1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Channel one two. A teenager accused of live streaming a 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: deadly crash and the aftermath showing her sister's lifeless body 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: will remain in jail for now. Abdulia Sanchez, student in 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: front of a her said county judge asking to either 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: be released or have her bell reduced from five hundred 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: sixty dollars. The defenses the bill is too much for 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: an eighteen year old in foster care. This bill is 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: successive for her. The judge did not reduce the bill. 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Sanchez is accused of killing her fourteen year old sister Carter. 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Documents say Sanchez cursed off the officers, spit at them, 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: kicked an empty in the face. The public defender said 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: his client was calling for help when the camera wasn't rolling. 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: She's on the phone with nine on one when she's 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: trying to flag down people on the road who are 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: not stopping for her. I killed my sister, but I 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: don't care. I killed my sister, but I don't effing care. 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Those are the words of a young woman now suspected 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: of live streaming repeat live streaming as it happened. The 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: horrific moment, she crashes her car, leaving her fourteen year 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: old little sister dead. The sister flies through the back 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: window lands out in a field. I killed my sister 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: and I don't effing care. And that's just the tip 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: of the iceberg. I don't go on. My sister is 25 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: effing dying. Look, I effing loved my sister to death, 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: but I don't give an f man. If I go 27 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: to effing jail for life, you already know why, And 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: then adjusting the camera so it shows her motionless sister 29 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: bleeding from the head. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Oh yes, don't you 31 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: know it? Then she was in court crying because her 32 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: bail was not reduced with me special guests from daily 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: mail dot Com Shawn Walsh and renowned psychologists out of 34 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: New York Karen Stark. First to Sean Walsh, she lives 35 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: shamed it to what Instagram? That's right, Nancy to Instagram. 36 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: As you know, no one should be live streaming or 37 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: using their phones while they're driving. But in this case 38 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: that Dulia Sanchez had her phone up, was dancing around, 39 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: her hands were off the steering wheel was drunk. She 40 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: was drunk drunk when suddenly she overcorrects, loses control, the 41 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: car flips and her sister and her sister's girlfriend are 42 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: thrown from the car, with her sister being killed. Instantly, horrible, 43 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: horrible visuals have emerged from the scene and they show 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: fourteen year old Jacqueline's body strowne. They're on the floor, 45 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: the other girl in the car waving her hand for 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: help while Abdulia closes in for her close up on camera. 47 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: The sisters dying. The other little girl is waving her 48 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: friend girl is waving for help, and instead of calling one, 49 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: instead of doing any CPR anything, she turns to her 50 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: camera and starts live streaming on Instagram. What does that 51 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: mean to live stream on Instagram? Shaun Walt films on 52 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: your social media account, especially Instagram or Snapchat, you can 53 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: go live and when you go live, you are broadcasting 54 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: to all of your followers. Now, Delia Sanchez had over 55 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: seven thousand followers, so if you've got the alert saying 56 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: she was live, you would have watched this tragic accident unfold. 57 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: Now I've been like the hundreds of thousands of other 58 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: people who have now watched this video online and what 59 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: you saw on there was horrific and chilling because as 60 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: she's out of the car, she's looking at her sister. 61 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: She's zooming in on her sister. She's trying to wake 62 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: her sister, and she's saying she's died. And she said, 63 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: like she's died, I don't care, Come on, wake up, 64 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: wake up, wake up. She's not waking up. And everyone 65 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: who was watching her social media account will have seen this, 66 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: and it's terrific. California Highway and Patrol says that do 67 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: you drive in the car it veers onto the right 68 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: shoulder of the road doing hundred in twenty about a 69 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty miles southeast of San Francisco, speeding, speeding. Now, 70 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: she was wearing a seatbelt, so she wasn't hurt. Not 71 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: true for the others. She was absolutely d u I 72 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: driving under the influence. I've taken a look look at her. 73 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: I've taken a look at the same thing her followers 74 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: on Facebook and Instagram have I see the shot of 75 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: her pulling a Kardashian with the pursed lips, holding what 76 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: looks to be a semi automatic weapon in her hand, 77 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: in her manicured hands, and then I see a picture 78 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: of her, still posting from the hospital bed, in a 79 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: neck brace and a breathing apparatus on looking in the camera, 80 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: clearly taking a selfie. Karen Stark with me, Karen Stark, 81 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: renowned psychologist out of New York, in the hospital bed. 82 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: She's taking selfies and posting it on Instagram. Karen, help me. 83 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: It's it's totally narcissistic Nancy. She has no feeling about 84 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: her sister or anyone else but herself, and she believes 85 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: that it's important for the world to see her, to 86 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: know who she is. She doesn't care that she takes 87 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: her hands off the steering wheel while she's driving. It's 88 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: it's all about, you know, look what I'm doing. Now, 89 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: see me. I'm singing, I look great. And when her 90 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: sister is actually dead, as you can tell, there's no 91 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: emotion whatsoever. She's saying, sweetie, wake up, but there's no 92 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: feeling and she's already defending, well, I killed her, and 93 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, I guess we'll all go. You know, I'll die, 94 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: I'll be in jail, no caring. She's saying, I'm not sorry, 95 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: I effing killed my sister and I'm not sorry, that's 96 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: what she said. And as her sister is dying, she's 97 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: videoing it like some ghoul sucking the life out of 98 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: her little sister who's just fourteen years old, and live 99 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: streaming it. People were so shock Sean Walsh, they couldn't 100 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: believe it. They recorded it because they couldn't believe it 101 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: was real. Is that true, Sean, Nancy? True? People thought 102 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: this was some sort of skit joke. They couldn't believe 103 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: it what they were seeing live on their social media 104 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: account was actually happening. Now, since it was initially broadcast live, 105 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: it's now been watched over seven hundred thousand times by 106 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: people right around the world who can't believe this actually happened. 107 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: You know what's amazing to me is that it was 108 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: so shocking that people actually recorded it. They couldn't believe 109 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: it was real because you just don't see someone like that. 110 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: You don't see somebody who has absolutely no empathy. That's 111 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: part of why they had this disbelief that this could 112 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: actually happen. What were you saying, Sean, It's just chilling, Nancy. 113 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: When you look at this video, you're shocked by the 114 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: lack of emotion that this girl has you would expect 115 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: if you killed your siblings would be beyond distraught. But 116 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: it's so emotionless. It looks like something out of the 117 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: Blair Witch Project. What do you mean by that? Well, 118 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: if the movie Blair Witch Project, the kids get lost 119 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: in the forest and they're like concerned and freaked out 120 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: and the camera is shaky and rocking around. And the 121 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: first thing I thought when I saw this was it 122 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: looks like a movie. It looks like a chilling, calculating 123 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: character that's in a movie that's killed someone and shows 124 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: no emotion. And that's what I thought of as soon 125 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: as I saw this video. I'm looking at the picture 126 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: that she sent from the hospital. I mean that that's 127 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: it's crazy that she's in the hospital. Did she know 128 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: at the time of that photo, Sean, was that her 129 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: sister was dead while she's taking selfies of herself in 130 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: the hospital bands trapped up to oxygen. I believe she did, 131 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: I mean, because she says on that video, I killed 132 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: my sister, but I don't care. And I think the 133 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: uploading of those selfies shows that, look, she really didn't care. 134 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: California Highway Patrol races to the scene and I'm looking 135 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: at it right now. The car rolled over a barbed 136 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: wire fence and onto a field. It's about a dred 137 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: and twenty miles, as I told, just southeast of San Francisco, 138 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: and the car is crushed and mangled. The car you 139 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: can tell it was in a rollover. Where were the 140 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: different people sitting? Um this, I believe just correctly that 141 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: they were both sitting in the back seat because they 142 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: both flew out the back window. They flew out the 143 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: back window. But now, wait a minute, wait a minute, 144 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: I thought, Now, the little girl that died, the fourteen 145 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: year old little sister, did she die in the car? 146 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what I'm trying to get at is, did 147 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: the defendant actually get out of the car and walk 148 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: over to where her sister was lying. The sister was 149 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: flown through the back window of the car as the 150 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: car as the car was rolling. She then got out 151 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: of the car and she was down by her sister's 152 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: body filming this video. That's what makes it so Yeah, 153 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: you're right. The little girl was thrown through the back 154 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: window of the car and she gets out. Dulia gets 155 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: out and walks to where her little sister is and 156 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: starts videoing. Okay, this is what I know. All of 157 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: that goes down. She goes to the hospital she knew 158 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: her sister was dead, and continues posting to Instagram. Karen start, 159 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: what what is that desire? What like? Is it goes 160 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: back to the old adage of a tree falls in 161 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: the forest and nobody hears it doesn't really happen. Is 162 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: it like, if you're not on Instagram or Facebook or Snapchat, 163 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: it really didn't happen. Is that the mentality? I think 164 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: she knows it happened, But it's more a mentality Nancy 165 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: of wanting everyone to know what's going on in her life. 166 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: For her, it's a story and it has it's not 167 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: um set in reality. It's a story that she's living 168 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: for the rest of the world so they can see 169 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: these things that are happening to her. There's no real 170 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: empathy or feelings attached to what she's doing. It could 171 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: be a movie and the footage has received nearly a 172 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: million views. Nearly a million views. What I'm trying to 173 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: figure out You're saying there was no empathy whatsoever. But 174 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: when she was in court she was crying and sobbing 175 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: because the judge refused to lower her bond. What do 176 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: we know about that? Seawan Watt. So she appears in 177 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: court and rather than mimicking how she appeared on video, 178 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: she shows extreme empathy. She's crying, she's begging for the 179 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: judge to reduce her bond from five hundred and sixty 180 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: thou dollars. She pleads not guilty to multiple charges of 181 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: gross vehicular manslaughter and d uy And this is a 182 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: on now that appears sad as she faces the reality 183 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: of up to thirteen years and eight months and stay 184 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:10,479 Speaker 1: prison if convicted for what she has done. Crying, sobbing, 185 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: you name it. Now, she's crying. At the time, all 186 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: she wanted to do was appear on Instagram. So what 187 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: is she charged with right now? Sean Walt. So she's 188 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,359 Speaker 1: charged with gross vehicular manslaughter and driving under the influence. 189 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: Her blood alcohol was a point one percent. Now for 190 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: those under twenty one, anything over point zero one percent 191 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: is illegal in California. And remember it's point zero eight 192 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: percent for adults. Now we also have to remember that 193 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: she has a previous conviction for reckless driving at the 194 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: age of fourteen. Let's go to the lines first to 195 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: Lou Hi, Lou, what's your question? Nancy First of all, 196 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for your show and all 197 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: that you do for the victims. I do have a question. 198 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: This has been very interesting to listen to, and my 199 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: question is how did the police find out about this video? Well, 200 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: you stay with me. Just one moment Sean was joining 201 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: us along with Karen Stark. Shaan was wash from daily 202 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: mail dot com. So all these people that the video 203 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: has now been viewed seven hundred thousand times and counting. 204 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: But how did police find out about it? Sean? People 205 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: told them. I mean they saw this on their Instagram 206 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: and they let people know that, they let the authorities know. 207 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's very important for people when you're 208 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: on these social media accounts and people will do anything 209 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: to be noticed these days. If you see something that 210 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: looks to be not normal or illegal, film it with 211 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: the phone it, take the evidence down and notify the authorities. 212 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: That way they can step in and do something. And 213 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: they were able to get to the same people thought 214 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: it was so bizarre, Lou that they actually contact police. 215 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Now this let me let me ask you a question, 216 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: Lou calling in Luke. Are you on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, 217 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: any of that. Yes, I am Nancy. I'm on Facebook 218 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: and also Instagram. So if you're like me, I see 219 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: crazy photos, I see crazy stories, and I always take 220 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: them with a box of sault. I don't know if 221 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: it's real or not, but these people see this girl 222 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: Abdulia video ing as her little sister, just fourteen dies, 223 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: instead of calling nine one one, instead of giving CPR, Lou, 224 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: she videos it live, streaming it to Instagram. Now, can 225 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: I ask you if you were on that jury and 226 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: you learned that, what would you think? The little girl 227 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: had flown through the back window and was lying. It's 228 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: not like she was even in the car. The driver 229 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: had to get out of the car, make her way 230 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: over two or and start videoing it. Life Well, to me, 231 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: it's like she doesn't even have a heart. Anybody that 232 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: would do that to their own sister instead of trying 233 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: to take appropriate emergency means, I just can't even imagine. 234 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: I can't either, And I wonder how that's going to 235 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: affect a jury. Well, you'll be happy to know, Lou. 236 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: She tried to get a bond reduced and she's still 237 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: sitting behind bars. And even though she smiled for the camera, uh, 238 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: including taking selfies of herself in the hospital, bed and 239 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: posting it. She was boohooing in court, really turned on 240 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: the water where it's to get a lower bond. The 241 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: judge didn't buy it. Luke, thank you for calling. I'm 242 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: gonna go straight out now to our next caller, Joe 243 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: in Florida. Joe, Hello, what's your question? It doesn't under 244 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: the law, of course, the emotional aspects here are not 245 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: checking into enough consideration in my opinion. In other words, 246 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: for her to do what she did, is this pickable? 247 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:06,239 Speaker 1: Is beneath a belief that someone could be so uh. 248 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. She's never going to get the death 249 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: penalty because Sean isn't she charged with what vehicular manslaughter? 250 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: That's not a death penalty charge. She unfortunately only faces 251 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: up to thirteen years and eight months and state prison 252 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: if she's convicted. And I wouldn't be surprised in this 253 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: case that the overwhelming evidence against her, that her attorneys 254 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: will instruct her to take a deal and will in 255 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: fact probably work with the d a's office to see 256 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: if the deal is available. Two counts a vehicular manslaughter 257 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: and four charges related to d u y driving under 258 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: the influence. But Joe in Florida go online. Go online 259 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: to Dailymail dot com or our site crime online dot com. 260 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: Check out the picture of her, not just the video 261 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: of her sister dying, but then in the hospital, she's 262 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: taking video of herself and posting it on Instagram thing 263 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: she's hero. She thinks that everyone will love her because 264 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: she's not afraid to post these things on the social 265 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: media as well. Sadly, I'm afraid you may be right 266 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are just tuning or are 267 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: logging on just to see the sister die, which is 268 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: some type of an odd, um odd mental fixation, Karen. 269 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: Start when you want to watch people die? What is that? Karen? 270 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: People are fascinated by Um, if you ever notice any 271 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: kind of accident or death, there's there's a something inside 272 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people that draws them to a scene 273 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 1: like that, and um, they get transfixed by watching this happen. 274 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: There's also an aspect of not believing that this could 275 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: possibly be real, just the shock of it. I want 276 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: to get to our calls Earnest in Alabama, High Earnest, 277 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: thank keep for calling. What is your question I can answer. 278 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: I was really trying to find out had there been 279 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: issues between the sisters before that the parents may or 280 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: may not have noticed. But this seems a bit of 281 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: extreme that it seems like unusual, something very unusual that 282 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: this to happen at this level, this late in the game. 283 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Earnest. Do you have children? Yes? 284 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: And do they get along? Let me guess they love 285 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: each other fifty of the time. That's what I always 286 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: say about the twins. People say do they get along? 287 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like, sure, they get along great of the time. 288 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean, let's throw that to Karen's stark psychologist. Karen, 289 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: siblings are going to fight and argue, they're not going 290 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: to get along part of the time. But still, isn't 291 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: that isn't there always that bond? Um? Most of the 292 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: time there is that bond, But you're talking about a 293 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: situation that's not our normal situation. Um there in this case, 294 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: whether there was a bond or there was no bond, 295 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: there's no feeling on the part of the driver. So 296 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, the only empathy that she could have is 297 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: for herself when she's crying in court, Sean, was there 298 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: some acrimony between them? Did they not get along? They 299 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: seem to have been very close. That's a surprising thing. 300 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean that the girl's father has come out and 301 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: said that the family wants her to come home. It 302 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: just appears to be a close family, but she seems 303 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: to have had some issues, and I think that this 304 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: is very, very sad. She's killed her sister. She showed 305 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: no remorse, and the only remorse that she's showing now 306 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: is the fact that she faces a long time in jail. 307 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: And what did you say her prior was her prior offense, Sean, 308 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: She has a prior conviction for reckless driving at the 309 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: age of fourteen mm hm. As the court system winds 310 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: through the process of this case, I know one a 311 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: fourteen year old little girl is dead and her sister 312 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: hung over her like a death eater, videoing her as 313 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: the life drained from her. And now all crime stories. 314 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: Federal authorities are charging a Utah man in the murder 315 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: of his wife aboard a cruise ship off the coast 316 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: of southeast Alaska. The couple were apparently celebrating their anniversary. 317 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: Friends tell us he and Christie were high school sweethearts 318 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: and had been married for more than twenty years. She 319 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: was found dead in a bloody cabin on the ship 320 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: near Juno, Alaska. Christie died from a wound to her head. 321 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: Witnesses are painting a grizzly scene or terrible screaming. I mean, 322 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: just you knew it wasn't normal. When asked what happened, 323 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: Men's and Arras replied, she would not stop laughing at me. 324 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: You know, I just took my children on a Disney 325 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: cruise and we had the most awesome time ever ever. 326 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: We did those little mystery searches where you trying to 327 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: find which cartoon character made off with the balloons, you know, 328 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: when you run all over the ship finding clues. We 329 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: ate all kind of fancy food at dinner time. After dinner, 330 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: we go get in a pool and watch a Disney 331 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: show on a giant screen. Would stay out there till 332 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: ten o'clock. That's living pretty high on the hog for us. 333 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: I mean, we had so much fun. Not so for 334 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: a beautiful woman. Christie, just thirty nine years old. She's 335 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: pronounced dead. Not on a Disney cruise. She was pronounced 336 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: dead on board the Emerald Princess Cruise Ship. The Emerald 337 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: Princess Cruise Ship. Now I've never been on the Emerald 338 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: Princess Cruise Ship, but it on the outside, it looks beautiful. 339 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: The cruise ship was was diverted to Juno. This was 340 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: an Alaskan cruise. I've never been on one, but I've 341 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: heard they're absolutely incredible. You see, even in the summertime, 342 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: you go by icebergs, huge icebergs sticking out of the water. 343 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: You see things you've never seen before. You go on 344 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: day trips where you can get on a dog sled, 345 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: or you can get on a railroad, a little railroad 346 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: trip that takes you way into the back country. So 347 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: this woman goes on this cruise is fantastic, once in 348 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: a lifetime event. And I'm looking at her photo right 349 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: now with me is Karen Stark, psychologist out of New York, 350 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: and Shawn Waltz from dailymail dot Com. I'm looking at 351 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: the photo of her, and she she's one of those 352 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: people that look perfect. She's got the beautiful, long, kind 353 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: of auburn hair, she's got a smile, every tooth is perfect. 354 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: She's stunning, and it seemed like she had the perfect life. 355 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: She had children, she had what looked to be a 356 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: storybook marriage, and she goes on this awesome cruise with 357 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: her husband, her loving husband, but then she ends up dead. 358 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: The thirty nine year old woman, Mom Christie, found dead 359 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: on the Emerald Princess Cruise. Ship. Security rushes to the 360 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: cabin after one of their children. I didn't realize that 361 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: children were there. One of her own children run out 362 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: of the cabin screaming for help. And this is just 363 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: at nine o'clock, just nine o'clock in the evening. The 364 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: evening was young. This family from Utah was part of 365 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: a larger group celebrating an anniversary on a week long cruise. 366 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, that Tuesday night, the ship 367 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: had a murder mystery theme for guests where you you know, 368 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: trying to figure out at dinner, uh, who's the killer? 369 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: And staff on the ship actually thought the murder scene 370 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: of this young mom Christie was part of the murder 371 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: theme evening. They thought the room the Man's Nearest Room 372 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: had been staged to go along with a murder mystery 373 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: night theme like um on our ship. And this is 374 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: not a good comparison, but sean on our Art Disney 375 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: cruise one night was there's the new Doctor Strange. One 376 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: day Doctor Strange came. The children went and saw and 377 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: I went. Of course, I loved it more than they did. 378 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: Doctor Strange did his thing, okay, and it was Doctor Strange. 379 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: Then one night it was character night and the characters 380 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: were walking all over the ship. And then one night 381 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: it was a pirate night and we all dressed up 382 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: like pirates. I just had on a T shirt that 383 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: had a pirate on the front, because you know, mommy 384 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: is not going to get in some sexy pirate outfit. 385 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: That is not happening, okay, and uh yeah, so but 386 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: I had the children decked out, you know that's right, 387 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: And it was all pirate night. So one night on 388 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: this Alaska cruise they have Murder Mystery Night and it 389 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: was the theme and everybody was into it, trying to 390 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: figure out the mystery, looking all over the ship for 391 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: clues on the Emerald Princess and they actually come on 392 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: Christie's body and they think it's part of Murder Mystery Night. 393 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: Did you know that part, Sean or do I? Nancy Grace, 394 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: who knows nothing, tell you the crap reporter for daily 395 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: mail dot Com that people actually thought it was staged. 396 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: Remember that television show Murder. She wrote, don't even start 397 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: with me start don't you talk about Jessica Fletcher. Uh, 398 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: don't do it, Jessica Fletcher, is I have Sean. I 399 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: can't believe you don't remember this on my wall in 400 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: my home a picture with me at Jessica Fletcher as 401 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: I like to refer to Angel Landsburg because a surprized possession. 402 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: I have practically no pictures out except for the twins, 403 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: except of me and Jessica Fletcher, who inspired me to 404 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: start the Healey Deane murder mysteries on Hallmark. Yes, I know, 405 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: Jessica Fletcher. What does she don't tell me? Jessica Fletcher 406 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: was on the cruise. But no, this sounds like something 407 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: ripped straight from murder. She wrote. Here these guests are 408 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: having a wonderful time on the Murder Mystery night, and 409 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden there's commotion from this room. 410 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: Uh the stamp on board the boat race in they 411 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: see a woman lying on the floor suffering from major 412 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: head laceration, and twenty minutes later she's pronounced dead. It's 413 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: her rendus, you know. Can you imagine? Also? You know 414 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: it does sound all straight out of her murder? She wrote, 415 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: Can you imagine Karen start the children having to run 416 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: out in the hall and call for help because mommy 417 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: is bleeding in the floor and realizing that this is 418 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: the real this is the real thing. And for children, 419 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: it's very confusing because they're not really developed enough to 420 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: understand what's happening. How could this be that they were 421 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: having a staged murder mystery and all of a sudden 422 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: their mother is actually bleeding and and dying. Obviously. At 423 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: nine o'clock that evening, the captain comes over a wowed speaker. 424 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: And I heard that too. Every evening throughout the day, 425 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: you'd hear them give messages about what's happening that night, 426 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: Really did the captain come on and speak, But that 427 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: evening at nine pm, everyone was alerted. The captain issues 428 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: a mess sage over the ship's intercom, urging security to 429 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: go to the ninth floor. Repeat, go to the ninth 430 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: floor where Christie and her family were staying, and once there, 431 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: security finds a bloody scene and Christie Manzini's body lying there. 432 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: According to police, the family is distraught, including the husband 433 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: repeatedly saying my life is over, My life is over. 434 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: Others on the cruise ship that were around their cabin 435 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: recall seeing a child sitting on an older woman's lap sobbing. 436 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: A little girl, a little girl sitting in a grandma 437 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: looking ladies lap, wrapped in a blanket, sobbing. According to 438 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: Katie you you then up comes a man, his jeans 439 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: so in blood. What do we know happen? Sean watsh Well, 440 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: it's very it's very disturbing, Nancy murder. Mystery nights going on, 441 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: and it's a commotion inside this cabin. This mother has 442 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: been struck across the head. She heads the floor, and 443 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: then the suspect takes the mother and tries to throw 444 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: her overboard. So there's a giant commotion. People come running 445 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: out of the room. The suspect is then restrained, and 446 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: then everyone is shocked when they find out who the 447 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: suspect is and what the relationship that person has with 448 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: the now deceased woman. Where does it stand right now? 449 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: What do we know? We know that sadly, this was 450 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: her husband, and he did this because he was very 451 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: unhappy that she had been laughing at him in front 452 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: of his children. So allegedly something went off inside his 453 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: mind and he struck her across the head. It's my understanding. 454 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: He said he he was angry because she made fun 455 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: of him. She laughed at him in front of the children. 456 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: What about that show? That's correct, Nancy, I mean, goodness 457 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: knows why this resulted in what it resulted in, but 458 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: that's what happened. And then there are witnesses who say 459 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: that he attempted to throw her body overboard. Wait a minute, 460 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: he tried to throw her body overboard? What? Director com 461 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: is reporting that, according to cruise ship staff, the father 462 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: of three had attempted to throw her body overboard. Now 463 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: this looks like your wholesome American family, two happy parents, 464 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: three children from St. George, Utah, enjoying the trip of 465 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: a lifetime. And this happens on Murder Mystery Night. I mean, Nancy, 466 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: you couldn't script this because she laughed at him in 467 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: front of the children. I mean, Karen Star, you're the shrink. 468 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: But I laugh at my husband in front of the 469 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: children every day about a hundred times, and he does 470 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: the same thing at me. And it's always warren it 471 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: on my part when he laughs at me because I've 472 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: done something completely crazy. But because you laugh at the 473 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: spouse in front of the children, he kills her. That's 474 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: hard to believe, Karen Stark, Well, it's hard to know 475 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: what goes on behind closed doors, so I'm sure that 476 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: this marriage was not the perfect marriage that it appears 477 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: to be. UM. I also heard that he himself tried 478 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: to jump overboard after um that they had to hold 479 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: him back and restrain him. Isn't that funny? Isn't that funny? 480 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: Odd that so often see killers tried to kill themselves 481 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: and it never works. They just managed to commit a homicide. 482 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: According to what we've learned on social media, she was 483 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: a married mother of three three little girls, and a 484 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: real estate agent at Sothoby's in St. George, Utah. She 485 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: volunteered heavily at the local schools, and she was a 486 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: tree designer every year at a big function called Jubilee 487 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: of Trees. She loves cheering on her daughters at soccer games. 488 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: She spends time with her whole family and extended family 489 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: as she was trying, according to her social profile, to 490 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: learn to play golf with her husband. And now we're 491 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: on the case. After sixty eight police reports, repeat sixty 492 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: eight police reports, a couple who adopted nine children have 493 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: finally been arrested. This couple adopts nine children with disabilities 494 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: from foster care, and on every child. They were getting 495 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: a cut, they were getting state funding for every child, 496 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: so they kept adopting and adopting and adopting. Sixty eight 497 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: called to police before anything happened. Sean Walt, start at 498 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: the beginning. What happened, Nancy, Well, this has allegedly been 499 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: going on since two thousand and eight. As you said, 500 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: there have been sixty eight calls to police, with them 501 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: filing only twenty police reports that John Bell and his 502 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: wife Joyce Bell, of an Kenny, Iowa, had been abusing 503 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: their nine adopted children. Karen start, their mentality of adopting 504 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: children out of foster care, disabled children, physically disabled, mentally disabled, 505 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: so they could get a paycheck, so they could get 506 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: a paycheck. And also, um the reason that they would 507 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: adopt children like that, people who have this kind of mentality, Nancy, 508 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: they adopt them so that they can take advantage of them. 509 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: If they're disabled, they're weak and their prey. One video 510 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: turned over to police shows the father, John Bell, and 511 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: his autistic son beating in the video, and he's beating 512 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: the sun in the living room earlier this month. The 513 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: autistic son is wailing, screaming as in a high pitched 514 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: scream as the father, John Bell restrains the boy and 515 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: repeatedly beats him with not just the back of his hand, 516 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: but with his fist. I will hit you in the 517 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: effing mouth, Dad threatens. It's just I'll kill you the 518 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: little boy, the autistic boy screams back, and then video 519 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: after video after video had been posted on Facebook. Sean Walsh. 520 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: They were posting pictures of them mistreating the children. That's correct, Nancy, 521 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: one of their daughters to into one year old Crystal. 522 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: This is an adopted daughter. She had been posting these 523 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: videos on Facebook showing the shocking abuse, and finally the 524 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: authorities stepped in. I mean finally, I say this after 525 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: sixty eight calls to them. They've stepped in and they've 526 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: arrested John Bell and Joyce Bell for what was going on. 527 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: But the videos are horrific. But other of their adopted 528 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: children who have since left the house have come out 529 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: and said that this was a horrible home to live 530 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: with and that they would pray to go to a 531 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: family that would love them and wouldn't treat them this way. 532 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: Reports layout allegations of beatings, physical sexual abuse, violent outbursts, 533 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: violent outbursts, and they go all the way back. I'm 534 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: looking at ten years, all the way back to August 535 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,959 Speaker 1: two thousand seven. Father yelling at the children at least 536 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: thirty minutes outside the house, claim these are neighbors because 537 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: he says the children, the disabled children, didn't clean the basement, 538 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: so he's got dragged them all out in the yard 539 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: and is screaming at them. Um. We have repeated calls 540 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand eight of children having to be transported 541 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: to the hospital. One of the girls runs away from 542 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: home and is hiding, doesn't want to go back home. 543 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 1: They make her go back home again. Run away from home. Uh, 544 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: and and the mom says the child is so awful 545 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: that the child should go to a shelter. That's how 546 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: much she cares about the child. They send the child 547 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: back to the home. The mom keeps calling saying the 548 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: children are out of control. And long story short is 549 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: the parents beating them. In two thousand nine, Protect America 550 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 1: notifies the police of an alarm sounding in the home. Uh. 551 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: There's calls for children in need of assistance. There are 552 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: calls from neighbors saying this little girl is being abused 553 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: by her parents. She's here and she doesn't want to 554 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: go back home. Different ones run away over and over 555 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 1: and over, and they get sent back to the home. 556 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: A person calls to say cause police and says she 557 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: hears the father screaming telling the children to get their 558 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: effing asses downstairs right now, and the children were just 559 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: staring out the windows like they need help. And the 560 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: caller tells police is a home for handicapped kids and 561 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: they're being treated horribly and they need a welfare check. 562 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: What went wrong? And I'm only in two thousand and ten, 563 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: Sean Walsh, and that the authorities don't even know what 564 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: went wrong. I mean, there wasn't one person making these allegations. 565 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: There were numerous people making these allegations. That some of 566 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: the children's birth parents even complained to the authorities, but 567 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: they believed that they were ignored because they've given up 568 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: their parental rights years ago, so they feel that they 569 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: weren't listened to. And they were like, look, we weren't 570 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: the best of parents when we had these children, but 571 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: horrific things are happening to our children now, and nothing 572 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: was done. It wasn't until their twenty one year old 573 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: daughter converted had a hidden camera and was filming what 574 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: was happening. And uploading it to her Facebook that authorities 575 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: had to act because there was proof that they could 576 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: see and that they could no longer ignore Joyce Bell. 577 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: This so called mother then reports one of the girls 578 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: has been molested. Um. Instead of addressing that, the mom 579 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: says it's the girl's fault and the girls should be 580 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: taken to a site ward M. Police find no evidence 581 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: of suicidal comments or anything that would justify putting the 582 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: little girl in a straight jacket and taking her to 583 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: a site ward So right there, here and start, it's 584 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: violating everything I know about how you treat a sex 585 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,959 Speaker 1: attack victim. It's so hard to understand how the authorities 586 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: were ignoring it for so many years. Nancy, and I 587 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: think that that's why these things can possibly happen and reoccur. 588 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: Here are the reports people are calling it in. The 589 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: children themselves are saying that there's a problem and no 590 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: one is doing anything at all to help them. And 591 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: you know it's bad enough when children are being mistreated, 592 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,959 Speaker 1: but disabled children here and start, I mean, all they've 593 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: known their whole life is being kicked out by their 594 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: own parents, going and then going to this place as 595 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: hell whole and it goes on for all these years 596 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: and people are calling police, but nothing happens. Karen. The 597 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: effect of this abuse on disabled children, they don't even 598 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: know what's going on, and when they do, they have 599 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: no ability to do anything about it to stop it. 600 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: And what I was saying to you, Nancy, and that's 601 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: so important to understand, and is that these children are 602 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: purposely picked because they can't defend themselves, because you can 603 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: abuse them sexually and physically, and they can't do anything. 604 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: They're just easy prey. Then we have one of the 605 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: little girls goes in the basement and tries to commit 606 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: suicide by cutting herself with glass. That is such a 607 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: cry for help. Sean Walsh, Nancy, the sad thing about 608 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: this case is that there were so many cries for 609 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: help and nothing was done. And it's taken this long 610 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: for these people to be arrested and thrown behind bars. 611 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,959 Speaker 1: But something should have been done a long time ago. 612 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: These allegations should have been looked into a long long 613 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: time ago. I mean, Nancy, they were allowed to adopt 614 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: nine children. Where were the checks and balances when this happened? 615 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: And Karen, start when you have a child trying to 616 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: commit suicide, going off all alone in the basement to 617 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: commit suicide with cut glass. That is such a cry 618 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: for help, Karen start and to cry, you know, to 619 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: say that the way that they are living isn't worth 620 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: going on, that it's that bad that they see no 621 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: other alternative but to kill themselves. And I think that 622 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: some of them lived in the basement, if I'm correct, 623 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: It was that terrible. In two thousand fourteen, more domestic 624 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: assault involving Joyce Bell beating a daughter two. Then there 625 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: are nine one one calls that mid call, they hang up, 626 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, it's the children trying to call one. Unknown 627 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: people just going by. In two thousand fifteen say they 628 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: hear male and female screaming, screaming from inside the house. Um. 629 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: Then there Crystal Bell, one of the daughters, calls to 630 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: say there's a blood on her wall and she's being beaten, 631 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: that her parents have gained up on her, and that 632 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: there are guns in the home. It just goes on 633 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: and on and on. So what finally results in them 634 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: getting arrested. Sean Waltz from dailymail dot com Crystal's a 635 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: hero here, Nancy. She recorded the abuse on her phone 636 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: and she was uploading it to Facebook, and her Facebook 637 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: friends notified the authorities and told them that this is 638 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: going on. This has been reported numerous times, but there 639 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,439 Speaker 1: are videos and proof of this abuse. And that's when 640 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: the authorities finally stepped in and did something after sixty 641 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: eight times. Now what charges are they looking at, Sean, 642 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: They're looking at charges of felony child endangerment causing bodily injury? What? 643 00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: What police and what law enforcement agency arm was in 644 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: charge of this? Who was getting all these nine on 645 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: one cars and leaving all these handicapped children in this 646 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: hell hole? What up? Well? Fingers are being pointed everywhere. 647 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: There are many different agencies involved here because the allegations 648 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: were being reported to different agencies and different groups, and 649 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: so the community and IOWA asking for answers, and they're 650 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: saying that this isn't good enough, and that when allegations 651 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 1: are made by people who are mandatory reporters, they should 652 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 1: be thoroughly investigated straight away to prevent this from happening. 653 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean, nine adopted children, Nancy, it's extraordinary. I know 654 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: it's how do you say? The town A M K 655 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: and Kenny? And I know that as Pork County p O. 656 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: L K. I know this some heads should roll, and 657 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: I can only pray the children are in decent homes now, 658 00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: Sean waltsh Karen Stark, thank you so much, Nancy Grace Stories, 659 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend, H.