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Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Thanks man, Man, Man, I've been chilling, Man, chilling.

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Speaker 1: So a guy that plays eighteen years in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: obviously you used to having a schedule, and if I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaking, this probably your first year out. So what

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Speaker 1: does an eighteen year veteran do now to fill the

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Speaker 1: time that he normally would be doing playing basketball?

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Speaker 5: Man, that's crazy because as I was getting closer and

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Speaker 5: closer and closer to the end of my career, That's

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Speaker 5: what my friends that have retired, you know, years prior

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Speaker 5: to me, was telling me, like, you get a lot

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Speaker 5: of free time. So I had kind a guide to

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Speaker 5: learn how to, you know, manage my time, so spending

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Speaker 2: With my children.

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Speaker 5: I was able to do that, and I have a

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Speaker 5: couple of other projects that I was able to invest

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Speaker 5: my time into, so, you know, going back and forth

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Speaker 5: to the Islands and putting. The majority of my time

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Speaker 5: in with my three children has been where most of

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Speaker 5: my time is going to Do you miss it?

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Speaker 5: Really, I don't really miss it because you know, every

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Speaker 1: Because like, as you started to get older, your body

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Speaker 2: You started to get injured.

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Speaker 1: And when you start to get injured, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: sum it up because you spend more time rehabbing than

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Speaker 2: Are you're doing all of this? Did that start to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I had a bone spur in my

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Speaker 5: My mind is telling me I can do certain things,

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Speaker 2: That's that's when I knew.

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Speaker 5: It was like, all right, you know it's time to

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Speaker 1: You mentioned you had a son, and he's far and

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Speaker 1: I see where he's following in your footsteps.

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Speaker 5: He's six eight right now, wow, so we round the

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Speaker 5: same height? And how good he is?

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Speaker 5: Unbelievable talent. He's ultra ultra ultra talented. He bouncey, He's

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Speaker 5: he gets in the weight room a little bit more.

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Speaker 5: He's still young, really young. He's still only fifteen years old.

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Speaker 5: So you know he's he's learning how to work on

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Speaker 2: To do when you know you're pursuing a dream.

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Speaker 1: When when you were playing, how locked in was he

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Speaker 1: think that, like, you know what you might want to

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Speaker 1: follow what dad does or do you was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him choose whatever he wants to do.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna support it either way. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, that's never been my thing to push anybody to

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Speaker 2: You gotta want to do that on your own, right.

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Speaker 5: So I kind of just allow him to, you know,

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Speaker 5: me and was like, Yo, Dad, this is serious. You know,

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Speaker 5: to have to give up to achieve the things that

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Speaker 1: So you and I were talking early off camera and

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Speaker 1: you said, like, where Sofi was. That's where you used

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Speaker 1: to play football. So obviously you play football, you played basketball.

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Speaker 1: Has he done anything other than play basketball?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he played football at the same part. Okay, wow, yeah,

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Speaker 5: he played baseball.

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Speaker 1: He's he's a really good athlete, smart, kid, he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He could do a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 1: So you one of these days that believe that a

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Speaker 1: they do is play football, All they do is play basketball,

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Speaker 1: all they do is play baseball. You believe it playing

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Speaker 1: multiple sports make the kid more well rounded.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely does. I was a that played multiple sports.

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Speaker 5: My favorite sport coming up was football. You know, I

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Speaker 5: just love the contact. Okay, I like to hear it.

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Speaker 5: I like to score touchdowns and all that stuff. But

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Speaker 5: I ended up outgrowing it. I got too tall, I thought.

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Speaker 1: And my frame you didn't get you. My frame didn't

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Speaker 2: So, you know, more sports was good.

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Speaker 1: You said, he's fifteen six eight, about your same hight.

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Speaker 1: A game of one on one we played to a level.

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Speaker 1: Who win it?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna kick his eye.

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Speaker 1: You can't let it beat your trail? No, hell no,

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Speaker 1: that's out. So at fifteen, let's go back. You at fifteen,

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Speaker 1: your son at fifteen, who's better at this age?

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Speaker 2: He has more skill for sure?

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Speaker 1: Right because he.

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Speaker 2: Had someone teaching him as opposed to you.

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Speaker 5: I just I just think as time goes on, you

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Speaker 5: You have to actually be a dog, and I feel

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Speaker 1: So because you are three and D guy, you a

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Speaker 1: for your defensive prowess. So how what are you trying

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Speaker 1: to instill your son Because a lot of these kids

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Speaker 1: I see now they focusing on the offensive end because

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Speaker 1: you just can't. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's he's a competitor on his own. You know,

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Speaker 5: It's not even something that you know, I got to

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Speaker 1: You said, your son is you know, we talked about evolution.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest difference that you see with kids in

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Speaker 5: Again there is so the area is more social, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yes, so like people taking it and not actually talking right.

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Speaker 5: So you missed that kind of you know connection connection

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Speaker 5: going outside and playing with the hommies all day, riding

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Speaker 5: They're not really getting that. You know, we're driving them everywhere.

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Speaker 5: They in the gym, they got trainers, you know they're doing.

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Speaker 5: It's more like a business than it was just you know,

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Speaker 2: And that's the biggest difference.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking looking at you and your son played against

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Speaker 1: Lebron's son Bronnie Gilbert Areena son master p son. You

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Speaker 1: were an ex professional athlete, what what how do you

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Speaker 1: how do you tell your son how to approach it

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Speaker 1: when he's playing against other celebrity kid.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's a difference, man. You treat everybody

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Speaker 5: but on the court, it's no friends.

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Speaker 1: How how strange is it to see your son playing

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Speaker 5: And that's the beauty about sports, and like you know,

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Speaker 1: So what type of parent are you? Are you kind

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Speaker 5: The type of dad that I am is the only

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Speaker 2: I'm not on that.

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Speaker 5: So, like everything that I try to do is I

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Speaker 5: So it's not going to be like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: That's that's kind of how can I say this? He's young,

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Speaker 1: How receptive is he too, you're coaching because a lot

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Speaker 2: I was like, all right, dadd you was right.

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Speaker 2: A New York basketball.

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Speaker 5: Who I got? Yeah, I'm homegrown, bro. I'm always gonna

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Speaker 1: I don't know I'm looking at. I'm looking at Okay, Kareem,

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Speaker 1: Figure it out. Does someone need to come up the bench?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Who's going to sacrifice? And you know, well, how hard

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Speaker 5: For ten games? To Russ have the ball? Does why

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Speaker 5: That's that's kind of like I guess as a team,

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Speaker 1: He doesn't strike me, and I could be wrong. Like

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Speaker 1: You played against him for decade?

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Speaker 2: Who is like that? Let me see.

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Speaker 1: I'm just happy happy you not on the team having

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So when you heard Harden says, I'm not a system player,

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Speaker 1: I'm the system.

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Speaker 2: I'm a system.

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Speaker 1: Considering that you're not going to be the James Harden

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's up to them, to them players.

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Speaker 5: If he's coming in with that mentality yourself, for them

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Speaker 2: Me change it.

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Speaker 5: And if that's, you know, the stance he's gonna take,

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Speaker 5: it's up for that team to figure out how they're

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Speaker 1: You know what, you're the perfect person that I got

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Speaker 2: What's James Harden like James?

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Speaker 5: What I guess what people don't know is James will

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Speaker 2: Like nobody should give a fuck about that.

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Speaker 1: You cool with that? So you cool if he like

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Speaker 1: But because they put everything on social media, he and

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Speaker 1: Is that conducive for winning a championship? Because at the

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Speaker 1: He's the top seventy five player where you want to

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Speaker 1: So but he the top. Whatever you want to say,

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Speaker 1: The only thing left is a championship? Can you win?

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Speaker 1: Should he?

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Speaker 1: You know what, guys, I done got this party and

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Speaker 1: Let me go and get this championship. Let me focus

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Speaker 2: What's it worth to you? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: and trying to change a player's game and a ninth

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00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 5: inning that's not gonna help nobody right right. So you know,

441
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Speaker 5: however he decides to live his life went if it

442
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 5: comes a time where he feels like he wants to

443
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,239
Speaker 5: make a change, that's on him. And like everybody's going

444
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 5: to have an opinion. So the idea for us as athletes,

445
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 5: Fuck everybody else's opinion on what I got to do.

446
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 5: As long as I'm doing what I need to do

447
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 5: and helping myself or helping my team doing the things

448
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 5: that I've been doing. I can't really listen to what

449
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 5: anybody else have to say. The peanut gallery is always

450
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Speaker 5: going to be that.

451
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Speaker 1: How difficult is it for a player to change his

452
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: off court behavior when he's had success doing it that way?

453
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: Basically is in our.

454
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Speaker 5: Career, it's gonna be tough as hard as you got

455
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Speaker 5: to get humbled in a way, you know, And a

456
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Speaker 5: lot of the times when people stumble across things that

457
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 5: humble them, they start to look for ways to change

458
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Speaker 5: and to fix things.

459
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Speaker 2: What I mean. He goes to Houston.

460
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Speaker 1: He had individual success and he had some great players.

461
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Speaker 1: He had Chris Paul, he had Dawhight, Howard had Okay.

462
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: It didn't work there. Well, I want out whatever reason,

463
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Speaker 1: I don't know the reason, but he wanted out. He

464
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: goes to Brooklyn, he has kd he has Kyrie. It

465
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Speaker 1: doesn't work for whatever reason. I don't know the reasons.

466
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Speaker 1: He goes to Philly. He has arguably this, I think

467
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Speaker 1: Yo Kich is the best player in basketball, let alone big.

468
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Speaker 2: I think he's the best player.

469
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Speaker 5: He probably he Jokish is one of the best. But

470
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Speaker 5: I feel like right now, Anthony Edwards is the best

471
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Speaker 5: player right now, yeah, Anthony team.

472
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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards is a fucking dog. He had been played

473
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Speaker 2: on the Timberwood.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

475
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Speaker 5: I felt like he's the best player in the league

476
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Speaker 5: right now. He's my favorite player in the league right now.

477
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 5: How about that?

478
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Speaker 1: Why? Why did it?

479
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Speaker 2: Why did it work?

480
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Speaker 1: Get those places for James? Think about what Kd's a

481
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Speaker 1: tops as an all seventy five player. Chris Paul is

482
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Speaker 1: All seventy five player. I think I believe for me personally,

483
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Speaker 1: I think the White Howich have been on the seventy

484
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Speaker 1: fifth adversary team. Why didn't it work?

485
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Speaker 5: I mean, it don't work for everybody all the time.

486
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Speaker 5: A lot of people don't win. And the team that

487
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: we had in Houston was a really good fucking team.

488
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 5: We just ran into the best team of the decade

489
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Speaker 5: at the time. You know, So you had him down

490
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 5: three to two trap, Yeah, and then one of the

491
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 5: top seventy five players first ballot Hall of famers got hurt, right,

492
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Speaker 5: you know? And you know it we I don't know

493
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 5: shit on the money.

494
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Speaker 1: There was a situation when when Chris Paul and James

495
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Speaker 1: Hardened were in Houston, there was a timeout and Chris

496
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Speaker 1: was trying I guess Chris was trying to tell him something.

497
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Speaker 2: And James Harden slapped his hand.

498
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Speaker 1: You were in those so what's going through your mind

499
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Speaker 1: when you.

500
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Speaker 2: See that happen? What's going on? Let me see, I

501
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: got to think back to the play When was that?

502
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Speaker 2: Do you know? I wasn't in the playoffs?

503
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Speaker 5: Okay, so probably in a playoff situation, Chris is a

504
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Speaker 5: communicator through all things. James isn't much of a communicator.

505
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 5: So I think with Chris being more of a communicator

506
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 5: and James more of a al right, I get it,

507
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 5: you know, let's move on.

508
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Speaker 2: I think.

509
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Speaker 5: In a situation like that, it's just two different of

510
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 5: opinions on how shit should go.

511
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Speaker 2: How is your interactions with Darrylmurray.

512
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Speaker 5: Darryl uh Darryl is, I guess a businessman. You know,

513
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Speaker 5: he's not a bad dude, He's just, you know, he

514
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 5: is a businessman and he gonna do what's best for

515
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 5: the business at all times.

516
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Speaker 1: Because, if you think about it, he gave James Harden

517
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Speaker 1: the max when I'm not so sure a lot of

518
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: other teams would have been willing to give a sixth

519
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Speaker 1: man the max and gave up, you know, gave up

520
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Speaker 1: you know, compensation to get Hi.

521
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Speaker 5: I don't think he got the max when he when

522
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Speaker 5: they when they got him, Well, he got the max

523
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Speaker 5: for what he could get.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

525
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Speaker 1: And so now Darren Marris in Houston, Um, he built

526
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Speaker 1: everything around James. James is cooking, wins, the MVP, YadA, YadA, y'ada,

527
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: going the All Star, he's all the NBA. He's making

528
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Speaker 1: a name for himself. People's like said, he might be

529
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Speaker 1: a better scorer than Jordan, he might be a better

530
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: score scorer than Kobe. He goes to you know, Philly.

531
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Speaker 1: You know, he's like, I want him in Philly, and

532
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: they bring him to Philly. What happened? How did it sour?

533
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: And Darryl Murray in Arden?

534
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: Uh, that situation.

535
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Speaker 5: You know, I don't never really speak on other people's

536
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 5: situation like that, so I don't really know.

537
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: But what I do know is get in the max.

538
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: He earned that.

539
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 5: But however many times he got it, he earned that.

540
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 5: And I know for the time that he was the

541
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Speaker 5: MVP or scoring all the points he earned the league

542
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 5: and those teams he played for a ship ton of money.

543
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 5: And this is a business, right, So and as far

544
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 5: as like the business aspect, he checked that box off

545
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Speaker 5: when it comes to doing what he needed to do

546
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 5: us as competitors and athletes. The thing that he hasn't

547
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 5: done is winning championship. But every great player don't win

548
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 5: all the time, right, so we gotta kind of not really.

549
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 5: I mean, we can judge him on that, but is

550
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 5: it really really really fair to judge an individual on

551
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 5: if they gonna win a championship if it's a team sport.

552
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Speaker 1: Right, So, my thing to you, as you start to

553
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: get older, you realize that you have less time. Should

554
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: he have given given money back to Philly?

555
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Speaker 2: Fuck?

556
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Speaker 1: No, it's no such thing as giving money back, right, No,

557
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Speaker 1: because they're not when they take it from us, when

558
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: they finance, they don't give it back, right So see?

559
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: And I think that might be the crooks because you know, hey,

560
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: if you take less money, we'll be able to get

561
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Speaker 1: this player. But you taking money from all a millionaire,

562
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: but a billionaire, got it?

563
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 5: Not even that it's not his job to fix or

564
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: work through the salary caps. The general manager and that

565
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 5: franchise's job to figure out the best way to work

566
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 5: and construct that team through the through the salary cap.

567
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 5: And if you decide to give a player to Max

568
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 5: it's not his job to give money back. Now, ain't

569
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 5: no money?

570
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: Nah? Fuck. Now, let me ask you this. You've been

571
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: a part of culture.

572
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Speaker 1: We hear the term culture or the heat culture, the

573
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: Patriot way and this and the bad being a part

574
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: of a winning culture and a losing culture.

575
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Speaker 5: What's the biggest difference habits things that people are going

576
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: to accept. Your team holding you accountable, your teammates holding

577
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 5: you accountable, that's number one. If your teammates don't hold

578
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 5: you accountable, then you know you don't Really, you're gonna

579
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 5: you're gonna be a bad organization. If you don't have

580
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 5: no vets, you're gonna be a shitty organization.

581
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: So why teams so willing to get rid of vets?

582
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: Because I've heard a lot of people, not just basketball,

583
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: but in football also the older guy that's trying to

584
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of showing the younger guys how and how not

585
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: to do things. So why are teams enfranchise are so

586
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: willing to move wont from vets and have Oh we

587
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: got eight guys that's under the age of twenty.

588
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 5: Probably because they're cheaper. I mean, it's a business right

589
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, and your bottom line

590
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 5: is what's important. Now, this is just my thought process,

591
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 5: and it might not be you know what it is,

592
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 5: but I would think that's that's the reason.

593
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Speaker 1: Whose responsibility is it to create that culture? Is it

594
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: the star player? Is it the coach? Is it the

595
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: general manager? Is it the franchise? Whose responsibility is that?

596
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: I think the responsibility is the organizations, led through the coach,

597
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 5: through your vets. That's I think the peccing order that

598
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 5: should be in. But I definitely believe that the fact

599
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 5: that there's not a lot of vets in the league

600
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 5: anymore and throughout whatever all sports, I think that kind

601
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 5: of helps bad teams stay bad?

602
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: Right? How disciplined?

603
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: You know?

604
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: You hear that?

605
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: Now?

606
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't believe any successful per I don't believe you

607
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: can be successful what I do, in fact, which requires

608
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: you to do your very best with no one else's watching.

609
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: So how hard is it to be disciplined, whole people

610
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: accountable while still having fun?

611
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: Uh?

612
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 5: Being able to put everything in it in the right place, compartmentalize, Yeah,

613
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: you call it. Understand there's a time and a place

614
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 5: for everything. When you when you commit to something that's

615
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 5: first and foremost, you're gonna have fun.

616
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: Doing what you're doing. If you love what you're doing,

617
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun. Playing basketball should be fun because

618
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: that's what you wanted to do with your life exactly,

619
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Speaker 2: So everything else is extra.

620
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Speaker 1: You played with Kobe, Yeah, one of the most disciplined

621
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Speaker 1: mofos rest is soul, one of the most disciplined. The

622
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 1: most important thing was basketball. It was no bs. And

623
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: if you would be if you were go help Kobe

624
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: within no championship. If he saw you.

625
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: Bro it drove him crazy.

626
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, he probably wouldn't talk to you if he didn't

627
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 5: feel like he was on the path that he was on.

628
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 5: And you know, I understand that because like minded people

629
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: usually connect.

630
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: You know.

631
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: So did you understanding at the time or as you

632
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: moved away from it?

633
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: I understand I understood it before the time. You know,

634
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: I come from a winning program high school.

635
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 5: You know, my my friends, the people that I played

636
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 5: high school basketball, we held each other accountable, right and

637
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 5: through holding each other accountable, we all, you know, ended

638
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 5: up going to Division one. So I understood that from

639
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 5: a young age. How was Kobe able to build a

640
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 5: championship locker room?

641
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking You played with Harden, You played with

642
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, you played with Lebron, you played with Koche,

643
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: you played with a lot of guys. Does on that sad?

644
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: What's the biggest difference between Kobe and all the guys

645
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: that I named, because everybody would know. Okay, what's the

646
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: difference between Lebron and Kobe? So let's let's go with

647
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: just lebrony Coob. What was the biggest difference between them?

648
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: I think Kobe is more of I don't give a

649
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 5: fuck if you like it, if you like me, this

650
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 5: is how we're doing it. I think Brian kind of

651
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 5: is more conscious of, uh like, what's going on? You know,

652
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 5: He's more of you know, he's he's more like, he's

653
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 5: cooler with more people than Kobe was.

654
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: Kobe don't give a fuck if you like him or not.

655
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: Koba, he was just that close. Kobe, bloody Kobe come

656
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: in like, hey, y'all, we were working today. Y'all y'all,

657
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: that's I don't care. So when and everybody tells the

658
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: story like they lose a game, and Kobe like, man,

659
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: take my shoes up, y'all. Sorry, more folks don't need

660
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: to have my stuff phone.

661
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's I didn't I didn't experience that Kobe.

662
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 5: You know, our team wasn't like that team or the

663
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 5: teams that he had where he talked to them that way.

664
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: You know, we had a more betteran ball club because

665
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: it was you and Kobe. Andrew Biden was kind of

666
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: the young guy fish with Fish was still there.

667
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: When I was.

668
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 5: I was twenty two at the time, so I was

669
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 5: a younger player, right, But my mentality never was one

670
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 5: of a younger player. I always had to I'm gonna

671
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: I have to go get at a mentality. Yeah, how

672
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 5: to I'm I'm on the same thing, y'all. Ang, So

673
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 5: my mentality was a mentality was a bit different.

674
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: So how was it in practice? You you gotta guard

675
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, obviously you going against COVID. You know he

676
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: gonna bring it, and you know you got to bring

677
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: it because he gonna try to embarrass you and you

678
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: not trying to be embarrassed.

679
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 5: No, absolutely not. And I think that's how we start.

680
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: That's why our relationship was so what it was, because

681
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 5: I'm not I don't care.

682
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: Who you are. I don't giving a fuck about none

683
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 2: of that.

684
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 5: I'm gonna compete because I'm a competitor and I want

685
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: to beat you, just like how you want to beat me.

686
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: And I think he understood that.

687
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: How was it becoming his teammate because you you guys

688
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: competed each other for a number of years. He dropped

689
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: faulty on you, you rookie, my rookie year.

690
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 5: And you know what's crazy about Larry Brown had this

691
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 5: thing where every player that whatever city we go to,

692
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 5: he was gonna start you if you're in your home city, okay,

693
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 5: And he started me after probably sitting me like ten games.

694
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 5: So yeah, I wasn't ready for that one, right, Yeah,

695
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 5: but you know he did.

696
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: Didn't let you know about it. Who ain't Kobe?

697
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: Nah?

698
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 5: He never he No, he didn't really On the court,

699
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 5: he was he was fucking destroying me.

700
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

701
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: But but I'm saying, once you came to the Lakers,

702
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: he like, tre have you remember that forty piece out

703
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: of our door?

704
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 5: He dropped forty on so many people that he probably

705
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 5: didn't remember that.

706
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

707
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: His only thing was what are you going to do

708
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: to help us win?

709
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: Were you on the Lakers when Kobe demanded the trade?

710
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Nah, that's before that, before your time.

711
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: How different do you think kobe legacy would have been

712
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: had he been traded because I think the thing that's

713
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: so fascinating is that he played twenty years with the

714
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: same team, right.

715
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 5: I think it would have been a little bit different,

716
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 5: just because I mean, I don't know where he demanded

717
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 5: a trade too.

718
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: Seemed like he wanted to go to Chicago.

719
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 5: Chicago. Yeah, I don't think it would have been the

720
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 5: same thing. It would have been different. He would have

721
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 5: been in the shadow of Mike, you know. And I

722
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: don't think he's a person who deserves a shadow, right,

723
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 5: you know, he's his own shadow.

724
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: How how demanding was Kobe to win a ring without shaking.

725
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 5: I think he he That's something that he drove him

726
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 5: fucking sleepless nights. I could probably say that he wanted

727
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 5: to prove that, you know, he was who he thought

728
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: he was.

729
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: Lamar Oldham said that had you played against the Celtics,

730
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: y'all would have beat him.

731
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: I would I would like to agree with him with that.

732
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: So when you lose comes, I mean, that was the

733
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: series and that you guys had that that big they

734
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: had that big league.

735
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 5: I think it was game game. We was up twenty two, yeah, yeah,

736
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 5: and then they came back.

737
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

738
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 5: And I remember the thing that I remember Ray Allen

739
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 5: just getting to the can and just reverse late. Oh

740
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 5: my god, that's that would that took all the momentum

741
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 5: out of uh Staples that the year at the time.

742
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 5: So from that point on, they just that that gave

743
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 5: them the utmost confidence, and you know they took the

744
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 5: series after that.

745
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: But how how is it? How does a young player

746
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: gain the respect of the veteran players in the locker room?

747
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 5: The work ethic, the things that you do every single

748
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 5: day to prepare for your opportunity. Like I broke my

749
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 5: foot earlier in that season, and Kobe would meet me

750
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 5: there at the gym. You know, he wouldn't beat me there.

751
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 5: He would meet me there, you know, going through my thing,

752
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 5: doing my ship. So like seeing that time after time

753
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 5: after time after time, you know, he understood that my

754
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: mission was the same as his mission. You know, I'm

755
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 5: a winner, just like how how he wants to or

756
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 5: how he is. And you know when you see things

757
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: or people that are like minded, you gravitate towards those things,

758
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 5: and you know we are like minded people.

759
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: But did he ever say anything vocally verbally about man?

760
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: Look, bro I got to get that championship.

761
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Man Shack don't get went to Miami and got him,

762
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: got him a chip and he done got one without me,

763
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: and he up there. You know, he don't write distrack

764
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: he talking. I mean, was he ever verbal about that?

765
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Or you can just tell the way he practiced the

766
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: way he moved that that was very very important.

767
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: Sometimes he would come in practice just aggravated, you know,

768
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 5: wouldn't say shit to nobody, and you can tell, like

769
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 5: in like his demeanor that those things was ticking him off,

770
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 5: you know, like he wanted it bad, right, he wanted

771
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 5: it real bad. And I'm not sure if it was

772
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 5: a competition between him and Shock. If it was, I

773
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 5: wouldn't have known, because he never like spoke bad about him,

774
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: about Big Fellow at all. But I know that his

775
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 5: drive was always to be the best. He probably you know,

776
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 5: that's why he wore number twenty four because he.

777
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: Wanted to be better than Yeah, you know so because

778
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: eight to twenty four really doesn't make any sense, no

779
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: sense at all. So yeah, yeah, so you had Phil Jackson.

780
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: What was playing for feel.

781
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 5: Like playing for PJ was dope because it wasn't we

782
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 5: had a system in place, right, so it wasn't really

783
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 5: like he had to come up with like crazy schemes

784
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: inside that system. He just had to be able to

785
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 5: manage personalities. And I think that's where he was the

786
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 5: best at managing personalities, getting like huge personalities to how

787
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 5: do you have to come together?

788
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: You know, Mike was Mike and is easy for Mike

789
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: because there's nobody else on that team that No, Scotty

790
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: is not thinking he's as good as Mike.

791
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: Jordan and Ron Harpin all about that Scotty, Mike.

792
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 5: Scotty was probably just as That's the and that's the

793
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 5: thing that like media, I feel like, don't like point

794
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 5: out you.

795
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: Think Scotty thought he was just as good as Mike.

796
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Not defensively, not defensively eight we know what, we know

797
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: what Scott he is.

798
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: But I'm talking score. Yeah, I don't think.

799
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 5: I don't think he I think he felt like his

800
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 5: impact was just as important.

801
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, why wouldn't it be.

802
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying that's not but I think, but

803
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: when I look at Shaq and Kobe, there are the

804
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: there are the point, there's there's the defining point that

805
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: Kobe said, I'm just as good as this Mobo bro y'all,

806
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: y'all say whatever you want to say, and I understand

807
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: what he is, but I'm just as good.

808
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 5: Nobody is as dominant as Shaq. Yeah, they changed rules

809
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 5: for Shaq. That's just what's what's real.

810
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: But when you look at I mean, how are you

811
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: with Kobe? Kobe got to the league. What about ninety six?

812
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: Ninety six? He got in ninety six, so you can

813
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: a level. So you saw the maturation. You saw the

814
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: guy the airball, the ball in Utah, and then you

815
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: see like, hold on, are you sure do they team?

816
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: Are you sure he might team? And then at twenty

817
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: twenty one, two twenty two, he's got a third championship.

818
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 5: His body changed, he locked in, come to a completely

819
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 5: different level. Yeah, he's he's after I guess to me,

820
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: he's the best player ever.

821
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah he is.

822
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: You got Kobe over Mike.

823
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 5: That's just my favorite plan, right, But I mean Mike

824
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 5: is in a completely different he's by himself, right, But

825
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 5: if I have to say Kobe is the best player ever.

826
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: When when you when you said you texted him Kobe

827
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: leg say you texted Kobe a photo of him shooting

828
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: over three people, and Kobe says, means so much? Should

829
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: have a thieve to put back if I missed.

830
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he meant that.

831
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 5: He lives, but he was dead as serious, right because again,

832
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 5: and like you said, those teams that he was on,

833
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: he probably felt that, you know, they they could get

834
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 5: the putbacks, right, He felt like his shot was the

835
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 5: best shot, even if it's.

836
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: On three or four people.

837
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, how I mean when you look at when

838
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: I look at the NBA now, it's like when Kobe came,

839
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: the Jordan shoe was the lig Now it seems to

840
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: be the Kobe shoe is the what the Jordan shoe

841
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: used to be to the NBA players today?

842
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, am I correcting that? I think on the court

843
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: for sure? Yeah, yeah, absolutely Kobe. Kobe's shoe is you know,

844
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 5: the shoe to wear. And I believe it's probably that

845
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 5: because I feel like Jordan limit the type of shoes

846
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 5: that he let the players wear. Really, if he let

847
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 5: players wear like the retros and all that, then you

848
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 5: know it might be a little bit even. But I

849
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 5: mean Kobe's Kobe shoes are more comfortable, yeah, because he.

850
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: Don't really let him wear the like the Jordan he were,

851
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: He let him wear the Jordan line. He don't let

852
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: them wear that old stuff, the stuff.

853
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: That he actually wore. Fact, that's what he tried to sell.

854
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: The Jordan line hen't really try to the rector to Nike.

855
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,160
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856
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,440
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857
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,480
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858
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859
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Speaker 1: price guaranteed. What was your second stint because now you

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Speaker 1: play with bron Ad Russ Mellow, Austin Reeves, Dwhite.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what was that second stint with the Lakers? Like?

882
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: And how different was it from the first step.

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Speaker 5: The first time I was there, I was, you know,

884
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: really young. I was twenty two, right, twenty three, and

885
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 5: I was I had something to prove, right like coming

886
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 5: in at my eighteenth season, you know, I've done all

887
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 5: the proven that I can prove, and my role was

888
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 5: completely different at that time. So you know, it's it's

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00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 5: two different situations. The organization has always been great, always

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00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 5: was great to me, but you know, the roles or

891
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 5: you know, what I was asked to do was completely

892
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 5: different at the two different times.

893
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Speaker 2: Why didn't it work?

894
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: You got all players that are like you know that

896
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 5: super vest, right, you know, super super vest and.

897
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Speaker 1: You're asking players to do things that are at the

898
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: right aide that they didn't do in their younger age.

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00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 5: You know, you can't ask Melo to go dive on

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00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 5: the floor for a look or a lose moll or

901
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: or you know, chase Anthony Edwards around for forty minutes, right,

902
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 5: you know, he just not You're not going to get

903
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 5: that out of him, you know what I mean. So

904
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 5: you're not going to ask the White to come off

905
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 5: the bench and only play fifteen minutes when in his

906
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 5: mind he feels like he can contribute more. That's that's

907
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 5: that's just a tough thing to do. You're not getting

908
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 5: bron off the court. That's never gonna happen. Right, So

909
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 5: when you have things like that and all those elements

910
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 5: in that forum, it's hard to win.

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00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: Hard to win. Russ. Russ's dream was to come back

912
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: and play for the purple and goal ok se Houston Washington.

913
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: That was great. The triple doubles, the first got to

914
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Speaker 1: average the triple double since Oscar he woned the MVP

915
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: and OKC. They had an okay, they had a decent

916
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: season in Houston. You know, ended up going to the bubble.

917
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Speaker 1: You know, it happened. He goes to Washington average two

918
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: more triple doubles. He'd killer he comes to La so

919
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: much fanfare. You got Braun, you got a D and Russ?

920
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Why didn't work with those guys? And the criticism was

921
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: it unfair? The amount of criticism that Russ received.

922
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Russ.

923
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 5: Every single night, he put his hard hat on and

924
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 5: he does everything that you ask of him. Every single

925
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 5: time they were asking him to go playing the uncor spot,

926
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Speaker 5: he was doing that ship So but.

927
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Speaker 2: That's not that's not that's not his game. Right.

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Speaker 5: So, like I said, when you put anybody in a

929
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Speaker 5: situation where you have Bron on the team, he's not

930
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: coming off the rock, right. So Russ is the point guard, right,

931
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Speaker 5: he plays, he needs.

932
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Speaker 1: The ball, So why did it? So why make that

933
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Speaker 1: move when you know Bron needs the ball? Russ knows

934
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: that he needs the ball, So there's only one. Yeah,

935
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Speaker 1: this ain't pool with a bunch of balls on the table.

936
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Speaker 1: Basketball you got what's see?

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Speaker 5: That's that's I'm glad I don't have that issue and

938
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Speaker 5: I don't got to worry about that. I don't constructing

939
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 5: the team or putting the team together. I never had

940
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 5: that problem.

941
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Speaker 1: If you're a general manager, would you like, would you

942
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: have put this team together? Uh?

943
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Speaker 2: It depends on why. If it's to sell tickets. Yeah, yeah, no,

944
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: you got to win ticket. You're the Laker.

945
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Speaker 1: You had to win a championship. You know what you

946
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: played for the purperly goal. You know what it's about.

947
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Speaker 1: And you know how those fans are, right, and the

948
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: fans don't care. The one things being in LA what

949
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Speaker 1: I've noticed, the fans don't give a damn what you

950
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Speaker 1: did at another organization. What you're gonna do for us? Yeah,

951
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Speaker 1: you want MVP over there, fine, you want championship over there? Fine?

952
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Speaker 1: Now what you're gonna do for the Purple got their

953
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Speaker 1: RUSS average when he was there? I think what eighteen

954
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Speaker 1: seven and seven?

955
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Speaker 2: What's wrong with that?

956
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Speaker 5: That's that's that's all star numbers anywhere else, Right, that's

957
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 5: not that people are people are getting the max off that, right,

958
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Speaker 5: So you can hit that critic.

959
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: That's not that's not what they expect. You know what

960
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: expectations are.

961
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't expect Brin the average twenty seven seven

962
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Speaker 5: and seven and RUSS average a triple double, triple double,

963
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Speaker 5: a average twenty six twelve. That's the Mellow average eighteen

964
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Speaker 5: seven and whatever. That's unrealistic. That's like playing in the

965
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Speaker 5: video game, right.

966
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Speaker 2: So somebody should have like been willing to like alter.

967
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 5: He and he was, and he did he and he

968
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 5: got all the criticism for it. You know, his game

969
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 5: hasn't changed throughout his career.

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Speaker 1: Lil Wayne recently said, and h, in order the Lakers

971
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Speaker 1: need to trade Anthony David, they win a championship. And

972
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Speaker 1: I guess AD must have heard it, got the braids out,

973
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Speaker 1: got the thro going, and he been like, boke up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, sometimes it takes for somebody like that or

976
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 5: people that you admire to like get in your shit

977
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 5: for you to understand that. You know, you got to

978
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 5: be as hungry as you need to be to for

979
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Speaker 5: it to work. Ad is a special, special, special player,

980
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 5: and sometimes he don't always show that he's special. Uh,

981
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 5: but this year he's been he been doing what he's

982
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 5: supposed to do so far.

983
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: I agree with you because sometimes I don't think Ad

984
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: realized just how special he is, because I remember what

985
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: he did to your's in the bubble. I remember what

986
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: he I've seen him go get fifty points against Joel Embiid.

987
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Speaker 1: I'm getting forty points to get Yiannis and then the

988
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Speaker 1: next night he come give me a leven and see

989
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: Ad got upset. When Laker fans and a lot of

990
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: analysts criticize it, they say, AD, how you give somebody

991
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: one rebound in the first half and no points in

992
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: the second half, and thank you? Supposed to escape criticism

993
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: under what planet? Under what scenario our player? It ain't

994
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Speaker 1: even the top seventy damn Now, if I think about it,

995
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: ain d was top seventy five, right, and you give

996
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: us one rebound in the first half and zero points

997
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: in the second half, and you're supposed to say, oh, man,

998
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: that's all right.

999
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 2: Man, it's not good enough.

1000
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 5: Unacceptable period, There's no questions about that. It's unacceptable. On

1001
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 5: no planet should AD ever have one rebound and then

1002
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 5: no points.

1003
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: It's just unacceptable.

1004
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: Lebron James is the oldest current oldest player in the NBA.

1005
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 5: I mean what I mean, trail you played? I mean

1006
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 5: one B Kobe one day, one B.

1007
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: How How was he able to play at this level

1008
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: for such a law. We've seen guys have peaks, but

1009
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: they peak, and this dude, the dude got here and

1010
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: staying there. I mean, he's like a plane. He got

1011
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: to a comfortable cruising altitude and stayed there.

1012
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 5: Fact, he's like I mean, I used to have this

1013
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 5: joke with my friends that he was like he was

1014
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 5: created in the lab.

1015
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: He not even He's not a real person. So that's how.

1016
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Speaker 1: I mean when you're like, obviously you guarded him a

1017
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: number of years. Yeah, what was your mindset? What are

1018
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: you trying to? What are you trying to do? How

1019
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: uncomfortable you trying to? What are you trying to take away?

1020
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 5: It's just him getting in the paint, him getting down here,

1021
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 5: because if he's in the paint, he's disrupting everything because

1022
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 5: he could finish at the red finish kick.

1023
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: He could pass.

1024
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 5: He's strong as a motherfucker, so he has all the tools.

1025
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: You know.

1026
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 5: The only thing that you can possibly say is that

1027
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 5: his jumper is streaky and you want to keep him

1028
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 5: out the paint.

1029
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: When you played against him in high school, in your

1030
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: wildest imagination, even though they had had him on Sports

1031
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: Illustrated and Chosen, what did you think he'd be this good?

1032
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1033
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 5: I thought he would be this good. I just didn't

1034
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 5: know how fast that was gonna happen. You could you

1035
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 5: just see it, like some players are just completely different.

1036
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 5: Like he's built like you, and he runs and he

1037
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 5: get up and down the court, like like TJ.

1038
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: Ford.

1039
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 2: Did you know TJ Ford is a small quick guard,

1040
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: So like you just see it.

1041
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: What's the what's the forget on the court, because I

1042
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: think in order for the game is what you do

1043
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: off the court. So from a practice standpoint, from a

1044
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: training standpoint, what are some of the similarities of some

1045
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: of the difference that you noticed that Kobe did and

1046
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: Bron did.

1047
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 5: It's the work for sure, Like the amount of work

1048
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 5: that they put in is the same. Bron will be

1049
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 5: doing work that you don't even know, like at home

1050
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 5: or like off site, and then he'll still be at

1051
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 5: the gym before everybody on the court. Then he'll be

1052
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 5: in the training room getting his body right. Then he'll

1053
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 5: be getting jumpers up after the game, then he'll i

1054
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 5: mean after practice, then he'll be back in the training

1055
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 5: room or in the right room stretching. So you know,

1056
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 5: the amount of work that he puts into the game

1057
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: is you know, pretty much similar. The person is just different.

1058
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 5: The different what's the biggest difference is Bron is more

1059
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 5: Bron is like more personable.

1060
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely more of a Kobe.

1061
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like.

1062
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: He's what age do you think Lebron's gonna retire because Harry,

1063
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: he's six weeks away from being thirty nine years of

1064
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: age and he's still playing at an unbelievable level.

1065
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: We saw him the other.

1066
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: Night, Go get thirty eight twelve and what six seven

1067
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: against Phoenix. If we've seen him have these monster games

1068
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: and he can still go off at any moment, at

1069
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: what age do you think that it starts to noticeably dissipate.

1070
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he's still it. I don't think he's

1071
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: as athletic. I think he could do some of the things,

1072
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: just not for as long a time appeared as he

1073
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: can do it. But what age do you think, like

1074
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: forty one, forty two?

1075
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 5: I think he could do it for as long as

1076
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 5: he wanted to do it, And the way he takes

1077
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 5: care of his body and the mentality that he has,

1078
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 5: he probably could play till he's probably forty five if

1079
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 5: you want to.

1080
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, real well, if he played forty five, the record

1081
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: that gonna never be broken.

1082
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: It won't.

1083
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think the things that he's

1084
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 5: done is nobody gonna catch that. I don't think nobody's

1085
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 5: gonna catch the points that he's gonna score. Wow, how

1086
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 5: long did it take for him to break? How long

1087
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 5: did Kareem record? Like Kareem had the record almost forty years.

1088
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 5: Kareem broke the record in Vegas because back then, you know,

1089
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 5: they played, I mean, they were trying to grow the league.

1090
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: And so he broke it against.

1091
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: Utah if I'm not mistaken at Thomas and Mack in

1092
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: eighty four. Lebron broke it in what March of March,

1093
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: March or April of twenty three, So almost forty years.

1094
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 5: And then it's still going. Yeah, he's still playing and

1095
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 5: he's still scoring a gang of price and nobody gonna

1096
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 5: catch that.

1097
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: You played. And the funny thing is, not only did

1098
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: you know you guys were, you know, played against each

1099
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: other in the NBA, but you played against each other

1100
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: in high school. And your uncle said that Lebron was overrated,

1101
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: and I guess somebody told it. I don't know about that.

1102
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: He just gave you fifty two for no reason. I

1103
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: don't know about that. I mean, he's a fucking good player, Tram.

1104
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: You can't let him get a fifty piece on you.

1105
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't let him.

1106
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: I won't let anybody do that.

1107
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: That's what he did.

1108
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 5: You know he was that special, So you know you

1109
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 5: can't take nothing away from what he did.

1110
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: So before you I mean, obviously it's that there's I mean,

1111
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: there's starting to be social media, but it's not like.

1112
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: It is now.

1113
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: You heard about it, right.

1114
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 2: And what are you thinking?

1115
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: You know, it can't be that good the way y'all

1116
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: talk about old boy. He could be in the NBA

1117
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: right now in fifteen sixty. He can't be that good.

1118
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: And then you see him, and you see him as

1119
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: a fifteen sixteen year old, You're like, hold on, man,

1120
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: let me see his birth certificate, because ain't no way

1121
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: if somebody being like that at fifteen sixteen.

1122
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 5: Nah, you just again that when you playing against elite talent,

1123
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 5: you see elite things. He just was the most special

1124
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 5: out of special players. He was like the best X men.

1125
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: For real.

1126
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, Kevin Durant, he said, at some point, y'all

1127
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: non athletes is going to realize that friends can eat

1128
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: harder against one another.

1129
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 2: And Lebron agreed. Do you agree one hundred percent?

1130
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 5: Because like it's just like having a brother, You're gonna

1131
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 5: try to beat your brother at everything.

1132
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: Because I don't never want to you have right run,

1133
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: You're never gonna say that you did this to me.

1134
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 5: So, yeah, you're gonna compete harder against your friends than

1135
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 5: you're gonna compete.

1136
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: But why why do the older guys seem to forget that?

1137
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: Every time Magic at Isaiah used to play each other,

1138
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: they would you give each other kids on the cheek,

1139
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: but Magic took his ass out the air. Jordan and

1140
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: Barkley were very cool, but they make it seem like

1141
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: they was fighting, you know, everything with bad boy Pistons

1142
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: and the Celtics or bad boy pistols in the bull

1143
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: they try to they seem to forget that. You know,

1144
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: we had TVs, we saw it.

1145
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's just then they they I feel

1146
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 5: like now they help each other up more. They are

1147
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 5: bigging each other up more, which is not really a

1148
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 5: bad thing, but like, in terms of competing, you kind

1149
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 5: of don't want to let you know your right hand

1150
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: know which, yeah, what the left hand is doing?

1151
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: How has aau shaped that? Because you played against Lebron

1152
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: you know it. These guys now they've been playing against

1153
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: each other since they're ten. So how do I develop

1154
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: a ridal? How do I develop a dislike or hatred

1155
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: versus the NBA. Those old guys, they ain't each other

1156
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: with no you went traveling around like this. You saw

1157
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: each other at the McDonald's All American Game. That was

1158
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: probably the only time that you really saw each other.

1159
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: And so you went to one college. I mean, if

1160
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: you went to Douke North Carolina, obviously you developed or

1161
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't know who you're right?

1162
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 2: What USC?

1163
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we get fat. But these kids now a

1164
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: lot of them play on the same high school team

1165
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: or the same AAU team.

1166
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: So how do I develop?

1167
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: How does Zion and Ja Morant who played on the

1168
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: same AAU team develop a rival against each other?

1169
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 5: Try to kick each other's eyes every time they step

1170
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 5: on the court. That's it it, don't it don't I

1171
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 5: mean it don't stop. Like you don't have to not

1172
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 5: be cool with them, right, you know when you're in

1173
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 5: between those lines, you know you I'm going to fucking

1174
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 5: eat all your food.

1175
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts on super teams? Uh? What's

1176
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: the super team?

1177
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: Uh? I mean there've always been super teams, but I

1178
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: mean the old guys seemed to forget that. What was

1179
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: the Celtics, the Big Three Celtics with Bird Parish and McHale.

1180
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: They also had Dennis Johnson who's in the Hall of Fame,

1181
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: right the Lakers, So what was uh Kareem Magic and

1182
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: Worthy killers? Was that not a super team? But see

1183
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: I see a draft though. That's the thing. Everybody ain't

1184
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: uh uh Jared West mm hmm. Everybody ain't bar Myers.

1185
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: Everybody wasn't coach all back to be able to put

1186
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: a team together.

1187
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that.

1188
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 5: I think like the difference now is players want to

1189
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 5: play with each other, yes, more so than playing played

1190
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 5: against each other, right, And that's probably they ain't not

1191
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 5: older players like if you're not on the same team early,

1192
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 5: I want to compete against you because you're my rival,

1193
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 5: and that I like the competition. You know, it's just

1194
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 5: like playing cards or dominoes, right, Like I'm gonna try

1195
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 5: to kick your ass on the domino table.

1196
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: You're steal my dog, still my boy, Well, I'm still

1197
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: gonna go at you.

1198
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 5: And I think that's the difference in today's game than

1199
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 5: the errors before.

1200
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: What do you think about for me? And I called

1201
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: some criticism, but I'm not afraid to say it. I

1202
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: believe even in football, the players are more skilled they're

1203
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: more athletic, and today it's called the evolution. Players get bigger, faster, stronger,

1204
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: they jump higher, they shoot better.

1205
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, they do from deeper from you know, they shoot

1206
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 5: from half court. Now you see Dame come across half

1207
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 5: if you not at half court with him, Yeah, guys

1208
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 5: wasn't doing that. The game was completely different. So I

1209
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 5: think that's older players have to let that go.

1210
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: But see, I think the old older player think playing

1211
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: football where they're not as tough, I mean.

1212
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 5: A different Yes, ye like being tough is I guess

1213
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 5: in your era of football, getting a concussion, getting your

1214
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 5: ass back out there on the next snap, putting the

1215
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 5: band aid over the helmet. So yes, that that was

1216
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 5: that was the physicality of it, right, But that but

1217
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 5: that I mean, I guess, I mean, would you consider

1218
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 5: being tough for skill? Nowadays it's a mentality that you

1219
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 5: got to have and it's it's a little bit you

1220
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 5: got to look at it different. Now they're tough is

1221
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 5: different from what our tough is.