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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome into another edition of Crush City

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Speaker 1: Territory and another crossover episode, our second one of the week.

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Speaker 1: I'm all as always, I'm with Tyler Stafford, but this

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Speaker 1: time joined by Kyle Glazer of Friar Territory also part

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Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Network, to preview the Astros and

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Speaker 1: the Red Red, Red Hot San Diego Padres this week

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Speaker 1: in a dike In Park. Kyle, first of all, how

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Speaker 1: are you? And second of all, how is this team

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Speaker 1: doing this with like half of its lineup on the IL.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Chandler. And before we dive into this year,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I just need to go back to

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Speaker 2: before I jumped on. I was thinking about Astros Padres

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Speaker 2: crossovers and the ultimate one that comes to my mind

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Speaker 2: was back in twenty twenty ALCS raise Astros at Peco Park.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously I was, you know, a longtime rider

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Speaker 2: for the orangch County Register in Baseball America. You obviously

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Speaker 2: at the Chronicle and the Athletic and remember covering that

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Speaker 2: one and it was just so so so surreal. You're

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Speaker 2: walking through downtown San Diego, which is completely deserted. You

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Speaker 2: walk into Peco Park, which is dead quiet, and then

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Speaker 2: the Astros and Rays are playing an LCS game that

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Speaker 2: no one is watching or paying attention to in the city.

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Speaker 2: It was just the most surreal experience ever. I felt

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Speaker 2: like it was kind of like in the movie Vanilla

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Speaker 2: Sky a little bit, and then again just all all

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Speaker 2: of it. There's times to look back on that and

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Speaker 2: it's like, did that really happen? It felt like a

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Speaker 2: fever dream, It really did.

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Speaker 1: I think that series was probably the beginning of everyone

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Speaker 1: thinking maybe jose Al tuo Ve should play left field because.

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Speaker 3: Five years early.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he did not distinguish himself at second base. They Astros.

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Speaker 1: You can't blame it all on al Tuov, but the

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Speaker 1: Astros probably lost that series because Jose Al tuo Ve

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Speaker 1: just got the yips at the absolute worst time at

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Speaker 1: second base. But that race team was really good, Like

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Speaker 1: Charlie couldn't touch Charlie Morton games and I believe it

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Speaker 1: was game seven they came back and forced to game seven.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't touch Charlie Morton. Yeah it was. It was a

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Speaker 1: really good raised team and they went to Arlington and

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers beat them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was It was a very entertaining series with

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Speaker 2: you know, jose Al Tuove having the yips. You remember

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Speaker 2: Yanda Diaz and Framber Valdez gone to the weirdest benches

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Speaker 2: clearing incident I've ever seen, where no one really knew.

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Speaker 2: I think the working theory at the time was because

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Speaker 2: Framer Valdez had worked with the mental skills coach who

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Speaker 2: was focusing on smiling more. They thought jan Diaz might

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Speaker 2: have taken exception to the fact that Framber was smiling

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Speaker 2: big after forcing a ground out. It was just the

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Speaker 2: strangest benches clearing thing of all time. And again, like

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, the Rays went up three to zero. The

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Speaker 2: Astros won three straight to force Game seven. Carlos Korea

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Speaker 2: had to walk off. That ended. It was a really

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Speaker 2: really exciting series, and I wrote something. I went back

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Speaker 2: and looked at the end of Game seven that aged

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Speaker 2: really really poorly. We all have the stories that we

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Speaker 2: write that age really well and ones that age really poorly.

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Speaker 2: And after the raise one Game seven, I definitely wrote

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Speaker 2: a story about how it is the changing of the

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Speaker 2: guard in the American League. And the Astros run looked

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Speaker 2: like it was probably coming to an end because Justin

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Speaker 2: Verlander had had TJ, and the Astros struggled during that

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Speaker 2: shortened season, and you know, there's a lot of question marks.

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Speaker 2: Then of course, the Astros reached the whole series in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. So one of

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Speaker 2: the things that again I've written some things, especially at

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Speaker 2: Baseball America predicting the future, that aged really, really, really well,

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Speaker 2: that was not one of them.

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Speaker 3: That's why my strategy when I wrote the player comments

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Speaker 3: for Baseball Perspectives Annual was to just make them puns,

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Speaker 3: because those can't age badly. It's just, you know, I

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Speaker 3: wrote a whole I did a for Spencerraghetty. I did

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Speaker 3: a whole Eminem's lose yourself first instead of arm you

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Speaker 3: know Mom Spaghetti, I did Raghetty, and I did a

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Speaker 3: whole whole rap about that. I can't imagine that that

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Speaker 1: Going to watch this and get online one and you're

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Speaker 3: I've been this is like the third time I brought

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Speaker 3: it up. I will write his singers for him.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 1: He's got people, but he like members of his stat

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Speaker 1: I don't think they are hired solely to write his puns,

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Speaker 1: but he's got members of his staff. I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: for his GM meetings and winter meetings. Spectacular extravaganza puns.

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Speaker 3: Kyle, did you not consider maybe it's already taken. But

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Speaker 3: has anyone just done the podcast but spelled pad.

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Speaker 2: Not to my knowledge, pretty good. It's not something that

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Speaker 2: it had jumped onto my radar, but now it has.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to the powers that be. But to answer

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Speaker 2: your second question, Chandler, to talk about present day baseball,

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Speaker 2: not a pandemic era baseball and puns. What the Potters

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Speaker 2: are doing right now is just playing really really aggressive,

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Speaker 2: high energy baseball that's catching a lot of teams flat footed.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Jackson Merrill's on the IL, Jake Cronaworth is

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Speaker 2: good players in free agency. Dirks and Profar who has

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Speaker 2: since tested positive for PDS, but he was a big

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Speaker 2: part of their success last year Tanner Scott trade deadline addition.

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Speaker 2: But what the Potters have done to make up for

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Speaker 2: haven't seen since the two thousand and two Angels. What

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Speaker 2: a team that just constantly puts pressure on the opponent.

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Speaker 2: They're consistently putting balls in play, they're going first to third,

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Speaker 2: they're stealing bases, They're making aggressive reads in the dirt.

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Speaker 2: They're pulling off double steals with players you wouldn't expect

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Speaker 2: just applying this constant pressure on opposing defenses over and

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Speaker 2: You know, the Cubs are a team that should be

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Speaker 2: really good defensively. You have Danzy Swanson, a Nico Horner

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Speaker 2: They Tucker. Yes, they were dropping balls left and right,

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Speaker 2: I mean they were totally discombobulated, and they saw them

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Speaker 2: In the Cleveland series, I mean, the Padres were just

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Speaker 2: I mean they by the end of the series, ground balls,

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Speaker 2: constantly running. The Potters are frankly just exhausting opposing defenses

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Speaker 2: And then they have an absolute lockdown bullpen to where

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Speaker 2: if they have a lead after five, the game is over.

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Speaker 2: And I say that I'm not being hyperbolic. The Potters

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Speaker 2: have had one game this entire season in which their

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Speaker 1: Everything you just said probably scares Astras fans that are

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Speaker 1: listening to this, because, as Tyler and I both know,

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Speaker 1: this team has allowed twenty four of twenty five base

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Speaker 1: whom had one of the worst arms in baseball last

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Speaker 1: Now where the Ashers can counteract that, They've pitched it

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Speaker 1: I believe they still lead the league in strikeouts, They've

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Speaker 1: They're they're not allowing enough base runners for this to matter.

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Speaker 1: But again, when you're gonna go up against this offense,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit taller of a task, and Tyler

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Speaker 1: I know, we've talked about it like this is not

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Speaker 1: the team. The Padres are probably not the team that

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Speaker 1: and with their pitchers just being unable to control the

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming that the coaching staff doesn't even need to

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Speaker 3: give the steel signal for this series. It's just understood

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Speaker 3: that if you get to first base, you're allowed to

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Speaker 3: run on the Astros. The Astros cannot stop the run

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Speaker 3: game at all, and the Padres just feel like, like

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Speaker 3: you said, they're young, they're aggressive, like as soon as

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Speaker 3: they get on, they're stealing on anybody anyway. They're they're

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Speaker 3: gonna have ten steals this weekend, just because anytime somebody

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Speaker 1: Kyle, I've watched Wilson Controller's and Mitch Garber steal a

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's not going to be pretty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean the Potters are doing things like

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Speaker 2: left handed hitter in the box. By the way, many

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Speaker 2: Mitchello is stealing third. And it's not just even the

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Speaker 2: constantly making contact. They don't strike out, even against really

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Speaker 2: good pitching staffs. They're having a lot of success winning

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Speaker 2: of times they've been able to even when you know

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Speaker 2: beat it out. There's been a lot of infield singles.

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Speaker 2: Fantatist Junior has a bunch this year. And you go

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Speaker 2: back to the game against the Cubs on Wednesday where

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Speaker 2: they clinched the series. The way they took you know,

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Speaker 2: It was their catcher, Elias Diaz, working his way back

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Speaker 2: this big boy catcher going first to third on a

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Speaker 2: not just Tatis, it's the catchers, and then Tatis with

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Speaker 2: the ball barely left the infield. The Potterys scored a run.

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Speaker 2: Then Manny Machado singles through the left side again on

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Speaker 2: right now you take a step back. Yeah, they're second

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Speaker 1: So every Astros fans' favorite topic is Martin Maldonado, and

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Speaker 2: What makes him so special. It's the energy he plays with. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: But just the energy Tatis has brought day in and

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Speaker 1: There's a ton of good players on both of these teams,

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Speaker 2: You know. He had a rough start on opening Day

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Speaker 2: and they start in Sacramento. That wasn't great, but his

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Speaker 2: last outing against the Rocky's complete game, two hit shutout

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Speaker 2: for him. Look, the stuff is ridiculous. There's so much

433
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Speaker 2: movement on his fastball. He's got a great change with

434
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Speaker 2: the plays off of it. He's proven himself to be

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Speaker 2: durable when he's on. This is a frontline starter who

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Speaker 2: can give you consistently seven equality innings and just through

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Speaker 2: his first career complete games. So these two are really

438
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Speaker 2: really good. I think from the Potters perspective, the pitching

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Speaker 2: matchup I'm going to be most curious about is when

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Speaker 2: they see from Bervaldez on Sunday. One of the things

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Speaker 2: with the Potres, and again it's early in season, small sample,

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Speaker 2: they've strolled a little bit more against left handed starters,

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Speaker 2: good left handed starters, and the reason for that is

444
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Speaker 2: their platoon options at the bottom of the lineup are

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Speaker 2: not as good facing lefties as facing right eyes. And

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Speaker 2: we mentioned Yuli guriel Is He's a part of that. Again,

447
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Speaker 2: he was a legend in Cuban baseball, was a huge, huge,

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Speaker 2: huge part of the Astros for many, many years. The

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Speaker 2: objective fact is he hasn't hit for three years. The

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Speaker 2: Padres brought him in on a minor league deal to

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Speaker 2: be a right handed first base DH type to give

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Speaker 2: them sort of a platoon option against lefties. Look, he's

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Speaker 2: forty one. It's just not there anymore. I mean that,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of the hard truth.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: He had an RBS single against the Breaks the opening

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Speaker 2: weekend that you know, proved to be a game winner,

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Speaker 2: had a double against Sacramento. But it's there's not really

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Speaker 2: any quality contact. It's just, you know that potteries have

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Speaker 2: some issues in the bottom of their lineup against lefties

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Speaker 2: and just in terms of the options they can roll

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Speaker 2: out there. And frankly, Juli Guriel is one of those

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Speaker 2: guys who is part of that issue.

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Speaker 3: What a life you're living where your your biggest problem

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Speaker 3: is the bottom of your lineup the platoon against left

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Speaker 3: Get out of here. I don't want to hear your

467
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Speaker 3: whining on this show about how hard your life is

468
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Speaker 3: watching Yuli Gurriel hit one fifteen. I think Gyner is

469
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Speaker 3: hitting one to fifteen right now, So I don't want.

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Speaker 6: To hear it.

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Speaker 2: Kyle, Yeah, but no, you're right, I mean this is

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Speaker 2: these are good problems to have. This is a sign

473
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Speaker 2: of a fifteen and fourteen that yeah, yeah, everything's went

474
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Speaker 2: the pit. The starting pitching is rolling, the bullpen is rolling,

475
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Speaker 2: the team's playing for the most part, really good defense.

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Speaker 2: Base running has been exceptional, and their offense has been

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Speaker 2: really good as well. I mentioned they're you know, second

478
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Speaker 2: in the majors and hitting their top ten and run

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Speaker 2: score their top five in ops. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: Tatis Machado, they've been at the forefront of it. They've

481
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Speaker 2: gotten production to bottom the line up. You know, guys

482
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Speaker 2: like Gavin Sheets have been really really big for them.

483
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Speaker 2: He's reinvented himself after coming over from Chicago. Mentioned Martine

484
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Speaker 2: Maldonado's hitting who would have thunk. So they are getting

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Speaker 2: production to the bottom half. It's just when they have

486
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Speaker 2: to go against lefties instead of Gavin Sheets and Jason Hayward,

487
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Speaker 2: who isn't putting up big numbers, but we're starting to

488
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Speaker 2: see him hit the ball a little bit better, and

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Speaker 2: they have to go instead with Julie Guriel and Brandon

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Speaker 2: Lockridge in the outfield and d H spots, it takes

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Speaker 2: away from the offensive thump a little bit. So that's why.

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Speaker 2: But again all things being equal, Yeah, the Potters are

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Speaker 2: in a really, really, really good spot. And I mean

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Speaker 2: for you guys, when you look at the Potters pitchers,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, given the state of the Astros lineup, how

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Speaker 2: do you guys see the matchup? Kyle, You could pitch

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Speaker 2: against the ass right now.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter throwing the There is no like, ooh

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Speaker 3: juicy matchup coming up for that. There's nothing right now,

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Speaker 3: So there's not a lot of that scouting at the moment.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for something. This is an extremely right

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Speaker 1: handed Astros team. The only true left handed hitter on

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Speaker 1: their twenty six man roster is yord On Alvarez, who

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Speaker 1: is basically platoon neutral because he hits left handed pitching

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Speaker 1: just as well as hits right handed pitching. If you

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Speaker 1: want to look for a sliver of hope, Kyle Hart

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Speaker 1: is a left handed pitcher. He is going to pitch

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Speaker 1: on Friday, pitching against eight right handed hitters and jord

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Speaker 1: On Alvarez. Like, maybe that's what they need to get going.

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Speaker 1: You just said Kyle Hart has not had the greatest

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Speaker 1: start to his season, Like, maybe that's what they need

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Speaker 1: to get going. But then you look on the other side,

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Speaker 1: and they'll the guy they'll be sending to the mound

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Speaker 1: is Ryan Gusta, who's making a second major league start.

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Speaker 1: Who has Let's give Ryan Gusto credit. He has pitched

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Speaker 1: well this season as they're long man. He's filling in

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Speaker 1: for Spencer Araghedtty. This is Spencer Araghedty's rotation spot. Spencer

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Speaker 1: Araghedy had the unfortunate injury m VP in Seattle last week.

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Speaker 1: This is his spot. Ryan Gusso, he's gonna throw strikes.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be scared. He's gonna throw strikes. It's

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Speaker 1: just he throw strikes against this lineup. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna put the ball in play. And I doubt

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Speaker 1: in Triple A sugar Land he ever had to worry

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Speaker 1: about holding runners as much as he'll have to worry

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Speaker 1: about holding the Padres runners, he won't. It's gonna be it.

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Speaker 1: I think Friday could be a pretty high scoring affair.

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Speaker 1: And it's not something we've said a lot about the

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Speaker 1: Astros this season. And then the next two games, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: they're you're getting Michael King and Dylan see Still and

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Speaker 1: Cease freshly shaved, uh freshly k but Dylan ceas just

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Speaker 1: tied them in Notts last year at Petco Park, took

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Speaker 1: a person game I think into the seventh inning, so

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Speaker 1: they have not hit him. Well, Michael King's been pitching. Well,

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Speaker 1: It's look the like we said, the Ashers aren't gonna pitch.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Brown from ber Valdez is going Sunday. You said

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Speaker 1: that the Padres. If anything they've had, they've got, that's

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Speaker 1: where they're vulnerable against. Left handed pitching from has not

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Speaker 1: been typical Fromber the first four starts of the year.

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Speaker 1: His sinker is allowing a thirty eight percent line drive rate,

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Speaker 1: which means he's not getting the sinker down. He's not

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Speaker 1: commanding the sinker. It's not down in the zone. And

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Speaker 1: his first three starts of the year, his curve ball

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Speaker 1: was so unhittable that he could get away with not

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Speaker 1: having a sinker. Hung a couple of breaking balls against

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. They hit the crap out of him. He

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Speaker 1: gave up a career worst five extra base hits in

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Speaker 1: that game. So they need to get him. The sinker

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Speaker 1: needs to be down on the zone. He needs to

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Speaker 1: command the curve ball better, and look, if there's it.

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Speaker 1: I hate to keep bringing up Maldonato. If there's anyone

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Speaker 1: that knows fromber Beldez best, it's Martine Maldonado, a guy

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Speaker 1: that caught him for a while. I guarantee you Maldonada

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Speaker 1: is going to have that Padres team prepared for not

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Speaker 1: only Fromber but for this whole series.

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Speaker 3: Is there like an all time catcher rule that maybe

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Speaker 3: Maldonado could just stay out there.

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Speaker 1: If it's all three night games. If I was Mike Schild,

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Speaker 1: I would catch him all three games because you would

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Speaker 1: like and this isn't breaking news, this happens lot, and

560
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Speaker 1: just when when long time teammate goes to another place,

561
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Speaker 1: like they bring trade secrets, Like I guarantee you that

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Speaker 1: the Astros are Paranoid's probably the wrong word, but they

563
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Speaker 1: are probably on heightened concern about what Martin Maldonado has

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Speaker 1: shared with the Padres going into this year. So if

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Speaker 1: I'm Mike Schild, I start Martin Maldonado all three games,

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Speaker 1: and they're all night games, so he probably could.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, potentially, And I think too, you know, going back

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Speaker 2: to when you stack up the three games in the

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Speaker 2: series and that edge, you know, Kyle Hart and the

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Speaker 2: Padres have pitched extremely well at home. The Padres have

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Speaker 2: a one point three er at home. That's a big

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Speaker 2: reason why they're twelve and one this year at Peco Park.

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Speaker 2: But they are three and three on the road. Again,

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Speaker 2: small sample, we're talking about six games, but they have

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Speaker 2: been a little more hit along the road, and so

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Speaker 2: that's where again I think that Friday matchup seeing which

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Speaker 2: version of Kyle Hart comes out, the home version of

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Speaker 2: Kyle Heart, which has been really good, or the road

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Speaker 2: version of Kyle Heart which struggled. I do think the

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Speaker 2: Sunday matchup is interesting. You mentioned from Baldez is not

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Speaker 2: pitched well. Dylan Ceeze has actually not pitched very well

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Speaker 2: either this year, as era is over six and he's

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Speaker 2: been very, very hittable. You talk about k not getting

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Speaker 2: the ball down, he's been getting a lot of the

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Speaker 2: plate thigh high and above. He's had a lot of

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Speaker 2: outings where you look up and look Against the A's

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Speaker 2: and Sacramento, he went four innings, nine hits, nine runs.

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Speaker 2: It was tied for the most runs he's allowed in

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Speaker 2: a game in his career, and even his most recent

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Speaker 2: start against the Cubs five and two thirds, seven innings,

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Speaker 2: three runs to earn. You say five and two thirds innings.

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Speaker 2: You know, two earned runs allowed, certainly not a bad outing,

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Speaker 2: but he had to work his way out of a

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Speaker 2: lot of jams. Those seven hits allowed. He's been very

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Speaker 2: hittable this year, so I think that's going to be

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Speaker 2: an interesting matchup to watch too. The Sunday games, as

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Speaker 2: weird as it sounds that you never can pick individual

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Speaker 2: baseball games, but the Michael King Saturday game, Honestly, if

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Speaker 2: you're the Potter, is you feel pretty good about that one?

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Speaker 2: To me, it's the Friday game. Whereas, Okay, which version

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Speaker 2: of Kyle Hard are we going to get than the

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Speaker 2: Sunday game? You know, which you know, Dylan Seeson, Farmer Vildez,

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Speaker 2: two guys who are aces at their best who haven't

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Speaker 2: been pitched their best? Which one can kind of get

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Speaker 2: the edge. And again, if the Astros are going to

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Speaker 2: win games in the series, it's going to have to

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Speaker 2: come against the starters, because once the Potters get that

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Speaker 2: a bullpen in there of Audrey and Morihone, Jeremiah Strada,

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Speaker 2: Jason Adam, Robert Suarez, again game is over. And like

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Speaker 2: I said earlier, I wasn't being hyperbolic. They literally have

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Speaker 2: relinquished a lead one time this year, and even that

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Speaker 2: was an inherited runner situation where they limited the damage.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Kyle, I think we've broken down this series

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Speaker 1: All right, Kyle, you're new here, so we'll let you

646
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Speaker 1: do a little secret. We are contractually obligated on every

647
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Speaker 1: episode of Crush City Territory to mention Camsmith, and so

648
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Speaker 1: we are going to mention Camsmith. And I want to

649
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Speaker 1: get your insight on maybe a more broad question about Campsmith. Yeah,

650
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: you know so, as I said, in your past life,

651
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Speaker 1: you covered prosper Ex for Baseball America. You were very

652
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: very good at it, doing writing up. I think you

653
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: did the Astros Top thirty a couple of times as well.

654
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: You know, you you know this stuff, you're in. You

655
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: know kind of how this works. A lot was made

656
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: of obviously for a good reason. Cam Smith making the

657
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: major league roster after one hundred and thirty four professional

658
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: plate appearances. I wonder if that is like becoming maybe

659
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: a more of a normal thing. Maybe not that, but

660
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Speaker 1: hear me out a little.

661
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Speaker 2: Bit like it's becoming more common. For sure.

662
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Speaker 1: White Langford barely played in the minor league before the

663
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Rangers called him up. Zach Netto and Nolan Shahanawell, I mean, look,

664
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Speaker 1: the Angels aren't playing for much, but look they rushed

665
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Speaker 1: them up. They were thought that Christian Moore would be

666
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: on that track until he started off slow this year.

667
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: Look what Cam Smith did was was just a complete,

668
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, almost without precedent situation. But I guess I'm wondering,

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Speaker 1: because of how good college baseball is now, and because

670
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Speaker 1: of the money being poured in and the amount of

671
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Speaker 1: talent at the high major level. You talk all three,

672
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Speaker 1: all four of those guys we mentioned played at the

673
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Speaker 1: high major college level. Is this going to be more

674
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Speaker 1: precedented that we're going to see more things like cam

675
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Speaker 1: Smith or guys of that ilk making major league teams

676
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Speaker 1: after very very short times in the minor leagues.

677
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: It has certainly become more common in recent years, and

678
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Speaker 2: I think it is a trend that will at least

679
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Speaker 2: stay steady. I don't know how much it will accelerate,

680
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: because a lot of it will depend on how these

681
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: guys perform. Nolan sean Well was not physically strong enough

682
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: to be playing first base in the major leagues and

683
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: hit like a first baseman, so that wasn't great. Zach

684
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: Netto has been talented, but he also could have used

685
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: some more physical development in the minors. We've seen some

686
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: other guys get rushed up and really struggle. Matt Shaw

687
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: with the Cubs as another example.

688
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Speaker 1: This year.

689
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Speaker 2: You know, Cam Smith obviously had a great camp, but

690
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: it's been a little bit a slower start offensively, and

691
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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, it has been some defensive issues. The

692
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Speaker 2: reason this has happened is twofold First and foremost, as

693
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Speaker 2: you mentioned, the top conferences in college baseball have become

694
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Speaker 2: more professionalized. What I mean by that is they're bringing

695
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Speaker 2: in a lot of x major league coaches because frankly,

696
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: a lot of the colleges pay better than some of

697
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Speaker 2: the supporting role staffs on major league sides. And then

698
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Speaker 2: you also have a situation where more technology, you know,

699
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Speaker 2: more facilities are coming in. I mean a lot of

700
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Speaker 2: the top colleges, their facilities blow away most teams minor

701
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: league facilities right now, a lot of these minor league parks,

702
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Speaker 2: so that's part of it. But the biggest reason why

703
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Speaker 2: we're seeing this was the reorganization of the minor leagues

704
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Speaker 2: that Major League Baseball did back It was originally scheduled

705
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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty and became twenty twenty one with the

706
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Speaker 2: pandemic when Major League Baseball got rid of the short

707
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Speaker 2: season leagues above rookie ball. What that did was it

708
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Speaker 2: made a lot of players who previously were short season

709
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: caliber guys going straight to LOWE. So the caliber of

710
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Speaker 2: baseball and LOWA dropped, and then High A baseball became

711
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Speaker 2: what LOWE used to be. So the Class A levels,

712
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Speaker 2: the quality of baseball dropped precipitously to a point where

713
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Speaker 2: honestly it was almost unwatchable. And so with that, you

714
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Speaker 2: take a lot of teams now taking these advanced college

715
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Speaker 2: hitters and saying they don't have anything to learn at

716
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Speaker 2: the Class A levels, which didn't used to be the case.

717
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Speaker 2: It used to be the case. These guys still have

718
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Speaker 2: things to learn at the High A level. They really

719
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Speaker 2: don't anymore because Low A and High at the quality

720
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Speaker 2: has has gotten so bad post reorganization. They're sending these

721
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Speaker 2: guys to Double A very very very quickly. And once

722
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Speaker 2: you're at double A, you're in striking distance of the majors.

723
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Speaker 2: It comes very easy for a team to say, oh, well,

724
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Speaker 2: he's hitting grade at Double A and we have a spot.

725
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Speaker 2: Sometimes we'll give him. I mean, you see guys getting

726
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Speaker 2: like ten games in Triple A. Sometimes you know, thirty

727
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: or forty getting pulled up. But sometimes they're pulling them

728
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Speaker 2: straight up. So it's a combination of factors. Yes, college

729
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: baseball has gotten better and more professionalized, but the quality

730
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Speaker 2: of the miners at the same time, the low minors

731
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Speaker 2: has gotten worse. And again teams are saying, hey, we'll

732
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Speaker 2: move them up quicker because they have nothing to learn

733
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Speaker 2: at a ball And like I said, once you're in

734
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Speaker 2: Double A, all of a sudden you become a real

735
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Speaker 2: candidate to get promoted to the majors. And sometimes teams

736
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Speaker 2: are pulling the trigger pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I mean, Jack Cagion is hidden nine hundred

738
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Speaker 3: somewhere and hidden one hundred and forty mile an hour

739
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Speaker 3: moonshots off people. So yeah, I mean again, we talked

740
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Speaker 3: about it a little on this podcast, but look if

741
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Speaker 3: I'm a if I'm a top five round talent coming

742
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Speaker 3: out of high school, unless I'm going, you know, top

743
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Speaker 3: ten overall, I'm going to college like they're gonna be

744
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Speaker 3: able to pay me relatively close to what I would have.

745
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Speaker 3: You know, once you get further down the line, and

746
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Speaker 3: even if you're a top, top level guy, unless you're

747
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Speaker 3: Bryce Harper, you're not debuting before you're the same age

748
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Speaker 3: as you would have been draft eligible as a college

749
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: kid anyway, So you might as well go to college

750
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Speaker 3: and you know you're still gonna get paid, You're gonna

751
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Speaker 3: be on you're gonna have better resources. I mean, shoot,

752
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: you get to take planes to other teams, and you

753
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: don't get to do that in the minor league. So

754
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Speaker 3: I mean, again, I know it's all personal preference, but

755
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Speaker 3: I think I think you're gonna see more of that

756
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Speaker 3: in the coming years.

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Speaker 2: We already have started seeing it where teams now pretty

758
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: much only take high school guys up through about the

759
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Speaker 2: third round, which is where you'll get those seven figure bonuses.

760
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Speaker 2: After that, most teams, why would you, yeah, fourth through twentieth,

761
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: occasionally get an overslought guy in the eleventh or twelfth round,

762
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Speaker 2: or a high school kid who maybe just doesn't have

763
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Speaker 2: the grades to go to school, but has some talent.

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Speaker 2: I'll go in the seventh round and take a couple

765
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Speaker 2: hundred grand. But you're absolutely right. I mean the facilities

766
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Speaker 2: college baseball has to offer. And I'm not just talking

767
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Speaker 2: about the facilities in terms of on the field and

768
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Speaker 2: the weight room, where players are sleeping, the dorms that

769
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Speaker 2: are now available at you know, LSU and Arizona State,

770
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Speaker 2: Malma Mater, you know all. You know, all these places

771
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: are way nicer than where players are living and sleeping

772
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Speaker 2: when they're in you know, Kinston, North Carolina. You talk about,

773
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Speaker 2: you know, the nutrition are getting they get from the

774
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Speaker 2: meals in the dining halls is way better than the

775
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: food they're getting, you know, on minor league road trips.

776
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: So from a developmental standpoint, if you're a player and

777
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: say I can get better field conditions, better food, better

778
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: living conditions, better support staff, better weight training, better everything,

779
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, I can make some money

780
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: now going to college, then I will in the minor leagues.

781
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: It makes sense to go to college and then be

782
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Speaker 2: prepared to spend as little time in the minor leagues

783
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Speaker 2: as possible. I mean, the hard truth is, even with

784
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Speaker 2: all the improvements Major League Baseballs made to facility standards

785
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: and living situations the minor leagues, that life is still

786
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: a rough one. It's not fun for anyone. And so

787
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: if you can have a better three years in college

788
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: than you would on the in the minor leagues and

789
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: develop every bit as much, and then when you do

790
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: get drafted, be in a better position to spend as

791
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: little time the minor leagues as possible. Yeah, college starts

792
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: looking way, way, way more appealing.

793
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Speaker 3: So, Kyle, we talked a little bit about this before

794
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Speaker 3: we started, but you and I have have a little

795
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Speaker 3: bit of experience in the minor leagues. You have a

796
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: lot more than I do. But I worked for the

797
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 3: Hooks in twenty fifteen. I was the like Carlos Korea,

798
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: Lance Paccolors, Josh Hater, Joe Musgrove. So actually, next time

799
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Speaker 3: you see Musgrove, if you can let him know, he

800
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: was the best ping pong player on the team. But

801
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: I was the ringer that they brought in.

802
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Speaker 2: It's just just so.

803
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Speaker 3: I mean, I wiped the floor with him. So if

804
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: you bring that up for me, I appreciate it. But

805
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: you worked in Lancaster when that was or you covered Lancaster, right,

806
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: so when they were the Astros affiliate. What did jose

807
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: L Twove look like as a nineteen year old playing bit?

808
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: Can you just tell me a story about him playing?

809
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Speaker 2: I can tell you all. So my very first job

810
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Speaker 2: out of college, I worked for the Victorville Daily Press,

811
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Speaker 2: a small newspaper, daily newspaper in Victorville, California. My first job,

812
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Speaker 2: I was the beat writer for the High Desert Mavericks,

813
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Speaker 2: who were the Mariner's affiliate at the time in the

814
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Speaker 2: Cal League, and they played Lancaster. I swear it felt

815
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Speaker 2: like thirty times a year. So my first year was

816
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Speaker 2: twenty eleven, which was when jose Al Tuve was there,

817
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Speaker 2: and I remember watching him and right away I was like,

818
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: this guy's the best player in the league. I mean

819
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: absolutely hitting everything, missiles to all fields, you know, twitch speed.

820
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy's gonna hit three hundred with

821
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Speaker 2: thirty steals a year, and his best years he might

822
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Speaker 2: hit three thirty with forty stolen bases year. I mean,

823
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Speaker 2: this was very clearly to me the best player in

824
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Speaker 2: the league. And it was so funny because I'd be

825
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: talking to scouts I'd be like, oh, you know, we

826
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Speaker 2: can't play short and you know, no one looks like this,

827
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Speaker 2: so he's not a utility man. So what is he.

828
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Speaker 2: I'm like, he's a starting second baseman who wins you

829
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Speaker 2: batting titles. I mean, this guy was just so head

830
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Speaker 2: and shoulders above in terms of his hitting ability. And

831
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Speaker 2: yes it was Lancaster, but you just watched the quality

832
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: of contact, the consistency of contact, and again, he's just

833
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: such an energizing, explosive player. I think that's the thing

834
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Speaker 2: about young JOSEL. Tuove is he could run. I mean,

835
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Speaker 2: he was whit quick, he was super fast at second base.

836
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Speaker 2: He actually had plenty of range because he was just

837
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Speaker 2: so darn quick. He could get to everything. And he

838
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: was just a really, really good player. I did not

839
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Speaker 2: see thirty home runs a season coming, which he eventually

840
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: did his peak, but batting champion with you know, stealing

841
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: thirty bags and being one of the best leadoff hitters

842
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: in baseball at his peak, I did see that. I

843
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: will say so I mentioned I got you know, the

844
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: astro's future post twenty twenty. Wrong. I'm very proud I

845
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: got Jose Al Tuve, right, But the other guy that

846
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: will always stick out in my memory and we can

847
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: talk about this is another Astros Potters crossover. George Springer

848
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Speaker 2: when he came through in twenty twelve, he remains probably

849
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Speaker 2: the best prospect I ever saw. Along with Ronald Acuna junior.

850
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: George Springer was one of those players, you know, we

851
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: talk about prospects, these guys like, yeah, this guy's just

852
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: not very good. And then there's guys who honestly just

853
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: kind of just kind of there. Those guys like, hey,

854
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good ballplayer. Then there's those holy expletive guys,

855
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: the guys you go like, holy, you know, expletive, Like,

856
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: this guy's unreal. That was George Springer, even though there

857
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: were some strikeouts. I mean, the power of the speed

858
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: is like, this guy's a thirty thirty everyday center fielder,

859
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: franchise caliber player. And you'll remember, I mean, he was

860
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: unbelievable Lancaster, and he continued when he went up to

861
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: Corpus CHRISTI. There was no doubt in my mind this

862
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: guy's was going to be a superstar witch, which he

863
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: was in his prime. But you'll remember the Astros took

864
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: him eleventh in the twenty eleven draft The Potters had

865
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: one pick before they picked Corey Spandeenberg, and Cory Spanserberg

866
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: was on Lake Elsinore at that time, so you know,

867
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: Lake Elsono had come up to High Desert, Lancaster come

868
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: up to High Desert. I remember sitting and watching Corey

869
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: Spangerberg for Lake Elsinore and then watching George Springer for Lancaster,

870
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: and I was like, whoever picked Spanderberg over Springer to

871
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: be fired on the spot, How does this happen? It

872
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: was just not even close, Like didn't need to be

873
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: a scout. I mean, we want to talk about the

874
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: twenty to eighty scale. Corey Spangenberg from the outset was

875
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: a forty five grade player, second division second baseman, made

876
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: some contact, fine whatever, where George Springer was clearly a

877
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: sixty five to seventy grade player, like franchise caliber stud

878
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 2: I mean that was when the Potters that was there

879
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: where they picked Donovan Tate, who I've maintained is the

880
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: worst high first round pick I've ever seen. Had no

881
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: baseball ability whatsoever, row athlete who did not know what

882
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: he was doing on a baseball field, followed by Spandeburg

883
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: over Springer. I was just like whoever was responsible for

884
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: those picks should should have been fired on the spot.

885
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable how you make those decisions. Spandeburg over Springer,

886
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: to me will always be the most inexplicable thing I've ever.

887
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: Seen in my career. And the Astros, the Astros reaped

888
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: the benefits. The one thing about al Tuo by that

889
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets I mean, he gets a

890
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: lot of credit for a lot of things. The one

891
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: thing I don't think people appreciate about him is like

892
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: how much he transformed his body. And maybe you can

893
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: speak to this like I mean, and Tyler, you remember

894
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: when he came up Like I'm not sitting here saying

895
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: he was fat, but he certainly wasn't. Like I mean,

896
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: there are people, I mean to this day that say

897
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: he is still, pound for pound, the strongest person in

898
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: the Ashers clubhouse. Just and if you look at him,

899
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: I mean we've had to see his shirt off a

900
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: couple of times.

901
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 3: If you look at him every time, Chandler, every time.

902
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: But sometimes he is he is really like he is built,

903
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: like he is a big small guy. That was not

904
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: the case, Kyle when you saw him, and then Tyler

905
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: when he came up as a to make his debut.

906
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he was again not fat, but he certainly

907
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: didn't have the muscle, certainly didn't look maybe the part,

908
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: and maybe that maybe Kyle that dovetail. Don't know why

909
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: scouts were uneasy about him, because when you look, I

910
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: mean you look at maybe his first year, look at

911
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: some of the at bats, some of the games he

912
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: played in twenty eleven, twenty twelve, when he came up, like,

913
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like the jose L Twova that you

914
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: see out there now.

915
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: No, And when I saw him in Lancaster, and he

916
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: was still pretty young nineteen twenty, so he wasn't thick yet.

917
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: I know there's times where he maybe got a little thick.

918
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 2: And some scouting reports comped him to a fire hydrant

919
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: as a body comp I did see that in one

920
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: scouting report. I did not do that, but you know,

921
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: so at the time, you know I saw him, he

922
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: was just he was just a smaller guy, but he

923
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: was so whip quick in his wrists and like I said,

924
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: he stole bases. He was just very very quick. So

925
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: you saw the athleticism, you saw some of that explosiveness,

926
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: and that's why I was bought in on it. But yeah,

927
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: there's no question. He's absolutely a guy who you know,

928
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: did not physically develop until a little bit later. But again,

929
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: very few guys at nineteen twenty are physically developed. You

930
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: have to remember that nay ball. But I think just

931
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: because he was so short, a lot of scouts didn't

932
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: think there was any projection there. You hear that a lot. Oh,

933
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: you know, there's no projection. But the truth is everyone

934
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: can get stronger. I mean, no nineteen year old is

935
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: the strongest there ever going to be. And you know,

936
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, you know, as he came up and

937
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: got into a major league wage routine and understood what

938
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: he need to do, he did get stronger. And that's

939
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: where you know, thirty home runs came from. I thought

940
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: he was going to be three hundred, a lot of steals,

941
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: but you know, probably be more, you know, thirty doubles,

942
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: ten triples, ten to fifteen home runs just from the

943
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: quality of contact he was making. For him to transform

944
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: himself into a guy who was capable of hitting thirty

945
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: home runs even in Houston with the short porch really

946
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: is a testament to him putting in the work to

947
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: get stronger, and you know, we talked so much about

948
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: guys in that physical projection. Just maximizing the frame you

949
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: have is huge. We see it. You know, Mookie Betts

950
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: is a guy who did it. There's so many smaller guys.

951
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: If you maximize the frame you have, you're gonna be

952
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: more than fine.

953
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 3: Chandler, this is a fun cross over here. So I've

954
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: got the twenty eleven Lancaster roster pulled up. There are

955
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: two future Astros in addition to jose L Tuvey who

956
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: were on that roster. Okay, I will give you one.

957
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: One of them was Jonathan vr who also was an

958
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: insanely fast I'll never forget him coming up in like

959
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 3: the first weekend he played for the Astros, he stole home.

960
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,479
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that's what we're doing.

961
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: The other guy you have met and spoken with quite frequently.

962
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: Do you have any guests what other Astros prospect was

963
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: on that team?

964
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: Is he still in baseball?

965
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: Still in baseball?

966
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: He's not still on the Astros, but played very recently

967
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: for the Astros. Marlin no John Singleton, oh man, the

968
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: non Singleton was also on that team.

969
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: The next year's team. You look at the twenty twelve

970
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: team that was a loaded team. Yeah, Mingo, Mike Fultonovitch

971
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: and the guy who you know I talk about an

972
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: a ball. The guys who are going to make it

973
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: out of a ball revealed themselves pretty quickly. If you

974
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: have to talk yourself into a guy at a ball,

975
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: it's not happening. The one exception to that rule was

976
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: on that twenty twelve Astros team, Keike Hernandez. He was

977
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 2: hitting in the bottom of the order in a ball

978
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: for that Astros team. He said, in eighth or ninth.

979
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: He was a you know, bottom the order utility guy

980
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: at a ball. There was so much talent on that team.

981
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: He was not a guy who got put in that bucket.

982
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: And he has turned himself into a really, really successful

983
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: big leaguer. That's the one guy that's you know, you

984
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: have all these generic rules in scouting and player development,

985
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: and that's a big one. In a ball, the future

986
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 2: big leaders revealed themselves very very very quickly. He's there's

987
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: always an exception, and he is the ultimate exception to me.

988
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: You know, the guy hitting the list of guys who

989
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: have hit eight or eight or ninth in a ball

990
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: orders that have made the majors. You could probably count

991
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: them on two hands, and he's one of them.

992
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 3: I gottually one better. When I was on the hooks.

993
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: Maybe the worst player on the team was ta Oscar

994
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: her Mandez. He was so bad, so bad for the

995
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: hooks that year.

996
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: I I it.

997
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: Took me like three years of him in the big

998
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 3: leagues for me to be like, I guess this guy's good,

999
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: Like I don't know what happened, but the year I

1000
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: saw him not at all. So it's interesting how that

1001
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 3: works out.

1002
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: But the other guy talk about bad first round picks,

1003
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: Jonathan Tate will for my worst first round pick. The

1004
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: other guy who's on that list. Maan, I feel bad

1005
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: because this was a nice guy. I was g O Meyer.

1006
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: He was on the hooks when I was there. I

1007
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 3: watched Mercedes that he drove from Yah again.

1008
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: Being a first round pick.

1009
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice guy. You know, played hard, but an a

1010
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: ball that this is an organizational infielder, Like that's what

1011
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: this that's what he is, and you know, you win some,

1012
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: you lose some.

1013
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got replaced by a guy named Carlos Correa

1014
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 3: on the hooks whenever I was there, so that yeah.

1015
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 2: I saw him playing short Lancaster. I was not in

1016
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: Victorville anymore at that point, but I that's when he

1017
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: broke his leg right he did that year. But I

1018
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: saw just the way he moved. I was like, yeah,

1019
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: I don't have to think too hard about this one. Yeah,

1020
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: I get it.

1021
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Well, we will see. We won't see any of those

1022
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: people we just talked about. We will see al because

1023
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: as we've talked about, as defied Dowters his whole career,

1024
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 1: he's defied Dous his whole life. Maybe he will defy

1025
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Douters weekend and get the Astros to a series win.

1026
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: That doesn't look very promising, but who knows. It's baseball.

1027
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 1: It's why they play the game. Kyle, this was great.

1028
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you giving us some insight on the

1029
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: padres and on farm systems of the past and on

1030
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, everything that has to do with kind of

1031
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: how the padres are constructed and how the padres are

1032
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: going to come into this weekend that I can park.

1033
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: Please follow Kyle on Twitter, off follow Friar Territory. You

1034
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: can subscribe to their YouTube channel. Subscribe to our YouTube channel.

1035
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,359
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1036
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,279
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1037
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: come back to you guys after this weekend with a

1038
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: recap of the Padres series and see what's happening going forward.

1039
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: For those that celebrate, have a happy Easter, have a

1040
00:49:48,239 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: nice weekend, and we'll talk to you soon Bye.