mattered. If you're whack, you whack. And 1:28:30.920 --> 1:28:32.560 it took away the Internet is like, Okay, now we 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:35.920 can see these different underground scenes and we can connect 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:37.800 it in its one big underground scene. 1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:40.000 No. I Love, I Love and the A Ball and 1:28:40.120 --> 1:28:43.519 mjg shit when he played Glorilla and gave her fucking 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:45.880 flowers and said she really represents Memphis the right way, 1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:48.080 right right, because that's ultimately what I want, like for 1:28:48.200 --> 1:28:52.040 Far Rockaway, Keene Streets represents Rockaway the right way. Moulah 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:54.719 represents Rockaway the right way. Like I want the artists 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:57.240 that come from my hood, I want them to represent 1:28:57.320 --> 1:28:59.320 my hood the right way. You know what I'm saying. 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:01.400 And there's our does that do that in every in 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:04.120 every hood and every genre that it doesn't matter what 1:29:04.240 --> 1:29:06.480 kind of music, you just want to make sure they represent. 1:29:06.200 --> 1:29:06.920 Your hood the right way. 1:29:07.400 --> 1:29:10.400 At the Hip Hop Museum, we're trying to represent everything 1:29:10.439 --> 1:29:13.120 that you just mentioned, and think about all the different artists, 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:16.600 all the different platforms. It's it's just so hard to 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:21.559 bring under one roof and try to represent it all properly, right, 1:29:22.400 --> 1:29:26.440 It's it's it's insane. Well, it's almost important. 1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:30.080 Time with slimes A being sane ready control you gotta know, 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:32.880 we gotta bring that rich Okay, let's go. 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:37.879 It's gonna be a designated drink, a drink for want. 1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:47.240 Set them up, you gotta okay, we'll get a new one. 1:29:47.240 --> 1:29:49.599 Set them up with a mic uh as well? Want 1:29:49.640 --> 1:29:58.479 me to move down? No, he's over there. You gott 1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:01.599 explain them the game so they know, well Search knows 1:30:01.640 --> 1:30:04.719 the game, all right, So these are the rules, fellas. 1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:08.280 We're gonna give you two choices. You pick one, we 1:30:08.439 --> 1:30:11.080 don't drink. If you say both of neither, which is 1:30:11.120 --> 1:30:14.280 the PC answer, then everybody drinks. 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:14.479 At the tape. 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:16.519 Obviously you have a designated drinker. 1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:21.160 The real reason for this game is not to pin 1:30:21.200 --> 1:30:23.559 anybody against each other, to bring up stories about anybody 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:26.880 we mentioned. Let's talk about history, give us some good stories. 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:29.480 Let's talk about people. You know what I'm saying and places. 1:30:32.439 --> 1:30:32.639 Cool? 1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:34.880 You're ready, you all ready? We got the shots. Ready, 1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:37.519 we gotta get we gotta get everything you need to. 1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:43.320 This guy's ready to pop a question, all right, talking 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:43.439 to you? 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:45.040 No, no, I'll ask one. 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:49.200 So since we did verses, let's not do versus. Let's 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:51.639 do concerts. Who would you want to see third Base 1:30:51.720 --> 1:30:52.200 on the road. 1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:57.599 With nice and smooth public enemy? I like, I like nicest. 1:30:57.640 --> 1:31:00.160 These are all good answers. By the way, there is 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:03.280 no wrong answer. I was just candy. It's all legend 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:04.000 of the classics. 1:31:04.160 --> 1:31:07.360 We were thinking that boy to squash beef tour all 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:08.160 the all the groups. 1:31:08.560 --> 1:31:10.160 Yo, that's crazy. Let me tell you you. 1:31:12.240 --> 1:31:17.960 Know what's crazy though, And I will say this after no, no, no, no, 1:31:18.439 --> 1:31:23.160 they have beef internally after the word hit Dress called 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:26.880 me on Monday and said, Joe, me and Law made peace. Wow, 1:31:27.120 --> 1:31:29.479 he said, me and Law made peace. And like and 1:31:29.640 --> 1:31:32.640 there's like all of these like I hear rumblings that 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:35.880 Everlast is talking to fucking Danny boy again, and this 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:39.000 one's talking to this Beef Well. I mean, I don't know, 1:31:40.560 --> 1:31:42.679 you know, but I'm just here, like even like word 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:44.880 is Pete rock and Seale smooth? Like I again, I 1:31:45.000 --> 1:31:49.200 don't know, but I know that like Dress called me 1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:51.840 and said, Joe, we made peace. 1:31:52.160 --> 1:31:54.560 If you and Pete could do it, we can do 1:31:54.760 --> 1:31:56.240 You know what, I'd like to see you guys with 1:31:56.360 --> 1:31:57.599 Hammer on tour. 1:31:58.680 --> 1:32:00.759 That was that was about those boys. 1:32:01.560 --> 1:32:03.439 No, I mean, you know, honestly, like I said, man, 1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:05.720 I would love to make amends with that man. You 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:07.519 know what I'm saying, I think is a super legend. 1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:10.080 To be honest, I think the Beef squads workers. You 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:12.280 still have totally different algorithms. 1:32:13.240 --> 1:32:14.880 I don't believe. I think that you could work. I 1:32:15.960 --> 1:32:17.760 think I don't think we have the same thing. I 1:32:17.800 --> 1:32:19.760 think it could work, man, I think it could work. 1:32:20.800 --> 1:32:22.760 I mean I think a lot of shit could work. 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:29.280 I like to do a reality already. Yes, let me 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:30.439 get my mama. Juan already. 1:32:31.880 --> 1:32:33.680 Can we give a toast to the best show d 1:32:33.840 --> 1:32:34.839 J in history? 1:32:34.920 --> 1:32:35.519 Daddy Original? 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:50.080 Yeah, Yeah, you know all right nas or ll nos Yeah, 1:32:53.479 --> 1:32:56.760 Jay z or Big Daddy Kane, Big Daddy Big Daddy Cane. 1:32:58.360 --> 1:32:59.840 If one of y'all is off, then we're all drinking. 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:01.920 That's the way we're doing it. Yeah, I gotta be 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:03.800 on the same. No disrespect, I mean. 1:33:03.760 --> 1:33:06.320 No disrespect to Jay, But bottom line is there's no 1:33:06.840 --> 1:33:07.519 Jay without King. 1:33:07.760 --> 1:33:12.360 Yeah, and remember any stories because we just went I 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:15.800 mean we all we all remember any day being on 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:19.080 the road with Can, like we all remember, you know that. 1:33:19.240 --> 1:33:19.800 Was his crew. 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:21.760 Any standout story seeing him on the road. 1:33:21.960 --> 1:33:25.040 No, I mean I just remember, like we all, we 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:27.280 would all try to find the waves, lose a lot 1:33:27.320 --> 1:33:29.320 of money to Can. Yeah, I lost a lot of 1:33:29.360 --> 1:33:33.600 money plans dice. But I remember us always trying to 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:35.560 find red lobsters wherever we wanted to go. 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:38.320 We'd always try to find a red lobster. Immediately made 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:41.640 me hungry. Yeah. In fact, I heard we're going to 1:33:41.720 --> 1:33:43.120 like Jerobi's restaurant after. 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:43.280 This, So. 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:49.920 Okay yoah o day in and day or slick Wig 1:33:51.760 --> 1:33:57.320 you skipped one Bro you get it? Uh, And they 1:33:57.360 --> 1:33:59.559 were in the same group. You know, Yeah, I heard 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:05.120 Cano Crew. So here's the here's a story here, here, 1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:05.760 here's a story. 1:34:05.880 --> 1:34:06.000 Right. 1:34:06.720 --> 1:34:09.800 So when I was growing up in Redfern, we would 1:34:09.840 --> 1:34:13.080 listen to these two set tapes fourth and fifth Generation 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:16.519 get set tapes of parties in Prospect. I used to 1:34:16.560 --> 1:34:18.640 love those because there was always a group called the 1:34:18.680 --> 1:34:21.679 Kno Crew. I couldn't really hear what they said because 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:23.760 there was fourth fifth Generation, so that the time it 1:34:23.840 --> 1:34:26.240 got to Far Rockaway, it sounded like the teacher and 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:27.080 fucking peanuts. 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:27.640 So it's like. 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:33.160 But they sounded nice. That's all I knew is they 1:34:33.200 --> 1:34:37.439 had British accents. Sounded nice, British accents. Yeah, and they 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:40.160 were like, well Ricky d. It wasn't like rick here's 1:34:40.200 --> 1:34:40.880 Ricky d Wow. 1:34:41.120 --> 1:34:42.360 And I was like, oh, they're dope. 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:45.560 So I get into this high school called Music and 1:34:45.680 --> 1:34:49.120 Art right, and it's the first day of orientation. I 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:52.519 take the A train from Far Rockaway to one hundred 1:34:52.520 --> 1:34:56.640 and thirty fifth in Convent, go to school, go to 1:34:56.680 --> 1:34:59.840 the lunch room for orientation and there's these for do 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:05.920 roots in Kangos, the Tigra Permanent Crease Lee's and Fucking 1:35:05.960 --> 1:35:10.960 Walli's and they're doing Indian Girl, and all the freshman 1:35:11.040 --> 1:35:13.679 guys had like a senior that took you around. 1:35:14.240 --> 1:35:16.000 The guy who took me around was named Steve Bosco 1:35:16.080 --> 1:35:16.800 May Rest in Peace. 1:35:17.280 --> 1:35:18.800 And I'm trying to impress him because I'm in this 1:35:18.840 --> 1:35:20.559 white kid with a jew fro and I'm from Far 1:35:20.680 --> 1:35:23.360 Rockaway and how am I going to notice? So Steve, 1:35:23.840 --> 1:35:27.639 it's the Caango Crew. They're doing Hill Bully Girl. He goes, now, motherfucker, 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:30.720 that is the Cago Crew. And it was like the 1:35:30.760 --> 1:35:32.679 first time I ever saw a rock star on my life. 1:35:32.920 --> 1:35:36.160 It was Ricky d Lance, Romance Omega and Dana Dane 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:41.160 Wow Wow so. And the one skit that they started 1:35:41.200 --> 1:35:43.400 doing in high school in nineteen eighty was a skit 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:47.160 called Lottie Dottie. We like to party, we don't cause trouble, 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:50.600 we don't bother nobody. There was no record, It was 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:53.439 just their routine and when we rock upon a mic, 1:35:53.479 --> 1:35:56.519 we rock and all they would go right, and it 1:35:56.640 --> 1:35:56.800 was a. 1:35:56.840 --> 1:35:59.680 Skit that they would do at parties. Yo. 1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:03.080 I bit that whole shit. I would at first girls 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:04.559 in Far Rockaway, like you want to hear. 1:36:04.520 --> 1:36:08.120 My rhym lotty dotty relaxable. We don't go in trouble, 1:36:08.280 --> 1:36:13.560 we don't right. So for me and fucking Dana, I 1:36:13.680 --> 1:36:15.639 know you watching this, and I love you Dana because 1:36:15.640 --> 1:36:19.080 you're my man. I gotta go with rick. I gotta 1:36:19.120 --> 1:36:20.000 go Ricky Dean. 1:36:19.880 --> 1:36:23.240 Because because for me as much as I love Cinder Fella, Dana, 1:36:23.360 --> 1:36:29.800 Dane and and Clark obviously, like that's Great Adventures album. 1:36:29.840 --> 1:36:32.800 It's crazy, that's crazy. It's crazy. Part of storytelling that 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:36.400 he did with Okay, this is crazy, like he still 1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:39.360 got bars So and Dana, I love you know I 1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:40.040 love you Dana. 1:36:40.120 --> 1:36:42.920 So I got a personally first show I ever did 1:36:43.000 --> 1:36:44.559 with the first group. I was in SyncE quit Na 1:36:44.600 --> 1:36:49.000 and we open up for Dana. When I met Daddy 1:36:49.080 --> 1:36:52.320 Richard was through Clark and when I knew Clark Clark 1:36:52.680 --> 1:36:55.439 was Dana, Dane and Jesse Rest of Peace Clark Kent. 1:36:55.600 --> 1:36:58.560 If Clark Kent died in eight nineteen eighty eight or 1:36:58.600 --> 1:37:02.160 eighty nine, he be just as big a legend as 1:37:02.200 --> 1:37:04.840 he was now, just because in my eyes, he was 1:37:04.920 --> 1:37:07.640 day to day's DJ going on toward Dana day his 1:37:07.840 --> 1:37:09.400 connection to me and rich. 1:37:09.920 --> 1:37:13.280 And when so basically drink going on, basically. 1:37:15.240 --> 1:37:18.479 And the other crazy thing is when I went to 1:37:18.560 --> 1:37:22.640 Clark's memorial service, which was amazing. I mean everyone like 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:27.200 from Scratch to Stretched Andrew Martinez, everybody incredible. I walked 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:31.519 past the casket, it was packed. The only seat that 1:37:31.680 --> 1:37:35.400 was open was the seat next to Dana that I 1:37:35.520 --> 1:37:38.600 go sit next to Dana, and everyone's mentioning Clark's accolades. 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:43.640 And it wasn't until Scratch talked about when Clark was 1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:46.680 on soul train with Dana and like that to me, 1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:50.080 like when I saw that soul train, it was so 1:37:50.200 --> 1:37:51.960 I have to say, Danna, Dan, all. 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:57.160 Right, well go ahead Dana and Clark. Ye nah, this 1:37:57.280 --> 1:38:02.160 is solid ark Man. Absolutely yeah. I still got Trill Burgers. 1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:04.320 I wasn't ready for that. I heard it was good. 1:38:04.400 --> 1:38:09.000 It's fantastic. Turkey Burger, Veggie Burger too, and the ship 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:10.160 off to Veggie Burger. 1:38:10.360 --> 1:38:12.679 That's he started with the Veggie Burger, cleaned the grill, 1:38:13.080 --> 1:38:15.120 then the Turkey Burger clean the grill. 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:16.200 And didn't clean it every time. 1:38:17.200 --> 1:38:19.840 Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, switch the 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:21.639 grill rat there you know what I mean, who's next? 1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:26.080 That's the apologies to rick Man because they loan sleeep 1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:28.439 bricks are thrown to the hip hop really, so yeah, 1:38:28.600 --> 1:38:29.040 that's dope. 1:38:29.360 --> 1:38:31.880 That's what That's what I want to shout out to. Salaman, 1:38:32.960 --> 1:38:38.040 shout out my guy, my guy, kre Rest one or 1:38:38.160 --> 1:38:40.920 rock Him. Oh it's easy, rock Him. I love K 1:38:41.280 --> 1:38:42.840 Don't get me wrong. Rock Him is the greatest set 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:46.519 of all time period. And a conversation rock Him, Okay, 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:52.400 I want he got you definitely? 1:38:53.600 --> 1:38:59.400 Yeah, right, okay, Premore, Pete rock Oh, Primo, it's easy. 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:03.479 These are really these are like layups. I mean maybe 1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:08.760 not for everybody. See like he's hesitating. Well he's like, well, 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:10.679 I don't know, Yeah, what happened. 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:14.400 I used to catch Premo out there in my building. 1:39:14.760 --> 1:39:16.439 He was seeing a young lady on my flight. Used 1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:18.080 to go walk my dog like three in the morning, 1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:21.080 and I'd be like, oh, for me, Premiere is something elevator. 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:24.240 So we had a lot of talks. And when I 1:39:24.360 --> 1:39:29.360 had a couple of groups, this kid Cage who Cage, Yeah, 1:39:29.439 --> 1:39:32.360 Cage could not I have Premiere do a whole Premiere 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:35.599 beats cag you broke Yeah, Me and my beat Cage 1:39:35.720 --> 1:39:40.200 corigonally and uh, Premiere made a whole tape of Premiere 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:45.720 beats like incredible, and Cage was like nah, nah, he 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:48.320 wanted more, So I have to give it to Premiere. 1:39:48.840 --> 1:39:51.400 Oh you'll disagree. 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:55.160 Agree, they agreed, They agreed, agreed. I agree, Uh, BC 1:39:55.320 --> 1:39:56.480 boys are fat boys. 1:39:57.080 --> 1:39:57.599 Fat boys. 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:03.240 I got a picture of Search at a fat boy 1:40:03.360 --> 1:40:08.400 show in nineteen eighty five at Roseland and you send 1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:09.800 it to you could put it on the screen when you. 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:12.400 Search has said that he never kissed a white girl. 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:17.599 And he's there with a white girl who sang no hop, 1:40:18.400 --> 1:40:23.080 who sang the hawk on it rerecord, Melissa, she doesn't sing. 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:27.200 This girl was on Z one her know this twist. 1:40:27.560 --> 1:40:28.439 She told this story. 1:40:28.520 --> 1:40:31.160 My boy Chris Money here has that tape somewhere buried 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:35.200 in his computer. She she says she did no says 1:40:35.240 --> 1:40:35.960 she's telling the hook. 1:40:36.600 --> 1:40:38.040 Really, she says she did a lot of things. 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:39.200 She did. 1:40:39.520 --> 1:40:44.040 I know, I don't remember that, but I don't know. 1:40:44.120 --> 1:40:46.479 I think she might have been Italian. That don't count 1:40:46.560 --> 1:40:59.080 rights with the money. I think she's Sillian. Remember, I'll say, 1:40:59.080 --> 1:41:01.960 fat boy. They agreed again. 1:41:02.200 --> 1:41:09.080 Yeah, biggie A big pun all three y'all please, big 1:41:09.960 --> 1:41:20.840 biggie resting piece to both of those legends. Man, mhm, 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:25.200 I hate to disagree. 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:34.320 Lyrics, lyrics, lyrically, whatever you're fun. I love big don't 1:41:34.360 --> 1:41:37.160 get me wrong. I love Big Pun was a monster 1:41:37.920 --> 1:41:41.639 with them Bars. Pun was a monster with them Bars. 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:45.200 That's fuck both. Yeah, that's horrible. 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:47.360 Any stories with Bigger Pun anybody? 1:41:47.520 --> 1:41:49.280 I mean, the only story I have two stories for 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:52.400 both of them, then they're quick. I was doing radio 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:54.400 promotion at the time. I was at the beat with 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:58.640 tecond Sway. I had OC with me and Craig k 1:41:58.640 --> 1:42:00.160 Mac and Biggie were on the Big Mac for. 1:42:00.439 --> 1:42:06.559 Ye and one of the best promo items is ever ever. 1:42:08.200 --> 1:42:11.040 I walk in walk into Sway in Tech and I 1:42:11.120 --> 1:42:15.439 got old with me and Biggot already said like Time's 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:17.800 Up was his favorite ship, Like that was his ship. 1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:21.040 And we walk in. 1:42:22.520 --> 1:42:24.960 And they just they just go into commercial break and 1:42:25.240 --> 1:42:27.080 was about to come in and BIG's about to leave, 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:31.000 and out of nowhere, he just says to me, Oh, 1:42:31.120 --> 1:42:33.640 He's like, sirch, I gotta apologize to you now. 1:42:33.760 --> 1:42:36.479 Man, I'm just manic depressive right now. I don't feel 1:42:36.520 --> 1:42:43.280 like fucking with you. Who said this to you? Like 1:42:43.400 --> 1:42:45.080 out of left field? Like I was like yo, big 1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:46.479 what pretty Yeah. 1:42:46.800 --> 1:42:48.920 But then but then the funny part was when we 1:42:49.000 --> 1:42:51.200 went outside, there was a DJ that was on the 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:54.680 beat and his thing he was a midday DJ, and 1:42:54.760 --> 1:42:58.439 the thing was his promo was that celebrity artists would 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:01.120 leave a message on his phone, like that was his thing, 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:04.400 like hey, you know, blah blah blah, it's you know shy, 1:43:04.640 --> 1:43:06.840 you know, hey we're coming for the two and two. 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:10.000 Blah blah blah. So Craig does whatever he does, like, hey, 1:43:10.040 --> 1:43:11.160 blah blah Blah's Craig Mac. 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:12.960 You know, I got that flavor year coming down and 1:43:13.040 --> 1:43:16.920 I'll see you at two fifteen level. It comes out 1:43:17.640 --> 1:43:19.719 and Craig says, you're big, you gotta do these promos. 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:23.720 He's kind of promos, he said. And the guy says, yo, 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:26.120 you know it's leaving a message on my answering machine. 1:43:26.160 --> 1:43:27.600 He goes, I ain't your bitch. I don't leaven no 1:43:27.680 --> 1:43:30.280 fucking message. And he's like, no, no, no, big, you 1:43:30.280 --> 1:43:32.080 know what I'm saying. He goes, I don't done saying shit. 1:43:32.640 --> 1:43:35.880 Car That was it. 1:43:36.479 --> 1:43:39.000 And the other pun, the pun story was like every 1:43:39.240 --> 1:43:42.840 time I ran in a pun, he oh, well, first 1:43:42.840 --> 1:43:45.479 of all, he was always happy. Yes, that was a 1:43:45.840 --> 1:43:49.840 b He always had people around him that made him happy. 1:43:50.720 --> 1:43:53.280 And he always had like three or four chicks around 1:43:53.360 --> 1:43:56.560 him that were just like so happy to be in 1:43:56.680 --> 1:43:59.080 his circle, and he would always make. 1:43:59.160 --> 1:44:02.800 Them feel good. It wasn't even like something he had 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:05.720 to try. He just had this charm. He had this 1:44:05.880 --> 1:44:11.040 amazing like loving spirit. And that's what I always remembered 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:14.000 about Punty. Oh yeah, and my tattoo by the way, 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:15.320 you know I have a tattoo. 1:44:15.920 --> 1:44:20.800 And the guy who did Pun's hands celebrity tattoo artists 1:44:20.800 --> 1:44:22.519 on Instagram, he did my tattoo. 1:44:22.640 --> 1:44:23.120 Oh okay. 1:44:23.320 --> 1:44:24.960 You know at the Hip Hop Museum, we had this 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:28.200 TV show Me and Paradise called Hip Hop Treasures, and 1:44:28.640 --> 1:44:30.479 Cipher Sounds was on the show with us. We would 1:44:30.479 --> 1:44:34.120 send him out to send him out to Fat Joe's 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:38.040 and Joe had the jersey from the Trinidad fight when 1:44:38.080 --> 1:44:40.479 they came out, so just looking like an iconic moment 1:44:40.800 --> 1:44:43.439 that you know could not be top like. 1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:44.800 Yeah, and I love Big. 1:44:44.920 --> 1:44:46.920 I love Big, And I know there's always this argument 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:48.840 like Big should be in people's top fives and this 1:44:48.960 --> 1:44:53.200 and that, like Tove, but not of people, but for me, personally. 1:44:53.400 --> 1:44:56.080 Again my perspective, there's like certain artists that didn't have 1:44:56.360 --> 1:44:58.080 enough time to make enough body of work. 1:44:58.680 --> 1:44:59.760 Pun and Big of both that. 1:45:00.280 --> 1:45:06.800 Yeah, yeah, I agree, but both made crazy crazy the 1:45:08.800 --> 1:45:09.919 B Street or Crush. 1:45:09.760 --> 1:45:16.720 Groove, Brush Groove shout out to Style and Yellow, Yeah, 1:45:20.320 --> 1:45:22.360 because the thing is they both kind of whack. Now 1:45:22.439 --> 1:45:23.720 if you watch them, they're both like. 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:30.479 But that's a lot of old movies though. Know it's great. 1:45:30.800 --> 1:45:33.080 It's great. You gotta smoke a joint and get into 1:45:33.120 --> 1:45:36.519 old school mood and it gets better with time. It's like, 1:45:36.560 --> 1:45:42.160 why joint, smoke physical joint? You joint? Yeah, beach culture. 1:45:43.880 --> 1:45:44.120 Yeah. 1:45:45.400 --> 1:45:49.320 The Last Dragon the other day last year. I was like, 1:45:49.640 --> 1:45:51.920 because now you know that they come who was sucked up? 1:45:52.240 --> 1:45:54.840 Like like like I didn't know. I thought they were 1:45:54.880 --> 1:45:58.400 professionals back then. You look at that the Last Dragon, 1:45:58.760 --> 1:46:04.280 like that screw Crew Crush. All right, this is group. 1:46:04.520 --> 1:46:13.519 It's gonna be tough for you guys, oh man, god. 1:46:14.200 --> 1:46:22.440 One, well for me, I mean mm, I mean, JAMJ 1:46:22.560 --> 1:46:23.160 is the reason I'm on. 1:46:24.320 --> 1:46:26.960 Like, jam Master J found me in Tony D's basement 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:31.479 the first rom I ever said wow, you know, and 1:46:31.600 --> 1:46:35.439 he leaned back and he was like this, and he went, fuck, 1:46:35.479 --> 1:46:37.559 if white boys start ramming like that, we're finished. 1:46:37.600 --> 1:46:39.000 Yo, I need to take you on the road, and 1:46:40.520 --> 1:46:44.240 like that's verbating him what he said, No, I went down. 1:46:44.400 --> 1:46:47.240 I went, So I went. I I harassed ground vis 1:46:47.320 --> 1:46:50.920 it Tony d for six months. I had given up 1:46:51.000 --> 1:46:53.519 a four year scholarship to go to college. I told 1:46:53.560 --> 1:46:54.960 my mother I wanted to be a rapper and she's like, 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:55.360 what do you mean? 1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:55.479 You know? 1:46:55.600 --> 1:46:56.599 Rap gifts at sears? 1:46:56.640 --> 1:47:00.439 Like right, I'm like no, no, it's as ain't called 1:47:00.479 --> 1:47:02.840 hip hop and it's this And she asked me when 1:47:02.880 --> 1:47:07.120 my plan was six months. I'm harassing. The dude finally 1:47:07.400 --> 1:47:09.439 picks up the call, says, yeah, coming. 1:47:09.280 --> 1:47:09.679 To the house. 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:12.599 It's pouring, it's April pouring, ring. 1:47:13.000 --> 1:47:17.360 It's in Corny Island, Seagate dark and there's this beautiful 1:47:17.400 --> 1:47:22.599 brownstone that got a green Jaguar sitting on Dayton's X seven. 1:47:23.040 --> 1:47:26.880 It got a fucking devil on day ends, got all 1:47:26.960 --> 1:47:27.719 these flock carts. 1:47:28.640 --> 1:47:31.080 I'm with my man Bill and like, Bill, come inside 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:34.280 with me. He's like, I'm like, where are you gonna? 1:47:34.320 --> 1:47:40.759 Let me go in by myself? Knocking the door opens 1:47:40.800 --> 1:47:43.880 the door, Tony goes who you, I said, an MC 1:47:44.000 --> 1:47:47.760 search the fuck out of here. You the guy's been 1:47:47.800 --> 1:47:48.880 calling me, yep, come in. 1:47:50.200 --> 1:47:54.160 Walk through the walk through. The hallway opens up into 1:47:54.280 --> 1:47:55.600 this living room where the kitchen was. 1:47:58.320 --> 1:48:01.120 Grand Wizard Tony D's man, Lord True from the Eternal 1:48:01.200 --> 1:48:05.240 Forces right there, Grand Master D from Houdini, jam Master 1:48:05.439 --> 1:48:09.040 Jay Wow, right there, and Tony He's like, let's go 1:48:09.080 --> 1:48:12.640 in the basement. I had this little gold chain on 1:48:13.240 --> 1:48:15.920 with this little gold watch that my father gave me 1:48:15.960 --> 1:48:18.559 for my Ba Mitza, and I'm going down the stairs 1:48:18.600 --> 1:48:20.560 and all I'm thinking about is, damn, I'm about to 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:22.040 get robbed by three of the Great Deeper. 1:48:23.120 --> 1:48:24.519 Like I'm literally like, yo, I'm. 1:48:24.400 --> 1:48:28.479 About to get snuffed. Like it's pitch dark. Turns on 1:48:28.560 --> 1:48:31.479 a light, light light, Bubba's doing this. There's in a 1:48:31.600 --> 1:48:34.120 Kai twelve hundred and a booth and he sits me 1:48:34.200 --> 1:48:37.559 in a seat like this, and Jay's there, Grand Master 1:48:37.680 --> 1:48:39.599 D's there, Lord Chreue's there. 1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:43.320 And Tony D's behind me and he goes rack. 1:48:45.400 --> 1:48:46.960 I was like, so you think you're right, Well, got 1:48:47.000 --> 1:48:49.400 a sobo chance at hell to catch MC search because 1:48:49.439 --> 1:48:50.840 I'll ring your bell, assume. 1:48:50.600 --> 1:48:52.360 You withs out of my and I'm going hard for 1:48:52.439 --> 1:48:58.639 two minutes and Jay lean back and right fucking white 1:48:58.680 --> 1:49:00.360 boys start rhyming like that, I'm finish, so I need 1:49:00.400 --> 1:49:00.760 to take you on. 1:49:00.920 --> 1:49:03.880 And the next day took me to Rochester, New York 1:49:03.920 --> 1:49:07.200 with Davy DMX opened and that was my career. 1:49:07.280 --> 1:49:10.519 Wrote records for Houdini. And yeah, so I mean I 1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:11.240 love Clark, but. 1:49:13.120 --> 1:49:16.960 On my side conversely, I used to go to Clark 1:49:17.000 --> 1:49:21.080 Kent's crib on Union badging him to make break taste 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:24.080 for me to rhyme over begging him. He's already dated 1:49:24.160 --> 1:49:25.640 Dan's DJ. I was trying to get him to be 1:49:25.800 --> 1:49:29.680 my DJ, and he's putting up with me, and why 1:49:29.800 --> 1:49:31.720 is he putting up with you? He's putting Is there 1:49:31.720 --> 1:49:35.519 a reason? I mean, Danes, he was walking hot fire? 1:49:36.120 --> 1:49:37.080 Why are you putting up with him? 1:49:37.520 --> 1:49:39.479 Rhyme for him? Him? 1:49:39.479 --> 1:49:43.360 And also my boy Blake introduced us, and you know 1:49:43.479 --> 1:49:46.120 I had the radio show. Okay, the radio show came up. 1:49:46.200 --> 1:49:48.120 I was like, yo, Clark, I go let you. You 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:49.400 could go off for two hours. 1:49:49.479 --> 1:49:52.320 Vanilla B and Dana we all went to high school. 1:49:52.160 --> 1:49:56.000 Exactly, Okay, so like the way we got introduced. 1:49:55.600 --> 1:49:58.960 But he was familiar everything just came. The kicker is. 1:50:00.120 --> 1:50:02.639 If it wasn't for Clark, that man right there, Richie 1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:04.840 rich would not have been third bases. 1:50:04.960 --> 1:50:06.920 DJ would not know? How did that happen to put 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:07.160 us on? 1:50:07.439 --> 1:50:10.120 This is so I brought two of the worst DJs 1:50:10.160 --> 1:50:11.880 in the history of DJs into this group. 1:50:12.080 --> 1:50:13.800 Let's just pull it up. Can I just wait? Let 1:50:13.840 --> 1:50:14.479 me just pull it this. 1:50:14.800 --> 1:50:17.320 I brought two of the worst fucking DJs in the 1:50:17.400 --> 1:50:20.840 history of DJs to this group. I will claim, like 1:50:21.000 --> 1:50:23.800 I said, I would take responsibility. One kid named DJ 1:50:24.000 --> 1:50:27.360 Word and another kid named DJ White Knight. 1:50:27.479 --> 1:50:29.680 I hope they're not DJ anymore because you just and 1:50:29.840 --> 1:50:32.840 both White Knight was nice, man. 1:50:32.840 --> 1:50:33.240 He is not. 1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:36.120 No, no, what what? 1:50:36.560 --> 1:50:38.800 So what happened with White Night? So here's for a 1:50:38.920 --> 1:50:42.880 white kid from the backwoods? Attendant? So here's the ship. 1:50:43.040 --> 1:50:45.479 So this this I'm gonna tell you. 1:50:45.760 --> 1:50:48.720 I'm going I'm going to tell you so Search is like, Yo, 1:50:48.760 --> 1:50:50.640 I'm going to see MC holiday. 1:50:50.280 --> 1:50:52.760 Right, No, that's not what it was, So whould you go? No, No, 1:50:53.920 --> 1:50:55.439 I was going to see him, but not for what 1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:56.599 you think I was going to see him. 1:50:56.600 --> 1:50:59.920 But either way, Search showed up back in New York 1:51:00.800 --> 1:51:02.439 with this kid DJ not Yo Pete. 1:51:02.479 --> 1:51:03.920 I found out DJ Yo. 1:51:04.000 --> 1:51:06.920 If I'm looking at this kid did not know what 1:51:07.000 --> 1:51:10.840 a chicken cutlet was. No you, We asked him, how 1:51:10.880 --> 1:51:12.840 do you want your burger at Chung King? He said, 1:51:12.840 --> 1:51:14.240 what are you talking about? What are you talking about? 1:51:16.240 --> 1:51:17.559 He was like, oh, we don't do that. 1:51:19.040 --> 1:51:20.680 About his food choices? What's going on here? 1:51:21.200 --> 1:51:22.439 He was just he was just like he was. 1:51:22.640 --> 1:51:26.320 He was backwards. But could he spend? Could he he 1:51:27.120 --> 1:51:28.960 he did a lot of cuts on the captain. So 1:51:29.040 --> 1:51:31.360 he wasn't a terrible DJ. No, he was a terrible 1:51:31.439 --> 1:51:34.200 DJ because he got Okay. 1:51:34.400 --> 1:51:37.080 So you have to you have to meet and this 1:51:37.200 --> 1:51:40.040 is again my perspective, right, you have to capture the 1:51:40.080 --> 1:51:44.679 moment anytime. This man DJ, he captured the moment period 1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:47.160 one of the craziest moments. 1:51:47.240 --> 1:51:49.439 And here's your comparing these DJs to the greatest. 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:51.680 No no, no, no, I'm just saying, but the point is, 1:51:51.800 --> 1:51:53.880 like you have to still capture the moment. There was 1:51:53.920 --> 1:51:55.800 a moment in our senior hall when he was doing 1:51:55.880 --> 1:52:00.400 sitting at home run in our senior hall, are Sinial 1:52:00.520 --> 1:52:03.400 leaned on the turntable to watch. 1:52:04.280 --> 1:52:07.280 Just motherfucker fans lifts the needles. 1:52:06.960 --> 1:52:09.760 So it doesn't drop, puts it down, brings it back 1:52:11.520 --> 1:52:16.400 like nothing happened. Like, I'm sorry, technical motherfuckers. You don't 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:18.519 know how fucking hard that was, because the records should 1:52:18.520 --> 1:52:20.960 have skipped sitting in that home watching home. 1:52:24.880 --> 1:52:28.639 Wait, you anticipated our sinial hitting the table. Yeah. 1:52:28.720 --> 1:52:31.040 The first thing is like that was the first time 1:52:31.080 --> 1:52:34.240 I ever pulled that routine off clean. I never pulled 1:52:34.280 --> 1:52:40.200 it off clean, even when I was practicing it at home. So, 1:52:40.640 --> 1:52:42.760 I mean, he stood on the horizon and whatnot, and 1:52:43.400 --> 1:52:45.320 I thought it was work. 1:52:46.280 --> 1:52:46.439 Yo. 1:52:47.120 --> 1:52:49.400 So he and here, if you watch it, it's like 1:52:49.680 --> 1:52:52.160 it's our senial hole and then and so you see 1:52:52.240 --> 1:52:53.160 the needle and he's. 1:52:55.840 --> 1:52:56.439 It's crazy. 1:52:56.840 --> 1:52:59.639 So it's about capturing the moment. So I had White 1:52:59.720 --> 1:53:03.080 Knight in the Battle for Supremacy. Why one caption the 1:53:03.120 --> 1:53:07.600 moment this kid bricked like brick to the point he 1:53:07.640 --> 1:53:14.080 got booed, then wouldn't leave my crib, wouldn't come outside, 1:53:14.880 --> 1:53:16.439 called his mother how to pick. 1:53:16.320 --> 1:53:18.200 The DJ get booed, and that that part is get 1:53:19.840 --> 1:53:23.800 a battle, DJ battle, then he'll leave the crib. And 1:53:23.920 --> 1:53:27.320 then his mother came to pick him up. Sounds about right. 1:53:28.439 --> 1:53:32.080 So and I shouldn't have never looked outside of New 1:53:32.160 --> 1:53:33.800 York anyway. We had the greatest DJs in the world 1:53:33.880 --> 1:53:34.200 New York. 1:53:35.000 --> 1:53:36.879 So he was from Tennessee. 1:53:38.640 --> 1:53:41.400 So Clark is DJ and we have the Wreck the 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:43.720 Radio show together. We could do this show Tuesday night 1:53:43.800 --> 1:53:47.040 is w k c R, and we started one hour. 1:53:47.360 --> 1:53:50.160 We're up to three hours a night. Then Clark's like, yo, 1:53:50.600 --> 1:53:53.439 I gotta go out with Dana and he's like, YO, 1:53:54.560 --> 1:53:57.639 don't worry about it. I got my man, Richie Rich 1:53:57.760 --> 1:54:00.240 to cover for me. So that's when I met Richie Rich. 1:54:00.320 --> 1:54:03.240 I got the business search had that that then. 1:54:03.360 --> 1:54:06.280 Clark had said, this is my man's feeling. 1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:08.800 Wow. I actually had the flyers that we used to make. 1:54:09.600 --> 1:54:11.720 I had the flyer and I had to put the 1:54:11.840 --> 1:54:15.719 Richie Rich over the Clark can printed up on alternate weeks. 1:54:15.880 --> 1:54:20.080 And that's how this man became my DJ first because 1:54:20.080 --> 1:54:22.160 we used to go to Funky Slice making the demos 1:54:22.200 --> 1:54:25.880 for Brooklyn Queens originally, and then rich was out in 1:54:25.960 --> 1:54:29.720 Farmingdale at school and he couldn't get in, So that's 1:54:29.800 --> 1:54:31.880 why he was going to be our first DJ before 1:54:32.000 --> 1:54:34.040 night and he just couldn't make it in and then 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:37.080 boom tell us about how when you made it in rich. 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:42.920 Listen, First, let's let's shout up White Knight and DJ Work. 1:54:49.840 --> 1:54:50.760 I have to tell the story. 1:54:50.920 --> 1:54:53.800 There was one point where I don't know, It's like 1:54:54.760 --> 1:54:56.920 DJ Night also eat like a piece of cake, didn't 1:54:56.960 --> 1:54:58.480 he eat like a piece of cake at one point 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:00.440 and got really pissed off and the and it was 1:55:00.480 --> 1:55:04.200 like sometimes routine was like it was it was like 1:55:04.240 --> 1:55:05.240 a birthday cake or something. 1:55:05.400 --> 1:55:08.120 We were they're in the video, They're in seven to 1:55:08.240 --> 1:55:10.400 the Amy, both in seven to the Am. They're both 1:55:10.440 --> 1:55:13.080 in the video. In the video, it was just like 1:55:13.200 --> 1:55:15.160 I told you, I was done in the right head. 1:55:15.160 --> 1:55:18.560 But at this point, like I was really against DJ 1:55:18.720 --> 1:55:19.680 Knight time. 1:55:19.720 --> 1:55:21.120 I was like, Sorch, what the fuck are you doing? 1:55:21.560 --> 1:55:25.000 Good for Tennessee. I like DJ Knight. 1:55:25.120 --> 1:55:27.040 I was like we were in the studio hanging out 1:55:27.040 --> 1:55:28.160 with him and then boom, next thing you know, I 1:55:28.240 --> 1:55:28.560 was like, yo. 1:55:28.960 --> 1:55:33.080 Pete Night's gone. His mom came to pick him up. 1:55:33.120 --> 1:55:35.960 He went back to Tennessee at boom and and to 1:55:36.120 --> 1:55:36.800 Richie rich. 1:55:38.280 --> 1:55:40.600 So Night did. But just so you know, both Knight 1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:43.080 had and still does like he still does. 1:55:43.200 --> 1:55:46.200 D He's still DJs is the former DJ of Third 1:55:46.280 --> 1:55:47.400 Base all through Nashville. 1:55:47.840 --> 1:55:50.760 He was officially your guys DJ on officially when me 1:55:50.760 --> 1:55:53.560 and Barto had a label hoto, he actually was. 1:55:53.680 --> 1:55:55.920 It was DJ Night who discovered Camp Base D. So 1:55:56.120 --> 1:55:58.120 like DJ said, ways them, bro let me. 1:56:02.960 --> 1:56:08.920 Let Night, but he's like DJ White Knight, Let's go 1:56:09.000 --> 1:56:09.640 with DJ Night. 1:56:10.240 --> 1:56:11.080 I'm just telling you. 1:56:11.640 --> 1:56:14.040 There's a famous picture in the Hip Hop Connection the 1:56:14.480 --> 1:56:17.640 u K where we had our first photo shoot, and 1:56:17.840 --> 1:56:19.320 DJ Night is right down with us. 1:56:19.720 --> 1:56:20.880 First photo shoot was in the UK. 1:56:21.360 --> 1:56:23.600 No that yeah, it was like Normsky, I think took 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:26.760 the photos. He came into Elizabeth Street. We went right 1:56:26.800 --> 1:56:28.720 around the corner and boom. That was like the first 1:56:28.760 --> 1:56:30.240 time I think we were in a magazine. 1:56:30.600 --> 1:56:33.960 Wow. Yeah he did the next one too. I love. 1:56:35.840 --> 1:56:39.000 I think we Yeah, we gotta drink. We gotta drink, 1:56:39.000 --> 1:56:42.680 We do gotta drink. It was split cheers and rest 1:56:42.720 --> 1:56:45.600 in peace both legends. 1:56:45.680 --> 1:56:49.600 Man. Apologies to Hurricane, but he was the best friend. 1:56:49.640 --> 1:56:51.960 I couldn't pick UJ on that one, even though I 1:56:52.000 --> 1:56:52.320 wanted to. 1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:55.240 I love I love both of those men, not just legends, 1:56:55.280 --> 1:56:56.160 pioneers as well. 1:56:58.160 --> 1:57:02.240 Kick Capria read Alert for me. 1:57:02.360 --> 1:57:05.720 It's red Alert and I love Kid Capri even though 1:57:05.760 --> 1:57:08.320 he looks like me. And every time I go, you know, 1:57:09.000 --> 1:57:14.080 and I'm like, no, absolutely kick Capri right now. If 1:57:14.120 --> 1:57:20.760 I'm in an airport, you're kid, You'll care, Yeah you can. 1:57:20.920 --> 1:57:21.560 No, I'm not. 1:57:22.120 --> 1:57:24.480 And King Capri goes back so far people don't even 1:57:24.480 --> 1:57:25.880 know we got him on fly. There was a fly 1:57:26.080 --> 1:57:29.520 with Paradise where I think a group called the Throwdown 1:57:29.560 --> 1:57:31.800 four where they were battling for the name against Kid Capri. 1:57:32.000 --> 1:57:32.520 No, he's. 1:57:34.000 --> 1:57:36.520 But I got it. When you're put in Ky Capri. 1:57:36.400 --> 1:57:38.320 Up against Red Alert, it's not fair because there's no 1:57:38.440 --> 1:57:41.560 way that anyone can know the impact had on you 1:57:42.320 --> 1:57:45.720 just rap Radio, the Big Show, just and you know, 1:57:45.840 --> 1:57:48.800 going back to the Zulu days. I mean know, not 1:57:48.920 --> 1:57:50.880 for the fact personally all that he did for us. 1:57:51.480 --> 1:57:53.120 You know, like Red would not play a record if 1:57:53.160 --> 1:57:55.480 he didn't like a record. Correct, And he did not 1:57:55.640 --> 1:57:58.120 like Steven Today, Correct, he did not, he did not 1:57:58.320 --> 1:58:01.320 like it. He played it, but didn't kill it, right, 1:58:01.520 --> 1:58:04.720 And but then he loved Gas Phase correct. And you know, 1:58:04.760 --> 1:58:09.440 I mean also like the guy met him in the world. 1:58:10.400 --> 1:58:13.040 I met him in lag quarterback when me and Rich 1:58:13.120 --> 1:58:16.720 got together. We made this uh little demo and we 1:58:16.840 --> 1:58:19.640 had the radio show and read new about the radio show, 1:58:19.720 --> 1:58:21.120 and he had the whole week could do this thing. 1:58:21.160 --> 1:58:22.880 We were calling our show we could do this right 1:58:22.880 --> 1:58:25.360 at the same time, and he said, hey, why don't 1:58:25.360 --> 1:58:27.600 you do it promo for me? So me and Rich 1:58:27.680 --> 1:58:30.600 went in, cut into funky slice, delivered it to him. 1:58:30.600 --> 1:58:32.560 Boom played it the next week. That's why you know 1:58:33.440 --> 1:58:37.440 he made He made us, you know, shout out. 1:58:37.360 --> 1:58:43.640 Absolute thinking on that one Swiss Beasts of Timberland. 1:58:47.840 --> 1:58:50.520 It's funny because as soon as you say Swiss speeds 1:58:50.560 --> 1:58:54.480 are Timberland, all I hurry in my head is on Mellillilli. 1:58:57.080 --> 1:59:02.840 So you're thinking Swiss beats. No, I don't know what that. No, 1:59:02.960 --> 1:59:05.640 I know, I know you didn't do it. That's all 1:59:06.760 --> 1:59:07.240 litill Wayne. 1:59:07.280 --> 1:59:11.120 It's still waingneay me right now we're talking about I 1:59:11.160 --> 1:59:12.080 didn't asked nothing about it. 1:59:12.280 --> 1:59:17.000 Johnson made there. You know, it's funny because every it's 1:59:17.040 --> 1:59:20.920 funny because every time I don't know what it is. 1:59:21.040 --> 1:59:22.400 I know Banglades did the beat. 1:59:22.960 --> 1:59:25.160 Every time somebody says Swiss speachs, that's the first thing 1:59:25.200 --> 1:59:26.920 out here that's weird. 1:59:27.240 --> 1:59:31.040 I do think that's that left over when you get 1:59:33.000 --> 1:59:35.000 I don't even know why, Like I don't know why 1:59:35.280 --> 1:59:36.880 it is like my brain goes to that. 1:59:38.400 --> 1:59:40.480 When I hear Swiss beans, I think of band from 1:59:40.480 --> 1:59:41.760 TV Automatic. 1:59:42.720 --> 1:59:45.760 But we need you to answer those the Swiss. You 1:59:45.800 --> 1:59:50.880 still want me to answer? I started, no, no, no, 1:59:51.440 --> 1:59:54.600 some more time, no no no. What did you say? 1:59:54.880 --> 1:59:56.720 Well, I mean, considering the fact that I'm trying to 1:59:56.760 --> 2:00:00.400 get Swiss beats alone, cool heart speakers, can I not 2:00:00.480 --> 2:00:01.160 say Swiss beating? 2:00:01.160 --> 2:00:01.600 That's right? 2:00:01.760 --> 2:00:05.960 Okay, which, by the way, is super flows that now 2:00:06.040 --> 2:00:09.160 that we know that, Yeah, that's one of Flex. 2:00:09.240 --> 2:00:13.000 That's a major. That's a major Flex one hundred twenty 2:00:13.080 --> 2:00:14.720 grand major. 2:00:14.480 --> 2:00:17.800 F which is great because it wins what that was 2:00:17.880 --> 2:00:18.160 sold by. 2:00:19.360 --> 2:00:20.680 Yeah, it is it really is. 2:00:22.640 --> 2:00:24.880 You actually beat out Knaves and Peter bit of ben 2:00:25.000 --> 2:00:26.280 because that's American history. 2:00:27.440 --> 2:00:34.760 Shoulder your shoulder, listen. You gotta make it right for 2:00:34.880 --> 2:00:35.480 you to make a choice. 2:00:35.480 --> 2:00:35.560 Man. 2:00:35.640 --> 2:00:38.640 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, I gotta go with Swiss. 2:00:39.400 --> 2:00:41.240 I gotta go with Swiss just because the Dmax Shop 2:00:41.400 --> 2:00:43.720 band from TV and Yeah both went Swiss. 2:00:44.040 --> 2:00:48.720 What do you think, Simbo? All right, drink drink, put 2:00:48.760 --> 2:00:55.520 your drinks up. The boy made some great records. 2:00:56.000 --> 2:00:59.960 Oh cool, coming back out. I spoke to Swiss person. 2:01:00.320 --> 2:01:06.080 Well they didn't come to til burgers e P M BU. 2:01:06.320 --> 2:01:12.240 Or Nice and you said they're going to erase that 2:01:12.240 --> 2:01:19.920 ship from their mind already, mob both yall right, now, 2:01:20.040 --> 2:01:23.320 just for the confusion, which one is it? De m 2:01:23.360 --> 2:01:30.040 O P I mean m O P Queen's get the 2:01:30.120 --> 2:01:34.000 money m O P is Brooklyn, Brooklyn. Yeah, are you sure? 2:01:34.120 --> 2:01:38.640 I said, Mom Deep? I said, Mom Deep o money. Yeah, 2:01:38.640 --> 2:01:49.720 we got it on cameras. Yeah, you've been real real bro. Wow, 2:01:50.360 --> 2:01:51.400 I really said, m O P. 2:01:52.760 --> 2:01:52.960 Wow. 2:01:54.040 --> 2:01:58.400 No, mob D okay, Mob Deep Okay, mob Deep Brooklyn 2:01:58.600 --> 2:01:58.920 the money. 2:01:58.920 --> 2:01:59.960 I got it. 2:02:01.960 --> 2:02:04.680 In the house. I know we we we're gonna have 2:02:04.720 --> 2:02:06.920 to skip this one. We're gonna skip this one because 2:02:06.920 --> 2:02:10.400 we we want to know m O P. Okay. Okakay, 2:02:11.480 --> 2:02:11.920 we say that. 2:02:15.440 --> 2:02:15.640 Move. 2:02:15.760 --> 2:02:19.520 Don't we have to drink because it's okay. This one, 2:02:19.560 --> 2:02:21.960 it's okay, just move E P M D or Nice? 2:02:22.000 --> 2:02:24.640 And this one? Did we take a pass on this one? 2:02:24.800 --> 2:02:28.960 Well it's drink. Yeah, well you can either. I'm gonna 2:02:28.960 --> 2:02:30.760 have to drink on this one, all right. Yeah, I 2:02:30.800 --> 2:02:33.640 can't pick one either. Really, Yeah, that's what we were 2:02:33.680 --> 2:02:37.920 trying to get the all show. Yeah. No, if this 2:02:38.160 --> 2:02:41.560 is your attempt to do this show, you've failed miserably. No, No, 2:02:42.160 --> 2:02:43.000 were trying to get. 2:02:42.920 --> 2:02:45.680 Try to say, no, I know it doesn't matter, you're 2:02:45.680 --> 2:02:46.360 failing miserable. 2:02:46.440 --> 2:02:48.000 Yes, yes, I'm gonna take this one. I mean that 2:02:48.120 --> 2:02:50.480 was that was the toughest one. M d ns. Oh yeah, 2:02:50.520 --> 2:02:51.320 that was definitely tough. 2:02:51.720 --> 2:02:55.240 Analog or digital should be, I would imagine, I mean 2:02:55.320 --> 2:03:02.120 for me, yeah, for whoever past kill me pass the mic. 2:03:02.480 --> 2:03:08.920 Yeah, no, here's the thing for me again. Just my perspective. 2:03:10.520 --> 2:03:13.200 I've been fortunate enough to work with some incredible artists, 2:03:14.360 --> 2:03:16.760 one of the most recently Bodh James. Who And I'll 2:03:16.800 --> 2:03:18.480 say it right now, and I'll stand on business and 2:03:18.520 --> 2:03:20.640 I'll give a fuck who comes after me on this one. 2:03:22.360 --> 2:03:26.040 Body James last ten albums, not including the Harry Fraud 2:03:26.120 --> 2:03:29.320 record that he just put out, The Brictionary his last 2:03:29.360 --> 2:03:32.720 ten albums. Has not been a single MC ever in 2:03:32.800 --> 2:03:35.480 the history of the culture ever to put out ten 2:03:35.520 --> 2:03:38.320 albums as strong as Body James. I stand on business, 2:03:38.800 --> 2:03:41.920 not Jay, not nas. I don't give a fuck who 2:03:41.960 --> 2:03:46.280 you can find Body James last ten albums And that's 2:03:46.480 --> 2:03:49.600 it's and if it wasn't for digital, it would never happened. 2:03:50.520 --> 2:03:54.120 So you're saying, no, I'm saying that because. 2:03:53.880 --> 2:04:01.520 I say, this record on analog. This crazy that that happened, 2:04:02.760 --> 2:04:06.960 that they found the reels is crazy, transfer the digital crazy, 2:04:07.120 --> 2:04:08.960 which is analog. The fact that they found the reels 2:04:09.200 --> 2:04:13.080 crazy to be analog crazy. So and the process that 2:04:13.200 --> 2:04:19.840 it took those reels of course, of course both because 2:04:19.920 --> 2:04:22.280 I'm saying past because I can't pick one over the other. 2:04:22.680 --> 2:04:28.280 Both and like Ni Ni Shae is about to be 2:04:28.360 --> 2:04:29.480 a problem, how about you, I. 2:04:29.520 --> 2:04:33.560 Gotta say analogist because it's the rap records, like we 2:04:33.640 --> 2:04:36.920 have the original reels for super rapping and funk you 2:04:37.000 --> 2:04:37.800 for wrapping. 2:04:37.560 --> 2:04:41.560 A rock in the house. And and that's a great point. 2:04:42.200 --> 2:04:42.680 Great point. 2:04:43.120 --> 2:04:47.440 Yeah, digital is making too many untalented people seem talented. 2:04:47.920 --> 2:04:52.680 I'll go with analogs. And there was something about analog 2:04:52.800 --> 2:04:55.440 gatekeeping that's okay. Does that make sense? 2:04:55.720 --> 2:04:58.760 Yes, up to a certain point, Like because there were 2:04:58.800 --> 2:05:01.880 so many great artist that couldn't get on because the 2:05:01.920 --> 2:05:03.600 analog was so expensive. 2:05:04.200 --> 2:05:04.680 Great point. 2:05:04.880 --> 2:05:07.480 Yeah, And right now so many artists that shouldn't be 2:05:07.560 --> 2:05:10.320 on correct getting on because because it's so cheap, cheap. 2:05:10.360 --> 2:05:11.880 But the drive. You had to have to get in 2:05:11.960 --> 2:05:12.960 an analog studio. 2:05:13.520 --> 2:05:15.800 You had to be about that life, about that life, 2:05:16.360 --> 2:05:20.520 and it really took a lot of effort to get 2:05:20.560 --> 2:05:22.920 in the studio and make music. 2:05:23.200 --> 2:05:26.360 I respect the people that just had a vinyl record. 2:05:26.440 --> 2:05:29.960 I was like, I might not like this song, but man, 2:05:30.040 --> 2:05:30.880 I got respect for you. 2:05:31.200 --> 2:05:31.280 Bro. 2:05:31.400 --> 2:05:33.480 When I found that to get to that, bro, when 2:05:33.520 --> 2:05:35.680 I found that the fn K deff looking for the 2:05:35.720 --> 2:05:38.040 perfect beat remix, Bro, damn near crowd. 2:05:38.080 --> 2:05:39.960 When I saw that for that ship is fire. 2:05:42.000 --> 2:05:45.040 It's important to preserve the history of analog and just 2:05:45.200 --> 2:05:48.320 the whole studio history, like the Hit Factory donated the 2:05:48.400 --> 2:05:52.839 actual or the actual studio to hip hop music created 2:05:52.920 --> 2:05:54.880 that's dope, and you know you we we find all 2:05:54.920 --> 2:05:58.280 these two inchs like I found rock Stands, rock Stands Revenge, 2:05:58.400 --> 2:06:02.520 the original two inches Raster Real Wow, or the promo 2:06:02.720 --> 2:06:05.360 that was I mean starting on Mister Magic. It wasn't 2:06:05.360 --> 2:06:08.960 even a record, it was broadcast on live on the air. 2:06:09.360 --> 2:06:10.680 We have like the two inch tape. 2:06:10.960 --> 2:06:15.680 I love all hip hop legendary studios, d n D, Yeah, John. 2:06:15.600 --> 2:06:22.800 King Ring Street, Calio, p Callipe Callipe was daily and I. 2:06:22.800 --> 2:06:28.560 Mean yo shout Misriguez talk Rodriguez on board. 2:06:29.360 --> 2:06:31.920 Well down here we had Criteria which ended up becoming. 2:06:31.640 --> 2:06:33.480 The Hip Factory. And it's circle. 2:06:34.040 --> 2:06:37.480 It was originally Circle seventh Street in New York City, right, Yeah, 2:06:38.160 --> 2:06:39.480 I love the Circle houses. 2:06:39.560 --> 2:06:43.480 Legendary houses will always be legend h house will never die, 2:06:44.680 --> 2:06:45.840 big big Quad. 2:06:47.520 --> 2:06:52.080 And Richard shout out after this day, control still there. 2:06:53.240 --> 2:06:56.400 So yeah, it's solder you could feel pot sould when 2:06:56.400 --> 2:07:00.480 you're walking. Quad, I don't. I don't know why. Oh Alex, lady, 2:07:01.320 --> 2:07:03.240 lady jim he's your ship? About the cat? 2:07:03.440 --> 2:07:06.480 Is the white cat in there? The only I'm alergy 2:07:06.560 --> 2:07:07.960 old cats, the only cat. 2:07:08.240 --> 2:07:10.040 Allergic to it. I don't know if I'm not alerted 2:07:10.080 --> 2:07:10.200 to it. 2:07:10.280 --> 2:07:12.400 It just never broke me out, Like I will walk 2:07:12.440 --> 2:07:14.680 through and everyone will say, that's Jimmy Hendrick cat. 2:07:15.040 --> 2:07:19.360 I mean, like his spirit. Yeah, okay, all right? And 2:07:20.040 --> 2:07:21.920 d or Buck Wow, oh. 2:07:23.760 --> 2:07:27.960 Oh fuck you Dominican and the Columbia who write the 2:07:28.040 --> 2:07:28.880 questions right behind you. 2:07:29.160 --> 2:07:29.560 It's not me. 2:07:29.680 --> 2:07:33.280 We don't write these quick times line questions. Yeah yeah, right, 2:07:33.720 --> 2:07:35.000 I got a great Buck Wild story. 2:07:35.200 --> 2:07:39.120 I know you love these stories. So I'm working on 2:07:39.160 --> 2:07:43.280 the O C record. I signed him to Wild Pitch 2:07:44.920 --> 2:07:48.400 and I just finished executive producing. 2:07:48.080 --> 2:07:51.560 Ellmatic Wow Life Flow so Lifelow. 2:07:56.440 --> 2:08:00.280 And the difference between making those records was, you know, 2:08:00.480 --> 2:08:01.640 NAS made eleven. 2:08:01.440 --> 2:08:05.440 Songs, right, and I believe with an intro right, and. 2:08:06.960 --> 2:08:11.840 I'm maybe at forty demos with d TC and oh 2:08:12.840 --> 2:08:14.400 and we couldn't find the right record. 2:08:15.680 --> 2:08:18.760 And I'm sorry, yeah, no, No, for the fans that's listening, 2:08:18.960 --> 2:08:21.120 I probably don't know that. Let me say forty demos, 2:08:21.360 --> 2:08:23.360 you are actually missing forty records? 2:08:23.680 --> 2:08:25.520 Correct? Okay, yeah, because I don't he was you know, 2:08:25.560 --> 2:08:26.680 we talked about analog, right. 2:08:26.760 --> 2:08:30.080 So he's in a studio two inch reo forty songs, 2:08:30.360 --> 2:08:33.360 forty songs with d TC recorded. 2:08:33.360 --> 2:08:38.800 Wild og like Showbiz, all of them working, working, working. 2:08:38.760 --> 2:08:39.600 All their production. 2:08:39.840 --> 2:08:43.280 Yeah okay, and they're bringing back records and I'm like, nope, nope. 2:08:44.040 --> 2:08:46.160 So our office is a Wild Pitch. 2:08:46.120 --> 2:08:50.440 Had a roof deck that we could go on to 2:08:50.720 --> 2:08:55.320 to hang out, and at one point of making this record, 2:08:55.480 --> 2:08:58.560 I thought for sure either I was gonna get thrown 2:08:58.600 --> 2:09:01.520 off the roof are always going to get thrown off. 2:09:01.560 --> 2:09:04.920 Through one of my last meetings with these guys, they 2:09:05.040 --> 2:09:07.600 all came to see me and I thought for sure, 2:09:08.000 --> 2:09:14.000 was this the sec all of them? But Oh show ah, No, 2:09:15.200 --> 2:09:19.480 but all of them, and they're furious. I'm fucking update money. 2:09:20.080 --> 2:09:23.160 Oh got to put out a record, and I'm like, look, 2:09:24.400 --> 2:09:25.560 you ain't got the record yet. 2:09:26.560 --> 2:09:28.720 Trust me, I know what the record sounds like. You 2:09:28.760 --> 2:09:29.200 ain't got it. 2:09:31.080 --> 2:09:35.880 Two days later, Oh comes in and the receptions downstairs, 2:09:35.920 --> 2:09:39.440 a wall pictures named Milky. Milky calls me, Oh's coming up. 2:09:39.440 --> 2:09:44.520 He ain't saying nohing, no nobody. My man left his 2:09:45.040 --> 2:09:46.560 his thing in my office. 2:09:47.560 --> 2:09:50.240 So I pull. I'm figuring this is when it's going 2:09:50.280 --> 2:09:50.640 to happen. 2:09:52.520 --> 2:09:55.720 He pushes me out of the way and goes to 2:09:55.840 --> 2:09:59.160 my DAT player and opens the That player puts it 2:09:59.240 --> 2:10:02.720 dat in closes a debt and I'm like, yo, was it? 2:10:04.520 --> 2:10:09.760 And I'm like, yo, you could presses play. It's about 2:10:09.800 --> 2:10:11.480 five seconds of fucking emptiness. 2:10:12.200 --> 2:10:24.800 And I hear boom boom theo stone Tom's up. Boom 2:10:25.080 --> 2:10:28.520 boo boom ba boom ba boon bo boon ba boom. 2:10:28.600 --> 2:10:29.160 Time's up. 2:10:29.560 --> 2:10:32.560 You lack the minerals and the hair is filt right now, 2:10:32.680 --> 2:10:35.960 right turns and he turned and he turns me around. 2:10:35.760 --> 2:10:38.640 And he says and he says to me, and he 2:10:38.680 --> 2:10:41.240 says to me, I understand now. 2:10:42.240 --> 2:10:46.200 Buck comes up and says, I understand now, And two 2:10:46.560 --> 2:10:51.280 weeks later the whole album was finished. Fast forward thirty 2:10:51.360 --> 2:10:54.839 years later, we're doing this thing called Top Shelf with Rostrom. 2:10:55.520 --> 2:10:55.680 Right. 2:10:56.480 --> 2:10:58.520 I hadn't talked to Buck in at least fifteen years. 2:10:58.560 --> 2:11:00.480 He pulls me over and he says, yo, I never 2:11:00.600 --> 2:11:04.160 thanked you for that. Ain't all lesson? I said, of 2:11:04.200 --> 2:11:04.600 course you did. 2:11:04.680 --> 2:11:05.040 He said no. 2:11:06.320 --> 2:11:09.960 Right after that happened, I was in the tunnel and 2:11:10.080 --> 2:11:12.280 I saw a big and Big told me that was 2:11:12.320 --> 2:11:13.120 his favorite record. 2:11:13.440 --> 2:11:15.160 And I got to do story to tell because of 2:11:15.200 --> 2:11:18.760 that record. And if it wasn't for you, and it 2:11:18.880 --> 2:11:19.320 wasn't for you. 2:11:19.440 --> 2:11:21.880 Pushing us so hard on those forty fucking records that 2:11:21.920 --> 2:11:23.800 we all thought should have been on word Life, we 2:11:23.960 --> 2:11:25.040 never would have got to word Life. 2:11:25.080 --> 2:11:28.040 I never would have got the times up. So thank you. Wow, 2:11:28.080 --> 2:11:35.880 God damn makes a noise for that answer. What's the answer, diamond, 2:11:35.880 --> 2:11:36.600 dear buckets? 2:11:37.000 --> 2:11:44.360 For me, it's obvious as Buckwell shout out a book man, Yeah, 2:11:44.480 --> 2:11:46.160 old g I t C is coreat that cruise. 2:11:46.200 --> 2:11:49.400 Fucking crazy because he's saying both because he said past 2:11:50.440 --> 2:11:51.520 drinks and we still got a drink. 2:11:52.160 --> 2:11:57.720 Let's say both that passed. I don't like salute salut 2:11:59.480 --> 2:12:07.120 oh the meal being like rosa. Oh yeah, that's you, bro. 2:12:07.280 --> 2:12:10.720 That's the New York sports stuff you want to feel 2:12:10.880 --> 2:12:13.680 sitting there. I mean, I got, I got enough raise 2:12:13.880 --> 2:12:16.200 you got that's easy. 2:12:16.960 --> 2:12:21.400 I mean for me, that's easy. Queens all day, Mets, 2:12:21.480 --> 2:12:26.960 Jet's nixt Wait wait wait, I don't watch none of that. 2:12:27.560 --> 2:12:31.400 So it's passed, yea pass watch it? 2:12:31.520 --> 2:12:33.440 I don't watch it. We don't care. I like this 2:12:33.960 --> 2:12:38.440 not technically a pass past. Yeah, that's actually a pass. 2:12:38.480 --> 2:12:42.240 But there's no drink, so you got to drinks. That's 2:12:42.280 --> 2:12:46.120 the way you should use. How many passes do you get? Though? 2:12:46.720 --> 2:12:49.400 It unlimited past it's cool because you're not drinking, so 2:12:49.520 --> 2:12:52.160 you know, yeah, so it's designated you've been drinking. 2:12:52.240 --> 2:12:56.880 Yeah, flex flex, you can take this one. I'm sorry, 2:12:57.000 --> 2:13:00.360 we wind that you can take this one. Flex for clue, 2:13:04.000 --> 2:13:06.120 we should start with you. That's we're gonna start with you. 2:13:06.320 --> 2:13:10.320 Really, and you said it was just flex to DJ Okay, 2:13:12.680 --> 2:13:15.600 clue doesn't DJ No, I got it, I got it, 2:13:15.680 --> 2:13:18.200 flexy DJ and need Jamaican. 2:13:20.520 --> 2:13:21.120 And there is. 2:13:22.760 --> 2:13:25.520 He's like Lennar Mercy, that was hard. 2:13:30.000 --> 2:13:34.000 I'll stay with my brother Daddy rich flex. Okay, queens 2:13:34.040 --> 2:13:37.680 get the money. Okay, queens get the money. 2:13:39.800 --> 2:13:41.560 I mean they both have a clue. They both did 2:13:41.760 --> 2:13:46.760 the little big things. Yeah, clue, all right, my nigga 2:13:48.160 --> 2:13:49.600 New Jack City or Juice. 2:13:51.560 --> 2:13:58.160 For real. So that's that's that's that's both. That's both 2:13:58.320 --> 2:14:01.000 hip hop. That's what you was hating on New I 2:14:01.160 --> 2:14:04.200 never hated on New York. No hate on us. We 2:14:04.360 --> 2:14:06.080 never hate it on y'all. Y'all hate it. We didn't 2:14:06.120 --> 2:14:10.000 hate on mine on the rest of We're not gonna 2:14:10.000 --> 2:14:13.840 get into this argument. You remember the story you just 2:14:13.960 --> 2:14:15.960 told when I went and then they put two life 2:14:16.000 --> 2:14:16.440 creup before. 2:14:16.560 --> 2:14:16.920 Uh huh. 2:14:18.400 --> 2:14:23.640 Yeah, but I didn't understand, no comprehend. You were like, no, no, no, 2:14:24.480 --> 2:14:30.000 I no, we never hated, no, of course not. Wait, 2:14:30.080 --> 2:14:32.880 there's a difference between hating and not understanding. I didn't 2:14:32.880 --> 2:14:34.800 say hate, you did. You just said you hated on us. 2:14:34.840 --> 2:14:36.400 We gotta go on tag but we got. 2:14:39.080 --> 2:14:39.560 We got. 2:14:40.920 --> 2:14:41.720 Hating it hating. 2:14:42.440 --> 2:14:45.000 You didn't hate. We didn't understand. It's a difference. It's 2:14:45.040 --> 2:14:46.120 a cultural difference. 2:14:46.240 --> 2:14:49.760 I like that breaking in New York locked out everybody 2:14:49.800 --> 2:14:52.640 else in the couse we didn't. It comes out Okay, 2:14:52.760 --> 2:14:55.560 great story, but understand it's not a great story. What 2:14:55.600 --> 2:14:57.560 I'm saying that that is the story. But I'm saying 2:14:57.760 --> 2:15:00.640 it happened. Though it happened, it didn't. It didn't not happened. 2:15:00.880 --> 2:15:03.040 But I'm just saying to you that it wasn't based 2:15:03.240 --> 2:15:07.440 on hate. It wasn't like you did anything to cause hate. 2:15:08.080 --> 2:15:09.280 We just didn't understand. 2:15:09.360 --> 2:15:12.480 It depends when you hear people from New York saying, oh, y'all, 2:15:12.560 --> 2:15:14.960 Bama's y'all, this y'all, that that is hate. 2:15:15.680 --> 2:15:18.160 That's not what we're standing York though. But yeah, no, 2:15:18.440 --> 2:15:23.040 and first of all, Bama most of the country are 2:15:23.120 --> 2:15:27.840 excuse me, considered just FYI, it wasn't Bamas, it was Bumpkins. 2:15:28.120 --> 2:15:30.320 It's different. No, we wear a lot of things, a 2:15:30.480 --> 2:15:31.120 lot of things. 2:15:31.240 --> 2:15:31.280 No. 2:15:31.400 --> 2:15:34.720 No, the point was it wasn't because of hate. It 2:15:34.840 --> 2:15:37.640 was because of lack of understanding. We weren't around Jill. 2:15:37.960 --> 2:15:41.440 So if we can articulate this way different, if I'm 2:15:41.520 --> 2:15:44.640 the same at twenty four, then it wasn't fifty four. 2:15:44.680 --> 2:15:47.680 I wasted thirty years of my life. I'll just say 2:15:47.720 --> 2:15:49.839 this and this is a whole other podcast. 2:15:49.880 --> 2:15:52.120 Y'all had some bad but hip hop would be different 2:15:52.200 --> 2:15:54.120 now if New York would have opened up a little 2:15:54.160 --> 2:15:56.440 bit more at a certain time, absolutely, hip hop would 2:15:56.480 --> 2:15:57.440 be totally different. 2:15:57.840 --> 2:16:06.120 That is one hundred percent because everybody yet now, I 2:16:08.000 --> 2:16:12.280 don't know what you say you were like, I can't 2:16:12.280 --> 2:16:17.240 wait to a record with that. I don't know what 2:16:17.280 --> 2:16:21.160 you're talking about right now, but let it up. 2:16:21.720 --> 2:16:24.480 And when we're looking but looking at our beautiful things, 2:16:24.520 --> 2:16:26.520 all right, now, look how horrible this music is. 2:16:26.720 --> 2:16:29.320 Hell, get out of here, bro get it. You don't 2:16:29.320 --> 2:16:30.320 want to. That's not the way. 2:16:30.400 --> 2:16:32.040 That's not the way this went. That's not the way 2:16:32.120 --> 2:16:34.720 this went. No, that's not the way. I listen. 2:16:35.280 --> 2:16:35.680 You're right. 2:16:35.959 --> 2:16:37.520 History is going to see it, thank you very much. 2:16:37.800 --> 2:16:39.120 History is going to see it a different way. 2:16:39.240 --> 2:16:41.760 Right. History is going to see it as hate. Right, 2:16:41.840 --> 2:16:44.320 I got it, I get it, forget keeping. Let's does 2:16:44.400 --> 2:16:44.960 not call it hate. 2:16:45.000 --> 2:16:47.800 Let's I think that's a good immersion of ioeping for 2:16:47.959 --> 2:16:51.520 me at this point in my life, I would just 2:16:51.600 --> 2:16:53.840 prefer to use different adjectives to describe ship. 2:16:54.040 --> 2:16:56.480 And for me, it was just different, like we didn't 2:16:56.560 --> 2:16:59.520 get it, like we didn't get what we loved about. 2:16:59.560 --> 2:17:02.879 It was the things that we understood right going out, 2:17:03.000 --> 2:17:06.119 having a good time, being around people. You know that part, 2:17:06.320 --> 2:17:11.160 eating good, drinking good, smoking good, feeling good. Everything else 2:17:11.240 --> 2:17:13.480 didn't make sense to us, like the beats, and it 2:17:13.560 --> 2:17:15.600 didn't make sense to us because we didn't come from that. 2:17:15.680 --> 2:17:17.680 It was just different. It wasn't hate. It was a 2:17:17.760 --> 2:17:18.600 lack of understanding. 2:17:19.400 --> 2:17:22.119 The thing about New Yorkers and this is the one 2:17:22.200 --> 2:17:25.960 thing that's just about New Yorkers. We come from a 2:17:26.040 --> 2:17:29.440 place that's so siloed and so eco, Like, we don't 2:17:29.560 --> 2:17:31.640 understand how you don't get around on the subway. 2:17:31.879 --> 2:17:34.120 We don't understand how you don't know every street in 2:17:34.160 --> 2:17:35.520 the five Burroughs. We don't. 2:17:36.080 --> 2:17:40.439 That's it's foreign to us, right, because we're so siloed. 2:17:40.760 --> 2:17:42.480 So when we come down here and you're like, oh, 2:17:42.520 --> 2:17:43.840 I don't know how to get there from here, We're like, 2:17:43.879 --> 2:17:44.800 what the fuck are you talking about? 2:17:44.840 --> 2:17:46.959 You fucking bumpkin. You always just take the blah da 2:17:47.000 --> 2:17:48.360 da dah, the blah dah dah, and you just get 2:17:48.440 --> 2:17:48.840 that bunk. 2:17:49.959 --> 2:17:52.920 No understand now, I'm not talking about him a bumpkin, 2:17:53.920 --> 2:17:54.880 but that's how it was. 2:17:55.160 --> 2:17:55.879 But no, no, no, But. 2:18:03.680 --> 2:18:06.320 I don't need any of your people coming from right now. 2:18:06.600 --> 2:18:10.039 I don't mean people running up in no, but the point. 2:18:10.080 --> 2:18:12.040 But that was the old thing. Like I was just 2:18:12.160 --> 2:18:15.200 explaining this, I was explaining to my man from Jersey, right, 2:18:15.600 --> 2:18:16.000 My man. 2:18:16.240 --> 2:18:19.200 Jersey had the same issue with the Yes, my man 2:18:19.280 --> 2:18:24.240 from Jersey, say Brody. My man from Jersey City, which 2:18:24.320 --> 2:18:26.560 is five minutes from fucking Newark, doesn't know how to 2:18:26.600 --> 2:18:29.560 get through Newark. I'm like, Yo, you're fucking sixty seventy 2:18:29.640 --> 2:18:31.760 years old. How the fuck is that possible? You live 2:18:31.840 --> 2:18:34.280 here your whole fucking life. How do you not know 2:18:34.640 --> 2:18:37.320 how to get from this restaurant Jersey to the fucking 2:18:37.360 --> 2:18:38.960 Trip hotel in downtown Newark. 2:18:39.800 --> 2:18:41.879 It's five minutes, It's five blocks. 2:18:42.800 --> 2:18:46.080 It's crazy because when we were crumbing up in New York, 2:18:46.160 --> 2:18:48.560 whether it was rich, you knew that, you knew how 2:18:48.600 --> 2:18:50.200 to take the D train to the A to the 2:18:50.280 --> 2:18:53.000 C to the two to the sixth, you knew every block. 2:18:54.400 --> 2:18:57.440 So it it just it was just a different mindset. 2:18:59.040 --> 2:19:00.320 And I'm not calling you a no. 2:19:00.879 --> 2:19:02.480 Like I said, this is a whole other podcast we 2:19:02.520 --> 2:19:03.879 could do. We're not gonna do it that at all. 2:19:04.959 --> 2:19:07.400 Because when we work together, when we worked records together, 2:19:07.480 --> 2:19:09.879 I trusted you on everything. 2:19:10.000 --> 2:19:11.600 Of course, I would never question you. 2:19:11.640 --> 2:19:14.480 I would never come into another city and be like, oh, 2:19:14.600 --> 2:19:19.320 y'all doing it's crazy, but I. 2:19:19.400 --> 2:19:19.920 Love that ship. 2:19:20.000 --> 2:19:20.760 What about Juice? 2:19:22.000 --> 2:19:24.920 What about juice? I said both? I said both, Yeah, 2:19:24.920 --> 2:19:25.760 I said both drink. 2:19:26.040 --> 2:19:27.600 Oh no, that's what I'm sorry because he said it was. 2:19:27.640 --> 2:19:33.120 Not a New Jok City, New York City. Juice is 2:19:33.160 --> 2:19:35.360 what made me want to really New Jack City or Juice. 2:19:35.840 --> 2:19:38.640 Both are like being on set of Juice by the Yeah, 2:19:38.640 --> 2:19:41.280 I gotta hear this because that that wanted me made 2:19:41.320 --> 2:19:42.519 me buy my turntables. 2:19:42.840 --> 2:19:45.320 He yo, that's some heavyweights. Man, you're going against fucking 2:19:45.400 --> 2:19:45.959 Daddy Rich. 2:19:46.040 --> 2:19:48.280 And the funny thing is. 2:19:49.800 --> 2:19:52.520 Me and Scratch was supposed to battle that day on 2:19:52.720 --> 2:19:57.320 set on set, but he went to Buffalo, so that 2:19:57.440 --> 2:19:58.440 had been kind of crazy. 2:19:58.560 --> 2:19:58.840 But U. 2:20:00.400 --> 2:20:03.280 The records that we used in the real records, they 2:20:03.320 --> 2:20:04.320 didn't get the sample clear. 2:20:04.520 --> 2:20:08.000 So like the battles session that the whole thing was overdub. 2:20:08.160 --> 2:20:10.320 But were they were really trying to like was it real? 2:20:10.640 --> 2:20:11.720 Was audio really connected? 2:20:11.879 --> 2:20:12.039 Yeah? 2:20:12.080 --> 2:20:15.520 They were really DJing. We were really battled. Wow, Yeah, 2:20:15.879 --> 2:20:18.840 we're really battled. But Scratch had to go to Buffalo 2:20:19.000 --> 2:20:23.560 that day so he couldn't make it, and uh for 2:20:23.680 --> 2:20:26.960 Omar Epps to pump me up, part scratched it. That 2:20:27.440 --> 2:20:31.040 and I think the other practice thing, I think Classic 2:20:31.160 --> 2:20:34.160 Man did that. That's who plugged us in with them. Wow, 2:20:35.680 --> 2:20:36.360 all Superman. 2:20:37.240 --> 2:20:41.640 So we're saying juice, No, I'm saying. I'm saying both Yo. 2:20:41.760 --> 2:20:42.880 New Jack City was my fuck. 2:20:43.200 --> 2:20:44.640 Yo. New Jack City is off the chain. 2:20:44.720 --> 2:20:44.800 Yo. 2:20:44.920 --> 2:20:46.080 New Jack Cony was off the chain. 2:20:46.920 --> 2:20:49.760 And I was uptown when that shit really happened when 2:20:49.800 --> 2:20:52.160 they took over that building, that ship. 2:20:52.440 --> 2:21:00.440 Yeah, so we're drinking, Yes, I think we are as Yeah, 2:21:01.680 --> 2:21:05.120 all right, h yeah, answer this. You're gonna let me 2:21:05.160 --> 2:21:10.119 thank you very much. I appreciate you for my name 2:21:10.240 --> 2:21:14.920 is not just on the den. It's okay then n 2:21:15.120 --> 2:21:18.400 w A or Wu tang. This is a highly debated 2:21:19.000 --> 2:21:21.400 now it's not even that debated. It really isn't that 2:21:21.480 --> 2:21:25.320 highly debated. But so okay. So I think he's a 2:21:25.440 --> 2:21:28.120 terrible pair. To be honest, I don't like the pair. 2:21:29.560 --> 2:21:33.200 Who's the third base story to that, I believe, And 2:21:33.280 --> 2:21:36.520 again my perspective, only my perspective based on talking to 2:21:36.600 --> 2:21:39.760 Dre and talking to Ice Cube, m if there was 2:21:39.879 --> 2:21:43.320 no Cactus album, the production on the first n A 2:21:43.680 --> 2:21:47.160 w A album would be different really because and Q 2:21:48.160 --> 2:21:53.040 they were so impressed with the production on the Cactus 2:21:53.360 --> 2:21:55.920 one second, it came to our album party to show 2:21:56.000 --> 2:21:56.480 us love. 2:21:56.840 --> 2:22:01.360 The first album was Bump Squad involved, Right, this one 2:22:03.840 --> 2:22:07.120 is the majority of Chris Paul. Yeah, okay, but he 2:22:07.320 --> 2:22:07.560 loved it. 2:22:07.680 --> 2:22:12.760 But but Dre and Cube loved Sam's production like that 2:22:13.320 --> 2:22:17.800 particular like they loved if you listen to that first. 2:22:17.720 --> 2:22:21.400 N w A album, them snares, them drums, they sound. 2:22:21.200 --> 2:22:22.920 A lot like which is the ice Cube story that 2:22:22.959 --> 2:22:25.279 he was looking for, right, Okay, okay. 2:22:25.240 --> 2:22:28.440 But but that's the four Sam denies that story, that 2:22:28.560 --> 2:22:30.160 no one ever contacted him. 2:22:30.440 --> 2:22:36.560 That might have been leor didn't make the call, right, 2:22:36.680 --> 2:22:38.600 but l Cohen against the gas. 2:22:40.560 --> 2:22:43.800 But the point is that's why Cube came to New York. Right, 2:22:44.400 --> 2:22:48.920 Whether whether I think it's there's Yeah, whether le or 2:22:49.040 --> 2:22:52.960 call Sam or not, it's on that right. But obviously 2:22:53.000 --> 2:22:56.480 that's what Yeah came. He came to meet with Sam. 2:22:56.640 --> 2:23:01.199 Sever But they sonically, they made a lot of innovations 2:23:01.240 --> 2:23:03.920 and followed more of the East Coast lead on production, 2:23:04.120 --> 2:23:06.640 like when when Africa Islam went out to the West Coast, 2:23:07.120 --> 2:23:10.080 but I see he brought that whole, you know, kicks 2:23:10.120 --> 2:23:12.680 in the Aunt medic you know, like the beats. You 2:23:12.760 --> 2:23:15.680 can hear the influence these coast. You could see the 2:23:15.800 --> 2:23:18.360 L A Posse coming back from New York and bringing 2:23:18.360 --> 2:23:21.520 the West Coast to New York. So people sleep on 2:23:21.879 --> 2:23:25.000 L A Posse and Islam like laying the foundation which 2:23:25.040 --> 2:23:27.200 is zoom like and yeah for n w A. And 2:23:27.440 --> 2:23:30.120 when you look at what was the searchers saying, you know, 2:23:30.160 --> 2:23:33.160 you see in the East coast influence which you know, 2:23:33.320 --> 2:23:37.439 like Dante Ross would tell us, wah is incredible. 2:23:36.959 --> 2:23:39.400 Which is this whole in their movie And in the 2:23:39.720 --> 2:23:42.600 remember the going to the World and hearing Dope Man 2:23:42.680 --> 2:23:44.879 for the first time and thinking like what the fuck 2:23:45.000 --> 2:23:48.280 is this? This is crazy? Sounded so big in the world, 2:23:49.000 --> 2:23:54.360 Dope Man, Dope Man, Yo, that ship sounded crazy. It 2:23:54.440 --> 2:24:00.480 was incredible, man, mhm wu tang or n w A. 2:24:00.640 --> 2:24:01.360 It's a bad pairing. 2:24:01.760 --> 2:24:04.080 It's a very bad. I don't like the parent. Yeah, 2:24:04.080 --> 2:24:04.840 I got whatch on. 2:24:04.879 --> 2:24:07.800 It because I think generationally it's not. 2:24:08.240 --> 2:24:08.880 The right parent. 2:24:08.959 --> 2:24:11.200 Yeah, I mean I'm both so important in both. Yeah, 2:24:11.560 --> 2:24:14.200 I'm gonna I'm gonna puge. I'm also gonna pass. I'm 2:24:14.240 --> 2:24:22.640 gonna pay a past. Okay, Dan. 2:24:24.680 --> 2:24:32.480 Knew he was gonna. I knew it. I actually am 2:24:32.520 --> 2:24:36.480 not mad at that. And there it is. Okay, all right, 2:24:39.320 --> 2:24:48.959 you already, Prince Paul large pro Oh, oh, I'm ninety 2:24:49.040 --> 2:24:51.039 nine percent sure. I know what Rich and Peter are 2:24:51.080 --> 2:24:58.160 gonna say. All right, Nussell Dommas, I'm ninety nine percent sure. 2:25:00.200 --> 2:25:01.320 But what are you gonna say? 2:25:08.200 --> 2:25:10.440 I mean, I'm gonna I'm waiting for y'all like i'm 2:25:10.640 --> 2:25:14.280 I'm I'm we can't do that, you can't. 2:25:15.640 --> 2:25:20.160 This is okay, so large Professor, Okay, I got I 2:25:20.240 --> 2:25:21.240 gotta pass on that one. 2:25:21.280 --> 2:25:25.920 I can't you and your passes both both both both, 2:25:28.160 --> 2:25:28.920 my professor. 2:25:30.120 --> 2:25:33.760 I'm surprised. I'm surprised. I'm surprised. You know, I'm surprised. 2:25:33.800 --> 2:25:34.879 I thought you would say, principal. 2:25:35.000 --> 2:25:36.680 So maybe two. I don't know. 2:25:38.160 --> 2:25:39.879 Okay, no drinking, no drinking. 2:25:41.400 --> 2:25:43.880 That's fair enough. I'll do it. Oh, d b or 2:25:43.879 --> 2:25:45.400 Bis Wait wait, wait you gotta drink? 2:25:45.480 --> 2:25:45.520 No? 2:25:46.840 --> 2:25:48.480 Oh, I say, we just changed the rules in the 2:25:48.520 --> 2:25:50.720 middu We just do that. It's your show. 2:25:50.760 --> 2:25:51.120 You can do it. 2:25:52.920 --> 2:25:58.200 Oh d b Or Bismarck, Bismark, bis Mark Mark okay, 2:25:58.680 --> 2:25:59.960 rest in peace, resting peace? 2:26:00.000 --> 2:26:02.920 Would you fuck you? 2:26:03.400 --> 2:26:03.560 Wrap? 2:26:04.280 --> 2:26:07.120 Mm hmm yeah, I gotta go ge Queen Wrap queens 2:26:07.120 --> 2:26:07.600 get the money. 2:26:08.760 --> 2:26:11.240 But schoolids an original this one yay? 2:26:11.520 --> 2:26:13.360 Or forall for real? 2:26:14.959 --> 2:26:15.160 Yeah? 2:26:16.240 --> 2:26:21.000 For Rell right? Who said yeah? Oh two? The one 2:26:21.040 --> 2:26:22.720 wins right new Roules. Oh yeah, I was about the 2:26:22.800 --> 2:26:30.360 radio drink Queen Latifa might not passed. They both. If 2:26:30.400 --> 2:26:33.879 you're going to pass, say pass. If you're gonna say both. 2:26:34.000 --> 2:26:35.600 Have you ever seen the papers in the video? 2:26:35.840 --> 2:26:41.720 Of course? What you get paper? Who's doing this? You 2:26:41.840 --> 2:26:45.160 look closely? Get the funk out of here? 2:26:45.640 --> 2:26:49.240 Me and searches show ball where the top villain video? 2:26:49.800 --> 2:26:52.280 His his father in the top I'm in the top 2:26:52.360 --> 2:26:56.240 building video. So his father is chilling. Yeah, the uh 2:26:57.000 --> 2:27:00.320 pool his father worked. You know, he was a bishop 2:27:00.360 --> 2:27:01.160 Ford High school. 2:27:01.280 --> 2:27:04.720 They have the jopist letthermon jackets black red and white 2:27:05.000 --> 2:27:08.800 letther sleeve. His dad for my birthday had been in 2:27:08.959 --> 2:27:11.400 EMCE search bishop Ford that said, g w. 2:27:12.000 --> 2:27:18.600 For go white boy and I wore that ship in 2:27:18.760 --> 2:27:22.320 the milk and the audio two videos kind of yo, 2:27:22.520 --> 2:27:23.240 that's iconic. 2:27:23.320 --> 2:27:25.520 But you gotta check out the light video because I 2:27:25.640 --> 2:27:28.240 played a fucking Italian muscle boy. 2:27:28.360 --> 2:27:31.560 That's what fucking with soul. 2:27:32.120 --> 2:27:35.080 I need you to be an Italian like the description 2:27:35.240 --> 2:27:36.959 is wild Italian muscle boy. 2:27:36.920 --> 2:27:39.280 With Yeah, that's what Lionel Martin told me to do. 2:27:39.680 --> 2:27:41.800 That's in the video as a wild describon. That's what 2:27:41.959 --> 2:27:47.840 she said, kind of fire. So we all said both. 2:27:48.520 --> 2:27:48.680 Yeah. 2:27:48.680 --> 2:27:51.480 I used to DJs like really like we're in the 2:27:51.520 --> 2:27:56.160 group together as kids, so like all right, drink all. 2:27:56.160 --> 2:28:01.800 Right, yo, she's to you for that. That's legendary. Ship 2:28:05.760 --> 2:28:08.119 Rich's neighborhood got crazy history. 2:28:11.680 --> 2:28:24.440 Podcasts of radio podcast or radio podcast podcasts means like 2:28:24.560 --> 2:28:26.480 the same thing kind of that. You could curse it, 2:28:26.600 --> 2:28:29.039 I say, podcast, right, Yeah, there you go. Damn we're 2:28:29.120 --> 2:28:30.000 on the same page. 2:28:30.080 --> 2:28:34.839 Ships, Public Enemy or Gangstar. 2:28:39.680 --> 2:28:46.680 Recipes. Public so important? Yeah, yeah, I think I think 2:28:48.440 --> 2:28:52.320 Public Enemy, we definitely say. That's my default on these 2:28:52.320 --> 2:28:54.600 type of questions. I think that the person would say this, 2:28:55.080 --> 2:28:56.359 the people the predecessors. 2:28:56.440 --> 2:28:57.600 Yeah, I mean we. 2:28:57.760 --> 2:29:01.000 Basically saw them from the beginning, and then we saw 2:29:01.040 --> 2:29:01.920 the world because of them. 2:29:02.520 --> 2:29:04.920 I mean literally in the world because of Public Enemy. 2:29:05.160 --> 2:29:07.040 We opened for them for damn near two years. 2:29:07.360 --> 2:29:09.840 I mean Clark Can he got the test press that 2:29:09.920 --> 2:29:12.560 rubber without a pause to play on our show from 2:29:12.640 --> 2:29:16.120 Red and you know you just saw like that record, yo, 2:29:16.280 --> 2:29:18.320 that right alone. If they just put out that record 2:29:18.400 --> 2:29:19.200 at the Latin Quarter and. 2:29:19.200 --> 2:29:22.200 It was crazy the year before because you know, Yo, 2:29:22.240 --> 2:29:25.000 bum Rush Show. People tend to forget that young bum 2:29:25.160 --> 2:29:28.320 Rush Show is the first album. It did not have that, 2:29:28.480 --> 2:29:32.120 it had my ninety eight no right. I remember them 2:29:32.160 --> 2:29:34.039 getting booed off stage at the Latin Quarter. 2:29:33.879 --> 2:29:35.440 Because it was it was new. 2:29:36.320 --> 2:29:38.600 You knew it, but it was different, Yeah, and nobody 2:29:38.720 --> 2:29:41.440 was checking for it. And then a year later they 2:29:41.520 --> 2:29:43.840 came with that and it was a rap like that 2:29:43.959 --> 2:29:47.240 record literally became the stick up record in the Lane Quarter. 2:29:47.440 --> 2:29:50.400 Like when that record yeah, like when that record came up, 2:29:51.040 --> 2:29:52.840 you took off your because. 2:29:52.640 --> 2:29:56.640 They sucked on the text. Which record you're talking about? 2:29:56.720 --> 2:29:57.879 Nobod out a pole. 2:29:59.120 --> 2:30:03.840 Enemy inside of people, datting people that's wid yes, no, no, 2:30:04.160 --> 2:30:08.039 I could dudes were getting you know that's wild yo. 2:30:08.360 --> 2:30:13.039 Yes, yo, Yo, nother funk all. 2:30:13.000 --> 2:30:17.199 That the original, the original fifty cent, his brother a Rock, 2:30:17.360 --> 2:30:20.760 all the Decepticons. When that record will go Vic and 2:30:20.879 --> 2:30:24.240 I was dancing with like ic Us the siren. Yeah, yo, 2:30:25.040 --> 2:30:28.000 call that sounds chaotic. They call that to kill the 2:30:28.040 --> 2:30:32.200 white man noise. Fifty don't you called it? Fifty cent? 2:30:32.440 --> 2:30:34.720 Would tap me the original fifty cent with me. Go 2:30:34.840 --> 2:30:36.920 get off the floor, search, get off the floor, go 2:30:36.959 --> 2:30:42.039 to the ball. Yes, yo, it was rap. 2:30:43.720 --> 2:30:49.360 That and ghosts probablys and and ultra magnetic Wow, antip villain, 2:30:49.520 --> 2:30:51.880 top billing, top billion would do it. 2:30:52.400 --> 2:30:58.160 It's a terrible era. It will great. I mean it 2:30:58.280 --> 2:31:00.920 was the greatest error ever. I would go back to 2:31:01.040 --> 2:31:04.119 that story light video. Look they pulled you up immediately. 2:31:05.720 --> 2:31:10.720 Yeah, right then, oh ship that is you look at 2:31:10.800 --> 2:31:14.840 you when you yeah, and the funny thing is on 2:31:14.959 --> 2:31:17.600 the same way there than I am now. 2:31:18.320 --> 2:31:20.000 Like literally, I'm in the best shape of my life. 2:31:20.360 --> 2:31:25.320 Shout out the shout out to my man. 2:31:26.000 --> 2:31:27.600 And the cold Crush is the most healthy man in 2:31:27.680 --> 2:31:28.640 hip hop, like. 2:31:29.320 --> 2:31:35.520 The health and hip hop. Oh yeah, we see ham 2:31:35.680 --> 2:31:47.160 over in the ice. M uh. You know, honestly, I'm 2:31:47.200 --> 2:31:50.080 gonna go with MC Hammer. I guy to pick Tom hamml. 2:31:50.200 --> 2:31:53.280 I gotta go Hammer because you know, because you can 2:31:53.320 --> 2:31:53.680 say what you. 2:31:53.680 --> 2:31:57.320 Want about Hammer, but Hamma legitimately like cared about the culture. 2:31:59.640 --> 2:32:01.280 Like one of the things that I love that Chuck 2:32:01.320 --> 2:32:03.840 Dy's wife used to say all the time, which Chucky's 2:32:04.040 --> 2:32:06.760 would always say that Hammer is the only rap artist 2:32:06.800 --> 2:32:07.680 that plays in my house. 2:32:09.080 --> 2:32:11.360 I respect Hammer like a motherfucker bro to be honest 2:32:11.360 --> 2:32:16.320 with you, I think because he didn't play hip hop 2:32:16.360 --> 2:32:16.720 in the house. 2:32:16.720 --> 2:32:19.160 She wouldn't even play public Enemy, but she played see Hammer, 2:32:21.360 --> 2:32:26.320 meaning meaning that for her Hammer's music and how he's 2:32:26.360 --> 2:32:28.879 safe for the kids, and just it felt like. 2:32:29.400 --> 2:32:31.080 Music that the whole family could enjoy. 2:32:31.840 --> 2:32:34.960 I remember Hammer said some ship like Yo hotown three 2:32:35.000 --> 2:32:37.040 five seven so more on third base, third base went 2:32:37.080 --> 2:32:37.920 double wood. 2:32:37.840 --> 2:32:40.160 Yeah, double wood, we went double yeah. Let's not forget 2:32:40.240 --> 2:32:45.040 Hammer was a real last dude too. His brother brother, 2:32:45.160 --> 2:32:48.760 his brother Louis Barrell. Yeah, Louis Barrell Hammon said with 2:32:48.920 --> 2:32:49.680 double wood. 2:32:49.600 --> 2:32:55.320 Double wood. Yeah, he said, we went doublet three five 2:32:55.400 --> 2:32:57.200 seven soul More Records at the third base of it, 2:32:57.280 --> 2:32:58.240 did we went double wood? 2:33:00.040 --> 2:33:02.800 Shout out to him, yeah, man, shout out to still 2:33:03.080 --> 2:33:05.520 the Holy Ghost Boys who got boot off the stage 2:33:05.520 --> 2:33:06.240 of the lack of Quarter. 2:33:06.600 --> 2:33:08.560 Who's that that was? That was his his group. 2:33:08.760 --> 2:33:11.240 His new music seminar I think was eighty seven eighty seven, 2:33:11.320 --> 2:33:13.320 he performed at the Line Quarter Paradise will tell you. 2:33:15.120 --> 2:33:25.000 Wow, but no remorse for vential lies that on the 2:33:25.320 --> 2:33:30.840 fuck it Yeah, pick drink, go ahead. 2:33:31.120 --> 2:33:34.920 Yeah, I actually think the lies actually cares about hip 2:33:34.959 --> 2:33:35.480 hop as well? 2:33:36.240 --> 2:33:42.320 Is his name Pappy Robert van Winkle? Oh, I know 2:33:42.440 --> 2:33:44.560 as I heard. You don't think you know I used 2:33:44.560 --> 2:33:47.200 to love you, n like I love you. You don't 2:33:47.200 --> 2:33:48.920 think he cares how long we go back? 2:33:49.040 --> 2:33:52.480 You know, I don't think I heard that Vanellas has 2:33:52.560 --> 2:33:56.080 a house that's an entrance to another house, so that 2:33:56.440 --> 2:33:57.160 you know whoa. 2:33:57.280 --> 2:33:59.000 I don't know what that means. 2:33:59.040 --> 2:34:00.920 You got a lot of big house, you know, a 2:34:00.959 --> 2:34:02.400 lot of so he doesn't care about. 2:34:04.200 --> 2:34:06.320 Okay, we made friends with hand and let's make friends 2:34:06.360 --> 2:34:07.240 with No. 2:34:07.400 --> 2:34:11.400 That's fine, you want to to I'm just saying no, no, no, 2:34:13.120 --> 2:34:18.879 if I'm toasting, no, no, no, it's not a problem. 2:34:18.959 --> 2:34:21.160 I don't have a problem with any human being anymore. 2:34:21.240 --> 2:34:23.520 Like literally, I have no problems with anyone. It's not 2:34:23.959 --> 2:34:25.800 a problem. But you don't you really don't think that 2:34:25.879 --> 2:34:29.080 he ever cared about hip hop? Absolutely? No, really absolutely 2:34:29.160 --> 2:34:31.360 you think that was all a gimmick. I believe that 2:34:31.680 --> 2:34:34.640 he saw an opportunity and he took it. Really, you 2:34:34.640 --> 2:34:37.400 don't think he ever cared as a human being about 2:34:37.400 --> 2:34:40.040 I don't think he understood what the culture was that 2:34:41.600 --> 2:34:48.400 you still he wants to drink. He's feeling, he's with 2:34:48.560 --> 2:34:51.200 his man. The legendary d m X is d J 2:34:51.320 --> 2:34:58.200 d j LS one is here. He's having. We got 2:34:58.200 --> 2:35:05.760 another legendary DJ cups in. You know, a lot of 2:35:06.160 --> 2:35:07.840 legends in him. Man we behold. 2:35:08.320 --> 2:35:10.080 So we say that he doesn't give him you know, 2:35:10.440 --> 2:35:13.959 let me ask you though in fitness, because I really 2:35:14.040 --> 2:35:17.400 did like that starts words just be you don't think 2:35:17.680 --> 2:35:20.600 but not an ice kid about hip hop at one point. 2:35:20.520 --> 2:35:22.080 Not even a little bit, a little bit, a little 2:35:22.080 --> 2:35:23.880 bit a bit. 2:35:24.600 --> 2:35:26.240 I mean when that when that record came out, I 2:35:26.320 --> 2:35:29.160 think the first time we heard Ice Ice Baby, we 2:35:29.280 --> 2:35:30.400 went that Detroit. 2:35:30.160 --> 2:35:33.320 Station dancing a little bit to it. He was like 2:35:34.080 --> 2:35:36.160 the Detroit station where you have to go all the 2:35:36.160 --> 2:35:38.879 way up on the building, like the sixtieth floor that station, 2:35:40.600 --> 2:35:42.400 And oh you did you did? 2:35:42.680 --> 2:35:45.520 One thing about that record is the sample is dope. 2:35:45.600 --> 2:35:49.360 That's something that we would have flipped David Bowie super away. 2:35:49.360 --> 2:35:51.520 You're kind of mad, like ah, he grabbed that ship. 2:35:51.760 --> 2:35:54.000 But the thing was he didn't take credit for it, 2:35:54.040 --> 2:35:58.080 which makes him super wacky. He didn't take an interview samples. 2:35:58.280 --> 2:36:01.879 He said, oh the David Bowie s call clean doom doom, 2:36:02.600 --> 2:36:04.640 my ship goes doom, doom doom. 2:36:05.879 --> 2:36:06.959 Yeah, no, that was why. 2:36:09.520 --> 2:36:12.480 Yeah, but again that's if we're talking about the same 2:36:12.520 --> 2:36:14.960 we were talking about poking Big as a young man. 2:36:15.080 --> 2:36:17.240 Maybe he was just ignorant that went. 2:36:17.400 --> 2:36:23.120 But again, again my perspective, when you show growth, right, 2:36:23.160 --> 2:36:27.800 I was like, I have to quote chub Rock, because 2:36:27.959 --> 2:36:30.760 chub Rock, the great prophet, the best vogue, first ever 2:36:31.520 --> 2:36:32.360 creaking on the grill. 2:36:33.600 --> 2:36:34.959 You know what he said in the grill? 2:36:35.320 --> 2:36:38.680 Yeah, he said he could wrap his lips around something. 2:36:39.040 --> 2:36:41.800 Right, I'll leave it at that, and we'll leave I mean, 2:36:41.840 --> 2:36:45.320 don't leave it at that. No, no, no, no, weird 2:36:45.400 --> 2:36:48.800 no no no. But the point is he got weird. Again. 2:36:49.040 --> 2:36:50.800 Listen, Treuve Rock's verse on that record is one of 2:36:50.800 --> 2:36:53.840 the most underrated verses all time, without questions, but but 2:36:53.920 --> 2:36:56.039 shout out to Trevor Rock, one of the most underrated 2:36:56.240 --> 2:36:57.000 seas of all time. 2:37:00.560 --> 2:37:06.600 So I just think that, like when you look at. 2:37:08.920 --> 2:37:15.360 Again my perspective, I owe this culture everything like not 2:37:16.080 --> 2:37:19.960 just like I would be selling shoes at Nordstrom, Like 2:37:20.320 --> 2:37:23.240 I would not have a life, right, I would not 2:37:23.400 --> 2:37:27.560 have Echo. I wouldn't have had new Vaute, nothing, nothing. 2:37:28.120 --> 2:37:31.000 I would have been a shoe salesman period in a conversation, 2:37:31.160 --> 2:37:33.320 or a chicken delivery or a chicken delivery gun. I 2:37:33.360 --> 2:37:36.720 would have been delivering pizza. I delivered chicken. I had 2:37:36.840 --> 2:37:41.680 no skills. Hip hop gave me my life. Pop Goesluisa 2:37:41.800 --> 2:37:44.240 was such an important record for us, not because we 2:37:44.400 --> 2:37:48.000 wanted a pop record, there was an intent to that record. 2:37:48.640 --> 2:37:51.280 Hip Hop got turned into hip hop. The second record 2:37:51.360 --> 2:37:53.360 was number one on the Pop Tart. But don't skid 2:37:53.440 --> 2:37:55.080 on the heart that got it started in the ghetto. 2:37:55.160 --> 2:37:57.440 Let no one forget about the hard part. Now, when 2:37:57.520 --> 2:37:59.320 ninety one we got a new band, a new brand 2:37:59.360 --> 2:38:02.560 looking like the aim Old Clan Samuel Thieves to Steve, 2:38:02.800 --> 2:38:04.640 we got to make sure the real rappers got to 2:38:04.800 --> 2:38:07.920 endure Watco on points in one period, appear in a 2:38:08.000 --> 2:38:09.600 complex structure like a pyramid. 2:38:10.000 --> 2:38:10.120 Bro. 2:38:10.720 --> 2:38:13.440 We cared that much that we were like, oh, let's 2:38:13.480 --> 2:38:14.160 take the most. 2:38:14.120 --> 2:38:18.360 Obvious record, go to pop stations and tell them about 2:38:18.480 --> 2:38:20.160 thirty fucking recosition. 2:38:21.280 --> 2:38:22.879 Fuck us, forget about us. 2:38:23.040 --> 2:38:25.560 We would come with Daylight, we would come with Naughty, 2:38:25.600 --> 2:38:27.200 we would come with Black Sheep, we would come with 2:38:27.280 --> 2:38:29.600 Queen Latifa. We'd come with Money, Money in the Middle. 2:38:29.800 --> 2:38:32.160 We'd come with Chubb Rock Special Led. We go to 2:38:32.240 --> 2:38:34.600 the Z one hundreds, we go to the Bezzs in 2:38:34.720 --> 2:38:37.879 fucking Pittsburgh. We go to Kiss FM in La biggest 2:38:37.879 --> 2:38:40.400 pop stations in the world. We're number two, number one 2:38:40.800 --> 2:38:43.680 most requests, and be like, here's about thirty fucking records 2:38:43.720 --> 2:38:47.160 you should be playing. Don't play Mocky Mark, and I mean, 2:38:47.240 --> 2:38:51.879 I love Mark Wolberg, don't Here's one hundred other records, right, And. 2:38:51.920 --> 2:38:53.920 They're like, haha, here's been the lies. 2:38:54.959 --> 2:38:57.560 But also we respect all the people came before us 2:38:57.640 --> 2:39:00.640 who late n foundation. I mean when we did Rapmania 2:39:01.200 --> 2:39:05.800 in nineteen ninety where with her Lovebug Stars right and 2:39:06.040 --> 2:39:10.520 all the cubs. Boy, that was And they considered that 2:39:10.680 --> 2:39:14.080 the fifteenth anniversary hip hop in nineteen ninety, saying that 2:39:14.160 --> 2:39:17.240 it started in seventy five, like Ban Bada heard Van 2:39:17.320 --> 2:39:18.240 Silk and then got together. 2:39:18.240 --> 2:39:20.320 They said, seventy five is the starting day in the 2:39:20.360 --> 2:39:23.480 street and break you know, yeah, yo, And so so 2:39:23.600 --> 2:39:25.560 it's like, Yo, so, how you're gonna have a dude 2:39:26.440 --> 2:39:28.440 who's like and then he. 2:39:28.440 --> 2:39:30.640 Says he's from one place, but he's from another, Like 2:39:31.200 --> 2:39:33.080 you know, you talked about it like a little while ago, 2:39:33.080 --> 2:39:35.760 we were talking about like, you know, really repping where 2:39:35.800 --> 2:39:36.200 you're from. 2:39:37.920 --> 2:39:39.360 There was no authenticity there. 2:39:39.800 --> 2:39:42.640 And then like four years later he's got dreads and 2:39:42.720 --> 2:39:44.480 he's trying to make a record about Colts. 2:39:44.600 --> 2:39:46.320 Come on, man, stop that bullshit. 2:39:46.480 --> 2:39:48.920 Man, Like just it's because and at that point there 2:39:48.959 --> 2:39:52.000 was so much great hip hop out Redman, Method Man, 2:39:52.120 --> 2:39:55.400 Wu Tang Nah's Biggie most just came out. 2:39:56.959 --> 2:39:57.359 Anyway. 2:39:57.480 --> 2:40:00.920 I just think that like there was a level of 2:40:01.040 --> 2:40:05.360 credibility that just never he never ascended to. And great 2:40:05.440 --> 2:40:08.320 he hit a lick, but good for him. It's kind 2:40:08.320 --> 2:40:12.080 of all worth it. With the Shug Night story, yeah, I. 2:40:12.120 --> 2:40:20.600 Forgot and he is worth it. Just it keeps changing 2:40:20.720 --> 2:40:21.800 even to Yeah. 2:40:21.920 --> 2:40:24.119 So I'm just saying, like, for me, when you look 2:40:24.160 --> 2:40:27.120 at like artists, right, and you look at artists overall, 2:40:28.640 --> 2:40:31.280 you want them to have some credibility, right, some integrity 2:40:31.360 --> 2:40:33.080 when they do what they do. 2:40:33.920 --> 2:40:38.000 M hmm, I don't leave it at dead. So you 2:40:38.520 --> 2:40:41.920 now that you're leave it at debt m J m 2:40:42.520 --> 2:40:44.920 g K or insane cloud box. 2:40:45.400 --> 2:40:49.320 Oh m g k K m g K m g K. 2:40:50.640 --> 2:40:51.920 I wasn't none of that ship. 2:40:56.800 --> 2:40:57.000 Yet. 2:40:57.240 --> 2:41:00.240 And there it is best answer. Take a shot, just 2:41:00.280 --> 2:41:05.440 goes down with yeah, that was just Yeah. You might 2:41:05.520 --> 2:41:11.000 have to add drinking. Actually, I think that should be official, 2:41:11.040 --> 2:41:12.880 like a rough of the whistle moving forward. I don't. 2:41:14.680 --> 2:41:17.959 It's a part of the show. Now all right, that's 2:41:17.959 --> 2:41:22.280 straight from Beverly Road. Um, hey man, you took my 2:41:22.320 --> 2:41:24.520 words out of them up, that's what she said. You 2:41:25.200 --> 2:41:26.480 took my man? 2:41:26.520 --> 2:41:37.000 You or Buster Rungs? Yeah, jesus, yeah, I'm both. Oh 2:41:37.320 --> 2:41:42.320 we figured that. Wow, let's ask you for It's tough. 2:41:42.200 --> 2:41:44.480 For me because Rosenberg and Eminem were donating one of 2:41:44.520 --> 2:41:46.800 the rat boy costumes to the hip hop you got. 2:41:47.879 --> 2:41:51.680 I have a little like conflicted right there. 2:41:51.840 --> 2:41:56.880 You know, well, I think your boy Jonathan Manion has 2:41:56.959 --> 2:41:59.039 some of Buster's dreads. 2:41:58.920 --> 2:42:01.840 That we do in the music him. He does got 2:42:01.959 --> 2:42:04.879 dreads from Jonathan Manyon from Buster. Yeah, so you got 2:42:05.800 --> 2:42:08.160 bird tie. I'm to say a tie there. Okay, now 2:42:08.280 --> 2:42:11.879 now tie no ties in runs. 2:42:14.760 --> 2:42:14.960 Drink? 2:42:15.920 --> 2:42:19.360 What do you mean we're not drinking versus because you 2:42:19.440 --> 2:42:25.600 cannot say anything. You're the summer guy. That's exactly right. 2:42:25.640 --> 2:42:29.960 I want to I want to watch drunk a try 2:42:30.120 --> 2:42:34.720 called quest or brand newbie. Fuck you whoa get the word? 2:42:35.360 --> 2:42:36.960 I love this guy. You know what I'm saying. I 2:42:37.280 --> 2:42:37.760 love this guy. 2:42:38.000 --> 2:42:48.200 That's okay, Jesus, I mean try Trump Queens got said 2:42:48.280 --> 2:42:51.600 drive okay, okay, and. 2:42:51.640 --> 2:42:58.400 It's really hard to because that's what she said. Let's 2:42:58.440 --> 2:43:18.560 be almost Yeah, bro, well deserved, well done. I got 2:43:18.640 --> 2:43:23.320 this one. No, of course you do, doctor Dre, or. 2:43:26.760 --> 2:43:30.879 Any criteria and if you got us wow, any criteria 2:43:32.080 --> 2:43:33.600 and you can't answer first. 2:43:34.200 --> 2:43:38.120 They go to you, God, bless you, God bless you. 2:43:38.480 --> 2:43:42.440 Do you love me time? 2:43:43.280 --> 2:43:50.880 Okay, Jesus, Christy answer first? Okay, So now I'm the tiebreaker, right, 2:43:53.000 --> 2:43:58.000 so be it, doctor Dred, Doctor Dre. I don't think 2:43:58.040 --> 2:43:58.480 we don't. 2:44:00.040 --> 2:44:03.520 All right. Last one, you got it, buddy, loyalty or respect. 2:44:10.200 --> 2:44:17.080 My perspective, oh father, the way my father raised me 2:44:17.160 --> 2:44:23.480 may rest in peace is you cannot have loyalty without respect. 2:44:25.520 --> 2:44:28.040 You can have respect without loyalty, but you can't have 2:44:28.200 --> 2:44:29.200 loyalty without respect. 2:44:30.200 --> 2:44:34.160 So I'm gonna say loyal I would say recipe. I'll 2:44:34.200 --> 2:44:37.400 go along with search on that one. I'll go along 2:44:37.480 --> 2:44:40.720 with it me. If we're going to take a shot. 2:44:41.440 --> 2:44:48.120 We believe that it's both. You always believe respect for 2:44:48.160 --> 2:44:48.520 your pots. 2:44:48.560 --> 2:44:48.680 Man. 2:44:48.720 --> 2:44:52.199 I love your pots, bro, because you can respect somebody 2:44:52.280 --> 2:44:55.280 but not be loyal to absolutely. But you can't have 2:44:55.400 --> 2:44:56.400 loyalty without respect. 2:44:56.520 --> 2:44:58.400 The one thing all of you guys have, all of 2:44:58.480 --> 2:45:01.720 y'all all ye, because I've been around all of y'all, 2:45:02.600 --> 2:45:06.080 is you have loyalty and the respect is built in. 2:45:10.720 --> 2:45:12.640 And that's why we came here first. So let me 2:45:12.680 --> 2:45:13.160 ask you, thank you. 2:45:14.040 --> 2:45:16.280 Hold hold up, thank you guys for coming here first. 2:45:16.400 --> 2:45:23.440 Goddamn, let me go quick use search. Let me ask 2:45:23.480 --> 2:45:27.240 you about rape. Whoa, whoa. I know what he's talking about. 2:45:31.440 --> 2:45:33.960 What I want to talk about rappers against phony entertainers. 2:45:34.840 --> 2:45:42.400 That's what she says, no outside, So so there's two stories. 2:45:42.600 --> 2:45:45.240 There's two great stories about that, right, So what he's 2:45:45.280 --> 2:45:48.680 talking about for those who don't know, on my my record, pod, 2:45:49.959 --> 2:45:53.560 I said I got a squad, right, A bunch of 2:45:53.640 --> 2:46:00.920 entertainers started rape rappers against phony entertainers. The label call 2:46:01.040 --> 2:46:04.240 me especially a couple of female executives, and said you 2:46:04.360 --> 2:46:07.199 cannot say rape on the record. I said, I didn't 2:46:07.200 --> 2:46:10.240 say rape on the record. I said rappers against Phony Entertainers. 2:46:10.280 --> 2:46:15.360 On the record, I used an acronym or ape. They're like, yeah, 2:46:15.400 --> 2:46:17.480 but you don't spell it out. Pardon but you don't 2:46:17.520 --> 2:46:19.520 spell it out. I said, I don't have to spell 2:46:19.560 --> 2:46:23.080 it out. I explained it on the next line. So 2:46:24.320 --> 2:46:29.200 fast forward a thousand years. I'm the first MC ever 2:46:29.280 --> 2:46:34.400 to perform at EPCOTCOT in Orlando. In Orlando, doing the 2:46:34.400 --> 2:46:39.560 Food and Wine Festival. It's a nice bag and they're like, 2:46:40.040 --> 2:46:43.320 we need you do one thing. You can't say rape. 2:46:44.959 --> 2:46:47.560 I said, no problem, I said, I started a group 2:46:48.080 --> 2:46:49.600 called Rappers Against Phony Entertainments. 2:46:49.680 --> 2:46:54.160 Right, So that's a so that so that that's what And. 2:46:54.240 --> 2:46:58.280 That's always been one of those things that when people 2:46:58.480 --> 2:47:03.600 hear it, they feel some type of way until I 2:47:03.920 --> 2:47:06.800 explain it, right. That's exactly why I asked the question 2:47:06.879 --> 2:47:09.200 that way, right, No, so people feel some type of way. 2:47:09.879 --> 2:47:12.080 But the second thing was the second thing though, that 2:47:12.240 --> 2:47:18.080 was really critical on this right derelicts a dialect speak 2:47:18.080 --> 2:47:21.320 came up with this idea of us being disheveled, right, 2:47:21.440 --> 2:47:25.520 looking like we fucking derelicts. The label said, no, that 2:47:25.600 --> 2:47:28.000 can't be the album covered. This could be a promo cover. 2:47:28.080 --> 2:47:28.920 Can't be the album cover. 2:47:29.440 --> 2:47:32.600 They're talking about this specific cover. He said, why, he said, 2:47:32.879 --> 2:47:40.040 it'll turn away your I'll get you, I promise. 2:47:40.959 --> 2:47:42.840 He just so on. 2:47:46.520 --> 2:47:47.000 My stuff. 2:47:49.560 --> 2:47:52.039 But the lab so, the label said it'll scare away. 2:47:52.120 --> 2:47:56.160 The Impulse Buyers album went golden thirty days. 2:47:56.640 --> 2:47:56.879 Wow. 2:47:58.360 --> 2:48:00.280 So there was two things like and and you know, 2:48:00.360 --> 2:48:03.040 when I hear like the Kanyes of the world, or 2:48:03.080 --> 2:48:04.959 I hear the you know, the Drakes of the world, 2:48:05.080 --> 2:48:07.000 or I hear the kid Cuddings of the world. And 2:48:07.120 --> 2:48:10.680 when they say the label told me and I did blank, 2:48:10.760 --> 2:48:15.440 I'm like, good for you. Because labels don't know. They'd 2:48:15.600 --> 2:48:17.560 like to believe to play it safe like they know, 2:48:17.720 --> 2:48:20.440 but they don't know. The artist has to have the intuition. 2:48:21.080 --> 2:48:24.080 He had this intuition and was great that we should 2:48:24.080 --> 2:48:25.840 be there looks a dialogue, we should be homeless. We 2:48:25.879 --> 2:48:28.520 were in make up for how long. 2:48:28.480 --> 2:48:31.240 Was five or six for Saturday and live Yeah did 2:48:31.280 --> 2:48:32.960 the makeup for us and it was great. 2:48:33.040 --> 2:48:35.320 And we're playing in the cold and like having a 2:48:35.360 --> 2:48:40.320 good time and enjoying like the moment of like that, right, 2:48:41.320 --> 2:48:44.320 But to know that this dude who is the senior 2:48:44.440 --> 2:48:47.080 VP of marketing, and oh, I'm the big guy getting this, 2:48:47.480 --> 2:48:50.000 you know whatever, And we can't put this record out 2:48:51.280 --> 2:48:52.120 golden thirty days. 2:48:52.200 --> 2:48:55.040 Now what you gotta say? How about you go do 2:48:55.120 --> 2:48:59.160 your job? Wow? And we had a number one and 2:48:59.240 --> 2:49:01.520 we almost had a more one pop record with a 2:49:01.600 --> 2:49:04.400 record that said like we started rape Roberts against fortieth 2:49:04.400 --> 2:49:08.680 to say Jesus Christmas, and it played on fucking pop 2:49:08.760 --> 2:49:09.400 stations all. 2:49:09.320 --> 2:49:11.920 Over the country and we pretty much broke up in 2:49:11.959 --> 2:49:14.600 the middle of it right at the people because they 2:49:14.640 --> 2:49:16.400 were trying to push us just had rape. 2:49:16.440 --> 2:49:18.000 They were trying to push they were trying to push 2:49:18.160 --> 2:49:20.320 us more pop. They were trying to put us on 2:49:20.360 --> 2:49:20.760 all rape. 2:49:21.480 --> 2:49:23.480 You know, we would show up on the pop station 2:49:23.800 --> 2:49:27.720 and kind of flip on the host or whatever. 2:49:27.920 --> 2:49:31.360 Yeah, we just slip on the home like here's an 2:49:31.400 --> 2:49:33.840 all format. Yeah, we're like, yo play this. 2:49:34.680 --> 2:49:36.840 Like when we were out ninety one kind of kick 2:49:36.879 --> 2:49:39.520 it was huge, your fucking black sheet choices yours and 2:49:39.600 --> 2:49:40.199 they weren't. 2:49:39.959 --> 2:49:40.560 Playing that shot. 2:49:40.600 --> 2:49:42.560 So we were like and even like we were gold, 2:49:42.600 --> 2:49:44.200 they were so hard to go gold back then. Like 2:49:44.240 --> 2:49:47.840 people don't even realize tribe used to. 2:49:47.879 --> 2:49:52.480 Open for us, like it's ridiculous, and now it's like, yo, 2:49:52.600 --> 2:49:56.920 why these are hit records and they're like, haha, we're 2:49:56.959 --> 2:49:57.640 gonna play. 2:49:59.320 --> 2:50:03.240 Some bullshit. But now how ninety seven is now I 2:50:03.280 --> 2:50:04.640 think technically a pop station. 2:50:06.040 --> 2:50:09.119 Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like we've we've grown 2:50:09.520 --> 2:50:11.400 in such a way and the culture has grown in 2:50:11.480 --> 2:50:14.960 such a way where the things that we had to 2:50:15.000 --> 2:50:18.879 worry about no longer are worries, right, the challenges that. 2:50:18.920 --> 2:50:21.040 We had to have are no longer challenges. 2:50:21.840 --> 2:50:23.879 And the thing is so funny is thirty five years later, 2:50:23.920 --> 2:50:25.879 when I talked to like, you know, Big Daddy Kane 2:50:25.920 --> 2:50:28.720 and EPMD and Public Enemy and all the groups that 2:50:28.760 --> 2:50:32.000 are out and there touring, they talk about how much 2:50:32.000 --> 2:50:33.000 fun they're having on the road. 2:50:33.080 --> 2:50:34.720 Now they're talking about like. 2:50:34.840 --> 2:50:37.800 Being this age and like enjoying being on the road 2:50:37.840 --> 2:50:40.640 and having fans that at this age who come out 2:50:40.800 --> 2:50:41.720 and they are. 2:50:41.720 --> 2:50:44.760 It's like freedom thing though as well, Bro, it's being 2:50:44.920 --> 2:50:46.760 free before now. 2:50:47.520 --> 2:50:52.000 And your home my lovell right, yeah, your home my love. Yeah. Yeah, 2:50:52.560 --> 2:50:53.960 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I like it, you 2:50:54.040 --> 2:50:54.560 know what I'm saying. 2:50:55.040 --> 2:51:01.360 Let me ask you guys, KMD. You recently seeing Tyler 2:51:01.440 --> 2:51:02.200 pay homage. 2:51:03.320 --> 2:51:08.400 I'm gonna take a peep beach MF Doom? What is 2:51:08.480 --> 2:51:13.840 that lineage to KMD? And then you have MF. Doom 2:51:13.959 --> 2:51:18.800 and then he passes and then he's this phenomenon. Now, well, 2:51:19.000 --> 2:51:21.440 I mean for me, I met Doom when he was 2:51:21.480 --> 2:51:24.760 fourteen years old, you know, I mean for people who 2:51:24.800 --> 2:51:25.120 don't know. 2:51:25.600 --> 2:51:27.320 Remember you're talking to us, No, no, no, all right, 2:51:27.360 --> 2:51:29.960 so you don't know what KMD is, right, So what 2:51:30.120 --> 2:51:31.879 that whole thing is with third base? 2:51:32.040 --> 2:51:33.880 Right? So even before third base? 2:51:34.000 --> 2:51:36.400 So when I had my solo record out Indie Records, 2:51:36.480 --> 2:51:38.800 I used to hang out Long Beach, Long Island, and 2:51:38.879 --> 2:51:40.360 I used to hang out with this kid I met. 2:51:40.720 --> 2:51:44.320 I met Brandon what Up and his man Otis and 2:51:44.440 --> 2:51:48.280 they had a whole crew called GYP, which became my crew, 2:51:48.800 --> 2:51:52.480 and it was mister hoodhim Diego, and then we would 2:51:52.560 --> 2:51:55.920 all go a haircut from this kid named sub Rock, right, 2:51:56.360 --> 2:51:59.560 and it was sub Rock and Daniel Dumalay aka Art 2:52:00.000 --> 2:52:03.800 and they were brothers, right, And Doom's name at the 2:52:03.840 --> 2:52:06.560 time was zeb Love X. So it's him it with 2:52:06.600 --> 2:52:10.279 sub Rock and the boy on ITX. And I always 2:52:10.320 --> 2:52:12.960 told them. When I get on, you get on. Like 2:52:13.040 --> 2:52:15.760 when I make it, you make it. So we had 2:52:15.800 --> 2:52:19.440 a term around our like little crew called a gas face, 2:52:19.680 --> 2:52:22.200 which was the face that girls made when we go 2:52:22.320 --> 2:52:24.560 to mall and try to get a number, and they 2:52:24.600 --> 2:52:27.280 would look at us like and we're like, damn, we 2:52:27.320 --> 2:52:29.760 spend all that gas money and get that face, right, 2:52:29.760 --> 2:52:30.959 And that's how we got That's how. 2:52:30.920 --> 2:52:34.240 It works that it's not they gave you the gas face. 2:52:34.320 --> 2:52:37.120 Is you spent the money on gas to get that face. 2:52:37.240 --> 2:52:39.440 Okay, that's how the and then we just kind of 2:52:39.480 --> 2:52:41.760 condensed it to gas I think admitted that it was 2:52:41.760 --> 2:52:44.120 another kid who first started using it. 2:52:44.320 --> 2:52:46.320 And then but that's not using it. 2:52:46.920 --> 2:52:49.440 But that's how that's where it came from. Started taking 2:52:49.480 --> 2:52:51.560 me out to Long Beach. But he he was going 2:52:51.600 --> 2:52:54.879 after Long Beach with doing with the MLK Center. That's 2:52:54.920 --> 2:52:56.480 where didn't you first meet with them? 2:52:56.480 --> 2:52:57.840 Ok? Center? Yeah, we all met it. 2:52:58.320 --> 2:53:00.880 And that ties into public enemy because Ray and Spectrum 2:53:00.920 --> 2:53:02.880 City were putting together those shows and T Money and 2:53:02.920 --> 2:53:04.519 all them MLK. 2:53:04.440 --> 2:53:08.000 Center, so Graham Master, Reggie REJ and the Playboy Club 2:53:08.080 --> 2:53:09.720 and like all these local like DJs. 2:53:09.920 --> 2:53:12.480 But you understand, these kids were mad young, So I 2:53:12.520 --> 2:53:14.600 don't think like search was hanging out with like twelve 2:53:14.680 --> 2:53:18.080 year old no, right. 2:53:18.200 --> 2:53:19.800 But I met a notice from my age, like I 2:53:19.879 --> 2:53:22.680 Med was like I was like the oldest one. Right, 2:53:23.560 --> 2:53:29.240 So we get on albums ninety nine percent done. First 2:53:29.280 --> 2:53:31.800 you put on we had a contract with a med notice. 2:53:32.600 --> 2:53:35.480 Remember that they had to finish school, right, and they 2:53:35.520 --> 2:53:35.879 were going. 2:53:35.800 --> 2:53:37.560 To be a dancer. You had a contract with cam 2:53:37.680 --> 2:53:40.560 Dy with a med notice from GYP. 2:53:41.080 --> 2:53:43.280 So it was a whole crew of them called GYP, 2:53:43.720 --> 2:53:45.320 and we were dancers like the back of this. 2:53:45.760 --> 2:53:48.959 So just understand the whole crew and involved. Cad Or came. 2:53:49.080 --> 2:53:50.640 Let me show you they were all together. See this. 2:53:50.840 --> 2:53:53.680 You see this cover right, this was on Med's basements. 2:53:53.879 --> 2:53:57.200 This is GYP. That's GYP. This is old GYP. The 2:53:57.240 --> 2:53:58.800 people behind you old GYP. 2:53:59.160 --> 2:54:08.720 Right and right here is Onyx and there's Doom and Faith. 2:54:10.080 --> 2:54:12.640 This is a whole crew that's g y P. 2:54:13.360 --> 2:54:13.480 Right. 2:54:14.200 --> 2:54:17.520 We ran all over New York, right. 2:54:18.560 --> 2:54:26.119 I used to go out there with you. So we're 2:54:26.200 --> 2:54:31.200 finishing the album. We just did Brooklyn Queens. We they 2:54:31.240 --> 2:54:33.400 got this other beat. I was like, yo, we should 2:54:33.440 --> 2:54:34.560 do gas fas No. 2:54:34.760 --> 2:54:37.800 But but even before that, We took Doom and Subrock 2:54:37.920 --> 2:54:40.480 into the studio with the Bomb Squad when we were 2:54:40.520 --> 2:54:43.760 doing Step into the A. M. An Oval Office, which 2:54:43.879 --> 2:54:44.840 is before the album. 2:54:44.640 --> 2:54:46.080 Either came out. Everything. 2:54:46.640 --> 2:54:49.640 Remember saying Doom because Doom was not a well he 2:54:49.720 --> 2:54:52.760 was That wasn't a no, no, it was a thing. 2:54:52.879 --> 2:54:56.600 Because his name is Daniel dum He was already we 2:54:56.680 --> 2:55:02.200 always called we did not always called him, always called 2:55:02.400 --> 2:55:05.120 was always called, always called him Doom. Okay, yeah, because 2:55:05.120 --> 2:55:07.960 that was his last name, Daniel Dumala, So he was 2:55:08.000 --> 2:55:08.600 always doomed. 2:55:08.640 --> 2:55:10.640 We always called him Doom. You're Doom and they had 2:55:10.680 --> 2:55:13.400 so that's where he evolves into this no well. He 2:55:13.480 --> 2:55:16.480 involved this other kid, Jade one down with them and 2:55:16.520 --> 2:55:17.160 they had a demo. 2:55:17.720 --> 2:55:20.040 That's the first time we heard the actual death because 2:55:20.080 --> 2:55:23.920 Doom would always right rhymes. He wouldn't spit them. We 2:55:23.959 --> 2:55:26.039 wouldn't hear a tape, but we would hear him. 2:55:26.600 --> 2:55:31.880 So he made before the mask made for They were 2:55:31.920 --> 2:55:34.560 both obsessed with production, so we we had them in 2:55:34.640 --> 2:55:37.080 with Shockley Vietnam in the studio. 2:55:37.280 --> 2:55:41.880 They're watching, they're learning things and they're taking that ship 2:55:41.959 --> 2:55:42.760 back to Long Beach. 2:55:43.160 --> 2:55:46.560 Done got some equipment, uh I forget what he had 2:55:46.600 --> 2:55:49.119 A nakais something like nine. 2:55:49.400 --> 2:55:51.960 I think he had s B twelve point twelve. And 2:55:52.520 --> 2:55:54.840 that's when he started making the first demos. 2:55:54.520 --> 2:55:55.480 And Jade One was in it. 2:55:55.560 --> 2:55:57.680 Then Jade one went out and then Onyx came in, 2:55:58.600 --> 2:56:03.200 and that's at the point where Prince Paul sent me 2:56:04.520 --> 2:56:07.760 just a cassette with some beats and that's where the 2:56:07.879 --> 2:56:11.000 gas face beat was on. So I gave it to Searge, 2:56:11.160 --> 2:56:14.520 gave it to Doom, and we had this idea, Yo, 2:56:15.000 --> 2:56:17.200 this could be the gas face. So we were on 2:56:17.320 --> 2:56:19.880 the Long Island Railroad going out to the Island media students. 2:56:19.920 --> 2:56:20.160 First. 2:56:20.280 --> 2:56:22.160 Yeah, but first we asked Doom. We were like, Doom, 2:56:22.240 --> 2:56:24.160 can we do the gas face? Because it was like 2:56:24.240 --> 2:56:25.800 a gyp thing, so we wanted. 2:56:25.720 --> 2:56:27.400 It wasn't even like it was like, Yo, we wanted 2:56:27.480 --> 2:56:28.400 let's do the gas phase. 2:56:28.480 --> 2:56:30.760 He's like, yeah, let me do it because that term 2:56:31.080 --> 2:56:33.360 was the cruise term, right, that's what you're saying. 2:56:33.640 --> 2:56:35.120 I wanted to make sure everybody was cool with it, 2:56:35.160 --> 2:56:36.720 but I was like, yo, if we do it, you 2:56:36.800 --> 2:56:38.600 got to jump on the record, right, And. 2:56:38.640 --> 2:56:41.680 We wrote the lyrics on the Jaloyle Railroad going on 2:56:41.720 --> 2:56:43.039 on the way to the Island Media. 2:56:43.120 --> 2:56:45.640 On which was Paul's studio where he was working. 2:56:46.080 --> 2:56:48.360 And rest of his Don Newkirk was in the studio 2:56:48.440 --> 2:56:52.080 with Paul, just hanging out and it was all spontaneous. 2:56:52.120 --> 2:56:54.560 The hold that when you hear the outtakes with Hammer 2:56:54.600 --> 2:56:57.720 and all that shit, all improvised, like off the top 2:56:57.720 --> 2:56:59.800 of the head, not even playing like Doohm had. 2:57:00.160 --> 2:57:00.280 Now. 2:57:00.640 --> 2:57:04.320 The only thing that we planned was that Doom wanted 2:57:04.400 --> 2:57:06.880 us introduced a certain way, like the Prime Minister. 2:57:07.280 --> 2:57:10.160 Now everybody mc search. So he dictated that he actually 2:57:10.200 --> 2:57:13.480 wrote it out. I have Search. We all dropped the 2:57:13.560 --> 2:57:15.000 lyrics on the floor. I picked him. 2:57:15.000 --> 2:57:16.920 I still have the lyrics to this day, and I 2:57:17.000 --> 2:57:19.800 have Dooms handwritten handwritten instructure. 2:57:21.640 --> 2:57:24.360 Okay, you have the actual the actual search is lyrics 2:57:24.400 --> 2:57:25.599 where he crushed. 2:57:25.280 --> 2:57:28.080 It out my lyrics and we don't have Dooms because 2:57:28.160 --> 2:57:31.920 Dunes was in his one of his like Marvel rhyme books. 2:57:32.600 --> 2:57:33.720 And that's how it happened. 2:57:33.760 --> 2:57:37.480 And Don Nukirk kicked the intros and then we just 2:57:37.560 --> 2:57:39.560 went nuts and the whole Hammer thing came in there 2:57:39.640 --> 2:57:41.520 and the rest is history. 2:57:41.720 --> 2:57:45.840 I know it's not I mean, so so basically, you 2:57:45.879 --> 2:57:51.320 ain't gonna you gotta take a shot for that. It's 2:57:51.360 --> 2:57:53.560 get it. Hold on, let's wait, let's. 2:57:53.440 --> 2:57:58.160 Goin anyway, So after the record comes out, Dante, who 2:57:58.240 --> 2:58:01.920 is working with us, tss sorry Dante Ross. 2:58:01.800 --> 2:58:03.920 He got the gas base did you give him the gas? No, 2:58:04.080 --> 2:58:04.840 he didn't get the gas. 2:58:05.280 --> 2:58:08.400 So Dante went to Electro and we were like yo, 2:58:09.680 --> 2:58:11.959 we started a production company called Ramen. 2:58:12.000 --> 2:58:16.320 It's fundamental Riff. But before that we had leor. 2:58:17.480 --> 2:58:20.800 De signed to manage KMD with us with riff really, 2:58:23.160 --> 2:58:27.880 so we already had doing them right now solo solo, 2:58:28.360 --> 2:58:30.680 So we the first part was to try to get 2:58:30.720 --> 2:58:35.480 him on deaf Jam and Russell wasn't feeling. 2:58:37.000 --> 2:58:39.080 But cam D was considered like Edgy at that time, 2:58:39.200 --> 2:58:39.959 right well, they weren't. 2:58:41.000 --> 2:58:44.000 They were just unknown because it was just Zebelo Vex's 2:58:44.080 --> 2:58:45.039 verse on gas face. 2:58:45.480 --> 2:58:48.840 So everybody was like, you can't understate that because we're 2:58:48.879 --> 2:58:50.960 taking them on our senio, we're taking them on the 2:58:51.040 --> 2:58:53.280 road with cane Like Doom is out there, you know, 2:58:53.440 --> 2:58:55.520 like as a young kid like sub Rock would come 2:58:55.560 --> 2:58:58.119 out sometimes because he was still they were both still 2:58:58.160 --> 2:59:00.920 in school, but someone was like about two years younger 2:59:01.120 --> 2:59:04.040 and he was yeah, so Doom, Doom was out there 2:59:04.120 --> 2:59:06.800 more with us, and he experienced things that a kid 2:59:06.920 --> 2:59:08.680 his age would never experience. 2:59:10.200 --> 2:59:12.480 He was with Tupac on the tour. On the tour, 2:59:12.720 --> 2:59:17.200 he was with Tupac Yeah, yeah, Doom, Yeah, because we 2:59:17.280 --> 2:59:19.760 had zebel x on so with third Base. So when 2:59:19.760 --> 2:59:22.600 every time he did gas face, he came out. 2:59:24.080 --> 2:59:26.640 So how does that feel to see the way that 2:59:26.800 --> 2:59:28.960 Tyler revered him in this? 2:59:29.200 --> 2:59:31.280 And I mean it's incredible. I mean, you know, but 2:59:32.560 --> 2:59:37.840 the thing that no, it's not even weird. But here's 2:59:37.920 --> 2:59:38.200 the thing. 2:59:39.320 --> 2:59:41.840 If his brother, sub Rock didn't die, there is no Doom. 2:59:42.920 --> 2:59:44.520 That's terrible. 2:59:44.760 --> 2:59:48.760 Yeah, I mean the point that Subrock passed, Like you say, 2:59:48.840 --> 2:59:53.040 that's why he donned the duom. Doom was depressed. I 2:59:53.080 --> 2:59:54.320 mean his he lost his brother. 2:59:54.520 --> 2:59:57.920 And the album Black Bass. 2:59:57.600 --> 2:59:59.840 Black Basterds, which you know, we we kind of split 2:59:59.920 --> 3:00:00.800 up up at that time. 3:00:01.320 --> 3:00:04.920 I was managing KMD with Yeah and. 3:00:07.600 --> 3:00:10.879 Created the cover and it was they had the iconic 3:00:11.000 --> 3:00:15.720 like Sambo character which was a whole message, which was 3:00:15.760 --> 3:00:18.760 anti Sambo. That was the whole message. So he did 3:00:18.840 --> 3:00:21.800 this artwork where he had a hangman game. 3:00:21.879 --> 3:00:22.320 I remember that. 3:00:23.120 --> 3:00:24.320 Let me tell you, let me tell you a great 3:00:24.320 --> 3:00:26.880 story I'm sorry, Please hold your spot because I love 3:00:26.959 --> 3:00:31.160 this story. When we were doing the video for gas Face, 3:00:32.040 --> 3:00:37.560 Doom and and sub Rock made k MD shirts. 3:00:37.440 --> 3:00:40.600 A handmaid like with a marker with the sambo. 3:00:41.560 --> 3:00:44.800 Lionel Martin from Classic Concepts was the video director, and 3:00:44.879 --> 3:00:49.400 Ralph McDaniels from Video Music Box. When they see it, 3:00:50.400 --> 3:00:54.200 they cut lights up and they're like, get the fuck 3:00:54.280 --> 3:00:54.840 out of here with that. 3:00:54.840 --> 3:00:57.600 Bullshit on your fucking face. Fucking samble, get that ship 3:00:57.680 --> 3:00:58.080 out of here. 3:00:59.480 --> 3:01:03.680 This young man is talking to a grown man, educating 3:01:03.760 --> 3:01:06.720 him on what this face is, and within five minutes 3:01:06.760 --> 3:01:10.200 he was like, yay, you casta. But that was like 3:01:10.320 --> 3:01:13.960 the level that they both were on in terms of 3:01:14.040 --> 3:01:17.080 their frequency, like how they would put positive ions in 3:01:17.160 --> 3:01:20.199 the world, like how they would understand how to break 3:01:20.240 --> 3:01:23.760 down answer a lass stuff where you wouldn't feel like. 3:01:23.920 --> 3:01:27.720 A villain, right yeah, I mean like the way the villain. 3:01:28.040 --> 3:01:28.680 Yeah right. 3:01:28.720 --> 3:01:31.400 And at the time they're they're selling oils on the 3:01:32.080 --> 3:01:35.720 on the street with Doctor York and uh, you know, 3:01:35.840 --> 3:01:39.720 they're they're on that whole mindset, and you know, Doom 3:01:39.920 --> 3:01:45.680 coming up in that environment, you know, he just he 3:01:46.040 --> 3:01:49.480 was a deep thinker and when he made that album cover. 3:01:49.560 --> 3:01:52.640 There was so much thought behind it. So Havoc Nelson 3:01:52.720 --> 3:01:56.120 a Billboard looked at it and he didn't get it, 3:01:56.800 --> 3:02:00.240 and he wrote an article scathing, scathing, saying that this 3:02:00.440 --> 3:02:05.480 was disrespectful to black people and ice teas cop killer 3:02:05.640 --> 3:02:08.960 controversy had just happened with Warner and elections under Warner. 3:02:09.360 --> 3:02:11.040 The next thing, you know, it's like an avalanche with 3:02:11.120 --> 3:02:14.000 Sylvia Ron and all these people are against it. Next thing, 3:02:14.000 --> 3:02:18.680 you know, Bob kras was telling Dante the album, we 3:02:18.920 --> 3:02:23.000 just mastered the album. They already paid all the money 3:02:23.840 --> 3:02:25.960 and it's ready to go. The single is already out. 3:02:26.200 --> 3:02:29.480 What a niggy know, it's already been released promo and 3:02:29.520 --> 3:02:30.320 it's already. 3:02:30.040 --> 3:02:32.560 Out on the radio. And they dropped the whole shit, 3:02:33.400 --> 3:02:34.240 so dropped them. 3:02:35.080 --> 3:02:37.360 Sub Rock had already passed away, So this was almost 3:02:37.440 --> 3:02:39.000 like a tribute to sub Rock because he had done 3:02:39.040 --> 3:02:42.039 so much of the production. He came into his own 3:02:42.040 --> 3:02:44.640 as an MC on the album. And I remember just 3:02:44.720 --> 3:02:49.560 being at uh the memorial service, you know, where Doom 3:02:49.720 --> 3:02:53.640 was playing the album like next to Subrock's casket. Wow, 3:02:54.080 --> 3:02:58.080 and it was it was deep and the fact that 3:02:58.240 --> 3:03:02.400 Doom lost his brother, lost his career. Like I tried 3:03:02.440 --> 3:03:05.200 to get that album signed to Death Jam Tommy Boy, 3:03:05.760 --> 3:03:06.360 no one would touch. 3:03:06.440 --> 3:03:09.119 He wasn't wearing the mask yet, no no mask whatsoever. 3:03:09.280 --> 3:03:12.520 And you know, Doom went to d C, he went 3:03:12.600 --> 3:03:15.080 down South, he went, he was all over the place 3:03:15.120 --> 3:03:17.120 and he disappeared for a while. Like there were a 3:03:17.240 --> 3:03:19.360 number of different He was hanging out a lot with 3:03:19.520 --> 3:03:24.560 cm CM Curious, Georgie and all them, and at some point, 3:03:25.320 --> 3:03:27.400 you know, he re emerged back at the you know, 3:03:27.840 --> 3:03:33.480 the new a Rican uh you knows cafe, and that's 3:03:33.520 --> 3:03:35.840 where he came with the sock over his head. 3:03:35.959 --> 3:03:37.960 That's that was the start of him. Remember the white 3:03:38.800 --> 3:03:41.400 to the very first white m see Vanilla b in Kio. 3:03:41.920 --> 3:03:45.360 He designed the mask really and Doom. 3:03:45.800 --> 3:03:49.040 But it's crazy, this is the whole like journey, like 3:03:50.240 --> 3:03:54.480 he met Suburck through Doom through Babito, like you know, 3:03:54.720 --> 3:03:57.640 Babito went on to Death Jam through us. It was 3:03:57.760 --> 3:04:01.360 just this whole circle. And then Blake actually designed the 3:04:01.400 --> 3:04:04.840 first mask for doing which was I think it was 3:04:04.959 --> 3:04:06.199 going to the wrestler. 3:04:07.080 --> 3:04:10.039 From the Yeah, something from the wrestler, Yeah, and then. 3:04:09.959 --> 3:04:12.920 He like customized it. That was the first mask which 3:04:12.920 --> 3:04:15.160 I think when they somebody sat on and broke it. 3:04:15.879 --> 3:04:18.960 Operation Doomsday came out, and that's that's the start of 3:04:19.160 --> 3:04:19.640 m F. Doom. 3:04:20.240 --> 3:04:24.160 So then reinvented his whole persona and just lyric lyrically, 3:04:24.800 --> 3:04:27.600 you know, he was always way above, always the grade, 3:04:27.680 --> 3:04:29.800 and then he just took it to a level. 3:04:30.160 --> 3:04:35.720 And then that was signed up. Having the mask came 3:04:35.760 --> 3:04:37.320 from him losing his brother. 3:04:38.600 --> 3:04:40.840 Part of it, I think, again my perspective, it was 3:04:40.959 --> 3:04:41.920 just my perspective, right. 3:04:42.240 --> 3:04:44.000 A lot of people, let me just ask you, a 3:04:44.040 --> 3:04:45.840 lot of people thought that when they went to an 3:04:46.480 --> 3:04:48.560 Doom concert they didn't know if. 3:04:50.040 --> 3:04:51.280 Or not if that was him or not. 3:04:51.440 --> 3:04:53.960 Well, because because it was somebody else at different times. 3:04:54.000 --> 3:04:55.680 I even had a couple of guys from Guy P 3:04:56.320 --> 3:04:59.240 I think they went to Sony, I mean that's Sony 3:04:59.320 --> 3:05:02.600 Theater and Doom walked by him with the mask and 3:05:02.680 --> 3:05:05.320 didn't even acknowledge him. And I said to him, well, 3:05:05.480 --> 3:05:07.880 that may not have been actual Doom, you know, it 3:05:07.959 --> 3:05:08.400 could have been. 3:05:08.879 --> 3:05:09.720 It could have been the cover. 3:05:09.879 --> 3:05:13.360 Now, the other full circle story is Rich called me 3:05:13.600 --> 3:05:17.480 like what two thousand and twelve or ten or eleven, 3:05:17.720 --> 3:05:18.840 with the mask. 3:05:19.680 --> 3:05:24.120 I had started battling the game under persona called Lord Raven. 3:05:24.320 --> 3:05:27.680 And I remember when I went to Atlanta and I 3:05:27.800 --> 3:05:30.480 did this party. I was with Doom and I told 3:05:30.560 --> 3:05:33.440 him about the mask and stuff, and after that he 3:05:33.520 --> 3:05:34.200 started doing it. 3:05:34.760 --> 3:05:37.120 And so he asked Rich to. 3:05:37.240 --> 3:05:39.880 DJ for him on tour on a I think a 3:05:39.920 --> 3:05:42.200 world tour, right, yeah, something like that. And then I 3:05:42.240 --> 3:05:45.360 think he had a problem with you know, passport stuff 3:05:45.400 --> 3:05:48.320 like that, because Doom even when he traveled with us. Yeah, 3:05:48.400 --> 3:05:51.160 and he was born in England, so he still had 3:05:51.200 --> 3:05:53.520 the English passport. You guys used to get detained all 3:05:53.600 --> 3:05:56.640 the time when we would go. So doing was British 3:05:57.959 --> 3:05:58.959 doing was born in Vergine. 3:05:59.000 --> 3:06:04.680 Find out bro learning some ship, learned some ship. So 3:06:04.840 --> 3:06:08.160 rest peace doing. But how dope is it to see? 3:06:08.560 --> 3:06:09.240 It's incredible? 3:06:09.320 --> 3:06:13.200 Ty, the creator pay Homage said everybody, I mean, there's 3:06:13.200 --> 3:06:14.480 so many people this. 3:06:14.640 --> 3:06:20.480 Is I mean, but like your you know ahead, no, no, no, 3:06:20.720 --> 3:06:25.160 he's revered. It's crazy. But recently, like in recent time 3:06:25.200 --> 3:06:33.720 he died. There were fifteen full train burners that when 3:06:33.840 --> 3:06:37.199 in countries that would never even allow graffiti to leave. 3:06:37.720 --> 3:06:45.840 The fucking tunnel that rocked for weeks, France, Shanghai, Tokyo, 3:06:46.640 --> 3:06:51.640 places that they buffer for the ship even leaves the tunnel. 3:06:53.200 --> 3:06:58.000 People that get caned killed put in jail them, ships 3:06:58.120 --> 3:07:04.879 rocked for weeks. That's the impact of man in Peace. 3:07:04.959 --> 3:07:13.840 Broe Peace got that with Amanda. 3:07:18.879 --> 3:07:22.760 Going through You guys disciography is a song called Brooklyn 3:07:22.879 --> 3:07:25.240 Queens Right now, I can't. 3:07:26.840 --> 3:07:32.560 Tell was that something that was dedicated to Brooklyn Queen's Day. 3:07:34.280 --> 3:07:35.120 You remember that. 3:07:37.440 --> 3:07:40.520 Fresh Meadow Park and it was called Brooklyn Queen's Day. 3:07:40.560 --> 3:07:43.160 But it was a bunch of Queens dudes. I don't 3:07:43.200 --> 3:07:46.600 think Brooklyn never came out, but it was called Brooklyn 3:07:46.680 --> 3:07:50.320 Queen's Day in Queens? Was that record a homage to that? 3:07:51.120 --> 3:07:55.000 So when me and Search first signed to Rush, Search 3:07:55.120 --> 3:07:58.600 was in the studio working with Sam Sever. I was 3:07:58.680 --> 3:08:01.480 working by myself. Rich was in farming Dale was trying 3:08:01.520 --> 3:08:05.560 to get Rich to come in. Dante called up Sam Sever. 3:08:06.240 --> 3:08:08.920 I was I wasn't a producer. I needed some help 3:08:08.959 --> 3:08:10.840 on the beat. Sam sever came in to help me. 3:08:11.840 --> 3:08:14.400 So Brooklyn Queens was one of the songs that me 3:08:14.480 --> 3:08:15.520 and Rich had done first. 3:08:15.760 --> 3:08:18.160 Okay, wow, we did the first demo with Functions Lives 3:08:18.280 --> 3:08:19.320 didn't sound anything like. 3:08:19.640 --> 3:08:23.480 Exactly so, but then as you know, Private the environment 3:08:23.600 --> 3:08:26.440 was on Search's original demo, So we kind of like 3:08:26.600 --> 3:08:30.680 brought each of our catalogs of songs together and then 3:08:30.920 --> 3:08:33.080 we flipped Brooklyn Queens as you know. 3:08:34.760 --> 3:08:37.000 Yeah, that's what it always kind of felt like it was. 3:08:37.440 --> 3:08:39.160 Remember that was one of the biggest things. 3:08:39.320 --> 3:08:39.480 You know. 3:08:40.280 --> 3:08:42.800 That was the first time I ever seen Akanelly and 3:08:43.000 --> 3:08:46.600 Nas performed together. There was a thing called Brooklyn Queen's Day, 3:08:46.920 --> 3:08:48.680 and I went and I seen them and I was 3:08:48.720 --> 3:08:50.959 like I had seen them in the neighborhood so many 3:08:51.000 --> 3:08:53.920 different times. I was like, Oh, these guys rap and 3:08:54.120 --> 3:08:57.119 I was like, oh shit, that's where the fuck these 3:08:57.160 --> 3:08:58.160 people are, right. 3:08:58.120 --> 3:09:01.240 And it was kind of more even about like LaToya 3:09:01.320 --> 3:09:04.680 by just nice, like yeah, Brooklyn Queens. 3:09:04.720 --> 3:09:04.880 It was. 3:09:05.200 --> 3:09:06.840 It was like one of those yeah, like we were 3:09:06.959 --> 3:09:09.600 kind of doing females. Yeah, that's exactly right. 3:09:09.640 --> 3:09:11.600 It was like all about like you know, meeting a 3:09:11.680 --> 3:09:14.600 girl from Brooklyn when you're from Queens, right, like especially 3:09:14.640 --> 3:09:17.760 from for Rockaway, Like that's kind of like a status symbol. 3:09:17.879 --> 3:09:20.360 Like if you if you scoop a girl from downtown Brooklyn, 3:09:20.520 --> 3:09:23.720 like you're doing something, you really doing something. Yeah, Yeah, 3:09:24.520 --> 3:09:26.080 Like we didn't really have it, like you where you 3:09:26.200 --> 3:09:28.640 had daddies in Left Frack like you know, you know, 3:09:31.400 --> 3:09:32.520 you know what I mean, like we you know, we 3:09:32.640 --> 3:09:36.120 had to really troop out and find like you know, and. 3:09:36.240 --> 3:09:37.280 Just the whole name of the song. 3:09:37.400 --> 3:09:40.160 Like I lived in Long Island, I lived in Queens, 3:09:40.360 --> 3:09:41.960 went to school in Brooklyn, So it was just that 3:09:42.080 --> 3:09:43.840 whole context of Brooklyn Queens. 3:09:43.840 --> 3:09:46.920 And I mean it could have been very easy because 3:09:47.040 --> 3:09:53.080 because because Berlin Queens were very compared to hallm and 3:09:53.200 --> 3:09:53.840 the Bronx. 3:09:55.879 --> 3:09:58.920 But at the time Brooklyn and Queens took over hip 3:09:58.920 --> 3:10:01.240 hop with Rudinia Runny mc. So like you had the 3:10:02.200 --> 3:10:04.440 I Love that, that's that that was like the biggest 3:10:04.480 --> 3:10:05.320 shift in hip hop. 3:10:05.560 --> 3:10:06.959 So there wasn't no Harlem and bros. 3:10:07.040 --> 3:10:09.920 Like that, well there was, it was that was that 3:10:10.080 --> 3:10:11.920 was a shift with them and with Rush I mean, 3:10:11.959 --> 3:10:14.920 because that's what Russell did. And Russell started in Harlem 3:10:14.959 --> 3:10:18.400 with Hollywood, like Russell started promoting Hollywood and like DJ 3:10:18.560 --> 3:10:20.800 Hollywood DJ Hollywood nineteen seventy seven. 3:10:21.320 --> 3:10:23.640 It was like the bust cross over hip hop. 3:10:23.600 --> 3:10:26.440 DJ exactly exactly. And you know a lot of people 3:10:26.520 --> 3:10:30.840 say Hollywood isn't hip hop. Hollywood was the biggest rap star. 3:10:32.320 --> 3:10:35.040 I don't want to go step ball night with my honey, 3:10:35.080 --> 3:10:37.800 bum give me some of that yum me young one 3:10:37.879 --> 3:10:39.560 them before I go to way. 3:10:44.080 --> 3:10:49.240 Yeah, tell the fun. He's looking on the Georgia. Georgianamos 3:10:49.280 --> 3:10:50.120 be smashing right now. 3:10:50.200 --> 3:10:53.119 He was getting five hundred dollars a show for maybe 3:10:53.200 --> 3:10:55.000 like a half hour at every club, doing like five 3:10:55.080 --> 3:10:57.040 clubs at night, twenty five hundred dollars a night, and 3:10:57.080 --> 3:10:58.360 we got the contracts to prove it. 3:10:58.760 --> 3:11:05.080 Yoh crazy, that's legendary. I want to take a shot 3:11:05.160 --> 3:11:06.080 just because again. 3:11:06.000 --> 3:11:09.119 Let's go and take the picture. I think. I think 3:11:09.160 --> 3:11:11.480 shots are necessary shots and pictures. 3:11:11.560 --> 3:11:11.960 I like it. 3:11:12.440 --> 3:11:17.760 Yeah, I'm being honest. Hold on, it's so great, man. 3:11:18.879 --> 3:11:22.520 I really enjoy giving you all brothers, yr Flowers. I 3:11:22.720 --> 3:11:26.080 enjoy this man, y'all continue to do this ship. 3:11:26.600 --> 3:11:27.280 And you know what. 3:11:29.400 --> 3:11:32.560 You know in sports and ship like that, you know, 3:11:33.000 --> 3:11:37.560 you blow your achilles hell, blow your fucking knee out 3:11:37.720 --> 3:11:40.439 or elbow, or get a concussion. 3:11:41.640 --> 3:11:43.160 We kind of don't get that as in hip hop. 3:11:44.200 --> 3:11:45.160 We get it mentally. 3:11:46.000 --> 3:11:47.800 If we can overgrow that and we can do this 3:11:47.879 --> 3:11:49.800 ship for the rest of our life, this the rest 3:11:49.840 --> 3:11:54.200 of them life, you know what I mean? Continue to 3:11:54.320 --> 3:11:58.280 be great because the one thing that I noticed with 3:11:58.480 --> 3:12:02.160 me being in my own ship is when I wasn't doing, 3:12:02.320 --> 3:12:05.400 you know, doing certain things, it's people that really have 3:12:05.480 --> 3:12:08.320 that responsibility to want to be a part of us. 3:12:08.959 --> 3:12:12.040 So there's a whole bunch of lost third base fans 3:12:12.080 --> 3:12:14.920 that were happy right now. It was like, oh, right 3:12:15.000 --> 3:12:17.600 back to and they got the same d J like like, 3:12:17.879 --> 3:12:21.320 I'm one of them, I'm one of them. You everybody 3:12:21.360 --> 3:12:23.840 will say, I'm wondering them after that, come on, like, 3:12:25.200 --> 3:12:25.959 are too young. 3:12:28.040 --> 3:12:32.320 In there? One of that Christmas one of them? Like 3:12:32.400 --> 3:12:37.480 all these young started again again said I'm wanted. I'm 3:12:37.520 --> 3:12:46.119 one of them. 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