1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kittie Kuric, and this is next question. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: For those of you who follow me on social media, 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: you probably know that I'm a brand new grandmother. My 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: first grandchild came into the world just a few weeks ago. 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: So exciting, right. 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: But also, yikes, where did the time go? 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so old. 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: When I think of grandparents, I think of Granny on 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: the Beverly Hillbillies. Daisy, you doll, you still got it 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: a regular shyen. But these days grandmothers, even if they 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: aren't that young chronologically, are much more active than they 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: used to be. I mean, did Granny on the Beverly 13 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: Hillbillies ever play pickleball? 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: But transitions like this, I find are best navigated with 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: some good advice from someone who's been there. My guest today, 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: Chris Jenner, has six kids and more than a dozen grandkids, 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: making her not only the matriarch but the grandmomager of 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: the entire Kardashian empire. Being a grandmother, she told me, 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: is her favorite thing ever. And as you'll hear, she 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: doesn't count sheep at night. She counts the grandkids she's 22 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: seen that day. Chris was a lot of fun to 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: talk to. We talked about a lot of things and 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: had a lot of fun doing it. So here's my 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: conversation with Chris Jenner. First and foremost, Chris Jenner, thank 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: you so much for doing this podcast, and I'm so 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: happy to see you and to talk to you about 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: a subject that is very near and dear to my heart. 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm about to become a grandmother for the first time. 30 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, congratulations. Thank you. That is very very 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: exciting and something that I'm sure if you're like me, 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: you look forward to. I mean I look forward to 33 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: it my whole adult life and thought, what is that 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: going to feel like, especially after you have kids, and 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: you think this is going to be you know, generational 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: and exciting. And I'm so happy for you. I am 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: so thrilled. 38 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean, was there a sentilla of you, Chris that 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: when you first became a grandmother you thought only bleep, 40 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm old enough to be a grandmother. You know. 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: I had a child at a very early age. I 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: got pregnant when I was twenty two and had Courtney 43 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: when I was twenty three. So I think being a 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: younger mom for some of my kids and a younger 45 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: grandmother for all of my grandkids, like you will be 46 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: not really, but thank you. Yeah, no, I think so. 47 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: I think that you know, in our when I was 48 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: growing up, didn't you think of grandma's as being kind 49 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: of older with gray hair, you know, like a different model. 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: Of course, I thought about Granny on the Beverly Hill building. 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, me too. She was great, by the way, 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, yeah, well we ever get that old. 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: But I think what happened to me when I first 54 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: heard that I was going to be a grandmother. I 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: remember we were filming our show, and Courtney and I 56 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: were in our store called Smooch at the time, which 57 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: is no longer there, but we were working and I 58 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: remember thinking, oh my god, I like what is happening? 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: And then I thought, what are they going to call me? 60 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: You know, you start thinking of what you want your 61 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: grandmother name to be, Like are they going to call 62 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: me grandma like I called my grandmother? Or do I 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: want to pick something? So when Mason was born, my firstborn, 64 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: who's now fourteen, he started calling me grandma, and then 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: some other kids, I don't know, maybe it was Kim 66 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: got pregnant, and then I thought of all these kids 67 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: running around calling me Grandma, grandma and grandma, and I thought, no, no, no, 68 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: we need to change the name. So Courtney and I 69 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: picked my name. I got to choose my name, which 70 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: is now Life, which I love. 71 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: But it makes me think of Thurst and Hell the 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: Third's wife on Gilligan's Island. 73 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: I forgot about her. 74 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 1: I relate everything to TV shows from the seventies. 75 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: Apparently I forgot. I know, I listen. I watched every 76 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: episode probably twelve times because we had like three networks 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: in those days. But exactly, I think my mom's one 78 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: of my mom's really good friends was named Lovey, and 79 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: I just remember when I was a little girl, thinking 80 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 2: that is the coolest, most beautiful name I'd ever heard. 81 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 2: And so that just popped into my mind when Courtney 82 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: said pick a name, That's what I picked. 83 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: So now, all thirteen of your grandchildren, by the way, yes, 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: Chris Jenner has thirteen grandchildren. Do they all call you 85 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: Lovey now, Chris. 86 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: Yes, they do. And their friends call me Levey, and 87 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: their friend's friends call me Levy. Everybody calls me Levey. 88 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: So it's very cute. That is cute. 89 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: I recently read an article and I think it was 90 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: all about baby boomers, for feet using to be called 91 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: grandma or granny or grandmother, because they just didn't want 92 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: to deal with those names because they associate it with 93 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: someone older. And of course baby boomers we never want 94 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: to even think that we've aged. So all these fun 95 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: names are popping up. And I've been trying to figure 96 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: out my name, And at first I was going to 97 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: be Chigi because my sister's Kiki. My late husband has 98 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: a sister named KK, So I was like, well, I 99 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: can't use either of those. Then I thought Gigi. Then 100 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: I realized everybody's Gigi, and then not to name drop. 101 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: But I was talking to Tory Birch at a party 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: and I said she has some step grandkids and I said, 103 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: what do they call you? And she said they call 104 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: me go Go And I said, that's really cute. 105 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: That is cute. 106 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: So I had a sweater made that said Gigi by 107 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: my friends at Lingua Franca. You know they do those 108 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: scripts on Kashmir sweaters. Yeah, And I asked my friend Rachelle, 109 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: I said, can you replace the eyes with o's? So 110 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about go Go. But then some people 111 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: are like, that's so dumb. I have a friend who said, 112 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: I hate that name. So I think you just have 113 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: to pick one and embrace it and you know, make 114 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: it your own. 115 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: Well, I also think, I mean, I had to think 116 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: about because I have so many kids, I had to 117 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: think about. Okay, a lot of kids potentially will be 118 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: calling me this, so you might, you know, be hearing 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: it all the time. So it's got to be something 120 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: that you really really like. Do you have a nickname 121 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: besides Katie? Not really? 122 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Katie is such a nickname. Yeah, some people 123 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: call me Couric my husband. Some people call me k C. 124 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: So I could be Casey. I guess, I don't know. 125 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: I just don't know. 126 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm very confused or oftentimes, like the child himself or herself, 127 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: ends up kind of naming you. I have a friend 128 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: whose husband who's got a lot of grandchildren like you, 129 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: Barbara antraconis Hey Barbara, and her husband is called Beep 130 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: Beep because when he was pushing his grandchild around on 131 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: a little plastic truck, she kept saying, Hey, Beep beep, 132 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: Hey beep beep. So that name stuck. So we'll see 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: what happens. But I'm very excited about it Lovey. Maybe 134 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: I'll steal Lovey, Chris, you could. 135 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: Steal Lovey, might be my guest. It would be my pleasure. 136 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you also just about your 137 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: phenomenal success, your work, kind of your upbringing, which I've 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: learned a lot about since I knew I was going 139 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: to be doing this podcast. But I did read that 140 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: you wanted to be a mom from a very very 141 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: early age, which makes me think you had a really 142 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: happy childhood and a wonderful mom. And I always feel 143 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: like people who have great parents are so lucky because 144 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: it does set you on a path for the rest 145 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: of your life. So tell me a little bit about 146 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: your childhood. I know you worked at your grandmother's candle shop, 147 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: I did, and you kind of developed your work ethic there. 148 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: But why was your maternal instinct so incredibly strong at 149 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: a very early age. 150 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: I just loved small kids, first of all. I don't 151 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 2: know why. I've always been drawn to children and kids, 152 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: and did have a very very happy upbringing and childhood. 153 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: And I felt like because my parents my mom was divorced, 154 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: so I had my stepdad when I was about thirteen, 155 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: and I always wished that I had an even bigger family. 156 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: For some reason, you know, one sibling was just not enough. 157 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: So I always dreamed about a huge, big family sitting 158 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: around of family dinner on Sundays. And you know, I 159 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: had this fantasy in my head. Who knows what happens 160 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: to us when we're that age. But by the time 161 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: I was sixteen, I knew that I really wanted to 162 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: have six kids. That was my number. And I remember, 163 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: I know this sounds nuts, but I remember driving from 164 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: my grandmother's my mother's store. They both had stores in 165 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 2: La Joia, and I was working for both of them 166 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: by the time I was sixteen and going back and forth, 167 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: and I remember driving home and as I was crossing 168 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: this one little bridge in the part of Lajoia going 169 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: onto the freeway, I thought, Okay, I think I need 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: to have six kids because on Christmas Eve, I want 171 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: a big group drinking hot chocolate, sitting around the fireplace, 172 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, talking about Santa. I don't know. I had 173 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: these fabulous fantasies and I thought, I'm really going to 174 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: have a big family and have all these family moments 175 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: and celebrate every single occasion I can possibly dream of. 176 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm curious too about you, as a career woman. We're 177 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: about the same age, and I think we represent almost 178 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: a transition from women in more traditional roles as you 179 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: know what my mom did. My mom volunteered for Planned 180 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: Parenthood and worked in the gift department of Lord and Taylor, 181 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: but she really didn't have a career. And then my 182 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: older sisters and I and my brother obviously, but we 183 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: really wanted careers. And your first job, I guess was 184 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: as a flight attendant for American Airlines. And when you 185 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: were growing up and coming of age, you know, this 186 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: was also right in the midst of second wave feminism. 187 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: Was a career something that you wanted because initially you 188 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: were a very traditional person, right. 189 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, my first job was actually working in the 190 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: corner donut shop up the street from my house when 191 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: I was about That would be very dangerous for me, Yeah, 192 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: well it was. And my job early in the morning 193 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: before school, I would take the scraper on a long 194 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: stick and I would scrape the glades off of the 195 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: floor from the day before. Oh god, and they would 196 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: the night before how glamorous. And they would oh yeah, 197 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: I made it look good, trust me. And they would 198 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: make the donuts, you know, late late in the middle 199 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: of the night, and then I'd come in and be 200 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: part of the cleanup crew and then go to school 201 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: on the bus in Claremont, and I just remember all 202 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: of that. Then after that, I was still working for 203 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: my grandmother and my mom, and then I became an 204 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: airline stewardess for American Airlines, and then from there I 205 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: got married and I got pregnant on my honeymoon, so 206 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: you know, it was time to go raise a family. 207 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: So that's kind of I think the entrepreneurial part. I 208 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: had so many chapters in my life that led up 209 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: to being fifty two years old and creating our reality 210 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: show for me and my family, and I think that 211 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: that's what's remarkable, is it kind of like being a 212 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 2: mom raising all these children and having all these jobs 213 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: and never I never wanted to stop. It was just 214 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: the work ethic came from my mom and my grandmother 215 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: and you know, being able to work. But I just 216 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: always assumed because my my role models were that's what 217 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: they did, had careers, and they loved what they did. 218 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: And I never thought for a second, you know, I 219 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: always enjoyed what I was doing, so I always, you know, 220 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: had a great attitude about going to work, and I 221 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 2: couldn't wait to go be a stewardess. And now they 222 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 2: call it a flight attendant. It's very proper, but those 223 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: days it was a stewardess and I could not wait 224 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: to be a career girl and do something that was 225 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: professional like that and that that was a big, big 226 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: step for me, and from there it just kept bleeding 227 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: into other things. But I think my role as a 228 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: mom was a huge career building chapter of my life, 229 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: even though I didn't realize it at the time, because 230 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: it just prepared me for everything. 231 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: Else after the break how Chris Jenner got much of 232 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: her business savvy for being a mom. If you want 233 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: to get smarter every morning with a breakdown of the 234 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: news and fascinating takes on health and wellness and pop culture, 235 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: wind up for our daily newsletter Wake Up Call by 236 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: going to Katiecuric dot com. Now for more of my 237 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: conversation with the one and only Chris Jenner, How did 238 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: your role as a mom? And then I want to 239 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: talk about some of your failures because I think people 240 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: see you, Chris, and they're like, she's brilliant, she's a genius. 241 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: And I think you're very open about the fact that 242 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: I've every idea you know, worked, and people always talk 243 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: about the huge successes but not the whiffs and the failures. 244 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: So let me start by asking what skills you really 245 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: gleaned from being a mom in terms of running a business. 246 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think work ethic is something that you really 247 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: have to learn and have experience from. You can't really 248 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: you can teach it in a way, but I think 249 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: to have the hands on experience of just learning, you know, 250 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: things from scheduling and from organizational skills and from multitasking 251 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: and from you know, when I was a flight attendant, 252 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: it wasn't you just don't show up on an airplane 253 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: and you know, willy nilly start, you know, bouring cups 254 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: of coffee. You you know, you have to go to 255 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: a flight attendant school in Dallas for weeks and weeks 256 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: and learn how to do what it is that you know, 257 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: their menu of things that they want to teach you. 258 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: But it's also about you know, having responsibility, being somewhere 259 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: on time, learning how to save lives if there's an emergency. 260 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: Right. 261 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: It's pretty serious business, really yeah, And it's keeping a 262 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: really crazy schedule. 263 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: You know. 264 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: One of the things that I love to tell my 265 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: kids is when I was a flight attendant. We would 266 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: get up at whatever, you know, it was crazy hours 267 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: and flying around the world. But it was so long 268 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: ago that the minute the plan took off, every single person, 269 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: the little light on the plane above your seat would 270 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: go off and it was the smoking light. And if 271 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: the light went off, you could start smoking, and person 272 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: on the plane, including every flight attendant, would light up 273 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: and you just see the whole And now to think 274 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: about that now it makes my skin crawl. Right, everyone 275 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: would light up and you would just be sitting there 276 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: in a big you know, govin. 277 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: And then Chris they had the smoking section, which was 278 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: such a joke. R you know, the seats to the 279 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: middle to the back of the plane and it's like seriously. 280 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean it was just when I think 281 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: back on some of the experiences I've had in my 282 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: life and just where I you know, kind of the 283 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: jobs and then the flight attendant, but then mom, I 284 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: think was my most important job. But it was also 285 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: something where I learned. Everything that I talk about today 286 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: is probably based on, from you know, consumer behavior to 287 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: how to give a birthday party, to taking care of 288 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: children first aid one oh, one education just so much. 289 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: It's just so many things about raising a family that 290 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: prepares you for yet another chapter or another lifetime. And 291 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: I think that when you learn how to navigate the 292 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: problems and the challenges and the joy of raising a family, 293 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: you learn how to navigate a lot of other things 294 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: that you're not even aware of until they happen. 295 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that the you know, the responsibilities 296 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: of being a mother, really being the CEO of a 297 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: household are often undervalued in the business world because you 298 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: also learn how to make decisions things like time management. 299 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: You have to figure out how to be collaborative because 300 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: you're collaborating with a bunch of kids. So well, I 301 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: was like a drill sergeant. Basically, there was really no 302 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: negotiation with my timeline. So it's like you woke up 303 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: at this time, You've got dressed, you went downstairs, You've 304 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: got your homework ready, put it into your thing, had 305 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: your breakfast, got in the car. 306 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: You know, we all drove to school. There was a 307 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: schedule and it was very tightly followed at all times. 308 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 2: Chloe's very much like I am, or I was when 309 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: I was that age. Oh yeah, you better believe it, 310 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: you know, Chop Chop was was my middle name. So 311 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: I mean, know, I great importance that I really stressed 312 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: on sticking to a schedule, and I think I learned that, 313 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, and then I took that into the next 314 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: chapter of my life. But I also had the great 315 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: advantage of my husband, Robert, who surrounded himself and was 316 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: in this you know world of executives and figureheads and 317 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 2: studio heads and you know, and I would sit in 318 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: and even if I was just listening or in the 319 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: next room almost through like osmosis, you know, be in 320 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: on all these business meetings for almost two decades, right, 321 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,239 Speaker 2: So when you learn you sit in on meetings, you 322 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: happen to be on a business trip, you know, where 323 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: everyone's talking business. Sometimes you're you know, half in the conversation, 324 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: or you're talking to some you know, one of the 325 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: girls that happened to be at the table. But I'm 326 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: always listening with two ears, you know. So it was 327 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: just fascinating for me to be a mom during the day, 328 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: put my kids to bed, and then so we were 329 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: you know, everyone was socializing in the eighties. You know, 330 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: it's seventy eight and you know, Monday nights would be 331 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: you know Morton's. You know, everybody would go to Morton's restaurant, 332 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: and you know, it was just these wonderful opportunities that 333 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: would pop up, and I was lucky enough to be 334 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: a part of them and to be had a very 335 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 2: privileged life of being able to meet and get to 336 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: know people that were very successful. And I think you 337 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: absorbed that. 338 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I should mention Chris that your husband, Robert Kardashian, 339 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: I know you all split up in nineteen ninety one, 340 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: but he was a very high powered I guess entertainment lawyer, right. 341 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: Yes, an entertainment lawyer, that's correct. 342 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: And of course I met him during the OJ trial, 343 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: and my husband, who was covering the OJ trial, met him, 344 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: and he was just a very very nice person. He 345 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: was so sort of very low key and understated, but 346 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: I think he became kind of a household name actually 347 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: during the OJ Simpson trial. So that was just sort 348 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: of interesting. And then before we talk about sort of 349 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: your time as a single mom, well this might actually 350 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: intersect with that, but you have said you came up 351 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: with all these ideas and a lot of them didn't work. 352 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned the shop that you all have that is 353 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: no longer there. I'm curious if you can just go 354 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: back and tell us some of the ideas you had 355 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: before you were in your early fifties and things blew 356 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: up for you and your kids. 357 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: There's lots of things that we did over the years. 358 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about some of them. I know 359 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: that when we launched the stores, I decided to kind 360 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: of follow in my mom's footsteps. And I thought, my 361 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: mom's been so successful with her children shop in La Joya. 362 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: And when I mean successful, I mean just emotionally and 363 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: financially all of it. You know, she was happy fulfilled 364 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: by that. Yeah, yeah, she was really It filled her 365 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: cup and she really loved what she was doing. And 366 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: I thought, I love retail so much, and I love 367 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: children's clothes. I have, you know at the time, all 368 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: these kids, and I thought maybe I'll do that. So 369 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: I told Courtney I was going to start a children's 370 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: store in Calabasas, and I said, do you want to 371 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: be my partner? And she immediately said yes. And then 372 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: later the girls opened a like a woman's clothing store 373 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: next door called Dash. But what happened to Courtney and 374 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: I was we were doing really well and when we 375 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: started the show in that was in two thousand and four. 376 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven came around and we started our 377 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: show and it got so overwhelming with tourists in our 378 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: store that nobody was buying anything. They were just coming 379 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 2: to check out what was happening. So we had to 380 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: close the store, or the store that we had. Courtney 381 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: and I had a back door so we would if 382 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: it got really crazy, we could go out the back 383 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: door and have a break or take off. And then 384 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: people realized that what we were doing, so you know, 385 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: it just became a little crazy. So yeah, so that 386 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: just didn't pan out. But and then this, you know, 387 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: the show took off. So the rest is kind of history. 388 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: But the stuff in between, I think we were throwing 389 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: spaghetti at the wall a lot when we first started 390 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: our show because we were given so many opportunities suddenly, 391 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: and we were really trying to connect with an audience 392 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: who at the time there was no Instagram, there was 393 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: no Snapchat, there was no TikTok, none of those platforms 394 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: were alive, and it was there was barely Twitter, and 395 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 2: so we started, you know, really focusing on how can 396 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how long this show is going to last? 397 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: But how can we take advantage of this amazing opportunity 398 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: and trying to find you know, my my I felt 399 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: like my job as a mom and I put this 400 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: on myself. It's not like I read it in some 401 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 2: book or anything, but I just decided that what I 402 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: wanted for myself and my children was to be able 403 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: to help them identify what they wanted to do with 404 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: their lives. Aside from a TV show that who knew 405 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 2: what you know? 406 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it's pretty unreliable. You never know, but you 407 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: really wanted them to find their passion and transform it 408 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: into a business. 409 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: Right, that's right. So that's what I focused on. So 410 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: that involved a lot of you know, slapping a bunch 411 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: of spaghetti on the wall and trying different things. And 412 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: so I really loved those years in some ways because 413 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: we grew and we learned and we got smarter because 414 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: you know, you try new things and you talk to 415 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: lots and lots and lots of people, and it's been 416 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: a great journey. 417 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: I work with my husband John at a media company 418 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: we started about six years ago, and you know, working 419 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: with your family, or combining family and people you love 420 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: with business can sometimes be a little I don't know, 421 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: trying at times, and I'm curious how you're able to 422 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: stay so close as a family, but also when you 423 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: disagree on business things or you have different styles of 424 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: getting things done, how challenging has that been for all 425 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: of you? 426 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, the good news is at 427 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: the end of the day, we love what we do 428 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: and we do it together. So that's the beauty. I mean, 429 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: it truly is the best gift I've ever been given. 430 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: And I got back from doing interviews this morning and 431 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: I walked into my kitchen and Chloe was here because 432 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: she lives next door. And then we'll work together later 433 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: this afternoon. And you know, it's just always we all 434 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: live nearby, we all live near each other, and we 435 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 2: all are connected all day long. I know, Kendall is 436 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: getting on plane this morning to go do a photo 437 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: shoot in another city, and I text her and all 438 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 2: we're talking about is like last night's Bachelor, Like would 439 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: you think would like when you think about this, we're all, 440 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 2: you know, so when we're not the point is when 441 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 2: we're not together, we're still together. So we you know, 442 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: we're kind of obsessed with one another. But as far 443 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: as the business side of it. There's always going to 444 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: be disagreements. There's always going to be a difference of opinion, 445 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: or they're going to be very strong about something that 446 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: I disagree with, you know, like I'll say I need 447 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: you to do it like this, and they'll say, no, 448 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: this is I'm not doing that, but I'll do this, 449 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: and you know, so there's always a little bit of 450 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: a dance, and I thank God every day for when 451 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: it goes really smoothly. But you know, with this many 452 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: people and it's a lot of incoming, so there's a 453 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: lot of decision making and I've just learned to you know, 454 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: it takes a village. So I have a great team 455 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: and and you know, we all have our gift with 456 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: each other. So I think it's depending on what it is. 457 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: It's who's going to talk to Like who's going to 458 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: talk to Kim about this and then I'll do it 459 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: or you know somebody else. 460 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: Do you all ever have big fights, like family feuds 461 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: where you don't talk for a few days or you 462 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: have to cool down. I mean, it can all be 463 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: flowers and lollipops and rainbows all the time. Right. 464 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: The last really big argument I think anybody had was 465 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: probably Kim and Courtney a couple of years ago. But honestly, 466 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 2: if we don't agree, we've resolved it by the end 467 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: of the day. I don't think there's ever a time 468 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: when I have ever gone to bed. I feel like 469 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: they're all my spouses, you know, like we don't we 470 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: don't go to bed angry. So and we resolve things 471 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 2: pretty quickly and we all get on the phone. And 472 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: Kim is such a great negotiator, should be seriously professional. 473 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: She is going to law school, so maybe she'll. 474 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 2: She's gonna be very good at it because she could 475 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 2: be a mediator. She is the best mediator. So you know, 476 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: when things get really rough, we just all called Kim, Kim, 477 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: I'll fix it. But you know, as the mom, everything's 478 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: my fault. You know, everything in life is my fault. 479 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: So you know, sometimes that's how you feel, and you 480 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 2: just have to say, Okay, how I'm going to deal 481 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 2: with this being my fault today? Oh am, I going 482 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: to fix it. So but it's it's great. It's great 483 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: joy and that I can honestly say, I feel like 484 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: the luckiest girl in the world because I get to 485 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: work with them. 486 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: Well, you all have created an unbelievable empire. Really, is 487 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: there any part of you that's like, holy cow, how 488 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: did this happen? Because we were talking about really extraordinary 489 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: wealth Chris as you know, and if you didn't grow 490 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: up that way, that's something you sort of have to 491 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: adjust to and becomes a big responsibility, right. 492 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: It is a big responsibility. Did you have any struggles 493 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: with that? I mean, you know, listen, I think with 494 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: a lot of greatness comes a lot of responsibility, whether 495 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: it's greatness in opportunity or financial or you know, just 496 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 2: being really you know, we have a big voice. And 497 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: when you have a lot, we have probably as a 498 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: family over a billion followers. You know, that's Kylie has 499 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: more people following her than people in the United States. 500 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: That's insane. That's insane. It's really insane. And I think 501 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: about that and I think, Okay, this is a huge responsibility. 502 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: With such a big, you know, voice that you have, 503 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: that you can potentially do, you know, hopefully a lot 504 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: of good. And I think that the girls are very philanthropic. 505 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: They don't always talk about what they do, but I'm 506 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: proud of them for all those efforts, and I'm just 507 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: proud of the way they handle themselves and what they 508 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: put out there in the world. But what I love 509 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: most about them is they love to be They love 510 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: to be working, They love to be doing what they do. 511 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: They love to have their schedule full, and you know, 512 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: their meetings and their shoots and they're filming, and they're 513 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: always you know, looking at other projects and things to do. 514 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: And I mean I get their schedules every night and 515 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: then again every morning because things change, and we're always 516 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: you know, if I'm negotiating a deal or putting another 517 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: business together, you know all of that. I'm I'm working 518 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: at my office most days and filming my show, and 519 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: then the girls are, you know, working on all their stuff. 520 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: But it's we organize it and we schedule it, and 521 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: there's a team of us. There's a business strategist and 522 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: published you know, publicists, attorneys and all of that. So 523 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: it's a big operation. And I think when you focus 524 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: on all the positive things that can come out of it, 525 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: then that's where I'm most comfortable. You know, I feel 526 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: like really proud of what all of us are doing, 527 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: and how hard the girls are working, and how creative 528 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: they are, and the level of expertise that they bring 529 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: to each thing that they do, and then combined with 530 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: their work ethic, it's kind of the perfect storm. You 531 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: really are the CEO of Kardashian Inc. And I know 532 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: that keeps you incredibly busy. 533 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: But I'm going to go back to social media in 534 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: a moment because it's something I'm really interested in. But 535 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about your grandkids. So thirteen of them, just 536 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: tell me what is it like being a grandparent. 537 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: What should I expect? Well, I think, you know, I 538 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: always wish I had more time, so I think expect to. 539 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I crave seeing my grandkids. Thank goodness that 540 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: Chloe lives next door, because I know that I'm guaranteed 541 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: to see those two little dolls every day, hopefully. And 542 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: if I am inside all day for some reason or 543 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: running from here to my office, you know, and I'm 544 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: at my office all day. When I come home, they 545 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: know that i'm home because we share a driveway, and 546 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: I get to see them, and you know, yesterday I 547 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: was at Kylie's and I got to see Stormy and Air. 548 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: And so I go to bed every night thinking, Okay, 549 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: how many kids did I get to see today. That's 550 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: kind of like my little you know, treat I give myself. 551 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: It's just it's like counting sheep, I count grandkids. But 552 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: I think what you have to look forward to is 553 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 2: probably some of the best, most delicious years of your 554 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: life because you get to share, you know, this amazing 555 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: relationship and sometimes it's really funny. I have so many 556 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: but I'll go through They go through this period where 557 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: they aren't as lovey dovey like at about eighteen months 558 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: as I wish they were, and then all of a sudden, 559 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: when you know, six months later, they won't stop, you know, 560 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: calling your name or being right there. You yeah, you like, 561 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: it's the best thing in the world. So I think 562 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: I really crave the hugs and the conversation now that 563 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: some of them are, you know, old enough. Rocky Portney's 564 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: baby was just born a couple months ago. But Mason, 565 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: my oldest, is fourteen. But what I did was I 566 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: told Mason on his bar mitzvah that I would buy 567 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 2: him a car when he was sixteen if I felt 568 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: really confident and I could have proof that he's never 569 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: done any drugs or alcohol or anything like that, and 570 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: if he was sixteen and we could come and he was, 571 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: I promised Levy I promise and then yeah, what happens 572 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: is my kids kept, you know, keep having kids. So 573 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: now I have a feeling I'm going to be kind 574 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: of on the hook for thirteen cars. Yeah, I guess. 575 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: So nobody does any drugs or alcohol. So that's kind 576 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: of like you make little deals with them, and I 577 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: think it's really fun to have a date with some 578 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: of my grandkids, Like Penelope and I will go to dinner. 579 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: You know, she likes to go to They all love 580 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: to go to Target or you know, Costco or Walmart. 581 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 2: They love to go, you know, get some goodies. And 582 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: so we'll take them shopping or do something fun. They 583 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: love to go to dinner. And I said to one 584 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: of my kids the other day, I said, you know, 585 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: if I took every grand kid out to dinner once 586 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: a month, that would take up the month. Think about that, 587 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm like. 588 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: But it's so nice that you're able to spend quality 589 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: time with them as individuals. I hear a lot of 590 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: my contemporaries saying don't tell your kids how to parent, because, 591 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: especially with this current generation of parents, I've been told 592 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: they're much more rigid than we were as parents, and 593 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: that they are very, very on schedule very specific. Do 594 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: you ever have conflicts with any of your kids about 595 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: the way they're parenting theirs. 596 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: I always speak my mind, like by you know, when 597 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: you feel like making a comment or offering unsolicited advice. 598 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure I annoy them constantly, my kids, not my grandkids, 599 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 2: but my kids, because I'm always giving advice or we 600 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: send things to each other. I send so many things 601 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: like on DM and I'll send them a real or 602 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: I'll send them, you know, some tip I've learned or 603 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: did you hear about this has too much sugar in it, 604 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 2: and you know you can't eat as poisoned. So I'm 605 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: sure my kids think I'm a whack adoodle, but they 606 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: are very respectful and probably pretend to appreciate my advice. 607 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: That's nice, because I think it is a source of 608 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: conflict for a lot of grandparents and their kids. 609 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: I've been told, oh no, I'm annoying to every degree. 610 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: Like I just speak my mind and I'll call them 611 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: up and go now, I really don't think you know. 612 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 2: And then you know, I think my kids are just 613 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: as verbal. Like Courtney'll come over to my kitchen and 614 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: she'll just take all of my stuff out of my 615 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: kitchen that isn't healthy to cook in or to store 616 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: food in, and it's just in the trush can. And 617 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, did you throw all my tupperwear away? And 618 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: She'll go, yeah, I did. She's just trying to save 619 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: you from forever chemicals. Oh I know, I know. 620 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 621 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 2: So anyway, that's how we are with each other. You know, 622 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: we're very very close family. I guess you could call it. 623 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: When we come back raising grandchildren and a world that, 624 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: to be honest, has gotten pretty scary now more with 625 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: the Kardashian in chief Chris Jenner, I wanted to ask 626 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: you about you know, I worry about this next generation 627 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: of children. The world is such a scary place. There's conflict, 628 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: there's polarization, there's global warming, and you know it does 629 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: be ill pretty doom and glooms sometimes. And I'm curious 630 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: about two things. One is screen time. Is that something 631 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: that you all as a family think about, because you 632 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: know it has a lot of negative effects on kids. 633 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: They're spending all their time looking at phones or iPads 634 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: and playing games and restaurants, and you know, I think 635 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: it's it's making them. 636 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: Have you know, it's not developed social skills. 637 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: Not be able to have conversations, not be outside as 638 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: much as they used to like it. 639 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: It feels like life was so much easier, Chris. 640 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: When you and I because we're I think an age, 641 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: we're one year apart when we were growing up. And 642 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: even my daughter Ellie, who's having the baby, says, mom, 643 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: I wish I grew up in the seventies when there 644 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: was no social media, because it really has transformed the 645 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: childhood experience for so many kids. So is it something 646 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: that you think about with your own grandchildren, especially because 647 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: you all have built this huge empire really because of 648 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: social media. So do you have a slightly you know, 649 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: schizophrenic feeling about it? 650 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: You know, Listen, social media is such a double edged sword. 651 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 2: For sure. It's a great business tool. It's a great 652 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: way to connect with people that you love. It's a 653 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 2: great way to look at a fashion show, you know 654 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 2: in Paris last week, when all the shows were going 655 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: on and you could just pick up your phone and 656 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: go on Instagram and look at the shows. 657 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: But by the way, and as a journalist, Chris, I 658 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: try to use it to give people accurate information to 659 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: help them understand this increasingly complex world around us. 660 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: Right you can learn so much, but at the same time, 661 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 2: it's so dangerous. And what I get really worried about 662 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 2: are my grandchildren, and they're because they're so young and 663 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: they're so impressionable, and just the amount of bullying that 664 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 2: goes on on social media is so tragic for this 665 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 2: younger generation and even us as adults. Yes, you know 666 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 2: all the eight on the internet from people that you know, 667 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 2: people have never met before, or complete strangers saying the 668 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 2: craziest things about everybody you know that you could possibly imagine. 669 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: So it's just a shame that, you know, we as 670 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 2: humans feel like it's okay too to be that crazy 671 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 2: on the Internet. I can't imagine going on someone's account 672 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: or page or going on where they can see something 673 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: and criticizing or making a horrible statement about somebody. 674 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh it's awful, and people don't realize, like you're actually 675 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: a huge there's a human on the other end of 676 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: those comments and even if you don't look at them. 677 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: Or and even the suicide rate. 678 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: Yes, oh yes, in fact, I know that the suicide 679 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: rate for young girls has increased Chris one hundred and 680 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: sixty seven percent since twenty ten, and experts really point 681 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: at social media as the causation for that increase. You know, 682 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: it's not a correlation necessarily, it's actually behind depression and anxiety, 683 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: especially for young girls. So how do you help navigate 684 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: that with your children and your grandchildren? Are they not 685 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: allowed to use iPhones until they get to a certain age? 686 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,479 Speaker 1: Is their screen time monitored? How do you teach them 687 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: to be resilient when people do say such mean, ugly things? 688 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: I mean, how how are you raising a child in 689 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: the era of modern media and technology? Right? 690 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, they have restricted screen time. They 691 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 2: don't have phones until there's certain age. What age do 692 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: you mind if I ask you what age? It's different 693 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 2: for every one of my children. They have babysitters that 694 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 2: will have a phone that obviously if they're out with 695 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 2: the kids and have an emergency things like that. But 696 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 2: the kids don't have phones. Mason has a phone, North 697 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: has a phone. I don't know if she's even allowed 698 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 2: to do certain you know, they're restricted, right, So for example, 699 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 2: I know my granddaughter True has an iPad with some 700 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 2: of her favorite cartoons on it. You know, they're very restricted, 701 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,479 Speaker 2: and they're edited so that they're you know, they're only 702 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 2: watching what their moms and dads want them to watch. 703 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 2: And there's no real social media on there obviously yet. 704 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 2: And I don't know at what age they'll be introduced 705 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 2: to that, you know, other than Mason and North and 706 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 2: p but the other kids are too young yet. But 707 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 2: you know, I know that they like. My grandson, Saint 708 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 2: loves soccer, so he loves to watch. If he's out 709 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 2: and about, his mom will turn on a soccer game, 710 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 2: and you know, appropriate things. You know that the moms 711 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 2: or the parents let them watch. When I'm with them, 712 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 2: we don't even have that. We don't even go on 713 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 2: social media or or we're not on a phone if 714 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 2: we're all out and about. But I think that we 715 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 2: just have to be really careful about, you know, the 716 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 2: appetite that they create over some of this stuff. And 717 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is habit, right, So 718 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 2: I think we just have to be careful, and you 719 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 2: have to decide within your own family what's appropriate and 720 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 2: what's not for you know, your situation. But for us 721 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 2: it's you know, it's just it can be very negative. 722 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 2: So you really have to be watchful and create boundaries 723 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 2: for your you know, what's appropriate for your own I 724 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 2: know that. I hear my grandkids a lot. If they're 725 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 2: negotiating with their mom about something, you know, one of 726 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 2: them might say, oh, please, can I have some extra 727 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 2: screen time? So they have very limited, controlled amounts of 728 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 2: screen time. They're allowed to go on and play their 729 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 2: games or whatever they're you know, watching, but it's it's monitored, 730 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 2: so we're pretty careful about it. I think I think 731 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 2: with the girls, they try to be good role models 732 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,760 Speaker 2: and really, you know, be good moms, and I'm. 733 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: Really proud of I think they're very lucky to have you, 734 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: as you're clearly I think the glue that's holding I 735 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: mean not that they're not impressive individually, but you're the 736 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: glue that is holding everyone and everything together. 737 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 2: It seems just. 738 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: In closing, how many grandchildren do you think you're going 739 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: to have, Chris by the time all is said and done. 740 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow wow wow. Well Kendall will hate me 741 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 2: for saying this, but I want Kendall to have one 742 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 2: because she's the only one of my kids that doesn't 743 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 2: have a child, so that would be really exciting. But 744 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 2: I don't I'm trying to think. I think if I 745 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 2: were to guess, I don't think I think Kim and 746 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 2: Courtney might be done. They each have four. That's a lot. 747 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 2: That is a lot, gosh, right, and Kylie, Kylie and 748 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 2: Chloe have two, and Rob has one and Kendall has none. 749 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 2: So I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine. 750 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 2: These days. 751 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: Your house must be very fun at Christmas time, and 752 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward per Oh my. 753 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 2: Gosh, it's the best. I can't do. You know. I 754 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 2: just started Christmas shopping, really I did. I finished Easter baskets. 755 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 2: It's March, Chris, I know, and I'm so excited. I 756 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 2: can't help myself. It's my favorite time of the year. 757 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 2: So I'm just pretending like you know, it's time. 758 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: It must be very re energizing and must make you 759 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: feel like a new person to see life through the 760 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: eyes of a child, And that's what I'm excited about. 761 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 1: And I'm excited about the quality time I get to 762 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: spend with a little person. I don't have to necessarily, 763 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: although I want to be helpful. I'm going to be 764 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: in New York and Ellie's in LA But you know, 765 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: just to take a child again and to explore things 766 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: and learn things and discover things, I think it makes 767 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: you feel like you're discovering the world all over again. 768 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,439 Speaker 1: So I'm really looking forward to that. And we don't 769 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: know whether it's a little boy or a little girl, 770 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: which is also very exciting. And I know you've got 771 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: to go, and I want to be so respectful of 772 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: your time, But did you know what your kids were 773 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: having or what your children were going to be? 774 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 2: I did not know what my children were going to 775 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 2: be at all until I had Kendall. And when I 776 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 2: had Robert, they told me. Actually, Paul Crane was my 777 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 2: obg Wyane at the time, and I was in the 778 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 2: delivery room and he said, listen, I know you have 779 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 2: three girls, and I know you really want a boy, 780 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 2: but this is probably a girl. My feeling is after 781 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 2: that last ultrasound, it's a girl. And so instead of 782 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,919 Speaker 2: you know, having a breakdown because I really wanted a boy, 783 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 2: and all the Armenian you know, people wanted a boy 784 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 2: from day one. From Courtney they thought Courtney was a boy, 785 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 2: then Kimberly and the Clay. They kept having all these girls, 786 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 2: and we started picking out names, and it was Saint 787 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,959 Speaker 2: Patrick's day, so I said, let's name her Kelly. Kelly 788 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 2: Kardashian and that'll be the little nod to the Irish 789 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 2: side of me. And so out came Rob. So we 790 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 2: were so excited. And then by the time I got 791 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 2: around to having Kendall, they had amniocentesis and I was older, 792 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 2: I was forty and I was forty one when I 793 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 2: had Kylie, and I knew with Kylie. But my grandkids, 794 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 2: I think we knew all of them what they were 795 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 2: going to be boys or girls. 796 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: I think most people find out now, but it is 797 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: one of life's last big surprises. So I'm sort of 798 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 1: excited that we don't know, and I, for the life 799 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: of me, cannot figure it out. Everyone's saying what do 800 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: you think? And I'm like, I have no idea, And 801 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: I say to Ellie, what do you think? She said, 802 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: I have no idea. 803 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 2: So it'll be really exciting when the baby's born. That's 804 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 2: so exciting. When is when does she do? Pretty soon? 805 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: But I told her, enjoy these final days because you're 806 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 1: going to be very busy and probably have a lot 807 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: of sleepless nights pretty soon. 808 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 2: So that's right, that's good advice. Don't rush you, grandma advice. Well, 809 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 2: let me know what you decide on your name I'm 810 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 2: excited to hear what they're going to call you. Yeah, 811 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,479 Speaker 2: I'm excited too. And if you hate love, I'm good 812 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 2: with that. Okay. 813 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: Well, Chris, thank you and thanks for all the great advice, 814 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: and thanks for sharing a little bit about your life 815 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: and your work and your kids. It's fun to have 816 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: this conversation. I really appreciate you doing the podcast. 817 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie. Thank you for having me. I really 818 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 2: appreciate it. It was fun talking to you. Thanks for listening. 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