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Speaker 1: Missing Arizona contains graphic depictions of violence and may not

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Speaker 1: be suitable for all listeners. April tenth, two thousand and one, am.

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Speaker 2: Exploded off of Hollie and a fire and a fire.

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Speaker 1: You're good, big fire, get the big fire.

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Speaker 3: You bet I can do it.

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Speaker 2: The house is exploded and ignited on fire.

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Speaker 1: Who hi are you telling about the fire?

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Speaker 2: As nobody on the way.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we have the whole on the way.

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Speaker 5: I'm just telling to make sure you're good.

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Speaker 1: They come in on Hollie.

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Speaker 4: They get lost every damn time with the fire.

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Speaker 5: They's gonna come in on Hollie.

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's told a second.

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Speaker 4: It's so many folly seventy four goodness, thank you.

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Speaker 1: There is still no fire equipment.

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Speaker 4: He's okay, ma'am.

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Speaker 6: We're on our way.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing you can do to make a little faster. Okay,

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Speaker 4: you're on our wing.

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Speaker 7: Wasn't going on?

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Speaker 4: It's a big fire, really calling me.

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Speaker 6: It's just like blow up.

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Speaker 8: Okay, one's on fire.

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Speaker 1: The whole house, the whole hell, whole house is burning up.

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Speaker 9: And I want to hear them.

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Speaker 10: Going three w It isn't around seventy fourth and.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and there it is whole house in quoting.

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Speaker 11: Okay, we do have.

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Speaker 1: Police the fire on the way, where there are people

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Speaker 1: outside the house, Yes.

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Speaker 12: There are no Probably did.

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Speaker 11: We have one.

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Speaker 8: Cordia web cars?

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Speaker 6: I'll maybe one's done.

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Speaker 12: He could not say how many.

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Speaker 3: Many of those.

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Speaker 2: They're all this.

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Speaker 1: From iHeartRadio and Neon thirty three. I'm John Walsac, and

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Speaker 1: this is Missing in Arizona, the story of a man

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Speaker 1: who disappeared after allegedly killing his wife and kids, blowing

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Speaker 1: up their suburban home and escaping into the wilderness. Twenty

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Speaker 1: three years later, I'm hunting Robert Fisher and I need

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Speaker 1: your help. So we're turning for the first time onto

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Speaker 1: Robert Fisher's street, pulling up into the cul de Sac,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven degrees out. You want to park

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Speaker 1: in front of the stone wall. It's always amazing the

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Speaker 1: simple items that survived catastrophe, the resilient relics, stubbornly dotting

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Speaker 1: desecrated landscapes, refusing to yield. At the end of North

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Speaker 1: seventy fourth place in Scottsdale, Arizona, there sits a little

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Speaker 1: stone wall. It's a gravestone beyond which three people died

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Speaker 1: it's a vital witness, but it cannot speak, and it's

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Speaker 1: an eternal marker of a suburban fabric. One man found

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Speaker 1: so suffocating he slashed and shot and burned his way out.

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Speaker 1: Long after the family who lived twenty feet away died,

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Speaker 1: long after most neighbors moved, Long after a new home

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Speaker 1: replaced the one that exploded, this little stone wall remains.

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Speaker 1: You see it in a home video from nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Hey Babe, Hey, Robert Fisher stands in his driveway, barefoot,

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Speaker 1: cradling his one year old daughter, Brittany, as twilight takes

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Speaker 1: hold just over his right shoulder. The stone wall. You

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Speaker 1: see it too in crime scene photos from two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one. Blackened beams rise from charred, smoldering rubble as

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Speaker 1: investigators circle what remains of the Fisher house. Orange fire

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Speaker 1: hoses spaghetti across cul de Sac pavement under a gray

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Speaker 1: sky stamped with faded, fluffy white clouds. A silver pickup

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Speaker 1: truck sits burned and blistered under a half collapsed carport roof.

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Speaker 1: And there then, as now, the stone wall. This wall,

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Speaker 1: maybe two feet tall, is the line that separates the

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Speaker 1: Fishers from their next door neighbor. Around ten pm on

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Speaker 1: April ninth, two thousand and one, the neighbor hears Robert

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Speaker 1: and Mary fighting. Forty minutes later, Robert gets into Mary's

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Speaker 1: Toyota fore Runner and heads to a nearby ATM, where

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Speaker 1: a camera captures grainy, black and white footage of him

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Speaker 1: pulling out two hundred and eighty dollars, then driving away

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Speaker 1: poof gone forever. This is the final sighting of Robert,

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Speaker 1: the final sighting of Mary's suv until a camper finds

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Speaker 1: it ten days later, abandoned in a remote forest. At least,

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Speaker 1: that's what we've been told for twenty three years by

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Speaker 1: the police, media and FBI. The leading theory is that

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Speaker 1: Robert is grabbing cash and fleeing town, that he already

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Speaker 1: killed Mary and the kids. This is a critical detail.

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Speaker 1: It means he has a ten hour jump on the cops.

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Speaker 1: April ninth, ten forty two pm, Robert's at the ATM

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Speaker 1: April tenth, eight forty two am. His house explodes, a

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Speaker 1: ten hour gap. Except this timeline is wrong. I found

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Speaker 1: a new confirmed sighting. Real quick, let me take you

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Speaker 1: back to the nineteen nineties. Listen to this tiny but

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Speaker 1: important clip from a Fisher home video. Mary films Brittany

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Speaker 1: peddling a small bike down their cul.

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Speaker 12: De Sac dip.

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Speaker 13: You can turn around in that driveway.

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Speaker 1: That driveway two houses down by two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: It belongs to a man who agreed to speak to

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Speaker 1: me on the condition I not use his real name.

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Speaker 1: Let's call him Peter. He works long hours in the

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Speaker 1: food service industry.

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Speaker 14: Sometimes I'd leave to the three o'clock in.

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Speaker 1: The morning April tenth, two thousand and one.

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Speaker 15: When I got up, he had one vehicle underneath to carport,

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Speaker 15: and he had her vehicle on the street.

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Speaker 10: At about three thirty in the morning's when I left,

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Speaker 10: that vehicle was still on the street.

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Speaker 1: His vehicle was pulled underneath to carport. Peter sees both

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Speaker 1: Robert's truck and Mary's suv at the Fisher house at

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Speaker 1: three thirty am, which means we can say definitively for

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Speaker 1: the first time that Robert returned home from the ATM

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Speaker 1: the previous night. This tightens the timeline by five hours

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Speaker 1: and takes me completely by surprise. When I agree to

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Speaker 1: meet Peter, I don't expect much maybe some anecdotes about

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Speaker 1: the Fishers. Instead, three thirty in the morning and both

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Speaker 1: vehicles was still in I asked him repeatedly, if he's sure.

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Speaker 15: I do know that it was zero When I last this,

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Speaker 15: I'd pull out and look right at it and then

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Speaker 15: take off go to Ord.

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Speaker 1: But Peter, are you one hundred percent certain and hositive?

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Speaker 1: Peter has never been interviewed by the media or more importantly,

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, despite living only eighty feet from the Fishers.

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Speaker 1: He provides us two new clues. One a sighting of

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Speaker 1: both vehicles at the Fisherhouse at three thirty am on

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Speaker 1: April tenth, two thousand and one, and two how the

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Speaker 14: The truck was in the driveway.

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Speaker 1: A SEV was on the street. This is abnormal. Peter

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Speaker 1: usually sees Mary's SUV in the driveway and Robert's truck

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Speaker 14: This day it was yapposite.

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Speaker 1: A different neighbor, the one who heard Robert and Mary fighting,

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Speaker 1: tells police the same thing. Why does this tiny detail matter?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you later. April tenth, two thousand and one,

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Speaker 1: a twenty year old Alicia Keys releases her debut single

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Speaker 1: Fallen at eight forty two two the Fisher House. Exwait,

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Speaker 1: hold up, I lied, I told you I found one

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Speaker 1: new witness, but I actually found two. I have another

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Speaker 1: one for you, and he tightens up the timeline even further.

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Speaker 1: His name is Bud Wolf. Unfortunately he died in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, so instead I meet with his daughter, Jenna.

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Speaker 1: We're learning now that the very last person to ever

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Speaker 1: see Mary Fisher's SUV or any sign therefore, Robert Fisher,

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Speaker 1: was your dad.

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Speaker 5: Wow, that's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Jenna often joins her dad as he makes repeated early

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Speaker 1: morning visits to the Fisher's cul de sac.

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Speaker 9: I know this show was pretty dark.

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Speaker 1: On April tenth, two thousand and one, Jenna is not

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Speaker 1: with her dad as he delivers newspapers.

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Speaker 13: He would have picked him up and then drove to Scottsdale,

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Speaker 13: so I had to put him there between four and five.

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Speaker 1: Bud Wolf is in Scottsdale by four or five am.

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Speaker 1: But when exactly does he pass the Fisher House? What

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Speaker 1: does he see? And how do I even know this?

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Speaker 1: Last year I obtained a previously unreported memo written by

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Speaker 1: a Scotts Sale police officer. Here it is read by

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Speaker 1: a voice actor on four eleven oh one, the day

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Speaker 1: after the house explodes.

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Speaker 16: At zero five zero five hours five oh five am.

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Speaker 16: While working traffic control at seventy fourth Place in Holly,

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Speaker 16: monitoring the northbound entrance to seventy fourth Place, I observed

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Speaker 16: a paper carrier approach my location. I contacted the paper

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Speaker 16: carrier Arizona Republic, who identified himself verbally as Bud Wolf.

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Speaker 16: Bud stated that he needed to deliver five newspapers on

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Speaker 16: seventy fourth Place north of Holly. Bud inquired if he

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Speaker 16: should simply walk in, as northbound seventy fourth Place was

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Speaker 16: taped off with yellow crime scene tape. I advised Bud

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Speaker 16: to go ahead and walk into the neighborhood. When Bud returned,

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Speaker 16: he stated that yesterday he accidentally delivered a newspaper to

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Speaker 16: the house that burned. He added that he delivered this

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Speaker 16: paper by mistake.

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Speaker 1: At zero five thirty hours five thirty am.

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Speaker 16: Bud stated that on four to ten oh one, at

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Speaker 16: zero five thirty, he noticed that the large pickup that

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Speaker 16: is now parked under the car port and burned was

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Speaker 16: parked in the driveway, but the rear of the vehicle

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Speaker 16: was sticking out blocking the sidewalk. Bud added that there

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Speaker 16: was another vehicle parked in front of the truck under

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Speaker 16: as a white car possibly. Bud said that he wasn't

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Speaker 16: positive about the vehicle type. About two minutes after he

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Speaker 16: delivered the paper, he realized his mistake. Bud then went

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Speaker 16: back and retrieved the paper. Bud left the area. Bud

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Speaker 16: After Bud left, I noticed that I forgot to get

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Speaker 16: Bud's state of birth. I called Bud's cell phone. I

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Speaker 16: spoke to Bud and got his birth date. During the conversation,

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Speaker 16: Bud volunteered that he now remembered that the vehicle that

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Speaker 16: he saw in front of the truck was not a car,

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Speaker 16: but a white suv. Bud was not sure what type

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Speaker 16: of suv it was. Bud added that it appeared to

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Speaker 16: be an older model. Bud said that the vehicle was

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Speaker 16: definitely not a van.

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Speaker 1: Signed by Officer Abernathy, Badge number seven zero four. Let's

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Speaker 1: pause for a minute and take stock of what we've learned.

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Speaker 1: One hbor who hears Robert and Mary arguing at ten

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Speaker 1: pm on April ninth, sees their vehicles parked abnormally. Mary's

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Speaker 1: fore Runner in the driveway Robert's truck in the street.

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Speaker 1: Two Peter, a different neighbor, sees the same thing when

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Speaker 1: he leaves for work at three thirty AM on April tenth.

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Speaker 1: Three Budwolf, a newspaper delivery man, sees Robert's truck and

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Speaker 1: what appears to be Mary's four runner at five thirty AM.

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Speaker 1: So for the first time in twenty three years, we've

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Speaker 1: narrowed down the case timeline significantly. Robert Fisher does not

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Speaker 1: immediately flee after visiting the ATM on April ninth. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he's still home seven hours later at five thirty AM.

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Speaker 1: On April tenth. The house explodes at eight forty two AM,

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Speaker 1: so Robert flees sometime between five thirty and eight forty two.

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Speaker 1: But we can narrow it down even further because Mary

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Speaker 1: Fisher is supposed to pick up a neighbor's son for

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Speaker 1: a school carpool at seven thirty. When she doesn't show up,

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Speaker 1: that neighbor looks out a window and sees Robert's truck,

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Speaker 1: but not Mary's forerunner. So with two new witnesses, we've

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Speaker 1: narrowed down when Robert flees to between five thirty and

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Speaker 1: seven thirty. What else can we deduce. Well, the sun

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Speaker 1: but civil twilight starts at five thirty seven, meaning there's

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Speaker 1: My best guess is that he flees shortly after Bud

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Speaker 1: Is it really creepy to think that that morning Robert

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Speaker 14: Extremely creepy.

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Speaker 1: Extremely, There's no reason to doubt, Bud Wolf. He shares

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Speaker 1: He has no reason to lie. Would you describe your

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Speaker 1: What do you say he had a good memory? He

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Speaker 1: Would there be any reason to doubt an account that

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Speaker 1: Ten pm, a neighbor hears Robert and Mary arguing. The

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Speaker 1: Here's why this is important. It means that between three

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Speaker 1: episode Stay tuned. So your family owned the land on

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Speaker 18: My father bought the property in twenty nine and he

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Speaker 1: On that forty acres, what was farmed.

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Speaker 18: Mostly cotton, sorghum, and some citrus.

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Speaker 1: Mike Wilmith now owns only two of the original forty acres,

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Speaker 18: I was just beginning to come out of sleep. That's

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Speaker 1: And you didn't immediately hop out of bed. It sounds

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Speaker 18: I stayed in bed for a few minutes until he

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you, your Dralsey, Ye're waking up. It's

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Speaker 1: not how you want to start your morning news. Helicopters

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Speaker 6: Rural Metro Fire Department.

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is missus Howell, my son, Robert Fisher's house.

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Speaker 4: I just saw blow up on television. I want to

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Speaker 6: It's okay, and this is your son's house.

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Speaker 15: Yes, okay, just a minute, ma'am, Yes, okay, I'm going

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Speaker 6: Was there anybody? Was your son out of town or

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Speaker 4: Do you know he's supposed to I just called the hospital.

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Speaker 4: He works at Mayo Hospital, Uh huh. And I called

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Speaker 4: house exploded with gas. And okay, and on television I

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Speaker 15: Okay, now we're not sure. You said the person who

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Speaker 15: never mind, all right. All I can do is how

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Speaker 4: There's a boy ten years old, a girl thirteen years old,

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Speaker 6: Okay, so there's four people that live in the house, yes,

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Speaker 1: The explosion is violent, rattling houses for a half mile

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Speaker 1: The most direct witness is a man named Max Moody

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Speaker 1: The first cop to arrive is Scottsdale Police Officer Jay Hawkins.

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Speaker 1: As he pulls up, there's a series of smaller secondary explosions,

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Speaker 14: I was working as a reporter at the Arizona Republic,

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Speaker 1: The scott Steel Police Department is here too. Detective TJ.

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Speaker 1: Duran arrives to a fire blasted Norman Rockwell painting nice

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Speaker 3: The damage was incredible. We were kind of like, what

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Speaker 1: Juranne guesses correctly, natural gas. He and other detectives, including

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Speaker 1: John Kirkham and Joe LaDuke, circle the house trying to

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Speaker 3: Normal cases, somebody's going to wake up and move. They

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Speaker 14: Soon it became apparent that it wasn't just a house

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Speaker 1: Detectives fight to keep gory details private, and they're successful

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Speaker 7: Someone called me and said I think Mary's house blew up.

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Speaker 1: Mary's friend Kim Davidson.

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Speaker 12: So, what do you mean?

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Speaker 7: And they said, I just heard there's a house and

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Speaker 1: At SUPERI Middle School, principal Diane Wells calls an emergency

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Speaker 13: Then the police come in and they're like, there's been

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Speaker 5: Because the news was blowing up and we had to

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Speaker 5: be strong That was the strongest I've ever had to

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Speaker 13: One of my colleagues, Kate Evererly it said, wait, where's

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Speaker 13: never forget that moment because all I know is the

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Speaker 5: Bam, they were gone.

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Speaker 1: This is on purpose. The Scottsdale Police Department wants to

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Speaker 1: hope he'll return and claim to have been camping or

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Speaker 1: Here's a false rumor that SPD found Robert's body, So

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Speaker 1: I go, oh.

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Speaker 18: Man, my friend Robert's gone.

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Speaker 19: Then it's the reports start coming in.

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Speaker 16: No, he's not there.

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Speaker 11: They found the bodies of Brittany and Bobby and Mary

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Speaker 11: my goodness, this just went from bad to very very

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Speaker 8: And where is he?

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Speaker 1: Even as it starts to click mom dead, daughter dead,

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Speaker 1: son dead, dad missing, SPD declares that Robert is not

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Speaker 1: a suspect, though he is wanted for questioning. The next day,

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Speaker 1: Mary's father, Bill Cooper, a retired school principal who walks

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Speaker 1: with two canes, speaks to the media.

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Speaker 12: Robert, we love you, whoever you are, Robert, please we understand,

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Speaker 12: we love you. Just come home, please, Robert and I

447
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Speaker 12: don't know what's going on. We don't know anything for sure,

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Speaker 12: but we'd like to hear from you, please.

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Speaker 1: Robert, Bill begs a newspaper reporter to quote, please please

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Speaker 1: keep writing good things about Robert. He's a good man.

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Speaker 14: You want to know about my Robert. He was the

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Speaker 14: greatest dad, he was the greatest husband.

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Speaker 1: I miss him. I miss him terribly. I miss him

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Speaker 1: almost as much as I miss my daughter, because they

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Speaker 1: were one. Bill's grief hurts my soul reporting this case.

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Speaker 1: I think of it every time I see him in

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Speaker 1: old family videos, including this clip from nineteen eighty nine

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Speaker 1: with Robert and Brittany.

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Speaker 20: Oh Brittany got cross file. They're like, Oh, Brittany's one

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Speaker 20: years old.

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Speaker 1: On April fourteenth, two thousand and one, the Arizona Republic

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Speaker 1: leads with a story by Tom z Ohner headline family

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Speaker 1: in Blaze slashed shot quote. Mary Fisher was shot in

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Speaker 1: the back of the head and her children's throats were

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Speaker 1: slashed and the hours before their Scottsdale home exploded Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: scott Stale detectives including T. J. Duran and John Kirkham

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Speaker 1: are furious with his owner.

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Speaker 3: Somebody gave him information on the crime that shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: been in the newspapers. So at that point we realized, well,

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Speaker 3: the Republic's distributed throughout the whole state, there's no doubt

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Speaker 3: he's looking at newspapers, so we knew at that point

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Speaker 3: our theory that he'd come back is out the window.

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Speaker 3: That's done. As a matter of fact, when that printed,

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Speaker 3: John called me that morning, really early in said, have

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Speaker 3: you seen the fucking newspaper front page? And at that

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Speaker 3: time I used to have it delivered to me, and

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Speaker 3: I looked at it, and then I called him back

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Speaker 3: and said, who the fuck is talking?

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Speaker 1: SPD is fighting to find Robert Fisher and Tom Zohner

480
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Speaker 1: just nuked their strategy.

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Speaker 14: That came to a head and what amounted to a

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Speaker 14: yelling match in between myself and Detective Duran. He completely

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Speaker 14: uncorked on me. I yelled back at him, and that

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Speaker 14: was that. Years later we passed it up. I do

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Speaker 14: have a lot of respect for him. I think he

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Speaker 14: did as good a job as any police officer could

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Speaker 14: have done on this case, and he also understood why

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Speaker 14: we were twined for the information that we got. In

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Speaker 14: some ways, the mission of the police end of the

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Speaker 14: news is parallel. You want to find out what the

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Speaker 14: heck happened.

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Speaker 1: Zohner's article with details on the murders is a turning

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Speaker 1: point in the case.

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Speaker 8: And now father and husband Robert Fisher is officially being

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Speaker 8: called a suspect.

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Speaker 1: At Superi Middle School, Miss Honey, Britney's teacher and the

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Speaker 1: second to last person to see and speak with Robert

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Speaker 1: Fisher at the Honor Society event on April ninth, takes

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Speaker 1: a deep breath, and then it was.

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Speaker 5: This moment of Oh my God, I shook his hand.

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Speaker 5: I shook his hand that night.

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Speaker 16: It was me.

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Speaker 9: I was the one.

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Speaker 1: As the gravity and depravity of the situation sink in. Mary, Brittany,

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Speaker 1: and Bobby are cremated and laid to rest in a

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Speaker 1: private ceremony on Easter weekend. Then on April seventeenth, a

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Speaker 1: crowd of thirteen hundred gathers for a public memorial. Undercover

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Speaker 1: cops scan the crowd for any sign of Robert Fisher.

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Speaker 1: As speakers memorialized Brittany ten days before what would have

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Speaker 1: been her thirteenth birthday, we saw her as.

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Speaker 17: A bright and shining star among her peers. Such a

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Speaker 17: beautiful young lady, so precious, so unique, so special. She

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Speaker 17: will be missed more than I can say. God must

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Speaker 17: be thrilled to have her right now in his choir

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Speaker 17: in heaven.

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Speaker 7: I love you, Maria.

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Speaker 17: I love you, Brittany, I love your Barney.

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Speaker 1: Bill Cooper speaks.

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Speaker 10: Like God has a plan. He has a timing for

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Speaker 10: our lives. And you've heard today that this was not

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Speaker 10: something that was yanked from Mary and Brittany and Bobby.

522
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Speaker 10: God has a plan. We don't know what it is,

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Speaker 10: but I know someday we're going to know. But until then,

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Speaker 10: I just want you to know that we're going to

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00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 10: miss him so much. They were such a joy to

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Speaker 10: my life. But I still have my murder and we

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Speaker 10: will see them again in glory. Did I keep that

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Speaker 10: under seven minutes?

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Speaker 4: Great?

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Speaker 6: Bill.

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Speaker 1: Missing in Alaska and Missing on nine to eleven. For updates,

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Speaker 12: J O n w A.

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Speaker 1: L Czak. Thanks for listening. Thursday April nineteenth, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one, nine days after the house explodes, as darkness falls,

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Speaker 1: a fifty year old man named Greg drives down a

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Speaker 1: bumpy road in Arizona's Tonto National Forest looking for a

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Speaker 1: place to camp. Greg is alone. He often is. He

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Speaker 1: wanders the country doing construction work he parks his van

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Speaker 1: at a primitive campsite and gets out. Slushy snow falls

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Speaker 1: gently from above, drifting down into an inky forest devoid

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Speaker 1: of light and sound. This spot is one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty miles northeast of Scottsdale, fifteen miles from the tiny

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Speaker 1: town of Young, and one thousand feet from the Ford

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Speaker 1: Apache Indian Reservation, on a steep climbed down from the

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Speaker 1: muggy on rem l l o n An escarpment, a

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Speaker 1: long steep slope, a strip of cliffs. Think of it

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Speaker 1: as a jagged raised scar stretching two hundred miles across

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Speaker 1: the state. This is where Greg finds himself cold, wandering

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Speaker 1: down a forest service road, hunting by flashlight for firewood,

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Speaker 1: when he spots a glint of silver in the woods.

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Speaker 14: Closing your eyes, dot dot dot, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Tom Dolner, now a successful author, published a book last

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Speaker 1: year called rim To River, Looking into the Heart of Arizona,

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Speaker 1: in which he paints a vivid portrait of this remote spot.

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Speaker 14: It's up in what Arizona's call the high country, at

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Speaker 14: five thousand feet above sea level, A lot of tall

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Speaker 14: pine trees, a lot of granite crags, a lot of

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Speaker 14: places to get lost.

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Speaker 21: It's alpine, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Frank Kimbler is a geologist and former Arizona resident.

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Speaker 21: There are creeks and there are lakes up there. It's

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Speaker 21: essentially the high country of Arizona. It's a full of

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Speaker 21: wild light. There's lots of beer. There's bear It's almost

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Speaker 21: like going to a miniature version of Yellowstone.

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Speaker 22: It's hon rosa pine tree forest with Laura shrubs consisting

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Speaker 22: of Manzanita and Jennifer.

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Speaker 1: Brian Havey is a retired detective in Heila County, a

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Speaker 1: stunning expanse of wilderness dotted by towns with names like

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Speaker 1: six Shooter Canyon, Dripping Springs, and Whispering Pines, great.

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Speaker 22: Hunting grounds, deer, elk, turkey, nonline, bear, bobcats, coyotes, the

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Speaker 22: whole nine yards.

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Speaker 1: This is where Greg Our protagonist or the FBI will

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Speaker 1: later wonder antagonist finds a silver suv at night, alone

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Speaker 1: in a three million acre national forest. Greg knows Robert

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Speaker 1: Fisher is missing. He knows Fisher is likely driving a

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Speaker 1: silver suv. But he's tired, it's dark, he's cold, and

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Speaker 1: he's learned generally to mind his own business. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: know for sure if the suv is the suv, so

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Speaker 1: he makes a fire, has dinner, and falls asleep in

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Speaker 1: his van. The next morning, the suv is still there,

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Speaker 1: perching behind it. Greg pulls out binoculars and zooms in.

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Speaker 1: He sees a four an R. It is a Forerunner.

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Speaker 1: Then he sees movement a dog. This has to be

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Speaker 1: the Forerunner the dog. The dog starts to approach him,

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00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: but pauses halfway and turns around. Greg wonders is Robert

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Speaker 1: in the woods watching him? Is he dead in a ditch?

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Speaker 1: He doesn't wait to find out. He packs up and

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Speaker 1: drives forty minutes north to a gas station, where he

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Speaker 1: uses a payphone to call Jim and Bobby Jacka, an

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Speaker 1: elderly couple in Mesa. He tells them what he found

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Speaker 1: and asks them to call the police, and then he vanishes. Friday,

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Speaker 1: April twentieth, two thousand and one, ten am, the Jackas

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Speaker 1: call the Scottsdale Police Department. Detective Kirkham takes the call.

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Speaker 1: Detective Duran stands next to him. They look at each other.

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Speaker 1: A silver Forerunner and a dog abandoned in the woods.

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Speaker 1: It has to be Mary's suv and blue the Fisher

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Speaker 1: family pet right, but they need confirmation and they're two

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Speaker 1: and a half hours away by car.

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Speaker 3: So we immediately called DPS.

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Speaker 1: The Arizona Department of Public Safety.

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Speaker 3: And said, hey, CA, you do me a favor.

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Speaker 1: Fly up over there by helicopter.

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Speaker 3: Within an hour, DPS calls and says, hey, this is

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Speaker 3: the truck we have in this is the plate, that's him,

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Speaker 3: that's the truck. Well, guess what happens. Who's listening to

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Speaker 3: the scanners the media, So that immediately hits the news.

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Speaker 3: Helicopters are up there, they're filming it, and we're like,

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Speaker 3: are you fucking kidding me? So within an hour or so,

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Speaker 3: John and I are on a Blackhawk and they fly

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Speaker 3: us to the rim. HeLa County and Coconino County are

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Speaker 3: already there.

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Speaker 1: Who was the first member of law enforcement on the scene.

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Speaker 22: You're looking at him?

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Speaker 1: HeLa County Detective Brian hay I.

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Speaker 22: Had Deputy Colt White in my vehicle. Two of us

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Speaker 22: did a walk in through the trees and brush, using

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Speaker 22: them as cover.

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Speaker 1: Hayvey pause behind a tree and aims his rifle at

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Speaker 1: the suv. He sees movement. Is it Fisher? No, it's

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Speaker 1: blue the dog. But Fisher could be anywhere waiting to

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Speaker 1: snipe cops or blow them up. What if he rigged

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Speaker 1: the Forerunner to explode or scattered booby traps in the forest.

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Speaker 1: As Hevey makes a final approach, he startled to see

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Speaker 1: a car speed past him on a rough dirt road

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Speaker 1: directly to the suv. The good news backup is here.

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Speaker 1: The bad it's a less experienced cop with blatant disregard

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Speaker 1: for tactical safety.

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Speaker 22: I remember having a discussion with officer why that idiot.

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Speaker 22: If he's there, we're going to have to rescue his

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Speaker 22: ass too.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, other members of law enforcement set up a command

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Speaker 1: post a quarter mile south on Young Highway Highway, it

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Speaker 1: should be noted is an overly generous moniker. Much of

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Speaker 1: the seventy four mile road is unpaved and sounds like this.

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Speaker 1: Scottsdale Detective T. J. Juran arrives by helicopter. Did they

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Speaker 1: land you on the highway?

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Speaker 3: No, they landed us in a field surrounded by pine trees.

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Speaker 1: As Duran lands, a swat team moves methodically through the

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Speaker 1: forest with scant cover. There's no sign of Fisher. The

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Speaker 1: leading theory is that he's armed extremely dangerous and hold

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Speaker 1: up in a nearby cave. As the sun sets and

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Speaker 1: the forest darkens, Police set up a perimeter, but don't

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Speaker 1: enter the cave. Instead, they call a plumber. Imagine you

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00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: spent your day unclogging toilets and now, voila, you're part

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Speaker 1: of a high stakes man hunt. The plumber snakes a

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Speaker 1: grainy drain camera down into the tight underground cave, perhaps

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Speaker 1: expecting a pair of eyes to peer back at him.

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Speaker 1: He sees nothing. At the command post, restless media beg

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Speaker 1: for updates, the Heela County Sheriff agrees to speak.

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Speaker 3: They all gather around him with the cameras and they

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Speaker 3: shine lights in him, and his first words were turn

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Speaker 3: your lights off. And everybody was like, oh okay, And

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Speaker 3: they shut the lights.

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Speaker 1: Off, just in case anyone's watching from the woods.

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Speaker 23: Even though the search has been called off for the night,

659
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 23: heavily armed swat team members kept a watchful eye for Robert.

660
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: Fischer the next day.

661
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 23: More than one hundred men and women from DPS, Heale

662
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 23: County Sheriff's Department and Scottsdale Police swat team moved in

663
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 23: early this morning, hoping to pick up on Fisher's trail.

664
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 23: A special dog from the Americopa County Sheriff's Department used

665
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 23: to search for dead people, will also be joining the team.

666
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 24: We're going to be checking the caves, but we don't

667
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 24: need to do those with the cadaver dog in the

668
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 24: eventity is in the hole and has expired. We don't

669
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 24: know that.

670
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 23: The Healay County Sheriff's Department thinks Fisher may have been

671
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 23: here for at least a week before his car was found,

672
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 23: because it was clean without having been driven in the mud.

673
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 24: We do know what was after this nose because these

674
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 24: vehicles clean. So we're working a period of time from

675
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 24: the thirteenth to the month until now.

676
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 23: Meanwhile, on a roadblock cars coming and going into the

677
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 23: area where checks to make sure Fisher wasn't hiding out

678
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 23: A scary thought for some drivers.

679
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 7: I wish I was armed.

680
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 15: You know, it's concerning because this is I have a convertible.

681
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: We put the top up because we don't want anybody

682
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: jumping in the car, and you know.

683
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: That they've got homicide soft.

684
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 22: Yeah, I read about it. Okay, Yeah, probably shouldn't.

685
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 23: Want to don't want to pick up any hut hikeruiser

686
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 23: where strike to yatten.

687
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: Now, okay, lady, thank you.

688
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 24: Okay. What we have done this morning, though, is we've

689
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 24: gone out checked all the areas a musing the snow

690
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 24: as a guide for us, looking for tracks, trying to

691
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 24: locate if the subject had walked out. We found no

692
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 24: new tracks.

693
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 11: We did have a couple of reports.

694
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 23: About a minle.

695
00:36:49,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: It's not him, as cadaver dogs circle caves and bloodhound

696
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: sniff the forerunner. Patty Blackmore, a veterinarian in the mountain

697
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: town of Paysin, gets a call. At least one member

698
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: of the Fisher family is running around the woods, Robert

699
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: Fisher's dog, and the cops want Patty to nab him.

700
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: Patty's having a rough morning. She and her friend Samantha

701
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: Wright just euthanized a white malamute after a failed surgery

702
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: to remove a huge stomach tumor. The malamute's owners drop

703
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: off a dozen donuts to say thank you. Now, Patty

704
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: and Samantha hop in a car and drive into the

705
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: center of a massive manhunt.

706
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 25: Oh my gosh, they're busy everywhere, and news people lining

707
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 25: the road and napping pictures, and it was very overwhelming.

708
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 19: Yeah, and I think you had a ball cap on.

709
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 8: I mean it was set morning.

710
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 5: We were no makeup, barely out of our pajamas.

711
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 19: Yeah, I had my pajamas on.

712
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 17: I don't remember.

713
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 25: Now, just another day, we go do a surgery, get

714
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 25: called in to capture some dog.

715
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 5: That's yeah, yeah, allegedly worded his family.

716
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: No, just like another day, Patty reports to headquarters.

717
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 25: They're all these guys and they've got all their gear on,

718
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 25: you know, their bulletproof vests. And I said, I was

719
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 25: here to pick up the dog, and they said, well,

720
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 25: did you bring your stun gun. I said no, I

721
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 25: had no idea that they had not caught the dog.

722
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 25: And so we ended up loading up in a suv myself,

723
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 25: my girlfriend, the donuts, a leash, and I think there

724
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 25: were probably four or five guys, and we drove out

725
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 25: into the forest and when we got there, they were

726
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 25: actually loading Robert Frisher's car onto a flatbed, and the

727
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 25: dog was just acting confused, walking in circles, and I

728
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 25: just said, don't take the vehicle away, because if you do,

729
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 25: the dog doesn't have any reason to stay here. So

730
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 25: I had them all stay in their vehicle. I approached

731
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 25: the dog with a donut and a leash, and the

732
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 25: helicopter was going above, and they were all filming all

733
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 25: of this.

734
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: The forest is silent save for a panting dog, a

735
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: distant helicopter, and the wind. There's a heavy scent.

736
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 19: Of pine that was kind of cold and wet and dewey.

737
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: Patty doesn't pay much attention to the forerunner.

738
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 25: It was mostly figuring out how am I going to

739
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 25: catch this dog on live television without.

740
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 5: Looking like an house.

741
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: It's the truth.

742
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 25: I threw him a piece of doughnut and he ate it.

743
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 25: I threw him another one and got a little closer

744
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 25: and he ate it. And then I finally stuck my

745
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 25: hand through the leash like a slip leash, gave him

746
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 25: the piece of donut, and then I was.

747
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 5: Able to catch the dog.

748
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: Now all Patty can think is what if Fisher shoots me?

749
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 25: Is in the sniper me out of some tree was creepy,

750
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 25: which is not that crazy.

751
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: To think, right, And you were the one everybody was

752
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: in the.

753
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 25: Sv Yeah, and they sent me in the middle of

754
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 25: the forest, you know, with the dogs dog me the dog.

755
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 25: Don't it in a leash against the world?

756
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 12: Right?

757
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 24: Seriously?

758
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 18: Oh man, have you ever seen the video of yourself.

759
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 25: I don't think I ever have.

760
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 12: Do you have it?

761
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 19: Yes, that's it. That photo, that's it. Yeah, Oh my gosh.

762
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 19: So this is me and Patty's down trinking Blue.

763
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: Blue, a two year old Australian cattle dog, is hungry, thirsty,

764
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: and agitated.

765
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 25: When I caught him, he had porkpine quills off throughout

766
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 25: his face, so I went ahead and sedated him, and

767
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 25: then went ahead and carried him out. We ended up

768
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 25: taking him back to the clinic where I removed all

769
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 25: the porcupine quills, and then brought him home to my

770
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 25: house and kept him with me. After that, there were

771
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 25: multiple multiple people that wanted to adopt him, but the

772
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 25: family didn't want the dog to be a big spectacle,

773
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 25: so we didn't, of course talk to any of them.

774
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 25: And I think at one point I even had a

775
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 25: sign on my door because people were following me, following

776
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 25: me everywhere, calling about the dog, wanting the dog, And

777
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 25: so I ended up adopting Blue and handed up living

778
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 25: with us for the rest of his life.

779
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: Patty and her family moved to Missouri in twenty eleven.

780
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: They nicknamed Blue Duck because he makes a funny honking

781
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: noise with his mouth. Blue spends his final years roaming

782
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: a farm, happy and free. He dies in twenty fourteen.

783
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: Patty and Samantha have vivid memories of their surreal experience

784
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: in the forest. Until two years ago. Samantha also had

785
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: physical mementos, some of the porcupine quills pulled from blue snout.

786
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: She wanted to make Patty a memory box.

787
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 19: I kept putting it off, and then our house burned

788
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 19: down two years ago, and so we lost it all

789
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 19: that morning, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna

790
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 19: go run errands, get stuff done.

791
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 8: I grabbed little Ella's face, our chocolate lab and said, sweetheart,

792
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 8: I'll be right back. I left in about twelve ten.

793
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 8: Phone call from Sergeant Hansen and he says, your house

794
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 8: was on fire. When they got there was fully inflamed.

795
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 8: Somebody had heard our dog Ella barking. She was outside

796
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 8: on the deck and they thought she was in a room,

797
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 8: and he thought if he threw a rock through the

798
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 8: window he could get the dog out, but she wasn't.

799
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 8: She was on the other side of the deck. Anyway,

800
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 8: back drafted and killed her pretty quick. We lost our

801
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 8: kitty too.

802
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: Remember that little stone wall in Scottsdale. The relics that

803
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: survived catastrophe well.

804
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 8: In the room that burned the hottest, I found two things,

805
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 8: my great grandmother's rosary and the gold crucifix that had

806
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 8: belonged to her. I mean, we're talking black chart everywhere,

807
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 8: we're looking for the remains of my cat, and these

808
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 8: are the two things that I find in that room,

809
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 8: totally untouched. In one bedroom, I had an old cabinet

810
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 8: had all my notebooks from Phoenix Seminary. I'd gone to seminary.

811
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 8: They were wet, but all those notebooks survived. Every Bible

812
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 8: in the house was charred on the outside, but fine

813
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 8: on the inside.

814
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: Samantha leans on God, but it all just hurts.

815
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 19: You have brain trauma. I couldn't remember anything. First week

816
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 19: after the fire.

817
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 8: I would be an ARII and I'd see a dog

818
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 8: toy and I'd just start weeping, and people were like,

819
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 8: they don't know what to do with you.

820
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 19: I felt like our kids were just pointing us into

821
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 19: the right direction.

822
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 8: Tim and I both lost about fifteen pounds that first

823
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 8: month because we couldn't even eat.

824
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 19: It was so stressful.

825
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: Samantha's fire makes her think of the Fisher fire, or

826
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: trauma of the trauma visited upon Mary's parents.

827
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 19: I would think, as a parent, why didn't I see

828
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 19: this coming? Could I have done something? I even think

829
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 19: about losing Ella and Esther in the fire, and there's.

830
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 8: A lot of guilt, you know, if you would have

831
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 8: been there that morning, you were so selfish and you

832
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 8: had to leave and go run errands instead.

833
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 19: And they're just my animals. They're not even my children.

834
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 8: So I can't fathom just the devastation that the parents

835
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 8: felt and losing their.

836
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 19: Daughter and grandchildren.

837
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: Sometime before Patty leaves Arizona, Mary's parents stop by to

838
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: visit Blue.

839
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 25: Because he was a piece of their family. You know,

840
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 25: he knew kids, and it was still part of that story,

841
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 25: the only living part of that story that they knew

842
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 25: for sure.

843
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: Brit Brittany, Benny Jean, Brittany, Benny Jean, Hey bye bye

844
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: bye bye bye bye bye bye, Glad Gunny, Where I hear.

845
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 20: Baby bye bye?

846
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 13: B Janie.

847
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: Saturday, April twenty first, two thousand and one. As the

848
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: search for Robert Fisher continues, attention turns to another cave.

849
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: The Scottsdale SWAT team, trained to operate in cities, not

850
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: the wilderness, is out of its element. They ask Heulet

851
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: County Detective Brian Havey to help guide them via radio.

852
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 22: I was on a little knoll maybe two hundred yards

853
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 22: from the entrance to the cave, behind some good rocks

854
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 22: as cover. There was sleeting hail and snow coming down.

855
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 22: They would go like twenty feet and all shot up

856
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 22: behind a tree, and every time they come out from one,

857
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 22: they'd say where are you at? So I'd stand up

858
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 22: and go right here? Which way do we go?

859
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 18: Now?

860
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 22: That direction? And it took for them to cover that

861
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 22: two hundred yards I want to say, forty five minutes.

862
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: So they get to the cave entrance and they drop

863
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: flash banks.

864
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 22: Flash banks, smoke grenades the whole nine yards. I don't

865
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 22: know if they were trying to scare Robert Fisher out

866
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 22: of the cave or any bears or lions or tigers

867
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 22: or whatever.

868
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the weather is rapidly deteriorating.

869
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 22: The storm came in. We had rain, sleet and some hail,

870
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 22: and it became quite miserable. As you know, that red

871
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 22: dirt up there turns into mud real quick though. Everybody

872
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 22: was tramping around and that stuff.

873
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: Visibility drops to ten feet.

874
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 22: Sometimes we get what we call tide crystals, looks like

875
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 22: tide soap, and it's just little fluffy snowballs that come down.

876
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: At four PM, the SWAT team retreats from the cave.

877
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: At seven the search is temporarily suspended. Only four units

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Speaker 1: remain overnight Sunday, April twenty second, Monday three.

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Speaker 23: Of the search for murder suspect Robert Fisher is quite

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00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 23: a different picture. Snow covered the entire area, and there

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Speaker 23: are a lot less officers right now.

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Speaker 24: We're down to about a third. We've probably got twenty

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Speaker 24: five people. I don't have an exact count, but yes,

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Speaker 24: we are down because of what's happened in the weather change.

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Speaker 23: But the thick blanket of fresh snow also can be

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Speaker 23: a benefit for searchers because it's easier to spot new tracks.

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Speaker 24: When you have the no snow, you need more searchers

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Speaker 24: to cover the ground.

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Speaker 1: Officers dart from one false lead to the next, including

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Speaker 1: a nearby lean to no sign of Fisher, buzzards in

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00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: the sky, no sign of Fisher, sightings everywhere, none confirmed

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Speaker 1: to be Fisher. Monday April twenty third, headline Fisher search fruitless,

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Speaker 1: murder suspect vanishes in wilds It's been an exhausting weekend

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Speaker 1: for cops and the media. The Arizona Republic has been

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Speaker 1: stellar in its reporting, though it does make some mistakes,

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Speaker 1: saying at one point, for example, that Robert Fisher is

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Speaker 1: definitely cornered in a cave. The Republic also never realizes

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Speaker 1: that its own employee, Bud Wolf, is a critical witness,

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Speaker 1: the last person to see Mary's Forerunner before it's located

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Speaker 1: nine days later in the forest. Today, the search ends

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Speaker 1: only seventy hours after it began. Heela County Sheriff John

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Speaker 1: Armer tells the Pace and Round Up that law enforcement

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Speaker 1: spent four thousand, five hundred man hours scouring a one

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Speaker 1: point five mile radius around the Forerunner searching for Fisher.

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Speaker 1: As far as we're concerned, he says, the probability of

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Speaker 1: him being in that area is so low we're not

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Speaker 1: looking anymore. Back in Scottsdale, it.

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Speaker 9: Was a home where a mother and her children were murdered.

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00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 9: It was also a home purposely set on fire, police say,

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Speaker 9: to destroy the bodies and to cover up the triple homicide.

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Speaker 9: But as of this morning, the home was torn down

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Speaker 9: by a demolition crew, hauled away and.

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Speaker 1: Then you see it the little stone wall, this resilient

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Speaker 1: relic watching as an orange bulldozer karts off rubble from

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Speaker 1: the house burned and the lives shattered only twenty feet away.

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Speaker 9: While the investigation continues, questions continue to mount. Did Robert

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Speaker 9: Fisher really murder his family?

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Speaker 23: And if so, why?

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Speaker 9: But the big question police say remains, is Robert Fisher

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Speaker 9: still out here somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Next time, I'm missing in Arizona. So we found Mary

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Speaker 1: Fisher's forerunner. It's still on the road, still in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: and we're about a half mile away from its current address.

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