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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Noriy with You.

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Speaker 2: Author Leslie Rule with Us was born in Seattle grew

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Speaker 2: up in a haunted house. She has written dozens of

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Speaker 2: articles for national magazines, including features on ghosts for Readers Digest.

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Speaker 2: A couple of her books include Ghosts among Us, Coast

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Speaker 2: to Coast Ghosts, and Haunted in America. Leslie, welcome back

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Speaker 2: to the program. How have you been?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? How are you?

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Speaker 2: George Goodsen? What three years since you were on the

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Speaker 2: show with our late host Ian Punnett It.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Ian was a friend of ours, so it's a

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Speaker 4: shock to have him gone.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's that was a sad story. Sad story.

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Speaker 3: I miss him.

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Speaker 2: We all miss him. Lesley. Have you been?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? Thank you.

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Speaker 2: How'd you get involved in ghost hunting?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I've always been interested because I grew up in a

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Speaker 4: haunted house and so I always had this fascination with it.

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Speaker 4: But when I grew up, I wanted to prove to

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Speaker 4: myself that they existed, because we'd had our own experiences.

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Speaker 4: But I wanted to see proof, so I set out

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Speaker 4: to try to validate ghost sightings, and I did this.

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Speaker 4: I started in the nineteen nineties, and my plan was

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Speaker 4: to go to haunted places where apparitions had been seen

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Speaker 4: and then do historical research and dive deep into the

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Speaker 4: archives and find cases of tragedies that occurred in or

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Speaker 4: near the vicinity with victims who resembled the apparitions being seen.

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Speaker 4: And I didn't know if it was going to work

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Speaker 4: out or not, but I found a surprising number of

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Speaker 4: real stories that matched the haunted scenarios.

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Speaker 2: How haunted was your house?

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Speaker 4: It was built on a Native American burial ground, It

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Speaker 4: was a Puget Sound on a hill windy cliff, and

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Speaker 4: it was not as haunted as some of the places

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Speaker 4: I go to now, but we had things happen, like

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Speaker 4: a sobbing ghost that could actually be heard all through

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Speaker 4: the neighborhood. And my dad had grown up in the

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Speaker 4: house and he purchased it from his parents when I

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Speaker 4: was about five years old. So my mom and dad

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Speaker 4: would go on the weekends to do some remodeling, and

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Speaker 4: while they were working, they would hear the phone ring persistently,

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Speaker 4: and they would walk to the wall where the old

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Speaker 4: fashioned phone had once been mounted, but it was no

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Speaker 4: longer there. They were just wires sticking out, and wires,

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Speaker 4: of course don't ring, and as they stood there, they

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Speaker 4: would continue to ring, and they weren't afraid to go.

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Speaker 4: They thought it was really interesting. And I grew up

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Speaker 4: with the same attitude because that's how my parents perceived it.

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Speaker 2: Leslie. Have you ever been heard on a ghost investigation.

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Speaker 3: Never.

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Speaker 4: I actually don't go to places that I perceived as dangerous.

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Speaker 4: If I hear a place isn't involved with curses, or

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Speaker 4: there's animals dying for no reason, or there seems to

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Speaker 4: be dark energy or really evil stories associated with it,

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Speaker 4: I don't research it. I'm looking for the benign hauntings,

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Speaker 4: which I think most of them are.

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Speaker 2: Are they easier to find?

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Speaker 3: Sure? I think so.

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Speaker 4: I think that Hollywood and a lot of the TV

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Speaker 4: shows these days, they seek out scary stories and they'll

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Speaker 4: actually make a story seem scarier than it is, And

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Speaker 4: I think that's a disservice to people, because I don't

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Speaker 4: think we should be afraid of ghosts. I think they're

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Speaker 4: just people who are earth bound and they no longer

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Speaker 4: have their bodies, and I really don't think there's anything

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Speaker 2: I think of Chucky the doll.

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Speaker 3: Like that, that would be scary.

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Speaker 4: I've never come across a Chucky, although I have investigated

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Speaker 4: cases of haunted dolls. They're out there, lots of haunted possessions.

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Speaker 2: What do you think a ghost is, Well.

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Speaker 4: I subscribe to the leading theory that a ghost is

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Speaker 4: the soul of a person who died.

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Speaker 3: I think there's different kinds of ghosts.

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Speaker 4: The people who are able to move on, but they

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Speaker 4: grandma standing by your bed, and she may be perfectly

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Speaker 4: free to go. She's not ruth bound, but she's watching

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Speaker 3: And then there's the.

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Speaker 4: Cases where the people seem to be stuck and there's

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Speaker 2: Leslie tell us about how you go about looking for

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Speaker 4: Well, I started researching in the nineteen nineties, and I

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Speaker 4: found that almost every place, every city you could go to,

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Speaker 4: and I think that may be because those cities were

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Speaker 4: and more ghosts. So I would choose cities all around

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Speaker 4: and I would go without any preconceived notions.

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Speaker 3: I like to just show up, book a room in.

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Speaker 2: How did you always? How did you find these places?

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Speaker 4: I would go to the older buildings, and I found

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Speaker 4: that just one of the very first places I went

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Speaker 4: at Whitefish, Montana, I was I just arrived there. I

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Speaker 3: I saw a guy and.

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Speaker 4: I said, Hey, are there any haunted places around here?

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Speaker 4: And he said, yeah, they're Remington over here. And that

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Speaker 4: ended up being one of the first stories in my

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Speaker 4: first ghost book, Coast to Coast Ghosts.

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Speaker 3: And that was a very haunted place, and I.

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Speaker 4: Was actually able to fulfill my goal of finding a

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Speaker 4: a woman by the name of Joey, noticed this older

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Speaker 4: didn't wreck recognize him. It wasn't related to any of

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Speaker 4: And she looked away for a second and when she

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Speaker 4: they said, sure, go ahead, and you look around, but

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Speaker 3: The perfect article. I picked up a book and I

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Speaker 4: Saw was the story about a man who was killed

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Speaker 3: The old man appeared at the Remington.

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Speaker 4: In fact, he had had his birthday dinner at that

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Speaker 4: It was a good night for him. But he walked

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Speaker 4: the train came chugging into a whitefish and it rounded

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Speaker 4: looked quite a bit like him, showed up at another

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Speaker 4: seventy six years after his seventy fifth birthday that he

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Speaker 4: celebrated at that very place.

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Speaker 3: His name was Marcus Prouse, and.

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Speaker 4: His son was actually an editor at the Whitefish Pilot.

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Speaker 2: Probably in the same garb too, I bet.

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Speaker 3: I think he probably was.

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Speaker 4: That was probably what he was wearing on a winter

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Speaker 2: Some of the stories that you've come across at apparitions,

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Speaker 2: you had one of a little boy tell us about that.

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Speaker 3: One the Hotel Conniot.

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Speaker 4: Actually I put a few of little boys, but is

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Speaker 4: this the one you're referring to? The little boy ghost

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Speaker 4: or the little boy who saw? Okay, So there was

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Speaker 3: Would disappear before their eyes. And in one case, this

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Speaker 4: And then the woman got up and walked away, and

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Speaker 4: And the man said, we'll help you find will help

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Speaker 4: And he was playing on the pier with his siblings

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the kids called for the adults and they couldn't

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Speaker 4: but it was too late. And so I can't say

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Speaker 3: But what was kind of interesting was that a psychic

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Speaker 4: name was Michael. So I was looking for the name Michael. Well,

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Speaker 4: the little boy who drowned the lake, his name wasn't Michael,

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Speaker 4: but his mother's maiden name was MacMichael. So it was

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Speaker 4: really close. And she had worked as a housekeeper, and

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Speaker 3: That's my theory.

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Speaker 2: That's a great story.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was fascinating and it's very exciting when

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Speaker 4: I can find that one article that validates what's being seen.

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Speaker 2: And you've got a story of what's in still out

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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania about a haunted roller coaster.

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Speaker 3: That was the same place.

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Speaker 4: It was the Blue Streak roller coaster at the right

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 4: A wooden roller coaster that was built in the nineteen thirties.

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Speaker 4: And when I stayed at the place, I walked around.

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Speaker 3: I always do this. I just walk around and I

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Speaker 4: And there was it was kind of a quiet night,

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Speaker 4: night that he was working and when the roller coaster

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Speaker 4: put people in it, and malfunctioned and it rolled right

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Speaker 4: past him and he and went into an area they

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Speaker 4: called the skunk tunnel, and so he went to retrieve it,

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Speaker 4: and he stopped short because there in the middle of

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Speaker 4: the tracks was a little girl glowing standing there, and

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Speaker 4: she was wearing a dress that fell mid calf, so

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Speaker 4: it looked like it was from another period of time.

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Speaker 4: He was terrified, and he never went back in there

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Speaker 4: after that.

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Speaker 3: He refused to.

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Speaker 4: But in that case I researched, and the only I

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Speaker 4: couldn't find a death of a little girl on those tracks.

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Speaker 4: I found three men who died in the nineteen forties.

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Speaker 4: A couple of them stood up, they're drunk. One mysteriously

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Speaker 4: just disappeared from his seat. His companion said that the

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Speaker 4: seat belt was on and when the guy went flying out,

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Speaker 4: the seat belt was still snapped together. So that was

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Speaker 4: their claim was that he was wearing it, but no

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Speaker 4: one can say it this late date. But I think

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Speaker 4: that it's possible that this machine was using recycled parts

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Speaker 4: from other roller coasters, because I know that in right

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Speaker 4: around two thousand and four, right before I had visited there,

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Speaker 4: they had done some work on it and they had

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Speaker 4: gotten a hold of a couple of the old original cars.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know that it came.

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Speaker 4: From another city, but that's one of my theories that

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Speaker 4: possibly the little girl was attached to a ride in

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Speaker 4: another city and possibly died there.

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Speaker 2: What makes these places Leslie's so haunted?

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Speaker 4: I think that the places where a lot of people

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Speaker 4: have come and gone, where there have been thousands and

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Speaker 4: thousands of people, there's always going to be tragedies, There's

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Speaker 4: always going to be deaths, and.

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Speaker 3: I think it just goes with life.

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Speaker 4: There's going to be things that happened, traumatic deaths, unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: and that tends to be the most common cause of

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Speaker 4: paranormal activity. That's the theory, that's what the leading theory

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Speaker 4: is that murder, suicide, accidents, unresolved issues can result in

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Speaker 4: earthbound ghosts.

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Speaker 2: How many people do you think you've interviewed regarding ghosts.

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Speaker 4: A few hundred and I haven't, of course, had room

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Speaker 4: to put all the stories in my books. But I

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Speaker 4: find it really interesting and I just love to talk

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Speaker 4: to people about their experiences. And I'm really curious, so

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Speaker 4: I ask a lot of questions. I want to know

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Speaker 4: exactly what they saw, what the ghosts looked like, and

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Speaker 4: did they speak, and what were their clothes like. And

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Speaker 4: I have a pretty good idea of the pattern.

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Speaker 3: Now, what people see, it's pretty dramatic.

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Speaker 2: They see a lot of reflections and mirrors.

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Speaker 4: I hear, yes, that tends to be one of the

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Speaker 4: most commonplaces that they appear.

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Speaker 2: They see.

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Speaker 4: I see this common pattern with that, Like almost everybody

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Speaker 4: who had a sighting of a ghost in the mirror

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Speaker 4: told me that. First of all, they'd be looking in

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Speaker 4: the mirror, walking past the mirror, and they would see

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Speaker 4: what appeared to be somebody standing behind them, and they

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Speaker 4: turn around, no one would be there, and then they

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Speaker 4: would turn back and the apparition would continue to remain

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Speaker 4: in the mirror.

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Speaker 2: Are they dangerous?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I'm you know, I don't I don't explore the dark stuff,

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Speaker 4: and I know that bad things happen. And you know,

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Speaker 4: some people are looking for the you know, the demon related.

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Speaker 3: Stuff, but I steer clear of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: And I see a ghost as being more like a

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Speaker 4: like a trapped animal that needs our caring and our

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Speaker 4: nurturing and needs to be treated kindly.

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Speaker 3: And as you know, it's a cliche, but.

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Speaker 4: As the ask, if somebody appears to be stuck, ask

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Speaker 4: them to go to the light, oh.

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Speaker 3: Say, I prayer for them.

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Speaker 4: I in my experience, it hasn't been frightening.

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Speaker 3: And I've stayed in a lot of haunted hotels.

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Speaker 2: Have you been lucky, because a lot of people, Lesley

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Speaker 2: get scared to death.

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Speaker 4: Well, when I started out doing this, I said, I'm

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Speaker 4: not going to be scared.

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Speaker 3: And I have gotten chill sometimes. And I did actually.

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Speaker 4: Have one time when I felt a fear and I

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Speaker 4: don't know why, but it was at the Thornwood.

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Speaker 3: Castle in the Tacoma.

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Speaker 4: Washington area, and that was the location where they filmed

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Speaker 4: Stephen King's movie Rose Red and I stayed there a

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Speaker 4: couple times, and it's it's a pretty haunted place. But

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Speaker 4: I was taking some photos in the hallway and I

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Speaker 4: had brought this old doll to pose in the pictures

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Speaker 4: to just create a little flavor in the pictures, and

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Speaker 4: she ended up being on the cover of my book,

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Speaker 4: not a haunted doll, but just an old, creepy looking

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Speaker 4: doll because I like to do artistic black and white photos.

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Speaker 4: And while I was photographing her, I had this sensation

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Speaker 4: that people had described to me a number of times,

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Speaker 4: and that was I felt like somebody was behind me

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Speaker 4: and watching me, and I never understood it until I

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Speaker 4: experienced it myself and I turned around. There was no

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Speaker 4: one there, but the feeling stayed, and it was really unsettling.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't terrified, but I did feel kind of scared.

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