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Speaker 1: Welcome back to More to It to show that takes

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Speaker 2: That dude over here.

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Speaker 1: Is filling water right when they were saying three two one,

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Speaker 1: I'm over here trying to chug a look and uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just missed the whole aw man, all love in

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Speaker 2: Let's talk through it with what's up with that dude?

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Speaker 2: First of all, what's up with that dude is always

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Speaker 2: That said, let's talk about what else I did yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday I had.

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Speaker 1: A nice lunch meeting with a friend, Slash, a huge

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Speaker 1: manager in the entertainment business, specifically music business. Right he

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Speaker 1: has one of the biggest artists in the world, which

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Speaker 1: I could say his name, but he ain't doing that

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Speaker 1: no more.

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Speaker 2: That's why we had lunch. So he gave up being

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Speaker 2: a manager, I guess because.

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Speaker 1: He has a TV show out and he won to

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Speaker 1: do a show a podcast, So he just picked my

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Speaker 1: brain because it was my boy, Slash, a business friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, and we just talked through the beats of

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Speaker 1: what I do every single day and how he can

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Speaker 1: do it. No lie, y'all. When his stuff come out.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell y all about it because he' gonna

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Speaker 1: have his permission. He'd be talking. He is born to

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Speaker 1: do this, So I'm looking forward to him making that transition.

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Speaker 2: Much love.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of transitions, and I'm the king of transitions, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the rookie Anthony Richardson, who is now asked

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Speaker 1: to make a transition from college to not only the pros,

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Speaker 1: man he got named at this week, Sir Richardson's we

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Speaker 1: know what he is?

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Speaker 2: Fourth overall draft pick. Damn, that's that dough.

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Speaker 1: Well you imagine all these kids that running around here,

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Speaker 1: Pop Warner High School.

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Speaker 2: All that college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yah, yeah, number four overall, Baby, I know number

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Speaker 1: one overall got a whole different ring to it.

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Speaker 2: But dog, three dudes in your whole class got drafted higher.

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Speaker 1: You you fourth overall? That's who he is. Well, now

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be the starter this season.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: It comes after he played against the Buffalo Bills on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We watched that? Did we watch that? We catch it? Well?

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Speaker 1: It was only his fourteenth start since his final season

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Speaker 1: the East Side High School in Gainesville, Florida.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, Gainesville and east Side.

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Speaker 1: I know that school was lit as they say, and

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Speaker 1: he went seven to twelve sixty seven yards and one

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Speaker 2: Who cares?

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Speaker 1: But he played against Buffalo? Now why were the coats

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Speaker 1: he composed himself, which matters, right, because all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the lights are bright, the bullets alive, and everything that

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Speaker 1: you're learning you actually have to not only consume, you

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Speaker 1: have to process, but now you got to project it.

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Speaker 2: You got to put it out there for the world

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Speaker 1: Ain't no more like, oh yeah, do he do an

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Speaker 1: So they like the way he composed himself, despite throwing

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Speaker 1: with two consecutive drives that both reached Buffalo territory. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know y'all thinking like whatever, holler at me when

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Speaker 1: he scored. I'm like, dog, all these are baby steps.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget man, He's just getting out the crib. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the NFL, experience.

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Speaker 2: You gotta crawl before you walk.

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Speaker 1: So Richardson said he never saw it coming. Quote, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I was shocked. He said, he'd been in competition with

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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew and you know how that is. That's a

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Speaker 1: the man number four. Overall, you know your time is coming,

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Speaker 1: but you don't know exactly when it's going to come.

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Speaker 2: Well, now they reached that decision who the starter.

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Speaker 1: Is, and the coach can now taylor the offense, the

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Speaker 1: reps in practice, especially all towards Anthony.

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Speaker 2: And here's what coach said.

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Speaker 1: He said, Anthony's just been progressing the growth he's shown.

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Speaker 1: Then obviously going to the Buffalo, playing against a lot

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Speaker 1: for him to get a lot more with the starters

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Speaker 1: moving forward and we go from there. So he informed

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Speaker 1: coach is, he informed them in a meeting this week

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Speaker 1: Minshoe and Richardson. According to Richson, then they went on

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Speaker 1: a two hour conversation, him and coach about what comes next. Like,

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Speaker 1: all right, doll, I know number four overaw, I can

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Speaker 1: tell all this attention. I'm getting all the spotlights on

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Speaker 1: me now I'm the man. Hey, dog, don't just say

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Speaker 1: that and Dip, don't just say that and go away.

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Speaker 1: Dip said, I don't just do that. Come back here.

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Speaker 1: What we gonna do? How we gonna make this work together? Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that that conversation happened. Now, miss you, I

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Speaker 1: love Minschu for this. He expressed his disappointment, while also

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Speaker 1: acknowledging what everybody already knows. This is his franchise, right,

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Speaker 1: that's the reason they picked him where he is, and

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be really special.

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Speaker 2: Now we don't know if he's gonna special, but that's

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Speaker 2: what you're supposed to say.

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Speaker 1: That's what you gotta say, so you don't look so

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Speaker 1: salty in that moment. Now, he got special talents, we

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Speaker 1: little more. Twenty one years Young said he had no

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Speaker 1: expectation that this opportunity would come so quickly.

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Speaker 2: That's why the decision was a lot to process for him.

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Speaker 1: Just hearing the words, you work for it. You didn't

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Speaker 1: But then he told me, and I'm like, wow, it

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about the coats.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about where he is, because it's hard to

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Speaker 1: take root in a situation that doesn't have fertile ground,

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Speaker 2: Is a situation of late.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say the ground hasn't been so fertile because

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Speaker 1: of the instability at quarterback. Right, So now we're talking

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Speaker 2: How's that gone. Let's just say this.

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Speaker 1: With Richardson now starting in the lineup, that means the

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Speaker 1: Coast will have a different Week one starter for the one, second, third, fourth, fifth, six, seven,

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Speaker 1: eighth consecutive season.

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Speaker 2: God Lee whoa y'all caught that eighth.

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Speaker 1: Season in a row a different starting quarterback man. Last

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Speaker 1: year they made four in season quarterback changes. Okay, how's

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Speaker 1: he gonna work out in this position?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Because we know this is the Peyton Manning franchise, this

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Speaker 1: we're gonna stick you in there. Of course we tried

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Speaker 1: Matty ISAACTC. But nothing has taken root. Those guys pass

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Speaker 1: but they still didn't hit it. They and hit it,

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Speaker 1: when we're time, saying how he's chasing greatness, and I

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Speaker 1: want to be remembered. I don't want to be just

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Speaker 2: In the league.

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Speaker 1: I want my legacy to be remembered forever. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: get into it now. Let me tell you something and

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Speaker 1: one more caveat the first year head coach, we know

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Speaker 1: he is Shane stitching Station. How you say it, oversaw

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and his growth in Philadelphia. Okay, what we

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Speaker 1: try to do right now is bridge talent to success

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Speaker 1: and a lot of times, including me, we look at

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Speaker 1: talent and we think that is success. Well, no, talent

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Speaker 1: is actually just you having the acquisition of skills, right,

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Speaker 1: But you need to acquire a lot more for your

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Speaker 1: game to be rounded out to be called successful. Right,

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Speaker 1: how many times y'all have been to the gym? Dude's tall,

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Speaker 1: do fast, do the strong? Dude just can't play.

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Speaker 2: You're like Dawn, how you all that? And ain't none

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Speaker 2: of that? Right?

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Speaker 1: You know, It's called being greater than the sum of

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Speaker 1: your parts. What I'm trying to talk about right now

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Speaker 1: is Richardson being greater than the sum of his parts.

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Speaker 2: Now, what's the sum of his parts? Good? Lord sucker?

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Speaker 1: They're big, fast, strong, but what are the issues? He

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Speaker 1: was not reliable at Florida. It was up and down

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Speaker 1: right hit or missed. But you always saw that talent.

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Speaker 1: And it's something about talent. Talent is the pretty girl

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Speaker 2: Ain't that wrong, she ain't that loud.

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Speaker 1: Right, She's just too pretty to just be like, ignore it.

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Speaker 1: He just too talented to ignore. But with life with

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Speaker 1: that pretty girl, ain't gonna take more than just some

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Speaker 1: looks for me to say, I do I do, I

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Speaker 1: do I do. So what Richardson is trying to do

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Speaker 1: is now bridge that talent to success.

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Speaker 2: How do you do it?

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Speaker 1: The first thing is make sure you're not cursed. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes talent is cursed. Yes, it's called the curse of

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Speaker 1: the gifted and the gifted because they know they big, fast, strong, talented,

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Speaker 1: they skip steps. They don't fully believe in the fundamental

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Speaker 1: process that we all need to subscribe to to be successful.

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Speaker 1: And you've done it before. It whatever you're talented in,

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Speaker 1: like you just wake up in the morning, Uh, sleep

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Speaker 2: That's the talent. But that also could be your curse,

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Speaker 1: Stay as contained as this show is actually asking their

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Speaker 2: Right? That's the conversation.

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Speaker 1: So instead of replacing Sharp with one debate partner to

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Speaker 1: But you know, since we in this social media generation,

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Speaker 1: Started this gangster stuff and this the mother thanks I

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Speaker 1: Why because one, I don't think nobody else is gonna

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Speaker 2: Everybody else there is talking to him like this. You

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Speaker 1: They ain't gonna say that, slick Rick, you donna stop playing, okay,

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Speaker 2: Nick right? Nah?

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Speaker 1: We ain't gonna say it's them because that ain't what

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Speaker 1: as my coach always said, you're gonna say something that's

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Speaker 2: Names and numbers. That's all we need. Names and numbers.

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Speaker 1: Now it's really sounding like Colin Sherman has potential, but

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Speaker 1: When somebody says this shows me they're there, like I

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Speaker 1: On the revamp version. I'll tell you why right now.

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Speaker 1: They will all go for his neck. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: Nick Wright, especially Acho would go Greg not as much,

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Speaker 1: He's doing choreograph, not fake debate, choreograph. This is where

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Speaker 1: stancing opinion. This is how you gonna give it up.

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Speaker 1: This is how I'm gonna go get it. And that's

438
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Speaker 1: how we're gonna do. We're gonna do this dance that's

439
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: synchronized right Skip is doing. He's not doing UFC. And

440
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: if you got Nick right there, even acho, you about

441
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: to do some UFC right, were about to, were about

442
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: to crumb off the paper and just talk and we're

443
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 1: gonna go there, and and Skip ain't trying to go there.

444
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's why him and Shannon party so quote.

445
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 2: Skip doesn't want to work with Nick Wright.

446
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 1: See look at I said, all right, Skip doesn't want

447
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: to work with anybody who will make him look bad.

448
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: Told y'all you know what I'm saying. The wrestlers like, hey,

449
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: we got an evening match.

450
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 1: We gotta go out there and entertain the crowd, but

451
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: don't you slam me for real? Bro Chill and Nick

452
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: would disembowel him on the air. Right is the most

453
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: interesting one because of his affinity for Lebron. James seemed

454
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: like his love for Lebron would counter skips intentional hate

455
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: or just intentional shots that he always takes, said Lebron,

456
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: you would think that'd be a perfect match.

457
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 2: Right now. Nick Wright was on Undisputed one time, one time,

458
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: one time.

459
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 1: In twoenty and seventeen, and that's it now. Skip doesn't

460
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: want to work with anybody, they say, who will make

461
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: him look bad. And he got on there one time,

462
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: Nick Right, I ain't see that episode. He must have

463
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: went hot one hundred.

464
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 2: That was it.

465
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: Ah, So oh you know what they said he did.

466
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: He roasted Skip. He was clowning Skip about his Lebron

467
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: takes that I'll do it, Oh, man, what do you say?

468
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: Take care, good luck to you and God bless and

469
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: don't ever come back. And that's like, BUTMANI, BUTMANI had

470
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. Bamoni went head to head with Skip

471
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: on first take and never received another invite. Hmmm, I

472
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: guess that's what happened to me when Skip. I know

473
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: the game like I could play the game. I ain't

474
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: that guy. I could play the game. I just don't

475
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: feel like playing. Okay, So here we go undisputed. It

476
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: built around Skip baylists create content. What are they trying

477
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: to do? They trying to entertain and provoke social media.

478
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: That's why Skip literally leaks out the show always the

479
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: night before.

480
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: What he gonna talk.

481
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: About usually some cowboy le bron stuff, right, and then

482
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: get y'all all rouled up, and then do that same thing,

483
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: that same take, but flesh it out on air.

484
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: Now.

485
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: He needs somebody who gonna play games with him. He

486
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: needs somebody who's gonna do that dance with him? Right,

487
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: and Fox is smart Fox, like, look, Skip is here,

488
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: he saiventy won Let him do what he gonna do

489
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: until he can't do it no more.

490
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: Why waste Nick? Right?

491
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: Why waste a young star like him or Acho and

492
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: put him with him? And then all of a sudden

493
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna have two stars battling, and maybe that's gonna

494
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: dim the light of one of them. Why make it

495
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: go instead of concurrently, have Skip doing this thing, keep

496
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: building their star independently, and then hand a baton to

497
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: one of them Instead of them having a tugger war

498
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: over the same baton.

499
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Speaker 2: You get it.

500
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: So Fox is smart for not bringing that in house talent,

501
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: even though it for real it probably.

502
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: Be a better show.

503
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: Nick Wright and Skip Bayless, Oh god, lower, I mean,

504
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: it's almost like the guy who's built for this, who

505
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: got built in the lab, like Rocky four, like Dragos.

506
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: Nick Wright got built for this, going against Skip, who's

507
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: been doing this. But your eye off the fastball a

508
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: little bit, you know what I'm saying, a little off

509
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: the fastball. So what do I make of all of this?

510
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: Let's just talk through that real quick one. Imitation is

511
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: the best form of flattery. Thank you for the compliment,

512
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: Steven A and Steven they gotta say thank you for

513
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: the compliment as I took it from you Skip originally. Right,

514
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: So let's get out of that conversation.

515
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: Oh they biting, they biting. Remember we used to say biiting,

516
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: They biting, they biting. Forget all that.

517
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: But Skip just realizes that polarizing pays. He been known

518
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: that he's gonna keep leaning into that no matter how

519
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: many times we you they call him out, and he

520
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: only wants to work with those who gonna charge up

521
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: the polarization.

522
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: Who's in on the gag? You ain't in on the gag.

523
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: Guess what you ain't working with Skip for long, simple

524
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: as that he doesn't want to work with guys or

525
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: gals who gonna go and say what you say, or

526
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: somebody gonna go off script right like the beats of it.

527
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: You remember when Skip and Shannon had that little issue

528
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: and he said, well, we didn't talk about that, man.

529
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: Look I remember I saw that, and I saw that

530
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: with Icho in a Van Lathen interview when Van was

531
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: lighting o Chow up about all his black talk, and

532
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: then he was like, well, we.

533
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 2: Weren't supposed to. I wasn't supposed to be up here

534
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: for that. I'm not here for this.

535
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: One thing I don't get is when this camera is

536
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 1: on you up for whatever, this camera gonna film you,

537
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: up for whatever's gonna come out of you. But this

538
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: whole like I'm unprepared stuff. Skip told me that that

539
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: show got beats, and if you don't want to walk

540
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: to this beat, then walk your ass up.

541
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: Out of here.

542
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: And that's what happened with Shannon, and that's what's happening

543
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: right now. Why some people are not walking in on

544
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: the other side of that desk, ready to debate skip

545
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: interest in this conversation. Saw the same thing when I

546
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: was talking about what Icho is just like Dog. We

547
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: built for this dog, but there are lanes some people

548
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: are built for this throw it. I hate when I

549
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: do any show and they try to send me the

550
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: questions and stuff first. I'm like, don I've already lived it,

551
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: already got the experiences. Just tell me the topics. Don't

552
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: send me the questions, and what's your response to it?

553
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: Marcel's Dog, I'm not doing the show twice, already lived

554
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: my life all right, prepared, let's go, let's talk it.

555
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm different.

556
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at these guys like interesting, would they

557
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: be in on the gag? Who do you think will

558
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: be in on the gag in house? And who would

559
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: not be in on the gag in house? And are

560
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: you happy with undisputed additions to the show so far?

561
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: And who else should skip ad to the rotation. I

562
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: think it's unfair that Nick Wright's not getting a consideration,

563
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: But maybe Nicks like Dog, I'm on the best show

564
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: we got right now, So why would I even want

565
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: to leave that?

566
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: Respect to you? Nick? Right for that? If that's your position.

567
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: But y'all think it's fair or unfair that Nick Wright's

568
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: not even being considered according to these reports. Right, don't

569
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: burn out the next star, So I get that. But

570
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, y'all should at least extend the offer.

571
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: No over here about the hook. Y'all up for this

572
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: Friday Spider Away. Y' already know what this book is,

573
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: you ain't know how.

574
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: To get it? Be a Wiley's World member.

575
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: Also, we have our sweet stakes are Chargers sweep stakes? Yes,

576
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna win four VIP tickets to this weekends Chargers

577
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: game versus the New Orleans Saints who will go down

578
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: with the hammer by the Chargers? Right, and you get

579
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: a VIP parking pass. You get to sit there so

580
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: far and soak it all in. All you gotta do

581
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: check out my socials.

582
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: Go to my.

583
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: Website Project transition dot org. Give a donation of any

584
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: amount or free entry.

585
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: I don't give a damn. Just join the coalition and

586
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: help the community out. Let's do this. Oh, Stephen A.

587
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: Smith says he regrets in Sultan Kwame Brown, I wish

588
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: I could do that over There's one verse in particular,

589
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure lll would like to say to Stephen A.

590
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: Smith right now, you've.

591
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: Been waiting into Baton for oh so long. You've been

592
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: hating in naytan oh man, let's talk about this. I

593
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: swear we've been waiting for this one. Kwame ain't gonna

594
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: have all them cats one to eight and come back

595
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, bro, number receipts, they still good.

596
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: Not thirty days? You know you go to the store

597
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: only thirty days. They're like, nah, I bought it. I'm

598
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: taking it back. You better take that back what you

599
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: said about me. So Smith guest on the latest episode

600
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: the podcast Pee Paul, George out Here, eaton Go Ahead

601
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: podcast Pray, and during their appearance the ESPN hosts We

602
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Know Who He Is, was asked if there were any

603
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: moments in his career that he liked to do over.

604
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: That list is long for everybody. I'm interested in seeing

605
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: what he says. We know one of them, right, Kwame Brown,

606
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that over. He immediately answered

607
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: that one. I wouldn't do it. I know what I said,

608
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: I did mean it. I ain't gonna sit here and

609
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: tell you I ain't mean that shit I said, but

610
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know it.

611
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: Was gonna be like this. Ah. Interesting.

612
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: So even in the apology or to regret, I don't

613
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: think it's necessarily apology, so excuse me. But even in

614
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: the regret, he's like, look, I meant everything I said.

615
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: I just want to have said it because of the

616
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: consequences of the headache, of the noise that came from

617
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: me just saying that. And let's be real, there's a

618
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: lot of things like I try to keep it one hundred,

619
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: but at the same time, nobody keeps it one hundred.

620
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: There are some things about me nobody knows. Oh yeah,

621
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I got a few, and there's some things

622
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: that other people and I know and nobody else know.

623
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: You better keep it that way, okay, yeah, right, and

624
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: vice versa.

625
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: At the same time, when you say you regret something,

626
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: you say, no, I don't regret thinking that, feeling that,

627
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: saying that.

628
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: I just regret that it came out with those consequences.

629
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: That's an interesting place, right, How many things in your

630
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: life you're like, no, I meant it, just that I

631
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: had to say it, And probably half your arguments, especially

632
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: with your wife or something, you're like, damn, I meant

633
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: everything I said, But then really I ain't really need

634
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: to say that because you know how they're gonna take

635
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: it and respond. So let's talk about when we're going way.

636
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: Kwame Brown was with the Lakers two thousand and eight

637
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: and he got traded to the Memphis Grizzlies for Power Gasol.

638
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: And then after that was announced, this is when Stephen A.

639
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: Smith went to discuss the deal and went in on

640
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: Kwame Brown. He said, uh, at this time, now, remember

641
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Kame Brown was already labeled.

642
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: As a bust. Right, you number one overall.

643
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: Pick and you just having stuck or you haven't done

644
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: to that level of expectation. People are already clowning him, right.

645
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: But he was like the centerpiece of this trade. And

646
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: then here Stephen A. Smith said, it's Kwame Brown, who cares.

647
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: That pretty good? That was like a seven. Right. Uh,

648
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: Kwame Brown is gone now and that was a four.

649
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Smith ranted in eight. Right, the City of Angels, you

650
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: should be celebrating throw up parade already, whether you win

651
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: a championship or not. This man was a bona fide scrub.

652
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: He can't play, no disrespect whatsoever. But I'm sorry to

653
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Speaker 1: tell everybody the truth. The man cannot play the game.

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Speaker 1: Of basketball.

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Speaker 2: Boy. I love how we throw in no disrespect whatsoever,

656
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: but just gess respect.

657
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Speaker 1: But he is talking about his game, not him his name.

658
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: He is talking about the act, not the act. Third, right,

659
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: isn't he.

660
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: But bonafide scrub? Ain?

661
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: He's a bonafide scrub you're trying to say by how

662
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: he plays. But that is a little more of a

663
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: description than just a player. That's a person, you know

664
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Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's when it's like, ah, so

665
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I hear what steven A went with that, right, Ah,

666
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: let me get through this before I get to this.

667
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: So two years ago, Brown, you know, on his social channels,

668
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: went in on everybody a media tirade, making it clear

669
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Speaker 1: that not only does he remember what stephen A. Sma said,

670
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: but everybody else out there, and he said he still

671
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: feels disrespected by it. This is a couple of years ago.

672
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: And at that time, stephen A. Smith responded to Brown's

673
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: rant and blasted him by talking crazy against him again,

674
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: and he gave him that blooper reel. Remember that blooper

675
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: real like over a minute of bloopers. And that didn't

676
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: go overwhelm in the moment. That was just like, come on, dog, like,

677
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna put up his worst place for a minute,

678
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: minute and a half and show and be like, yeah.

679
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: See what I said. That's why I said it ten

680
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: years ago.

681
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: He was a bump. He's a bona five scrub. See

682
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: like dog, I could grab a minute and a half

683
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: of the worst place on every single go player ever,

684
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: Tom Brady on down, you name him in any sport,

685
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan on him.

686
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: Damn. So that was kind of lazy and cheap. We

687
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: all felt that, right Steve, when they felt it too.

688
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: That's why he has to regret. So now he's showing

689
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: the remorse. He's showing the regret.

690
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: He said, Remember I said it before Twitter and Facebook

691
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: my criticism of him. I didn't know fifteen years later

692
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: they were gonna have memes and videos. And when I

693
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: see what he says, I realized.

694
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Speaker 2: How I hurt. He is.

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00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Oh, but he says that, and he said, I said

696
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: it before all this social media. But you also went

697
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: in on them two years ago when he said to

698
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: Matt Barnes, he said it to Jack, he said, yo,

699
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: I ain't feeling this, And that was when Stephen. They

700
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: went in part two, or maybe more than part two.

701
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Speaker 1: But the latest part Iang.

702
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: So even in an.

703
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: Apology, which is not an apology, it's just a regret

704
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: even that you still got to veer off and say,

705
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: but you went in again.

706
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: So that's the crazy part about it, all right.

707
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: So we know that sports analysts out there, they just

708
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: get too personal when they talk about players. And obviously

709
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: we know that Kwame didn't like being called a bona

710
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: fide scrub, as no man ever has raised their hand

711
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: to be called that. You could say, I'm sorry, and

712
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: I guess that's a synonym of bona fide scrub, but

713
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the same hot sauce on it. You

714
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: can say I can't play whatever, you can say I

715
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been a centerpiece of a trade, whatever, But

716
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: bona fide scrub is a whole lot. Now, talk about this,

717
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: why stephen A really felt that certain way, and why

718
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: is Kwame let him back up, and then why he

719
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: feels the regret remorse, Cause there's a double trouble at.

720
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: Play right here, right now.

721
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: Stephen A has allowed his opinion about sports like anybody else.

722
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: But then we try to qualify these opinions based on expertise,

723
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: a level of experience, etc.

724
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: We all try to climb the mountain.

725
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: So at the top of the mountain is an MVP

726
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer who won championships and they can do

727
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: no wrong, say no wrong.

728
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: Very few guys are like that, but there are some.

729
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: Right then you start coming down the hill and you're like,

730
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: all right, So like me, I'm considered an expert because

731
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm a former player who wasn't all pro, who made

732
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: some money in the game, who was out there beasting

733
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: for a second. Right, But then I go to the

734
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: If I go to Canton and try to go to

735
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ceremony and talk to them cats, you

736
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: know how they looking at me just like this. They're like,

737
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: why they shut your ass up. You don't know what

738
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about in football? Like for real, Now I'm

739
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: gonna keep talking, but I know that they gonna try

740
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: and kill me with their stripes. Why is this double trouble?

741
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: Because Stephen, they realizes he doesn't have those stripes. One

742
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: doesn't have that experience of greatness playing that sport. Two

743
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: doesn't even have the experience of playing that sport at

744
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: the highest level, so even scrub level.

745
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: So the calls someonet a bonafide scrub.

746
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: Number four hundred and fifty of the four hundred and

747
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: fifty NBA players to call him four to fifty.

748
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: And you ain't even four fifty. You ain't one two,

749
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: four fifty. You maybe four to fifty one, who knows.

750
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: But the point is that's when it's like, all right,

751
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: who's screaming outside the club? They ain't getting there? Why

752
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: they keep woofing? Why they keep saying that, right? And

753
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: that's where the issue comes.

754
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: It's weird. I listened to people who didn't play at

755
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: the highest level. I do because they got game.

756
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: One of my boys, the one I was just talking

757
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: about that's gonna start this podcast. He didn't play at

758
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: the highest level talk basketball with this soccer here, man,

759
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: damn podcast.

760
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: He need to have him on the sucker here talks

761
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: some basketball. So I'm not a.

762
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: Firm believer in that, but I do know how you

763
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: can get graded, you know what I mean? Like, I

764
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree how we assess players and how we

765
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: assess it through sports media, but I do know that's

766
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: how it goes.

767
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: And so in this situation, it will eat you up

768
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: after a while.

769
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: You killed the guy who at least made it, and

770
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: he way better than just made it number one overall.

771
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: Pick and did have some moments in the league. So

772
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: I know how stephen A. Smith and I applause stephen A.

773
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: Smith for one admitting to obvious, like doll, you can't

774
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: go at him like that, And two the fact that

775
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: he came to that realization took him Awhile, Look, he

776
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: got all the benefits of clowning them too.

777
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: Let's not act like this was so altruistic. He got

778
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: all the benefits of clowning them.

779
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: But then he came around after the second third or

780
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: whatever time, and it's like yo, able to own it.

781
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: This old stephen A.

782
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: Smith on this podcast is doing wonders for him in

783
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: terms of like image and stuff, because I know him,

784
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: and I think he's always been a great guy, way

785
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: quieter and cooler than what it looks like on first take.

786
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: People think that you're gonna see that when you meet him,

787
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna be surprised. So I'm always a fan of

788
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: the dude. But at the same time, it's good that

789
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: when other people who don't know him as well get

790
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: to see that as well. So respect to him for

791
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: just admitting the obvious and coming around full circle on

792
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: this now y'all think stephen A's ran about Kwame Brown

793
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: crossed the line?

794
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: What movie was that? When they oh Lion King? When

795
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: Simple got bigger? You start walking like this.

796
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: You think sports pundits get too personal when talking about players.

797
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: Love to hear what y'all said, because most of y'all,

798
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: I get it didn't play at the highest level. But

799
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: I still be in the damn comments reading what y'all said,

800
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: and then sometimes it's like, damn, they nailed that, and

801
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: they nailed me. And sometimes I'm like, what the hell

802
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: they talking about? Oh, bona fire scrub. Let me know

803
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: what y'all thinking of these comments? Man, let's talk through this.

804
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, always gotta plug it, man, always gotta give

805
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: y'all love. Man Friday swagg await while this world member,

806
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Speaker 1: whoever is in there, gonna be the lucky winner. That's Friday.

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Speaker 1: Also go to Project transition dot org. Let me say

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Speaker 1: it the right way, Project transition dot org. We have

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Speaker 1: a sweet stakes for a Chargers game this weekend Sunday

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Speaker 1: versus New Orleans Saints. Four VIP tickets to the game,

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Speaker 1: one parking pass, and a whole lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: You see how I did that right? There in rhythm.

813
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Speaker 2: That's for you.

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Speaker 1: Just free entry or donation to the foundation for this situation,

815
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: so you can go in your occupation, you can go

816
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: have some hydration and it instore that in elation that

817
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: you know what happens in that situation.

818
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, do all that.

819
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: Let's talk about these comments right here, because ESPN New

820
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: NBA broadcast crew comments right, chill funk up some comments.

821
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not a fan of growth and out with

822
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: the old and in with the new. Richard Jefferson, JJ

823
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: Reddick and Ryan Ruco don't even compare to the OG

824
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: and there's no way in hell it's gonna be better

825
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: replaced with Doris Burke and Doc Rivers. And that's no

826
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: disrespect to her because she did get a well deserved promotion,

827
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: but she got it out of the expense of Mark Jackson,

828
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: and that to me is a bunch of bs. Mark

829
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy shouldn't have to suffer because

830
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: ESPN wants to promote cheaper people.

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00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: That's just my thoughts though, and.

832
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't matter, but I won't be tuning

833
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: in on Wednesday and Friday nights anymore to watch NBA

834
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: basketball or ESPN. Yes, you will, just may have it

835
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: on mute in the beginning, or maybe not on mute

836
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: and then go to mute.

837
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: But you're gonna watch basketball. Don't do that.

838
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: You acting like them like it came at this you're

839
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: gonna they took away Mark Jackson to promote her. She

840
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: deserved a promotion, but now he can't do it. Oh

841
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: that's not fair. So it's not fair that you get

842
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: robbed the basketball because somebody talking you can still watch

843
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: the game. You mean, most of my TV consumption is

844
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: with the volume off. Seriously, Like my hours watched are

845
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: just watched.

846
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 2: Not listened. Watch.

847
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: So that's part one. Part two is hmm, it doesn't

848
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be better. It's gonna be different,

849
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: right because the whole better conversation you get lost in that.

850
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: Like Michelle Beato and Colin were better at Sports Nation

851
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: than me and Michelle and Max. I would say so,

852
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: because when I watched them, I was like, oh that's

853
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: unique and different.

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00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: Well we did was just fun. Now I ain't gonna

855
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: say ours was worse, but theirs was the o g

856
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: and fun.

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00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: It was like Colin, Colin couldn't get out of his

858
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: skin and Michelle just firecracker. Oh that's that was classic.

859
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: But my point is this, I like your point about

860
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: how this is real. ESPN, do be trying to cheap it?

861
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: They'd be trying to cheap it. I watched Sports Center

862
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: the other day on mute, and I was like, what

863
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: the hell?

864
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: Like dog?

865
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Speaker 1: But I guess one day y'all turned up. Maybe y'all

866
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: did one day. It was like, what the hell? When

867
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: I was the first starting off?

868
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: But dog, I ain't lying. They got some nameless up

869
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: in there right now. It's just is what it is.

870
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: But that just like the NFL, while these running backs

871
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: ain't getting played shoe go get you a younger, cheaper one,

872
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: and who cares who it is? TNT NBA crew gonna

873
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: be killing the NBA crew for sure. Yeah, that's real

874
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: for right now for show. Now, I'll be on TNT constantly.

875
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: We are witnessing the death of ESPN.

876
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: Damn. Wow, the hyperbole. Just say one of their shows

877
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: of a thousand may not be your.

878
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: Favorite no more. The high purpose the death of ESPN. Yo, Okay,

879
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: hold your breath and wait for that. Go you did

880
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: not them?

881
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: You did?

882
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: Michael or Blindside is scammed by his family. More of

883
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: the story. Make sure everything is always buttoned up, cause

884
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: family will definitely mess you over just.

885
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: As quickly as the next person. Amen, what's the saying.

886
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this as a whiles on one day

887
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: they said don't loan out money to your family, you'll

888
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: lose both. Oh man, I love that one. Hold on, dude,

889
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: just found out twenty twenty three in the movie was

890
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: about this situation as a whole. If the movie made

891
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: the money that it did and he didn't get anything, right,

892
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: the hell wouldn't you be on top of that situation

893
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: right then?

894
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: That's my part.

895
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: You want sixteen years, You wait sixteen years to start

896
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: talking about the money you didn't get from your name

897
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: and likeness. Heck, maybe he is somewhat light in the head.

898
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: All the hooplocks around in that movie at the time,

899
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: and he did nothing when it came to his financial means.

900
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: Come on, man, no one could be that freaking stupid,

901
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: But maybe he is.

902
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to call him stupid just because I'm

903
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: not built to call him body stupid, But damn that's dumb.

904
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: Let me stop seriously, like you don't played in the

905
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: NFL you had to sign contracts, and you talking about

906
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: you had a movie. Dog, I'd rather play football without

907
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: a contract.

908
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: They let them make a movie about me without a

909
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: contract for real.

910
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: You know why cause I know one. I don't know

911
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: what the hell that movie gonna gross. But it sounded

912
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: like a lot more right like that? What's the highest

913
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: paid athlete?

914
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: Now? What's the highest grossing movie? Which one higher? Chris Rock?

915
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: What's you one? Haya? Come on, man, you better give

916
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: me that movie money. Better start playing. You see where

917
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: these movie stars live, and you see where these athletes live.

918
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: Let's just say it ain't the same place, not all

919
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: the time, not all the time.

920
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: This is cap by Michael Orr.

921
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: The Twoi's sold their business for two hundred million dollars

922
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: before they even met Michael Orr. Meanwhile, Michael was a

923
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: homeless foster kid.

924
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: Damn. They didn't need him. They were already rich. Mike

925
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: needed them. Plus, listening to the dad's side, he said they.

926
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Speaker 1: Only got money from the author of the book, in

927
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: which they split evenly with Michael. Sounds like Michael's now

928
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: having financial troubles in this place and his anger on

929
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: the wrong people, the ones that took him in when

930
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: no one wanted them, super ungrateful.

931
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: Ooh that's real. So you played, and you.

932
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: Want triple on the money because you had your own money.

933
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: You want tripping on them because I was your family.

934
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: Then you find out they ain't your family in February

935
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait a minute, but you still ain't tripping.

936
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: But then your money get tight. Then you start, like

937
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: everybody would you start patting pockets? Who got money that

938
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: owed me?

939
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: First?

940
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: H are you become a thief? Because I was a

941
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: thief when I was growing up? Before you become a thief,

942
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: first thing you do, start paton pockets? Work I get

943
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: some money from all right, lemonade standing ain't gonna make

944
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: no money. I mean I'll be out there all day

945
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: make ten dollars. That ain't good now, I mean it

946
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: ain't nothing, but it ain't good.

947
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: All right.

948
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be holding no homeless card up, damn it.

949
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do, all right, I'm gonna ask everybody

950
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: owe me money. They said they were gonna look out

951
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: for me to hook me up. Dan got it or

952
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: they don't want to give it. That's when you start

953
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: becoming a thief. Seriously, that's when your mind started wondering.

954
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: I know, ethics and morals bring you back, but don't

955
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: act like you ain't thinking shuld.

956
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: I know I did. I used to steal.

957
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: I used to steal T shirts and batteries, weird stuff

958
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: just because I ain't had it.

959
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: Now, there ain't no excuse. I was a thief. We

960
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: were saying, Oh, I only stole it. I was hungry. Yeah,

961
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: your ask. It was just a hungry thief like you

962
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: a thief. Still, I was a thief. Ain't nothing.

963
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: I was a pyro and I was a klep though.

964
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: Well yeah yeah, yeah, me right here, good old guy me. Yeah,

965
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: all right, here's gonna say steal.

966
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Speaker 2: Hm.

967
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about free speech. I think she

968
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: just wants to be around folks that think and share

969
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: her beliefs. She's a conservative and clearly at odds with

970
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: many of her co workers at ESPN. She seemed not

971
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: a place in uncomfortable at times on some ESPN programs.

972
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: She will probably land on Fox News with Will Kine,

973
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: formerly of ESPN as well, and in their future yeah maybe,

974
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: even though they're going through their shake up over there

975
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: as well.

976
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: I grew up watching Sage on TV.

977
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: I hope she gets a bigger bag and more respect

978
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: wherever she goes next.

979
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like sage. I mean the political stuff.

980
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: It's almost like what Michael Jackson and you know, all

981
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: these artists get in trouble for stuff that they're found

982
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: out not guilty of, but there's such suspicion. How much

983
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: does that cloud how much you listen to Michael Jackson?

984
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: How much does R Kelly being convicted cloud you listen

985
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: to R Kelly? I separate it too. I can't lie

986
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: to y'all. Now, one is Hella back and one is

987
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: Hella good? Their music's insane? What the hell Michael Jackson

988
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: is in the middle, music insane? R Kelly music insane.

989
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Then there's a level for Michael Jackson not guilty, but.

990
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: And then there's R Kelly.

991
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh damn dog, what the hell can't hang around you?

992
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: And the itdy biddies can't do it? Say still would

993
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: land a good job somewhere. She stood up for her

994
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: beliefs and I can respect that instead of the go

995
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: along to get along mentality that's destroying ESPN.

996
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 2: Ah, it was a thing. There's been a shift to ESPN.

997
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: I just want to say this because a lot of

998
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: people were conflating Jamail Hill and say, still, Jamail Hill

999
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: did what she did in what twenty seventeen, says did

1000
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: what she did in twenty twenty one. You know what

1001
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: came between there, obviously, the pandemic and George Floyd. And

1002
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: when you say that, when you talk about social justice,

1003
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: when you talk about political wokeness or political awareness, whatever

1004
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: you want to say. Ah, everything shifted when the pandemic came.

1005
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: Everything shifted. So between what Jamail did at the same

1006
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: company because Skipper just left right around there and what

1007
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: Says did is not even apples and origes, not the

1008
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: same fruit. So Jamail got in trouble for something in

1009
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: the era and the context that was completely different than

1010
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: when Sage did it.

1011
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: All right, they both got they both got lit up,

1012
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: but for different reasons. Just wanted to give you guys

1013
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: that all right, y'all, y'all know we finished every show

1014
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: We finished it with.

1015
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: A why league is Yeah, everybody wants to get to it,

1016
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: but not go through it. Oh child, things are gonna

1017
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: get easy. Uh, everybody wants to get to it. Give

1018
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: me mine, give me mine, where the goals that let

1019
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: me win? But don't want to go through it. Yep,

1020
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: let's just keep it simple. Football want to win that

1021
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? High start high football, start off. You want

1022
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl? Take your ass to training camp,

1023
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: go through hell, survive it, how to survive South Central,

1024
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: how to survive a training camp. And then you gotta

1025
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: go through seventeen weeks of rigor one week of a

1026
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: five week Then you might have to go through four

1027
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: weeks to get the ultimate prize, four games or maybe

1028
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: three games.

1029
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: Point is it ain't easy being me? What part say?

1030
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: You gotta go through it to get to it, simple

1031
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: as that, And I think a lot of times we

1032
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: lose that perspective because we do see uber talent, we

1033
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: do see supreme skills. You do possess those gifts, and

1034
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: you're like, man, skip them steps. Well we talked about

1035
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: earlier in the show. Well Anthony Richardson can't skip it.

1036
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: So you start thinking, ah, forget that part, forget that part,

1037
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: forget that part. I understand the effective efficient model, but

1038
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: also know that still comes with its own level of hell.

1039
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna get tested, You're gonna see how much you

1040
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: want it. You're gonna have to figure out how tight

1041
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: a grip you need to hold on to it, Matgine.

1042
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: If things were so easy, you wouldn't even have to

1043
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: grip it, You wouldn't even have to grab for it.

1044
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: You just be like, come to me, Come to me, right.

1045
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: But what colors are? Then?

1046
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: What gives you the character that's necessary to not only

1047
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: get there, but hopefully stay there.

1048
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: You gotta go through some things. It's okay, just raise

1049
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: your hand.

1050
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: Instead of saying I want it, just raise your hand

1051
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: said I want to go through it too, And nobody

1052
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: want to.

1053
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: Raise their hand for that. But everybody goes through it, right,

1054
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: and it' crazy, like, just know it.

1055
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: I always tell y'all, and I always tell myself, I

1056
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: never look at any endeavor like the one hundred meters.

1057
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: It's not a sprint, but more importantly, it's not a

1058
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: sprint without obstacles. I always look at everything, like the

1059
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: hundred meter hurdles. Me leaving fox and doing this a

1060
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: hundred meter hurdles.

1061
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's been some hurdles, y'all. God dug, clip

1062
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: clip all down.

1063
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 1: Keep running whatever. I ain't running my best time day one,

1064
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep racing. I'm gonna keep racing because I

1065
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: want y'all to know no matter what you do, there're

1066
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: gonna be obstacles in that path, and you're gonna have

1067
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: to learn with proper technique in form how not to

1068
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: hop over them, how not to run around them, but

1069
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: run through them. So, if you like me, you know

1070
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: what it is. Everybody wants to get to it, but

1071
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: not go through it.

1072
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: All right, y'all got to do it.

1073
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: For more to It, check the show notes for all

1074
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Speaker 1: the information on our topics today.

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Speaker 2: Today, I want to keep the conversation. Go on. Let's

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00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: talk find me on all socials at Marcel's.

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Speaker 1: Wiley More Too is a production of Dan Patrick Production

1078
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: that Dude Entertainment and Workhouse Media's show is executive produced

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00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: by Dan Patrick, Marcello's Whilely, Paul Anderson, and Nick Panella.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for all the.

1081
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: Love, ratings, and subscriptions and reviews, membership to Wiley's World

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00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Keep it coming because there's more coming from

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Speaker 1: More to It. Talk to y'all, Hellison