1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Buck with you and Buck h Man. It feels like 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: we were just together a couple of hours ago because 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: we were just little Super Bowl half in posts there 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: at the NFL Network, and now we're back in as 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: we kind of digest everything that we saw. 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: We talked about it a lot last. 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Night, but were there any any any other takeaways top 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: of mind as you got home and kind of took 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: that whole thing in. 12 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 3: Well, based on me talking to my team to day 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: working out, I missed it. Evidently I missed a really 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: good halftime performance. 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: Bad Buddy. I didn't know highlights. 16 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: They're really excited about it, the young people were really 17 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 3: excited about it or whatever. But missing that part of it, 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 3: I would say with the game itself, DJ, I think 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 3: it was just another reminder of how hard it is 20 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: to win that game and how in most instances and 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: pretty much every instance that I can remember since being 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: in the business man, the best team typically wins. It 23 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: is rare that the more talented team that gets to 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: that point doesn't. 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: Win the game. 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: And I know I made the case for the Patriots 27 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 3: because when I kept looking at this game, I kept 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: reminiscing to two thousand and one when the Rams were 29 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: the greatest show on turf and they were able to 30 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: knock them off. But every time we talked, and every 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: time we did any kind of list where we're ranking 32 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: individual players, position groups or whatever, it was decidedly in 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 3: the Seahawks favor And as you outline before the game, 34 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: you talked about like the only way that they lose 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: this game is if they mess it up. Like they 36 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: don't have to do much to win it. They can 37 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: win it on points. You know, they have knockout power, 38 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: but they don't have to play a risky game to 39 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 3: win it. And what we saw play out is they're 40 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: very conservative and close to the vest until they got 41 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: a crack and when they need to deliver the knockout, 42 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: they did, but they didn't play out of pocket, and 43 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: the Patriots just had no answer for the overwhelming talent 44 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: and tactics. Then the Seattle Seahawks present it. 45 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like this Seattle is a better team, 46 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: no question. I thought they wouldin that game. I thought 47 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: they would. There was no way that New England will 48 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: be able to block them for four quarters. And you know, 49 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: when you look at these Super Bowls over the last decade, 50 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: usually that's the tell you got you got four guys 51 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: that can whip five guys, you're going to win. It's 52 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: just going to be hard to lose a ball game. 53 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: And I thought, though, Seattle from a game management strategy standpoint, 54 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: they they look like a team that really took in 55 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: especially the Houston game with New England, and took in 56 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: the Denver game and said they gave them those games like, 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: we are not doing that. We're not going to do it, 58 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: and we're going to take threes when we get We're 59 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: not going to pass up opportunities for threes because threes 60 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: are like sevens in this type of a game. 61 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: There are a lot of points. With a limited group 62 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: over there. 63 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: We got a dominant defense, We're not going to give 64 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: them short fields, and we're going to take points when 65 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: we can get them. I just keep adding them and 66 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: adding them and adding them. And I thought, look, Houston 67 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: turned the ball over a bunch and Denver, you know 68 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: they did not. They didn't take points on that a 69 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: chance to take points and they turned the ball over 70 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: like that. 71 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: That's it. You know, that's been a big part of 72 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's thing. 73 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 3: If you look at the Cito Seahawks, they were among 74 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: the least aggressive when it came to going for it 75 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: on fourth down in red zone situations. Now, part of 76 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: that is when you have a defense like they have 77 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: an understanding your team, I'm always going to take points 78 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: because I know the other team can really score, so 79 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: there's no need for me to be risky or out 80 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: of pocket when it comes to the decisions. But you 81 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: are right, they probably did a deep dive on those games. 82 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: In the playoffs. The Patriots offense hadn't played well. Drake Mann, 83 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: particularly as part of the group, hadn't played well. They 84 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: felt like there was a certain number that the Patriots 85 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: would have to get to to beat them. And once 86 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: they got into the game and they felt like they 87 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: had them under control. From a defensive standpoint, Denner's about 88 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: stacking enough threes until you got enough cushion to be 89 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: able to really dictate the terms, enforcing the Patriots to 90 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: play a certain way. 91 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: That the way that you wanted them to play. 92 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they executed flawlessly and there was some 93 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: takeaways I wanted to take from this game. Because you 94 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: can go to a zillion podcasts they are going to 95 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: break down the game a to z. But I wanted 96 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: to put our our scouting hats on, our personnel hats 97 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: on for a minute and kind of go through the 98 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: Seattle team of you know how this maybe informs what 99 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: the offseason looks like with free agency in the draft. 100 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: And it's always the case you always look at the 101 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: team that won the whole thing, You look at the 102 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: final four teams, but then you also look at the 103 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: team that's left standing at the end. So I jotted 104 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: down a couple things that I think if you're building 105 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: out a team that would this would look attractive to 106 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: you if you just watched that game last night. So here, 107 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: I'll give you a mind buck and tell me a 108 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: few if you think of any others. But and you 109 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: saw Mike mcdonald'say after the game, look, when we can 110 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: stop the run with two high shelves, it's going to 111 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: be tough. So I'm looking at that, going, Okay, well, 112 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: DT's that can play the run, and they've got them. 113 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: They've got four of them that they roll through there, 114 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: but especially the two they're two stars. Leonard Williams Byron Murphy. 115 00:04:59,600 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: Both. 116 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: You know they can rush the quarterback, you need to 117 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: do that, but this is they earned the pass rush 118 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: opportunities because they're dominant dts against the run. And I 119 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: start thinking, Okay, now, as we're stacking some of these guys, 120 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: and over the last few years, maybe the last decade, 121 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: I know I've done it. There's guys DT's that I've 122 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: pushed down a little bit because we say, hey, he's 123 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: stout and he's strong, but he's not giving us enough 124 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: pass rush, so let's slide him down the board a 125 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: little bit. I think that type of player, that profile, 126 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: when you can play that type of defense and put 127 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: a lid on everything and allow no explosive plays, that 128 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: affords you that luxury. I think those DT's that are strong, 129 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: strong run defenders never been more valuable. 130 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, never been more valuable. And I think they have 131 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: to have enough persontility. 132 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: In that quote might be Donald talked about how hard 133 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: it is to put guys in situations where they have 134 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: to occupy multiple gaps. We have been in a league 135 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: that has been a one gap lean league, meaning we 136 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: wanted defenders that can occupy their gap. We want a 137 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: defensive lineman that could get up the field, control the gap, 138 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: and as many have said, like hey, I'm gonna stop 139 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 3: the run on the way to the core, the Seattle 140 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: Seahawks don't operate like that necessarily. They have some two 141 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: gap situations. They do some things differently. They're bigger, they're stout, 142 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna say this, having watched them up close 143 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 3: and personal against the Jaguars when they came down to 144 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: do well and played in the bank, the one thing 145 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: that I remembered that was notable about their defensive line big, fast, 146 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: and physical. They you feel the Seattle Seahawks when you 147 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: play them. You can feel their physicality, you can feel 148 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: their toughness. Some of why they're able to play so 149 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: fast is because there's some simplicity to what they do defensively, 150 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: but in terms of the traits and the talent, they 151 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: are a heavyweight team when they walk off the bus. 152 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: Well, that's going to get me to my next point, 153 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: because the next thing I wrote was start with DT's 154 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: that can play the run, and then depth at the edge, 155 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: having guys you can roll through there, and if you 156 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: think about it, you get de Marcus Lawrence out there, 157 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: who's a physical, heavy handed Rusher. You know Chenna can do. 158 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: You know, Chen's got juiced, but Chenna can play a 159 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: little bit both both ways on that deal. But then 160 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: you get when you have Boye Mafe and Haul Derek Hall, 161 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: those guys are like four or five guys. So not 162 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: only do you keep your guys fresh through games like 163 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: rolling those edge guys through, you keep you fresh to 164 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: the season. You keep your fresh to the postseason. Like 165 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: those guys. That was not a tired group. That was 166 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: a group that looked like they finished the marathon and 167 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: we're like, what was that? Is twenty six point two? 168 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: That's it? Like we could do this, we could do 169 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: another ten miles here. We're fresh as can be. Yeah, 170 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: And we talked about it. 171 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: We talked about it on the show last night in 172 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: post game how the last two years in the playoffs 173 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, we saw the teams that had 174 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: the deep and talented defensive lines have. 175 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: Their way in the game. 176 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles two years ago, the Seattle Seahawks this year. 177 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: And it's something that we used to view as a 178 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: luxury now and may be a necessity. Seven to eight 179 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: guys that can play and having a coaching staff and 180 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator that's unafraid to play a bunch of 181 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: different guys. Yesteryear was a we're gonna keep my starting 182 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: group on the field. 183 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: They're gonna play all these snaps. We're gonna wear them 184 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: down or whatever. 185 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: Now it's not we're rolling bodies in and out like 186 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: it's almost like hockey. We're rolling guys in as a 187 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: line change, and we're just gonna keep weighing you down 188 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: with bodies. And unfortunately for the offensive line, you don't 189 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: get the opportunity to do that. 190 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 2: You don't get a chance to sub out or whatever. 191 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: And so I'm bringing these fastballs and fastballs and fastballs 192 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: at you. At some point you're gonna wiel it under 193 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: the barge of pressure. The harassment, the persistence, all of 194 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: it is just part of a well executed strategy to 195 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: mail your personnel with the way that you want to play. 196 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: Let me go back to that Eagles team you just 197 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: brought up. So if you go back last year that 198 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: Eagles team, Buck did not have a double digit sack artist. 199 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: You had Josh Sweat with eight, Nolan Smith had six 200 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: and a half, Milton Williams had five, Jalen Carter four 201 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: and a half, Brandon Graham three and a half, Zach 202 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: Bond three and a half, na Kobe Dean three. So 203 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: it was more about depth than it was, you know, 204 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: having that one guy or you know somebody that's out 205 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: there getting fifteen sixteen sacks this team. Which was a 206 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: stat that shocked me with with Seattle, is they didn't 207 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: have anybody with double sacks on this team either. You 208 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: watch them and you're like, man, they suffocate everybody. But 209 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: when you pull up the individual stats during the regular season, 210 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: calling up right now, I think it was seven they 211 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: had on the defensive line, you had again Nuoso seven, 212 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams seven, Byron Murphy seven, DeMarcus Lawrence six, you know, 213 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: Drake Thomas with three and a half, Jared Reid two 214 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: and a half, Man Worried two and a half. Like, 215 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: it's it's not the it's not the ace pitcher, it's 216 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: the it's the collection of the pitching staff. And they 217 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: got they got a bunch of them. And that's something 218 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: we've seen now two years in a row. And I, 219 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that does that mean, Okay, 220 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: we need to load up with all first round picks, 221 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know about that, but it might mean like, 222 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: hey we can if we can trade back if we 223 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: get a bunch of like second third round picks, like 224 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: maybe instead of taking that guy, it's you know at 225 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: ten or at fifteen, Like let's try and get two 226 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: or three of them like litter throughout the first three 227 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: rounds because that they all come from the first three rounds. 228 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: But maybe waiting a little bit for that day too. 229 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, the collect the collective, And we've talked about this 230 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: in various terms. I think it's interesting because as we're 231 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: doing the deep dive on where these guys are coming 232 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,479 Speaker 3: from and how the defensive lines that are most successful, 233 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: you invest your picks in the first three rounds. You 234 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: can get your offensive linemen sometimes in various spots later, 235 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: get your running backs later, but if you're gonna have 236 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: a top defensive line, you better invest early. So you 237 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: talked about Andy Reid and how Andy Reid love to 238 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: get a big every year offensive line, defensive line. They're 239 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: gonna commit one of their three their first three round 240 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: picks to someone. 241 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: That's in the trenches. 242 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: Well, with the defensive line, if you're going to have that, 243 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: we're not going to get a defensive lineman when we 244 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: need them, we don't get them because that's just part 245 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: of what we do. You cannot be a line of 246 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 3: scrimmage team if you don't invest in the line of scrimmage. 247 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: And these teams that we're talking about Mike McDonald defensive 248 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: mind to coach, you're talking about Andy, you're talking about 249 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: Philly and the way they did it with Vic Fangio. 250 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: You have to commit to what you want to be 251 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: good at, like that's just what it is, and you 252 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: can't blink at that depth and the accumulation of having 253 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: the time dominant line matters. 254 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: And think about also with those two groups, you have 255 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: the heavy hand like Brandon Graham probably be more like 256 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: the DeMarcus Lawrence, like strong, firm, power guys. But then 257 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: you've got Noan Smith who's an absolute fastball. So they've 258 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: got a mixture of guys. It's not just that, you know, 259 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: we want all these guys to look exactly the same. 260 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: So if you're a team that's got some power rushers, man, 261 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: you need to get a fastball to supplement those power 262 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: rushers and vice versa. 263 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: So what it sounds like is we've talked about the 264 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: wide receiver room being one where you're building a basketball team. 265 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: That's great point where you have complimentary. 266 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: Now on your defensive line, you need a little bit 267 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 3: of everything. Hey, I need a plugger to stop the run. 268 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: Oh I need a quick guy to be my three technique. 269 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 3: Oh I need a power rusher on one side, and 270 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: this he got. 271 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: And whatever I have. I need duplicates because I want 272 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: to roll them out. 273 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: And it expands your drafting profile because think about all 274 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: those years. You'll be like, man, he's a really good player, 275 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: but he's not for us because we don't play a 276 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: team where we can use it. It appears that Mike 277 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: McDonald has enough freedom and flexibility with his scheme to 278 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: be able to take different type people. And I'll say this, 279 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: I think it's also not a diversity in terms of 280 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: playing style. 281 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: How about a diversity and age and experience. 282 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: Veteran and DeMarcus Lawrence veteran and Leonard Willis, both those 283 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 3: guys that played ten plus years, Bian Murphy year two. 284 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: You know, Jan Reed quietly has played almost ten years 285 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: in this league. But you got other people. 286 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: So bringing all of that together is not just about 287 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: youth and experience. 288 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: It's having a mix of everything to make it work. 289 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating to me how this has been out 290 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: there for teams now. And so to the fans that 291 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: are reading mock drafts, by the way, this should be. 292 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: This should be a little nugget for you. Oh we 293 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: don't we already have two pass rushers. Why are we 294 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: taking another pass rusher? I want I want this. We 295 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: don't have a linebacker, we don't have a running back, 296 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: we don't have like, yeah, you don't ever have enough. 297 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: Like that's the whole thing. Great players, and if they 298 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: happen to be along the defensive line, even better. 299 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: I want eight of them. So there's a thing. 300 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say this summer reference Rong wolf a 301 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: Ton because these come from when I worked in Seattle 302 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: on the Johnt side, and they always talked about you 303 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 3: can never have enough great players. And they learned from 304 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: Al Davis that you build strength on strength. So many 305 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: people think, oh, well, we already have that, so we're good, 306 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: let's go get and but some people are like, well, yeah, 307 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: it's great, there's a really good player here. That's a 308 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: position of strength for us. Let's get more of it. 309 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: Let's be even more dominant. I've heard you talk about 310 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 3: if you're rebuilding the team, what side can I get 311 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: to being great first instead of being average at both sides. 312 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: There is something to that, and I'll cap it by 313 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: saying Willie Shaw was my defensive coordinator at open. He's 314 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: David Shaw's dad, and he always was say this, if 315 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: you play to your strips, you have no weaknesses. And 316 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: I think when you operate in that mindset, like how 317 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: can we make ourselves dominant where our super powers overwhelmed people, 318 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: it gives you a chance to win. 319 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: If you can always get the game on your turns 320 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: no doubt. 321 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: Let's say, quick break, we come back. A couple more 322 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: takeaways from this Super Bowl. A huge win for the 323 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. All Right, Buck, we touched on this. We 324 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: don't need to spend a long time on it, but 325 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: we've been talking about this for a while now. But 326 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: just having the complete tight end, like we're seeing the 327 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: ability to be able to block in the run game 328 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: and then also to be a functional pass catcher, like 329 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: they've done that with their tight ends in Seattle. 330 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: And look look Arroyo. 331 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: They took who's got big time speed and he's got 332 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: a chance to be a real playmaker, but you're not 333 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: playing that much because these other tight ends are so 334 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: good at the point of attack and are functional in 335 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: the passing game. Barner especially a nice job. So having 336 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: a complete tight end man that sets you up big time. 337 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: Okay, last night we talked abouttionless ball and how the 338 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: game is being overrun with hybrids. Well, to me, the 339 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: tight end is your original hybrid in football because he's 340 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: part offensive tackle, part wide receiver, and when you get 341 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: a guy that is a true wide they do offer 342 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: you that. And when you have guys that can really block, 343 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: it really creates what I call an unbalanced line because 344 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 3: even though they have eligible numbers they're in eighties. They're 345 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: really extensions of the offensive line and you can control 346 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: the edges. 347 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: So much of what Kenneth Walker. 348 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: Was able to do was because on the edges the 349 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: tight ends were able to dominate and create saw spots 350 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: where you can get around the corner. And when you're 351 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: bouncing and you're running duo and popping all the way 352 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: outside and you're cutting your zone back, that's because your 353 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: tight ends are winning the edge game, they're dominating at 354 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: the point of attack, and they're blocking. To me, matter 355 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: far more than they're receiving. Even though the confromary action 356 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: between their run game and their pass game allowed them 357 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: to do some subtle things, great big play opportunities like 358 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: to touch down to a J barner. All of it 359 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: fits together, which is why we've raved about the system 360 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: that Kubiak and Shanahan and all those I mean, there 361 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: are no tails. 362 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: It is all stacked upon each other. 363 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: But when you have dominate tight ends like those teams 364 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: we talk about due, it makes it so much easier. 365 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: And guess what, DJ has. Some really good tight ends 366 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: in this classes are. 367 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Coming up, No doubt, there's some really solid tight ends. 368 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this class of a bunch of them. 369 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: Two of other things I'll just kind of actually, I'll 370 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: just kind of lump these next three things together. Tackling 371 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: in the secondary, which we've been harping on for a 372 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: long time. It's hard to be a great defense if 373 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: your little guys don't tackle, and I mean little guys. 374 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm not talking size wise, but just your corners, your safeties, 375 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: like they are an outstanding tackling team, incredibly smart team. 376 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: And listen to some of the post game stuff they 377 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: talked about that and that defense and how smart you 378 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: know you got to be to play over there. 379 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: It's a smart group. 380 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: And then I just wrote down, you know, in terms 381 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: of ball security and managing the game, kind of lumping 382 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: those together, of understanding what does each game require from us? 383 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: And I think give Sam Donald a lot of credit 384 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: for that, give Kubiak a lot of credit for that. 385 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: But understanding on the offensive side of the ball, Okay, 386 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: this is what this game is going to require. They 387 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: feel you out, Okay, we kind of feel out. They 388 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: can't do much against us. Okay, this is how we're 389 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: going to proceed going forward. So I think that kind 390 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: of goes in together with the intelligence, the smarts, and 391 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: then the tackling thing. I kind of plump those three 392 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: things together. 393 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say this, and I would say, like 394 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: so much sometimes frustration from the media standpoint comes from 395 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: the way that we view the quarterback and the way 396 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: that we evaluate the quarterback and the media in terms 397 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 3: of when he plays well then when he does it. 398 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: So much about playing the position is about managing the game. 399 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: And I know when we lumped that out there and 400 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: we talked about this guy being a game manager, it 401 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 3: is always viewed in a negative connotation because we've romanticized 402 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: a position where we want him to be John Wayne 403 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: and the superhero and to do all these things where really, 404 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 3: the great quarterbacks are able to assess the game just 405 00:17:59,000 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: like coaches. 406 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: Hey man, they can't score on us, it's no need 407 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: for me to do it. 408 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: We've talked about Tiger Woods on Sunday, I'm about three shots. 409 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you didn't get none, but the irons three 410 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: iron off to tee. I'm not giving you a shot 411 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 3: to be back. Oh hey, this is a little more competitive. 412 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to hit the driver. I'm have to 413 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: go for it. 414 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: I have to go for the pin and do those things. 415 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: Great quarterbacks not only have the talent to do that, 416 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: but they have the mentality to be able to understand 417 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: what is required on that given day. To me, that 418 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: is underrated, not discussed enough when we talk about quarterback 419 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: and excellent quarterback play. 420 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: And you know this goes back. 421 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: We've been having this discussion here for ten years on 422 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: Salmon on the quarterback position because we've said that the playoffs, 423 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: that the regular season is about your floor, and people 424 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: get celebrated because of your floor and the consistency. Seventeen 425 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: games to have success in the postseason. It's about the ceiling. 426 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: It's you know, and people say, okay, well, gosh, and 427 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: two of these games they didn't have to do anything 428 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: right the first playoff game Againt San Francisco didn't have 429 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: to do anything. 430 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 2: This Super Bowl quite honestly, didn't have to do much. 431 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: But the ceiling was needed against the Rams. And if 432 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: Sam Donald didn't have that level of talent and that 433 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: level of ability, we don't need him to do it. 434 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: We don't need him to do that sixteen times. We 435 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: don't need to do it five times. We needed to 436 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: do it twice against the Rams. Forget the first one 437 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: against the Rams, but we needed him to ball out 438 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: in that game at home and then check after a 439 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: couple turnovers and turned it on big time. And then 440 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: we needed him in the playoff game against the Rams 441 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: to be able to go totote with Matthew Stafford, which 442 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: he did. So the ceiling and that's why when you're like, Okay, 443 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: well this guy is going to be a consistent, good, good, 444 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: solid player, I'm like, yeah, But there's the reason why 445 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco has a Super Bowl. It's not because he 446 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: was the most consistent guy in the world. It's because 447 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: when he needed to, he could elevate to go play 448 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: at that level for four games. 449 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: It's so funny, right because I used this analogy, and 450 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: we use this analogy. 451 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: When Sam was coming out, and I used a basketball 452 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: description between the differ between a shooter and a scorer, 453 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 3: and a shooter is the one that we talked about 454 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: at quarterback as man it's pretty, it's pristine. The footwork, 455 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 3: the mechanics are nice, they do all those things. But 456 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: the scorer, it may not be pretty, but they find 457 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: a way to get buckets. And as we're describing Sam man, 458 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: the turnovers were all over the place, led the league, 459 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 3: and giveaways with twenty, all these things, but in the 460 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: playoffs he manages that. 461 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: But in the game where they needed him to go 462 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: and get. 463 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: A bucket, he went and got buckets against the Rams, 464 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 3: and the great scores know how to insert themselves into 465 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: the game based on that. Where a shooter it has 466 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 3: to be pretty in pristine. Sam Darnald's not always going 467 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: to be pretty, but look, you can't dispute the results 468 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: he scores, and because he scored, particularly the last two years, 469 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 3: the way he's operated as a scorer. His teams have 470 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 3: been super successful, I think, but twenty nine fourteen each 471 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: of those seasons. 472 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it is. 473 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 3: And I know people hate the quarterback WINSTA, but in 474 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: the meeting rooms DJ, when we're talking about quarterbacks, we talk. 475 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: About their ability to win games. 476 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 3: And this has been This playoff front has been a 477 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: microcosm of what his needed to win. 478 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes back to I was thinking about that 479 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: Rams game, the Thursday night game where there's some struggles early, 480 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: and I was thinking of that. You know, that Penn 481 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: State Rose Bowl and the way they came back in 482 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: that game and he made all those big throws and 483 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: they end up winning that Rose Bowl game there and 484 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: against sae Quon Barkley and Penn State and that crew. 485 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: Sam's kind of always had that ability if you know 486 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: you need to get there, he has the tools to 487 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: do it now. In the in the end of the 488 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: year last year, they were overmatched along the offensive line. 489 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't a fair fight and he got They got 490 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: destroyed up front in those two games and he didn't 491 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: play well. But when they've given him a fighting chance 492 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: and he's been able to elevate in those big moments, 493 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: So hats off to Sam Donald. Last point I want 494 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: to hit on this book, and this is an ode 495 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: to your buddy John Schneider. You better be willing to 496 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: trade talent and you better be willing to take on 497 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: the risk to trade four to on. So to me, 498 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: I think there's so many times like we can't trade 499 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: this guy. This guy's kind of I mean, Russell Wilson 500 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: might get a statue outside of our building, like we 501 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: can't no, whoop gone gino. Smith's actually played pretty decent 502 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: for us, like you know what, Yeah, but for where 503 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: he is right now, where we need to be, it's 504 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: not good enough. So we're going to move on from him. 505 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, Talenter does all get out, but it's just 506 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: not the right fit for our group right now. So 507 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: we're willing to move on there. But then on the 508 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: other side of it, hey, we've got a chance to go, 509 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: you know, get Leonard Williams Boom, let's do it. Ernest Jones, 510 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: go make a trade for him, come on, come on in. 511 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: You know we've seen it with Rashid Shaheed was a 512 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: huge part of their team. Was a move that they've made. 513 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: You've got to be willing to do both. You can't 514 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: just sit there and say we've got our group, we're 515 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: going to run it back and you know they're kind 516 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: of established and entrenched here. You got to be willing 517 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: to do that, and I think that's a that's a 518 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: good sign. So many these teams are just they sit 519 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: on their hands, man that you can't do that. 520 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: Now, you can't do that. 521 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: I think there are a few things to discuss when 522 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: it comes to those trades and why you move. 523 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: Off of players and why you acquire players. 524 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 3: One, you move off of anybody who doesn't fit the 525 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: description of what you describe your team is. So we 526 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 3: talk about these guys have to have these core traits 527 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: to be Seahawks, and I'm not talking about physical, but 528 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the emotional, the mental, the way that 529 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 3: they blend in with the team. They have to have 530 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 3: those things. Mob mission over bs. When you do that, 531 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: you're fine with it because you're going to have a 532 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: collective of a group that plays together. The other part 533 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: of it, you have to have an ownership group that 534 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: buys into division and they don't necessarily keep score of 535 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: your hits and misses. One of the reasons why John 536 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: Snyder is able to do that because, look, they have 537 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: some misses. It hasn't been perfect them. Early on, man, 538 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: when they were getting Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn and 539 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: all those guys they overpaid, it didn't work out. They 540 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 3: were able to stick to it, came back, they get 541 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: the Marshawn Lynches. They come back and get the recent 542 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: guys that you talk about, whether it's acquiring Leonard Williams, 543 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 3: whether it's going for rash to Heat, all those players 544 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 3: that they went for, is because ownership allows you to 545 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 3: go do that and they don't necessarily hold you, oh 546 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: you made this one mistake, we're out. You have to 547 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 3: be willing to live with some mistakes if you're going 548 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: to operate in that world. And the Seattle Seahawks have 549 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: been willing to live with some of those mistakes and 550 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: that's why they've being able to come to the other side. 551 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 3: Final point when it comes to John listening to him, 552 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: we heard him postgame when you saw to Mike rob 553 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 3: and MJD. And he talked about every day thinking about 554 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: how can we look at our team and how can 555 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: we make it better? What aggressive, bold moves can we 556 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: do to always chase that ideal team that we want. 557 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: It's about being fearless. You can't worry about it. You 558 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: got to send us some MUCKs sometimes when it doesn't 559 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: go your way, but you have to continue to take 560 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: your shot. 561 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: If you're trying to be able to championship team. 562 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: They can't be scared, you know, just kind of boil 563 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: it all down to that, you just can't be scared. 564 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: I want to give you, let's say two, four, five 565 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: players that if we're looking at this draft as we 566 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: kind of spend this t forward that we're trying to 567 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: do on this episode, here five players I think teams 568 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: might be looking for. That's a good notebook for your boock. 569 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: I give you, I try to give you one. I 570 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: give you three notebooks a year. 571 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: Give me one idea. 572 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: This is my I probably owe you to. I don't 573 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: think I've given you another idea the whole year. So 574 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: here's a notebook idea. Five players on the Seahawks that 575 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: teams will try and identify in this year's draft. The 576 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: five players I wrote down. Okay, there's a good notebook idea, right, 577 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: It's just good. I've got JSN, We've got Leonard Williams. 578 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: Good luck I've got Walker, Yeah, I've got Emon Warri, 579 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: and I've got Rahee Rashid Shahied in terms of the 580 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: role that he has. So I'm going to just give 581 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: you quick five names here that I just wrote down 582 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: that I think you could make a case for in 583 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: these roles. And obviously we're not saying that these guys 584 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: are as good as them, but they can use them 585 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: in that fashion. 586 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: Okay. 587 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: I think Mikayle Lemon for JSN, as someone who I 588 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: think can play inside and outside, but who is so 589 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: strong to and through the ball, is fearless, tough, is 590 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, got some polished to him. 591 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: I think that's that's a fit there. Leonard Williams. 592 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: Look, Leonard Williams was my number one overall player in 593 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: his draft class, and Caleb Banks is not. 594 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: He's not in one of. 595 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: My top twenty five players. He's not in my top 596 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: twenty five players. But Buck, he's got that frame. He 597 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: is six foot six, he's three hundred and thirty pounds. 598 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: He has that type of upside and ability. Leonard was 599 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: way further along at this point in there, and you know, 600 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: coming out of college, come out of USC. But that's 601 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: the guy that fits that bill of someone if you 602 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: can dream on him, and it's going to end up 603 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: pushing him way up in this draft. 604 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 2: I believe. 605 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: Emon Warri, I'll get to him. McNeil Warren, the safety 606 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: from Toledo, who's you know, six three and a half 607 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: two hundred and eighteen pounds and can he can run 608 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: and can make a lot of plays. He kind of 609 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: fits that big safety. You could drop down there and 610 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: do some things. And I wrote Conceptsio as the Casey 611 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: concepts you as the Shaheed factor with the big time, 612 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: big time speed, not the biggest guy in the world, 613 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: but can really really go. It could help you in 614 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: the return game. And then I went to you on 615 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: Walker because I was having a hard time on Walker, 616 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: and I think we kind of chopped it up a 617 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: little bit in Singleton is someone who at least has 618 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: that speed. I know he's hurt coming off this injury 619 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl from Penn State, but someone who 620 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: can press and bounce and has that big time home 621 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: run speed. 622 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I like that. So I'm gonna one up 623 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: you like I think Nicholas Singleton certainly has that ability. 624 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Emmit Johnson also has that when you 625 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: look at him on tape, he can do it. 626 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 2: He's a better pass catcher coming out of the backfield. 627 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: I agree with you on Caleb banks Man, I love 628 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. 629 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: You look at his tape, he can get after it. 630 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: He is active, he has all those things. 631 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 3: Your comparison, Makayle lemon on JSN, I have another one. 632 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 3: When I look at Jordan Tyson, to me, he has 633 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: some of that ability. In fact, I wrote jameson in 634 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 3: terms of him as a route runner. The safety positions 635 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 3: you're looking, You're on it when it comes to that. 636 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 2: And casey concept you. 637 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: On I wrote down in my notes, and it's funny 638 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 3: you talking about I wrote down Parker Washington in The 639 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 3: reason why I wrote down Parker Washington in my notes 640 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: is because the return ability working over the middle, what 641 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 3: you can do in terms of being tough, all that 642 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: other stuff, the explosiveness, same thing concept you're on going 643 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: from state to Texas, A and m being able to 644 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: make plays. 645 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: That's what it is, and that's the fun part. 646 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: Every evaluator, and it's tough right now because they're in 647 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 3: the middle of these things, but every evaluator takes time. 648 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: They look at the Super Bowl. 649 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: They study the trends the teams that continue to exist 650 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: in the postseason. And I'm gonna say this DJ, because 651 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: they're so stunning visually. When you're on the field with 652 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks, you look at them and it reminds 653 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: me now that they're at the level of dominance, But 654 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 3: it reminds me when you go to the college games 655 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: and when Alabama was in there heyday with Nick Sabe 656 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: and you would see them run out and you see 657 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 3: the other. 658 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: Team, and you see one teams not like the other. 659 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: There is something about trying to fit that profile and 660 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: going back to Snyder and going back to all those 661 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: people that grew up in the systems. Man, it was 662 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: about the traits, the tools, the size, the length, and 663 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: why you put these standards and dimensions physically on people 664 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: because you want a team that looks the part. And 665 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: we felt what that team looks like. And that's not 666 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 3: discrediting the patrist because I actually thought the Patriots played 667 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: pretty well defensively. 668 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: Oh I played great. Yeah, just obviously they. 669 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 3: Were overwhelmed by a tilent, a talented team. And a 670 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 3: few weeks ago I did the study between the Dark 671 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: Side and the lesion of Boom and DJ. I couldn't 672 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 3: give it to the Dark Side because they hadn't won it. 673 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: But everything that I checked off far. 674 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: More talented unit than the leaders of Boom that dominated 675 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: in those twenty tens. 676 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: So many guys, but I think there are some similarities 677 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: too though, you know, in terms of trying to throw 678 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: numbers at you up front and beat you with that. 679 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: Having a fastball and Cliff Avroll I believe was on 680 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: that team, if I'm not mistaken, If. 681 00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: Abril, Michael Bennett, Mumbos, Brandon me Bain, all those Red 682 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: Red Bryan was on it. I mean they have some 683 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: guys had linebackers that I always say their linebackers were better. 684 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: But then back then you can make the argument as 685 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: talented as the legion of Boom of Richard Sherman and 686 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: Cam and Earl or whatever, they're not as versatile as 687 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 3: these are. Devin Brotherspoon, it was like a showcase game 688 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: for him, like, oh. 689 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: This stuff. I mean it's a lot, it's a lot. 690 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: But see, I mean it's that that's a quality notebook item. 691 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: I mean that that is a quality item. And here's 692 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: what I know. My uh, my main editor Gennaro Police 693 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 3: is gonna listen. He always listens to the podcast, and 694 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna get a note probably on Wednesday, like, 695 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: hey man, you were kind of talking about this on 696 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 3: the podcast, and this might be like you might put 697 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: this in as one of the sections. 698 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if there's anybody else, Like, if there's any 699 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: other I mean, you could see who's the Byron Murphy, 700 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: Like you find some of the other key guys. I mean, 701 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Witherspoon would be a great one, you know, in terms 702 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: of who plays like him. I've got a lot of corners. 703 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: That's one of the positions. I haven't done a toime 704 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: of them yet, so I got a lot more work 705 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: to do on the corners. Like I'm curious to see 706 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: some of these smaller guys Ponds from Indiana, watch him, 707 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: see what he looks like, to see I mean it's 708 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: going to be on that level. But excited to study 709 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: him and get into it. I'm I'm cranking. I'm done 710 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: with the lineman buck for the combine. I'm done with quarterbacks. 711 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: By the end of the day, I'll be done with 712 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: wide outs. So we are, we're checking these checking through 713 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: the man. 714 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 3: So you're funny because you like to always start like 715 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: with the bigs and then we'll do the skills later. 716 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: You got to catch me running. 717 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 3: I'm gonna start with the skills, get excited, and then 718 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I got to dig into the bigs. 719 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: So I just can I tell you why real quick? 720 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: You know why? 721 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Because I believe in the like the the flywheel, right 722 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: like just kind of get the momentum, get it started 723 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: to get momentum. So you know, I like what you know. 724 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: I like watching the Bigs because I can just watch 725 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: the end zone cut. 726 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: So for those that if you've never watched All twenty 727 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: two film, you get the sideline view so you can 728 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: see it from the side to see all twenty two guys, 729 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: and then you get behind you know, behind the player 730 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: in front of the play, but the end zone camera, 731 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: which if you're watching an offensive defensive lineman, I don't 732 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: need the wide I can just give me the end 733 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: zone cut. 734 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: So I cut that out. So I feel like I've. 735 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: Cut my time almost in half, and I'm just jamming. 736 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you can roll through these old linemen and 737 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: d linemen, so it helps me get some momentum. Like, man, 738 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: look at all I got accomplished today and then blow 739 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: and behold. I say, at the end, I got corners 740 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: and I got to watch both both cuts, and it 741 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: takes forever I see you to. 742 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: See, but I try and create the momentum. 743 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: The flywheel affect differently because if I started jamming, I 744 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 3: started liking so many skill because I'm like, oh man, 745 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: yeah I'm not it was gonna do six today, And I. 746 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: Don't need as much coffee. 747 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 1: I don't need as much coffee while you're doing an 748 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: offensive lineman sometimes, you know, as a I need. 749 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: I was going through the centers, so I did like 750 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 3: tackles and guards and centers. 751 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: Hey I needed I needed a few Yeah, okay, kind 752 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: of get through it. Xascinated. Do what you gotta do, buddy, Hey, 753 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: it was great scene you last night. Man. 754 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: We are we're heading towards our time of the year, 755 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: as we'd like to say. So if you're you're all 756 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: about free agency, the draft, we've got you covered on 757 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: moved to six. We also doing my my project with 758 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: Rosie forties and free agencies out there. You know, he's 759 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: got his free agency list coming which i'll I'll rip apart, 760 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: but we'll u we can have fun on that guy 761 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: as well. So all right, Buck, anything else you want 762 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: to have before we get out of here. 763 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: No, man, it's so fun. Congratulations to the Seahawks. 764 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: Congratulations of Snyder and the crew and Mike McDonald that 765 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 3: coaches to have the job to click Kubiak did while 766 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: managing his new role and responsibility that'll be announced shortly. 767 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: Amazing, very cool, very cool. And again, well, I love 768 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: doing this this show with Buck. We've been doing it 769 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: for a decade plus. Is Bucky's got background with John Schneider, 770 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: known him for forever and he knows that that world. 771 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: Then I'm kind of like loosely connected to the Ravens 772 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of way they operate with McDonald kind of coming 773 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: in there. So you do this thing long enough, you 774 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: kind of see these merges and uh and these families 775 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of come together and it doesn't doesn't get much 776 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: better than what we saw from the Seattle Seahawks. 777 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 3: Buck, No, it's been great, man. Congratulations to them. Confetti flies, 778 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 3: But you know what, it's a new day. Cashias to 779 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven, open right open, everybody has a chance. 780 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: And we'll be right across the street for that one. 781 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: All right, thank you, guys for for checking this out. 782 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Right here, I'm moving sticks.