WEBVTT - The Playbook: The Proposal

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison and Lauren's em coming to you from the

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<v Speaker 1>home office in Austin, Texas, where today we're talking about proposals.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I propose to Lauren, and I'll admit it was

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful and it worked. She said, Yes. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>tradition in a traditional old school marriage man and woman

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<v Speaker 1>that the man gets down on one knee and proposes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what we were all brought up with Disney movies

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<v Speaker 1>and romantic movies being there in front of the Eiffel Tower,

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<v Speaker 1>the Empire State Building. All the industry was built on

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<v Speaker 1>the man proposing to the woman. Is that still a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Should it be a thing? Why don't more women propose

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<v Speaker 1>to men? And it's something else that we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>a lot on the Bachelorette. The premise of the Bachelorette

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<v Speaker 1>in early days was let's flip the script. Let's put

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<v Speaker 1>the woman one hundred percent in control to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where she chooses the winner and then proposes. But what

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<v Speaker 1>we found, as much as we wanted that was the

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<v Speaker 1>man took over at the last minute, that the bachelorette.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually try to do it. You tried with which bachelorette.

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<v Speaker 1>Every bachelorette we wanted that.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single season, you tried to have the bachelorette propose.

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<v Speaker 1>We would have loved to have the bachelorette proposal.

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<v Speaker 3>So tell me how you tried, because it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>we've ever seen footage of the woman's about to go

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<v Speaker 3>down on one knee and the guy steps in.

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<v Speaker 2>We never saw that.

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<v Speaker 1>Trish, for example, the original Bachelorette, we knew it was

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<v Speaker 1>her and Ryan. Everybody knew it was her and Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>We would have loved to have her propose that first

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<v Speaker 1>bachelorette would have been awesome. At the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>Trista hopeless from antic loved Ryan really wanted him to propose,

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<v Speaker 1>and we ran into that pretty much on every occasion

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<v Speaker 1>where the bacheorette said at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>I want him to take this leap as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>want him to make this commitment and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that because it's like this has kind of

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<v Speaker 3>been on my terms, but I want him to have

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<v Speaker 3>some ownership here.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was funny that that's the way it went

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<v Speaker 1>for the bacheorette that's not how it goes for the Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 1>The bachelor was always in control and then they proposed.

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<v Speaker 3>True, why doesn't the woman? Maybe the woman should propose

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<v Speaker 3>on the Bachelor?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean that, yeah, you should have to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now I need you to choose me. But that still

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<v Speaker 1>never came into play ever on the Bachelor. It was

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<v Speaker 1>never even a question. So post that's the patriarchy? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that sexism? Is it? What is that the in us?

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<v Speaker 1>That it always ended up the same way. As much

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<v Speaker 1>as we actually tried to make it happen the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't. And it's not that we couldn't. We could

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<v Speaker 1>have forced I guess that moment, but they didn't want that,

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<v Speaker 1>and we wanted to give them the moment that they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Did any bachelorette really want to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember any bacheorette saying I want to propose.

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<v Speaker 1>I will propose.

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<v Speaker 3>So part of the reason we want to have this

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<v Speaker 3>discussion today is we saw this article in Time magazine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of an opinion piece and the headline is

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<v Speaker 3>why don't more women propose? And the article gets into

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<v Speaker 3>look times, they are a change in women are more

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<v Speaker 3>financially independent.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this still a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think a huge part of it is just

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<v Speaker 3>sort of the like I think probably overall, women feel

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<v Speaker 3>it's romantic to be proposed to. They feel it it's

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<v Speaker 3>men showing effort. They feel it makes them feel loved

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<v Speaker 3>and special and caretaken.

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<v Speaker 1>It just feels like there's this old stigma that women

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<v Speaker 1>want this more than men, and men need to make

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<v Speaker 1>that leap of faith, they need to commit into the stigma.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's very accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and if we really look into I could be wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>but from the light research I've done and it makes

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<v Speaker 3>sense to me. I think the whole reason men proposed

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<v Speaker 3>to women in the first place is rooted in that

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<v Speaker 3>women used to be seen as property and that marriages

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<v Speaker 3>were about were very transactional and about you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>unions of houses or alliances. Yeah, like the arranged marriages

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<v Speaker 3>would unite houses and countries, and women were property and

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<v Speaker 3>their families would get a you know, a dowry for

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<v Speaker 3>them being proposed to, and and it was very businessy.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's really very unromantic when you think about it

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<v Speaker 3>that way, that the idea of a proposal is rooted

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<v Speaker 3>in wartime alliances or business transactions and women being property.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it has evolved into or dissolved into

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<v Speaker 1>the guy is the one that is hard to commit,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's this again. I just think there's this tradition

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<v Speaker 1>that we all feel that the guy is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to step up because you know, if a

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<v Speaker 1>woman proposes to him, oh, she's trapping him or she's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, the connotation is different and it shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is that's bullsh I think the whole

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<v Speaker 1>concept is complete, bs, And if you're in love, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. I would not have cared at all. If

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<v Speaker 1>you had taken me to NAPA and proposed to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have been so damn happy. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>if it was us backwards forward.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Matt, Okay, hold on, I want you to really

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<v Speaker 3>think about it. Yeah, I think I totally agree that

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<v Speaker 3>you would have been happy, and I think we both

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<v Speaker 3>would have been happy if say, us getting engaged should

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<v Speaker 3>come out in this really casual way of me turning

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<v Speaker 3>to and being like I want to marry you? Do

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<v Speaker 3>you want to get married? And you would have said yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think we would have been really happy and

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<v Speaker 3>then maybe we would have said, let's go pick out

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<v Speaker 3>a ring together and we would have had a fun

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<v Speaker 3>time of it. I want you to really imagine yourself, truly,

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<v Speaker 3>tell me how you would feel if I had done

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<v Speaker 3>a big proposal and I had gotten down on one

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<v Speaker 3>knee and proposed to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to get down on one nay.

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<v Speaker 2>See why why that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have cared. It would have been I think

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<v Speaker 1>you would have felt bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you would have been like, babe, get up,

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<v Speaker 2>I do It's.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a tradition like would you have called my

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<v Speaker 1>mom or dad? You know, would you have asked for

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<v Speaker 1>my hand in marriage because I called your mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Which again probably goes back to the like dowry and well, for.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure it goes back to we see it now arranged marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to marry your daughter. We would like

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<v Speaker 1>to unite the clan.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate the phrase asking for their permission. I hate

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<v Speaker 3>that phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>I do your blessing right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a much better take on it, because asking for

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<v Speaker 3>permission means like again that the woman is this property.

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<v Speaker 1>And I definitely did not ask your mom's permission. What

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<v Speaker 1>I said was, you know, I would like your blessing, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>She was so touched by her phone call. And I

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<v Speaker 3>do think that's a very beautiful thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing is that those traditions that I think

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<v Speaker 1>are very sweet and I hold dear. I meant a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to me to call your mom right before, because

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<v Speaker 1>I know that it may have gotten out on the

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<v Speaker 1>coconut Telegraph. I didn't want it to get ruined. But

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<v Speaker 1>would you have taken that step? Would you have called

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<v Speaker 1>my parents?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean maybe, well I would have called them to

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<v Speaker 3>give them a heads up. I think, yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think I would have called them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it would have been weird. Your mom would

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<v Speaker 1>have not been involved.

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<v Speaker 3>What's interesting is you know in this article gets to

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<v Speaker 3>this again, women are more financially independent than ever. We

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<v Speaker 3>want equality and relationships more than ever. We don't want

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying everybody, but overall, there's this movement away

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<v Speaker 3>from the man's the provider, the woman stays at home.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, this isn't a new movement, but as much

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<v Speaker 3>as we're going towards that, proposals have become more decadent

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<v Speaker 3>and over the top and still traditional than fu. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>people I guarantee you people spend more time and money

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<v Speaker 3>on proposals today than maybe ever before.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the more things change.

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<v Speaker 3>You need a photographer, you're supposed to have flowers, you're

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to throw a party after.

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<v Speaker 2>And have the family there and all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, two things, two schools of thought. Number One, there

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<v Speaker 1>is the social media aspect, right, people know it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen, they want to post it, they know

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<v Speaker 1>their significant other will probably want content. Again, did it

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<v Speaker 1>happen if you don't see it on Instagram? The other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, I think, and I found this on the

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<v Speaker 1>show when I was producing, the more things change in

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<v Speaker 1>this world, the more things we crave to stay the same,

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<v Speaker 1>the more we kind of lean on those traditions and

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<v Speaker 1>things where we kind of harken back to when things

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<v Speaker 1>were simpler, and a traditional proposal is like that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I always said the beauty of the Bachelor and Bacherette

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<v Speaker 1>was its simplicity. At the end of the day, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what happens social media, the craziness all that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a boy and a girl on a mountain, on a

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<v Speaker 1>beach and a air balloon in a submarine whatever, just

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<v Speaker 1>staring at each other hoping they love each other, and

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<v Speaker 1>that again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a girl. Yeah, staying in front of a

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<v Speaker 2>boy asking him to love her.

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<v Speaker 1>Notting Hill reference always works, but that is again you

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the Taylor Swift story. With this Travis

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<v Speaker 1>kelce guy. We want to believe in a good love story.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so simple. The superstar woman, the football player.

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<v Speaker 1>It's America. It takes us back. It's what we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to believe in Megan and Harry that we are now

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<v Speaker 1>so disillusioned by, and we're disappointed in. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>believe in those fairy tales, even though the things are

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<v Speaker 1>now getting so crazy on yeah, apps and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and maybe because the world's feeling a little dark,

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<v Speaker 3>it's nice to see some beautiful flowers in a gorgeous

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<v Speaker 3>proposal moment.

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<v Speaker 1>What would Swifties say and what would happen to the

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<v Speaker 1>world if Taylor Swift got down on one day and

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<v Speaker 1>proposed to Travis kelcey. Let's flash forward and say they're

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<v Speaker 1>madly in love, they've been dating and this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. We all see it coming a mile away.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's Taylor that proposes to Travis.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Swifties would love it, and it would totally

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<v Speaker 3>change the game and suddenly make it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay because she is a leader, and she is so empowered,

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<v Speaker 1>and she is the most powerful woman maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly in the world, definitely the most famous, and if

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<v Speaker 1>she did that, it would change the game. It's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>a whole generation of young girls would grow up saying, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know my former mother in law, who I'm

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<v Speaker 3>still very close with and I love, She's always been

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<v Speaker 3>a real ahead of her time thinker. She has been

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<v Speaker 3>saying this for years. I mean for years she's been

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<v Speaker 3>saying and she kind of did it in her own marriage,

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<v Speaker 3>and they've been together like thirty five years, if not longer.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she kind of said to him, like, let's

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<v Speaker 3>get married, and she's and saying for years. If women

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<v Speaker 3>want to take ownership of their lives, then why not

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<v Speaker 3>take ownership of the biggest decision in your life. A

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<v Speaker 3>piece of advice I heard not long ago was we

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<v Speaker 3>worry so much about where we're going to go to

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<v Speaker 3>college and what kind of job we're going to have.

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<v Speaker 3>The most important thing in your life, and studies show

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<v Speaker 3>that this is the biggest factor of happiness in your

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<v Speaker 3>life is the life partner. You choose who will you

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<v Speaker 3>spend your life with? That is more important than anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So why are women not taking a stand and getting

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<v Speaker 3>ownership in the deciding factor of the most important choice

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<v Speaker 3>of their.

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<v Speaker 2>Life, of the proposal of where it all starts?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, also a good mattress. Choosing who you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend your life with.

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<v Speaker 2>In a good mattress, the mattress a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>The two most important things long relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Good interior designers will tell you spend the most time

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<v Speaker 3>on your couch in your bed, So make good choices.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, I actually, I will say I think. Also

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<v Speaker 3>what could go away with proposals entirely for me is

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<v Speaker 3>the getting down on one kny thing. I don't need it.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels weird. I mean, I loved our moment, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm but I but our moment would have been just

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<v Speaker 3>as good if.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting there next to you. Sure, yeah, why are.

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<v Speaker 2>We still doing that? What does that even mean?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to go back again. It's got to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the knighthood.

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<v Speaker 3>And the do you know what's more romantic than getting

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<v Speaker 3>down on one knee? You looking me right in the eyes. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very excited for our vows because we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be standing there together, looking right at each other, having

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<v Speaker 3>that moment, looking each other right in the eyes and

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<v Speaker 3>declaring our love to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so romantic. The getting down on one knee thing,

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<v Speaker 2>It's there's nothing like. I don't know. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's needed. It's not needed.

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<v Speaker 3>I also when it comes to proposals, I support it.

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<v Speaker 3>I say women get to propose, and why not. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know I feel about engagement rings.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I love my ring.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I think people have gotten to the point

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<v Speaker 3>they are spending so much money on engagement rings, going

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<v Speaker 3>into debt for them at the end of the And

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<v Speaker 3>you're right about the social media thing. So much of

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<v Speaker 3>it is people want to post on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the ring. Here it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's good when the ring you're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to buy isn't reflective of the financial life you can

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<v Speaker 3>really live. Yeah, it's it's I don't know, Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Has it always been this way? Has it gotten worse?

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<v Speaker 1>No? There was that pressure the first time I went,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just I had no financial means, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am a very I've always as you know, I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>fiscally responsible and I live within my means. I've always

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<v Speaker 1>done that, and I think that's an important, the most

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<v Speaker 1>important lesson I could ever give financially. Live within your means.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't keep up with the jones is. You don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in someone else's life and how mortgage

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<v Speaker 1>they are to the hilt in debt and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So just live your life and live below your means.

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<v Speaker 1>When you can put your head down on your pillow

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<v Speaker 1>at night and close your eyes and rest peacefully because

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<v Speaker 1>you know you don't have that. Just live within your means.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the ring is another big aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>that by which you can buy. Yeah, well, wedding, don't

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<v Speaker 1>over extend yourself on a wedding, on a propose, on

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<v Speaker 1>any of that wedding culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Period's gone crazy. I don't mean to get like negative.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go on a run is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's negative. I think it's just smart.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's part of the reason why I didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to have a wedding planner. I am so excited for

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<v Speaker 3>our wedding. Yeah, I I want to throw a great party.

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<v Speaker 3>But we've had friends and I've seen how I think

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<v Speaker 3>when you have a wedding planner, like they're an artist

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<v Speaker 3>to some extent, right, Yeah, they want your wedding is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be part of their portfolio.

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<v Speaker 2>So they of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Want you to spend as much money as possible. They

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<v Speaker 3>want to, you know, make it big and blow it out,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're going to tell you need this, and you

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<v Speaker 3>need that. And everything to do with weddings is so overpriced.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a built in wedding fee. Think about a

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<v Speaker 3>dress you get for like a party or even you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you and I go to events, versus what you spend

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<v Speaker 3>on a wedding dress. The wedding dresses are just jacked

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<v Speaker 3>up price wise, they are every things jacked up.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was part of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Reason why I didn't want to have a wedding planner.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want the wedding to get so annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>We know, I don't care how much you talk to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else, a stranger. We know what's important to us.

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<v Speaker 1>We know where we do want to spend more money,

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<v Speaker 1>and it may not be the same for you. You may

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<v Speaker 1>be obsessed with flowers, and you want the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>to look like a botanical garden. That's great, that's you,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not Lauren and I. So it's like, what's important

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<v Speaker 1>to you? Where do you want that money spent? And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think when we have planned this wedding together,

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<v Speaker 1>it allows us to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let me circle back to the proposal thing, because

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought of another way to like, I'm when

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<v Speaker 3>we do these podcasts, I'm always trying to crack you

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<v Speaker 3>and see if you're if I really know how you feel,

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<v Speaker 3>or if you're really being honest. Your son, Josh, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll likely get married. How would you feel if you

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<v Speaker 3>if he called you and said, my girlfriend proposed to

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<v Speaker 3>me and we're engaged on fine?

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<v Speaker 2>I know I actually would love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I actually were too cool, Dad, I got that engaged.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you did? What would you do? She proposed

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<v Speaker 1>to me? I'm like, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's great about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Me and Ty. By the way, my daughter Taylor, if

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<v Speaker 1>she's the one that proposes to her husband, I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>so happy for her.

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<v Speaker 3>I think with Josh, I would feel like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad you're with a woman who loves you

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<v Speaker 3>that much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea.

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<v Speaker 2>And if Taylor proposed, I would say, hey, I love.

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<v Speaker 3>What an independent, strong woman you are for taking your

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<v Speaker 3>love into your own hands.

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<v Speaker 1>So our takeaway for this playbook shake.

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<v Speaker 2>It up, play by your own rules.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd shake it up. Yeah, like there are no rules anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Go do you? Obviously these things were born out of

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<v Speaker 1>ancient traditions that we no longer uphold. We're not living

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<v Speaker 1>that way in free society anymore, So be free, shake

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<v Speaker 1>it up. If you love somebody, take that leap of faith. Man, woman, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>go be happy. I've always said, if it floats your boat,

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<v Speaker 1>if it makes you happy and it's a direction you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go and you're not hurting anybody else, God

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<v Speaker 1>bless you. Go do that. We're going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>all over again. And Lauren's gonna propose to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not.

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