Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast lost the Cyclops Awards for
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition that was quick, but be Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I come
Speaker 1: to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Gregg Rosenthal. I'm over thus, I'm over the
Speaker 1: Cyclops Awards, and I'm not even angry at the Cyclops Academy.
Speaker 1: My ear obviously is focused on the entire awards industry
Speaker 1: trying to frame us as a Susan Lucci type. That's
Speaker 1: not what we are. We're an important podcast. We're a
Speaker 1: popular podcast where beloved in a large pocket of football Earth.
Speaker 1: So I don't need hardware, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: I really do need that validation. Give me the troph Well,
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of bones to pick here. Well,
Speaker 1: First of all of our audience we hear is overseas.
Speaker 1: So Susan Lucci was a famous daytime soaps actress who
Speaker 1: who would be nominated every year not get the award.
Speaker 1: But I think we need more nominations for that. I
Speaker 1: think this was our first nomination in like six or
Speaker 1: seven years. I wish we were Lucci right now. I
Speaker 1: mean nominations, I mean from that angle, the Cyclops Corp.
Speaker 1: Or whatever they're called, like deserve a little bit of
Speaker 1: credit for nominating us, or at least listening to whoever
Speaker 1: wanted to nominate us. But I I just I'm with Dan.
Speaker 1: I viewed as an inciting incident. The whole awards UM
Speaker 1: industry drop a nuclear bomb on these people. Can we
Speaker 1: at least clean up on the international market? Aren't there
Speaker 1: categories for American football in Australia where we've gotta be
Speaker 1: like crikey, Mike and the and the Kangaroo, Like, isn't
Speaker 1: there someone we could defeat? Like, isn't there some some
Speaker 1: tomato can some Peter McNeely is out there in the
Speaker 1: podcast industry. And if you view us right, if you
Speaker 1: view us sort of as like a rising boxer, we
Speaker 1: need to we need to clean up on a couple
Speaker 1: of chumps. It's kind of get our yeah, get our
Speaker 1: ranking up. And we can't even get about we can't
Speaker 1: even get into the ring with anyone. Well, it's absurd,
Speaker 1: clearly over it. Thank you money for checking in. Um
Speaker 1: all right here we are. The draft is one day
Speaker 1: away and um, we got so much to get to.
Speaker 1: This is a big show. We are going to UM
Speaker 1: welcome back one of the great guests in the history
Speaker 1: of this show. And I won't say who it is,
Speaker 1: but I'll just say this guy is known to have
Speaker 1: some spicy draft takes. I'll leave it at that. Stick
Speaker 1: a pin in that. Also, the fourth annual Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: Mock Draft, the really the mock draft of record, ultimately,
Speaker 1: at least that's the way I look at it. And Mark,
Speaker 1: how are you feeling confidence wise? I know there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of menace in the air this year because
Speaker 1: I do feel like Greg has his eyes on the
Speaker 1: mock draft in a way and maybe like sandbagging or
Speaker 1: otherwise this he wants to be a disruptor this year.
Speaker 1: I feel like, where do you come down in terms
Speaker 1: of confidence level? And you sense that same air of menace?
Speaker 1: Confidence couldn't be higher. I sensed the menace, but I
Speaker 1: pay no I pay no attention to it. Um, there
Speaker 1: always are going to be dark energy is trying to
Speaker 1: take down something that must be brought to the light,
Speaker 1: something powerful and truthful. And it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just watching JFK the Director's Cut the other night, and
Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes the end of the well the
Speaker 1: biggest enemy could be right in your own house. I mean, Kevin, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what Costner's attempting to, you know, change history
Speaker 1: and and solve one of the biggest mysteries of the time.
Speaker 1: And Sissy Space, I the wife cannot get off his act.
Speaker 1: You know, why weren't you home for dinner? Are we
Speaker 1: waited for three? I mean it's like interviewing like Clay
Speaker 1: bertrand trying to like crack the biggest case in government history.
Speaker 1: It's like settled down Sissy Space. So, you know, point
Speaker 1: being as I'm putting this mock traft together and literally
Speaker 1: made changes um five or six minutes ago, working with
Speaker 1: the social team to put out some art that we'll
Speaker 1: go with it right after this show there, So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm focused on production, not the enemy. So if you're
Speaker 1: a little out, like a projection though from Dan, like
Speaker 1: I I love the mock draft. When when Mark was
Speaker 1: sending out, hey, should we do the mock draft, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's keep doing it. Dan is just
Speaker 1: projected he doesn't like any segment that he didn't come
Speaker 1: up with, and it's like, you know, he's trying to
Speaker 1: say I don't like it. I bring it on. I
Speaker 1: want some mock drafts, all right? Well that those those
Speaker 1: typical Greg there. No, I I love it. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to it. And if you are New Orleans District
Speaker 1: Attorney Jim Garrison uh Mark, you have to be prepared
Speaker 1: for there to be a lot of outcry coming against
Speaker 1: you as well, because that wasn't very popular. He wasn't
Speaker 1: very popular figure in his time. For a lot he was.
Speaker 1: They tried to unspool his entire reputation, and I'm prepared
Speaker 1: for that too. In fact, it's a little easier for me.
Speaker 1: I go in with no reputation, so you know, good
Speaker 1: luck unspooling it. And Gregg, what I'm trying to do,
Speaker 1: We've been doing this for many years, is set up
Speaker 1: a little like Yin and Yang and have some fun
Speaker 1: with it. You tried to put it, didn't get that,
Speaker 1: and then what I do as I fire back when
Speaker 1: you come with the BS. See that's what it all happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: So there we go, set up very well, masterfully all right.
Speaker 1: Before any of that, though, we do it every year
Speaker 1: and we're doing it again this year. We make predictions
Speaker 1: ahead of the draft, but we do it in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different way. We have some fun
Speaker 1: with it. Uh, they're sandwich props. You know by now
Speaker 1: what it's all about. The misso phonies out there, deal
Speaker 1: with it. That's just a part of the segment. Mark.
Speaker 1: I know you're cringing a little bit too. You're part
Speaker 1: of that community. Don't take offense to it. It's just
Speaker 1: getting people in the mindset. We go around the horn
Speaker 1: a few times, make a prediction. You get the chance
Speaker 1: to either say, you know what, I think your prediction
Speaker 1: about draft weekend is accurate, so I'll stand down, or
Speaker 1: you challenge that person and you wager a sandwich. So
Speaker 1: with that in mind, and Mark, I am very excited
Speaker 1: for your mock draft in general. I like the idea
Speaker 1: of you being at the center of this episode. So
Speaker 1: I want you to start this sandwich prop exercise thrown
Speaker 1: out there. All right, are we gonna be doing two
Speaker 1: or three? Because that will dictate what how many Let's
Speaker 1: let's say definitely two and then depending where we are
Speaker 1: time wise, maybe a three I got written down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, so I'm gonna start, um, you know, with
Speaker 1: the car just getting out of neutral very football oriented
Speaker 1: one here. Zach Ertz will not be a Philadelphia Eagle
Speaker 1: by the end of the draft. Alright, so basic, just
Speaker 1: a problem basics. Let's set one in terms of just
Speaker 1: um guidelines to make this nice and clean, because we're
Speaker 1: going to do, of course, a show tomorrow night after
Speaker 1: round one, and then we're gonna do a show Saturday
Speaker 1: night after the conclusion around seven. So let's make the
Speaker 1: runway here from right now until even taping time, until
Speaker 1: we get to this segment again in the back end
Speaker 1: of the Saturday show. So not only do you have
Speaker 1: all the draft itself, you have that hour, two hours
Speaker 1: or whatever before we check in on these props. So
Speaker 1: you say, zach Ertz will be traded from the Eagles
Speaker 1: Super Bowl hero zach Ertz by Saturday evening. Take m hm.
Speaker 1: Really starting with a bang here? I mean, this guy
Speaker 1: had three d and thirty yards last year. Maybe he
Speaker 1: gets traded for a sixth round, big swap. He's the
Speaker 1: centerpiece of the draft. UM. I kind of think he
Speaker 1: will too. But I said the car was just getting
Speaker 1: out of neutral. But we aly have three I I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna take you on it. It goes
Speaker 1: against my normal philosophy, but I am with you. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me that he would stay on
Speaker 1: that roster. I'll take you on it. I mean the
Speaker 1: timing of it is, you're putting it in a box
Speaker 1: like they have to move him to to free up
Speaker 1: roster space or remove some type of issue they have.
Speaker 1: This could be something that comes after the draft. And
Speaker 1: I also we've talked about Earth's a little bit. I
Speaker 1: know he's he looks slow and all old, but he's
Speaker 1: actually not old. And uh maybe he was just banged up,
Speaker 1: so maybe they do keep him around. I will take
Speaker 1: you up on that sandwich. All right, all right, let's
Speaker 1: um right now that we got the appetis out of
Speaker 1: the way, let's let's ramp things up. I'm really not
Speaker 1: exciting neither. Yeah, you set the bar now, want to
Speaker 1: be blown away? All right? Let me let me let
Speaker 1: me jump start us here, all right, Jimmy Garoppolo. Um,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. It's going to happen. I believe the
Speaker 1: reunion with New England Patriots goes down. And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about that um seth Wickersham piece from a few years back,
Speaker 1: uh that highlighted the internal dysfunction at the time around
Speaker 1: power struggle with belichicked and Robert Kraft and Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: certain uncertain future at the time, and Jimmy Garoppolo waiting
Speaker 1: in the wings, and an element of that um that
Speaker 1: deep dive was Belichick's frustration that he believed he had
Speaker 1: the next phase of his and final phase really of
Speaker 1: his career set up post Brady, because he believed in
Speaker 1: Jimmy g and he he thought that he was a
Speaker 1: guy that could take the torch from Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: they could continue to thrive as an a f C superpower.
Speaker 1: Things didn't work out. Garoppolo got traded to the Niners.
Speaker 1: Brady eventually they want Super Bowls after even that expose,
Speaker 1: but he eventually goes down to m v P. A
Speaker 1: lot of things happened, uh, including when the Pats won
Speaker 1: seven and nine with Cam Newton at a mail level.
Speaker 1: So I think rather than trade up and go get
Speaker 1: a quarterback where they have fifteen right now, Greg Yea,
Speaker 1: or have someone falls on them pick, I think it's
Speaker 1: more likely that he goes and gets Garoppolo with this
Speaker 1: depressed value. The Niners obviously moving on from Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: Thursday Night will become all beneficial and that trade happens. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this is onion hanger to get role here because
Speaker 1: the time elements tricky, like do you need to move
Speaker 1: Jimmy g draft weekend? Not necessarily, but I say it
Speaker 1: happens and it gives everyone a fresh start, including the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Walla Walla is a big onion, giant sweet
Speaker 1: Spanish onions are good. That is a big rent onion.
Speaker 1: I'll take you up on that. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: I feel like I got it there. Um. Part of
Speaker 1: me would be intrigued to see that. Um, but I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna roll right into a related uh prop
Speaker 1: right after. Would you like to find out if I'm
Speaker 1: going to take a or not? Did you hear what
Speaker 1: I said right after? Mark? I should have held I
Speaker 1: should Well you know why I would. I would wonder
Speaker 1: about one one second, Mark, Greg, you said Mark had
Speaker 1: an edge yesterday. You have the edge today. What's going on?
Speaker 1: What's going on? I got my punchers. Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: It's draft week. I don't know it didn't sleep much. Again,
Speaker 1: that's usually the factor. If I'm I love it, go ahead, Mark,
Speaker 1: you know, I just wonder if you know part of
Speaker 1: it was you sent Jimmy g out to uh playing
Speaker 1: adult roles somewhere else. Uh, and he is not durable enough.
Speaker 1: You can't stay healthy. He cost twenty six million dollars.
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if maybe, if you're the Patriots or
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, thinking, is this the best we can do?
Speaker 1: I I can't be their number one plan, but I'll
Speaker 1: take you up on it because it's extremely spicy and
Speaker 1: there is some connected tissue that would send them back there.
Speaker 1: It makes some sense. So I'm gonna do my biggest
Speaker 1: onion hanger. Now. Usually save it for the it's it's related,
Speaker 1: and it relates to what I want to see. I
Speaker 1: always say, pick what you want to see happen, And
Speaker 1: what I want to see happen is Cam Newton play
Speaker 1: outstanding in and shut up all the honkers on sports
Speaker 1: Doc radio and Erica and everyone else, and like, go
Speaker 1: to the playoffs with Cam Newton playing well at twelve
Speaker 1: and five. Because by the way, Patriots fans, you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to root for them. If Cam Newton is great
Speaker 1: this year, you you are he jumped ship. It's too late.
Speaker 1: It's you got to find a new team. That's my
Speaker 1: number one thing. But you know, really sports fandom works.
Speaker 1: But you know what, it would be even better than
Speaker 1: that happening Cam Newton doing all that with Justin Fields
Speaker 1: waiting in the wings, everyone wanting Justin Fields to start
Speaker 1: Week one, but he doesn't. And then Cam Newton plays
Speaker 1: so great off season that it's almost like a poor
Speaker 1: man's Mahomes and Alex Smith's situation for one, and you
Speaker 1: got your quarterback of the future. And Cam, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a good problem to have, and he probably goes
Speaker 1: on to do other things after that, and one way
Speaker 1: or another that Justin Fields ends up on this Patriots
Speaker 1: team at the end of this draft. I thought, in
Speaker 1: terms of making an example, you would cite Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and Jordan's love which happened last year to ask Cam.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the bar. You know, the bar would
Speaker 1: be like top twelve quarterback in a in a good season.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a savvy sandwich prop because you're not
Speaker 1: actually the part that's hanging onions is Cam Newton then
Speaker 1: playing and being a big time quarterback. But that's not
Speaker 1: part of the wager here. I mean, if if you
Speaker 1: don't think the Patriots is hanging onions, you know, get
Speaker 1: you know, tell all your friends to make that UM wager,
Speaker 1: because I think you could get you know, probably plus
Speaker 1: seven or seven to one at most at least dodds.
Speaker 1: I mean that is pretty unlikely. I mean what I
Speaker 1: mean by that is yes, the field in terms of that, yes,
Speaker 1: that's also whenever you're trying to pay a player to
Speaker 1: a team. We've learned this exercise and many many times
Speaker 1: it usually doesn't work out. But I don't know, like
Speaker 1: the thing, did you see enough from Cam last season
Speaker 1: to think he has like m VP level type play
Speaker 1: still in his body? Right? The Cam part is just
Speaker 1: my I'm just letting the people know my personal feelings.
Speaker 1: But for the this exercise, it's all about Justin Fields
Speaker 1: and and no matter what Cam does this year, I
Speaker 1: would love to see Justin Fields on this Patriots team.
Speaker 1: And I do think Cam would be a good sort
Speaker 1: of quarterback mentor um and a guy a veteran to
Speaker 1: have their whether Justin Fields if he was on the Patriots,
Speaker 1: was starting in week one or not at all, I
Speaker 1: think Cam would be a nice compliment for I'll take
Speaker 1: you up on it. I it always concerns me when
Speaker 1: Greg's starts to get fascinated over another quarterback that you know,
Speaker 1: it looks to be at best the middle of the
Speaker 1: road patch, But here we are again, so we're just
Speaker 1: it's war shadows what we're dealing with with Cam Newton
Speaker 1: for the next four months on this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: i've i I since this podcast has started, since he
Speaker 1: entered the league, Cam has been one of my favorite players.
Speaker 1: That's fine, favorite team, but it's like it's Teddy Bridgewater,
Speaker 1: it's Smith Cam Newton, like you Greg's defense Mark. You
Speaker 1: were the one that was going nuts about Cam signing
Speaker 1: with the Pats last year, last summer, thinking that he
Speaker 1: was going to be Cam still, but he's not. He's
Speaker 1: not Cam anymore. Just the guy. It would be fun,
Speaker 1: it'd be fun. Well, Dustin Fields is a guy that
Speaker 1: I it is hard to figure and maybe we'll talk
Speaker 1: with Spicy about it, but it is hard to figure
Speaker 1: how he's potentially falling because it's not just the athleticism.
Speaker 1: It's the fact that I think if you broke it
Speaker 1: down and you asked all the people, who's the most
Speaker 1: accurate of all these quarterbacks? Accuracy just like the most
Speaker 1: important thing, it's probably Justin Fields, Like who had the
Speaker 1: most plays downfield where he put it on the guy's hand,
Speaker 1: just like Russell Wilson. It's probably Justin Fields to surprise guests.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yes, thank you, Greg the little think
Speaker 1: about that little punk teenager by the way, that gave
Speaker 1: Cam grief at Cam's camp. If you a couple of
Speaker 1: months back, he's gonna seek out Cam again. If Justin
Speaker 1: Fields gets drafted, he's gonna come after him hard. So
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that subplot, alight, And we both
Speaker 1: are taking me up on that. I'll take you about
Speaker 1: it because yeah, like I said, it's it's very hard
Speaker 1: to match up player and teams specifically unless it's the
Speaker 1: very top of the draft. Um and the Patriots, I
Speaker 1: know you've said they've traded up aggressively in the first
Speaker 1: round before, but they have done to get to get
Speaker 1: a quarterback, so not often, to be clear, they've traded
Speaker 1: down way, way way more. So Yeah, you're right, all right,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Mark, alright, let's keep like Dallas Goddard out
Speaker 1: of this. Anthony Becked, let's just I was going back.
Speaker 1: I had a Becked one here, but I'll bypass it. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you know, big, big exciting scene in Cleveland. People
Speaker 1: are out and about they've been vaccinated. Um, from what
Speaker 1: I know about Cleveland, that place is going to be
Speaker 1: looped up. And I'm just saying that there will be
Speaker 1: and this will be caught on camera. Um, they will
Speaker 1: have and by day I mean authorities at the outdoor
Speaker 1: draft area a problem with an animal running wild. Could
Speaker 1: that be like a police horse or could it be
Speaker 1: something or other. There's gonna be Um, it will be
Speaker 1: a subplot. I'm not talking about like a monkey riding
Speaker 1: a dog as a piece of entertainment, but an animal
Speaker 1: they don't want out of control, um, creating some level
Speaker 1: of chaos by again the end of the seventh round. Well,
Speaker 1: you gotta take this whenever there's an animal involved here.
Speaker 1: I mean that's one of my rules with like a
Speaker 1: wild wild animal prop from Mark. Uh, always take the wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if they like, bring out the the
Speaker 1: brown dog. Didn't he pass away? But they probably got
Speaker 1: a new one. Um? Is that what you say about
Speaker 1: dogs that they pass away? I guess I mean he
Speaker 1: passed on pass away. It's kind of a you could
Speaker 1: say the dog dies. I don't really like anyways, You're
Speaker 1: right that dog died, right, But they've got a new dog.
Speaker 1: Don't they have a doggie? Yeah? I don't think it's
Speaker 1: related to um that him like trotting out, you know
Speaker 1: with like Jim Brown to make the seventy second pick
Speaker 1: or whatever does not count. But I'll take you up
Speaker 1: on well, that's not running wild. I mean this animal,
Speaker 1: they're they're chasing him. You know, you've got figures of
Speaker 1: authority chasing the animal. So and in case that dog
Speaker 1: has indeed passed away, rest in power Brown's dog. It
Speaker 1: it did pass away. It was It's by the way,
Speaker 1: you always have to know with the sandwich prop game,
Speaker 1: the loopholes, you do not get caught in a loophole.
Speaker 1: Human beings are animals and Cleveland sports fans are animals.
Speaker 1: If there's some guy drunk, fact guy streaking through the
Speaker 1: quad or whatever, like, does that count. No, you are correct, um,
Speaker 1: but I'm not putting that. I'm not putting them in
Speaker 1: the category of animals. I mean, like eight something that
Speaker 1: you'd like to temper and domesticate to some or how
Speaker 1: do your bidding that I was about to make an
Speaker 1: antiquate to Hey, that's what wives do. Oh well, okay,
Speaker 1: not humans. To be clear, I want to. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong on this one. If we get
Speaker 1: like a Buffalo Bill marauding through a huge crowd of people,
Speaker 1: that would be that would be fund But Mark wins
Speaker 1: on anyone to die. There you go, Mark, You're always
Speaker 1: wagering things that are around human misery. What's what's that
Speaker 1: say about? I think this would be joyful. I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be exciting personally. Seven killed in Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bill stampede. Mark Win's Chicken Farm sandwich. All right, I'm next.
Speaker 1: All right, you know I like it, Greg, I like
Speaker 1: your angle. Pick what you want. Remember I did a
Speaker 1: sandwich proper last regular season, um that the Jets would
Speaker 1: be in playoff contention in December to believe it, but
Speaker 1: I wanted it to happen. So I'll do this again
Speaker 1: with the Jets. They trade up in the first round,
Speaker 1: it's no there's zero onions to be found with their
Speaker 1: second overall pick. We all know where that's going. But
Speaker 1: they're picking twenty three overall. A lot of people are
Speaker 1: mocking a defensive linemen because of the Robert Solo stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, and solid we trust. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I would be a little bit like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've been down that road. UM, I would like to
Speaker 1: see them if there's not some like incredible offensive lineman
Speaker 1: that's fallen down the board, I would like to see
Speaker 1: them trade up in the first round, take some of
Speaker 1: these this stockpiling of draft picks they have over the
Speaker 1: next couple of years, and pair that with the twenty
Speaker 1: three overall pick and grab whoever that wide receiver that
Speaker 1: everybody loves that ends up falling um into the middle
Speaker 1: of the pack. So if there's somebody sitting I was
Speaker 1: gonna say fifteen, but the Jets and Patriots an't gonna
Speaker 1: trade draft pick most likely, but in that zone, UM,
Speaker 1: i'd like to see the Jets go up. So they
Speaker 1: trade up in the first round and they take a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, let's go. I love it. Yeah, that's spicy,
Speaker 1: and um, I think they could certainly use one. I've
Speaker 1: seen some analysis that's like a big need. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't quite go there. I mean, you got Denzel Mims,
Speaker 1: you just spent a lot of money on Corey Davis,
Speaker 1: you spent a lot of money on Kielan Cole for
Speaker 1: a fourth receiver. You still have Jamison crowd around the roster.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not on the roster by the end of
Speaker 1: this draft if they make that move. But I like,
Speaker 1: and I'll take you. I just I just think they're okay.
Speaker 1: It's just not like a master need. They need some cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: They need some offensive lineman, I think, and from what
Speaker 1: we understand in this draft, the offensive line, you could
Speaker 1: find some depth there. Uh there's some depth of that position,
Speaker 1: and then you you absolutely target that in the second
Speaker 1: and third rounds us another edge rusher. I know they
Speaker 1: signed Carl Lauson, but that he's kind of it. They
Speaker 1: have a lot of needs. They have a lot of needs,
Speaker 1: but I like the idea of them saying we are
Speaker 1: going to not only bring this quarterback in but immediately
Speaker 1: give ourselves a boost on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: That's why I even be okay if they went and
Speaker 1: got the running back Naja Harris. I I if they
Speaker 1: just make a splash on offense and say we are
Speaker 1: building a core that will scare people on Sundays, which
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened and forever, Um everybody taking me on it,
Speaker 1: I am because I think there's a couple of little factors,
Speaker 1: like the defensive tackle class we're all hearing outside of
Speaker 1: like one or two guys is abysmal um And yeah,
Speaker 1: they could go edge. But I think something you said
Speaker 1: of mentioned was one of these key receivers tumbling down
Speaker 1: the board a little bit to where they'd say, you
Speaker 1: know what, we're going after it. They may not be alone,
Speaker 1: there might be competition for that, but why not overcorrect
Speaker 1: and add too much around your new quarterback? Ever Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb last year, I think a lot of people thought
Speaker 1: he was gonna go potentially five to ten, and then
Speaker 1: when he started falling into the teens, the Cowboys, they
Speaker 1: went and got him. Who's that guy? Uh in? Because
Speaker 1: there probably will be all right, Greg, alright, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just be very specific and say the Broncos get their
Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round, that they take a quarterback
Speaker 1: in the first round, I think there are candidates to
Speaker 1: trade up. I'm not gonna get overly specific. I feel
Speaker 1: like this is close to a coin flip, and that's
Speaker 1: not so bad. Not everything needs to be on things.
Speaker 1: I would say if you looked in Vegas, for instance,
Speaker 1: this would be about a coin flip. I think it'd
Speaker 1: be a slight underdog that they would take their quarterback.
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine them getting out of this draft
Speaker 1: without it. How can How can you go into this
Speaker 1: season on the last year of Vic Fangio's chance, in
Speaker 1: my mind, with a pretty good roster Withdrew Locks one
Speaker 1: way or another. My my, my picks I just really
Speaker 1: are kind of clashing. Because the Patriots to get Fields,
Speaker 1: you know that that doesn't leave as many for the Broncos.
Speaker 1: But the Broncos get it. Broncos, Well, you're kind of
Speaker 1: betting on your betting on two horses, which is fine,
Speaker 1: one of them will win. I like it, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think they they've traded up, They've tried everything to
Speaker 1: get these quarterbacks. I mean Elway's record at this is
Speaker 1: is pretty terrible. I mean, does it happen if Fields
Speaker 1: doesn't fall to them? For instance? I'll take you on it,
Speaker 1: but there aren't a lot of you know, bread trumps
Speaker 1: about them being aggressive on that front. Now, could be
Speaker 1: a spot that Detroit feels like the spot where maybe
Speaker 1: someone trades up, whether it was the Patriots or the
Speaker 1: Broncos for that matter. I'm I'm not gonna take you
Speaker 1: on it. I think that's what they do. I think
Speaker 1: they're due for a splash here and Drew Lock had
Speaker 1: his chance. He didn't cut the mustard, as they say,
Speaker 1: did not play the guitar very well. A bunch of
Speaker 1: bum strings. You know. He kept on hitting the wrong chords.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the quad. You know, he's trying to strum
Speaker 1: wonder wall and trying to make some hot babe swoon,
Speaker 1: hit all the wrong notes, play the guitar, and good
Speaker 1: Little Boys are nominees in our Phrase of the Year
Speaker 1: so far, so at number nine, that's a good spot. Um,
Speaker 1: if someone falls or they have ammunition to move up,
Speaker 1: a couple of picks of need be so yeah. Usually
Speaker 1: just the smart play in this game is to take
Speaker 1: just about everything. But I really do think and they
Speaker 1: don't have who's their backup right now? Um, they don't
Speaker 1: have one. It's still still drisk all and ripping right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's by design because I think there's
Speaker 1: the Independence Day, uh spaceship coming over, Empire State buildings
Speaker 1: set up happening. Here. Lock gets up to the backup
Speaker 1: or the temporary starter, and then the kid is there
Speaker 1: waiting in the wings and there's your quarterback room all right,
Speaker 1: uh so one more time and then we'll get to
Speaker 1: the mock draft alright, So like reg I am um
Speaker 1: betting on two different horses because I like. What I
Speaker 1: want to just say real quick is what I sense
Speaker 1: happening in America. UM is like a back inalia is
Speaker 1: going to be descending on us this summer. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot of people that have been trapped in
Speaker 1: homes and houses being absolutely crazy. And I mean I'm
Speaker 1: talking about all people in different stations of life. So
Speaker 1: this is really one of the first big outdoor public events.
Speaker 1: So I've talked about an animal running wild, which feels
Speaker 1: of the spear it of the of the weekend. UM.
Speaker 1: The second thing that I've suggested and I believe will
Speaker 1: happen and laugh at me now and then find out
Speaker 1: later that I'm correct, we will see a naked body
Speaker 1: part um during NFL network or ESPN's coverage of one
Speaker 1: draft unintended. UM. I don't know where it's coming from.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm not talking a player, probably, but
Speaker 1: who knows. But you know, there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of weird stuff crowd shots. I guarantee we get something
Speaker 1: that they did not UM dial up intentionally. You know.
Speaker 1: I like to like think about in the lead up
Speaker 1: to a show, whenever we takee like, you know, how's
Speaker 1: the show going to go? What's what are the mechanics
Speaker 1: of it? And I was thinking to myself, like Mark
Speaker 1: has his mock draft. That's gonna be a little tricky
Speaker 1: for him because he might step on some of his props.
Speaker 1: But little did I know Mark had it in his
Speaker 1: back pocket. He was just going to talk about naked
Speaker 1: people and animals running through. Didn't prop about a draft
Speaker 1: pack anyone hurt. He kept tight end, a backup tight end.
Speaker 1: And naked body part. Well, this is tricky because we
Speaker 1: have to define the body part. I mean, my arm
Speaker 1: is is in my forearm naked right now. And I
Speaker 1: had a feeling that question would come, and I think
Speaker 1: it's a fair question. I wouldn't try. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: try to um a private part. Well, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: pull one over on you guys by saying, oh, look
Speaker 1: at we saw someone's you know, hand extending up the
Speaker 1: wrist and arm area. It's like we're talking about something
Speaker 1: that should not be should not be seen in three
Speaker 1: are you counting the Hine's a butt like a naked
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, naked but the two bees, the V
Speaker 1: and the P that works, or a combination of you know,
Speaker 1: it could be more than one one of those together
Speaker 1: in a combination. Yeah, absolutely sure, I'll take you on it, Dan,
Speaker 1: Dan's experience speaking with five year olds, that's where we're at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll definitely take you by that. That's ridiculous. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you, Mark. Alright, Uh, finally all right. Excluding Jimmy G,
Speaker 1: who I've already excuse me, UM said, is moving in
Speaker 1: a trade. But let's just kind of let's keep him
Speaker 1: out of this conversation. There will be another quarterback who
Speaker 1: started football game or games on the move via trade
Speaker 1: before Saturday night. So forget about Jimmy G. Keep take
Speaker 1: him out of it. Any other quarterback, a starting quarterback
Speaker 1: in one of them gets dealt and UM put some
Speaker 1: thought into this. I'm thinking about who are those guys? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll get them to you. Teddy Bridgewater, I thought about.
Speaker 1: I thought somebody. I can't believe somebody. Well, Greg, you've
Speaker 1: still gotta go. I don't know where you're going with
Speaker 1: your last one, but um, Teddy Bridgewater could be on
Speaker 1: the move. CAM hypothetically could move. Mason Rudolph started that
Speaker 1: game against Cleveland, right, so one starter more, it's gardener.
Speaker 1: Gardner means shoe, Drew lock Hell, Jordan's love. I mean
Speaker 1: the Packers obviously are are deep in on Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: once again. I think one of those guys, but it
Speaker 1: could be anybody that started a game moved over from
Speaker 1: Thursday to Saturday night. It almost seems like very probable
Speaker 1: or possible. But I'm gonna take you up because sometimes
Speaker 1: these drafts just dripped by and none of these things happen.
Speaker 1: And I'll sit on that side of it. But you
Speaker 1: know that means even someone we're not talking up. By
Speaker 1: the way, if you're if you're like Brian Hoyer and
Speaker 1: you don't have a team and you started a game,
Speaker 1: that none of it has to be legit trade correct, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: and I'll take you up. Teddy or Minju. I mean
Speaker 1: those two would be the ones that have circled mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I don't like not take I don't like not taking it,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna not take it. Wow, I'm stunned. All right, good,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my final prop as no running
Speaker 1: backs get taken in the first round. I've enjoyed some
Speaker 1: of these UM shows talking about different props. It's it's
Speaker 1: interesting of like different ways you can talk about our
Speaker 1: friends established the run Evans Silva and the Levitan there
Speaker 1: on the other side of this, they think even maybe
Speaker 1: maybe more than one go. But I think in today's
Speaker 1: NFL Nach Harris to the Steelers is the one everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about. But if that doesn't happen, I think UH
Speaker 1: teams could wait. Javonte Williams maybe is another little little
Speaker 1: prop there that as the first running back off the
Speaker 1: board that I like, but I don't think it will
Speaker 1: be in the first round. No running backs in the
Speaker 1: first round. I'll definitely take you because I'm looking down
Speaker 1: from around liken On and I see some real targets
Speaker 1: for running backs, and I could see a team trading
Speaker 1: back up to like thirty two or something, just to
Speaker 1: make sure that you've got the Jets sitting at number
Speaker 1: two right in the second round. I think they're going
Speaker 1: running back there, so you gotta try to get ahead
Speaker 1: of them. UM, I'll take you on it. And I
Speaker 1: think there is obviously a little bit of an industry.
Speaker 1: UM people are spooked, and I think they feel like
Speaker 1: they're not on the right side of history. When you
Speaker 1: take a running back now, unless he's a sa Kwan
Speaker 1: Barkley generational type guy. I think these teams are now.
Speaker 1: They have it in their minds, and a lot of
Speaker 1: it is a herd mentality, like, hey, the smart football
Speaker 1: teams don't do this, and we're not gonna. We're not
Speaker 1: we don't want to be a dumb football team. So
Speaker 1: I think some of that factors in too. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say I I agree that there will not be
Speaker 1: but I also know because I've done this before, Greg
Speaker 1: and it it um and it's always a little bit
Speaker 1: tricky on draft night when we play this game and
Speaker 1: then you have to go through the whole draft and
Speaker 1: you have to be like, don't pick her running back,
Speaker 1: don't pick a running back when you get to um
Speaker 1: and I So I admire that you did this, and
Speaker 1: I purposely stayed away from these type of wagers this
Speaker 1: week for that reason. Yeah, I'll be nervous when the
Speaker 1: Steelers are on the board. That's that's the moment that
Speaker 1: the now I'm being anxious. Another team, all right, And
Speaker 1: of course Nick Fourtier over it. Go get my lunch
Speaker 1: dot Org has been tracking the stuff religious Lee for
Speaker 1: years and he's also on Twitter at go get my
Speaker 1: Lunch you could see the all time standings. Uh the um,
Speaker 1: you can go back for years now and check out
Speaker 1: how we did in pass drafts. I'm just gonna give
Speaker 1: your heads up. It usually doesn't go well. Um, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun. It's kind of funny. He's even
Speaker 1: got a soundboard over there. Go get my Lunch dot
Speaker 1: org for some of the funny drops of all time.
Speaker 1: So go check that out. And Nick, thank you again
Speaker 1: for all that you've done for the show. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's get to it. It's time. Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: You know we've always um, we've always waited for this
Speaker 1: mock draft because everyone's sick of the know. It alls
Speaker 1: the people that they're braggy and they say, oh here's
Speaker 1: mock point one point oh two point oh three point
Speaker 1: put me on NFL network. Oh this is the tape
Speaker 1: I was chewing. Uh, I'm a real tape dog. That's
Speaker 1: not you, that's not Mark Sessler. Mark. I put in
Speaker 1: the work. I put in the work. I know who
Speaker 1: these guys are. I've watched a college football game, like,
Speaker 1: that's not you. What you do you lay in the weaves,
Speaker 1: and you wait till the draft eve and then you
Speaker 1: drop a hammer that really affects the industry. And here
Speaker 1: we are again, the fourth annual Mark Sessler Mock Draft.
Speaker 1: How you feeling right now? Well, I'm feeling good, and
Speaker 1: I think you you hit on something that all these
Speaker 1: other people doing so much work, um, I take a
Speaker 1: completely different approach, which is do essentially about forty minutes
Speaker 1: of work and lean heavily on all these other tape
Speaker 1: guys that have done the hard work UM in life.
Speaker 1: I think that just starts to make sense as you
Speaker 1: creep up an age. And so I've leveraged that, done
Speaker 1: very little, but I know the industry UM is waiting,
Speaker 1: all eyes on what will happen over the next minutes.
Speaker 1: You're more honest a lot of a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I think, but this is gonna last for forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Well the reaver like, I mean right, well, you know,
Speaker 1: even after the show, and he said he put forty
Speaker 1: minutes of work into it, And I think, I think
Speaker 1: you're just You're just more honest. That's what we should
Speaker 1: call it. Mark Sessler's Honest mock Draft. Like that, and
Speaker 1: you could be like, if you want to look at
Speaker 1: it from a different angle. You could be like, you
Speaker 1: know how Kyle frant Good Morning Football, Friend of the Show.
Speaker 1: He's turned his body into a Temple seven. He his
Speaker 1: diet is outrageous. What what the the intake the amount
Speaker 1: of workout working out he does in the gym, and
Speaker 1: he studies all this. You're more like the seven minute
Speaker 1: acts of the draft induction industrial complex. I mean, if that,
Speaker 1: if that's so, you're absolutely right, all right, let's do it,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get to him. Alright, Ricky, I believe
Speaker 1: we have a marks mock draft. Is alright, how would
Speaker 1: you like you only just to read these off? How
Speaker 1: do you just one by one here you can comment?
Speaker 1: You know, that's nice set up? Go ahead, alright with
Speaker 1: the first nick in the draft. I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: like announced the same draft over and over like Roger
Speaker 1: goodell Um. The Jacksonville Jaguars they take Trevor Lawrence. We
Speaker 1: know that. What do we even need to say about that?
Speaker 1: Pick by pick analysis? Here? Okay, number two, the New
Speaker 1: York Jets they take Zach Wilson. Of course they do
Speaker 1: a quarterback b y U very smart moves and you
Speaker 1: know what's funny about that, Like we've heard so much
Speaker 1: now about why he's not the pick, it actually weirdly
Speaker 1: makes me feel better about it because Sam Donald checked
Speaker 1: all the boxes of a guy that would work, didn't
Speaker 1: work this guy. Oh, his schedule is soft, his body
Speaker 1: frame is not right. He's a kid from Utah, can
Speaker 1: handle New York. Great. All that makes sense. It's why
Speaker 1: it's gonna work this time. It's the summer of George theory.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'm totally with you. Number three pivot point
Speaker 1: in the draft to San Francisco forty Niners annoy many
Speaker 1: by taking Matt Jones quarterback Alabama. Yeah, I'm surprised how
Speaker 1: many UM people are still keeping Lance or Field in
Speaker 1: this spot. It's not that many. It's definitely the minority.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is the popular pick, and I would be
Speaker 1: shocked if it's not mac Jones at this point. And
Speaker 1: we talked about it on Tuesday's show, the Ian Rap
Speaker 1: Report report ruling out Justin Fields. You know, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to build an intrigue to the draft, but you
Speaker 1: didn't want to give it all away, that's the thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to give it away. Justin Fields is the
Speaker 1: guy that's kind of like the wild card if they
Speaker 1: would have drafted him. Oh that's that's very juicy. Now
Speaker 1: I'm just like, get it over with your not taking fields.
Speaker 1: One of these guys should be okay or not. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Alright, Number four, there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of reports of the Falcons. You know, the phones are
Speaker 1: gonna be ringing. People want to get up there to
Speaker 1: get you know, quarterback X. But they stay right at
Speaker 1: home and take Kyle Pitts, tight end out of Florida,
Speaker 1: possibly the best player in the entire draft. This is
Speaker 1: where um, either the mock draft industrial conflict complex will
Speaker 1: like go off target or not. Because the ESPN is
Speaker 1: now saying this pick is happening. They're they're straight out
Speaker 1: reporting at Fowler and Graziano. So and this is where
Speaker 1: everyone's got got Pitts, I mean unite. He needs to
Speaker 1: be is like he needs to be Tony Gonzale is
Speaker 1: great or whatever. Like DJ was on her show this
Speaker 1: month and said, don't get hung up on these wider
Speaker 1: these tight ends coming into the league and not being
Speaker 1: as great as advertised. This guy is basically a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: uh in a tight ends body and all that stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: he better be a superstar because, as I've said, I
Speaker 1: think they have so much leverage here they could they
Speaker 1: do a franchise reset with this fourth pick potentially. But
Speaker 1: you know what, Pitts is a super stud. It's the
Speaker 1: right move. Yep uh number five. You know I didn't
Speaker 1: just like create drama just for the sake of it.
Speaker 1: I think there are some safe things happening. There are
Speaker 1: reports that the Detroit Lions have tried to trade up
Speaker 1: to this spot where the Bengals are at and the
Speaker 1: Bengals aren't having anything to do with it, which tells
Speaker 1: me because the Lions want a wide receiver that the
Speaker 1: Bengals due to Jamaar Chase wide receiver l s U
Speaker 1: being paired with this old teammate Joe Burrow like it,
Speaker 1: I'd be bummed. I feel like I was thinking about
Speaker 1: a sandwich prop that Penny was a penny, So I
Speaker 1: can't I'd be if I'm a Cincinnati fan. I'm thinking, jeez,
Speaker 1: we saw it right there. We have this young quarterback
Speaker 1: that's such a stud, and we almost got him killed
Speaker 1: last year. And then you see this guy is a
Speaker 1: seen as a real big time alignment prospect and he's
Speaker 1: sitting there for you, and you go get a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. It's interesting because Pitts and
Speaker 1: and and Chase I think are as like universally beloved
Speaker 1: and as hyped, and I think as like believed to
Speaker 1: be as safe and good a pick as any at
Speaker 1: their positions in the last eight ten years. And it's
Speaker 1: sort of been overshadowed because of all these quarterbacks. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't think Pitts. I think Pitts is coming in
Speaker 1: with a better pedigree than any tight end in twenty
Speaker 1: years at least, maybe ever. And then Chase is close,
Speaker 1: So I get it. I get all right, number six, Ricky,
Speaker 1: we have a trade. Mm he trade alert? Oh wow, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers move up. Yeah. I would imagine the
Speaker 1: Dolphins were here. The Panthers conducted trade with the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: and they throw a little bit of a curveball. They
Speaker 1: take trade lance quarterback North Dakota State. Mm hmm. Would
Speaker 1: be fun. I like that. That's I mean, this is
Speaker 1: where Mark's starting to set himself apart. So far he's
Speaker 1: gone all chalk and this is this is spicy, this
Speaker 1: is special. Yeah, And I can't believe that. It felt
Speaker 1: like such a good sandwich prop Nobody threw out there
Speaker 1: the Panthers what they're gonna do on draft day and
Speaker 1: this um like this one. You're fine now you're finding
Speaker 1: out now what they're gonna do. Ricky, we have a
Speaker 1: trade at number seven he trade alert. Alright, the New
Speaker 1: England Patriots. You know, Matt Patricia isn't there anymore, but
Speaker 1: they still have their little friends inside the building in Michigan,
Speaker 1: and they trade with the Lions and they go get
Speaker 1: Greg's boy, Justin Field, quarterback out of Ohio State. I
Speaker 1: love It's marks mock draft. I mean, you just want
Speaker 1: me some sandwiches. I don't know who are who are
Speaker 1: their friends inside Detroit building? Uh well, I'm unaware that,
Speaker 1: like there's many people left over. Matt Patricia is with
Speaker 1: the Patriots though, um so maybe maybe that would help.
Speaker 1: Probably not, but I love it. Let's do it. You
Speaker 1: just wanted. Why do I feel somewhat like obligated to
Speaker 1: let the audience know that yes, for better or worse. Um,
Speaker 1: many of the drops in the show, I work with
Speaker 1: Ricky on this one. I was hands off. This is
Speaker 1: an Erica Mark Sessler drop. Joint. I want everybody to
Speaker 1: know that. All right, keep going. This goes back to
Speaker 1: my point earlier. It's smart to wash her hands of that.
Speaker 1: Uh ricky. Number eight, we have a trade. He trade alert.
Speaker 1: Now Greg's annoyed by that too. All right. The Vikings
Speaker 1: didn't no, No No, the Dolphins were sitting here at eight.
Speaker 1: After the Panthers trade the Dolphins Chris career Man, he
Speaker 1: is on the psilocybe and he's moving up and down
Speaker 1: the board. He allows the Vikings into the spot. Another trade.
Speaker 1: The Vikings go up and they get Penas Suell, offensive
Speaker 1: tackle Oregon. That's the one thing I think they might
Speaker 1: do if they were to move up the board, solidify
Speaker 1: that line for a change. I'm intrigued by the Vikings
Speaker 1: in this draft. I think they're an outside upset candidate
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback that that falls to. That's possible.
Speaker 1: Number nine the Denver Broncos, well they're a little bit
Speaker 1: out of this quarterback mix. They didn't they weren't aggressive enough.
Speaker 1: They go Patrick Surtan, cornerback Alabama. We just talked about
Speaker 1: him with Chase Goodbread on yesterday's show, Can't Do It.
Speaker 1: You did you move him in the draft just because
Speaker 1: I said you'd have him go to the Cowboys. That
Speaker 1: is correct, Thanks for your honesty. That a little peek
Speaker 1: behind the curtain there. Um. Yeah, if the Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: go into one with Drew lock as the unquestioned starter,
Speaker 1: they get everything to deserve. They will trust me, alright.
Speaker 1: Number ten, the Dallas Cowboys. You know they were divided.
Speaker 1: Some of them wanted Patrick Certan, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a higher power came in and altered the result. They
Speaker 1: get j C. Horn South Carolina cornerback. They need defense,
Speaker 1: they said, they do it. Jerry Jones has this little
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts fascination, but you're not getting him this time wherever. Alright,
Speaker 1: the crowd's going wide. Like I was thinking of our
Speaker 1: our guests. Do we want our guests to jump into
Speaker 1: this segment or we want to hold off for now?
Speaker 1: What do you think? I think we should give him
Speaker 1: his own world? Okay, but we I can, I can
Speaker 1: also we can. We're getting that part of the draft
Speaker 1: where you're feeling like, you know, let's speed it up
Speaker 1: a little here. So New York Giants at number eleven,
Speaker 1: Jail and Waddle wide receiver Alabama suddenly that offense looks fiery, spicy.
Speaker 1: This is what this is my whole theory. If you're
Speaker 1: not sure on a young quarterback, build up around him
Speaker 1: and then give him a chance, which is kind of
Speaker 1: what I wanted to just do with Donald. Do it
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones. If you have Kenny Golladay and now
Speaker 1: you have Jalen Waddle and you have Evan Ingram and
Speaker 1: se Kwan Back and Sterling Shepherd's in the mix, and um,
Speaker 1: that is a nice that's a nice group. Okay, yes
Speaker 1: it is, alright, number twelve, we have a trade, Ricky
Speaker 1: he trade alert, alright, uh Las Vegas Um trades with
Speaker 1: the Eagles to move up to number twelve and they
Speaker 1: get an offensive tackle they've needed out of Northwestern Rashawn Slater.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Ricky. I mean, I know we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of a mock draft, but we we have
Speaker 1: some big breaking news in real life which just blew
Speaker 1: up our whole show. Come on, people, The Panthers are
Speaker 1: trading quarterback Teddy Bridgewater to the Broncos for a sixth
Speaker 1: round draft pick. According to Tom Palasero. Nice com U
Speaker 1: wait that just ruined my whole Broncos though, I'm just
Speaker 1: lost the sandwich, by the way. Well that and you
Speaker 1: know what, yeah that it felt like they were doing
Speaker 1: the Independence day moved. They didn't have anybody in the
Speaker 1: quarterback room behind Lock, and now they have they have.
Speaker 1: I just want a sandwich, you said during the draft.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's that's the sandwich prop that was locked in, baby.
Speaker 1: I didn't take you up on it. So ultimately that
Speaker 1: gives me a chance to pat myself on the back.
Speaker 1: So I'll agree with that. I mean winners and losers list.
Speaker 1: Patrick starts handing the Broncos starting to look Yeah, that
Speaker 1: looks better. Wow, I you know, just before we move.
Speaker 1: I don't think that totally rules out the Broncos taking
Speaker 1: a quarterback, uh in round one. This is a sixth
Speaker 1: round draft pick, um, and it's a long term decision
Speaker 1: to take quarterback, and and how can Drew Lock or
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater confidently be their long term quarterback? So I
Speaker 1: don't think it totally rules it out, but it's certainly
Speaker 1: what does it mean last Anthers too? Now you got
Speaker 1: Sam Donald? There no true uh number two? Donald still
Speaker 1: holding his breath here? Put it that way, by the way,
Speaker 1: I heard, Yeah, that's a good point, dan Um, I
Speaker 1: think they might be taken. I know Mark's got to
Speaker 1: moving up. And I just want to tell you all
Speaker 1: the Broncos fans out there, Um, when I kept pushing
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater to Denver and they're like, don't put that
Speaker 1: evil on us, Come on, don't do that, It's like
Speaker 1: I did put that evil on you, and now he's
Speaker 1: on your team. Eat it. Oh my goodness, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like him. If this is what the Broncos solution is.
Speaker 1: This is like four minutes after I made my last comment, Uh,
Speaker 1: You're gonna get what's coming to you. And that's it.
Speaker 1: It's just like or Teddy Bridgewater still not good enough.
Speaker 1: It's a sixth round who who's probably not going to
Speaker 1: make your team and you you, I can I can
Speaker 1: confidently say their court a back position is better if
Speaker 1: Drew Lock never plays another snap and you play Teddy
Speaker 1: bridge Water and said, you're still in good shape, but
Speaker 1: you're better at the most important position for this year.
Speaker 1: So it totally makes sense for a six round pick.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the Panthers are eating most of the
Speaker 1: money as long as it doesn't prevent them from grabbing
Speaker 1: fields if you fail to them if they ever passed
Speaker 1: over that because of Teddy Bridgewater, you know, totally hide
Speaker 1: out in the Rocky manage totally. What an interesting trade
Speaker 1: in the middle of this particular show, a very interesting
Speaker 1: all right, keep going, Mark A right number thirteen. The
Speaker 1: Chargers take Micah Parsons linebacker Penn State UH number fourteen.
Speaker 1: This is where the Vikings were. The Dolphins now finally
Speaker 1: sit home and this worked out well for them. Davanta
Speaker 1: Smith wide receiver Alabama. They pick up a bunch of
Speaker 1: picks and the guy they kind of wanted all along
Speaker 1: there it is. And that's that would be like the
Speaker 1: area where with my sandwich prop if if whoever is
Speaker 1: that guy that falls there, go be aggressive and try
Speaker 1: to trade into that spot because that feels like a
Speaker 1: great value. And just like with Daniel Jones, you're not
Speaker 1: totally sure about two it yet. Give him will Fuller,
Speaker 1: you know, give him DeVante Parker, and now give him
Speaker 1: one of the top rookies UM wide receivers in the
Speaker 1: draft class and see if he's playing that guitar. Some
Speaker 1: people might take that pet think he's gonna take him
Speaker 1: at six. If this happened, Mark, and I'm writing Winners
Speaker 1: and losers like you know for the website. Oh, they'll
Speaker 1: get a lot of like a's and winners nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: and I file for two know people nothing people like
Speaker 1: more than trading back and getting getting guys. People know.
Speaker 1: That's dead on all right? Now where the Patriots, where
Speaker 1: the Lions are, and they take Quitty pay Edge out
Speaker 1: of Michigan, not as you know, maybe high octaneous you
Speaker 1: would have thought they'd go, but they could have gone
Speaker 1: quarterback or wide receiver at seven. But that defense needs
Speaker 1: all sorts of help, so hard to pick who would
Speaker 1: be the first d drusher. I feel like one through six,
Speaker 1: it's like pick your poison anyone, you know, if different
Speaker 1: teams are gonna like different guys. Yep, alright, Washington, Now
Speaker 1: we have a trade Ricky Wow, he alert. I mean
Speaker 1: the number of trades maybe a secondary trade drop, but
Speaker 1: that I'm out on that. I've lost that one like
Speaker 1: twelve times, so I didn't go down that road. But
Speaker 1: this is a bit of a more low k. They're
Speaker 1: only moving up four spots um to where Arizona was,
Speaker 1: and they take Jeremiah Wasasu Taramoa linebacker Notre Dame. Very
Speaker 1: versatile player, like what I hear about him. I like
Speaker 1: what I hear earlier than people think, but I like,
Speaker 1: I like the kind of this guy's jim. Alright, we've
Speaker 1: got seventeen the Eagles where the Las Vegas Raiders were,
Speaker 1: Take a z's edge out of Georgia. You weren't concerned
Speaker 1: about the medical stuff popping up their mark, Well that's
Speaker 1: on the Eagles. You know they've got a they've got
Speaker 1: a gigantic life size cut out in Howie Roseman's office
Speaker 1: of a Z S O. Glari. Now, so all you
Speaker 1: chips to the end of the table, all right. Now,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins again at number eighteen, take Jail and Phillips
Speaker 1: edge out of Miami a run on edge rushers, very nice,
Speaker 1: all right? Now nineteen where the where Washington was um
Speaker 1: Arizona takes Elijah Vera Tucker offensive line USC E V
Speaker 1: E VT. They need help, but in multiple positions doesn't
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter where they play, and that that
Speaker 1: gets other teams a little concerned about the offensive line scenarios.
Speaker 1: So the Chicago Bears, you know, as underwhelming as possible,
Speaker 1: sitting at number twenty, take Christian Derris saw offensive tackle
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. That should help Andy Dalton throw for two
Speaker 1: hundred two thousand, five hundred yards and twelve touchdowns next season.
Speaker 1: So your mock draft, in some ways was a way
Speaker 1: to get another shot at Ryan Pace and the Bears are.
Speaker 1: The Bears are in a no win scenario. They're picking
Speaker 1: at twenty. There's there's almost nothing they can do outside
Speaker 1: of trading for Russell Wilson that will satisfy anyway. But
Speaker 1: there will be whispers that they tried to trade up
Speaker 1: into this top ten area to get a quarterback and
Speaker 1: teams just wouldn't let it happen. Number twenty one the
Speaker 1: Indian Polis called Tevin Jenkins offensive tackle, Oklahoma State. You
Speaker 1: know they got their left tackle was retired. That's just
Speaker 1: a right that that was a need over It was
Speaker 1: a need that they addressed right there. Number twenty two
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. Greg Newsome, cornerback, Northwestern, oh. One of
Speaker 1: the one of the props I was thinking of throwing in,
Speaker 1: but it seems a little too dorky for Sandwiches. Was
Speaker 1: over five five and a half cornerbacks. I think there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of cornerbacks and there here's one
Speaker 1: of them. I'm with you, um, all right, now, would
Speaker 1: I like to maybe alter this for something a little
Speaker 1: maybe more logical, Yes, but I care about our show
Speaker 1: more and I know where Dan's heart lies. Number twenty three,
Speaker 1: the New York Jets take Landon Dickerson's center at Alabama.
Speaker 1: He will play nine straight years without missing a game.
Speaker 1: Stick it draft Nicks to do something that's never happened
Speaker 1: in the history of the Around the NFL podcast. Sandwich
Speaker 1: prop cut if Landon Dickerson goes to the Jets, even
Speaker 1: though Dan didn't give it as a sandwich. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna give Danna Sando just just for putting it out
Speaker 1: into the universe, and it gives us some excitement with that.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna I thought about that as a
Speaker 1: sandwich property, just like you know, lot of murdy and
Speaker 1: deep on this guy. And I need to be losing
Speaker 1: sandwiches because you know, I don't lose one, I don't
Speaker 1: gain one. If I'm right, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But I have, you know, checked in
Speaker 1: with some Sparrows as the insider, and everyone's saying the
Speaker 1: same thing that this guy is a first round player
Speaker 1: that just no one's gonna pull the trigger because of
Speaker 1: the injuries, even if he was doing cart wheels with
Speaker 1: a recently repaired a c L tear uh during Pro Day,
Speaker 1: which seems crazy to me that he did that, but
Speaker 1: he also played in the championship game. I'm taking the
Speaker 1: l just um for sentimentality right there. Number twenty four
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. Oh, Greg Nausea Harris running back Alabama.
Speaker 1: They have to they don't have to. Actually, they could
Speaker 1: go offensive line, but they don't love what's at all.
Speaker 1: They don't have to at all. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: find how a trade sermon in the second round. You
Speaker 1: find the second round running back. Defensive line is guar bitch,
Speaker 1: and if there's some value there in the offensive line
Speaker 1: or cornerback or wherever I'm staying in this mock draft.
Speaker 1: They don't like what happened here because a lot of
Speaker 1: offensive linemen have have vanished. The Steelers are way too
Speaker 1: sensible and sorry boring um and successful by the way
Speaker 1: to do it. But I still would love to see
Speaker 1: them get crazy and go get a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: first round, but it's probably not gonna happen alright. Number
Speaker 1: twenty five the Jacksonville Jaguars take Christian Barmore, defensive tackle Alabama.
Speaker 1: There are concerns if he's coachable, but Urban Meyer uh
Speaker 1: seems to be the guy who understands the college culture
Speaker 1: and the college players, and he doesn't feel concerned about
Speaker 1: bar Moore's He he understands them before they get a
Speaker 1: five year guaranteed, you know, contract that pays them like
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars. We'll see if you can handle a player.
Speaker 1: Then a little different here in the pros. Number twenty
Speaker 1: six to Cleveland Browns. You know, they were very into
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley, but there are you know, the medicals are
Speaker 1: starting to become an issue. They go Gregory Rousseau edge
Speaker 1: out of Miami. They don't think the Gendeveon Clowney is
Speaker 1: enough at deposition, so let's settle down everyone. Number seven
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens Jail and Mayfield offensive tackle. They got
Speaker 1: put in a little bit of a tough spot here.
Speaker 1: They had to go and look for the best lineman
Speaker 1: available out of Michigan, Um greg your Saints. Number twenty
Speaker 1: eight take Xavin Collins, linebacker out of Tulsa. So if
Speaker 1: he's living in a dorm, he could just continue to
Speaker 1: live there. He doesn't even need to relocate. It's a
Speaker 1: very seamless pick up. I mean, this guy, I think
Speaker 1: this is the Patriots. Un Tulsa. Oh, actually right, it's
Speaker 1: it's I said, Tulsa. So he would need to leave
Speaker 1: his dorm room. That would be weird, Tulsa. It is
Speaker 1: pretty far though. He did have a pick six to
Speaker 1: win a game in overtime, uh and against Tulane, and
Speaker 1: it is funny to watch him play Tulane. He's a
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy pound off ball linebacker who is
Speaker 1: a valedictorian and wants to be like a doctor. And
Speaker 1: it looks like a Anna Monks, but he is a
Speaker 1: fascinating guy. He feels like the guy the Patriots will
Speaker 1: take at fifteen and everyone will go crazy because you know,
Speaker 1: no one sees him going that good value for the Saints.
Speaker 1: At number twenty nine, the Green Bay Packers take Darius Tony,
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of Florida. They finally do what everyone
Speaker 1: hoped they would do a couple of drafts. I feel
Speaker 1: like they're like they're making a point now to stick
Speaker 1: it to everybody and be like, we're not gonna do
Speaker 1: what you want us to do. And take a wide receiver. Ever,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be funny if they took another quarterback
Speaker 1: starts just like build out that depth chart. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I probably definitely got that one wrong, all right.
Speaker 1: Number thirty, Oh, Greg, Buffalo Bills, Javonta Williams, running back
Speaker 1: North Carolina. They love him. It's not too early to
Speaker 1: take a running back in your draft. They already lost
Speaker 1: that running back prop and now you're just sticking it
Speaker 1: to me. But yeah, that would be bad. You're exactly right.
Speaker 1: Number thirty one. This is Baltimore's pick from the Kansas
Speaker 1: City trade for Orlando Brown Junior. They take Trevin Morrigg
Speaker 1: safety TCU. That's a Baltimore. If the Ravens have two
Speaker 1: first round picks and they don't take a receiver, I
Speaker 1: mean Lamar shauld start picketing outside the building or something, well,
Speaker 1: he will be more chaos. We invite it. Oh, last
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. We have a trade, Ricky, he
Speaker 1: trade alert little laugh laugh. That's disturbing. So there's the
Speaker 1: the idea that there's a trade. Is that what triggers
Speaker 1: the flag lens or is it the flathing? I don't
Speaker 1: know just what's the connection. I like it. But I
Speaker 1: think I would actually suggest that Ricky was maybe had
Speaker 1: a little bit more to do with that part of it,
Speaker 1: so we could ask her when the time is right.
Speaker 1: It was like a chili cook off or something. She
Speaker 1: came straight here and yeah, I bet that's what was happening.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. So the Bucks allowed the Falcons back into
Speaker 1: this thirty second spot and they might be dealing with
Speaker 1: this for years to come. Oh, Greg Travis e t
Speaker 1: n running back out of Clemson. Falcons need a running back.
Speaker 1: They don't like the Jets sitting there, you know, two
Speaker 1: picks later, so three running backs in the first round.
Speaker 1: I want zero. That would have been a good sandwich prop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would have been bold, all right, but running nude
Speaker 1: through the crop quaddle draft. Don't think about dogs. But
Speaker 1: I wish you well, that's good, good job, market, good
Speaker 1: stuff everyone except that. How do you how do you
Speaker 1: count a win? Sorry not to like you have to
Speaker 1: match the team with with the player to count as
Speaker 1: a as a right answer, because you had so many trades,
Speaker 1: it gets a little confusing here, right way to do it?
Speaker 1: The spot is less important. I guess what constituent success there? Mark?
Speaker 1: How many? How many getting getting right. Are you feeling
Speaker 1: like you're a winner there? It is? Okay, so we'll
Speaker 1: track that will circle back on Saturday. If he gets
Speaker 1: nineteen or more, Mark should host the show for the
Speaker 1: rest of the off season, and then I will say
Speaker 1: show host every show and if that, if Landa. Dickerson
Speaker 1: is one of them, I'll take one of those sandwiches
Speaker 1: and give it straight to Mark because you deserve it,
Speaker 1: my friend. All right, Ricky, let's do it. If you acoustics,
Speaker 1: by the way, I just found a safe space. Is
Speaker 1: this are the acoustic you're saying you're safe with us
Speaker 1: two days ago? Then you're rescheduled league, But uh, it's
Speaker 1: good to see your freaking faces. That imaginement. Jonathan Williams
Speaker 1: going to have taken the league by storm. You know.
Speaker 1: Two Attack of Miloa is about is funny college football
Speaker 1: players I've ever seen in my life. This is what
Speaker 1: we're doing with the clown music here. This is so
Speaker 1: it's so it's a guy you're staking your name to.
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield Jr. Cole McDonald the quarterback in Hawaii. He's
Speaker 1: a pretty good athlete, and uh he will absolutely McDonald,
Speaker 1: Cole McDonald, Cole McDonald there is the legend himself. Well,
Speaker 1: you heard Chris Westling, a legend for all times. And
Speaker 1: Chris Westling had a friend in the desert. In fact,
Speaker 1: we called him this individual Chris Westlings desert consigliari for
Speaker 1: all things gambling. Excuse me, sports wagering, sports betting. I
Speaker 1: don't know anyway. Now, for I believe the fourth time
Speaker 1: on the program, here he is Spice Rack. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the Around the NFL podcast. You're muted, buddy. We'll
Speaker 1: edit it out, but you're muted. Don't edit it out.
Speaker 1: Mistakes happened on live television, Greg, nobody ever told you
Speaker 1: that the podcast. But we can't see Spicyl network next year.
Speaker 1: We're working, we're working towards that, and um, you know, Spice,
Speaker 1: I think and you did request feel free to introduce
Speaker 1: me as the Midwest's pre eminent long shot parlay better
Speaker 1: kind of like that is, Let's let's catch up a
Speaker 1: little bit first. You are no longer in the desert,
Speaker 1: correct I am, But in your heart I'm there maybe
Speaker 1: uh once every two months, primarily primarily in Cincinnati. Yes,
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati, of course, where you met the great Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: And I know it was important to you and and
Speaker 1: and important does before we dig into all the fun
Speaker 1: and making your annual um draft predictions. And by the way,
Speaker 1: we have our fund. But Spicy is as educated as
Speaker 1: they get and turned. This man is a college football
Speaker 1: fanatic and he has good instincts. So yes, for every
Speaker 1: Jonathan Williams uh miss and everybody's got miss, he's got
Speaker 1: I don't think that was all the way I miss
Speaker 1: How about old McDonald, Yeah, that was all the way
Speaker 1: I missed the seventh round pick Cole McDonald and he's
Speaker 1: still in the league, so you know he was Cole McDonald.
Speaker 1: If you want to have a Cole McDonald pod on
Speaker 1: the heels of a theology pod. Relaxed Greig Okay, he
Speaker 1: was the first player cut from the last draft. Tough Sich,
Speaker 1: tough sich. But anyway, before we dig into the predictions,
Speaker 1: and I want you to share your thoughts about where
Speaker 1: you're at, um, where you know now a couple of
Speaker 1: months since Chris passed. I know West was a very
Speaker 1: important figure in your life. Spicy zeus, I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to uh, honestly, we just had a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes of jokes there, but I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to transition into this. Really. I mean to say
Speaker 1: it's someone that I think about every day, or like
Speaker 1: multiple times every day is such an understatement. Um he
Speaker 1: I mean even you know, as the red season fired up,
Speaker 1: you know, it became a little more difficult to be honest.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's nothing that happens in a Reds
Speaker 1: game to three times a game that I don't immediately think.
Speaker 1: You know, I would have texted West right then and
Speaker 1: there shaky bullpen guy or like an intriguing young fella.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's it's it's uh. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's on my mind constantly. I'm sure you know. I
Speaker 1: know he is. You guys too, and go ahead, go ahead. Now,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Luis Castillo, the ace of the Reds,
Speaker 1: who struggling. I drafted into my fantasy league in a
Speaker 1: way as a nod to West, and it's like, let's
Speaker 1: ride together with Castilla as an ace his struggles. Like,
Speaker 1: I think, the same thing I want to text West
Speaker 1: and talk about is this guy going to get back
Speaker 1: on track? I mean, West was such a great, uh friend,
Speaker 1: but such an amazing sports friend to just shoot the
Speaker 1: s about and Spicy we are going to the Reds
Speaker 1: Dodgers game today in honor of West. So just a
Speaker 1: little nugget there. Well, I gotta tell you the Reds
Speaker 1: one each of the last two nights against the defending champs.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like their chances too much tonight.
Speaker 1: M Well, a little more hitable than he used to be.
Speaker 1: We we. I spoke with Spicy pretty soon after, you know,
Speaker 1: West died and and you said something you know that
Speaker 1: really stuck with me. But how how much West believed
Speaker 1: in you? Um? You know you you became friends with
Speaker 1: West through his family. Who which Wesley brother was it?
Speaker 1: That was like, because you're three years younger than West
Speaker 1: that you were close with, and you kind of got
Speaker 1: to know West as an older brother. You know, Greg,
Speaker 1: I'm actually I don't know, maybe six six years younger
Speaker 1: than him, And the connection actually is that he was,
Speaker 1: Um it's gonna sound weird, but I used to see
Speaker 1: him a lot when I was younger. He was my
Speaker 1: neighbors cousin's boyfriend. I know that sounds crazy, but he
Speaker 1: used to be over a lot. And then, uh, I
Speaker 1: don't you know, we just clicked right away. We connected
Speaker 1: right away. I think he identified me as someone who
Speaker 1: what what was that extra level of sports obsessive you know,
Speaker 1: he he, he recognized the younger Chris in that regard.
Speaker 1: I'm by no means as smartest or as well read
Speaker 1: as West was, but just on that sports front, just
Speaker 1: that extra level of passionate passion on every front really
Speaker 1: you know, just like it and it never and it
Speaker 1: never stopped. And so but yeah, no, I meant from
Speaker 1: the second I met him, we yes, we clicked and
Speaker 1: we connected and we always like we were always in
Speaker 1: like regular touch. But I he became someone that was
Speaker 1: like a measuring stick on every level, you know, like
Speaker 1: we were early in the fantasy football game, Like I
Speaker 1: always measured myself against him and anything I ever put
Speaker 1: out to the public, I always thought to myself, you know,
Speaker 1: what would West think or if he thought it was
Speaker 1: silly or you know, I had to check myself a lot,
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, and he checked me a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, when we were younger. And I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: sort of rambling at this point, but no, I mean
Speaker 1: that's uh, we're kinda we relate to everything you're saying,
Speaker 1: especially what you said about how you know, having some
Speaker 1: a thought or a take about sports and you and
Speaker 1: you kind of hoped to pass that West test because
Speaker 1: you just we respected him so much from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: and like you know, when we talk about how do
Speaker 1: you honor the memory of West, like going to the
Speaker 1: Red Dodgers matinee today and Lakisha is actually gonna be
Speaker 1: there with Link and she doesn't know that we're going,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna surprise her and that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: nice moment. And the facts spicy that you are on
Speaker 1: the podcast today, that is that is honoring West because
Speaker 1: he did love you. I wouldn't know you, guys. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't know obviously without without West. And you know, so
Speaker 1: West stays connected to us forever. And you know, as
Speaker 1: that transition, West loved having you on the show. And
Speaker 1: West was so he you heard him at the end
Speaker 1: of that clip. I think it might be the first
Speaker 1: time we played him on the show since he passed away. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was the one that called out was that old McDonald's,
Speaker 1: which I always loved, one of my favorite lines and
Speaker 1: podcast history. So this is what we're gonna do. Let's
Speaker 1: transition now, um, because if Wes can listen, he's listening
Speaker 1: right now. He wants to hear. We want to hear
Speaker 1: the spice Rack sleepers, the guys, not even sleepers necessarily,
Speaker 1: although we welcome sleepers of course, but the guys that
Speaker 1: spice Rack loves and feels very confident are going to
Speaker 1: translate from one level to the top level of professional football.
Speaker 1: The runaways. You're spicy, takeoff, baby. You know what, Let's
Speaker 1: start this runway with a let's defer to Mr Rosenthal
Speaker 1: over there in the top right WHOA you already know
Speaker 1: I'm saying you. Well, what I know is before this
Speaker 1: college football season even started, I started getting the text
Speaker 1: about Kyle Pitts before, you know, before this season, that
Speaker 1: not only was he going to be the best player
Speaker 1: in the upcoming draft, but that he's maybe the best
Speaker 1: player spice Rack has ever seen, and that he's going
Speaker 1: to change the game, and that this is this is
Speaker 1: you know, pre pre uh this season. And now we're
Speaker 1: coming into the draft where we're basically every evaluator is
Speaker 1: right on board with you after watching that season, and
Speaker 1: I think we we've almost short drifted him here because
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a tight end prospect in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: Um with this sort of juice and sort of attention.
Speaker 1: Not Vernon Davis, not Kellen wins On, none of these
Speaker 1: tight ends. Like you, you saw Kyle Pitts as as
Speaker 1: a different guy before this season. I can only imagine
Speaker 1: after what he did in you feel it even stronger.
Speaker 1: You know. No, uh, thanks for the talk up. There
Speaker 1: no no need to watch a Kyle Pitts highlight tape
Speaker 1: when you've already watched fift his games. Not Ricky, knock
Speaker 1: it off. This isn't the episode for that. Ricky, don't
Speaker 1: try to control the program. Just roll with it. I
Speaker 1: think if she's gonna play that music, she should sure face.
Speaker 1: It is a different experience being able to I know,
Speaker 1: I met, I met Ricky Hollywood. Yeah yeah, sure, A
Speaker 1: good big guy like I wouldn't I wouldn't have known that.
Speaker 1: Spicies like six ft. I don't know what he is.
Speaker 1: He's tall, he's a striking you know, he's intimidating. That's
Speaker 1: why Erica shut the music off. Go ahead, Spicy, what's next?
Speaker 1: Damn all right now? I feel rushed. But exactly, Ricky, exactly,
Speaker 1: if you have anything to stay on, Pitts, say it.
Speaker 1: I mean, highest arter, that's you know what Ricky. That's
Speaker 1: a bold move and I respect it. On the Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts front, you know, uh, he's like, uh, he will
Speaker 1: transform any offense from day one. He will. He's a
Speaker 1: contender day you know, year one to lead the NFL
Speaker 1: and touchdowns. Okay, now we're talking here. It's uh, it's
Speaker 1: so obvious that he's a mismatch problem. You know. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's one of the few. He might be the only
Speaker 1: tight end I've seen since Shannon Sharpe to be able
Speaker 1: to catch one at eight or ten yards and take
Speaker 1: a seventy Okay, all right, Uh shann was like six
Speaker 1: one or six two. He was. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much blocking Kyle Pitts is gonna do, but
Speaker 1: certainly his run after the catchability is Wait so I'm talking,
Speaker 1: I'm talking. Yeah, But you know who cares about that?
Speaker 1: I don't flare, I I don't. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you can black Cincinnati native the idea of Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: throwing the Kyle Pitts. Do you think that's a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame connection? You know what I is is as
Speaker 1: bullish as I am on Joe Burrow now and then,
Speaker 1: and and everything in between. I'm I feel more confident
Speaker 1: putting Kyle Pitts and Canton right now. WHOA, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: that's not that's not. Listen. Okay. So I was speaking
Speaker 1: of Greg on the phone just the other you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a week ago or so, and I was saying
Speaker 1: to him, you know, uh, it's he's not like the
Speaker 1: toughest prospect the spot he jumps off the screen. It's
Speaker 1: not one of those guys where you hear his name,
Speaker 1: hear his name and at the end of the game
Speaker 1: he has three for thirty eight. He's I mean, he is,
Speaker 1: he's a problem. Let's let's let's roll on spicy. What
Speaker 1: else you got? Just if I could stick, if I
Speaker 1: could stick on pits for a second. He No, Well,
Speaker 1: let me just say, I mean, I just not what
Speaker 1: else needs to be said. I'm telling you is great?
Speaker 1: Is he is after the catch man in the red
Speaker 1: zone and on jump balls. I mean, he's already pretty
Speaker 1: much in a class of his own. You can put him,
Speaker 1: you can put him in this year. It's Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame coming up in August. I've met in Atlanta. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna get to Cincinnati. I think that's
Speaker 1: a nice and nice fit. Alright, Spicy, we got we
Speaker 1: have limitations. We gotta get to Dodger Stadium. Spicy, I
Speaker 1: mean to see your Reds and root for the Reds.
Speaker 1: So let's let's keep rolling here. Yeah, is that a question? No?
Speaker 1: What else you got? What else you got? Spicy? I got?
Speaker 1: I got a lot of guys. You know, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? But your second favorite after Pitts, Who's
Speaker 1: who's the mid round guy? Or who's who's doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be mid round? But who who is the guy
Speaker 1: that you really believe in that you think will get
Speaker 1: called Thursday night in first round? Well, I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't Alijah More should get drafted.
Speaker 1: Um again, another thing, greg As, I was telling you
Speaker 1: the other day, I've been prone to falling in love
Speaker 1: with you know, the undersize, shifty, uh you know, punt
Speaker 1: return ability type guy. You know the guys who light
Speaker 1: up seven on seven and spring games and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Um, But you know you can't, you know,
Speaker 1: he can't change your stripes. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stick with with Alijah More. He could hunt, he
Speaker 1: could hunt Mark, I could totally see him being one
Speaker 1: of the Ravens picks that seven or thirty one and
Speaker 1: catching like balls and being the guy that Lamar Jackson needs.
Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. I think the hit
Speaker 1: between him and us, as well as Tony Ben at Florida, UM,
Speaker 1: I it to me, both guys seem like just studs
Speaker 1: slock eyes, just studs, studs in the slot. And uh,
Speaker 1: who's the best quarterback in this class? Spicy? The best quarterback?
Speaker 1: Is it Trevor Lawrence? Is he gonna be the best
Speaker 1: pro coming out of this class? Do you see somebody else? Yes? No,
Speaker 1: I take Trevor Lawrence and don't think twice. Not take him.
Speaker 1: That's to give and he's going there. But as far
Speaker 1: as just upside, he's the most ready day one eighteen
Speaker 1: year old I've ever seen. Period. He lived up to
Speaker 1: the hype immediately. He within two or three weeks or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, um overtook the starting spot from a
Speaker 1: guy who just the previous season started you know, a
Speaker 1: final four game and nactually whatever it will final four game.
Speaker 1: I think Kelly Bryant, who eventually transferred to miss started
Speaker 1: like immediately as a true freshman, overtook the starting spot,
Speaker 1: you know before the end of September and upgraded the team.
Speaker 1: You know from day one. It wasn't a long term play.
Speaker 1: It was right then and there. Uh so, and and
Speaker 1: the one thing that you know to to factor in
Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence if he gets a clever play caller,
Speaker 1: um not under do not undersell his athleticism, just his
Speaker 1: his ability to run with the football. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you want to run read option with him. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you want him lowering his shoulder in games. But
Speaker 1: this guy is fast, like I mean, he can like
Speaker 1: run by safeties. So uh, I mean, he's a slammed
Speaker 1: one of the best looking prospects I've ever seen. Who
Speaker 1: do you want to talk about? Who you want to
Speaker 1: put the spice rack stamp on When we're playing those
Speaker 1: clips next year and we we bring up Antonine Winfield,
Speaker 1: that was a big that was a big win. Antoine
Speaker 1: Winfield could think that's a good guy, Spicy, because I
Speaker 1: want to help you by narrowing it down and so
Speaker 1: you can focus in on it. Who is somebody in
Speaker 1: this draft that's not getting a lot of first like
Speaker 1: first round hype or anything like that, but you could
Speaker 1: see becoming a pretty much an immediate starter, a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl type player, maybe even All Pro type player. Who's
Speaker 1: that guy that people aren't quite seeing how good he is?
Speaker 1: First of all, why hasn't Mark asked me a question?
Speaker 1: I am just a spune sort of soaking in the knowledge,
Speaker 1: and I mean that. But also on this podcast isn't
Speaker 1: hosted by thirty guys. It's fair, it's fair. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: waiting to find out. Let's go. I'm not buying mar
Speaker 1: Mark knows where to hit his spots. What I need
Speaker 1: from you right now? Give me that guy, and then Cessler,
Speaker 1: I think, is going to follow up with something himself,
Speaker 1: and then everybody wins. What do you got? Well, how
Speaker 1: about if we're talking running backs all right, which obviously
Speaker 1: everyone knows you don't draft on early all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and uh, just you know, you just can't be too
Speaker 1: sure with with any of these guys, and it's it's
Speaker 1: almost a position not worth talking about. Um sell it.
Speaker 1: Javante Williams at North Carolina, Baby, Okay, let's talk. I
Speaker 1: like him. I watch a lot of football with um.
Speaker 1: Now I'm telling you I have not done the mock draft,
Speaker 1: mock draft prep or you know, like this is not
Speaker 1: what I do all day. I bet on baseball. Okay,
Speaker 1: I track about fifteen baseball games a day. That's where
Speaker 1: I spend my time. You know. Uh, but I watched games.
Speaker 1: I watched more games than anybody just period. I watched
Speaker 1: more games than anybody. And uh so I'll have during
Speaker 1: cost football season, like six or seven screens up at once,
Speaker 1: and uh you can only have the volume on one.
Speaker 1: All right, North Carolina. Every time I look up at
Speaker 1: this North Carolina game, there's a dude taking one seventy,
Speaker 1: taking one thirty or like leaning on a defense six
Speaker 1: seven eleven. I mean, just uh, you know, he he
Speaker 1: just stood out to me little frank vibe. I think
Speaker 1: he's a young frank, young Frank vibe. But but I thought,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is you know, no disrespect to Naja
Speaker 1: Harris or or even like Jared Patterson Buffalo. Mean Jared
Speaker 1: Patterson at Buffalo and for like four thousand yards on
Speaker 1: six yards to carry. He didn't have that like all
Speaker 1: the tread and the time. You know he's he's he's
Speaker 1: relatively fresh, but he ran for four thousand yards in college.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't put it past the alside A four
Speaker 1: hundred yard game. But he's uh. I wouldn't put it
Speaker 1: past a guy like him either. But it's tough. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're not a good receiver from the
Speaker 1: start out of the backfield, it's it's you know, you
Speaker 1: almost become a like a not a gimmick, but you
Speaker 1: become a change of pace kind of guy, just a
Speaker 1: hammer as opposed to an all around guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown at you might be another running back. I
Speaker 1: really like him. He has like seven career receptions. You
Speaker 1: know he's five ten to ten or you know, you
Speaker 1: know five eleven to fifteen or whatever that he is.
Speaker 1: But he's like he's never caught the ball. So like
Speaker 1: he he's got the size you want, but does he
Speaker 1: have everything else? Yes, we've talked to all offensive players,
Speaker 1: learned a lot. Let's flip it the defense in your
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I'm sure they're technically sound. Um,
Speaker 1: surefire bets. Who is the nastiest defender in this draft
Speaker 1: in your opinion from what you've seen? The nastiest I mean,
Speaker 1: like someone that's gonna come in and be like this.
Speaker 1: The attitude of this defense now circles around this player
Speaker 1: like a son a couple of years from now. You know,
Speaker 1: Zaleen Collins at Tulsa linebackers it again. You know, I
Speaker 1: was just talking about North Carolina games. This goes even
Speaker 1: more so with Pulsa games. It's not one I have
Speaker 1: the if I'm watching seven five six seven at once.
Speaker 1: I don't have the volume on a Tulsa game. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you have money on it and you're tracking it
Speaker 1: and you just keep seeing this guy make every single play.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not a combine where he's like a uh.
Speaker 1: As long as I live, I will never forget seeing
Speaker 1: the one and only time Khalil Mack ever played, or
Speaker 1: like the only time I ever kill Kalo Mac. Play
Speaker 1: came in with all kinds of hype. They played Ohio
Speaker 1: State in September, and I'm telling you, within the first
Speaker 1: three minutes you couldn't believe what you were seeing. He
Speaker 1: this guy is not like that, of course, and they
Speaker 1: played the positions in all apens avon Collins as He's
Speaker 1: not gonna be one of these guys that flame out
Speaker 1: after three or four years. I mean, this guy is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this dude, here we go in summation. Kyle Pitts Elijah Moore,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is as good as advertised, Javante Williams over
Speaker 1: at UNC, Spencer Brown. Another option in the backfield Zaleen
Speaker 1: Collins from Tulsa. These are Spicies stars fore and uh,
Speaker 1: Spice let them know where they could find you on
Speaker 1: Twitter and and I sincerely mean this, sincerely mean this.
Speaker 1: Having you on the show is like a part of
Speaker 1: West being here. So we love having you here. Just
Speaker 1: want to let you know that I, uh, listen, I
Speaker 1: feel I felt comfortable when I met you guys. I was.
Speaker 1: I spent maybe six eight, uh horrible months in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: but I met all you guys, you know, multiple times,
Speaker 1: multiple times, got to hang out with you guys, zeus
Speaker 1: came to your home, you know. Uh. But I felt
Speaker 1: like I knew you guys from the start. So that
Speaker 1: was you know, I mean, it was just it was
Speaker 1: just nice. That was nice. That was I like, that
Speaker 1: was like, uh, John Lennon had his lost I think
Speaker 1: it was like a lost weekend in Los Angeles. It
Speaker 1: was more than that. But but yeah, it mimicked what
Speaker 1: Spicy brought to the to the There was no warning
Speaker 1: to it was just like one weekend suddenly you were
Speaker 1: just like at West's house, and West was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think spicies hanging a few months. If you're comparing
Speaker 1: me to John Lennon, I'll take it that was. That's
Speaker 1: my interpretation of look him up. I don't we don't really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my name is brad Spicer. There's not wrong with the name.
Speaker 1: We didn't know if it was like, you know, like
Speaker 1: something like a stage name and you wanted to keep
Speaker 1: your private life private, look him up spiceler Um on
Speaker 1: Twitter and spicy what's that? No? No, not really, but
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, because we had this nice you know,
Speaker 1: we had this nice finish to the show. Continue on. No,
Speaker 1: do you have something you want to get off your
Speaker 1: chest before we say goodbye? Probably I already forgot what
Speaker 1: it was though, Okay, maybe all right save that and
Speaker 1: then next Yeah, if you're gonna tell me, tell people
Speaker 1: how to reach out to me, do so properly that
Speaker 1: you want the Twitter name, well, I don't want to
Speaker 1: read anything because I have underscore a right. This is
Speaker 1: where you kind of you guys, make a little a
Speaker 1: little diva guest here. This is where you could find
Speaker 1: Bradley Alan Spicer at spice, underscore, Rack, underscore m D.
Speaker 1: But he's not a doctor Parley doctor. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I have woman. I know you want to rapt ready
Speaker 1: to go home. I need more interact. I needed the
Speaker 1: briefest interaction with Mark Sessler. But I'm not I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't get to see you guys anymore. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I thought going into today I was gonna be talking
Speaker 1: to you a lot. Mm hmm. Well look, I mean
Speaker 1: the floor was yours and you have my phone number.
Speaker 1: We can chat any time, and we can. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm the phone lines are open. I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: want to eat up. I just did an entire mock
Speaker 1: draft before you came on. So the reason why you
Speaker 1: didn't hear from Mark is like, no, Dan and I
Speaker 1: will cut in. I'm saying right now, I need back
Speaker 1: and forth. Like like Mark, if you could say anything
Speaker 1: to me right now, what would Well, I'll play you something.
Speaker 1: I remember speaking with you um in early February, and
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about your story. And I feel
Speaker 1: like when I met you in person too, that you know,
Speaker 1: I knew the spicy that showed up on our show
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and there was something something that
Speaker 1: happened in Vegas with Dan that remains a mystery. But
Speaker 1: getting to know the real Spicy, Uh, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of depth and layer two you and um, I feel like,
Speaker 1: even though I know you a little bit more than
Speaker 1: I did, there's so many more countries inside of you
Speaker 1: to still get to know. So the adventure continues, Spice
Speaker 1: Rack there that good? Yeah, that was good. It wasn't
Speaker 1: I want a dialogue is what I wanted, but but
Speaker 1: you got a monologue instead. All right, well you have
Speaker 1: to from Sessler. Wait, can I just say one thing?
Speaker 1: If we can go back? Really gotta go, Spicy, We
Speaker 1: really gotta go. Well, there's l a traffic. We gotta
Speaker 1: get the Dodger Stadium. Your Red's against the Dyer's big game,
Speaker 1: Kershaw against Sunny Gray. It's not personal, but we really
Speaker 1: gotta go. Buddy. But what do you got? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It did matter, but it doesn't matter. Go ahead, I'll
Speaker 1: remember this one. Don't worry about it. All right, Spicy,
Speaker 1: you know we love you. Come back there he goes.
Speaker 1: You know what? Okay, you want to know? What are
Speaker 1: you saying? Alright, I'm not I'm not stallin. I literally
Speaker 1: forgot when you just asked me about ten seconds ago.
Speaker 1: Came back to me regarding a Mark monologue. Will you, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: Dan and Greg, will you agree with me that in
Speaker 1: the early days of the podcast, I'm talking, some of
Speaker 1: the funniest content you guys have ever had was Mark
Speaker 1: reading his um doing his live reads with Mr Flames
Speaker 1: Economic Press. I'm talking. I know that, I know that's
Speaker 1: a deep cut and stuff like, I don't mean that
Speaker 1: I told you about an hour ago that you're a
Speaker 1: superstar at this Okay, in the most sincere way possible monologues. Okay,
Speaker 1: way back then, you guys agree, Greg, Dan of the
Speaker 1: classics of the Okay, bye bye, that guy is. That
Speaker 1: guy is the best. He's an experience somehow After all that, though,
Speaker 1: Erica cutting him off the screen still felt abrupt. He
Speaker 1: was like, there was no way mid mid prayer. Well,
Speaker 1: that was what I was trying to say, was the
Speaker 1: only reason Dan and I were the ones that talked
Speaker 1: were especially me, Um, I'm the only one rude enough
Speaker 1: to like cut him off mid because there's just gonna
Speaker 1: be one thing and I wanted to, you know, conversationally,
Speaker 1: it's not a good Mark Sessler and spicy or not
Speaker 1: a good like Yin and Yang in terms of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Mark's not a guy that's usually gonna jump in to
Speaker 1: try to transition or change the subject there. That's just
Speaker 1: the he Spicy just didn't understand that a lot of
Speaker 1: chaotic energy between I wasn't trying to like ignore him,
Speaker 1: if that's what he I mean when we've spoken in person.
Speaker 1: I really liked our talks, but I didn't want to
Speaker 1: pull us out of orbit because I thought he was
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I wish your poties latest. No,
Speaker 1: that was great. I love it and share them. Um No,
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I need like maybe a
Speaker 1: Zanex or something to like a calm down a little
Speaker 1: bit because I was like a little I love it.
Speaker 1: Though I love him. He's great and and he he
Speaker 1: really like in the days after West past, you know,
Speaker 1: I wish my conversation with him was as meaningful as
Speaker 1: with anyone just hearing what he meant to West. So
Speaker 1: we're all going through that, that's part of it too,
Speaker 1: We're all growing through that. And like he really looked
Speaker 1: up to him as a as a mentor, and when
Speaker 1: when he said like West believing in him and he
Speaker 1: gave some examples from from his life, Like that really
Speaker 1: resonated with me because I know that's true for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, like when West believe they showed like
Speaker 1: the confidence in them as a person, Like how much
Speaker 1: that meant? So what we we have that in common too.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait till next year's draft prospects when
Speaker 1: this chaos happens again, Ricky, when you have to cut
Speaker 1: together the clip of best of Spicy, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of options from this, uh,
Speaker 1: this particular episode in one. All right, here we go. Yes, awesome,
Speaker 1: We're heading the Dodger Stadium. We're gonna surprise Lakisha and Link.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. Um Uh, Erica, you're driving right,
Speaker 1: so you can come pick me up whenever, whenever you can. Um.
Speaker 1: And then we'll be back tomorrow night, Thursday night, late night.
Speaker 1: Check your podcast app of choice and it will be there.
Speaker 1: Are round one recap, so that's the next time you'll
Speaker 1: hear this show. So everybody get ready. The weight is over,
Speaker 1: the draft is here. Thank you to Spice Rack, thank
Speaker 1: you to you the listeners, and we will see you
Speaker 1: in about thirty six hours. With more more podcast content,
Speaker 1: breaking down finally Round one NFL Draft. Until then, Heed
Speaker 1: the call s