1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber Protection of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Reese and I'm Mourned vogel Baum. 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: And today we have an episode for you about carrot cake. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: Yes, yep, yeah, yes we do. I was there. I'll 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: ask it even though at the answer. Was there any 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: particular reason this was on your mind? Lauren? Yeah? 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, we just had Easter weekend, and an association of 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: mine with Easter weekend is carrot cake. I think because 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: of like the Easter bunny and bunnies in cartoons liking carrots. 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: I think that that's the the extent. 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember the last time I had a 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: piece of carrot cake. It certainly wouldn't have been at 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: an Easter, not in the last like ten years, So 14 00:00:58,960 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to hear from listeners about this. 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: I find traditions fascinating around food, and Easter traditions are 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: sort of all across the map. Yeah, we were just 18 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: talking about lamb cakes, how fun they are. Yes, I 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: typically associate carrot cake with fall, I think because of 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: the spices. 21 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, that tracks nice warm fall spices in there. 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: Sure. I did find a really funny article that was 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: about how carrot cake is one of the few desserts 24 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: that they like decorate with carrots. You know it's yeah cake? 25 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, like it's sort of 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: you know, you can you can decorate a strawberry cake 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: with real strawberries, right, It's harder to decorate a carrot 28 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: cake with real carrot it is. 29 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating because I've never really ponded 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: that before. I do have. I've mentioned before I have 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: a list of desserts that I keep for friends of mine, 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: just like things they mentioned and super producer Ramsey friend 33 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: of the show favorite dessert carrot cake. 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: Really okay, Yeah, I mean I like it. I don't 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: dislike it. 36 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: I don't dislike it either, but it's pretty rare for me. 37 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: I think that's a first for someone to say that's 38 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: their favorite. But yeah, he loves it. Right. 39 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: Cool into that, Well, National Carrot Cake Day is February third, 40 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 2: meaning that we've straight missed that one. 41 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: And it's near neither of our associations No carrot cake, okay? Cool? 42 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: You can see our carrot episode, our lamb cake episode, 43 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: just because fruitcake maybe suresh ish cream cheese, pumpkin pie. 44 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it's in that space. Yeah, a vague fin diagram 45 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: of a lot of those things. 46 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe some of our spice episodes, cinnamon or cloves 47 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: or nutmeg. 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: Sure, all right, Well, I guess that brings us to 49 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: our question. I guess it does. Carrot cake, what is it? 50 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: Well, carrot cake is a type of dessert baked good 51 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: that uses grated carrots to add moisture and sweetness and 52 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: a little bit of earthiness, helping create a fluffy, delicate, 53 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: kind of weird cake. These cakes are often further flavored 54 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: with warm spices like ginger, cinnamon, and nutmeg, maybe a 55 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: touch of bright citrus and smooth vanilla. They're also studded 56 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: with mixins like raisins or currants and some kind of 57 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: chopped nuts, and then topped with a rich, creamy frosting 58 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: like a butter cream or a cream cheese frosting. They 59 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: are often decorated with a little frosting carrot, I don't know. 60 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: It's often a layer cake format, meaning that you stack 61 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: multiple individually baked cakes on top of each other, with 62 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: frosting in between the layers, and it's usually served as 63 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 2: a dessert or snack at kind of special occasions like 64 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: birthdays or holidays. It's like it's like if you've ever 65 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: roasted carrots with honey and some spices, it's like the 66 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: ultimate form of that. Yeah, it's like a really clever 67 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: way actually to get moisture and sweetness into a cake. 68 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: It's like the least healthy iteration of a salad carrot cake. 69 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: A carrot cake is like snuggling down into a little 70 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: anthropomorphic animal's burrow and then tucking up under a nice 71 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: fluffy comforter. There. 72 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 1: Oh, I can see it like the a children's book 73 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: image snuggled up caart cake. So nice. 74 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: Also, I really like cream cheese frosting. I have to 75 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: admit I'm low key in it for the frosting in 76 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: this particular cake iteration. That's usually not my case with cake, 77 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: but at any rate, okay, ah, so I would pause 78 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: it that One of the primary science problems that you 79 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: have to solve when making baked goods is that you 80 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: don't want the finished product to be dry. Usually it 81 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: tends to be gross, like there are exceptions, but you know, 82 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: you're also literally baking the good. You're subjecting the good 83 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: in question to heat. That's half again or twice the 84 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: temperature at which water boils, so you are actively removing 85 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: moisture from the good There are a number of ways 86 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: to combat this, but one of them is to use 87 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: ingredients that themselves contain water and are like decent at 88 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: holding on to it. Many fruits and vegetables do this 89 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: all on their own as part of the process of living, 90 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: because it turns out that water is like more or 91 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: less necessary to make life happen. Life as we know 92 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: it mostly anyway gosh different show. But so by adding 93 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: shredded or grated or even ground carrots to your cake batter, 94 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: you can help retain moisture in your finished cake. This 95 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 2: is also part of why we have things like apple 96 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: cake or banana bread or zucchini bread, or part of 97 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: why recipes sometimes call for substituting apple sauce in for 98 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: sugar and or eggs. All that being said, there are 99 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: a lot of preferences about what exactly goes into a 100 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: carrot cake. I know, raisins or currants and chopped nuts 101 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: are both like contentious dessert inclusions. The nuts are usually 102 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: walnuts or pecans, but there's no reason not to use 103 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: almonds or I don't know, whatever else you like. Pine 104 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: nuts maybe I don't know. Other dried fruit could be used, 105 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: like dates, or coconut or pineapple. Some people add fresh pineapple. 106 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: Americans do put vanilla in like everything, but sometimes it's 107 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: nice to let the spices or zest from lemons or 108 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: oranges shine. Those spices can be anything warm, like clothes 109 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: or allspice or black pepper. 110 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: Maybe. 111 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: Most recipes call for vegetable oil as you're fat, but 112 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: why not melt butter? Why not brown butter. People also 113 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: get passionate about the type of frosting they prefer. As aforementioned, 114 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: I love the tang of a nice cream cheese frosting, 115 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: but butter cream can be great, and you could use 116 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: a cultured butter to make it a little bit tangy. 117 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 118 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: There are also strong opinions about whether carrotcake should just 119 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: go in the trash. Strong opinions are welcome here. It 120 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: does have a reputation for being a little bit old 121 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: fashioned in the United States. I've also read that it's 122 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: very popular in England, Switzerland, and Denmark, though y'all ride 123 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: in and apparently Swiss versions use nutflour instead of wheat flour, 124 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: and the carrot decoration is going to be made of Marzapan. 125 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: This is what I've read, y'all. Let me know. H okay, wow, 126 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: what about the nutrition? 127 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: Okay, y'all, I know I always say eat a vegetable. Yes, 128 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: that is not what I This is not what I 129 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: mean by that. 130 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 131 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: Sorry, By the time you add that much butter and 132 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: frosting to anything, it's not it doesn't count anymore. But hey, 133 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: yeah it's a treats are nice. 134 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: Sorry, I feel like you find a loophole and then 135 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: and then we do have some numbers for you. Okay. 136 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: Yes, there is a Guinness record for the largest care cake. 137 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: The record went to a bakery in Canada that in 138 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen baked a cake measuring six meters square and 139 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: weighing two thousand and seventy kilos that's a little under 140 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: twenty feet square and about forty five hundred pounds. The bakery, 141 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: the Saint Germain Bakery, employed some ten bakers for about 142 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: ten days and used around five hundred kilos of carrots 143 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: that's about one thousand pounds. It was not baked in 144 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: a single piece, but rather assembled from six hundred pieces. 145 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: The bakery did it in honor of their thirtieth anniversary, 146 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: and the co owner said that carrot cake was the 147 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: first type of cake he ever baked, so it was 148 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: like personal and nostalgia to him. Yeah, then, okay, this 149 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: is a very specific one that I found. In twenty fifteen, 150 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: there was an invitation put out by the Swiss television 151 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: channel SRF one for fans to come out to the 152 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: two hundredth episode filming of matches of this card game. 153 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: Because this episode was being filmed in this one region 154 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: of Switzerland famous for carrot cake, the TV station challenged 155 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: fans to bring at least two hundred cakes for the 156 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: two hundredth episode, but they wound up with four hundred 157 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: and eighty two cakes. 158 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: You should know better. You know, you issue a challenge 159 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: like that, people are going to show up. 160 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: It sounds it sounds like a delightful surplus. 161 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: Well, indeed, there is quite a history behind carrot cakes. 162 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: Oh, this one went places. Yes, and we are going 163 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: to get into that as soon as we get back 164 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: from a quick break. For a word from our sponsors. 165 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you, and yes, 166 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: definitely see our care episode. We had a listener send 167 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: in a lot of postcards about carrots after we did 168 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: that one, and I still have them on my fridge. 169 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: But it was a pleasant reminder while I was doing 170 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: this research. But yes, carrots have a long past of 171 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: historical confusion, often mixed up with parsnips in early records, 172 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: among other things. When it comes to carrot cakes specifically, 173 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: records indicate that carrots may have been used as sweeteners 174 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: in tenth century Arabic desserts. 175 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a couple recipes from around that time 176 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: that are custard type recipes that call for carrots along 177 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 2: with spices like cloves, ginger, and nutmeg. 178 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: Some speculate that when sugar was prohibitively expensive and hard 179 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: to come by for many in Europe during the Middle Ages, 180 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: they would turn to things like carrots as a sweetener instead. 181 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: It was not uncommon at the time to use sweet 182 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: vegetables in the place of sugar. A lot of these 183 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: early care cart cakes or carrot desserts would not use 184 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: sugar at all, unlike our modern iterations. According to some sources, 185 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: the first recipe for carrot cake was featured in a 186 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: French cookbook that was published in Britain in eighteen twenty seven. However, 187 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: important caveat. A part of this confusion surrounding carrot cake 188 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: also surrounds our confusion or disagreement around the term cake. Yeah. 189 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: So, as we've talked about in our episodes on cream 190 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: of tartar and various baked goods, perhaps especially muffins. Before 191 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: chemical leveners started becoming commercially available in like the eighteen fifties, 192 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: baking a nice fluffy cake was hard. Moderaten dish ovens, 193 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: which debut around the eighteen thirties really helped too. 194 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: Before all that, if you. 195 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: Did not have the time or energy to hand whip 196 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: air into your batter in one way or another, you 197 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: were probably going for a steamed or boiled cake or 198 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: a baked custard often called an English a pudding. 199 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: Rites. So these may not fit what a lot of 200 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: us think of as carrot cake today, but they do 201 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: check a lot of those boxes. Yeah. 202 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 2: So, going back to fifteen eighty four, an English cookbook 203 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: called A Book of Cookery had this recipe for a 204 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: putting in a carrot root that was both sweet and savory, 205 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: involving fine shopped goose or pig liver, breadcrumbs, cloves, mace, dates, salt, pepper, 206 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: and sugar, all stuffed into a holid up carrot and 207 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: boiled in like a seasoned mutton broth. So early, not 208 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: quite what we're thinking about. But then there was a 209 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: recipe for a dessert putting a carrot that appeared in 210 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: sixteen ninety nine in John Evelyn's Acetaria, a Discourse in Salads, 211 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: which was published in London. 212 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: Two recipes for carrot pudding pie were published in the 213 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy in seventeen forty seven, and. 214 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: These sweet recipes involved making a mix out of bread crumbs, 215 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: carrots that you've boiled, and then grated milk or cream, eggs, sugar, 216 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: and flavorings like nutmeg and lemon peel, and then either 217 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: boiling or baking that mixture. The pie versions call for 218 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: a pastry crust on the top or bottom. Read I've 219 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: read that these things are sort of like a modern 220 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: bread pudding, except you know, with bread crumbs instead of 221 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: chunks of bread. But yeah. A similar recipe appeared in 222 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: Amelia Simmons American Cookery in seventeen ninety six, with cinnamon 223 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: instead of nutmeg, and by the eighteen forties at least 224 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: currants and raisins were also called for. 225 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: But meanwhile, George Washington, George Washington was apparently serving carrot 226 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: cakes at parties, and some sources further suggest they because 227 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: of that, they must have still been like a luxury 228 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: item or retreat. But this doesn't fit in with the 229 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: rest of the narrative that it was a cheaper alternative 230 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: to cakes made with sugar. 231 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: I guess carrot cake it can be luxurious. Sure, I 232 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: had to get to the bottom of this. So historically 233 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: it's one party and a version of carrot cake was 234 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: probably served. Like this isn't one of the recipes that 235 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: we have from Washington's estate. It's from this pub in 236 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: New York City called the Francis Tavern. So it's eighteen 237 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: seventy three. After the Revolutionary War was officially over, the 238 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: British were being evacuated from the newly minted United States, 239 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: and New York was the last official city of evacuation. 240 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: As part of the commotion and celebration, there were a 241 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: couple events at this tavern. There was a big dinner 242 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: party on the twenty fifth of November, which is the 243 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: official evacuation day, and then a farewell party for Washington 244 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: on December fourth, as. 245 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: He was on his way out of the city. 246 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: Strictly speaking, there is no evidence that carrot cake was 247 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: served at either of these parties, but it's likely that 248 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: a carrott pudding along the lines of what we just 249 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: discussed was on the menu here because it was a 250 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: common and popular dessert at the time. 251 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: Mysteries histories. 252 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, fun fact though, Washington was definitely there and 253 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: definitely wrote a testimonial for the owner of this tavern, 254 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: won Samuel Francis because he probably helped spy on British 255 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: officers who frequented his tavern. 256 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: Spy chef. Spy chef cool. 257 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: Later, when Washington was president, he employed Francis in his households. 258 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: Second fun fact. To this day, historians argue about whether 259 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: Francis was a black dude. 260 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: We're not sure. Spy Chef another great mini series. See, honestly, 261 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: you could get a lot of good gossip in a restaurant, 262 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: so oh yeah, right, come on, see I see it, 263 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: especially if the alcohol is flowing. Oh yeah, gets some gossip. Oh. 264 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: I always like, sometimes a server will walk away from 265 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: my table and I'm kind of like, oh, you're welcome, buddy, 266 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: Like that was probably some weird, juicy stuff that we 267 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: just said in front of you. 268 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: You're welcome, and we're sorry. 269 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: The confusion about this entire side note here about Washington 270 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: and whatever is because a lot of the articles on 271 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: the internet mix up the details. Because of this perfectly 272 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: lovely carrot cake recipe and the snippet of a story 273 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: in a recent cookbook and Burned American Cake, which is 274 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 2: a great cookbook, and right, it's a lovely recipe. It's 275 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: a lovely little bit of a story, but it just 276 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: doesn't give that many details. On the internet, you know, 277 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: just kind of ran with it in different incorrect ways. 278 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: Anyway, if if you want to hear more. 279 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: About the book or the author, Stuffy misted in history 280 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: class interviewed her about that book. 281 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: Yes, and cake great one. 282 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: But okay, that first actual carrot cake recipe that you 283 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 2: were talking about from eighteen twenty seven is the English 284 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: version of the recipe that early French restaurant tour oh. 285 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: In twine beolviere. What do you is that kind of 286 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: how it's said a little bit yeah, oh great, thank. 287 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: You Annie, oh thank you? 288 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 2: Okay, well cheap yeah, oh gosh. Anyway, he's the guy 289 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 2: who wrote the Art of Cuisine in eighteen fourteen two 290 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: volume books super Opus Really Really Cool and Yes, his 291 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: recipe for carrot cakes are much fancier than all of 292 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: the boiled and or steamed puddings that we've been talking about, 293 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: but still not exactly what would think of its carrot 294 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: cake today. Like this recipe involves boiling care and then 295 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 2: making a sort of thick paste from them, almost like 296 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: a petiet de fruit like kind of kind of thing. Yeah, 297 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: and then mixing that carrot paste with pastry cream, flour, sugar, eggs, 298 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: melted butter, whipped egg whites, and a sprinkle of sugared 299 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 2: orange flowers as you do, and then you bake that 300 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: like in a water bath like you might do for 301 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: a cheesecake or a souple. So very fancy, sounds delicious. 302 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: Interested in having someone else make it for me? 303 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: I think we can make it out well here in 304 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: the US. Cake recipes using vegetables like beets, potatoes, and 305 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: carrots started appearing frequently in cookbooks in the nineteen twenties, 306 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: including the nineteen twenty nine The twentieth Century Bride's Cookbook, 307 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: a recipee that was found in part when Pillsbury yes 308 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: that one see that episode was conducting a nationwide search 309 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: for the first American traditional carrot cake recipe. In nineteen 310 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: thirty nine, Prudence Pennies Cookbook out of New York published 311 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: one of the first quote modern recipes for carrot cake. However, 312 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: others think that modern carrot cake crispies stemmed from post 313 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: World War One current cake recipes that someone was read. 314 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: Whatever the case, a lot of these early recipes involved flour, eggs, spices, 315 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: and steamed or boiled carrots. Even though carrots had been 316 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: mentioned and used as a sweetener previously in the West, 317 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't until World War II rationing around things like 318 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: sugar gave rise to more widespread use of carrots as 319 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: a sweetener, at least in the popularly reported narrative. One 320 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: of the big things behind this thought is that in 321 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, the British Ministry of Foods wore cookery 322 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: Leaflit Number four included the recipe for Doctor Carrots Healthy Cake, which, 323 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: going back to that listener who sent those postcards, it 324 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff around this. 325 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Doctor Carrott is this great character who is 326 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: a carrot and a doctor, and good for. 327 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: Him, good for him, yeah. 328 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: But okay, this type of subsistence cooking probably was not 329 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: what made carrot cake like a thing we've seen in 330 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: lots of episodes. How that's not how those types of 331 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: foods usually work. Usually, like after the war is over, 332 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: people are like, oh, kale and don't want anything to 333 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 2: do with it anymore. What seems to have happened with 334 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: carrot cake is George Seapage. Okay, he's the dude who 335 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: founded the museum at the Librea tar Pits in Los Angeles. Okay, 336 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: George Seapage was a successful businessman in southern California who 337 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: made just a wild amount of money during World War 338 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: Two and immediately afterwards basically renting warehouses to the war 339 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: effort and buying beachfront property in Malibu when a bunch 340 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 2: of people bounced for fear that the Japanese were going 341 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: to try to invade there. That part isn't related to 342 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: carrot cake. I was just entertained by the detail. But 343 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: also during the war, okay, he got this government contract 344 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: selling them dehydrated carrots, I imagine, for rations. But then 345 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: the war ended and he just had this warehouse of 346 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: tins full of dehydrated carrots and apparently what happened was 347 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: he called up this restaurant that he had washed dishes 348 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: in when he was just off the bus from Nebraska, 349 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 2: and the owner there had the idea to use rehydrated 350 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: carrots in a cake. Maybe he hired the baker or 351 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: like maybe there was a team of bakers involved. He 352 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: might have also started selling the cakes through this like 353 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: gourmet mail order market that he also owned. I don't 354 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: know whether to believe this story, but I really want to. Also, 355 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: he was interviewed about it in The Good War, The 356 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 2: Oral History of World War Two, which is like Pulitzer 357 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: Prize winning, So I really want to really want. 358 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: To believe it. 359 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: But at any rate, yeah, the idea just got real popular, 360 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: and that was perhaps thanks to an element that has 361 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: thus far been missing, that cream cheese frosting. 362 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: Yes, oh yes, it wasn't until the nineteen sixties that 363 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: the pairing of cream cheese frosting and carrot cake would 364 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: come together. And that's when, yeah, cream cheese was coming 365 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: up in America, and thanks in particular to an ad 366 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: campaign from the Philadelphia Cream Cheese Company. We've talked about 367 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: this all the time. Companies come out with these pamphlets 368 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: and are like, here's how you can use this thing 369 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: we want you to sell. Make a carrot cake and 370 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: put the cream cheese on it, and for some reason 371 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: it hits big. Yeah. 372 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: The Food Network once called carrot cake one of the 373 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: top five food fads of the nineteen seventies. 374 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: Interesting, Like, going back to what you said that it 375 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: feels kind of old fashioned here in the US. Yeah, 376 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: I did read from some sources that it became associated 377 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: with spring celebrations in the US, including Easter and Mother's Day. 378 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm guessing in part because of what you said, Lauren, 379 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: of like our association with bunnies and carrots. I don't know, man, 380 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. For the Mother's Day one, I couldn't 381 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: help but thinking like maybe it's because it's viewed as 382 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: a healthier dessert, even though not necessarily true at all now, 383 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: but you know, like that idea that women of course 384 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: can't just have a dessert. It has to be likes 385 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: a vegetable in it. Yeah, it has to be a 386 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: healthier one. 387 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. 388 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't find anything behind that, but that was 389 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: just like my immediate gut instinct. 390 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: Was, yeah, if you've done enough reading around stuff, like 391 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: that for stuff. Mom never told you that. I trust 392 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: your gut instinct on that one. Yeah, your women's intuition. 393 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: Perhaps, But like I said at the top, I do 394 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: associate it more with fall or like even a Christmas 395 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: like holiday dessert. I don't really put it in a spring, 396 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: but I get why people do. It's interesting, yeah, interesting 397 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: all around. What a I was not expecting George c. 398 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: Page to pop up in this one, but here we are, 399 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: or the amount of research or the amount of reading 400 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: that I did into George Washington, I. 401 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: Was like, huh, okay, yeah, you really can never tell 402 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: you can't you cannot. 403 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: But listeners, you can tell us have any memories with 404 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: carrot cake, recipes with carrot cake. I would love to 405 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: hear about it. 406 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: We do already have some listener mill for you. But 407 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: first we have one more quick break for a word 408 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: from our sponsors. 409 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you, sponsors, Yes, thank you, And 410 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: we're back with the snoop, right bunny hopping around. That 411 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: was really hard to follow. I'm sorry, No, it's my fault. 412 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Lauren. Good times, good times. I've been up 413 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: very late. Okay, yes, fine, yeah, we're doing great. We 414 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: have two wonderful messages about our anniversary special, and I 415 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: have to say we've gotten even more asking for the 416 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: curse cut Savor so can wear Lauren's curse words or 417 00:26:50,640 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: let loose. So that's been great. Yes for now, Eric 418 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: wrote seven years already. Congrats Because I binged into the show, 419 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it. I hope the show continues 420 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: to keep on going for a long time. I enjoy 421 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: the nerdiness, the fun, the down to earth feel of everything. 422 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: The way you present things makes it enjoyable. I think 423 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: it was Dylan who said that when you talk about things, 424 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: it creates cravings to learn and try more about it. 425 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: And I definitely second that. I'll hear about something that 426 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: maybe I was not familiar with or have not had 427 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: in a long time, and I'll find a way to 428 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 1: get to it in the next week or two. Lima 429 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: beans are a perfect example. Annie. Once you started talking 430 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: about them and then provided some recommendations, I gave them 431 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: a try. They are good. Not something I make regularly, 432 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: but we'll add dishes when looking to change some things up. 433 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: I think you hit on something with poop. You have 434 00:27:53,760 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: the SPU Savor Poop universe. Don't cringe from the early episodes. Either, 435 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: I love it when a classic pops up. We need 436 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: to see Lauren and the Perogy T shirt and we 437 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: still want the live show. Cursing won't bother me, and 438 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: it would be hysterical to see. Here's to another seven 439 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: years at a minimum, hopefully. And here's two more food Yes, 440 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean the spu. 441 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yes, yeah, we're already in it. 442 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: We just haven't branded it yet. Yeah. 443 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really impressively critical part of our food show. 444 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: It is it is. I love how many people who 445 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: are fans will bring that up. 446 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: They're like, yes, that's our brand. 447 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: Cool, No, it is cool. It was cool. It's great. 448 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: Shelley wrote, I just listened to your anniversary episode, and 449 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: it was fun to hear how much delight and enjoyment 450 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: has been had on your end, because there's definitely plenty 451 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: of that created when I. 452 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: Listened to the podcast. Thank you for that. 453 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: I was also hoping to bug you to pass along 454 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: both recipes from the Orgette episode listener mails pretty please. 455 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: Yes we will, we will, and thank you because you, 456 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: Shelley have sent in coffee to us before. Oh oh 457 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: that was good coffee. Yes, yeah, oh, thank you. Yeah, 458 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: that was during my period where remember I kept running 459 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: out of coffee in a grocery store. Shelley came to 460 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: the rescue. Yeah, that really saved the day. It definitely did. 461 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: But thank you. That's very kind. Glad it's bringing you 462 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: joy and it definitely has brought our teen joy as well. 463 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it really. 464 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: It's again, it's just so awesome working with these humans 465 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: and getting to do cool stuff with them, and yeah, 466 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: eating food and then talking into a microphone about it. 467 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty nice, very nice. 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