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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren's em coming to you from the

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Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas, where today we're talking about proposals.

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Speaker 1: Now I propose to Lauren, and I'll admit it was

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Speaker 1: beautiful and it worked. She said, Yes. There is a

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Speaker 1: tradition in a traditional old school marriage man and woman

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Speaker 1: that the man gets down on one knee and proposes.

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Speaker 1: It's what we were all brought up with Disney movies

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Speaker 1: and romantic movies being there in front of the Eiffel Tower,

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Speaker 1: the Empire State Building. All the industry was built on

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Speaker 1: the man proposing to the woman. Is that still a thing?

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Speaker 1: Should it be a thing? Why don't more women propose

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Speaker 1: to men? And it's something else that we talked about

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Speaker 1: a lot on the Bachelorette. The premise of the Bachelorette

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Speaker 1: in early days was let's flip the script. Let's put

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Speaker 1: the woman one hundred percent in control to the point

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Speaker 1: where she chooses the winner and then proposes. But what

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Speaker 1: we found, as much as we wanted that was the

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Speaker 1: man took over at the last minute, that the bachelorette.

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Speaker 2: Actually try to do it. You tried with which bachelorette.

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Speaker 1: Every bachelorette we wanted that.

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Speaker 2: Every single season, you tried to have the bachelorette propose.

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Speaker 1: We would have loved to have the bachelorette proposal.

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Speaker 3: So tell me how you tried, because it's not like

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Speaker 3: we've ever seen footage of the woman's about to go

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Speaker 3: down on one knee and the guy steps in.

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Speaker 2: We never saw that.

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Speaker 1: Trish, for example, the original Bachelorette, we knew it was

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Speaker 1: her and Ryan. Everybody knew it was her and Ryan.

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Speaker 1: We would have loved to have her propose that first

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Speaker 1: bachelorette would have been awesome. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: Trista hopeless from antic loved Ryan really wanted him to propose,

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Speaker 1: and we ran into that pretty much on every occasion

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Speaker 1: where the bacheorette said at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I want him to take this leap as well. I

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Speaker 1: want him to make this commitment and I want to

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Speaker 1: say yes.

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Speaker 2: And oh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I like that because it's like this has kind of

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Speaker 3: been on my terms, but I want him to have

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Speaker 3: some ownership here.

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Speaker 1: But it was funny that that's the way it went

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Speaker 1: for the bacheorette that's not how it goes for the Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: The bachelor was always in control and then they proposed.

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Speaker 3: True, why doesn't the woman? Maybe the woman should propose

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Speaker 3: on the Bachelor?

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean that, yeah, you should have to say, okay,

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Speaker 1: now I need you to choose me. But that still

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Speaker 1: never came into play ever on the Bachelor. It was

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Speaker 1: never even a question. So post that's the patriarchy? Is

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Speaker 1: that sexism? Is it? What is that the in us?

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Speaker 1: That it always ended up the same way. As much

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Speaker 1: as we actually tried to make it happen the other way,

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Speaker 1: we couldn't. And it's not that we couldn't. We could

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Speaker 1: have forced I guess that moment, but they didn't want that,

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Speaker 1: and we wanted to give them the moment that they do.

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Speaker 2: Did any bachelorette really want to do it?

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Speaker 1: I can't remember any bacheorette saying I want to propose.

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Speaker 1: I will propose.

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Speaker 3: So part of the reason we want to have this

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Speaker 3: discussion today is we saw this article in Time magazine.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of an opinion piece and the headline is

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Speaker 3: why don't more women propose? And the article gets into

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Speaker 3: look times, they are a change in women are more

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Speaker 3: financially independent.

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Speaker 2: Why is this still a thing.

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Speaker 3: And I think a huge part of it is just

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Speaker 3: sort of the like I think probably overall, women feel

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Speaker 3: it's romantic to be proposed to. They feel it it's

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Speaker 3: men showing effort. They feel it makes them feel loved

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Speaker 3: and special and caretaken.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like there's this old stigma that women

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Speaker 1: want this more than men, and men need to make

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Speaker 1: that leap of faith, they need to commit into the stigma.

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Speaker 2: I think that's very accurate.

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Speaker 3: Well, and if we really look into I could be wrong,

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Speaker 3: but from the light research I've done and it makes

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Speaker 3: sense to me. I think the whole reason men proposed

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Speaker 3: women used to be seen as property and that marriages

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Speaker 3: were about were very transactional and about you know, the

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Speaker 3: unions of houses or alliances. Yeah, like the arranged marriages

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Speaker 3: would unite houses and countries, and women were property and

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Speaker 3: their families would get a you know, a dowry for

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Speaker 3: So it's really very unromantic when you think about it

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Speaker 3: that way, that the idea of a proposal is rooted

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Speaker 3: in wartime alliances or business transactions and women being property.

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Speaker 1: But I think it has evolved into or dissolved into

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Speaker 1: the guy is the one that is hard to commit,

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Speaker 1: Like there's this again. I just think there's this tradition

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Speaker 1: that we all feel that the guy is the one

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Speaker 1: that needs to step up because you know, if a

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Speaker 1: woman proposes to him, oh, she's trapping him or she's

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Speaker 1: it's like, the connotation is different and it shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that's bullsh I think the whole

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Speaker 1: concept is complete, bs, And if you're in love, you

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Speaker 1: don't care. I would not have cared at all. If

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Speaker 1: you had taken me to NAPA and proposed to me,

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Speaker 1: I would have been so damn happy. I don't care

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Speaker 1: if it was us backwards forward.

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Speaker 3: No, Matt, Okay, hold on, I want you to really

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Speaker 3: think about it. Yeah, I think I totally agree that

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Speaker 3: you would have been happy, and I think we both

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Speaker 3: would have been happy if say, us getting engaged should

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Speaker 3: come out in this really casual way of me turning

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Speaker 3: to and being like I want to marry you? Do

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Speaker 3: you want to get married? And you would have said yes,

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Speaker 3: and I think we would have been really happy and

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Speaker 3: then maybe we would have said, let's go pick out

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Speaker 3: a ring together and we would have had a fun

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Speaker 3: time of it. I want you to really imagine yourself, truly,

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Speaker 3: tell me how you would feel if I had done

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Speaker 3: a big proposal and I had gotten down on one

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Speaker 3: knee and proposed to you.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to get down on one nay.

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Speaker 2: See why why that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have cared. It would have been I think

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Speaker 2: I think you would have been like, babe, get up,

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Speaker 2: I do It's.

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Speaker 1: There is a tradition like would you have called my

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Speaker 1: mom or dad? You know, would you have asked for

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Speaker 1: my hand in marriage because I called your mom.

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Speaker 2: Which again probably goes back to the like dowry and well, for.

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Speaker 1: Sure it goes back to we see it now arranged marriage.

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Speaker 1: I would like to marry your daughter. We would like

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Speaker 3: I hate the phrase asking for their permission. I hate

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Speaker 1: I do your blessing right.

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Speaker 3: That's a much better take on it, because asking for

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Speaker 3: permission means like again that the woman is this property.

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Speaker 1: And I definitely did not ask your mom's permission. What

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Speaker 1: I said was, you know, I would like your blessing, and.

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Speaker 2: She loved it.

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Speaker 3: She was so touched by her phone call. And I

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Speaker 3: do think that's a very beautiful thing.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing is that those traditions that I think

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Speaker 1: are very sweet and I hold dear. I meant a

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Speaker 1: lot to me to call your mom right before, because

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Speaker 1: I know that it may have gotten out on the

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Speaker 1: coconut Telegraph. I didn't want it to get ruined. But

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Speaker 1: would you have taken that step? Would you have called

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe, well I would have called them to

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Speaker 3: give them a heads up. I think, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: And then it would have been weird. Your mom would

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Speaker 3: What's interesting is you know in this article gets to

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Speaker 3: this again, women are more financially independent than ever. We

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Speaker 3: want equality and relationships more than ever. We don't want

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying everybody, but overall, there's this movement away

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Speaker 3: Of course, this isn't a new movement, but as much

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Speaker 3: as we're going towards that, proposals have become more decadent

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Speaker 3: people I guarantee you people spend more time and money

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Speaker 3: on proposals today than maybe ever before.

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Speaker 1: I think the more things change.

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Speaker 3: You need a photographer, you're supposed to have flowers, you're

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Speaker 3: supposed to throw a party after.

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Speaker 2: And have the family there and all these things.

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Speaker 1: Well, two things, two schools of thought. Number One, there

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Speaker 1: is the social media aspect, right, people know it's going

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Speaker 1: to be seen, they want to post it, they know

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Speaker 1: their significant other will probably want content. Again, did it

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Speaker 1: happen if you don't see it on Instagram? The other

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Speaker 1: show when I was producing, the more things change in

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Speaker 1: this world, the more things we crave to stay the same,

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Speaker 1: I always said the beauty of the Bachelor and Bacherette

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Speaker 1: matter what happens social media, the craziness all that there's

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Speaker 2: I'm just a girl. Yeah, staying in front of a

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Speaker 1: Notting Hill reference always works, but that is again you

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Speaker 1: go back to the Taylor Swift story. With this Travis

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Speaker 1: kelce guy. We want to believe in a good love story.

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Speaker 1: And it's so simple. The superstar woman, the football player.

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Speaker 1: It's America. It takes us back. It's what we wanted

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Speaker 1: to believe in Megan and Harry that we are now

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Speaker 1: so disillusioned by, and we're disappointed in. We want to

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Speaker 1: now getting so crazy on yeah, apps and all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe because the world's feeling a little dark,

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Speaker 3: it's nice to see some beautiful flowers in a gorgeous

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Speaker 3: proposal moment.

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Speaker 1: What would Swifties say and what would happen to the

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Speaker 1: proposed to Travis kelcey. Let's flash forward and say they're

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Speaker 1: madly in love, they've been dating and this is going

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Speaker 1: to happen. We all see it coming a mile away.

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Speaker 1: But it's Taylor that proposes to Travis.

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Speaker 3: I think Swifties would love it, and it would totally

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Speaker 3: change the game and suddenly make it.

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Speaker 1: Okay because she is a leader, and she is so empowered,

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Speaker 1: and she is the most powerful woman maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: possibly in the world, definitely the most famous, and if

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Speaker 1: she did that, it would change the game. It's interesting

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Speaker 1: a whole generation of young girls would grow up saying, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know my former mother in law, who I'm

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Speaker 3: still very close with and I love, She's always been

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Speaker 3: a real ahead of her time thinker. She has been

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Speaker 3: saying this for years. I mean for years she's been

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Speaker 3: and they've been together like thirty five years, if not longer.

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Speaker 3: I think she kind of said to him, like, let's

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Speaker 3: want to take ownership of their lives, then why not

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Speaker 3: I think, I actually, I will say I think. Also

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Speaker 3: Well, that's part of the reason why I didn't want

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Speaker 3: I just thought of another way to like, I'm when

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you did? What would you do? She proposed

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Speaker 1: So our takeaway for this playbook shake.

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Speaker 2: It up, play by your own rules.

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Speaker 1: We'd shake it up. Yeah, like there are no rules anymore.

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Speaker 1: it up. If you love somebody, take that leap of faith. Man, woman, whatever,

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Speaker 1: bless you. Go do that. We're going to do it

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