WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - Lowry’s Win, Xander’s Driver, and What’s Ahead

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<v Speaker 1>com slash Fried Egg member SIPC. What an open at

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<v Speaker 1>royal Port Rush, great win there by Shane Lowry. Lots

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff happened from Rory miss and the cut, Tiger

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<v Speaker 1>miss and the cut to the equipment testing. Ricky with

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<v Speaker 1>another top five finish. So we had Jeff Ogilvie came

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<v Speaker 1>back on to talk a little bit about the week

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<v Speaker 1>and what's ahead on the PGA Tour calendar with the

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<v Speaker 1>WGC Memphis and as well as the FedEx Cup playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of riff into a lot of different ideas

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<v Speaker 1>about the playoffs and the schedule. So here's Jeff Ogilvie.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.

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<v Speaker 2>When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a bright egg,

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<v Speaker 2>Frida Egg, the dreaded Frida, egg Frida, egg Frid egg

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<v Speaker 2>bright egg Frid egg bright egg.

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<v Speaker 1>Lie. I'm about ready to run off the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>He was nails.

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<v Speaker 2>He was he was nails. That first hole was the

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<v Speaker 2>whole tournament on Sunday, it was. I mean, he misses

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<v Speaker 2>that parton Bleetwood makes his part. It'll be a hard

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<v Speaker 2>wind from there if you lose three on the first

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<v Speaker 2>hole in a day like that. But that part was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>he's up for this, you know, because the first time

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<v Speaker 2>was nervy, you know, nervy. He shot like nervy, good

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<v Speaker 2>bunk shot. Really it's a hard bunk shot, a great part,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like eight feet short. It's like, holy wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's gonna make double on the first. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he did well, and what pressure. Can you imagine what

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<v Speaker 2>he was feeling?

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking. I was thinking about it. It's I

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<v Speaker 1>find in my goth like when I get in situate

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<v Speaker 1>like if because of what happened at Oakmont where he

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<v Speaker 1>blew the fore shot lead uhuh, like the next time around.

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<v Speaker 1>It almost always works out when you when you have

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<v Speaker 1>something that just kills you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was. I mean, the media kept running

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<v Speaker 2>all can he get past the ghosts of the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like almost every single time someone loses one of

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<v Speaker 2>those long, those big leads in a major on a Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>they do better the next time, Like Mike Weir went

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<v Speaker 2>for eighty at Madonna, when Tiger and Sergio went for

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<v Speaker 2>the thing two years Iteries winning the Masters. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like how many stories of a god tanking on

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<v Speaker 2>a Sunday and the next time they get the chance

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<v Speaker 2>they take. It happens all the time, don't you think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I remember I. Uh, I came back in

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<v Speaker 1>a match once and I forced a playoff, like a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy comeback. And then I like, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you ever had this happen, Like you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the playoff and you almost feel like you did

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<v Speaker 1>what this giant thing, and and you lose focus. I

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<v Speaker 1>hit a bad drive on the first playoff hole lost

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<v Speaker 1>the playoff, and I was like, well that was terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and uh, and then the next time that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I was walking to the playoff tea, I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, just you got to hit a good drive,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. It was funny, like because then the next

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<v Speaker 1>time it worked out, you know, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Went I I was. I got the last grip of

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<v Speaker 2>the Victorian Open, which was a PROVN ninety. I was eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and shot seventy eight in the last round.

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<v Speaker 2>Still finished like fifth or something because it was a

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<v Speaker 2>tough day, but shot seventy eight. And then the next

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<v Speaker 2>time I was there, I shot like one under or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I was leading a year later or something in the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Open in the last group, and I shot like

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<v Speaker 2>one under in the last round, So I like got

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<v Speaker 2>way better at the first time you deal with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough, and four shots in a major, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in Oakmond, give me a break. I mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>ten shots isn't enough at Oakmond. It's it'd be the

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<v Speaker 2>hardest cause of the world to keep a lead. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Aaron Baddley the time before when Cabrera won,

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<v Speaker 2>he had a three shot leads doning Sunday and he

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<v Speaker 2>tripled the first which you can do without really doing

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot wrong in Oakmont, and all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden your lead's gone. It's tough. Those big leads are

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more over, it's almost easier to have the

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<v Speaker 2>Only time I have had a really big lead was

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<v Speaker 2>a cappellua and it was uncomfortable, and that's capilla. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a cruizy ton. After eight holes, I was only

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<v Speaker 2>one in front. It was I was freaking out. It

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<v Speaker 2>was hard. That's a weird thing. Having a big lead.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost sometimes it's almost better. I feel like to

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<v Speaker 1>be like one back than.

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<v Speaker 2>In the league, even certainly for your sleep the night

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<v Speaker 2>before and your kind of level of comfort and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you haven't won anything, you haven't achieved anything yet

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<v Speaker 2>if you're one behind, But if you're six in front

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<v Speaker 2>of four in front of something, it's like you've kind

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<v Speaker 2>of it's on you now, you know, like you actually

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<v Speaker 2>have to play.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how was it for you when you had a lead?

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<v Speaker 1>Sleeping on a lead? Like everybody talks about it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I obviously it's probably pretty personal experience for each player.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I am relatively was relatively relaxed about stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still didn't sleep properly ever, Like it's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, the Kapalou was the only big lead

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<v Speaker 2>I had. I had six. I didn't sleep properly. It

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<v Speaker 2>was it's a long morning and it's a long night,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just thinking about all this stuff. I think

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<v Speaker 2>guys are worse. I wasn't that nervous, I don't think,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously I was a little bit because I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>sleep the same. I was certainly very happy once I

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<v Speaker 2>got on the golf course, once I got that first

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<v Speaker 2>tea or played the first hole and got on the second,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it was kind of all right at

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<v Speaker 2>that time. His night must have been rough, and he's honest.

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<v Speaker 2>How nice was he? He just comes out and says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just sleep very well, and I got up early,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had to talk to my coach. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think people grab it him because of his honesty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he the way he I mean, like he was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it on Friday, He's like, yeah, I've tried

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<v Speaker 1>to win this clear drug, Like this is not easy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was so bluntly honest. It was I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the things they take away from this.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he he had some quotes last year about how

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<v Speaker 1>awful because he played so bad last year at Carnousti,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like sitting in his car, are like

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<v Speaker 1>mad about you know where he was, But he was

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<v Speaker 1>he talked to the press about how much Oakmont had

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<v Speaker 1>ruined him for like a year and a half. Did

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<v Speaker 1>he really yeah, I mean, he's the quotes I wish

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't pulled up, I hadn't pulled up the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>but they I mean, he talked about how it pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much ruined his golf game for like a year and

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<v Speaker 1>a half, losing that thing because he felt like he

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<v Speaker 1>was the number one player in the world for three days,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he started to play conservative. He talked about

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<v Speaker 1>he laid up on two when he could have driven

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<v Speaker 1>it up there, and he was playing to protect the

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<v Speaker 1>lead rather than playing to win.

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<v Speaker 2>M h.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was those quotes for a year ago, not

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<v Speaker 1>you know, before or during this championship.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the hard pot rot. I think you give yourself

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<v Speaker 2>the win before you've won, right, kind of like it's

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<v Speaker 2>yours to lose now when you're lading a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>overnight at least. I mean maybe not if you get

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<v Speaker 2>in the lead on the third hole, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the middle round, but if you go to bed

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<v Speaker 2>with a four shot lead, you've kind of like visualized

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<v Speaker 2>that trophy sitting on your counter and visualized all the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that's coming with it like you've kind of given

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<v Speaker 2>it to yourself a little bit. Now it's mine to protect.

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<v Speaker 2>You're protecting something a little bit, and golf you never

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<v Speaker 2>play well when you protect right and you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>try not to mess up. That doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why the best rounds are always when like your

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<v Speaker 1>flurry of birdies comes at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, my first great major I finished fifth at

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<v Speaker 2>s Andrews. I burtied in Oh five I finished. I

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<v Speaker 2>birdied fifteen sixteen, sorry, fifteen seventeen eighteen on Sunday. I

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<v Speaker 2>went from like fourteen to fifth something. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I had ten in a major, but it's like I

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<v Speaker 2>was never near the top ten ever until I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I probably passed ten people by birdying seventeen on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was like, it looks great, but I I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I was ten f last group was about as

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<v Speaker 2>close as I got to the last group. But that

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<v Speaker 2>and then the next major bults Roll. I finished. All

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, I thought I'm a top ten major guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I played bold stroll really well instead of sat

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<v Speaker 2>in the top ten all week and finished fifth or

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<v Speaker 2>six again, I was like, oh, well, now I've got

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<v Speaker 2>this worked out, but the first top ten was nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a top ten without any pressure at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, it was a back door back door Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you as pro as a like as a

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<v Speaker 1>pro and then also like other pros like back door

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<v Speaker 1>tap tens, like media always talks about back to Oh

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, he just king of backdoor top tens,

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<v Speaker 1>Like is it a top ten to a top ten

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<v Speaker 1>or is there you know, do you feel better about

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<v Speaker 1>the one that you're around all the time?

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<v Speaker 2>I always felt better about the back door one because

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like you got the most out of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got the most out of like an average week,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the average week, you finish in twenty fifth your Bertie,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, three of the last four and you

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<v Speaker 2>finished fifth, like I was finished in the twentieth all

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<v Speaker 2>week and I stole a few there on the last

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<v Speaker 2>few holes, right. I always liked that. Or you should

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five from middle of the field and you finished

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<v Speaker 2>eighth to something or seventh. It's like that was satisfying

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like you've got so much more out

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<v Speaker 2>of the week than you probably should have. But the

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<v Speaker 2>one where you sit top ten all week and then

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<v Speaker 2>you're double seventeen and finish eighteenth. That is the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing worse than that. Having a great week all

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<v Speaker 2>week and you had two good holes away from finishing

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<v Speaker 2>top two or three or winning or something, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have a double and you finish eighteenth or something, and

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<v Speaker 2>those really condensed ones. That's depressing. That's really frustrating because

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<v Speaker 2>you put so much work into the tournaments. It all

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<v Speaker 2>comes unraveled on one bad swing or three part or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty frustrating. So it works both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>So with the tournament you alluded to a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, Lowry kind of put it away pretty early.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, I mean, we've talked about this a lot

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<v Speaker 1>with Augussa and how how good championship courses separate the field, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel like a great championship course can sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>lead to less drama than a mediocre one that keeps

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<v Speaker 1>everybody around us?

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly, I mean, somehow Augusta manages to create the drama, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think great courses like scenandra Is quite often

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<v Speaker 2>there's no drama in the last five or six holes

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<v Speaker 2>at the Open at Sandra's because the guy who's winning

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<v Speaker 2>is like separating so much, you know, Tiger's come up

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<v Speaker 2>the last eight or nine shots in front a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times. I don't know, it's a bit of both.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's both. I just think that's the randomness

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<v Speaker 2>of golf and who plays well that week. And I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly think weather like Sunday at the Open stops the

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<v Speaker 2>drama a little bit, you know, because it spreads to

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<v Speaker 2>so many guys have a bad day. Right on a

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<v Speaker 2>day like that, there's just gonna be less people up there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's well, I'm up me wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seemed like there was no faking it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And some bare I mean we've all been out there

0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.360
<v Speaker 2>on days like that, those seaside courses, I mean a

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<v Speaker 2>five mile an hour windows, like a ten mile an

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<v Speaker 2>hour window on to the seaside, right, because it's so heavy,

0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.679
<v Speaker 2>because it's off the ocean, and then the rain and

0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.320
<v Speaker 2>you're and you're wearing so many clothes and the grass

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<v Speaker 2>gets so dense in the rough and the ball goes short.

0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.760
<v Speaker 2>It's tough, and you're so exposed. There's no trees. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't go hide under a tree, right, You're just you're

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<v Speaker 2>just getting hit. You end up lying up against sand

0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:42.600
<v Speaker 2>dunes and stuff. When it gets bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like it's so funny because you know, Westwood's

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<v Speaker 1>got his uh, got his girlfriend Caddy in for him,

0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and he talks about it like two days before about

0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, she doesn't know that much about golf, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a big deal. And then like you see

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<v Speaker 1>it out like a torrential down for it, and you're like, well,

0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.200
<v Speaker 1>this is maybe where experienced candy could help a little

0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.800
<v Speaker 1>bit more. Keeping everything dry and everything. He didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>have a rain jacket. It was just I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, this is just that had to be just

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<v Speaker 1>brutal out there that day. What do you think of

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<v Speaker 1>Port Rush?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? It looked incredible, right, I mean it's I heard

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<v Speaker 2>nothing but good reports. It looked and men looked amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>looked seemed like a perfect venue really. I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>just love it to the Irish, right, it's just their

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<v Speaker 2>They just broth on supporting events. It's just their thing

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<v Speaker 2>and they're strong in goo. And they had like three

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<v Speaker 2>or four like what well and probably two realistic contenders

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<v Speaker 2>that they thought of with McDowell and McElroy like the

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<v Speaker 2>favorite of the tournament, and they got Larry and Harrington

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<v Speaker 2>and they got a great cast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh. I thought that the scale

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<v Speaker 1>of it was just in a way it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of felt to me a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>the opens version of like Shinnacock. Because of the topography

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<v Speaker 1>and the way the greens repel, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just looked like it demanded really you couldn't get away

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<v Speaker 2>with anything, but if you did play well, it looked

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<v Speaker 2>like there was good scores there that looked like you

0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.440
<v Speaker 2>had to play really well. But I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the way the greens kind of run off. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that, you know, small targets and everything. That's to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the the key to testing you guys is like there's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be ways of you know, like great shots

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<v Speaker 1>were really great shots out there, and good shots were

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<v Speaker 1>just good you know, mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, how about that first time? How would

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<v Speaker 2>you like a first t I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>fair to have out of bounds on the side both

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<v Speaker 2>sides of the first valley, Like, I know it's not

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be fair and all that, but one getting

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<v Speaker 2>the field away when every third guy's reloading too, like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just pumping into the window that you could

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<v Speaker 2>see that we're all just like backboarding irons and just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to sneak it on the front edge of the

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<v Speaker 2>fairway because just get it between the white posts. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's about the most brutal first T shirt I've ever seen,

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<v Speaker 2>Like incredible. I don't know, they just finally a bounce

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<v Speaker 2>this too, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're internal. Well I guess they didn't own the

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<v Speaker 1>land originally, so now they own it, but it's still

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<v Speaker 1>out of balance. I know shackle For was was just

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<v Speaker 1>so mad about it, but I mean, did you see

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<v Speaker 1>Darren Clark who got up there the first first morning

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<v Speaker 1>just pulled out driver just a bush, just rip. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that was like that. I thought, like it was

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<v Speaker 1>so funny because like that first T shirt, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a driver hole, you know. And then the rest

0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.200
<v Speaker 1>of the week all the irons off that tea.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean of like the out of bounds on one side,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Prestwick thing or the I mean a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a tighter version of like Snandra's kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>without out of bounds. I want to help, but give

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<v Speaker 2>a guy if he wants to just bail it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it'd a really weak kind of conservative t shot. Let

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<v Speaker 2>the guy do that, right, if he's kind of making

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<v Speaker 2>the whole really hard for himself. But out of bounds

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<v Speaker 2>on both sides twenty to a fairway or something I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad I didn't have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just it's a scary, scary shot. It's probably

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest t shot on the course right off the bout.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine there's a hard one. I mean there was.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of bounds is just the ultimate penalty, right because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just add one and start again. Like it's.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty much the worst way to start a tournament without.

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<v Speaker 2>A doubt bounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, it's uh so, you know, like Ricky, another

0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.840
<v Speaker 1>high finish for Ricky. Females starting to rack up these

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<v Speaker 1>high finishes. Fleetwood, what what do you think about guys

0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.359
<v Speaker 1>that come close a lot? But like, because I mean

0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody's always like, is Ricky going to do it? And

0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.399
<v Speaker 1>now people are saying, well's Fleetwood the new Ricky. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to me, sometimes it's half luck, but like

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<v Speaker 1>that the ball bounces the right way. But like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even Westwood's a perfect example a guy that's been there

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<v Speaker 1>so many times that when does experience start to turn

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<v Speaker 1>into a bad thing in majors?

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<v Speaker 2>More, I don't know. I guess scot tissue. I mean,

0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I guess guys at Westwood and Sergerio eventually developed a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of Scots issue, right did you ended up beating it?

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<v Speaker 2>But they had a lot of Sundays that didn't go

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<v Speaker 2>there why And I guess or as Taga, every time

0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.919
<v Speaker 2>he was on a Sunday he would win right and

0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.160
<v Speaker 2>get into last group. So he had like the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>of that, he had just bulletproof confidence. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think that more times they

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<v Speaker 2>had generally, the better off you're going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>next time, the more comfortable. It certainly would be helpful

0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the guys if they closed the deal the first time

0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.280
<v Speaker 2>they were up there, you know, is in the next

0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.719
<v Speaker 2>few times it would be easy, right, Like it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a thing and it's such a wake from them, there is,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's such a stress from the golf world

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<v Speaker 2>on this major thing. They make people feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>need to win it or they're not a real golfer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, hang on a minute. I mean, Fleetwood's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty real golfer, you know. Rookie Fowl is a

0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.560
<v Speaker 2>pretty real golfer. Like they what if they don't win

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<v Speaker 2>one in the end. I mean they're good enough too,

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<v Speaker 2>and if they do, that'd be great, But it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the world. But it's put It's put

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<v Speaker 2>to these people like it's the end of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they the guys who carry that sort of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>Like a guy like Dustin obviously doesn't carry that, you know,

0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.200
<v Speaker 2>but other guys Sergeria obviously carried it quite heavy, and

0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Lee carried it quite heavy, and even like Phil and

0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Deval and that before they won, guys like that, they

0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.240
<v Speaker 2>were carrying it pretty heavy before they got it done.

0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:09.520
<v Speaker 2>It's a tough deal. There's enough self inflicted pressure. But

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<v Speaker 2>outside of that, Ricky, I think Ricky's too good to

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<v Speaker 2>not get it done at one point. He just he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a weakness as a golfer. Physically, he's an

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievable ball striker, plenty long enough, great iron player, ridiculous

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.440
<v Speaker 2>short game, and he's everyone wants to part like Ricky.

0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he has everything and it obviously has the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to finish the deal because he's won a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of tournaments and the way he won that Players Championship,

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<v Speaker 2>which is probably the hardest finishing stretch or the most

0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.639
<v Speaker 2>penal finishing stretch we played regularly, and me he just

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's thirty seventeen three times in a row

0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:46.880
<v Speaker 2>in the last round of the playoffs and he'd drive

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<v Speaker 2>it down of the eight. I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who knows what to do under pressure, right, he

0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.439
<v Speaker 2>can get it done. So maybe it's just a matter of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just putting it all together in one Week's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a compliment that he's always there, you know,

0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and there's like this hard there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing is like there's only you know, I

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.240
<v Speaker 1>think Brooks said this in that press conference where he

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.199
<v Speaker 1>talked about like how there's only so many guys at

0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.840
<v Speaker 1>a major he has to beat and Ricky like there's

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<v Speaker 1>only so many guys that can finish in the top

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<v Speaker 1>five of a major regularly. Like you might get hot

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 1>one week and finish up there, but like you know how,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there can't be more than a dozen guys

0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.359
<v Speaker 1>that could regularly finish top five in any major you

0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:28.800
<v Speaker 1>put them in.

0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.040
<v Speaker 2>No, there can't be many. I mean there's like ten, right,

0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.920
<v Speaker 2>there's the obvious ones. I mean you can see Baba

0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.920
<v Speaker 2>having a yewer. He's up there, Adam having a yewer.

0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:43.600
<v Speaker 2>He's up there a lot Brooks, Dustin Rory, You're running

0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.160
<v Speaker 2>out of a rose dancing in his time, but probably

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.879
<v Speaker 2>not at the moment. You know, like that Consistently it's

0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.760
<v Speaker 2>a pretty high level getting the top five in a major.

0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Ricky's always in the last two or three

0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.400
<v Speaker 2>groups on the Sunday. It seems like, No, I can't

0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.200
<v Speaker 2>imagine he's not going to get it done. And Tommy

0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 2>what Tommy did it Shinnecock last year and the Ryder Cup,

0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.879
<v Speaker 2>He's clearly not. He's tilly very capable under pressure. Right

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.520
<v Speaker 2>that shot he hit eighteen at Shinnecock to maybe shot

0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.320
<v Speaker 2>sixty two was that was a proper golf shot and

0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.800
<v Speaker 2>at that point, and at that point it really felt

0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.320
<v Speaker 2>like he could win this tournam by three or four

0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.160
<v Speaker 2>at Chinnicock finishing that early. So I mean, I think

0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.000
<v Speaker 2>he'll get it done too. I think Ricky's been up

0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.920
<v Speaker 2>there a lot more than Tommy hasn't he I feel.

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Like way more. It's I found this crazy stat in

0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the since twenty fourteen, Ricky is one of three players

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't fallen outside of the top fifteen ever in

0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 1>the world rankings. It's him, that's Rose and I can't

0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:49.879
<v Speaker 1>remember the third one zat Dustin it's a I can't remember,

0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 1>but it's He's I mean, it's crazy. The consistency isn't seen.

0:21:55.440 --> 0:22:00.280
<v Speaker 2>As I say, he doesn't have a weakness as a golfer.

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can go in between the ears and

0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's an unmeasurable but from tee to green

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and around the greens, he just he doesn't have a weakness.

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 2>He's probably arguably top to bottom one of the best

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 2>golfers ever because he just doesn't. He just hits, does

0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.359
<v Speaker 2>everything well, and he seems to love the lengths, and

0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.760
<v Speaker 2>he travels around the world and he plays interesting tournaments

0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and like he's all good. I can't see him not

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.399
<v Speaker 2>like getting it done at some point. But maybe not.

0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he's just it's not a matter of gil Maybe

0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a bit of timing and luck, Like you say,

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.120
<v Speaker 2>horses that suit his eye that week. You know, maybe

0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 2>he had lowry like on a this a lot of

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 2>runover motion that's hard to beat. You know when guys

0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 2>likes to lowry tap into something like that. You see

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.680
<v Speaker 2>those stories that's it seemed inevitable after a while. That's

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Saturday when he was finished in those last few holes.

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 2>It's just the inevitability of it. It was like, Wow,

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 2>that's how do you beat that? You know, so you

0:22:58.040 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 2>can run in You run into that a few times

0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.720
<v Speaker 2>and not really on you. And he's run into Brooks

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:04.440
<v Speaker 2>kept here the last couple of years, and that's pretty

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 2>hard to beat, you know, So they'll get it done.

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 2>It's a great conversation, though, the best player to not

0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 2>win a major, I think it's ridiculous, but I think

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:12.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a great conversation.

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was, so I started to think about like

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.879
<v Speaker 1>guy like Ricky and like how he compares and because

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 1>like the number, like how do you how do you

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.639
<v Speaker 1>value a top five in a major? Like what's is?

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.119
<v Speaker 1>What's more impressive winning the John Deere or coming fifth

0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 1>in a major?

0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Again, how do you measure that? But I think you

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:43.120
<v Speaker 2>have to like take a like what is success as

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>a professional golfer? I mean success as a golfer is

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:48.960
<v Speaker 2>someone who doesn't have a real job. It gets to

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 2>play golf every day of his life and he doesn't

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 2>have to worry about money otherwhere else. Right, that's success.

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.119
<v Speaker 2>He gets to play golf whenever he wants. Ricky Fowler

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 2>is about as successful as you can possibly get by

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:03.639
<v Speaker 2>that metric to like have anything out there that's you

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:05.879
<v Speaker 2>would if he ends without a major, that that was

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 2>a failure. It's like, hang on a minute. He's got

0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:09.439
<v Speaker 2>a hundred million in the bank. He's an unbelievable life.

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 2>He's never sat at a desk and he played golf

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 2>every day of his life. How was that not success?

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.160
<v Speaker 2>You know? So I think it's kind of they're amazing

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:18.879
<v Speaker 2>to win, and he's good enough to win in history

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>will be looking at him better if he does. All

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.439
<v Speaker 2>these guys if they do. But I don't know, you're

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 2>playing golf every day your life and you're getting paid.

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good and everybody loves you.

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 1>He's gone, all right, yeah, Yeah, That's like kind of

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 1>where I'm going with this idea is like, you know,

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.399
<v Speaker 1>like I think, like a top five in a major

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.359
<v Speaker 1>is probably the same as winning a you know, same

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>level of achievement as winning a regular event. So it's

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>like people like to bag on Ricky because he's only

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.199
<v Speaker 1>got six major wins, but you know, the number of

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 1>top five finishes in majors is just extraordinary.

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 2>To me, the joy of the job was always the

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 2>being in contention, you know, the having a chance the

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 2>last nine and feeling all that that goes with that,

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.879
<v Speaker 2>and just being in the mix. He gets that every week.

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 2>He has fun almost every week because he's always in

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 2>the mix, you know, or somewhat near the mix. To me,

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>that's the fun. And I mean the winning is obviously

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.200
<v Speaker 2>great everything that comes with it, but the real enjoyment

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 2>for me came out of And a lot of guys

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:19.439
<v Speaker 2>will say that. Tiger always said that he loved just

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>being in it, Like it's just that's the fun part.

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Like that, that high pressure situation when guys are playing

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 2>well and you're all just doing your stuff. That's my

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 2>favorite part. And he gets to do that all the time.

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 2>So on some level, he's he's scratching the itch that

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:36.880
<v Speaker 2>he had when he was young that I just want

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>to get on TV and I want to compete against

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the best, and I just want to like play well

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.640
<v Speaker 2>in the biggest tournaments. He's doing that. You know, we've

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 2>turned into talking about Ricky, but I also he has

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 2>in the guys who can tend all the time and

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 2>haven't been winning him. I'll win them, and if they don't,

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's the end of the world. It'd

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 2>be great for them if they do, and they're good

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 2>enough if they can. But yeah, I don't know. I

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 2>think it's a little bit over But I think amazing thing.

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think majors are great and you should have

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 2>benchmarks in sports, you know, you really should. But it

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.879
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean it's failure if it's not black and white.

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of success that you can

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 2>have in golf without winning a major.

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I think as golf, as like statistics become more and

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>more prevalent in golf, I think that what we'll get

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>valued more is is like some somebody that has one

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 1>major win versus somebody that has no major wins and

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty top fives like that, that's gonna shift a little bit,

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, where people aren't just gonna be like, well

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>he's got a major, you know, and he doesn't. That's

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's changing with a week.

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Probably should, I mean it probably should. I mean from

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 2>some metric, Sam's Need was a better player than Jack Nicholas.

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 2>He won ninety tournaments and did it, and he won

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 2>in his twenties thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, Like, I mean,

0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty outrageous. He was good for fifty is you know?

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's obviously he's not. But he enjoyed his

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 2>time along the way, you know what I mean. I

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's there's only four of them a year,

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and there's one hundred and fifty or two hundred guys

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 2>trying I mean, not share them around that much.

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<v Speaker 1>And now back to Jeff Ogilvie. What do you think

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>of the Xander thing?

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>That's I don't know. I've got a few different thoughts

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>on that. I mean, I think they should clearly test

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>drivers every now and then, but I think they should

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 2>test every driver that's going to end up in a

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>two players bag. That should test before tailor made or

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Callaway or titlist or anyone puts it in a player's

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 2>hands so it knows it's a it's a legit, good

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>safe drive before a player and gets it in his hands.

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what should happen. But I think the

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>owners should be on the manufacturer a little bit, and

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>the U S and the R and I and USGI

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 2>for not testing. Uh, pretty tough to test on a

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Monday or the tournament. You know of a major see.

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>But that's that's the thing. Is like every other every

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>other sport that plays for millions of dollars that uses equipment,

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>that equipment's tested like you know, like NASCAR, the cars

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>are tested before and after every race. You know, for cycling,

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>the bikes are weighed before and after every race. Like

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to me, like with how much money is at stake

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that you wouldn't be able to tell,

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>like by the by looking at a driver you have

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>no clue if it's conforming or not. That the tests

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>have to happen right before the first t.

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 2>But how impracticable is that. I mean, you're going to

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 2>tell a guy that he can't use his driver that

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>he just warmed up with.

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be. I mean, I don't think you'll have

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>any nonconforming drivers then, but I.

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Think the owners should be I think one hundred percent,

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 2>I think you should test. But I don't think it

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 2>should be anything to do with the player. I think

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 2>it should be through the manufacturer because that's it's complete

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 2>trust from a player, and I don't I'm pretty sure

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Callawai didn't mean to give him a driver that was

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 2>like that. I mean, they build him close to the

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>edge and there's tolerances either way, and it probably happens

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 2>on one out of twenty drivers that they do that, right,

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 2>or I hope something like that. Well that's the test.

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>They can be where they can wear to where they're

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>over too. So if you hit a bunch of times,

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>well then it goes over.

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that too. Yeah, Well, I think the owners

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>should be on the manufacturer because I think there's complete

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 2>trust from the player that what his manufacturer is giving

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 2>him is kosher, you know, and if they go on

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>to all the manufacturers is right that we're just going

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>to constantly test that we're going to come in every

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 2>week and we're going to to bring in I don't

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>know all the drivers that are going to end up

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>on the range. They just go through this test and

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 2>we just make sure it never it can never even

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>happen from the start, you know. And maybe you test

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>everyone's clubs once go through bag storage, or everyone drops

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>their clubs off once a month or something and they

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>check the driver or something. I don't know, but Tuesday

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>or Monday Tuesday of a major to find you don't

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 2>have your driver, that's a bit unfair because it's not

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>his fault. It's just one hundred percent not his fault.

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>He had no clue. It's not no play in the

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>history of the world is going to say, hey, can

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 2>you test my driver? I think it's illegal. You know.

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>JT said that he did that.

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Really well, okay, well that's cool. I've never found that.

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I've never had a drive. I've just gone away, I

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>have could this go? I'm not going to ask any.

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Questions, but I know that's I mean, I think that's

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>like the thing. It is like I I think about it,

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, I don't it just seems like something

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that it's got to be tested. There's ten ten, ten

0:31:58.000 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>million plus dollar purses out there.

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I certainly think you have to test, but I think

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a better way to have it done than the

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 2>way they did. And I don't know this thirty tests,

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>why can't your testiment? Like, if you're going to test,

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>you might as well testimal.

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>The test takes like twenty seconds.

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>So maybe at some point. And your registration process when

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>you register when you're because those majors are these tournaments,

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a process to registering. Sometimes it might take five

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 2>or ten minutes. You come your register with your bag,

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>they take your bag out of the back, they bounce

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the ball off the face and they go, right, you're good,

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 2>off you go. I don't know, maybe that's how you

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>do it. But I do think the owners should be

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>on the manufacturer. I really do, because we technically don't

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 2>own our golf clubs. The manufacturers do. We're just borrowing

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>them from them. You know, we are using what they

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>want us to use. That's I'm not saying it's anybody's fight.

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I think any manufacturers are intended that are intending to

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 2>get illegal stuff in people's hands, but it happens, Like

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>you say, they can wear out and stuff can happen.

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's oonus is on them because we're

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>we are like kresh as dummies for their clubs in

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a while, where a mennecans for their clubs. So we uh,

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I think the owners should be on them.

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>So so in cycling, there's there's there's bikers that are

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>putting motors in their bikes and these are these tiny

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>little motors. Yeah tiny. They don't help you really unless

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 1>you're going up a hill, and these little motors can

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>go make you go one mile an hour faster for

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>short periods of time but in a three week race,

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>it makes this huge difference. And it's been like an

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.479
<v Speaker 1>epidemic in there they're using like thermal cameras, but like

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>to the naked eye, nobody would ever know. So like

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 1>here's like you know, while you view it this way,

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>there could be some like that's where I think, like

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the testing, it has to happen because like you you know,

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 1>there's always a bad apple here is.

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>But look, you're comparing cycling, which is a sport that

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 2>historically people have been quite happy to try to break

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 2>the rules. I mean they asked Eddie Mrks, could you

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 2>win the Tour de France without drugs? Eddie Mrks won

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>five right in the fifth sixties and seventies, he was

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 2>a hero. Could you win the Tour de France without drugs?

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 2>He goes, why would you want to? That was his answer.

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's been in that sport. It's just part

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>of the sport to get away with one. I mean,

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it's bizarre they're putting motors in their bikes,

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.840
<v Speaker 2>But golf's different. I mean the difference in Xander's driver,

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the illegal one to the illegal one would be half

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 2>a yard or something. He would be so insignificant. I mean,

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:41.760
<v Speaker 2>obviously you can make one that would go fifty yards further. Yeah,

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 2>but it's people aren't It's not like people the winning

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.359
<v Speaker 2>tournaments obviously because they've got legal drivers, where that would

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 2>be different in a bike race over three weeks you

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 2>really have if you are not riding as much as

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>everyone else, that's a big difference. I'm not saying it's

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>not important, and you have a line in the sand,

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>you've got to do it. I just think no one,

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 2>there's no intention here. No one's intending to do this.

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 2>And and I think the reason Xander got so annoyed

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 2>is because of that inference that he was kind of

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 2>trying to cheat a little bit, which is completely false

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 2>because he would have had no clue that it was illegal.

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 2>And if any guy on tour that I know knew

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 2>they had an legal driver, most would want to get

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 2>it changed.

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, like, and I don't think this is

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 1>about Xander. It's like my my thinking is just like,

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, like what happened to him and the other

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>guys that got like whatever, Like it's the whole idea

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 1>that we've that you got that that you guys play

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>for ten million dollars and there's no regular testing. To me,

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>is absolutely insane.

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I think all any player, and I think every player

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>wants it too. The players just want to level playing

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 2>field like this precedent. I mean, back in the good

0:35:57.840 --> 0:35:59.959
<v Speaker 2>old days, guys used to hacks all their grooves out

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and do crazy stuff on their wedges. I mean it's

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of happened, and put grease on the face of

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the driver and like it's I mean it's people have

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 2>done this stuff. But as I said, the equipment in

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the old days, you'd go into your the proch up

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 2>or then your garage and like mess around with your clubs.

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Now you just go into the the laboratory on the

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 2>range and they just give you a new club and

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 2>you hit it. You just it's trust you Just how

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>do you measure COI yourself? You know, you hit ten

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>drivers and one goes a bit better, or that could

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>be the shaft or your swing or that day, or

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>that one goes better, or maybe it just matches you better.

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 2>How are you supposed to know that it's breaking the rule?

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's impossible for a player to work that out.

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Now I agree with that. I think it's obviously like

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I don't. I would never have any

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>clue what my driver set up would be, and I

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 1>don't think anybody like you can't. But like that's where yeah,

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.760
<v Speaker 1>it is trust, but they're just has to be testing.

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody probably should probably.

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Wake up car the players need to put the hand

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 2>up and say, yes, we're happy for you to test.

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 2>But if you start testing, you have to test everybody.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And I still think it should go through the manufacturer

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 2>side of things, I really do. I think it would

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 2>be best if no driver like that ever even made

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 2>it into a bag, like it was stopped before it

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>got there. Ye wad be the best solution. It's almost

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 2>like somehow.

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:26.919
<v Speaker 1>If they could figure out how much like you could

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>potentially wear it, you know, like say you use a

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>driver for two years and it wears, then saying like okay,

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>if it's at this limit, like you can't put it

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 1>in there because it's going to go over in two years.

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's crazy. Have you ever used driver

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>for two years?

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I did in the old days, But like

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the more the technology is moving the past year chair

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 2>well titleist product cycle is two years generally, so I

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>generally used titless products for two years, but I would

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 2>probably not use generally in that two year period of

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.800
<v Speaker 2>the same head, I've used a different laft or different shaft,

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>or cut half an inch off or changed the waiting around.

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'd never keep it the same for two years.

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have used the same hit.

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:21.759
<v Speaker 1>This whole thing's kind of kind of funny for me.

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I Uh, I've got this driver that my buddy who's

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>on the web gave me, so it's out of it.

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a tour van driver. And it's funny because I've

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I've had the same guy fit me for clubs for

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 1>like twelve years, and I went in to get a

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>new new driver and I hit it, and then he

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 1>had me hitting all the new stuff and he's like,

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 1>you would be absolutely insane to switch from this driver.

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>And it's like a twenty sixteen twenty fifteen driver.

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Yeah, But I think it's just.

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Because it's I think it's it was going as far,

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, if not further, and way straighter than everything else.

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Driver is a very important club. Certainly, if you

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 2>have a rule, you have to police the rule. They're

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 2>just going to find a better way to do it

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.439
<v Speaker 2>than they did, because it didn't. It was just bad

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 2>for everyone, right the way it came down.

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and nobody looked good.

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:24.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'd be better than yeah, no one look good.

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>They should have just tested everybody. That's like the logical thing.

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and what they have four out of thirty not

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 2>past that's quite a high. That's quite a lot. I mean,

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 2>so you would have had twenty or so in the field,

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 2>which is pretty significant, which is actually shows that there's

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 2>an issue, right if you had tested thirty and you've

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 2>got four of them.

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 1>That's what That's why I was kind of thinking with it.

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Is like if if it had been one, you know,

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:54.720
<v Speaker 1>you could say, oh, blah blah blah. But thirteen percent

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 1>is a big number.

0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>It is. It means there's twenty or so in the field,

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 2>which would be clearly it needs to be tested. But

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm a bit maybe I'm naive about sort

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. There has to be a black and white

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 2>rule in the sand. But I bet Exander didn't drive

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 2>it any shorter or any different, No, you know.

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's the thing is like, if it's

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>just one over, it's not a big deal. But it

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of is a big deal because like for the

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>guy that's five under, you know, well, it's.

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Like a it's like a false start in running race.

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean it might only be one hundredth of a second,

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 2>but it's all it's important, right, So it's I mean,

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 2>it's important if you have a line in the sand,

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 2>you actually have to make sure everyone's on the one

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:41.399
<v Speaker 2>side of it. But it's one of it's a weird

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 2>situation in the sport at the moment. It's like there's

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>there's no intent by anybody because the maount of the

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 2>tolerances are so they're going right up against the line.

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 2>They're not they're trying to make it legal, and they

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 2>make five thousand of them or five million of them,

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and a few of them are going to fall on

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 2>the outside of the line because there's manufacturing tolerances and

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>they end up in two bags and it's going to happen.

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's trying to do it. It just happens, right, There's

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 2>got to be a way of catching it before it

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 2>gets to that kind of layer getting called out, manufacturer

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 2>getting called out, r and a getting called out. Like

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 2>everyone kind of lost out of that exchange. But it

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>could be done where everybody, no one even knew what happened,

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.479
<v Speaker 2>but everyone just was comfortable that everyone's clubs were legit.

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 2>I would be that situation, right.

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing is that I think as a competitor

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>is a if you like, you should want this.

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Again. I mean, you do want it, but I also

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 2>like whatever I've always been like, if people want to

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 2>do that, they're going to get found out. Like, I

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know, that's stress about stuff, But you're right, if

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 2>you play this much money as is important. Golf's always

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 2>had that spirit of you know what. There's probably a

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 2>few guys who try to push the envelope, but most guys.

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 2>The thing that Xander seemed to hate the most was

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 2>someone joking that he cheated. Like that really freaks a

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>golfer out when he hears that, Like any situation that

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.359
<v Speaker 2>puts him in that position is not really fair because

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 2>it had nothing to do with him. Really, I don't think.

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:14.839
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know how he could have known that

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:15.800
<v Speaker 2>it was illegal.

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that because like that that's a

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.959
<v Speaker 1>brutal situation to be in, especially when like you're trying

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to win a major championship and you got your peers

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 1>saying like even if they're joking, it's just like.

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.120
<v Speaker 2>You could own us on the players and say, hey, look,

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the manufacturers will come up with their own testing device

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>to have on tour. Its like if you get a

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 2>driver you think he's extra special, boys, and you really

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 2>want to be confident, you can take it out into

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 2>a come in back into our van, will show you

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 2>on the machine. See it's passes go. You know, maybe

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 2>the owners could be on the player, but in that situation,

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like a pre pree measure,

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 2>and the manufacturer just won't let that driver go back

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:54.439
<v Speaker 2>out of the van.

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Well see, but that's the manufacturer is the one that

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.919
<v Speaker 1>to me has the least straight intentions here.

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well they clearly are quite happy to have drivers

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:08.759
<v Speaker 2>that go a long way out exactly.

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So like to me, like the manufacturers, it's the governing body,

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the PGA, tour and the player are the three player

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 1>people that have you know, have aligned interests here, and

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the manufacturer is the one that doesn't.

0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 2>They they're the only ones who could who have the

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 2>technology and the means to like logistically like make sure

0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>players don't get a legal ones though you know, maybe

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 2>they get maybe they get fined. If a player that

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 2>plays their equipment it comes out of their van, that happens,

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 2>they get fined.

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>See that that would be I think the right way.

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.759
<v Speaker 2>So like in this situation, Callaway get fined because they

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>have put an legal driver in play. I really don't think.

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm a play and I know I'm trying

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 2>to say it's not a players fall, but it really isn't.

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Like maybe the owners should be on us, So maybe

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 2>more players will go check now, you know, because of this,

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 2>guys will be ooh, my driver's a bit special. Better

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 2>go check this before that happens to me. So it

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:15.359
<v Speaker 2>might be good in that respect. But I think the

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 2>manufacturer should get fine because I think they have the

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:21.879
<v Speaker 2>capability and wherewithal to test drivers before they put them

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 2>in players hands, and just to make sure drivers like

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 2>they just don't get in players hands and test the

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>period and test the periodically when they do the regrips

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 2>every six weeks for the boys or whatever, because guys

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 2>will get their regrips four or five times a year

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and they leave their bag there and they go have

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 2>lunch and they come back and the lilofts. When you

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.279
<v Speaker 2>do that, you test the woods and if they pass good.

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 2>If they don't, you talk to your man, you say, look,

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:42.800
<v Speaker 2>you got to get a new driver. This one's not

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 2>going to pass anymore. Yeah, or something like that.

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like what everybody's saying now is that is

0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 1>that three woods are even worse because no keep.

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Them in there. They don't test ther on the there's

0:44:56.440 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 2>no I don't believe there is a TOR rule, the

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:02.959
<v Speaker 2>same CR rule on a three wood as a driver,

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 2>but they don't have a test for the three wood

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 2>or something something like that. Three woods go nuclear. Now

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:10.439
<v Speaker 2>there's so long. Oh, there's one hundred percent. There's three

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 2>woods that are bouncing all over the place. But I

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 2>don't think there's anything in the rules of golf that

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>it either doesn't allow you to test them or there

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 2>isn't a CR rule on a three wood one or

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 2>the other. I don't know, but it's a weird. It's

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 2>a weird area of the rules.

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 1>That all right, let's let's move on. We don't need

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>to talk about this anymore. But uh so we got

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 1>we got FedEx Cup coming up. I'm curious your take

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 1>is as a player who played before and after, what

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:42.319
<v Speaker 1>are your thoughts on the playoff system.

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Firstly, this scheduling, playing that tournament they played last week

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.439
<v Speaker 2>and now playing in Memphis this week, that's a big

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 2>that's a big ask for a lot of reasons. Memphis

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>has always been a great tournament. It's a great venue,

0:45:55.120 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 2>but it's really really hot and it's a WGC, so

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 2>it's the real deal the week after the real deal.

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Like back to back, it feels like they've had a

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 2>bit of a relentless run here and Ireland Northern Ireland

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 2>to Memphis is a bit of a mission that aside.

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.920
<v Speaker 2>The FedEx Cup. I like it. I think it's I

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:21.279
<v Speaker 2>think it's I think it's been really good. I think

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 2>we've generally had really cool champions. Eventually one of the

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.359
<v Speaker 2>better players of the year has won the whole thing.

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.400
<v Speaker 2>So it seems to find a really good player. I

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:31.399
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I think you can argue up and down

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>whether it's volatile enough or not violatile enough. But there

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 2>was there was probably four new four tournaments that were

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 2>five six million dollar tournaments all of a sudden turned

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:46.480
<v Speaker 2>into eight million dollar tournaments with FedEx Cup, and to

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 2>me that was great just for a player. There's just

0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 2>more money to play for, which is really the point

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 2>of a professional golf after the prestige of winning all

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 2>the tournaments and stuff, I mean, the point of being

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 2>a proposed to pilot cash, especially at the end of

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the year, and there was another opportunity to do that.

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 2>So I kind of like them.

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's to play golf all the time and never

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:04.320
<v Speaker 1>have to work.

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:15.000
<v Speaker 1>That that WGC. So next year they go open WGC Olympics.

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there'll be a bit of attrition in

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 2>the WGC field. I would think maybe a lot because

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics doesn't capture the whole Gulf world, right, I mean,

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 2>it's just a couple from each country. That's a long

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 2>run Japan, like Britain to Memphis to Tokyo. It's putting

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>some miles in the put some miles on the plane.

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Whoever does that is a true iron man.

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's legendary. That would be absolutely legendary.

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 2>There'll be guys who do it. It probably won't be many.

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 2>There won't be won't be that many who are in

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 2>all three. There will be actually a few. He'll be

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:52.760
<v Speaker 2>an all three because the top fifty in the world guys.

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I think the playoffs are great. I think it's they're

0:47:56.080 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 2>smart finishing it before football. I think it's it's it

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>just shows you that there's just really is a lot

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 2>of quality events, and like where do you put them all?

0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 2>There's just a lot of tournaments that are really good,

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.560
<v Speaker 2>and we start in January and we have good tournaments

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 2>most weeks all the way through to September, and we're

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 2>and we're telling everyone it's too compressed and there's too

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 2>many good tournaments. So what do you want us to do?

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Like lots of people want to sponsor tournaments and put

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 2>tournaments on. It's a good thing. Running out of dates,

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, what is tough for the place.

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:36.440
<v Speaker 1>So one one thought I've had just recently is what

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>if less guys made the playoffs? And since like Golf's

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:47.240
<v Speaker 1>struggle is always seemingly been that they like weighing season

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 1>long performance appropriately in the playoffs, right, so that you know,

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>number one twenty isn't going to win the FedEx Cup,

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, put the whole thing after having you know,

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:05.919
<v Speaker 1>pretty mediocre year. So what if like only forty eight

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>guys made it, and like every other sport, everybody in

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs is on a level ground.

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:16.800
<v Speaker 2>It's the constant debat. I mean, I was on the

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 2>pack the Player Advisory Committee for a lot of the

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 2>period when we were doing the FedEx carpet was coming

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:27.359
<v Speaker 2>and all the different little kind of adjustments they made

0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 2>in points and format and stuff. And it's half the

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.520
<v Speaker 2>people want pure playoffs start at zero. Half the people

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 2>want like no change. They just want to be rewarded

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.759
<v Speaker 2>for their whole year. Like it's a really you're never

0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>going to please everybody with it. I think the word

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:45.799
<v Speaker 2>playoffs was the wrong word because then everybody expects like

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of knockout football basketball style playoffs, because golf really

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 2>is your body of work is kind of to be

0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 2>respected more than a four round time tournament, you know,

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:03.760
<v Speaker 2>like Tiger's body of work and it's not only the wins,

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 2>but it's like second third, always in the top ten.

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Ricky Fowler's body of work and the majors is very important,

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 2>and it's harder to do that. It's harder to play

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 2>thirty tournaments consistently well than it is to play two,

0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 2>you know. So that's the spirit in that people want

0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 2>to recognize the the whole year. But there's also the

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 2>for the excitement purposes of the of the actual tournaments

0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and to make them bigger, more exciting tournaments, and more

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 2>volatility would be better. So it's that it's a debate,

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.879
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know what's right. You know, as I said,

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:44.719
<v Speaker 2>they kind of they didn't really choose either direction, volatility

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:46.400
<v Speaker 2>or looking after the thing. They've kind of walked the

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 2>tight rope in the middle and they've always tried to

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:51.279
<v Speaker 2>keep it there. You know. I like them. This year

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 2>will be interesting because the formats bizarre this year so bizarre,

0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:58.400
<v Speaker 2>it'll take people get time to get used to. Like

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 2>starting off at a difference to ornament, where you start

0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 2>off at a different score. That's pretty amazing. But the

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:07.239
<v Speaker 2>you start ten under, I think is that the guy

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.719
<v Speaker 2>who's leading and the next guy's eight under it. Yeah,

0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of weird that your ten shots behind on

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:12.760
<v Speaker 2>the first tee for half the field?

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Did you? Did you hear?

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 2>That showed us all the numbers. They showed us that

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.360
<v Speaker 2>they ran through historically the last ten TOO championships, and

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 2>they showed us how it all would have worked out.

0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 2>It would have kind of worked out similarly weirdly enough,

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 2>like it's but that doesn't take into account the guy

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be on the first team in a

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:33.800
<v Speaker 2>different headspace now because of their starting score. So I

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know, we'll see how it goes.

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 1>The OWGR board for the World Rankings is wouldn't take

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 1>the net event, so they're the results. So your your

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 1>official World Golf Ranking points will come from a traditional

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 1>seventy two hall championship.

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Which is nonsense, right, because what it's nonsense both ways.

0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:02.359
<v Speaker 2>It's nonsense because you're playing in a different headspace. If

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:06.840
<v Speaker 2>you start ten behind your your head is in a

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:08.960
<v Speaker 2>different you're putting different swings on it, and you're feeling

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 2>different and making different decisions and playing a different seventy

0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:13.400
<v Speaker 2>two holes, and you would if you started the same.

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 2>You just are. So that's interesting. I don't know.

0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like, do you play for the play for the

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.920
<v Speaker 1>World World Golf Ranking points? Like winning the Tour Championship,

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 1>that's it's a big number that's going into your OWGR.

0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:32.520
<v Speaker 1>And like if you're anywhere near a major cut line,

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:34.719
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna you know, get you in or get you

0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:36.719
<v Speaker 1>out or do you go for the fedexcap.

0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting. Are they going to

0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.040
<v Speaker 2>know on the course? Are they going to know if

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 2>they were leading the actual no handicap event.

0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think so. I can't imagine that

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.400
<v Speaker 1>putting two scoreboards.

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:54.919
<v Speaker 2>Up, and they won't if that's just a World Golf

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:56.919
<v Speaker 2>ranking thing that they won't put it on TV. That'll

0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 2>be like they'll try to make that not be an issue.

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:01.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think it'll be interesting. I don't know.

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, when Rory won, you hold that shot, it

0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:07.240
<v Speaker 2>was amazing, and like Tiger won a count the times,

0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and like all the finishes in those FedEx Cups have

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 2>been great. I do think there is a part of

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 2>there is a lot of people who would love to

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 2>see it come down to. I don't know, what if

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.280
<v Speaker 2>you have a group of four on the last round

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:25.560
<v Speaker 2>that's for the ten, and they start at zero on

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the first two on Sunday, you know, I mean, you

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 2>somehow get to that, You somehow get to everybody gets

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 2>their retirement plans and all that, and you play the

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 2>seventy two whole tournament and someone's a too Chamion and

0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 2>then the next day you finish it on Saturday, and

0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:39.879
<v Speaker 2>then the next day Sunday you have the top four

0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:42.839
<v Speaker 2>or the top eight. We're all starting to even best

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.960
<v Speaker 2>got today, when's ten go boys? That would be TV.

0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:49.400
<v Speaker 2>See that would be really cool TV. But again people

0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:51.719
<v Speaker 2>are like, well I led the money list all year

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.440
<v Speaker 2>and I won seven times and I'm not in the

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 2>ten million dollar thing. That's not fair. Like, well you

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 2>won seven times, mate, You've got a bit of money,

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think. But there's a feeling amongst players,

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 2>some of most of the players will be like, well

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 2>that isn't fair. But it's just as fair as anything else, right,

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can hand out money however you want.

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 2>It'll be cool. Though it would be like a super

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Bowl of golf. You have four eight guys starting at

0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 2>zero blank for even if you split it. Maybe you

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 2>had five for the winner of tour championship, you just

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:24.960
<v Speaker 2>had five for the playoff or something. I don't know.

0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Did they ever in the in the pack meetings? Did

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:30.720
<v Speaker 1>you guys ever talk about match play?

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:34.839
<v Speaker 2>I think it was thrown out there a little bit,

0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:39.160
<v Speaker 2>but it's just I don't think it's it's it's just

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 2>been given up by the like how's it big match play?

0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Because it just doesn't seem to work, even though I

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 2>think it could in the right setting.

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one idea I had last year in my head

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>was that you you do a match play, but you

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:57.399
<v Speaker 1>you do it for every single spot and one through

0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 1>thirty two. So like I the last day, you have

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 1>like a you know, a seven versus eight match, you

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:09.520
<v Speaker 1>know for seventh and eighth, and it's worth three hundred grand.

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he could do that.

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Because that would be super cool. And then you get

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, because the beef against match play is like, well,

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Sunday sucks, there's only two guys on the golf course. Well,

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:22.239
<v Speaker 1>you'd have all thirty two guys.

0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Huh, you just it's not a knockout match play. You

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>only progress to the final if you win. But when

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:31.480
<v Speaker 2>you lose, you just play the guy you have to

0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:32.879
<v Speaker 2>play next for your position or whatever.

0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just play. Yeah, you play out all thirty

0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:41.959
<v Speaker 1>two spots. Maybe I think that would be really cool.

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I love the idea of match play'd be kind of cool.

0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I kind of like the idea of the old shootout.

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Remember the old shootout. You'd have nine people on the

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 2>first team and you'd lose a whole player on every

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 2>whole kind of thing. Yeah, but you could do that

0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 2>over a whole week and maybe lose of the thirty.

0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:57.600
<v Speaker 2>You lose five a day or something, and you get

0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 2>down a Sunday and you've got ten and you get

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.120
<v Speaker 2>after nine holes and you lose ten after nine holes,

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 2>or maybe you get down to nine guys and you

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 2>just shoot out the last nine holes. I mean something

0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:08.080
<v Speaker 2>crazy like, I mean, can you imagine?

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:10.719
<v Speaker 1>And it would make us that format, would make it

0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:14.640
<v Speaker 1>relatable because so many people play that in a club event.

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like it's the member guest disorder or stuff like

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:21.319
<v Speaker 2>that in some places. I don't know. I just think

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:26.359
<v Speaker 2>we're an entertainment product at the end of the day,

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and I think as long as everyone gets like rewarded

0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 2>in exemption and financial for their success, it'd be great

0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.320
<v Speaker 2>attention for the game if you could create one of

0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:40.359
<v Speaker 2>those things that, Oh, my god, did you know there's

0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:42.879
<v Speaker 2>this Tiger and Rory and Brooks and Dustin are playing

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:44.399
<v Speaker 2>for ten million today. You got to watch that? Can

0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:45.239
<v Speaker 2>you imagine? Like?

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:46.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Crazy?

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that that was like the thing with

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:55.799
<v Speaker 1>the match. I won't I'll never forget. I want. I

0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 1>watched the match and I went out to the bar

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:01.120
<v Speaker 1>and like to beat the couple of my buddies and

0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 1>there they are not golf fans at all and they

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 1>were like, what, hey, how was the match? Who won

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.239
<v Speaker 1>the match? Who won the match is because it is

0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:12.799
<v Speaker 1>so compelling when a few big names play for a

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.399
<v Speaker 1>big dollar amount, and it's easy to understand for.

0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Them it would be Look, I think there's there's a

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:25.160
<v Speaker 2>big part of Pontovidra that would love that. But unfortunately,

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:28.960
<v Speaker 2>or unfortunately fortunately in most cases that it's a player's

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:30.960
<v Speaker 2>organization and everything has to kind of go to a

0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>vote and you're going to get the cross section of opinions,

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and generally the average one you end up with kind

0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 2>of the one in the middle that doesn't offend too

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>many people and keeps everybody happy. You know, that's just

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the way it works. I think it's pretty I think

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty good. It could be way better, I mean,

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 2>way more exciting, but I think it kind of it

0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:52.000
<v Speaker 2>balances out. As I said, stud, I think it balances

0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 2>out that kind of rewards your year. It's if you

0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:57.000
<v Speaker 2>have a really great year, it's kind of hard to

0:57:57.080 --> 0:58:00.240
<v Speaker 2>miss east Lake. I mean you can, you can, but

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:03.640
<v Speaker 2>it's difficult, And if you finish one hundred and twentieth

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.600
<v Speaker 2>for the year, it's quite difficult to make East like, see.

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:10.320
<v Speaker 1>This's where I think where the current format I think it,

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Like my opinion on this has changed since we started talking.

0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 1>It is like the format where you take the big

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:22.040
<v Speaker 1>risk is the last one because everybody that gets there

0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:26.920
<v Speaker 1>is rewarded and has had a great year or playoff

0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:32.880
<v Speaker 1>run to get there, right, Yeah, so that's where you

0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 1>take the risk.

0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>And the top thirty. I think once you've gotten the

0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.600
<v Speaker 2>top thirty, you've got your master start, you've got your

0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:44.640
<v Speaker 2>major starts, you're locked up, you've got your extra money. Like,

0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:47.920
<v Speaker 2>top thirty is a great year. Whatever happens, you know,

0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:50.240
<v Speaker 2>regardless of who you are finishing in the top thirty,

0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 2>it's always everyone on tour is happy when they make

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the Tour Championship. Yeah, you could probably get a little

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 2>bit more aggressive in the last event, but they've tried

0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to do that this year. They know that just a

0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:02.040
<v Speaker 2>straight seventy two whole stroke player with like that points

0:59:02.120 --> 0:59:06.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of that it wasn't working exactly how they wanted,

0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 2>so they've changed. I actually think they're doing all right

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:11.680
<v Speaker 2>because they're trying a few different things without like if

0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:14.360
<v Speaker 2>they go too aggressive and it's a disaster, you know,

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of risky, Right, They've got a pretty good

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:20.120
<v Speaker 2>thing what they've got, So yeah, this will be interesting.

0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:22.240
<v Speaker 2>This is a weird one. This is weird, like people

0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:26.560
<v Speaker 2>starting off for seventy two on different scores like handicapped

0:59:26.600 --> 0:59:32.280
<v Speaker 2>golf in pros kind of thing, like different ten shot

0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 2>lead over other guys. That's crazy.

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 1>You definitely have to apply to them for doing They're

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:39.400
<v Speaker 1>doing something drastically different.

0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look this, all these things that they do,

0:59:43.560 --> 0:59:47.120
<v Speaker 2>they have numbers and stats guys who run every single

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 2>possible scenario and they end up with it works. Then,

0:59:53.680 --> 0:59:57.560
<v Speaker 2>as I said, they laid this, they showed us all

0:59:57.560 --> 1:00:00.200
<v Speaker 2>the numbers, they laid this format down on top of this.

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<v Speaker 2>If we'd started all the last previous ten of these

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<v Speaker 2>like this, this is how they would have gone. And

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of went the right way, every single one

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<v Speaker 2>of them. Like statistically, now, I know you can't really

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<v Speaker 2>do that because no one was playing it with that mindset,

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<v Speaker 2>but statistically they they come up with a model that

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers tell them will work. Yeah, so we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like my big beef with it is like last

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<v Speaker 1>year we wouldn't have gotten Tigers went. Tiger wouldn't have won,

1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:34.040
<v Speaker 1>justin Rose would have won, and that that's like sad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be interesting to see if by sun

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<v Speaker 2>Sea on Thursday, it's gonna be odd, right because everyone's

1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:42.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna be on different scores. But by Sunday it will

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<v Speaker 2>have shaken out and everyone's in the it's a level

1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:48.960
<v Speaker 2>playing field after you've started, right, like and if the

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<v Speaker 2>guy you started off number one is having a bad

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<v Speaker 2>week or he's having a great week, like and Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>is everyone going to remember that we started like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it just going to be for is it

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<v Speaker 2>just going to be eight and whole Sunday again? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the guy that's thirty is going to feel like

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<v Speaker 1>he pumped three ob on the first d Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like ten back, Like, how's that ten back on

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<v Speaker 2>the first But if but if fifty four hours later,

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<v Speaker 2>like the whole thing shapes out and everyone kind of

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<v Speaker 2>balances out and we just have a normal leaderboard on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>then people might forget that there was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>handicapping at the start.

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<v Speaker 1>I and I don't think you should be able to

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<v Speaker 1>call like whoever wins the tour champion.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was the big argument and from the pack,

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<v Speaker 2>the big argument from the pack was if the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who shoulds the seventy two lower shots for that week

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<v Speaker 2>should win the Tour Championship. You know, you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to win a tour event based on something you

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<v Speaker 2>did in a different event, you know, or other events.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the Tour events a three is it Tour

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<v Speaker 1>Championships three year exemption?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that I think it's three. Used to

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<v Speaker 2>be five. I think it's three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah to me, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's certainly see that. I think another one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that's kind of held them back from maybe being

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more aggressive is the fact that the Tour

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<v Speaker 2>Championship is such a historic event and they want the

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<v Speaker 2>Tour Championship to be the Tour Championship and not kind

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<v Speaker 2>of mess up that tradition. And if you start getting

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<v Speaker 2>weird with match plays and knockouts and shootouts, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the Tour Championship anymore, and it's they've got the players,

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<v Speaker 2>the Tour Championship, the Tournament of champions you know, they've

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<v Speaker 2>got that kind of higher level of event that they

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<v Speaker 2>like to that have been historic and been around a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. They kind of like to preserve that. So

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of holds them back to But this one

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<v Speaker 2>is a bit weird, you're right. I mean, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you become tour championship if you started in front of

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<v Speaker 2>someone else but they beat you for the seventy two holes,

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<v Speaker 2>but you beat them for the trophy? A weird. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a club comp though it's like the member gainst.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just crazy because like you could have Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Speith who gets into the church, like you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like seventieth and FedEx Cup right now, I think, But

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<v Speaker 1>he gets into the tournament, he's you know, thirtieth on

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<v Speaker 1>that on that number. He gets in on the number

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<v Speaker 1>and he win. He beats say it's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>say it's Brooks. He beats Brooks by eight shots the

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<v Speaker 1>week and Brooks as the tour champion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's something wrong with that. But again, they ran

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<v Speaker 2>all these numbers and they don't think that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>That's but I mean, may it'll go well, it's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. If it doesn't go well, it'll it'll change

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<v Speaker 1>quickly out is my cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you think the one, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the FedEx Cup is going to be strong

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, and I think they kind of know

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing this WGC. They're playing this week as

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be fraught with issues for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, especially if they're going to back it up

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<v Speaker 2>after the Open. That's it. And look, as I said before,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just playing golf for a living. It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>real job. It's all good, but you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>get the performance out of guys after they just got

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<v Speaker 2>battered around port Rush for four days. They're going to

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<v Speaker 2>fly to one hundred and one hundred in Memphis and

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<v Speaker 2>they're just heads. A lot of their heads are just

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be in the game, you know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just not going to get the performance. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's look, you're paying these guys a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it's fair that they whine and say,

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<v Speaker 2>don't give me ten million this week, give it to

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<v Speaker 2>me next week. Well they give me, I've got to

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<v Speaker 2>sit on the beach for a week. I don't buy

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<v Speaker 2>that argument at all. But you're not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>the performance out of guys because they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>Jaden flat. You know, That's what I feel. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>but especially at the end of this summer. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these guys I played eight in the

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<v Speaker 2>last ten weeks, and four of them were majors. And

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<v Speaker 2>now they've got a WGC and they've got to take

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<v Speaker 2>one week off and play FedEx Cup playoffs and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and next year the Olympics. I mean, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty relentless, and you end up the standard of golf

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<v Speaker 2>will go down. That's that's not I don't think it

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<v Speaker 2>matters about us players being precious and getting tired. That's

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<v Speaker 2>on us. We chose this job. But the standard of

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<v Speaker 2>golf will go down if you overplay these guys in

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<v Speaker 2>big tournaments, and they'll start pulling out of these WGCs

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<v Speaker 2>because they'll prioritize other things, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it's I think having traveled a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for work before I started this, and I travel a

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<v Speaker 1>lot for this. Is like you know when when you

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<v Speaker 1>travel like four street week through your job, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyable and like it takes it like a toll on you.

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<v Speaker 1>And you definitely like even as an office worker job

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<v Speaker 1>like you you're not going to work as well as

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<v Speaker 1>if you're well rested in at home.

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<v Speaker 2>No that's the thing to me. I mean, and everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody grinds at their job and like has parts

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<v Speaker 2>of it that I don't love, but like it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you want people to do it well when they

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<v Speaker 2>do it right, that's the thing. I mean. Maybe this

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<v Speaker 2>will change how they train. Maybe there'll be attrition, Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be less people play earlier in the year. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that run, there'll be more people pull out of some

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<v Speaker 2>tournaments in May, like between the masses in the US Open,

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<v Speaker 2>may take more time off in that period. Maybe more

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<v Speaker 2>guys will not play between the two Opens. You'll get

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<v Speaker 2>attrition somewhere else, or you'll just get the standard of

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<v Speaker 2>golf coming down. And that's when you get guys getting

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<v Speaker 2>headless and snapping clubs over the knees and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Really because they're just like twisted because they've been in

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<v Speaker 2>four different countries in three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's tough, what and you're adjusting. Yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, but yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean climate support rush, I mean Northern Ireland to Memphis.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't emphasize enough how big a climate change that

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<v Speaker 2>is fifty degrees glober warming in a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Swap hoss invitation oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a cool course, it's a good cause, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great like it's a great it's always been

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<v Speaker 2>a good community. They love it because it supports the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's absolutely nothing wrong with FedEx having their tournament there.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's the wrong date. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know they have it in the spring. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>put it in the spring when we used to play

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<v Speaker 2>Memphis way back when it was the week before the

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<v Speaker 2>US Open. It was already too hot. Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 2>could bang it this, but when do you put it

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<v Speaker 2>in the spring. You got the you got the PGA there.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you've got Memorial, you got Colonial, You've got the Nelson,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got I mean, you've got good stuff everywhere now,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's I'll give it to the tour. That tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>The tour is getting deeper and stronger and more good tournaments.

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<v Speaker 2>And mean it's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's ah. I think. Well, I'm curious. I've I've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing a bunch of research on like the forming of

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<v Speaker 1>the WGCs. Did you play in the mash play at

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<v Speaker 1>Metropolitan the one year they have.

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<v Speaker 2>It there, No, that went down about nearly went to

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<v Speaker 2>one hundredth in the world, so top sixty four and

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<v Speaker 2>normally it goes to what's sixty five, right, someone's injured

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<v Speaker 2>or someone's wife's having about you or something, and like

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<v Speaker 2>number sixty five gets in that year, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>ninety eight got in because no one wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>down and uh, the PF folk you got to the fight?

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<v Speaker 2>Did PF folky whin that Steve Stricker be in the

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<v Speaker 2>final or something? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't happen event in front of me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the whole intention.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't in that.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole intention of the WGC to me, like, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a perfect example of it, Like you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to Memphis for a World Golf Championship right after

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<v Speaker 1>you played in Northern Ireland. It doesn't make much sense,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and like the whole intention, Like I've been

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<v Speaker 1>reading about Norman and his World Tour and all what

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted and how the idea kind of spawned from that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just seems so such a far you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know FedEx is the biggest sponsor, so you

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<v Speaker 1>know they got to take care of them. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is the furthest thing from what was intended when the

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<v Speaker 1>World Golf Championships started.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, and like the two the idea was, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get the top fifty or the top one hundred guys

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<v Speaker 2>in the world, or that Echelona players together more often

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<v Speaker 2>around the world. Like that's the spirit of it. But they,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the conspiracy theorists would say when they put

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<v Speaker 2>it outside of America, they put it, they put the

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<v Speaker 2>match play in Australia, so it just wouldn't work. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was like the first week in January or something,

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<v Speaker 2>so nobody wanted to go, and they like they just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of made it. So it ended up just bigger

1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:21.000
<v Speaker 2>versions of you regular two events. It's hard though, and

1:09:21.120 --> 1:09:24.519
<v Speaker 2>as I said, because it's like it's the only way

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<v Speaker 2>it really works is if you create a layer of

1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:32.240
<v Speaker 2>tournaments above the normal ones, and that's just fraught with

1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:36.959
<v Speaker 2>so many complicated situations and exemptions and egos and sponsors,

1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:39.720
<v Speaker 2>and now sponsors are like, well, why don't I why

1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:41.759
<v Speaker 2>don't we get the three year exemption for our tournament

1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:43.479
<v Speaker 2>only get the two year exemption. We put almost as

1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:45.640
<v Speaker 2>much money in a ZAM and it's just really it's

1:09:45.680 --> 1:09:47.599
<v Speaker 2>a can of worm. So it's just ended up being

1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:51.160
<v Speaker 2>regular tour events really although be it they were in

1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Mexico City, which is pretty good. That's a cool That's

1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:55.880
<v Speaker 2>what it's about, right, that that one is actually great.

1:09:56.000 --> 1:09:59.479
<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know, it's a difficult thing. And

1:09:59.600 --> 1:10:04.400
<v Speaker 2>this there's philosophically obviously, everybody thinks it'd be great to

1:10:04.479 --> 1:10:06.679
<v Speaker 2>have ten or twelve tournaments around the world, really high

1:10:06.760 --> 1:10:12.280
<v Speaker 2>end tournament. Yeah, tournaments like Memorial or like what Akron

1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:15.920
<v Speaker 2>used to be, Riviera Place, like the really premium to

1:10:16.040 --> 1:10:18.360
<v Speaker 2>the Wentworth Tournament in the UK, I mean, the austral

1:10:18.439 --> 1:10:20.760
<v Speaker 2>And Open, like maybe the Japan Open, or I mean,

1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:23.479
<v Speaker 2>it'd be brilliant to have like that kind of Tennessee

1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:25.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of feel about the big events. But you've got

1:10:26.040 --> 1:10:28.840
<v Speaker 2>to align so many people and so much stuff and

1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:31.800
<v Speaker 2>just to get all that worked out, and you're putting

1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:34.280
<v Speaker 2>players noses at a joint and sponsors noses at a

1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:36.920
<v Speaker 2>joint and golf you're going to you're going to connect

1:10:36.960 --> 1:10:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the golf associations with the professional association. I mean, it's

1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:43.679
<v Speaker 2>just it's logistically or like just doesn't happen.

1:10:43.800 --> 1:10:47.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the other tough thing is that if you're

1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:50.040
<v Speaker 1>going to Australia or Japan, it's like it's like a

1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:52.679
<v Speaker 1>three week trip essentially.

1:10:54.439 --> 1:10:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Kind yeah, it's it is a big trip. Like this

1:10:58.280 --> 1:11:00.559
<v Speaker 2>is a perfect example, like this schedule have had two

1:11:00.600 --> 1:11:05.479
<v Speaker 2>weeks port rush to Memphis that if you have that regularly,

1:11:06.800 --> 1:11:09.040
<v Speaker 2>guys are just not going to do it. The regular too,

1:11:09.160 --> 1:11:11.840
<v Speaker 2>is just too good. You can live in Florida or

1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:14.479
<v Speaker 2>Arizona or Texas. You can go three hours from your

1:11:14.520 --> 1:11:16.360
<v Speaker 2>home twenty five times a year and play for eight

1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:19.320
<v Speaker 2>million bucks seven million bucks. Why am I going to Japan?

1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:21.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? Why am I going to Australia?

1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Like you just why would you? Like you wouldn't because

1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:28.920
<v Speaker 2>it's too it's too good. Like whereas the LPGA, those

1:11:28.960 --> 1:11:32.680
<v Speaker 2>girls travel, they go everywhere because they kind of have to, right,

1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:35.040
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna play when there's a tournament on, they go play.

1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:36.920
<v Speaker 2>We've got choices, We've got lots of If I don't

1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:40.040
<v Speaker 2>play this week in Japan, I'll just play next week

1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:41.840
<v Speaker 2>in Greensboro or something, you know. I mean, it's like

1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:46.800
<v Speaker 2>there's there's too many good tournaments in the US, which

1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:49.320
<v Speaker 2>is a great thing, which is actually a testament to

1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the tour of it. That just makes it hard because

1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:53.840
<v Speaker 2>to get to a level above that. It takes a

1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:56.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of money and a lot of organization. There's still

1:11:56.880 --> 1:11:58.559
<v Speaker 2>people who are trying to do it though, there's still

1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:01.479
<v Speaker 2>there's there's part ofganizations out there who are trying to

1:12:02.240 --> 1:12:05.439
<v Speaker 2>like capture a world tour. It's really hard to it's

1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:06.280
<v Speaker 2>really hard to pull off.

1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:10.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it would be cool, but yeah, and the problem.

1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:12.880
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that you run into is if you

1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:18.600
<v Speaker 1>succeed and you get that, every other smaller tour event suffers.

1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:25.559
<v Speaker 2>That's the problem, right, that's the problem with these other

1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:29.040
<v Speaker 2>events stuff. And nobody watches Reno this week, right, like

1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:31.559
<v Speaker 2>they never have. It's a great tournament.

1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:32.479
<v Speaker 1>Speak for yourselves.

1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:35.559
<v Speaker 2>You know. I love Rena. I won there. I think

1:12:35.560 --> 1:12:37.880
<v Speaker 2>it's the midplace. It's one of my favorite tournaments off

1:12:38.000 --> 1:12:40.519
<v Speaker 2>the whole PGA tour, for like the course, the venue,

1:12:40.600 --> 1:12:42.840
<v Speaker 2>how cruizy the week is, how nice the weather is.

1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:47.840
<v Speaker 2>But when the top fifty you're playing somewhere else, most

1:12:47.920 --> 1:12:50.360
<v Speaker 2>people are going to watch that. So if you have that,

1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:54.080
<v Speaker 2>if you don't want to get rid of events, which

1:12:54.160 --> 1:12:56.559
<v Speaker 2>is kind of unfair on the rank and file guys,

1:12:56.720 --> 1:13:01.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, and just have WCS eight weeks a year

1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:03.320
<v Speaker 2>around the world and have no tournaments that same week.

1:13:03.800 --> 1:13:04.600
<v Speaker 2>That's not right, is it.

1:13:05.760 --> 1:13:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's a hard one. It's a really

1:13:08.880 --> 1:13:09.240
<v Speaker 2>hard one.

1:13:09.320 --> 1:13:12.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a good question too. It's like it's like, could

1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:19.000
<v Speaker 1>could you survive? Could could the PGA Tour and Web

1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Tour become like the bottom and top half become more

1:13:24.360 --> 1:13:29.920
<v Speaker 1>flexible and then you have these elevated events once a

1:13:30.040 --> 1:13:33.880
<v Speaker 1>month or you know, a little more than once a.

1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:37.479
<v Speaker 2>Month already do. I thought an interesting idea would be

1:13:37.560 --> 1:13:41.960
<v Speaker 2>to make the where well, the corn Ferry Tour and

1:13:42.040 --> 1:13:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour, like everybody's got the same exemption from

1:13:45.120 --> 1:13:47.800
<v Speaker 2>number one down Brooks is number one, number one twenty

1:13:47.840 --> 1:13:49.479
<v Speaker 2>five in the money is one twenty five. Then you

1:13:49.560 --> 1:13:51.360
<v Speaker 2>get the fifty in from the Web or whatever. But

1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:53.519
<v Speaker 2>everybody's got a number down to about four or five

1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:55.920
<v Speaker 2>hundred year exemption. And you have two events every week,

1:13:56.400 --> 1:13:58.880
<v Speaker 2>just like this week we have Memphis and Reno. Every

1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:02.720
<v Speaker 2>week you have they're all PGA two events. The corn

1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Ferry Tour is now just the PGA Tour. Everything is

1:14:04.840 --> 1:14:06.920
<v Speaker 2>a PJU to and you just have Tier one and

1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Tier two events. You know, maybe you have premium tier

1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:11.240
<v Speaker 2>events and you can have multiple events in a week

1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:16.200
<v Speaker 2>that and then you might get some web traditional web

1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:18.439
<v Speaker 2>corn Ferry type sponsors who are ready to kind of

1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:21.040
<v Speaker 2>step up there, spend and like go from a two

1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:23.200
<v Speaker 2>million dollar tournament to a four million dollar tournament because

1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:26.519
<v Speaker 2>like that's they've always wanted to. They don't really want

1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:28.200
<v Speaker 2>to get to like the full PGR toolet but they

1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:29.519
<v Speaker 2>might want to go up a little bit, you know,

1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and there might be some PGR two events just like

1:14:31.320 --> 1:14:32.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'd rather just can I just back

1:14:32.960 --> 1:14:34.320
<v Speaker 2>this off and just have like a little bit of

1:14:34.320 --> 1:14:37.800
<v Speaker 2>a smaller event And if you're in you just have

1:14:37.960 --> 1:14:39.840
<v Speaker 2>to play as a player. You have to play the event,

1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the highest event that you're exempt into that week, and

1:14:42.120 --> 1:14:44.040
<v Speaker 2>if you don't get into the WGC or the big one,

1:14:44.080 --> 1:14:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you get into the one underneath, like this week. If

1:14:45.880 --> 1:14:47.599
<v Speaker 2>you don't get into Memphis, you just go to Reno

1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and it would have two events.

1:14:49.640 --> 1:14:52.600
<v Speaker 1>It would solve the issue of like say you're a

1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:55.840
<v Speaker 1>tour rookie or a guy that's low on the list

1:14:55.920 --> 1:14:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and you get a bad start to the year and

1:14:58.080 --> 1:14:59.880
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden you can't play for two months.

1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:05.000
<v Speaker 1>That's like the thing that killed in right now. There

1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:08.960
<v Speaker 1>are two. I was talking about this with Brendan poor Eth,

1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:13.760
<v Speaker 1>and the shotgun start is like if you right now

1:15:13.880 --> 1:15:18.280
<v Speaker 1>they have same ownership, but they use two different currencies

1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:23.880
<v Speaker 1>with points hmm, like the tour owns five tours, all

1:15:23.880 --> 1:15:25.439
<v Speaker 1>of which use a different currency.

1:15:26.960 --> 1:15:29.840
<v Speaker 2>You could certainly combine the money lists or point lists

1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:35.080
<v Speaker 2>and just have bigger or smaller events and the one

1:15:35.240 --> 1:15:37.679
<v Speaker 2>twenty five line and all those sort of things would change,

1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:39.840
<v Speaker 2>but there would be kind of like benchmark position. You

1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:41.519
<v Speaker 2>still have FedEx Cup playoffs on that and if you

1:15:41.560 --> 1:15:43.240
<v Speaker 2>were two hundred and sixtieth on the list, if you

1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:46.280
<v Speaker 2>finish two hundred and sixtieth on the list, where you're

1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:48.040
<v Speaker 2>just not going to get into those top twenty or

1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:50.000
<v Speaker 2>thirty events, but you're going to get into the next

1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:52.840
<v Speaker 2>thirty events, and you've got a realistic and if you

1:15:52.920 --> 1:15:55.160
<v Speaker 2>win a Tier too event, you get a one year exemption,

1:15:55.240 --> 1:15:56.559
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden you're up in the big ones.

1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:58.040
<v Speaker 2>You win a Tier one event, you get the two

1:15:58.080 --> 1:16:01.400
<v Speaker 2>year exemption. Like, I don't know, if you combine them,

1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:05.360
<v Speaker 2>maybe you could have a more interesting kind of it

1:16:05.360 --> 1:16:07.400
<v Speaker 2>would be a better deal for the guys down the bottom,

1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like a better pathway up and it would allow your

1:16:10.520 --> 1:16:13.360
<v Speaker 2>room to create events on top of events you've already got.

1:16:14.080 --> 1:16:16.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, it would create like that free flow, and

1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:21.479
<v Speaker 1>it would let like when somebody's struggling, they wouldn't. It

1:16:21.520 --> 1:16:25.719
<v Speaker 1>would actually, I think, help the struggling PGA Tour player

1:16:26.120 --> 1:16:30.599
<v Speaker 1>because he wouldn't he would have somewhere to play. M hm,

1:16:30.920 --> 1:16:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it it would really help. And then

1:16:33.320 --> 1:16:38.680
<v Speaker 1>say like this kid, Christopher Ventura, he just he's won

1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:43.080
<v Speaker 1>two Web events in three weeks, like he'd be playing

1:16:43.439 --> 1:16:44.720
<v Speaker 1>up high.

1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah he would. And the guys who'd been struggling,

1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:53.479
<v Speaker 2>who'd started with their card this year and it were

1:16:53.560 --> 1:16:55.439
<v Speaker 2>really really battling. I mean they might be now not

1:16:55.640 --> 1:16:58.040
<v Speaker 2>they might be like drifting down and not getting into

1:16:58.120 --> 1:17:03.040
<v Speaker 2>like some bigger ones. It's an interesting I think. I

1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:07.920
<v Speaker 2>think there's more room the gap between the Web corn Ferry,

1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:12.320
<v Speaker 2>the corn Ferry Tour money wise and exemption wise and

1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:14.880
<v Speaker 2>all that. The gap between that and the PGA Tour

1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:19.320
<v Speaker 2>is too big. It's a massive jay. I mean, it's

1:17:19.439 --> 1:17:23.800
<v Speaker 2>just it's almost it's not a money losing proposition the Web,

1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:25.720
<v Speaker 2>but it's close. I think it is.

1:17:26.120 --> 1:17:28.880
<v Speaker 1>It is a money like the guy that makes this

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth, like they're barely covering expenses.

1:17:32.520 --> 1:17:34.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's Bordlin and that's not fair. I just

1:17:34.439 --> 1:17:36.479
<v Speaker 2>think there's more money, and there's a little bit more

1:17:36.520 --> 1:17:38.160
<v Speaker 2>money in golf than that, And I think there'd be

1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:42.080
<v Speaker 2>a way to create a better secondary tour which would

1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:45.920
<v Speaker 2>allow your room to maybe put some really premium stuff

1:17:45.960 --> 1:17:48.559
<v Speaker 2>on top of the big one, you know, I think

1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it would be not that there isn't premium stuff, you

1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:52.639
<v Speaker 2>know that world too. You'd have a bit more room

1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:54.160
<v Speaker 2>if you've got if every one of your members has

1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:56.240
<v Speaker 2>got somewhere to play that week for a reasonable amount,

1:17:56.880 --> 1:18:00.360
<v Speaker 2>then they don't really mind if the top fifty go

1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:02.240
<v Speaker 2>off and make ten million somewhere else because I got

1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:05.800
<v Speaker 2>three million to play for and like Chicago that way

1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:10.599
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, you know, and maybe it's well.

1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:14.639
<v Speaker 1>The other thing is that now that the PGA Tour

1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:19.400
<v Speaker 1>owns Canada and Latin America, it gives them like essentially

1:18:19.479 --> 1:18:24.360
<v Speaker 1>a new funnel in m H. Like that's the piece

1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:26.880
<v Speaker 1>that they hadn't had for so many years, was now

1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:31.439
<v Speaker 1>that they now they owned two more supplemental tours, and

1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:32.280
<v Speaker 1>they own China.

1:18:33.080 --> 1:18:35.280
<v Speaker 2>They owned all the pathways to get on the page

1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:36.160
<v Speaker 2>a tour pretty.

1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Much, but none of them allow for movement, Like they

1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:42.160
<v Speaker 1>all operate in their own entity.

1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:46.479
<v Speaker 2>The movement is difficult. Like it's a pretty I mean

1:18:46.760 --> 1:18:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the Latin America and the Canadian Tour, which those guys

1:18:49.840 --> 1:18:53.000
<v Speaker 2>can play. They're really good. I just haven't had an

1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:54.840
<v Speaker 2>opportunity yet. And they're all young and they're okay. I

1:18:54.920 --> 1:18:57.880
<v Speaker 2>mean it's top five for a whole year, gets a

1:18:58.040 --> 1:19:02.000
<v Speaker 2>chance to play web dot Com. I mean, that's five

1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:04.160
<v Speaker 2>on the money list. It's really high. That's so you

1:19:04.200 --> 1:19:07.080
<v Speaker 2>can finish sixth on Canada, sixth on Latin American a year,

1:19:07.160 --> 1:19:09.320
<v Speaker 2>probably lose money for a year, and you've got nothing

1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:09.880
<v Speaker 2>to show for it.

1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing is is that top five is

1:19:13.280 --> 1:19:15.439
<v Speaker 1>just conditional too, it's not even full.

1:19:17.160 --> 1:19:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's tough. It's I don't know. I mean we're

1:19:22.000 --> 1:19:24.679
<v Speaker 2>trying to you're trying to if you're trying to please

1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the golf fan to give him great golf tournaments, but

1:19:29.960 --> 1:19:32.800
<v Speaker 2>you're just trying to capture the the best way to

1:19:33.800 --> 1:19:35.800
<v Speaker 2>have the most people have this job and enjoy it,

1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:38.839
<v Speaker 2>right and like, and there's a lot of small market's

1:19:38.840 --> 1:19:40.719
<v Speaker 2>not just for the players. There's there's lots of small

1:19:40.800 --> 1:19:43.840
<v Speaker 2>markets that just can't have PGA two events, but they

1:19:43.880 --> 1:19:45.960
<v Speaker 2>could have a lower level to PG to event and

1:19:46.000 --> 1:19:48.719
<v Speaker 2>they probably would. You know. I mean, how many great

1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:51.880
<v Speaker 2>little four or five hundred, six hundred thousand people towns

1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:54.320
<v Speaker 2>are there in America with good golf courses. They're everywhere,

1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:54.880
<v Speaker 2>you know.

1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like Cedar Rappers Iowa.

1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:00.719
<v Speaker 2>That's I think about the price at the price point

1:20:00.720 --> 1:20:02.640
<v Speaker 2>of twelve million dollar ask. You can't do that in

1:20:02.720 --> 1:20:04.400
<v Speaker 2>seat of rapids. But if it was a four million

1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:06.560
<v Speaker 2>dollarsk or something, well maybe you can. You know. I

1:20:06.640 --> 1:20:10.519
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like, yeah, maybe you can't. I mean, there's

1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:13.040
<v Speaker 2>much smarter people than us working on stuff like this.

1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:18.080
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, all right, well we've we've covered, you know,

1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:23.439
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of topics and you know, we're very off course,

1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:27.920
<v Speaker 1>but until again, we got we got top Presidence Cup

1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:31.839
<v Speaker 1>one of these days. Yeah, you're let's do it, Assistant Captain.

1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:35.560
<v Speaker 1>We gotta hear what's going on with an international squad.

1:20:37.200 --> 1:20:39.599
<v Speaker 2>The inside the squad. I don't know my role because

1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I've been down here has been I've been going out

1:20:41.920 --> 1:20:43.800
<v Speaker 2>to Royal a little bit and I'm going to wander

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<v Speaker 2>around Royal with a few of the long time royal

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<v Speaker 2>members and see if we can find some sneaky pins

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<v Speaker 2>for our team. You know, it's kind of the program. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't narrow roll Melbourne down like you did Parish National,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't grow rough, but we might be able

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<v Speaker 2>to create a local knowledge advantage if we can kind

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<v Speaker 2>of teach how guys how to play it quicker. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think Tiger's been there a bunch to everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>how to play the course. So it'll be be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone down here is excited about it. I mean, Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>people love golf tournaments. They're like Chicago people, right, they

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<v Speaker 2>just turn up to big events. They just do So

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh, you know. One one trick if if Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>Reid makes the team is he always felt that the

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<v Speaker 1>tour was conspiring against him by putting right pins on Sundays.

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<v Speaker 2>So I work out all the shot shapes from everyone

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<v Speaker 2>and put all the pins on the wrong side for

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<v Speaker 2>the American.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, you know, just just do that, figure out

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<v Speaker 1>figure out their alternate shot teams and who's hitting the

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<v Speaker 1>pro shots and moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's we need our team needs to

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<v Speaker 2>win this tournament. Soon, otherwise it's going to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>get a bit boring. But yeah, it's fun to be

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<v Speaker 2>involved with such good fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, well we'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I cheered my That was good.