1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: episode is airing in sort of early mid June of 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. We're going to be talking about things 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: that are fun for the whole family. Maybe not many 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: things are fun for the whole family, but perhaps some 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: things are fun for the whole family. So we decided 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: we were going to give it a try. Sarah, when 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: this airs, are you guys done with school yet? Are 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: you into the summer? 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: We are, officially, as this comes out into the summer, 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: into what I would call quintyle three. The kids got 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: out of school about five days before this episode airs, 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: and we've already had our yearly celebratory tradition, which is 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: that they like to go to the melting pot at 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: the every end of the school year. We've tried to 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: get them to branch out, but no, this is like, no, 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: they want cheese, cheese and chocolate. 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: Cheese and chocolate. Wow, I get it. Many people like 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: cheese and chocolate. 29 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: And at this point it really does feel like a marker. 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: So I guess that's what we do at the end 31 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: of the school year. 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: What about you. Yeah, my kids actually go to the 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: seventeenth the Tuesday. They have a half day on Tuesday 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: the seventeenth, so that's and I know at least some 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: of them still have events on the sixteenth, so he 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: can't really bail out on that. That said, my senior 37 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Jasper has been done for weeks. They had their finals 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: the last week of April. Beginning of May. He's been 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: doing his senior project, which will also be done by 40 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: this point, but he's been working in a first grade 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: class and it's been kind of fun to have him 42 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: sort of manage that on his own, because he gets 43 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: up and goes to work and comes home from it 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: and the students call him mister Conway. So I love that. 45 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: I love that. That's amazing. 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: I feel like that's a significant senior project, like he's 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: really going on. 48 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: I think he could have done something a lot easier, 49 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: but he's doing this, and I'm glad because it's good 50 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: experience and working with a manager like the teacher is. 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: You know, he has to be there at time she 52 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: tells him and sort of they communicate back and forth 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: on what he needs to do. And yeah, I've been 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: glad to see it happen. We will have also just 55 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: had two graduations on the same day. Jasper's high school 56 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: graduation and Henry's preschool graduation are in fact on the 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: same day. Not at the same time, thankfully, but definitely 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: on the same day. So that will be fun for 59 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: feeling simultaneously old and young. 60 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: I wonder if you're gonna cry more at one or 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: the other. 62 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: I oh, no, we'll see, We'll see, but I will 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: report back. Wow. Yes. 64 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: Side note, This whole thing of seniors ending weeks before 65 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: the end of the year was not a thing when 66 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: I was a senior, and I really would have loved that, 67 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: So props to both public and private schools. It seems 68 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: like embracing this tradition of just letting them finish because 69 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: they're mentally done anyway. 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: They're mentally done anyway for sure, and yeah, showing up 71 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: would not really be all that fun at this point. 72 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: But this episode so fun for the whole family. Was 73 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: inspired by a listener who pointed out that this can 74 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: obviously get challenging as there is a wider age spread 75 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: of children, and we agree. We had some trouble making 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: this list. We're like, ooh, fun episode, and then we're like, hm, 77 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: we are always sensitive to what can be a full 78 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: episode and what will not have enough material. So maybe 79 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: this one was right on the line, right Sarah. 80 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Yes, but we're hoping, I mean, we're going to be 81 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: real about this and actually acknowledge that this is really 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: not easy. I think the thing that the wider the 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: age spread, and probably the more kids and personalities you 84 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: have in the mix, the harder it is. If you 85 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: have a set of twins, this is like you're like, 86 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: I don't need this episode at all, And if you 87 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: have like Laura's family, you're like, I actually have very 88 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: few solutions, but we're going to give you the best 89 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 2: that we can come up with, but also acknowledge some 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: of the challenges to maybe make you feel better when 91 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: you are not easily able to put together an entire 92 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: weekend of family fund on the regular. 93 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Sarah, your age spread right now? 94 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: Yes, so ours is seven to thirteen, about six years. 95 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and mine is eighteen to five, so a bit 96 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: of a spread. I also don't deman and that the 97 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: older kids usually do things. There are very few things 98 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: that are required for the whole family. There are a 99 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: few things, but not too many. But we'll start with 100 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: the category of sort of lower key activities like TV 101 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: and media. Sarah, are you guys well between seven and thirteen, 102 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: it feels like you should be able to come up 103 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: with a few things. Yes, and no. 104 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: You know, the things that interest the older kids are 105 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: not always appropriate for Genevieve. Now, our family is pretty 106 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: darn permissive about what we consider appropriate for anyone. I 107 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: might get in trouble for this, but like, we watched 108 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: Dirty Dancing the other day and it was awesome and 109 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: everyone kind of liked it. We did fast forward certain parts, 110 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: but it was just like too awkward. I'm like, no, 111 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: I cannot so, yeah, like you find these rare movies, 112 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: but Cameron has his own he likes action, and Annabel 113 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: is like completely turned off by anything in that realm, 114 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: So it's actually fairly challenging, but we really work hard 115 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: because it is fun when we can all sit there 116 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: together and we will spend a solid fifteen twenty minutes 117 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: trying to pick stuff out, watching previews in the hopes 118 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: to get something to work, and usually we can find 119 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: something recent hits. In addition to Dirty Dancing, which may 120 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: or may not be appropriate for. 121 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: Your values, Wicked Stick It. 122 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: Which is like a gymnastics movie, so that kind of 123 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: got all three kids because like the stunting kind of 124 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: side of things, and then certain reality stuff with baking 125 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: and cooking in particular, like Kids Baking Challenge or old 126 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: episodes of Chopped Junior. I also feel like if a 127 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: movie is somewhat new ish and they have like heard 128 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: of it from the theaters somehow, it just has more appeel. 129 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: I mean that probably is where Wicked came from. But 130 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 2: like also Disney movies, anything that was fairly recent rerun 131 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: and then dumped onto Disney Plus or Netflix, they're like, ooh, exciting, 132 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: and so we usually try to embrace those things. 133 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so movies are not fun for me if we're 134 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: trying to find things that are fun for the whole family. 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm not really a movie person, but my husband takes them, 136 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: and I will say that four out of five children 137 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: went to the Minecraft movie with him, and the other 138 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: one went with friends. So in theory that could have 139 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: been fun for the whole spread of family members. I 140 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I guess if I had gone, I would 141 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: have been like on my phone with headphones in the 142 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: back or something. I'm not really sure how that would 143 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: have played out to fund for the whole family. Are 144 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: adults included in that? Do your kids play video games together? 145 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: Well, not super often, but they know that's a loophole 146 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: when like, we're almost always going to say yes to 147 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: like video game time, so they're smart and if they're 148 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: like oh, parents are clearly like over us being on 149 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: our devices. Sometimes someone will pipe up and be like 150 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: can we all play like Mario Kart together? And we're 151 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: like sure, So I would say yeah sometimes, And I 152 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: think it's lovely when they all do it together, especially 153 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: if it's like the kind of multiplayer game where they 154 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: can all be fairly engaged. Obviously, Genevieve is not going 155 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: to play at the same level as the two older kids, 156 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: and honestly, Cameron probably can blow everyone else away with 157 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: most games. 158 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: Just because he plays more video games. 159 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, when they can do it, we embrace it, 160 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: and we do look for opportunities to, like for a 161 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: holiday gift, perhaps purchase a game that they might all 162 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: enjoy doing. 163 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes the kids have done Mario Kart together, are 164 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: various Roadblocks games together, not frequently, some combination of them 165 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: will sometimes play Fortnite together. But yeah, there's always the 166 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: different levels of skill. So you know, maybe people closer 167 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: in age could do that outdoor fun. How about outdoor fun, Sarah. 168 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the more open ended the better 169 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: for multiple age groups. Like when they were younger, of course, 170 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: going to the butterfly garden or something very specific worked 171 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: really well, But now it's more about finding an open 172 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: space where people can do their own thing a little 173 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: bit more. The beach is kind of timeless. I mean, 174 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: I enjoy the beach. I don't enjoy so in the ocean. 175 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: We all know that. 176 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: But I still enjoy going to the beach. And one 177 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: thing that can really change the vibe and make things 178 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: more enticing for older kids is the offer of bringing 179 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: a friend. 180 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: So I think we're going to talk about that a 181 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: little bit more later in the episode. 182 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: Okay, fine, well that's its own half. But I do 183 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: feel like just like open ended places playgrounds less so, 184 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: but like beach or just a big natural area where 185 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: everyone can kind of do their own thing. 186 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: A hike if there's a lot of snacks at snacks, 187 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: snacks are fun for the whole family. Family bike rides, 188 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: I will throw it out there. I don't know, we 189 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: may try doing this by the time this will have 190 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: aired over one of the weekends before this. You know, 191 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: especially if you have very young kids, they can go 192 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: in a burly or the sort of five year old 193 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: range can be in a tag along. It is kind 194 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: of a pain to get organized in our family. It 195 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: requires two cars. The bike rack like seven bikes. It's 196 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: really kind of a whole production. On the other hand, 197 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: it is something that everyone that can. You can also 198 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: do a more interesting hike. We found this one at 199 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: Hawk Mountain, which is about an hour north of us. 200 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: That is called the River of Rocks, and it just 201 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: tons and tons of rocks that you can climb over. 202 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: I feel like a hike needs to have some interesting 203 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: component to keep the kids into it, and like teenagers 204 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: might be into I don't know if you have to 205 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: like hold on to rails, crawling on a rock. But 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: of course then if you have little kids, they probably 207 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: have to be at a backpack for it. But it 208 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: can work if there's something that keeps everyone engaged. And 209 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,359 Speaker 1: I would say say ice skating is again there's a 210 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: stop on the youngest probably has to be about five 211 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: for this to be doable, but a wide range of 212 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: people can enjoy, say an outdoor ice skating rink in winter, 213 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: so that's worth a shut. We're going to take a 214 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: quick ad break and then we'll be back with more 215 00:10:53,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: on fun for the whole family. Well, we are back 216 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: talking fun for the whole family. Things that seem to 217 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: make everyone at least mildly amused, if not having full 218 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: on blissful fun. Sarah, what about food? Food categories that 219 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: are fun for the whole family. 220 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: I already mentioned snacks, but yeah, food's a big draw. 221 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: I mean, we all enjoy food, and especially if it's 222 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: something like fun food. So if we want to really 223 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: not have any complaints about doing something together, we will 224 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: suggest let's all go to get ice cream together, and 225 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden everyone wants to join in 226 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: the family fun Starbucks for us also works in that way, 227 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: and my kids actually kind of enjoy like restaurant meals, 228 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: some of them mostly because they're like I can get 229 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: a lemonade, and then others because they're interested in more 230 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: different cuisines and stuff. So people can enjoy that at 231 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: their own level. I will, of course note, if you're 232 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: listening to this and you have like an eighteen month 233 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: old and a three year old and to throw something 234 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: at the audio device that you're listening to, I get it. 235 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: There is definitely like a minimum age at which restaurant 236 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: and eating based excursions. Although your toddlers can still enjoy 237 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: ice cream, but that sit down restaurant experience is not 238 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: fun until you reach some sort of minimum age. In 239 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: my experience, that's around like five ish. 240 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I will admit that we allow the younger 241 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: kids to have devices for a restaurant meal because honestly, 242 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: then it makes it more pleasant to linger over it 243 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: for the others, and our older kids will talk with us. 244 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: And so given that the younger two at home would 245 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: have probably jumped up and gone somewhere else within a 246 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: few minutes, that kind of recreates that option, making it 247 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: more pleasant for a restaurant meal. So just throwing that 248 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: out there as an idea we don't. We tend not 249 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: to go out as like a regular thing just because 250 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: there are so many of us, but when we do 251 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: it on vacation, that's actually one of the things people 252 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: like the most. I will say that any sort of 253 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: active food at home can be fun for the whole family, 254 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: like fun do s'mores, make your own, pizza, make your own, 255 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, tacos, make your own? What do you do? 256 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: Do you do anything else other than those? We haven't 257 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: done a lot of make your own, but I see, yes, 258 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: that would be one. Yeah, oh yeah, sure, definitely in 259 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: the community. Now, I will say that some institutions, even 260 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: if you kind of think of them as being for 261 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: younger kids, may in fact have elements that are fun 262 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: for older people too. Like a good science museum, so 263 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: we have gone to whatever the flagship exhibit will be at, 264 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Like the Franklin Institute, they have rotated, like every four 265 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: months or so, they bring in something new, and so 266 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: we might go to that and then it's new, so 267 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: we can go see it and then go wander around. 268 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: And sometimes the older kids are fun to you know, 269 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: look at something that they haven't seen before, or you know, 270 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: visit something that they have in the past. And of 271 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: course little kids have lots of different entry points at 272 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: things too. When we were on vacation two years ago 273 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: and went to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, 274 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: I know for sure that everyone had something they enjoyed there. 275 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: So you know, if you've got any resource like that 276 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: a good aquarium, the little kids might enjoy seeing the fishies, 277 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: but the big kids are kind of like ooh, sharks, 278 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: you know, especially if it's the one where you can 279 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: like walk over the shark tank or something that can 280 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: be a bit more of a teen draw, especially if 281 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: they get Starbucks afterwards, or even the zoo like longtime 282 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: blog readers may recall that I was supposed to take 283 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: my older two sons to Scotland over Labor Day weekend 284 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: last year, and thanks to some United awfulness at Newark, 285 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: did not make it over to Europe. But when we 286 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: were trying to figure out what else we were going 287 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: to do with the weekend, we wound up at the 288 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: Bronx Zoo, which they had wanted to go to, like 289 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: that was something they both agreed on and they had 290 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: a really good time, Like you know, we're like looking 291 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: at lions and giraffes and snakes whatever else. And I 292 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: know for sure little kids would love a zoo, so 293 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: if again, a very good zoo could also be fun, 294 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: especially if you get them ice cream or. 295 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: And let's point out that's not even boring for adults, 296 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: you know, like adults are having their own good time. 297 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: They're outside in nice weather, maybe taking a walk, seeing 298 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: cool animals. That truly can be fun at every level. 299 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, some zoos even specifically have stuff that you know, 300 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: like they might have a beer garden. You never know. 301 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there could be all sorts of things that 302 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: are adult friendly at a zoo or an arcade. Maybe 303 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: mom and dad don't love the idea of an arcade, 304 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: although go karts can be kind of fun, but big 305 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: kids can like stuff like that, and the little kids 306 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: might enjoy doing ski ball or something else. And I 307 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: would say something like Dave and Busters, like if your 308 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: kids are old enough that you can let them wander around, 309 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: they do have bars, so you can sit there and 310 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: have a beer with your partner while your children wander 311 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: around playing video games, and that could be fun for 312 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: the whole family as well. 313 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: We are as. This is airing in New Hampshire and 314 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: one of the top destinations for every member of the 315 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: family except maybe me, is this giant place that has 316 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: all video games from like different eras. I can't tell 317 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: you how excited my husband is to play the video games. 318 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: So once again, this will be the whole family. And 319 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: I might just bring a book because that will be 320 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: really fun for me to kick back and relax while 321 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: everybody else is so occupied with their video games. 322 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could do that. On the Jersey Shore in 323 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: Asbury Park, there's a place called the silver Ball Museum, 324 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: which is a basically a giant arcade of pinball machines, 325 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: and that is another big hit for almost everyone. They 326 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: have stools so little people can also play the pinball 327 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: machines and you just pay a certain amount and they 328 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: go there for two hours. And yeah, that is something 329 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: that can be fun for the whole family as well. Shopping, Sarah, 330 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: that's something your family enjoys. 331 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 2: Shopping has been a fallback on those weekends where you 332 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: really just don't have much and maybe like the weather's 333 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: not that good, and then some kid will pipe up 334 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: and be like, can we go to Target and I'll 335 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: be like, you know, that doesn't sound too bad, and 336 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: then we can all go to Target and a little 337 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 2: kid could pick out a little toy. I can see 338 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: what planners are on display, and like just browse the 339 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: housewares and see if there's anything cool, and everyone's happy. 340 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: My kids can like spend their allowance, and you know, 341 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: I could see this working up to the eighteen age 342 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 2: group and down to like a three year old who 343 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: would just have fun picking out a lego set. Now, 344 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: obviously retail therapy is not everybody's favorite, but I think 345 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: you sparingly this can be a really nice way to 346 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: get everyone in the family to go on an outing together. 347 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: Well. And you can also look at sort of more 348 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: interesting retail opportunities, like a farmer's market or something. Right like, 349 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: there's often alongside the egg plant and corn or whatever 350 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: else they're selling, there's going to be selling like brownies, 351 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: and somebody else is going to be selling some weird 352 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: jam that some kid's going to get into, or homemade 353 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: root beer or whatever. So you know, if you just 354 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: give people ten bucks and say go to town, they'd probably 355 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: enjoy that. Or some sort of apple fest strawberry fest 356 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: agrarian type place with live music and activities like so 357 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: a teenager might be willing to listen to a reasonable 358 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: band that is there, especially again if there's you know, 359 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: ice cream, sodas whatever on offer, and then little kids 360 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: can go play on the hay bails and live experiences 361 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: in general. I would say a year and a half 362 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: ago I did manage to get all of the kids 363 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: to go to Disney on ice it. The tricks are cool. 364 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: For the older kids, I don't know that they want 365 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: to do it again and again. We've taken them to 366 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: the Rockets as well. They've enjoyed that. Or you could 367 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: like a g rated musical. I mean maybe Sarah doesn't 368 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: need the g rated for rated musical, biji rated a 369 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: musical something you know, like a Disney show on Broadway. 370 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: If there's a touring a Latin or Lion King or 371 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: Wicket or whatever that's come to your community, you could 372 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: probably take a wide range of young people to that. 373 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: A teenager would enjoy just the spectacle of it and 374 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: the music, and a little kid is like it's the 375 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: Lion King and. 376 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: A sports game too. Speaking of live events, we were 377 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: just talking about trying to get into Miami tickets, and 378 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: I think, oh, yeah, everyone wants to go for their 379 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 2: own reasons, but it'll be fun. 380 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let's talk a little bit the additional tips 381 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: that now I want Sarah to talk about the bring 382 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: a friend part. 383 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: Bring a friend is we really didn't employ that when 384 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: the kids were little, but currently, let's just say sometimes 385 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: we have one holdover, and that holdover can be very 386 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: much more agreeable if there is somebody their own age 387 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: on set outing like all of a sudden, it's like, oh, oh, okay, 388 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: well now that thing sounds fun because my friend has 389 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: buy in, and now it's cool kind of a thing. 390 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that can be a great trip, 391 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: especially if you have a car big enough to tote, 392 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: you know, multiple things. And the beauty of that is 393 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: that as you cultivate those relationships, if your kids stay friends, 394 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: then now if you actually need somewhere to let's say 395 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: the other kids want to do something and the kid 396 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: really doesn't want that, then maybe that kid can hang 397 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 2: out with her friends family for a day so I 398 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: can kind of pay dividends. We have definitely kind of 399 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: organically grown that kind of relationship with our neighbors, which 400 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: is the best because it's logistics free to organize an 401 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 2: impromptu sleepover or play date. 402 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's always wonderful when that works out. Trying 403 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: to get them to come up with ideas, now, this 404 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: is hard because especially young kids, they don't like google stuff, 405 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: and children may not have the sense of what is around. 406 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: But if you can have them at least help you. 407 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: Try to create a local list, right, so things that 408 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: are within about ninety minutes two hours of your house, 409 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: so you could reasonably do them on a weekend. My 410 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: guess is that no matter where you are, there is 411 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: something within two hours of you. It would be you'd 412 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: have to be pretty rustic for that not to be 413 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: the case. Then maybe you have beautiful things like nature 414 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: that are within two hours of you. So sit down 415 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: and make a list, because then that makes it a 416 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: little easier as you are planning your weekends or you 417 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: know what, we've got a staycation or something to say like, okay, 418 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: we should choose from that instead of you know, what 419 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: do you want to do? I don't want to do anything. 420 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm just sit here on my iPad And that's fine 421 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: for a while, but eventually you want to get people 422 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: out the door. One more quick thing before we take 423 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: another ad break, Sarah, what about teaming up? What is 424 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: this technique? 425 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that strategy is that sometimes everyone may not 426 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: want to do something like I don't know. One strategy 427 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: is like to have people pair up. For example, a 428 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: board game might be a little bit harder for the 429 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: youngest kid to do, but if everybody does pairs, then 430 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: that kid will feel included and will feel like they 431 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: can be on a team. Like That's kind of how 432 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: we've gotten certain games to work for our family. Chameleon 433 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: is one that's actually really fun for both kids and adults, 434 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: but Genevieve is like not totally able to like manage 435 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: it herself, so it works really really well if we 436 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: divide into teams. And another thing we've done in teams 437 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: actually more like with my in laws, is like if 438 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: we are doing some kind of make your own food 439 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: or that kind of prep project, like Okay, Genevieve, you're 440 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: helping me make this, Cameron, you're helping Dad make that, 441 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: and like, you know, everyone's kind of got their own team. 442 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: You're still doing something all together, but it's divided so 443 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: it's more manageable. 444 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: All right, we'll take one more quick ad break and 445 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: then we'll talk about trips that are fun for the 446 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: whole family. Well, we are back talking things that are 447 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: fun for the whole family. First, we've been talking more 448 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: about local activities, home based activities. Now, obviously you've probably 449 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: in many cases all going to go on vacation together. 450 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: So Sarah, what's been fun for you guys? 451 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: So people probably know we're going to say skiing. That's 452 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: been the kind of easiest crowd pleaser, and it can 453 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: even work when kids are too young to ski because 454 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: many ski resorts have nurseries. You just have to do 455 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: your homework and choose one that has the amenities that 456 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: you need. Is not the most budget friendly vacation, but man, 457 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: it is the one that has kind of like it's 458 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: been the most family fun enriched one that we've taken, 459 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: and so we've done it a few times now and 460 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: plan to continue. I also feel like a cruise can 461 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: be really great in terms of just having something for 462 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: many different age groups. We've done two Disney cruises, and 463 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 2: the first one we did when Genevieve was only like 464 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: a year and a half and the kids were like, yeah, 465 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: one and a half, five and seven, and it worked great. 466 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: And then we've also gone with the kids a little 467 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: bit older, so I can see how that spans lots 468 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: of age range. And the beauty of that is like 469 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: you can do things apart and then come together, and 470 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: then be apart and come together, et cetera. So yeah, 471 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: we've really enjoyed cruises for that for that reason. 472 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll second the skiing, and I don't ski, just 473 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: like I don't really watch movies. I guess I'm a 474 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: ton of fun really, but I didn't have to. When 475 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: all of us went in late March, we put Henry 476 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: in ski school and so he was able to have 477 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: instruction and he did really well with that. And then 478 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: the older kids skied with my husband and I kind 479 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: of hung out, went to the gym, took myself out 480 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: for lunch, picked up Henry at three o'clock. You know, 481 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: we went in the hot tub, we all went out 482 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: for dinner. It was just it's a good trip, right, 483 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: It's a good trip for all ages. And with that, 484 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, I've only been on one cruise. I'm not 485 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: a huge cruise person, but a resort is like a 486 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: land based version of the cruise, so you don't have 487 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: to be on a boat to get the concept, especially 488 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: ones that have a really good kids club. So we 489 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: recently went to Olani and Hawaii. They obviously have a 490 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: kid's club since it's a Disney property, but many others 491 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: do as well. We went to a place called Windjammer 492 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: in Saint Lucia, which I will throw out there. It 493 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: turned out to have a really quite appealing kids club. 494 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: At the time, Alex was four, so Jasper would have 495 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: been twelve. I think sometimes Jasper stayed home by himself, 496 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: but mostly the four of them would all go to 497 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: the kids' club. They all really enjoyed their offerings there, 498 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: and they had kind of cool things like horseback riding 499 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: or so it was a little bit more intense, like 500 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: that was a real draw versus like, no, we're just 501 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: sticking and you adhere in color for three hours while 502 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: mom and dad go do something. So yeah, that's you know, 503 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: and just a resort. The big kids can go swim 504 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: or go to the beach or hang out in the 505 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: room and little kids do their things. Theme parks, again, 506 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: the caveat the group doesn't have to stay together the 507 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: whole time. But if you've got a big theme park 508 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: that has like kiddie ride sections. Maybe it's not gonna 509 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: be a ton of fun for mom and dad, although 510 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: mom and dad can switch off, like you go to 511 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: the roller coaster while someone take the little kids on 512 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: something and then switch off again, and the big kids 513 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: can go wander around on their own and go to 514 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: whatever ridiculous roller coaster that your teenagers want to wait 515 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: in line for. 516 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had good luck at our last couple of 517 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: theme park trips. But and when you have a big 518 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 2: age spread, I think the splitting does make sense. 519 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and with that, our counterpoint on things being fun 520 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: for the whole family is even with trips, sometimes you 521 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: don't actually have to bring the whole family. 522 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: Yes, that's our punchline to this episode is like you 523 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: can try, and there's lots of things you can do, 524 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: and also sometimes you can just give up because it 525 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 2: can also be fun to have fun with parts of 526 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: the family. 527 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, in these days, I really rarely require my 528 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: older children to do stuff. They can stay home by themselves, 529 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: you know. Obviously, I and my oldest child as an adult, 530 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: I really can't make him do most of anything. I'm 531 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: totally willing to try to bribe people to come along 532 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, you know, we thought you might 533 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: like this, or we'll make sure to stop him entice entice, 534 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: But you know, so it may not be worth it 535 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: for that, or if you do a big kid focused activity, 536 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: might be worth getting child care for younger ones, because well, 537 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: you will have to attend to the younger one for 538 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, and especially if they are 539 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: not happy, that's going to detract from the experience for everyone. 540 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: So we have also traveled that way, so longtime listeners 541 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: know that when when we went to Norway in the 542 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: summer of twenty eight twenty three, we only took the 543 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: four older children and we left Henry with people caring 544 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: for him back in Pennsylvania, and he had a perfectly 545 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: good time. I don't think he missed out on the 546 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: experience of being on a plane for eight hours and 547 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: being horribly jet lagged, and then the rest of us 548 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: could actually experience the fun of Europe without that. So 549 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: throwing that out there as. 550 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: I do, I was thinking about the fact that, like, 551 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: when your older kids are totally out of the house 552 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: and you just have let's say Alex and Henry, they're 553 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: probably going to get to take trips with just you guys. 554 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: With you with a focus, And the truth is, it's 555 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: like it's kind of fair that you provided that for 556 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: the older kids too in a way, because again, if 557 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: Henry had been there, it would not have been the 558 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 2: same because like you wouldn't have been very present. So 559 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: it's kind of yeah, it's kind of like there is 560 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: a little bit of a symmetry there to make sure 561 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 2: that your older kids sometimes get experiences where they are 562 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: the focus, which can't always be true if you're chasing 563 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: around a taller Yeah. 564 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm traveling with Jasper in some upcoming weeks 565 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: on this and we're going to have a very different experience, 566 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure than if there were younger children. I'm planning 567 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: a trip with Sam for next spring break, and again 568 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: we can do totally different things than we would possibly 569 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: do if there were a six year old with us. 570 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's worth considering that as an option in it, 571 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, always our public service announcement with family trips, 572 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: the goal is some enjoyable moments because bliss the whole 573 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: time isn't possible, just as probably nothing is fun for 574 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: the whole family for the entire time either. 575 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: I don't think bliss the whole time is possible for life, yeah, 576 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: human nature given day. 577 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: Fallen nature of humanity. Yes, no it is not. But 578 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: oh will that's a philosophical matter for a different time. 579 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: Yes, so I might even say that's a good thing. 580 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: We will appreciate the bliss more if it's not constant, all. 581 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: Right, Q and A. 582 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: So this one is for Laura because I don't have 583 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: that much to offer, but she does. I am traveling 584 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: across time zones with kids for the first time. 585 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: What are your survival tips, Laura, Well, you've done three 586 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: hour time difference. It's not that you've never taken your 587 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: children out of your time zone. That's not like advanced though. 588 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: That is all we've done. 589 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: We've done three hours, and we have made the three 590 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: hours like more than three hours, because what invariably happens 591 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: is we go west, but not only to we go west, 592 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: but then we end up sleeping till ten am on 593 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: the west, so coming back is like a six hour adjustment. 594 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: Because we're idiots. Yeah, yeah, but that's all we've done. 595 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: We've never done Europe, we've never done Hawaii. So for us, 596 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: it's not that hard. Honestly, when they're excited and they're 597 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: like on vacation, they want to stay up anyway, so 598 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: we naturally fall into that rhythm going west and then 599 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: east you're forced. 600 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: Because you're back at school. 601 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: I think it would actually be harder if you didn't 602 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: have like a routine to come back to pretty quickly, 603 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: because then you might like drag out the kind of 604 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: like adjustment phase. But then I guess you could naturally 605 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: drag out the adjustment phase and it wouldn't matter. So 606 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: I feel like we need more tips on like longer. 607 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: And then also what happens when you go east, because 608 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: that seems more troublesome. 609 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I wish there was a good answer 610 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: to this, which is, I mean, you just need to 611 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: be prepared for some rough nights and you're going to 612 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: have to manage your energy with that in mind. As 613 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: Sarah was saying, going west is easier because you just 614 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: go to bed early and wake up early. And for 615 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: the most part, that's not a problem in life, is 616 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: to go to bed early and wake up early. And 617 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: especially when we went to Hawaii, I mean, the flight 618 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: out there was long enough that you're just kind of tired, 619 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: Like we had to wake up early in the morning 620 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: to get to Newark. Airport, Like, Henry did nap on 621 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: the plane, but that allowed him to then stay up 622 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: through dinner on the first day there, and I kind 623 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: of crashed before everyone so and then I woke up 624 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: at four am. But again, you're up at four am. 625 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: It's not the end of the world. Versus feeling like 626 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: you need to sleep till two pm. That's an entirely 627 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: different level of problem. So going east, I will just 628 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: report in case anyone is thinking of taking their small 629 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: children to Hawaii, that our first night home back from Hawaii, 630 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: Henry fell asleep at about five thirty pm in the afternoon. 631 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: I didn't discover him for a while. I was like, well, 632 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: maybe he'll just stay asleep. He did not stay asleep. 633 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: He woke up at midnight. He was awake until five am. 634 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: And this was after I did not sleep at all 635 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: on the plane on the way home, which was an 636 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: overnight flight, because I was taking care of him. So 637 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: in this case, we are thrilled that YouTube exists. We 638 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: are thrilled that our child is old enough to watch 639 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: YouTube without like trying to wander out of the house, 640 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: which the alarm was on. So if he had, you know, 641 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: I would have woken up and heard that, but I 642 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: put him on the computer. I'm like, go to town, child, 643 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: here is a yogurt. I am going up to sleep. 644 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: If you need me, you can know where I am. 645 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: I woke up I think twice in that midnight to 646 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: five window and went and checked on him. But for 647 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 1: the most part I did sleep during that. And then 648 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: the next day, of course, was challenging because he'd been 649 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: up from midnight to five. We had him sleep from 650 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: about five to nine and then got them up for 651 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: the day. There was some crabbiness, but I don't think 652 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: there's a good way around this. There isn't Like the 653 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: older children can take melotonin if they're having trouble falling asleep, 654 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: and that's something I would recommend, Like if you are 655 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: going east to Europe from the US, take melatonin with you. 656 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: Take chewa bowles. If you have twelve year olds who 657 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: aren't good at swallowing pills or something and they don't 658 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: take much. I mean, maybe this is bad medical advice. 659 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. You can tell me, but the problem 660 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: is the first night you'll sleep because you're tired. The 661 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: second night you will be up at two am. And 662 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: it's very frustrating. To not be able to fall asleep 663 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: till about five am or six am or something like that. 664 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: So taking half a melatonin in the middle of the 665 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: night and you get back to sleep and then you're 666 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: better for that. 667 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, melatonin, I mean it doesn't have big downsides. Some 668 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: people find that it doesn't help them stay asleep and 669 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: helps them fall asleep. Yeah, and then the other things. 670 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: If you use it too much, there can be like 671 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: a tachyphylaxis or resistance that developed. 672 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: But I think travel is a perfect yeah use case, yes, exactly, 673 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: So I will throw that out there as an idea. 674 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: But I think there's probably a lower limit on when 675 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: you're supposed to give it to children. So I have 676 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: not given it to like toddlers or anything like that. 677 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: And so I don't know that there is a good 678 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: answer re fault your physician. Consult your physician, exactly. So, yeah, 679 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: travel with kids. I think back to a very early 680 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: guest of ours, Henley Vescez, who is a travel entrepreneur, 681 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: and we had asked her for tips on traveling, you know, 682 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: flying with small children to make it more pleasant. She's like, 683 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: I wish there was a good answer to that. I 684 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: was like, well, there you go, there isn't. But it's 685 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: one of those things where you decide that it will 686 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: be worth it for your remembering self. And I'm glad 687 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: that we took a family vacation to Hawaii. Yes, I 688 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: was a little traumatized by the twenty four hours of 689 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: coming home, but that's in the past now and I 690 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: will probably never take a five year old to Hawaii again. 691 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: So there you go. Now I have done it. Maybe 692 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: you'll take your grandchild someday. I'll might take my grandchildren, 693 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: but then there will be multiple adults, and you probably 694 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: won't be my mean good point. One of my children 695 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: will be in charge of that five year old. 696 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: All right, well, love of the. 697 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: Week, I'm going to say bike riding. They're probably solo. 698 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: We will see. I may report back on the attempt 699 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: to bring seven people bike riding in a later episode. 700 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: But I love that I have an SUV and I 701 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: just full down the back seats and if I want 702 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: to go bike riding solo, I can just shove my 703 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: bike in the back, take it wherever, unload it. Very 704 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: easy and nice quick workout. And that's something different to 705 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: do during spring and summer and fall that I won't 706 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: do in the winter and so it'll has a bit 707 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: of a treat feel to it. 708 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: It does have a treat feel to it. I will 709 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: embrace bike riding as well, just because Genevieve now can 710 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: like ride very nicely and quick and it's actually like 711 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: pleasant to just ride around the neighborhood with her, Like 712 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 2: we did a fun ride to the pool the other 713 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 2: day and it's like downright pleasant. 714 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: So yay bike riding. 715 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: Ya shout out to Guardian because her bike came from 716 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 2: our wonderful previous sponsor and it's. 717 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: A great bike. Yeah, there we go. All right, Well, 718 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. We've been talking 719 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: about things that are fun for the whole family, or 720 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: at least for most of the family most of the time. 721 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: We will be back next week with more on making 722 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: work and life fit together. 723 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 724 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, 725 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 2: and you. 726 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 727 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 728 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life 729 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: work together.