1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, she'll was normal. Take it for Wenday news. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: He gets weird. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 3: I am Man Pferent, I am Carl Marcowitz. 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, but it feels like Monday. This week is 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: just it's full of news and it's too busy. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: I need another day off. 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: It is too busy. 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 4: I got to go up to Maine and meet Laurel Libby, 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 4: the state legislator who's that's amazing. You'll remember her free 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 4: speech case and then the legislature up there went all 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 4: the way to the Supreme Court and she got a 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 4: Supreme Court or saying hey, you're not allowed to shove 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 4: her up because she's what she says about gender. 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: So did a little podcast with her. She's loved one. 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: I love that she's speaking and that she's allowed to speak. 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: I would think the we're so pro First Amendment people 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: before that, but then they weren't. 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 5: Right. 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, you know what I love about it is 20 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 4: that the Democrats in Maine were dumb enough to overplay 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 4: their hands so hard that they made a smart woman 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 4: a national figure who never would have been had they 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 4: not done that. 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: So thank you. 25 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, good good move, guys, good move. 26 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: Maybe not never would have been, but definitely catapulted her. 27 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: So good to sit down with her. 28 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,919 Speaker 3: Nice was main warm. 29 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 4: No, No, Maine in January is very very cold, as 30 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 4: it's going to be on I guess everywhere. 31 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, next week. So I was just getting prepped. 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: You know, people wanted banter. I'm banstering. Do you listen 33 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: to Noah Khan? He's this great musician my okay, cool, 34 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: fifteen year old daughters very into him. 35 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: See I'm not that cool. 36 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you need that's who it is. 37 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: You need a teenage daughter. 38 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 3: Yours are almost there to tell you what the cool 39 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 3: music is. 40 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: But he's really great, and he was trending yesterday because 41 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: he has a new single coming out. But the reason 42 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: I mentioned him is he's from New England. A lot 43 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: of his songs are from about New England. He has 44 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: a song called Maine. He grew up I think in 45 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: New Hampshire. Really excellent. You should check him out. 46 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: Okay, cool to. 47 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: Introduce him to your daughters, you know, Okay, Yeah. 48 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: One more bit of banter, just so everybody can feel 49 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: my impending doom. I'm supposed to travel this weekend. 50 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 2: I like we're getting news about that in Florida. We're 51 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: not even like on the path, but people are, you know. 52 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: I keep seeing these like newscasters saying things might get 53 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: real bad this weekend. 54 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: Just I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. 55 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna get out of town and I'm not gonna 56 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: get back in. 57 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: I fear that is my fate. So I'll keep you 58 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: guys posted. 59 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 3: Please let us know. 60 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: We'll see where you're recording next week's episodes from. If 61 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: you have electricity, oh, blessed right. 62 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: It could let it be. 63 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 4: It won't be in Davos, I'll tell you that, Nodvos. 64 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 4: But that's where everybody is this week. I wonder if 65 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: they'll make it home in this storm. Anyway, I feel 66 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 4: like they might. 67 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 68 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: The World Economic Forum has gathered in in Davos, as 69 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 4: they do customarily. Apparently attendant's very high this year, partly 70 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 4: because of Donald Trump's saberatting on Greenland, which has energized 71 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: the European sector to show up at Davos and hear 72 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 4: what he has to say, and to also say their 73 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 4: piece while they're there. 74 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: So things are maybe a little rowdier than usual at Davos. 75 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: Which I think they have come to expect during the 76 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: Trump presidency. They had him for four years. They know 77 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: that this is a guy who says what he's thinking. 78 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: I love when he calls the Prime Minister of Canada. 79 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: Mark, I just yeah, Mark. My favorite moments of Davos 80 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: are Scott Pissent. 81 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: So far. 82 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: He has been a lot of fun to watch. 83 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: He called Governor Newsom, he said, who strikes me as 84 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: patch of Batement meets Sparkle beach Ken. 85 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: Wow. 86 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: Maybe the only Californian who knows less about economics than 87 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. He's here this week with his billionaire sugar 88 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: daddy Alex Soros, and Davos is the perfect place for 89 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: a man who, when everything else is on lockdown, when 90 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: he was having people arrest going to church, you know, 91 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: obviously went out and went to the most expensive restaurant 92 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: in the country. 93 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 3: Bessent added, shame on him. 94 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: He's too smug, too self absorbed, and too economically illiterate 95 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: to know anything. And then he said let me know 96 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: if you need any further clarification, which is hilarious. But 97 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: on the serious side, Scott Bissent said that Europe is 98 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 2: still buying Russian oil, which is an amazing thing to say, 99 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 2: because Europe is obviously funding, as are we the war 100 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: that Russia launched in Ukraine. To still be buying Russian 101 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: oil when you're funding the warren Ukraine is some real 102 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: good economics, Like. 103 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 4: You know, it's been drawn for years, guys, and you 104 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: haven't you know, figured out a way around this. I 105 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 4: also want to point out that Newsome, while the entire 106 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 4: rest of the Western world was kind of coming together 107 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: to express some annoyance at Donald Trump, you would think 108 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 4: that he would find himself on the right side of 109 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 4: that argument for the. 110 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: Left, and yet he doesn't. What he said instead was 111 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: that they're not. 112 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: Standing up to Trump at the World Economic Forum. I 113 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: can't take this complicity people rolling over. I should have 114 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: brought bought a bunch of knee pads for all the 115 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: world leaders. 116 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: It's pathetic. So he's actually again, his attempt to be 117 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: Trump is just making him left Trump. 118 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: It's very weird. He's not. 119 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: You can't be as good as Trump while trying to 120 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: be Trump. You can be Gavin Newsom. You could try 121 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: to do that. Yeah, that was a weird comment because 122 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: they are all kind of attacking Trump. 123 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 4: Most Yes, one would think that this would be your 124 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: moment to hang with those guys. 125 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 126 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: So a lot of people are going gaga over Canadian 127 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 4: Prime Minister Mark Carney Mark Carney's speech. 128 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: At Davos, and I think we have a bit of 129 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: that to give you a flavor of it. 130 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 6: We knew the story of the international rules base order 131 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 6: was partially false, that the strongest would exempt themselves when 132 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 6: convenient trade rules were enforced asymmetrically, And we knew that 133 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 6: international law applied with varying rigor depending on the identity 134 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 6: of the accused or the victim. This fiction was useful, 135 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 6: and American hegemony in particular helped provide public goods, open 136 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 6: sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support 137 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 6: for frameworks for resolving disputes. So we placed the sign 138 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 6: in the window, We participated in the rituals, and we 139 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 6: largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality. 140 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 6: This bargain no longer works. Let me be direct. We 141 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 6: are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition. 142 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 6: Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy, 143 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 6: and geopolitics have laid bare the risks of extreme global integration. 144 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 6: But more recently have begun using economic integration as weapons. 145 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 6: Tariffs is leverage, financial infrastructure is coercion, Supply chains as 146 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 6: vulnerabilities to be exploited. You cannot live within the lie 147 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 6: of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the source 148 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 6: of your subordination. 149 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: Wow, there's a lot going on here. 150 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 151 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 6: One. 152 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: I think people are over the moon because they're just 153 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: starved for an Obama like speech, and this was like 154 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: felt like an Obama speech. 155 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: I will say yeah, and that he said a lot 156 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: but didn't really say very much. 157 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: I will say a sure cut above Trudeau, who is 158 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 4: definitely doing his life's work by now dating Katy Perry. 159 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: I think they've broken up. 160 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Oh did they just bring up? 161 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: Let me keep you updated. 162 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: I think over the weekend that news might have broken 163 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: that they are no more. 164 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, We'll see who comes along next. 165 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 4: But I do think the gossip mags might be a 166 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: better place for him. 167 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: So he's saying a couple of things. I'm a little confused. 168 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: From the liberal perspective, is American hedgemoney or hegemony good 169 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: or bad? 170 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 5: It may it was good and now it's bad. Well, 171 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 5: but lefties always tell us it's bad. So well, they're bad. 172 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 5: They're warning the end of American hegemony. Yeah, but I 173 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 5: was always told it was bad, So there's that. 174 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 4: This also seems very convenient for Canada to live in 175 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: this space where no, there's a we're not going to 176 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: acknowledge the truth about the world or being kind of fake. 177 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: As long as everything's working out great for us with 178 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 4: our next door neighbor, who, by the way, supplies all 179 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 4: of our defense, right, we're just going to. 180 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: Hang with that. 181 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: And then he boldly proclaims as soon as it's not 182 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: working for them, by. 183 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: The way, that was all a lie. Right, I don't 184 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: know how that's playing so well. 185 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 4: And then lastly, all the things he mentions about uneven 186 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 4: enforcement of trade laws, about using supply chains to threaten people, 187 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 4: about not living by the rules of the international arth, 188 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 4: those are all things that China and Russia have been 189 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 4: doing for decades, right. And as soon as Trump does 190 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: something on trade he doesn't like, he's like, this is 191 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 4: an unfair practice. That's right, are going to break from 192 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: the from our western partner. 193 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: It's why is it now? 194 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 6: Yeah? 195 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: Right, And he is famously pivoting towards China. China and 196 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: Canada are apparently going to have a much closer relationship. 197 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: This is very foolish, very and Trump said to him, 198 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: Canada lives because of us. 199 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: Mark, remember that before you make those speeches. I do. 200 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: I did kind of enjoy that that Trump is where 201 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: he just lets him know. I think that Canada is 202 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: offended by Trump has said and done about, you know, 203 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: in the last year that he's been president. 204 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: I understand that, I do. 205 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: I understand that jokes about the fifty first date and 206 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 2: all of that didn't hit the way that people might 207 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: have imagined Canada would take it. Having said that, pivoting 208 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: towards China seems like the dumbest idea ever when. 209 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: We're right on their border. 210 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: Just where do you think you are to behave this way? 211 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: And who do you think you are? 212 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: Well? 213 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: And The Washington Post's editorial page opined, frustrations with one 214 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: American president need not give way to the agenda of dictators. 215 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: Quote. 216 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: I had discussions with President g about the situation in Greenland, 217 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 4: about our sovereignty and the Arctic, about the sovereignty of 218 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 4: the people of Greenland and the people of Denmark, Carney said, 219 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 4: And I found much alignment of views In that regard 220 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 4: what says the Washington Post, there is verse versaal agreement 221 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 4: within NATO that the Arctic must be protected from China 222 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 4: and Russia. Any suggestion that Ottawa and Beijing agree on 223 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 4: geopolitical strategy concerning the Arctic is either deeply insincere or 224 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 4: worryingly naive. So he yes, I think Trump has needlessly 225 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 4: made this into a relationship that is on the rocks 226 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: when it I think if he hadn't trolled Canada in 227 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 4: the first place, you'd have a conservative leader there now, 228 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 4: but we don't have that. So I think he misread 229 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 4: that and caused this to become something didn't need to be. 230 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: And you should. 231 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 4: Read that, by the way, your allies could be petty 232 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 4: enough to turn towards your adversaries when you're a jerk 233 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: to them. Yeah, like they might be counterproductive enough to 234 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 4: do that. Canada has done many counterproductive things to itself 235 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 4: over many years, so I think he should have taken 236 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: that into account. But this does seem like very unwise, right. 237 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: I don't think things are going to go better for 238 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: Canada after this, Like I don't think Trump is going 239 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: to be warmer towards Canada. 240 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: Well, and the idea. 241 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 4: I guess his thesis was all of the middle level 242 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: powers need to get together somehow to counter this fight 243 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: between the large powers, which somehow the US is the 244 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 4: least responsible member of. 245 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: The trio of Russia in America. 246 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 4: I get you don't like Trump, but that is not 247 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 4: a realistic way to look at this. And the fact 248 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: is when he says subordinate, we do provide open shipping 249 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: lanes and defense for basically the entire Western world. 250 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: That's just a fact. 251 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 252 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: Rebecca Heinrichs from the Hudson Institute, she's very smart. She said, 253 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: the fact that Carney's speech has gotten so much praise 254 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: is just madness. If you care about sovereignty, rule of law, pluralism, liberty, 255 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: you don't increase investments in and reliance on the CCP, 256 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party. That's absolutely correct. 257 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: Also, can we talk about using Vakalo hovel? Oh yeah, 258 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: an example of how to buck totalitarian systems while castigating 259 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: the US but cozying up to China. 260 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, hmm, I don't think so. I don't think so. 261 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: Mark, Quickly, what is your take on what the Greenland 262 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 4: play is. 263 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: I'm so back and forth on this. 264 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: Originally I like super anti it just it seems dumb, 265 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: like why do we want Greenland? I've read more about it, 266 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: I understand the play. I understand that Russia and China 267 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: are potentially coming for it, and we want to prevent 268 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: that from happening because it is a direct line to us. 269 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: It strategically makes a lot of sense for them to 270 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: try to occupy Greenland. 271 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: Denmark cannot defend it. 272 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: And neither Let's be real here, if all of Europe 273 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: joined together could not defend Greenland. So from America's perspective, 274 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: if it belongs to us, we can defend it, and 275 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: we will defend it. I'm still mixed on it, just 276 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: because there's so many other things I'd rather be spending 277 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: our time and energy on. 278 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: But I get it now. 279 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 4: Well, and even if it's strategically wise, that bluster is 280 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 4: not necessarily the way to get it done. Although he 281 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: could be doing his Trump thing where he's like, look 282 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 4: how scary it sounds. 283 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: Doesn't letting us buy it seem less scary? 284 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: Now? 285 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's a responsible way. 286 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 4: Of doing business. But he does not view these things 287 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: the same way I do. And we all knew that 288 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 4: this was part of the package, So I'm not exactly surprised. 289 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm sort of torn on who's in the 290 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 4: right here. But I'm not sure that Carney's new plan 291 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 4: for how this is going to go down it's gonna work, 292 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: because honestly, like if Canada doesn't want to be subordinate, 293 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: and and I don't mean this as a like a 294 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: veiled rhetoric, they have to militarize. Yeah, they have to 295 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 4: have a giant economy, they have to have the things 296 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: they currently do not have. How are they going to 297 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 4: have those? They're currently euthanizing large numbers of their population. 298 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they think that's like a good thing, a 299 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: good thing. 300 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I. 301 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: Don't know Canada. 302 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: Let's say you did. 303 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: We did a little Scott Bessent, but let's do the 304 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 4: CEO of Citadel to put a button on the Davos gathering, 305 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: just so you get several points of view from there. 306 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: Gave an idea of why perhaps the business community and 307 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: many people in America went toward Trump as a backlash 308 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: to the Biden administration policy. 309 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of that. 310 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 7: You cannot imagine how painful it was each and every 311 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 7: day under the bio administration to look at what new, 312 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 7: crazy proposal was being put into place to solve a 313 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 7: problem that didn't even exist. I mean, our constant friction 314 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 7: at Citadel with the government across unteen different aspects of 315 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 7: our business was exhausting. And to have that literally end 316 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 7: on one day, Election Day just gives you so much 317 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 7: energy as I'm sure to go back and build your 318 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 7: damn business. So the biggest sea change I've seen across 319 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 7: American executives has been just like the giant side relief. 320 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 7: I can now go and focus on building my business, 321 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 7: and that prior administration we happen to be a creditor 322 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 7: of Spirit. Their merger with Jet Blue was stopped spirits 323 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 7: and bankruptcy. Today, there were so many decisions that were 324 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 7: so poorly thought out in terms of economic consequences. It 325 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 7: cost the US economy dearly. I cannot emphasize that enough. 326 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 7: And so the Trump administration is making slow progress on 327 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 7: deregulation thus far, but the end of the regulatory onslaught 328 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 7: has been just an extraordinary boom for American business. 329 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean, the idea that Biden administration was the enemy 330 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: of a lot of these businesses, and we're seeing that 331 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: in smaller ways in California and in New York, where 332 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: these leftist governments are literally forcing these businesses out of 333 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: their states. The Citadel decision. Actually, they were a great example. 334 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: They moved to Florida during blast, you know, I don't know, 335 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: four or so years from Chicago, and when they left, 336 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: they left a giant gap in the Chicago business community 337 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: but also in the philanthropic community. 338 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 3: And it's a real big deal. 339 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 4: It's a real big deal. And one more note on 340 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: the NATO alliance. Ruta, who is the NATO Secretary General, 341 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: was on stage saying, do you think any of us 342 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: would have gotten to two percent spending on on defense 343 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: had it not been for Donald Trump? And so when 344 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: people tell me, and I am open to it, that 345 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: he's being reckless and messing with these relationships, I also 346 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 4: remember that I was wrong about it the first time around, 347 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 4: because getting those numbers up was important, and we are 348 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 4: now there. 349 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: So there's several different ways to look at this. 350 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that was a learning experience. 351 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: I think that the fact that we were wrong about 352 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: certain things about the Trump administration the first time around, 353 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 2: I think we're more careful about than necessarily criticizing. We're 354 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: not criticizing, because we've definitely still criticized on here, but 355 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: opposing his policy ideas and his bluster. 356 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: Sometimes the US to works. 357 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: European military spending going up is very good for them, 358 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: very good for us. 359 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 4: They can enjoy their Carney speech. But I was not 360 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: as impressed as many. 361 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're going to take a short break 362 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 2: and be right back and talk about more obvious things 363 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: that everyone knows but doesn't say. 364 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: Be right back. 365 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: All right. 366 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 4: We are back with perhaps a contrast to what we've 367 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 4: covered a bunch in the past, which is Minneapolis. 368 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: It's worth bringing up. 369 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 4: Memphis, which is a city where the federal government had 370 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 4: a bunch of folks go in to do law enforcement. 371 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 4: National Guard ICE there as well. And in Memphis they 372 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 4: took a very different approach than they took in Minneapolis. 373 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 4: The mayor there did not want ICE there, he didn't 374 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 4: want National Guard there, but he said, we do have this. 375 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: Large crime problem. 376 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 4: So if you're here, here's the people I want to 377 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 4: help you deal with gang bangers. 378 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: Real criminals, violent criminals. Make our city better. Let's do it. 379 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: And lo and behold, they did it. 380 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: So fighting crime works. 381 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: It turns out, yes, that having a an obvious presence 382 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: that fights crime brings down crime levels. Now, of course, 383 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 4: some of these statistics are a little bit hard to 384 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 4: attribute specifically to what, but basically everyone is in agreement, 385 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: even those who didn't want the presence. In Memphis, Yeah, 386 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 4: the violent crime rate has fallen precipitously compared to twenty 387 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: twenty four. The police chief says, we've had significant gains 388 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five and we hope to sustain that 389 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: by putting together a strategy that continues to keep crime 390 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 4: moving down. And the Memphis Mayor, Paul Jung said, for 391 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: the past two years, we've put in the work. We've 392 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 4: reached a historic low and serious crime by staying focused 393 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 4: on what matters in every community. 394 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: And by having a bunch of help. But look, we 395 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: keep saying that part of what puts this in a 396 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: really pitched environment in Minneapo is that there is no cooperation. 397 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: When there is cooperation, you have a very different picture. 398 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, right, And there's so 399 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: many videos now of Democrats talking about ice operations before 400 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: the Trump presidency and how they were super into it. 401 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: They did ride along so Obama's ice operations and they 402 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: were very, very pro what. 403 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: ICE was doing. 404 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: But then Donald Trump became president and that became not acceptable. 405 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, I think the idea that Democrats 406 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: are going to oppose ICE no matter what when it 407 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: clearly works for them to work with ICE it works 408 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: for their cities, They're only causing harm to their own people. 409 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 3: As usual. 410 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: This Mayor plugged ICE into multi agency task forces, pointed 411 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: them at the worst violent offenders, and when someone dangerous 412 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: was already sitting in jail, he handed them over quiet 413 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: custody transfers, maximum bad guys removed. Yeah, I mean that 414 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: seems like a good plan. 415 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: That's right. 416 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: It works. 417 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 2: It works to fight crime, It works to work together 418 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: to fight crime. 419 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 6: Do it? 420 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: Why not? 421 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 4: Another place it's working is on the Washington metro system. 422 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 4: So much like all large cities in America, DC tried 423 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 4: to commit suicide during COVID and just chased everyone out 424 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 4: and let everyone do whatever they wanted to do. And 425 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 4: the metro system, which had formerly been, if not super efficient, 426 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: quite clean and basically civilized, became really bad and much 427 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 4: more dangerous, and so people stopped writing it. And there's 428 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 4: a guy in charge who actually has made changes that 429 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: have worked, and one of those changes, wouldn't you know 430 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 4: it is to enforce the law. So what they did 431 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 4: is they started getting fair evaders in trouble. And what 432 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: they noted in that philosophy is not everyone who fair 433 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 4: evades commits crimes, but almost universally everyone who commits serious 434 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 4: crimes on the Metro is a fair evader. So if 435 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 4: you take care of that, you can change the nature 436 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 4: of your Metro system for people who are law abiding 437 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 4: and would like to write it. Metro says ABC seven 438 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 4: reports that in twenty twenty five it has its lowest 439 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 4: crime rate in at least twenty five years, with crimes 440 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 4: such as robbery, assault, and theft seeing especially large drops. 441 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: Metro's Board of directors asked the Metro Transit Police Department 442 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 4: chief and other officials about the drop at a board meeting. 443 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: Anyway, they have. 444 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 4: Done actually a commendable job, which I rarely say about 445 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 4: a DC based government entity. But it is safer to ride, 446 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: it is more pleasant to ride, and they did it 447 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 4: by punishing people broke the law. 448 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: I feel like that's such a good idea. They should 449 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: like give it a name, like maybe fixing broken windows something. 450 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: Maybe that's what they did in New York to bring 451 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: down crime. That's what Rudy Giuliani did in New York 452 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: in the nineteenth freaking nineties. And here we are thirty 453 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: years later with DC being like, you know what works, 454 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: What works is punishing people for smaller crimes before they 455 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: go on to commit bigger crimes, or taking them off 456 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: the streets for the smaller crimes before they go on 457 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: to commit the bigger crimes. 458 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we know, we know, but. 459 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 4: There's always there's always this attempt to rewrite history. Every 460 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: time it works, they say, well, that can't be the 461 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 4: thing that works because they don't think that's cool. And 462 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: it's like, well, no, that is what works. And by 463 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 4: the way, if you stop somebody from farravating, and maybe 464 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 4: it does stop them from a deeper involvement in crime, 465 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 4: great for that person as well, right, Like if they've 466 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 4: gone down for farravating and then it's a different story 467 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: for their life. 468 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: Hey, that's positive. 469 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, But I do think even while Washington is learning 470 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 4: this lesson, even while San Francisco said, hey, we might 471 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 4: have gone too far, Minneapolis, yeah there are city, and 472 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 4: now Virginia are like, I don't know, it seems like 473 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: maybe we should make crime legal, right. 474 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: What if there were no criminals? Wouldn't that be better? 475 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: We're rebranding the crimes. I don't think it's gonna work. 476 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna make quality of life worse for 477 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of people. 478 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: I feel like we're going to just keep learning the 479 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 2: same lessons that we learned thirty plus years ago, which 480 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: is fighting crime helps reduce crime. 481 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: I know it's a take. 482 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 2: It's a take, it's a complicated take, but it seems counterintuitive. 483 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: But it might work. 484 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: Yes, all right, We're going to take a short break 485 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: and come right back with a lighter story. Is it 486 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: a lighter story? Actually, I don't know. Family dysfunction. Maybe 487 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 2: not lighter, but funner, funner to discuss. Be right back, 488 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 2: we are back on normally where you know. I have 489 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: to admit when I lived in Scotland in the late nineties, 490 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: the Spice Girls came out and one of my worst 491 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 2: predictions ever I said, this is never going to hit 492 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: in America. 493 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: Incorrect. 494 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, other predictions I made at that time around then 495 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: was texting. Nobody's ever going to want to text. Everybody's 496 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: going to want to pick up the phone and make 497 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: phone calls. Oops, yeah, all right, don't trust me for predictions. 498 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: But Victoria Beckham, she was a spice girl and she's 499 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 2: gotten more and more in the news over the last 500 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: decade plus. There was a documentary about her relationship with 501 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: her soccer star husband David Beckham. She produced a line 502 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: of clothing that it was actually quite good makeup that 503 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: people actually liked. Usually celebrities make a bunch of crap 504 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: and nobody really likes it. They just buy it for 505 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 2: the name, but her stuff was considered fairly actually good. 506 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: Now she's in the news because her son, Brooklyn Beckham, 507 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: got married a few years ago and there's been a 508 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: very public rift. But it's really heated up in the 509 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: last few days. Catch us up on it, Mary Catherine. 510 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 4: Yes, So it began right with Victoria and David Beckham 511 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 4: are like this, these power couple, two thousand's power couple. 512 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 4: And then they have four beautiful children, and this family 513 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 4: is sort of like a packaged deal in the public 514 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 4: mind that you know, we've all seen these kids grow up. 515 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 4: And now Brooklyn, the oldest, goes off and gets married. Well, 516 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: he gets married to Nicola Peltz, who is a billionaire 517 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 4: heiress and actress and once that happens, there is friction 518 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: between the Beckham family of origin and Nicola and Brooklyn, 519 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: and the big question is whether Nikola is causing this 520 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 4: or Brooklyn is very much of his own volition separating 521 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 4: from his perhaps toxic, famous family. And he posted a 522 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 4: huge story on Instagram and everywhere statement about his family, saying, 523 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 4: I don't want to reconcile with them. Here's the many 524 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 4: things they've done wrong. They have wronged us in all 525 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 4: these ways, including most notably that during the first dance 526 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 4: at the wedding, his mother allegedly took over the first 527 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 4: dance and danced inappropriately with Brooklyn Beckham, her son, to 528 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 4: everyone's dismay, and that he will not be reconciling with 529 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 4: them period. 530 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: That's that's where it stands. And now everybody's trying to figure. 531 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 4: Out, like what's actually going on right here talking. 532 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, until there's tape, I'm not sure I believe that 533 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: of Victoria Beckham. I haven't seen Victoria Beckham dance inappropriately 534 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: ever in any setting, right. 535 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's funny because people are saying that she 536 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: generally dances inappropriately. But I watched some video of other 537 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: you know, times that they say that she danced inappropriately, 538 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: like there was a dance with her father that people 539 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: pointed to. 540 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: I didn't think she was doing anything. She was like offbeat, but. 541 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: I don't think she dances particularly well. Right. 542 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: That seems like a different criticism, And this. 543 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: Seems very over the line, like whatever you want to 544 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: say about your mom, first of all, don't, don't take 545 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 2: it to the public. 546 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: Don't. But second of all, like she danced sexy with you? 547 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 3: Is that what we're going with. 548 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 2: I really thought that I was pretty pro Brooklyn before. 549 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: I understand that his parents probably were overbearing and they 550 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: probably did maybe not treat the problems very that well. 551 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: Very strange family to grow up in. 552 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, yeah, but this did seem to me like 553 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: too much, too far. 554 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 4: I agree again, I am definitely more team Victoria. 555 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: I've always liked her. She not always liked her. 556 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 4: She actually in the past spice days, I thought this 557 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 4: is a person I will not end up liking. And 558 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 4: then over the years she's really grown on me. 559 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: She really has. Yeah, I can see that. 560 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 4: And so more team Victoria. I also just think that, 561 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 4: like putting this out there in this way is odd 562 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 4: that that criticism in particular is odd, and that it's 563 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: also sort of convenient that after having lived the NEPO 564 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 4: baby life right with your multimillionaire parents for all these years, 565 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 4: and having been quite vocally supported in all of your 566 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: endeavors by them, but as soon as you marry a billionaire, 567 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 4: you're like peace, I don't need you guys anymore. 568 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: I don't like that. 569 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't like that either, And it just 570 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 2: generally keep the family stuff off the media front page, 571 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: like there's no reason that we should be knowing all 572 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: of this about them, and it's been ongoing. This is 573 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: not new, This is like this, This like ongoing Becka 574 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: you know, Beckham Peltz family strife has been going on 575 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: for a very long time. It should be up to 576 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: the parents, I think, to kind of squash it, to 577 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: be the bigger people. But when the sun is behaving 578 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: like this in public, I don't know there's much. 579 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: That they could do. 580 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, my guess would be that the Beckham parents will 581 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 4: be chill about it and pretty classy. We will see 582 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 4: what happens. But I think people relate to it because, 583 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 4: like in law, strife is always things and joining two 584 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 4: families is tough, and so everyone can see part of 585 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 4: their experience in this, and so they're all trying to 586 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 4: game out who's that fault. 587 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: Do you take ahead to your own kids and how 588 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: you're going to be the best in law ever? 589 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: Because I do, Yeah. 590 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: And it's funny, Actually, it's funny. 591 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 4: You'll see people thinking about how they're going to be 592 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 4: the worst in law ever, and they'll be they'll be 593 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 4: openly choking about how they're going to. 594 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: Be that, and I'm like, well, that doesn't seem like 595 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: a wise decision. 596 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 597 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: Look, it's tough because somebody is marrying into your family 598 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 4: system might have a very different system. 599 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: And in the Beckham's case, she. 600 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 4: Has quite a bit of power because she doesn't need 601 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 4: the Beckham's systems, say, to serve her. 602 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: So they should, like, you should want that, right, They don't. 603 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: They don't want some gold digger who like is only 604 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: maturing him for the Beckham name. 605 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 3: She's clearly not. 606 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 4: So look, if all I know is if Victoria Beckham 607 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 4: were my mother in law, I would just enjoy that. 608 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: If David Beckham were my father in law, there's so 609 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: much here. 610 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we would have a lot of 611 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: fun together. 612 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: Let's stop blow this. Yeah, let's stop blow it up 613 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: just because she's not a great dancer. Just because she's 614 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: not a great dancer doesn't mean it was inappropriate. 615 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: Okay, Bright, leave Victoria Beckham alone, Leave Push Fights alone. 616 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us on normally. 617 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you could subscribe anywhere. 618 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: You get your podcasts. We've been reading your mail. 619 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: Get in touch with us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. 620 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally