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<v Speaker 1>Missing Arizona contains graphic depictions of violence and may not

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<v Speaker 1>be suitable for all listeners. April tenth, two thousand and one, am.

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<v Speaker 2>Exploded off of Hollie and a fire and a fire.

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<v Speaker 1>You're good, big fire, get the big fire.

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<v Speaker 3>You bet I can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>The house is exploded and ignited on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Who hi are you telling about the fire?

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<v Speaker 2>As nobody on the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we have the whole on the way.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just telling to make sure you're good.

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<v Speaker 1>They come in on Hollie.

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<v Speaker 4>They get lost every damn time with the fire.

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<v Speaker 5>They's gonna come in on Hollie.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's told a second.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so many folly seventy four goodness, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>There is still no fire equipment.

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<v Speaker 4>He's okay, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 6>We're on our way.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing you can do to make a little faster. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>you're on our wing.

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<v Speaker 7>Wasn't going on?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a big fire, really calling me.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just like blow up.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, one's on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole house, the whole hell, whole house is burning up.

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<v Speaker 9>And I want to hear them.

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<v Speaker 10>Going three w It isn't around seventy fourth and.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and there it is whole house in quoting.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, we do have.

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<v Speaker 1>Police the fire on the way, where there are people

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<v Speaker 1>outside the house, Yes.

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<v Speaker 12>There are no Probably did.

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<v Speaker 11>We have one.

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<v Speaker 8>Cordia web cars?

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<v Speaker 6>I'll maybe one's done.

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<v Speaker 12>He could not say how many.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of those.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all this.

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<v Speaker 1>From iHeartRadio and Neon thirty three. I'm John Walsac, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is Missing in Arizona, the story of a man

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<v Speaker 1>who disappeared after allegedly killing his wife and kids, blowing

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<v Speaker 1>up their suburban home and escaping into the wilderness. Twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three years later, I'm hunting Robert Fisher and I need

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<v Speaker 1>your help. So we're turning for the first time onto

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Fisher's street, pulling up into the cul de Sac,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eleven degrees out. You want to park

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the stone wall. It's always amazing the

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<v Speaker 1>simple items that survived catastrophe, the resilient relics, stubbornly dotting

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<v Speaker 1>desecrated landscapes, refusing to yield. At the end of North

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<v Speaker 1>seventy fourth place in Scottsdale, Arizona, there sits a little

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<v Speaker 1>stone wall. It's a gravestone beyond which three people died

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<v Speaker 1>it's a vital witness, but it cannot speak, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>an eternal marker of a suburban fabric. One man found

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<v Speaker 1>so suffocating he slashed and shot and burned his way out.

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<v Speaker 1>Long after the family who lived twenty feet away died,

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<v Speaker 1>long after most neighbors moved, Long after a new home

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<v Speaker 1>replaced the one that exploded, this little stone wall remains.

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<v Speaker 1>You see it in a home video from nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Babe, Hey, Robert Fisher stands in his driveway, barefoot,

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<v Speaker 1>cradling his one year old daughter, Brittany, as twilight takes

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<v Speaker 1>hold just over his right shoulder. The stone wall. You

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<v Speaker 1>see it too in crime scene photos from two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one. Blackened beams rise from charred, smoldering rubble as

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<v Speaker 1>investigators circle what remains of the Fisher house. Orange fire

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<v Speaker 1>hoses spaghetti across cul de Sac pavement under a gray

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<v Speaker 1>sky stamped with faded, fluffy white clouds. A silver pickup

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<v Speaker 1>truck sits burned and blistered under a half collapsed carport roof.

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<v Speaker 1>And there then, as now, the stone wall. This wall,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two feet tall, is the line that separates the

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<v Speaker 1>Fishers from their next door neighbor. Around ten pm on

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<v Speaker 1>April ninth, two thousand and one, the neighbor hears Robert

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<v Speaker 1>and Mary fighting. Forty minutes later, Robert gets into Mary's

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<v Speaker 1>Toyota fore Runner and heads to a nearby ATM, where

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<v Speaker 1>a camera captures grainy, black and white footage of him

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<v Speaker 1>pulling out two hundred and eighty dollars, then driving away

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<v Speaker 1>poof gone forever. This is the final sighting of Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>the final sighting of Mary's suv until a camper finds

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<v Speaker 1>it ten days later, abandoned in a remote forest. At least,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we've been told for twenty three years by

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<v Speaker 1>the police, media and FBI. The leading theory is that

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<v Speaker 1>Robert is grabbing cash and fleeing town, that he already

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<v Speaker 1>killed Mary and the kids. This is a critical detail.

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<v Speaker 1>It means he has a ten hour jump on the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>April ninth, ten forty two pm, Robert's at the ATM

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<v Speaker 1>April tenth, eight forty two am. His house explodes, a

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<v Speaker 1>ten hour gap. Except this timeline is wrong. I found

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<v Speaker 1>a new confirmed sighting. Real quick, let me take you

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<v Speaker 1>back to the nineteen nineties. Listen to this tiny but

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<v Speaker 1>important clip from a Fisher home video. Mary films Brittany

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<v Speaker 1>peddling a small bike down their cul.

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<v Speaker 12>De Sac dip.

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<v Speaker 13>You can turn around in that driveway.

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<v Speaker 1>That driveway two houses down by two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 1>It belongs to a man who agreed to speak to

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<v Speaker 1>me on the condition I not use his real name.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's call him Peter. He works long hours in the

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<v Speaker 1>food service industry.

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<v Speaker 14>Sometimes I'd leave to the three o'clock in.

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<v Speaker 1>The morning April tenth, two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 15>When I got up, he had one vehicle underneath to carport,

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<v Speaker 15>and he had her vehicle on the street.

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<v Speaker 10>At about three thirty in the morning's when I left,

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<v Speaker 10>that vehicle was still on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>His vehicle was pulled underneath to carport. Peter sees both

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<v Speaker 1>Robert's truck and Mary's suv at the Fisher house at

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<v Speaker 1>three thirty am, which means we can say definitively for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that Robert returned home from the ATM

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<v Speaker 1>the previous night. This tightens the timeline by five hours

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<v Speaker 1>and takes me completely by surprise. When I agree to

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<v Speaker 1>meet Peter, I don't expect much maybe some anecdotes about

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<v Speaker 1>the Fishers. Instead, three thirty in the morning and both

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles was still in I asked him repeatedly, if he's sure.

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<v Speaker 15>I do know that it was zero When I last this,

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<v Speaker 15>I'd pull out and look right at it and then

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<v Speaker 15>take off go to Ord.

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<v Speaker 1>But Peter, are you one hundred percent certain and hositive?

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<v Speaker 1>Peter has never been interviewed by the media or more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement, despite living only eighty feet from the Fishers.

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<v Speaker 1>He provides us two new clues. One a sighting of

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<v Speaker 1>both vehicles at the Fisherhouse at three thirty am on

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<v Speaker 1>April tenth, two thousand and one, and two how the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles are parked.

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<v Speaker 14>The truck was in the driveway.

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<v Speaker 1>A SEV was on the street. This is abnormal. Peter

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<v Speaker 1>usually sees Mary's SUV in the driveway and Robert's truck

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<v Speaker 1>on the street.

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<v Speaker 14>This day it was yapposite.

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<v Speaker 1>A different neighbor, the one who heard Robert and Mary fighting,

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<v Speaker 1>tells police the same thing. Why does this tiny detail matter?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you later. April tenth, two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty year old Alicia Keys releases her debut single

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<v Speaker 1>Fallen at eight forty two two the Fisher House. Exwait,

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<v Speaker 1>hold up, I lied, I told you I found one

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<v Speaker 1>new witness, but I actually found two. I have another

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<v Speaker 1>one for you, and he tightens up the timeline even further.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Bud Wolf. Unfortunately he died in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, so instead I meet with his daughter, Jenna.

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<v Speaker 1>We're learning now that the very last person to ever

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<v Speaker 1>see Mary Fisher's SUV or any sign therefore, Robert Fisher,

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<v Speaker 1>was your dad.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenna often joins her dad as he makes repeated early

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<v Speaker 1>morning visits to the Fisher's cul de sac.

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<v Speaker 9>I know this show was pretty dark.

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<v Speaker 1>On April tenth, two thousand and one, Jenna is not

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<v Speaker 1>with her dad as he delivers newspapers.

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<v Speaker 13>He would have picked him up and then drove to Scottsdale,

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<v Speaker 13>so I had to put him there between four and five.

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<v Speaker 1>Bud Wolf is in Scottsdale by four or five am.

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<v Speaker 1>But when exactly does he pass the Fisher House? What

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<v Speaker 1>does he see? And how do I even know this?

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<v Speaker 1>Last year I obtained a previously unreported memo written by

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<v Speaker 1>a Scotts Sale police officer. Here it is read by

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<v Speaker 1>a voice actor on four eleven oh one, the day

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<v Speaker 1>after the house explodes.

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<v Speaker 16>At zero five zero five hours five oh five am.

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<v Speaker 16>While working traffic control at seventy fourth Place in Holly,

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<v Speaker 16>monitoring the northbound entrance to seventy fourth Place, I observed

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<v Speaker 16>a paper carrier approach my location. I contacted the paper

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<v Speaker 16>carrier Arizona Republic, who identified himself verbally as Bud Wolf.

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<v Speaker 16>Bud stated that he needed to deliver five newspapers on

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<v Speaker 16>seventy fourth Place north of Holly. Bud inquired if he

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<v Speaker 16>should simply walk in, as northbound seventy fourth Place was

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<v Speaker 16>taped off with yellow crime scene tape. I advised Bud

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<v Speaker 16>to go ahead and walk into the neighborhood. When Bud returned,

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<v Speaker 16>he stated that yesterday he accidentally delivered a newspaper to

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<v Speaker 16>the house that burned. He added that he delivered this

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<v Speaker 16>paper by mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>At zero five thirty hours five thirty am.

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<v Speaker 16>Bud stated that on four to ten oh one, at

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<v Speaker 16>zero five thirty, he noticed that the large pickup that

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<v Speaker 16>is now parked under the car port and burned was

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<v Speaker 16>parked in the driveway, but the rear of the vehicle

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<v Speaker 16>was sticking out blocking the sidewalk. Bud added that there

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<v Speaker 16>was another vehicle parked in front of the truck under

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<v Speaker 16>the carport. At that time, Bud described the other vehicle

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<v Speaker 16>as a white car possibly. Bud said that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 16>positive about the vehicle type. About two minutes after he

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<v Speaker 16>delivered the paper, he realized his mistake. Bud then went

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<v Speaker 16>back and retrieved the paper. Bud left the area. Bud

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<v Speaker 16>did not see any activity in the area on that morning.

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<v Speaker 16>After Bud left, I noticed that I forgot to get

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<v Speaker 16>Bud's state of birth. I called Bud's cell phone. I

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<v Speaker 16>spoke to Bud and got his birth date. During the conversation,

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<v Speaker 16>Bud volunteered that he now remembered that the vehicle that

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<v Speaker 16>he saw in front of the truck was not a car,

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<v Speaker 16>but a white suv. Bud was not sure what type

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<v Speaker 16>of suv it was. Bud added that it appeared to

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<v Speaker 16>be an older model. Bud said that the vehicle was

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<v Speaker 16>definitely not a van.

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<v Speaker 1>Signed by Officer Abernathy, Badge number seven zero four. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>pause for a minute and take stock of what we've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>One hbor who hears Robert and Mary arguing at ten

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<v Speaker 1>pm on April ninth, sees their vehicles parked abnormally. Mary's

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<v Speaker 1>fore Runner in the driveway Robert's truck in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Peter, a different neighbor, sees the same thing when

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<v Speaker 1>he leaves for work at three thirty AM on April tenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Three Budwolf, a newspaper delivery man, sees Robert's truck and

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<v Speaker 1>what appears to be Mary's four runner at five thirty AM.

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<v Speaker 1>So for the first time in twenty three years, we've

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<v Speaker 1>narrowed down the case timeline significantly. Robert Fisher does not

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<v Speaker 1>immediately flee after visiting the ATM on April ninth. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still home seven hours later at five thirty AM.

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<v Speaker 1>On April tenth. The house explodes at eight forty two AM,

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<v Speaker 1>so Robert flees sometime between five thirty and eight forty two.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can narrow it down even further because Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Fisher is supposed to pick up a neighbor's son for

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<v Speaker 1>a school carpool at seven thirty. When she doesn't show up,

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<v Speaker 1>that neighbor looks out a window and sees Robert's truck,

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<v Speaker 1>but not Mary's forerunner. So with two new witnesses, we've

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<v Speaker 1>narrowed down when Robert flees to between five thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>seven thirty. What else can we deduce. Well, the sun

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<v Speaker 1>rises in Scottsdale on April tenth at six oh three am,

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<v Speaker 1>but civil twilight starts at five thirty seven, meaning there's

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<v Speaker 1>already a good bit of light in the sky. Robert

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<v Speaker 1>likely wants to leave quickly now to avoid neighbors and sunlight.

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<v Speaker 1>My best guess is that he flees shortly after Bud

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf sees both vehicles at the house at five thirty

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<v Speaker 1>Is it really creepy to think that that morning Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Fisher would have been home when your dad was slivering

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<v Speaker 1>the paper?

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<v Speaker 14>Extremely creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Extremely, There's no reason to doubt, Bud Wolf. He shares

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<v Speaker 1>his story with a police officer the day after the

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<v Speaker 1>Fisher house explodes, then dies, having never spoken to the media.

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<v Speaker 1>He has no reason to lie. Would you describe your

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<v Speaker 1>dad as a trustworthy person?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh? Absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say he had a good memory? He

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<v Speaker 1>did at the time.

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<v Speaker 12>Yes.

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<v Speaker 17>Towards the end of light is when with the brain

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<v Speaker 17>cancer is memory started deteriorating.

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<v Speaker 18>But during that period his memory was incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Would there be any reason to doubt an account that

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<v Speaker 1>he gave the police.

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<v Speaker 12>Oh not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's turn to what Budwolf sees not just when

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<v Speaker 1>Bud sees Robert's truck parks behind what he first describes

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<v Speaker 1>as a quote white car, possibly and shortly thereafter as

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<v Speaker 1>a quote white suv. Mary's fore Runner is silver, not white.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it possible that Bud sees an entirely different vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>parked at the Fisher House. Yes, but that's extremely unlikely.

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<v Speaker 1>The most plausible explanation is that Bud's memory is good

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<v Speaker 1>but not perfect, that he recalls a silver suv spotted

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<v Speaker 1>during twilight as white. So here's the new case timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten pm, a neighbor hears Robert and Mary arguing. The

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor sees their vehicles parked abnormally, Robert's truck in the driveway,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's suv in the street. Forty two pm, Robert withdraws

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and eighty dollars from a nearby atm three

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<v Speaker 1>thirty am, Peter, a different neighbor, also sees Robert's truck

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<v Speaker 1>in the driveway and Mary's fore Runner in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Five thirty am Budwolf, the newspaper delivery man, sees Mary's

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<v Speaker 1>four Runner in the driveway, parked in front of Robert's truck,

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<v Speaker 1>which is now jutting out into the cul de sac.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's why this is important. It means that between three

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<v Speaker 1>thirty and five thirty, someone shuffles the vehicles Robert's truck

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<v Speaker 1>out of the driveway, Mary's suv into the driveway, Robert's

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<v Speaker 1>truck behind the suv. By the time the house explodes,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert's truck is under the car port and Mary's fore

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<v Speaker 1>runner is gone. Meaning after Budwolf leaves around five thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>someone shuffles the vehicles again, pulling out the truck, pulling

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<v Speaker 1>out the suv, putting the truck under the car port,

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<v Speaker 1>and driving away in the suv. What the heck is

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<v Speaker 1>going on here? To recap, between three thirty and seven

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<v Speaker 1>thirty am, we have a game of musical cars. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>pulls Robert's truck out of the driveway, marries suv into

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<v Speaker 1>the driveway, Robert's truck behind the suv, the truck out again,

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<v Speaker 1>the suv out, the truck back, and then drives away

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<v Speaker 1>in the suv. This is extremely bizarre, especially because Robert's

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<v Speaker 1>truck is allowed diesel and the cul de sac is small.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a lot for a single person to pull

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<v Speaker 1>off by themselves. I'll get to that in a later

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<v Speaker 1>episode Stay tuned. So your family owned the land on

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<v Speaker 1>which the Fisher home was built originally, and how long

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<v Speaker 1>has that property been in your family.

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<v Speaker 18>My father bought the property in twenty nine and he

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<v Speaker 18>moved there about nineteen thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>On that forty acres, what was farmed.

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<v Speaker 18>Mostly cotton, sorghum, and some citrus.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Wilmith now owns only two of the original forty acres,

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<v Speaker 1>but those two acres and his house are a extremely

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<v Speaker 1>valuable and b directly behind the Fisher property. On April tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one, Mike is in bed only one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty feet from the Fisher house.

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<v Speaker 18>I was just beginning to come out of sleep. That's

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<v Speaker 18>sort of to my laid zone. And I heard the

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<v Speaker 18>explosion and I went, that sounded like an explosion.

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<v Speaker 1>And you didn't immediately hop out of bed. It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like you stayed in bed for a minute.

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<v Speaker 18>I stayed in bed for a few minutes until he

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<v Speaker 18>heard the helicopters and I'm like, Okay, now I gotta

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<v Speaker 18>go check what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't blame you, your Dralsey, Ye're waking up. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not how you want to start your morning news. Helicopters

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<v Speaker 1>circle overhead, broadcasting live watching at home. One woman immediately

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<v Speaker 1>recognizes the burning house. Jan Howell, Robert Fisher's mom. She

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<v Speaker 1>calls nine one. Here's the recreation of that call.

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<v Speaker 6>Rural Metro Fire Department.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, this is missus Howell, my son, Robert Fisher's house.

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<v Speaker 4>I just saw blow up on television. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>make sure see what's happening there.

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<v Speaker 6>It's okay, and this is your son's house.

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<v Speaker 15>Yes, okay, just a minute, ma'am, Yes, okay, I'm going

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<v Speaker 15>to have somebody contact you.

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<v Speaker 6>Was there anybody? Was your son out of town or

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<v Speaker 6>was he in town?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know he's supposed to I just called the hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>He works at Mayo Hospital, Uh huh. And I called

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<v Speaker 4>him and they didn't hear from him. And then I

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<v Speaker 4>got his mother in law on the line and she

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<v Speaker 4>said a neighbor had called the church and said the

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<v Speaker 4>house exploded with gas. And okay, and on television I

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<v Speaker 4>saw his truck in the driveway.

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<v Speaker 15>Okay, now we're not sure. You said the person who

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<v Speaker 15>owns this house his last name is Fisher. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 15>we're not showing that as being his house. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 15>never mind, all right. All I can do is how

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<v Speaker 15>many people were in the family or that lived in

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<v Speaker 15>the house.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a boy ten years old, a girl thirteen years old,

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<v Speaker 4>the wife Mary, and my son who's forty.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, so there's four people that live in the house, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>and a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>The explosion is violent, rattling houses for a half mile

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<v Speaker 1>in every direction, sending flames shooting twenty feet into the air.

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<v Speaker 1>The most direct witness is a man named Max Moody

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<v Speaker 1>working on a nearby rooftop. He's slammed by a deafening

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<v Speaker 1>boom as debris flies out and a column of black

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<v Speaker 1>smoke climbs into the sky. Flames flare from shattered windows.

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<v Speaker 1>The first cop to arrive is Scottsdale Police Officer Jay Hawkins.

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<v Speaker 1>As he pulls up, there's a series of smaller secondary explosions,

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<v Speaker 1>probably ammunition. Neighbors screamed that there are people in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Firefighters speed to the scene, as through reporters, including Tom Zohner.

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<v Speaker 6>So.

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<v Speaker 14>I was working as a reporter at the Arizona Republic,

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<v Speaker 14>which is the statewide daily newspaper, and on the morning

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<v Speaker 14>of April tenth, two thousand and one, I walked out

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<v Speaker 14>of my house to go to my car to go

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<v Speaker 14>to work, and I saw a plume of smoke on

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<v Speaker 14>the horizon and it looked like a gigantic fire and

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<v Speaker 14>the smoke was black. Whatever it was was still engaged,

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<v Speaker 14>and so instead of going straight to work, I decided

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<v Speaker 14>to swing by the fire and I arrived to the

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<v Speaker 14>house of Robert Fisher, which was completely on fire. I

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<v Speaker 14>was the first reporter at the scene, and the fire

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<v Speaker 14>crews were already working the blaze.

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<v Speaker 1>The scott Steel Police Department is here too. Detective TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Duran arrives to a fire blasted Norman Rockwell painting nice

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<v Speaker 1>little house, nice little house, nice little house, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a pile of smoldering rubble.

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<v Speaker 3>The damage was incredible. We were kind of like, what

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck caused the explosion?

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<v Speaker 1>Juranne guesses correctly, natural gas. He and other detectives, including

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<v Speaker 1>John Kirkham and Joe LaDuke, circle the house trying to

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<v Speaker 1>decipher this enigmatic molten mess.

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<v Speaker 3>We went around the backyard, so the fire had started

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<v Speaker 3>and then it exploded. It blew out the back walls

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<v Speaker 3>of the house. Now you had a four feet high

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<v Speaker 3>brick wall where you could look in and John and

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<v Speaker 3>I were looking in and there were two bedrooms we

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<v Speaker 3>were able to look into, and we could see that

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<v Speaker 3>there were bodies on a bed, and John and I

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<v Speaker 3>looked at each other and we basically said, this is

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<v Speaker 3>definitely a homicide. We knew that the fire was burning

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<v Speaker 3>and the bodies looked small, so we knew they were kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Normal cases, somebody's going to wake up and move. They

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<v Speaker 3>were still lying there like they were sleeping. I've been

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<v Speaker 3>on investigations where a child died in the fire, and

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<v Speaker 3>when we found the child in the house, they were

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<v Speaker 3>in the fetal position. You tend to curl up because

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<v Speaker 3>of the heat. These bodies weren't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>To Duran's dismay, news of the bodies leaks to the media.

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<v Speaker 14>Soon it became apparent that it wasn't just a house

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<v Speaker 14>fire but a triple homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives fight to keep gory details private, and they're successful

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<v Speaker 1>for now, but they're already feeling intense pressure. This will

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<v Speaker 1>clearly be a high profile case, and their crime scene

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<v Speaker 1>is burning on live teev as someone leaks secrets and

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<v Speaker 1>family and friends of the victims descend on the cul

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<v Speaker 1>de Sac.

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<v Speaker 7>Someone called me and said I think Mary's house blew up.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's friend Kim Davidson.

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<v Speaker 12>So, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 7>And they said, I just heard there's a house and

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<v Speaker 7>scuffs of the blew up. We think it's Mary's. So

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<v Speaker 7>I went to the house and there was police in

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<v Speaker 7>front of it. Her sister, mRNA was sitting in the

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<v Speaker 7>police cart and there was an ambulance there and the

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<v Speaker 7>house was in shambles. The next thing I knew, I

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<v Speaker 7>overheard the police officers say there's three bodies and their

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<v Speaker 7>two children. I just kind of went into shock.

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<v Speaker 1>At SUPERI Middle School, principal Diane Wells calls an emergency

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<v Speaker 1>meeting of Britney Fisher's teachers, including Miss Honey, who we

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<v Speaker 1>heard from in episode one, and.

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<v Speaker 13>Then the police come in and they're like, there's been

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<v Speaker 13>a fire. House has been on fire, and we're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 13>whose house? And then I realized she's not in class today.

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<v Speaker 1>Brittany is missing, her house is on fire, Rumors fly,

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<v Speaker 1>No one can focus the SUPERI gang. This hearty bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of teachers must remain calm.

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<v Speaker 5>Because the news was blowing up and we had to

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<v Speaker 5>be the turquoise team of the teachers. We had to

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<v Speaker 5>be strong That was the strongest I've ever had to

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<v Speaker 5>be as a teacher, as an educator, because these kids

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<v Speaker 5>are leaning on us to be strong and to make

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<v Speaker 5>this okay. So we all fall apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, everyone has the same question.

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<v Speaker 13>One of my colleagues, Kate Evererly it said, wait, where's

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<v Speaker 13>Robert Fisher? And I'll never forget that moment. I will

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<v Speaker 13>never forget that moment because all I know is the

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<v Speaker 13>police looked at each other and she said, you need

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<v Speaker 13>to find him because I think he did it, and

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<v Speaker 13>that all I know. All I can remember is the

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<v Speaker 13>police is like, all right, well, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Bam, they were gone.

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<v Speaker 1>This is on purpose. The Scottsdale Police Department wants to

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<v Speaker 1>minimize any discussion of Robert Fisher as a suspect. They

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<v Speaker 1>hope he'll return and claim to have been camping or

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<v Speaker 1>something when his family died, expecting their bodies critical evidence

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<v Speaker 1>to be destroyed. It's a controversial strategy. Most people immediately

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<v Speaker 1>suspect Robert the missing dad with military medical and firefighting experience,

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<v Speaker 1>but in defensive SPD, if Robert's not thinking rationally, which

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<v Speaker 1>is possible, this strategy could work. As the fire dies down,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much confusion. Jim Rodin, a Fisher family friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a false rumor that SPD found Robert's body, So

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<v Speaker 1>I go, oh.

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<v Speaker 18>Man, my friend Robert's gone.

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<v Speaker 19>Then it's the reports start coming in.

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<v Speaker 16>No, he's not there.

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<v Speaker 11>They found the bodies of Brittany and Bobby and Mary

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<v Speaker 11>and it looks like dirty pool. So then it's just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 11>my goodness, this just went from bad to very very

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<v Speaker 11>very bad. From an accident happened or a suicide to

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<v Speaker 11>a triple homicide.

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<v Speaker 8>And where is he?

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<v Speaker 19>That's probably the first time I go, oh, Robert, what

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<v Speaker 19>did you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Even as it starts to click mom dead, daughter dead,

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<v Speaker 1>son dead, dad missing, SPD declares that Robert is not

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<v Speaker 1>a suspect, though he is wanted for questioning. The next day,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's father, Bill Cooper, a retired school principal who walks

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<v Speaker 1>with two canes, speaks to the media.

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<v Speaker 12>Robert, we love you, whoever you are, Robert, please we understand,

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<v Speaker 12>we love you. Just come home, please, Robert and I

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<v Speaker 12>don't know what's going on. We don't know anything for sure,

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<v Speaker 12>but we'd like to hear from you, please.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert, Bill begs a newspaper reporter to quote, please please

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<v Speaker 1>keep writing good things about Robert. He's a good man.

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<v Speaker 14>You want to know about my Robert. He was the

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<v Speaker 14>greatest dad, he was the greatest husband.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss him. I miss him terribly. I miss him

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<v Speaker 1>almost as much as I miss my daughter, because they

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<v Speaker 1>were one. Bill's grief hurts my soul reporting this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of it every time I see him in

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<v Speaker 1>old family videos, including this clip from nineteen eighty nine

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<v Speaker 1>with Robert and Brittany.

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<v Speaker 20>Oh Brittany got cross file. They're like, Oh, Brittany's one

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<v Speaker 20>years old.

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<v Speaker 1>On April fourteenth, two thousand and one, the Arizona Republic

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<v Speaker 1>leads with a story by Tom z Ohner headline family

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<v Speaker 1>in Blaze slashed shot quote. Mary Fisher was shot in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the head and her children's throats were

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<v Speaker 1>slashed and the hours before their Scottsdale home exploded Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>scott Stale detectives including T. J. Duran and John Kirkham

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<v Speaker 1>are furious with his owner.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody gave him information on the crime that shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>been in the newspapers. So at that point we realized, well,

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<v Speaker 3>the Republic's distributed throughout the whole state, there's no doubt

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<v Speaker 3>he's looking at newspapers, so we knew at that point

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<v Speaker 3>our theory that he'd come back is out the window.

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<v Speaker 3>That's done. As a matter of fact, when that printed,

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<v Speaker 3>John called me that morning, really early in said, have

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<v Speaker 3>you seen the fucking newspaper front page? And at that

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<v Speaker 3>time I used to have it delivered to me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I looked at it, and then I called him back

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<v Speaker 3>and said, who the fuck is talking?

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<v Speaker 1>SPD is fighting to find Robert Fisher and Tom Zohner

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<v Speaker 1>just nuked their strategy.

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<v Speaker 14>That came to a head and what amounted to a

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<v Speaker 14>yelling match in between myself and Detective Duran. He completely

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<v Speaker 14>uncorked on me. I yelled back at him, and that

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<v Speaker 14>was that. Years later we passed it up. I do

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<v Speaker 14>have a lot of respect for him. I think he

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<v Speaker 14>did as good a job as any police officer could

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<v Speaker 14>have done on this case, and he also understood why

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<v Speaker 14>we were twined for the information that we got. In

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<v Speaker 14>some ways, the mission of the police end of the

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<v Speaker 14>news is parallel. You want to find out what the

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<v Speaker 14>heck happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Zohner's article with details on the murders is a turning

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<v Speaker 1>point in the case.

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<v Speaker 8>And now father and husband Robert Fisher is officially being

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<v Speaker 8>called a suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>At Superi Middle School, Miss Honey, Britney's teacher and the

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<v Speaker 1>second to last person to see and speak with Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Fisher at the Honor Society event on April ninth, takes

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<v Speaker 1>a deep breath, and then it was.

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<v Speaker 5>This moment of Oh my God, I shook his hand.

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<v Speaker 5>I shook his hand that night.

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<v Speaker 16>It was me.

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<v Speaker 9>I was the one.

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<v Speaker 1>As the gravity and depravity of the situation sink in. Mary, Brittany,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bobby are cremated and laid to rest in a

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<v Speaker 1>private ceremony on Easter weekend. Then on April seventeenth, a

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<v Speaker 1>crowd of thirteen hundred gathers for a public memorial. Undercover

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<v Speaker 1>cops scan the crowd for any sign of Robert Fisher.

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<v Speaker 1>As speakers memorialized Brittany ten days before what would have

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<v Speaker 1>been her thirteenth birthday, we saw her as.

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<v Speaker 17>A bright and shining star among her peers. Such a

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<v Speaker 17>beautiful young lady, so precious, so unique, so special. She

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<v Speaker 17>will be missed more than I can say. God must

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<v Speaker 17>be thrilled to have her right now in his choir

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<v Speaker 17>in heaven.

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<v Speaker 7>I love you, Maria.

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<v Speaker 17>I love you, Brittany, I love your Barney.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cooper speaks.

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<v Speaker 10>Like God has a plan. He has a timing for

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<v Speaker 10>our lives. And you've heard today that this was not

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<v Speaker 10>something that was yanked from Mary and Brittany and Bobby.

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<v Speaker 10>God has a plan. We don't know what it is,

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<v Speaker 10>but I know someday we're going to know. But until then,

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<v Speaker 10>I just want you to know that we're going to

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<v Speaker 10>miss him so much. They were such a joy to

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<v Speaker 10>my life. But I still have my murder and we

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<v Speaker 10>will see them again in glory. Did I keep that

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<v Speaker 10>under seven minutes?

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<v Speaker 4>Great?

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<v Speaker 6>Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>L Czak. Thanks for listening. Thursday April nineteenth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one, nine days after the house explodes, as darkness falls,

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty year old man named Greg drives down a

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<v Speaker 1>bumpy road in Arizona's Tonto National Forest looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>place to camp. Greg is alone. He often is. He

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<v Speaker 1>wanders the country doing construction work he parks his van

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<v Speaker 1>at a primitive campsite and gets out. Slushy snow falls

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<v Speaker 1>gently from above, drifting down into an inky forest devoid

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<v Speaker 1>of light and sound. This spot is one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty miles northeast of Scottsdale, fifteen miles from the tiny

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<v Speaker 1>town of Young, and one thousand feet from the Ford

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<v Speaker 1>Apache Indian Reservation, on a steep climbed down from the

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<v Speaker 1>muggy on rem l l o n An escarpment, a

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<v Speaker 1>long steep slope, a strip of cliffs. Think of it

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<v Speaker 1>as a jagged raised scar stretching two hundred miles across

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<v Speaker 1>the state. This is where Greg finds himself cold, wandering

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<v Speaker 1>down a forest service road, hunting by flashlight for firewood,

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<v Speaker 1>when he spots a glint of silver in the woods.

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<v Speaker 14>Closing your eyes, dot dot dot, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Dolner, now a successful author, published a book last

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<v Speaker 1>year called rim To River, Looking into the Heart of Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>in which he paints a vivid portrait of this remote spot.

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<v Speaker 14>It's up in what Arizona's call the high country, at

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<v Speaker 14>five thousand feet above sea level, A lot of tall

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<v Speaker 14>pine trees, a lot of granite crags, a lot of

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<v Speaker 14>places to get lost.

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<v Speaker 21>It's alpine, it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Kimbler is a geologist and former Arizona resident.

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<v Speaker 21>There are creeks and there are lakes up there. It's

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<v Speaker 21>essentially the high country of Arizona. It's a full of

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<v Speaker 21>wild light. There's lots of beer. There's bear It's almost

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<v Speaker 21>like going to a miniature version of Yellowstone.

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<v Speaker 22>It's hon rosa pine tree forest with Laura shrubs consisting

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<v Speaker 22>of Manzanita and Jennifer.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Havey is a retired detective in Heila County, a

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<v Speaker 1>stunning expanse of wilderness dotted by towns with names like

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<v Speaker 1>six Shooter Canyon, Dripping Springs, and Whispering Pines, great.

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<v Speaker 22>Hunting grounds, deer, elk, turkey, nonline, bear, bobcats, coyotes, the

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<v Speaker 22>whole nine yards.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where Greg Our protagonist or the FBI will

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<v Speaker 1>later wonder antagonist finds a silver suv at night, alone

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<v Speaker 1>in a three million acre national forest. Greg knows Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Fisher is missing. He knows Fisher is likely driving a

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<v Speaker 1>silver suv. But he's tired, it's dark, he's cold, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's learned generally to mind his own business. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure if the suv is the suv, so

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<v Speaker 1>he makes a fire, has dinner, and falls asleep in

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<v Speaker 1>his van. The next morning, the suv is still there,

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<v Speaker 1>perching behind it. Greg pulls out binoculars and zooms in.

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<v Speaker 1>He sees a four an R. It is a Forerunner.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he sees movement a dog. This has to be

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<v Speaker 1>the Forerunner the dog. The dog starts to approach him,

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<v Speaker 1>but pauses halfway and turns around. Greg wonders is Robert

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods watching him? Is he dead in a ditch?

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't wait to find out. He packs up and

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<v Speaker 1>drives forty minutes north to a gas station, where he

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<v Speaker 1>uses a payphone to call Jim and Bobby Jacka, an

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<v Speaker 1>elderly couple in Mesa. He tells them what he found

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<v Speaker 1>and asks them to call the police, and then he vanishes. Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>April twentieth, two thousand and one, ten am, the Jackas

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<v Speaker 1>call the Scottsdale Police Department. Detective Kirkham takes the call.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Duran stands next to him. They look at each other.

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<v Speaker 1>A silver Forerunner and a dog abandoned in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be Mary's suv and blue the Fisher

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<v Speaker 1>family pet right, but they need confirmation and they're two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half hours away by car.

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<v Speaker 3>So we immediately called DPS.

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<v Speaker 1>The Arizona Department of Public Safety.

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<v Speaker 3>And said, hey, CA, you do me a favor.

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<v Speaker 1>Fly up over there by helicopter.

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<v Speaker 3>Within an hour, DPS calls and says, hey, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the truck we have in this is the plate, that's him,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the truck. Well, guess what happens. Who's listening to

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<v Speaker 3>the scanners the media, So that immediately hits the news.

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<v Speaker 3>Helicopters are up there, they're filming it, and we're like,

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<v Speaker 3>are you fucking kidding me? So within an hour or so,

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<v Speaker 3>John and I are on a Blackhawk and they fly

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<v Speaker 3>us to the rim. HeLa County and Coconino County are

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<v Speaker 3>already there.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was the first member of law enforcement on the scene.

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<v Speaker 22>You're looking at him?

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<v Speaker 1>HeLa County Detective Brian hay I.

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<v Speaker 22>Had Deputy Colt White in my vehicle. Two of us

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<v Speaker 22>did a walk in through the trees and brush, using

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<v Speaker 22>them as cover.

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<v Speaker 1>Hayvey pause behind a tree and aims his rifle at

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<v Speaker 1>the suv. He sees movement. Is it Fisher? No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>blue the dog. But Fisher could be anywhere waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>snipe cops or blow them up. What if he rigged

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<v Speaker 1>the Forerunner to explode or scattered booby traps in the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>As Hevey makes a final approach, he startled to see

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<v Speaker 1>a car speed past him on a rough dirt road

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<v Speaker 1>directly to the suv. The good news backup is here.

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<v Speaker 1>The bad it's a less experienced cop with blatant disregard

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<v Speaker 1>for tactical safety.

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<v Speaker 22>I remember having a discussion with officer why that idiot.

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<v Speaker 22>If he's there, we're going to have to rescue his

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<v Speaker 22>ass too.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, other members of law enforcement set up a command

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<v Speaker 1>post a quarter mile south on Young Highway Highway, it

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<v Speaker 1>should be noted is an overly generous moniker. Much of

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<v Speaker 1>the seventy four mile road is unpaved and sounds like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Scottsdale Detective T. J. Juran arrives by helicopter. Did they

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<v Speaker 1>land you on the highway?

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<v Speaker 3>No, they landed us in a field surrounded by pine trees.

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<v Speaker 1>As Duran lands, a swat team moves methodically through the

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<v Speaker 1>forest with scant cover. There's no sign of Fisher. The

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<v Speaker 1>leading theory is that he's armed extremely dangerous and hold

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<v Speaker 1>up in a nearby cave. As the sun sets and

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<v Speaker 1>the forest darkens, Police set up a perimeter, but don't

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<v Speaker 1>enter the cave. Instead, they call a plumber. Imagine you

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<v Speaker 1>spent your day unclogging toilets and now, voila, you're part

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<v Speaker 1>of a high stakes man hunt. The plumber snakes a

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<v Speaker 1>grainy drain camera down into the tight underground cave, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>expecting a pair of eyes to peer back at him.

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<v Speaker 1>He sees nothing. At the command post, restless media beg

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<v Speaker 1>for updates, the Heela County Sheriff agrees to speak.

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<v Speaker 3>They all gather around him with the cameras and they

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<v Speaker 3>shine lights in him, and his first words were turn

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<v Speaker 3>your lights off. And everybody was like, oh okay, And

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<v Speaker 3>they shut the lights.

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<v Speaker 1>Off, just in case anyone's watching from the woods.

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<v Speaker 23>Even though the search has been called off for the night,

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<v Speaker 23>heavily armed swat team members kept a watchful eye for Robert.

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<v Speaker 1>Fischer the next day.

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<v Speaker 23>More than one hundred men and women from DPS, Heale

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<v Speaker 23>County Sheriff's Department and Scottsdale Police swat team moved in

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<v Speaker 23>early this morning, hoping to pick up on Fisher's trail.

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<v Speaker 23>A special dog from the Americopa County Sheriff's Department used

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<v Speaker 23>to search for dead people, will also be joining the team.

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<v Speaker 24>We're going to be checking the caves, but we don't

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<v Speaker 24>need to do those with the cadaver dog in the

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<v Speaker 24>eventity is in the hole and has expired. We don't

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<v Speaker 24>know that.

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<v Speaker 23>The Healay County Sheriff's Department thinks Fisher may have been

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<v Speaker 23>here for at least a week before his car was found,

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<v Speaker 23>because it was clean without having been driven in the mud.

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<v Speaker 24>We do know what was after this nose because these

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<v Speaker 24>vehicles clean. So we're working a period of time from

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<v Speaker 24>the thirteenth to the month until now.

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<v Speaker 23>Meanwhile, on a roadblock cars coming and going into the

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<v Speaker 23>area where checks to make sure Fisher wasn't hiding out

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<v Speaker 23>A scary thought for some drivers.

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<v Speaker 7>I wish I was armed.

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<v Speaker 15>You know, it's concerning because this is I have a convertible.

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<v Speaker 1>We put the top up because we don't want anybody

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<v Speaker 1>jumping in the car, and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>That they've got homicide soft.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, I read about it. Okay, Yeah, probably shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 23>Want to don't want to pick up any hut hikeruiser

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<v Speaker 23>where strike to yatten.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, okay, lady, thank you.

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<v Speaker 24>Okay. What we have done this morning, though, is we've

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<v Speaker 24>gone out checked all the areas a musing the snow

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<v Speaker 24>as a guide for us, looking for tracks, trying to

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<v Speaker 24>locate if the subject had walked out. We found no

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<v Speaker 24>new tracks.

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<v Speaker 11>We did have a couple of reports.

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<v Speaker 23>About a minle.

0:36:49.440 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 1>It's not him, as cadaver dogs circle caves and bloodhound

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>sniff the forerunner. Patty Blackmore, a veterinarian in the mountain

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>town of Paysin, gets a call. At least one member

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of the Fisher family is running around the woods, Robert

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Fisher's dog, and the cops want Patty to nab him.

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Patty's having a rough morning. She and her friend Samantha

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Wright just euthanized a white malamute after a failed surgery

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 1>to remove a huge stomach tumor. The malamute's owners drop

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>off a dozen donuts to say thank you. Now, Patty

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 1>and Samantha hop in a car and drive into the

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>center of a massive manhunt.

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 25>Oh my gosh, they're busy everywhere, and news people lining

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 25>the road and napping pictures, and it was very overwhelming.

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, and I think you had a ball cap on.

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:00.479
<v Speaker 8>I mean it was set morning.

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 5>We were no makeup, barely out of our pajamas.

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, I had my pajamas on.

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 17>I don't remember.

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 25>Now, just another day, we go do a surgery, get

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 25>called in to capture some dog.

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 5>That's yeah, yeah, allegedly worded his family.

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>No, just like another day, Patty reports to headquarters.

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 25>They're all these guys and they've got all their gear on,

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 25>you know, their bulletproof vests. And I said, I was

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 25>here to pick up the dog, and they said, well,

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 25>did you bring your stun gun. I said no, I

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 25>had no idea that they had not caught the dog.

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 25>And so we ended up loading up in a suv myself,

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 25>my girlfriend, the donuts, a leash, and I think there

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.919
<v Speaker 25>were probably four or five guys, and we drove out

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.400
<v Speaker 25>into the forest and when we got there, they were

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 25>actually loading Robert Frisher's car onto a flatbed, and the

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 25>dog was just acting confused, walking in circles, and I

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 25>just said, don't take the vehicle away, because if you do,

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.800
<v Speaker 25>the dog doesn't have any reason to stay here. So

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 25>I had them all stay in their vehicle. I approached

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 25>the dog with a donut and a leash, and the

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 25>helicopter was going above, and they were all filming all

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:11.840
<v Speaker 25>of this.

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>The forest is silent save for a panting dog, a

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 1>distant helicopter, and the wind. There's a heavy scent.

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 19>Of pine that was kind of cold and wet and dewey.

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Patty doesn't pay much attention to the forerunner.

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 25>It was mostly figuring out how am I going to

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 25>catch this dog on live television without.

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 5>Looking like an house.

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>It's the truth.

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 25>I threw him a piece of doughnut and he ate it.

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 25>I threw him another one and got a little closer

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 25>and he ate it. And then I finally stuck my

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 25>hand through the leash like a slip leash, gave him

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 25>the piece of donut, and then I was.

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 5>Able to catch the dog.

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Now all Patty can think is what if Fisher shoots me?

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 25>Is in the sniper me out of some tree was creepy,

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 25>which is not that crazy.

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>To think, right, And you were the one everybody was

0:39:58.920 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 1>in the.

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 25>Sv Yeah, and they sent me in the middle of

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 25>the forest, you know, with the dogs dog me the dog.

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:08.240
<v Speaker 25>Don't it in a leash against the world?

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 12>Right?

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 24>Seriously?

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 18>Oh man, have you ever seen the video of yourself.

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 25>I don't think I ever have.

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 12>Do you have it?

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:22.760
<v Speaker 19>Yes, that's it. That photo, that's it. Yeah, Oh my gosh.

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 19>So this is me and Patty's down trinking Blue.

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Blue, a two year old Australian cattle dog, is hungry, thirsty,

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 1>and agitated.

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 25>When I caught him, he had porkpine quills off throughout

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 25>his face, so I went ahead and sedated him, and

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 25>then went ahead and carried him out. We ended up

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 25>taking him back to the clinic where I removed all

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 25>the porcupine quills, and then brought him home to my

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 25>house and kept him with me. After that, there were

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.880
<v Speaker 25>multiple multiple people that wanted to adopt him, but the

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 25>family didn't want the dog to be a big spectacle,

0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 25>so we didn't, of course talk to any of them.

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 25>And I think at one point I even had a

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 25>sign on my door because people were following me, following

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 25>me everywhere, calling about the dog, wanting the dog, And

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 25>so I ended up adopting Blue and handed up living

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:12.359
<v Speaker 25>with us for the rest of his life.

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Patty and her family moved to Missouri in twenty eleven.

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>They nicknamed Blue Duck because he makes a funny honking

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 1>noise with his mouth. Blue spends his final years roaming

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:27.280
<v Speaker 1>a farm, happy and free. He dies in twenty fourteen.

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Patty and Samantha have vivid memories of their surreal experience

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 1>in the forest. Until two years ago. Samantha also had

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>physical mementos, some of the porcupine quills pulled from blue snout.

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>She wanted to make Patty a memory box.

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 19>I kept putting it off, and then our house burned

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 19>down two years ago, and so we lost it all

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 19>that morning, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 19>go run errands, get stuff done.

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 8>I grabbed little Ella's face, our chocolate lab and said, sweetheart,

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 8>I'll be right back. I left in about twelve ten.

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 8>Phone call from Sergeant Hansen and he says, your house

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 8>was on fire. When they got there was fully inflamed.

0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:10.760
<v Speaker 8>Somebody had heard our dog Ella barking. She was outside

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 8>on the deck and they thought she was in a room,

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 8>and he thought if he threw a rock through the

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 8>window he could get the dog out, but she wasn't.

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 8>She was on the other side of the deck. Anyway,

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.279
<v Speaker 8>back drafted and killed her pretty quick. We lost our

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 8>kitty too.

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Remember that little stone wall in Scottsdale. The relics that

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.000
<v Speaker 1>survived catastrophe well.

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.720
<v Speaker 8>In the room that burned the hottest, I found two things,

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 8>my great grandmother's rosary and the gold crucifix that had

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 8>belonged to her. I mean, we're talking black chart everywhere,

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 8>we're looking for the remains of my cat, and these

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 8>are the two things that I find in that room,

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 8>totally untouched. In one bedroom, I had an old cabinet

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 8>had all my notebooks from Phoenix Seminary. I'd gone to seminary.

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 8>They were wet, but all those notebooks survived. Every Bible

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 8>in the house was charred on the outside, but fine

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 8>on the inside.

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Samantha leans on God, but it all just hurts.

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 19>You have brain trauma. I couldn't remember anything. First week

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 19>after the fire.

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 8>I would be an ARII and I'd see a dog

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 8>toy and I'd just start weeping, and people were like,

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 8>they don't know what to do with you.

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 19>I felt like our kids were just pointing us into

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 19>the right direction.

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.879
<v Speaker 8>Tim and I both lost about fifteen pounds that first

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 8>month because we couldn't even eat.

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 19>It was so stressful.

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Samantha's fire makes her think of the Fisher fire, or

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:37.320
<v Speaker 1>trauma of the trauma visited upon Mary's parents.

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 19>I would think, as a parent, why didn't I see

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.359
<v Speaker 19>this coming? Could I have done something? I even think

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.840
<v Speaker 19>about losing Ella and Esther in the fire, and there's.

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 8>A lot of guilt, you know, if you would have

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 8>been there that morning, you were so selfish and you

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:51.800
<v Speaker 8>had to leave and go run errands instead.

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 19>And they're just my animals. They're not even my children.

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 8>So I can't fathom just the devastation that the parents

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 8>felt and losing their.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:01.359
<v Speaker 19>Daughter and grandchildren.

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Sometime before Patty leaves Arizona, Mary's parents stop by to

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:06.760
<v Speaker 1>visit Blue.

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 25>Because he was a piece of their family. You know,

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 25>he knew kids, and it was still part of that story,

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 25>the only living part of that story that they knew

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:14.799
<v Speaker 25>for sure.

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Brit Brittany, Benny Jean, Brittany, Benny Jean, Hey bye bye

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 2>bye bye bye bye bye bye, Glad Gunny, Where I hear.

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 20>Baby bye bye?

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 13>B Janie.

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Saturday, April twenty first, two thousand and one. As the

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 1>search for Robert Fisher continues, attention turns to another cave.

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>The Scottsdale SWAT team, trained to operate in cities, not

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the wilderness, is out of its element. They ask Heulet

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 1>County Detective Brian Havey to help guide them via radio.

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 22>I was on a little knoll maybe two hundred yards

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 22>from the entrance to the cave, behind some good rocks

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 22>as cover. There was sleeting hail and snow coming down.

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 22>They would go like twenty feet and all shot up

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 22>behind a tree, and every time they come out from one,

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 22>they'd say where are you at? So I'd stand up

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.480
<v Speaker 22>and go right here? Which way do we go?

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 18>Now?

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 22>That direction? And it took for them to cover that

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 22>two hundred yards I want to say, forty five minutes.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 1>So they get to the cave entrance and they drop

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 1>flash banks.

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:33.919
<v Speaker 22>Flash banks, smoke grenades the whole nine yards. I don't

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.359
<v Speaker 22>know if they were trying to scare Robert Fisher out

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:39.280
<v Speaker 22>of the cave or any bears or lions or tigers

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 22>or whatever.

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, the weather is rapidly deteriorating.

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.839
<v Speaker 22>The storm came in. We had rain, sleet and some hail,

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 22>and it became quite miserable. As you know, that red

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 22>dirt up there turns into mud real quick though. Everybody

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.320
<v Speaker 22>was tramping around and that stuff.

0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Visibility drops to ten feet.

0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 22>Sometimes we get what we call tide crystals, looks like

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 22>tide soap, and it's just little fluffy snowballs that come down.

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 1>At four PM, the SWAT team retreats from the cave.

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 1>At seven the search is temporarily suspended. Only four units

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:18.840
<v Speaker 1>remain overnight Sunday, April twenty second, Monday three.

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 23>Of the search for murder suspect Robert Fisher is quite

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 23>a different picture. Snow covered the entire area, and there

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 23>are a lot less officers right now.

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 24>We're down to about a third. We've probably got twenty

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 24>five people. I don't have an exact count, but yes,

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 24>we are down because of what's happened in the weather change.

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.759
<v Speaker 23>But the thick blanket of fresh snow also can be

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 23>a benefit for searchers because it's easier to spot new tracks.

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 24>When you have the no snow, you need more searchers

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 24>to cover the ground.

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Officers dart from one false lead to the next, including

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>a nearby lean to no sign of Fisher, buzzards in

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the sky, no sign of Fisher, sightings everywhere, none confirmed

0:46:55.920 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 1>to be Fisher. Monday April twenty third, headline Fisher search fruitless,

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 1>murder suspect vanishes in wilds It's been an exhausting weekend

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 1>for cops and the media. The Arizona Republic has been

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 1>stellar in its reporting, though it does make some mistakes,

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.800
<v Speaker 1>saying at one point, for example, that Robert Fisher is

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 1>definitely cornered in a cave. The Republic also never realizes

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.360
<v Speaker 1>that its own employee, Bud Wolf, is a critical witness,

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the last person to see Mary's Forerunner before it's located

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:30.399
<v Speaker 1>nine days later in the forest. Today, the search ends

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.399
<v Speaker 1>only seventy hours after it began. Heela County Sheriff John

0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Armer tells the Pace and Round Up that law enforcement

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:40.719
<v Speaker 1>spent four thousand, five hundred man hours scouring a one

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 1>point five mile radius around the Forerunner searching for Fisher.

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 1>As far as we're concerned, he says, the probability of

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.719
<v Speaker 1>him being in that area is so low we're not

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>looking anymore. Back in Scottsdale, it.

0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 9>Was a home where a mother and her children were murdered.

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 9>It was also a home purposely set on fire, police say,

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 9>to destroy the bodies and to cover up the triple homicide.

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 9>But as of this morning, the home was torn down

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 9>by a demolition crew, hauled away and.

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Then you see it the little stone wall, this resilient

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:23.319
<v Speaker 1>relic watching as an orange bulldozer karts off rubble from

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.919
<v Speaker 1>the house burned and the lives shattered only twenty feet away.

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 9>While the investigation continues, questions continue to mount. Did Robert

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.080
<v Speaker 9>Fisher really murder his family?

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 23>And if so, why?

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 9>But the big question police say remains, is Robert Fisher

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 9>still out here somewhere.

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Next time, I'm missing in Arizona. So we found Mary

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Fisher's forerunner. It's still on the road, still in Arizona,

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and we're about a half mile away from its current address.

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<v Speaker 1>our executive producer, Chris Brown is our supervising producer. Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>Rose Snyder is our producer. Paul Gemperlin is our researcher,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Bowen is a consulting producer. And I'm your host

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<v Speaker 1>and executive producer, John Wallzac recreations. Voice by Paul Decktt,

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