WEBVTT - FACE OFF: "The Gene Deal Episode" 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.880 The coronavirus has left the path of destruction across the 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.760 United States and the rest of the world. Millions of 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.320 people have lost jobs and livelihoods, and some people have 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.880 even died. These dates have left us all wondering one 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.240 will it end? And we have a lot of questions, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.720 ones in which no one seems to have answers. Digital 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.320 Soapbox Network is one of the few media outlets that 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.840 makes content specific for not dis urban America, but for 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.160 those that struggle across the world. We haven't went anywhere. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.080 In fact, we got stronger and we had a lot 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:49.200 of talk about it was up, it was up? Oh nothing, 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:54.680 No that I go by James big Bro. I apologize, 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.800 I truly apologize. It's all good. It's all good. I 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.840 want to send out all whatever was articulated to you 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.720 in some kind of way. Um, I want to send 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.119 like I send my apologies out to you. And as 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.920 long as you know we are gentlemen first, you know 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:14.920 what I'm saying, don't come into a conversation or anything 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.120 as a gentleman. Well we're good, brother, you know what 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.720 I'm saying. Uh, I heard you lost. I know you 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.759 lost your brother to the game. I lost my brother. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.800 I thought he was in the streets to St. Louis. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.480 And I know I know of some of the pain 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.880 you may feel because I felt that pain too. You 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:37.200 know what I mean? Right well? You know I'm I'm 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.280 actually getting over that. You know what I'm saying, my brother. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:45.640 You know that the hatred I had, for sure. Um, 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.559 I'm I'm pretty much over that. You know, I'm letting 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:53.520 the rest. I'm done with it. Uh. I know there's 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.800 nothing I can do about that, you know what I'm saying. Um, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.920 I know you know I can't. But I can't be 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.160 mad at shild forever. I ain't trying to be mad 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.280 at you forever. You know. I can forgive, but I 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.640 can't forget. You feel me, But I'm not gonna go 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.919 every day feeling the way I used to feel. It 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.040 just wasn't healthy from me, you know what I'm saying. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.640 So you know, and I know everybody across the board 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.960 field that way, you know, Biggie Mama, Tupac Mama. You know, 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:30.760 everybody lost somebody to this, to the bs. You feel me, So, 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:36.320 I mean, I think everybody just needs to get over it. Um. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.160 You know, I listened to you talk and I listened 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.919 to a lot that you have to say about the situation, 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:48.679 about the way Puff was pretty much the same way 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.680 that should was. And you know, like I was telling 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.560 you earlier, a lot of people don't, don't you know, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.560 they're paying attention to the wrong thing. You know, we're praising, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.520 you know, these two guys, but then we're not really 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:09.920 thinking about the depths of of of Tupac, Biggie and 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.359 all the other cats that lost their lives. We got 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.400 a lot of cats out of here that's dead behind 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:19.880 this East Coast West Coast ship, and and you know, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.880 the guys that hate each other because of the situation. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.480 So it's a lot of it's a lot of us 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.840 involved in some ship that that shouldn't have never been. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:36.040 And right down to day, we still got brothers not 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.120 working with each other on on some man, I ain't 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.080 working with that NIGGD ship, you know what I'm saying. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:46.440 I listened to the interview you had with uh, what's 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.000 his name, Little Sees or somebody you had an interview 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:56.240 with with Mace, and and right off the top I 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.600 knew it wasn't. We can't get nowhere if we start 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.920 arguing with each other opposed to. You know, I think 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.800 y'all should have had a conversation before like we did before. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.880 You know, y'all tapped in with each other and other 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.480 people can hear what the fun was going on. Uh, 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.760 we opened the door for social media to come in 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.640 and comment on the ship that we're talking about or 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.040 that what's going on now. Everybody voiced their own opinion. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.440 But then we get mad at the ship of you know, 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.039 the comments that are being said because you had some 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:36.159 people on his side, you had a lot of people 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.640 on your side. I mean where we draw the line at. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.640 You know what I'm saying. Everybody gonna voice stay own 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.240 opinion on on on how they felt. And you know, 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:50.320 one he said, you had a fister, why you didn't shoot? 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.120 If you was in the same boat, why you didn't. So, 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.240 I mean, that's my opinion on it. If he could 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.680 say that, why didn't he reacted sir kind of way 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:05.080 to the situation. Well, to piggyback on that Mace, Mace 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:09.560 was only being sadistic in the manner with which after 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.440 Big got killed. Me and Mace had a conversation directly 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.440 after Big got killed. You understand, I was one of 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.040 the people that he called. We spoke on the telephone, 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.719 you understand, And I could have been Mace raighted way 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.279 out the water because Brandy was not in the room 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:30.200 with Mace during the time they got killed, right. She 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.480 was trying to get Mace out the room because Mace 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.479 told me, Yo, Brandy kept calling me trying to get 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.120 me out the room, and I told I wasn't going nowhere. 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.000 I could have blew him out the water without because 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.760 he forgot that, he told me. Now, maybe she went 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.240 to the room after Big got killed to console him, 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.040 or whatever the fact they may be. I'm never said 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.680 Mace blew that I had blew that light at the corner, 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.560 you understand. Because the dude who was looking out for 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:04.040 Mace named Tone. He the one who saw the individual 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.159 pull a weapon at the corner, you understand. He told 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:15.480 him we think reverse or turn around? He forward. So 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.400 it's nothing I can do on that time. What do 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:23.039 I makes an innocent bystander? Right, so you know, and 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.240 and that acpect he knew the whole thing, but what 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.640 he had to do he had to save himself. He 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.280 had to save himself because he knew not to go 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.640 to the party. Puff ain't Puff ain't make him go 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.400 to the party like he made Beg go to the park. See, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.839 people don't understand that every time Puff hit the streets 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.120 in California, I was next to him. I was right 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.200 next to him, except that one day and which he 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.359 took d Rock with him with Sally Richardson and some 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.279 other people so he could party or have fun or 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.920 do whatever they were doing. So he could convinced Rock 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.640 that he wanted to go to that party. He needed 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.240 to get big to that part. Even today, if you 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.160 hear snoop and somebody sent me him a snoop online 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:11.800 on Instagram and Pump brought up, you know, like it 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.680 was a fake East Coast West Coast Walk. How does 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.640 it fake East Coast West Coast Walk? When people lost 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:23.800 their life, people couldn't travel, people didn't feel safe. How 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.960 was that fake? But he still want to put that 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.800 out there because he don't want to admit so I know, Pump, 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.480 people don't want me, Yo, Jane, let it go, Let 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.080 it go, man, listen to me. I don't hate that boy. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.360 I don't catch shit a bottle like I was telling 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.840 people up to day, I'm good like morm Jane. I 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.200 told you I ain't never gotta leave out my house 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.160 if I don't want to, and I get paid, I 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.880 pimped the mail man. Now, I set up my life. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.200 I did everything that I could do and wanted to do. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.200 You understand, so now I can live comfortable. You understand. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.720 I'm fifty six years old and I'm leaving it comfortably. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.560 I'm good. You understand. You know people who've been to 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.320 my house, people who've been around me. Yo. I got 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.000 old schools, I got old cars, I got old trucks. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.520 I can get a new car, new truck, get anything 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.840 I want to in life. I set myself up for that, 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.600 and I tell my kids everything. When you turn the eighteen, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.040 what you're doing the next five years, it's gonna determine 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.960 how you live the rest of your life. They went 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.120 to college, they go to they finished college, they're doing 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.840 their thing. One is still in college doing anything. Listen, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.560 I'm happy. I'm not upset and puff. I'm not upset 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.320 and none of this. It was an experience. But if 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.720 I could talk about it, I could be about it, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.440 and I could teach and tell people about it. I'm 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.839 gonna do it. If they hate me for it, man, listen, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.800 here they hated Jesus Christ. What they do They wear 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.199 him around his neck right now and call them God. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.920 You understand, I have no problem with that. Okay, let 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.440 me let me, let me let me ask you this. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.959 Going in law enforcement and then doing any time my 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.160 mother getting and shooting or drive by, whatever the case 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.719 might be. I think those cats did the right thing 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.760 being in that car. You know, when you hear gunshots, 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.160 you're gonna sucking duck. You ain't gonna really see what's 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:21.800 going on in the first the first three seconds right there. No, 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.040 if you trained, if you were trained, you don't duck 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.000 for nothing. I don't know. I know, not a police 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:34.240 officer I'm talking about. I'm talking about guys, just just 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:39.920 an average street cat. Now. Particulate for those street cats, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.040 because I know some serious street cats and it seems 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.560 like they got like like they got they got. I 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.480 would want to go to wall with them because I've seen. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.920 Let me just say this, I know street cats, if 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.720 they in situations like that, they don't duck. They don't 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:02.679 what you call Lucy's said. You know he saw somebody 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:08.199 uh dressed like the Nation of Islam. You understand that's 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.959 a little c said. He said, somebody dressed like the 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.920 National Islam and then they they they they they started shooting. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.840 Now they made a duck after the shooting when the 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.920 shooting start. But he said that, and then when I said, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.280 somebody walked up to me and puffs car. He had 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.520 blue fool, white shirt, blue boo boats at a peanut 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:35.240 looking head, you understand. And they said, mean, how do 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:36.880 you know that? I said, he walked up to the 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.320 calling me a coup with me and puff car. So 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.960 now we put that guy to see. So now whether 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.520 he saw all of it or not, he saw the 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.800 guy in that car, he saw that guy in that car. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.280 I saw that guy come up to me and pump 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.040 the l a p. He shows me a picture, a picture. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.720 Let me ask you this, the guy that walked up 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.280 to you, can you actually place him? And everybody want 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.080 to notice, can you actually place that guy as being 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.840 the shooter? Can you actually say he's the one that 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.280 did it? I mean, he out started talking to you. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.880 Can you place him in the car and being a 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:21.439 shooter At the same time, rug to be totally honest, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.959 and I'm always gonna be this way. I've known the 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.960 guy in the blue suit, white shirt, blue boat top 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.880 was in that car, a little seeds and Paul. When 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.120 they said nothing, I could play some walking up to 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:40.360 me five minutes five to be getting killed. I can't 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.679 place him in the car. He walked in that direction. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.680 I've always said that, right, I can only place the 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.760 guy right there with me and pup and walking in 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.959 that direction. I wouldn't have never known he was in 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.480 the car. If right, not two months later, not a 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:07.400 two days while we was at the hospital, they said, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:12.800 a guy said, a guy in a uh dressed like 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.679 the Nation of Islam shot b. I said, because I 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:22.040 seen the guy walk in that direction. He had a 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.640 blue shuit on, white shirt, blue balltop. You know there, 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.000 you know, looking at I can't place him. I can 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.599 only put him in the going in the direction, you 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:37.160 know what I'm saying. Five minutes later, five minutes later. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.360 But if they would have said he it was a 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.840 guy with a blue suit, a Nation of Islam's guy 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.880 and I and I said the color, and they said yeah, 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.640 then I would have never known the The code thing 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.400 about it is is you guys just doing the same 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.040 thing that we're doing over here. About five we and 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.840 we all blame and who should have did what? And 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.160 why they didn't do what And that's the same thing 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:09.600 you're going through. That's the that's the same thing everybody 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.080 is going through. And I think everybody has to blame. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.320 You know, if if the homies would have took care 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.560 of the situation with Tupuck opposed to Tupac doing it, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.160 then it would have it would have directed the attention 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.120 in a in a you know, a different way. This 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:31.719 is what I believe. But and then if if like 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.640 you said, if only I could take that day back 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.400 and do it different, Dan Bicky probably would have still 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.520 been here. I would have never got to the car, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.480 I would have never gotten the call puff. But see, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.160 the thing about it is is that you know, um, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:50.400 if I hadn't known that, my friends them, what they 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.560 did was they was at Steve Stoutsingam house and they've 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.599 seen something that that wasn't right up there, and it 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.839 looked like a set up. And because they from the 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.520 street and their gangsters that they was coming to set 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.720 tell us, YO, don't go up to that party because 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.200 it's a set up up there. It wasn't a party 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.920 in the hills. Now, when I talked to some guys 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:11.600 out there and I talked to some people on the 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.400 other on other they told me, yo, they was waiting 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.839 for y'all to come in the hills. At first. Some 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.480 people was waiting for us to come up the hill 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.000 because they knew Steve Stop was giving a party up 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:29.880 there and Puffna was invited. So huh, I said, Puffy 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.880 knew about all this. He was told that he's just 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.680 set up, yo, Bro. He was told not to go 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.040 to the party. I told him not to go to 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.800 the party before we left Steve Stop, I mean Andrerell's house. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:49.360 I told him, still hum and he still went. He 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:54.480 still went. This is what people don't understand. And then 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.680 you gotta look at me. I'm the number every guy 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.600 who was coming from Cali when they came in New York, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:08.120 Matt ten exhibits, uh Nate dog who is bodyguarding them. Me. 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.880 You understand, I'm not dude. So now I look bad 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:20.280 because not big gas kilt on my watch. Yeah, that's 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.520 a lot of stuff for me. You understand what I'm saying, 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.960 because this dude ain't listen to what I told him. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.680 Y'o listen to me. I believe punk Girl was putting 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.960 that stuff to the I believe kids because kill was 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:39.200 right there. I said, we can't go to that party, man, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.720 so people gonna come and kill us. Man. People have 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:43.960 told me that a dude that was in the federal 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:50.080 jail out there, he's out now, he's up now he 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.280 caught gave me a phone call. He said, big James. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.120 I said, yeah, what's up? Man? He said, Yo, best stuff? 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.440 I said, all day everything. He said, they can come 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:05.240 to get y'all. Man. I get a call from my 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.920 man Chas Whim. He said, Yo, it's gonna be some 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.400 street niggers coming at y'all to night. He went to 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:17.120 that sting Stock party on the hill. He left up 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.320 because I told him he was at the museum, man, 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.360 and it looks shady. So he was coming to the 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:26.880 museum's crew and and two of them is still alive. 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:33.280 Was on the corner when dad got stopped. Wow, they 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:38.720 saw it go down. They you know, they still us 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:46.560 chase the guy. They followed us to the hospital. The 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.200 puss got ready to lead a hospital. He had his 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.200 crew and he tends to follow us and plus them 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.600 stop the car on the highway and go tell Chad, yo, 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:01.640 we don't heed go all that damn. So, So how 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.040 did guys how they feel about Puppy now, and I 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:08.200 mean Puppy still living in doing this thing, and they 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.040 they don't, they don't, they don't know. God bless the 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.640 dad Chas is gone and they don't turning about Paul 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.200 And I was one of his people. He wasn't gonna 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.040 see nothing happen to me, right, I was gonna see 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.639 nothing happen, and nobody from if he couldn't because he 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.080 was that New York type of dude. He was the 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.840 one with Big DEEDM and Eric Beta who set up 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.600 that meeting with Shill to get that East Coast West 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.800 Coast thing squads and Puff wun't even still a representative. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.760 So you think you wanted that, You think you think 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:44.400 it was more beneficial to to send Biggie out there 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.320 like that, because I mean, that's a mission that you 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:51.119 shouldn't have went on for number one, after Tupac was killed, 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.400 and then you're gonna go to the Lions. Then right 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.679 after that, you knew it was gonna be repercussion after 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.920 Park was killed, you know what I'm saying. He said, 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.280 I didn't know any and everybody knew that that was 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.560 gonna be a problem. Why here Why is this executive 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.639 telling get no e t you know and everything it 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.119 was no East coast, west coast wall that he didn't 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:22.040 know about nothing when it fot dude that he paid 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:28.440 good me tell him and then wolf his head and 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:33.480 his security. He's had his bad boy tell him I'm 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:38.359 not going and let you and he told and what 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.720 told his mother, MI ain't going out there, don't want 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.159 to go right, Like I was saying, man, you know everybody, 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.480 everybody feeling a vault on some of the ship. But 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:55.000 the fault ain't the blame ain't going to the right people. Right. 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.879 They have the avenue and they get to look at 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:06.480 this James, My story and your story and what you 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.120 did for death Row and what I did with bad 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:14.000 Boy is worth millions and millions of dollars. You underderstand 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:21.800 these cats get other cats get get get avenues and 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:26.560 get millions of dollars to tell our story. And they 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:30.560 weren't even there and they don't know our story. They don't. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.600 They don't. Hollywood, the movie business, don't give us that 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.440 avenue like they give it to those other cats. You 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.960 understand what I'm saying. Let me say this, I'm not 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.600 gonna I can't even blame them because they take advantage 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:52.040 of the situation us. They don't take advantage, James. They 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:57.240 are given the situation, they were given it. But that's 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:03.639 that's us, that's us doing these interviews. It's not us 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.720 who is it. That's not us? Give it that that 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:09.960 that we that we might do it giving them the 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.480 interviews and stuff like that. You know what I'm saying, 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:16.000 and trying to get compensated for the interviews. But that's 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.439 not us. They don't. They don't. They don't give us 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.440 the money. They don't give us the platform and the 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.800 avenue to do that like they do them. So if 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.920 we don't talk and say nothing, if we take ourselves 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:32.560 by the equation, bro, then they have nothing, they have nothing, 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.400 then they're gonna be If we do that, then they're 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.800 ready and willing to pay us what we want to 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.800 be paid to do it. So just that's their make up, 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.440 their make up, their makeup, ship, Jane. They'll make ship 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.720 and put it on a grand scale. Now everybody thinks 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:50.920 the truth because we don't have a voice to speak 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.120 on it. We don't have what they do. They don't 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.160 give us the voice to speak on it. They make 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.120 up ship and they make it be what they wanted 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.600 to be. Well, just like we create these platforms, we 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:06.520 can create a platform where brothers can push it together. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.600 Us can push it together and then do a documentary 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.679 such as VT or anybody else, you know what I'm saying. 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:19.119 So we can do it ourselves, just like anster chronicles, 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.119 just like what Norman is doing, just like what you 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.800 was doing. We can put that ship out there ourselves 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.040 and and and make the money. If Pufflican started business, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.000 if Shield and I can started business, I think I 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.240 mean they opened the doors for us to do pretty 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:36.760 much whatever we want to do it. Yo. Anybody brother 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.080 that was trying to do some kind of distribution out there, 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.040 you know what, they know where they are right now, 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:49.959 where in jail, in jail, bro. They don't want us 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.040 to have distribution to put our own stuff out there. 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.119 The people that can do it, and they're not gonna 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.359 do it. You got the Tyler Perry's gotta got a 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:00.440 multimillion dollars there a studio. He will not for the 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:06.640 avenue for things for street black uh black documentaries, things 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.520 that happened in the streets that's coming up. He he 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.920 won't do that now those those those those those white 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.919 boys overseas might do it because they have no allegiance 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:24.760 to America like that. Huh, So we we do have leeways, 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:28.200 we do have options. Would you might have some options. 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.240 We might have some options. But listen. The thing about 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:36.040 it is is that brother, um, they had made this 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:41.480 man so poisonous that they don't give us the avenue 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.359 to see what we want to speak to state what 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:46.199 we want to say when we go. Listen to me, 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.240 I did MTV and sit down there for five hours. 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.480 You got twenty seconds or thirty seconds or something. We 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:58.600 don't have about that v H one the same thing. 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.399 So now people saying that I never told this story. 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:07.120 Now I've been telling this story and since since, you understand, 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.480 but saying the same ship. But what happened that they 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:17.280 used a portion that they need that they want you understand. Well, 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:21.680 that's that's where the controversy come in. Like like saying 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.200 that you said you gave three different stories, you picked 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:29.600 out different people. That's the controversy. That's the what they need. 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.040 But let's listen to me, brother, I see what what 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.399 Grant Katie wasn't telling y'all. I had a lawyer with 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:41.840 me right. You had a lawyer with me. This lawyer 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:47.600 was the governor's personal one of the governor's personal lawyers 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:52.160 because she was married to his brother. That's how powerful 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.080 she was. She was doing me a solid because of 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.639 my girl at the time. Yea, she went with me 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:02.400 and she took notes. She could tell you. I said, 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.360 these guys look something like him, but that's not him. 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.720 And then when they showed me the picture of the 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.680 guy in the blue suit, white shirt, blue boats, I said, 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:16.200 this is the guy right here. They promised that they 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:21.080 were coming back in about two weeks with a better photo, 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:23.920 or they was gonna send for me to come out 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.320 there and do a lineup. They never did, never heard 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:33.120 from him since you're me, never heard from him from 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:36.680 that point on. That's a facade, and that's a lot 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.320 if they were taking me as they weren't. While you 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:45.240 didn't hear the video tape. Anytime you pick out somebody 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:50.560 in the lot lineup and you are law enforcement, you 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:58.159 know what they make you do. What's that initially? So 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.520 what you're saying that, if that wouldn't be a natural fact, 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:06.080 they should have showed that that piece of paper, that 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:10.199 document showing that you are an issue, the wrong person? 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:14.120