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Speaker 1: and GOLDNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and well, Matt, we'll get some news today

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Speaker 2: about the Steelers the AFC North and we talked about

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Speaker 2: this at the owners meetings.

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Speaker 3: I believe now you were on top of this quite

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Speaker 3: a while ago.

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Speaker 2: AFC North is going to be featured in the late

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Speaker 2: season Hard Knocks that I think it starts December third.

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Speaker 2: They'll start filming the different teams starting in November, I guess,

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks before they start airing the show,

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Speaker 2: and they'll be going back and forth between Cleveland and

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and Baltimore and Cincinnati. I guess that explains why

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Speaker 2: the AFC North schedule was so backloaded.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Steelers got run of it more than

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Speaker 3: any other team in the division. But obviously if there's

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Speaker 3: that many Steeler games in the second half of the

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Speaker 3: season against AFC North, well it's gonna be a ripple

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Speaker 3: effect too. And I guess I mixed feelings about it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, personally, I was kind of hoping we might

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Speaker 3: get our ugly mugs on in trading camp. You know,

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Speaker 3: everybody needs that. The HBO subscribers will go down drastically.

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Speaker 3: But is it gonna be a distraction for these teams.

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Speaker 3: Probably not. I'm sure these teams will manage it. They're

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Speaker 3: some of the best run organizations out there, with coaches

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Speaker 3: that have been around the block. You know, you insinuated

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Speaker 3: this months ago. This is gonna be the division people

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Speaker 3: want to see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's as they make note

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Speaker 2: of any in the in the release here. Last season,

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Speaker 2: the FC North was the first division to ever have

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Speaker 2: all four teams finished with a winning record.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Ever, Ever, that's crazy. Ever's a long time league

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Speaker 3: has been around for a while quite a bit, and

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of star power. You would hope that

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Speaker 3: all four teams or certain Steelers something similar. You're really competitive.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of brand name players of course,

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Speaker 3: I mean some Studley defensive players as well, So it

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Speaker 3: makes all sense in the world. And I've got the

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Speaker 3: impression just being around the team the Steelers aren't psyched

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Speaker 3: for training or you know, hard knocked Pittsburgh Steelers. But

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Speaker 3: if we can well they've avoided that.

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Speaker 2: There are rules in place to make sure that you know,

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Speaker 2: if you if I think it's you have to you

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Speaker 2: have to you can't have a new head.

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Speaker 3: Coach, okay, right, which I think is a good rule. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's hard, there's enough going on.

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Speaker 2: But you also, I think I think you have to

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Speaker 2: have been in the playoffs if or if you've been

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs the last couple of years, some stution.

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Speaker 3: They just keep avoiding it. They've been kind of dancing

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Speaker 3: around it. Yeah, I know that they're not super psyched

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Speaker 3: about it. No, No, I mean I don't think any

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Speaker 3: team really is. But I mean, I would assume there's

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Speaker 3: four camera crews. Though.

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Speaker 2: When this whole thing first started, the teams that wanted

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Speaker 2: sell tickets Jacksonville and yeah.

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Speaker 3: Places like Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're trying to create some excitement around your program.

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Speaker 3: Steelers don't need that. They don't need that, and they

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Speaker 3: they're just the way that they're The organization is built

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Speaker 3: and wired. They don't need any any more attention or

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Speaker 3: potential distractions or anything. We do the things the way

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Speaker 3: we do things. But as a viewer, I could see

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Speaker 3: it being pretty interesting if you have a camera in

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Speaker 3: you know, and without hoping hopefully telling the audience too much.

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Speaker 2: But well, I think the teams do get veto power

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Speaker 2: over what gets out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing's going

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Speaker 3: But you'll just I guess you'll see the intensity of

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Speaker 3: the week and oh a Traven's week at Steelers week,

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Speaker 2: Remember back in two this will be the Steelers' first appearance,

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Speaker 2: the Raps were the first team.

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Speaker 3: Were they really to be on Hard Knocks? Back in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and one, this was about to ask how

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Speaker 3: long has this been going on? And I was watching

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Speaker 2: I was texting back and forth with Bob Labriola about this,

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Speaker 2: the other AFC North teams just because you like to

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of background information on how those

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Speaker 3: I was into it, frankly, probably for about fifteen years,

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Speaker 3: But the ones during the season they've happened. There's only

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Speaker 3: too much like yesterday's news to me. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: could see why they're popular, but yeah, it was never

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Speaker 2: About has already completed, it was alread happened. I'm on

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Speaker 2: to the next one, you know. That's and that's the

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Speaker 2: way the teams have to be too.

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Speaker 3: We're in here on Monday breaking it down, right, and

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Speaker 3: the next Tuesday or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I like the training camp stuff, see what

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Speaker 3: and that kind of thing. But the end season stuff

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Speaker 3: for me isn't great, but I bet our listeners will

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Speaker 3: be all over it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for the end season stuff. I'm already there,

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Speaker 3: Like I could. I could write the story more than

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Speaker 3: I can. You're gonna show me. You know, Russell Wilson

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Speaker 3: I've seen this already. Yeah, you know Mike Tomlins press conference.

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Speaker 3: Well I'm there, yeah, you know, yeah, we've already broken

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Speaker 3: for me. So uh yeah. The Ravens were big information.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals were in a two thousand and nine and

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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, so pretty close together. Yeah, and then the

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Speaker 3: I say there was a Browns one recently, right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: so there you haven't The Steelers would be a big draw.

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Speaker 3: The North will be a big draw. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: That gets me to the you know, I hear a

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Speaker 3: And they have to do this, They have to do that.

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Speaker 3: Do people realize how good the division is? I know

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Speaker 3: in the conference, no joke, And the conference is not

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Speaker 3: it's ridiculous and the division's unbelievably hard. These aren't excuses, folks,

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Speaker 3: He's just facts. Yeah, that's reality. I'm sure you've given

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Speaker 3: be my pecking order when I picked the North. I

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Speaker 3: think I'm easy, I mean, pardon you. Just want to

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Speaker 3: take a four teams and shake him up and wherever

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Speaker 3: that right? I can make a case for all four.

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Speaker 2: I mean, history tells us that the team that won

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Speaker 3: And I thought Baltimore got hit the hardest in the

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Speaker 3: off season of the four teams. Yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 3: Like I can, I mean, I give seven divisions. Could

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Speaker 3: you make a case for all fourteen? You could realistically

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Speaker 2: Okay, I could make I could also make a case

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Speaker 3: of them to be off five and twelve, six and eleven.

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Speaker 3: But it also brings me back to the fact. I mean,

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Speaker 3: over the last eight years, I've cited this before, the

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Speaker 3: Chiefs are by far, by far the best team playing

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Speaker 3: I mean, or two and three. You're winning a high

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Speaker 3: three of your division games, right, and this one is

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Speaker 3: think a lot of national pundits will be like, how

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Speaker 3: does team get in the playoffs again. Well, that's a

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Speaker 3: pretty good start. I got asked that question.

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Speaker 2: Like, so, I was down at the Senior Bowl when

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Speaker 3: Can't remember who it was, but they how did how

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs again? I'm like, well, you know, you

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Speaker 3: go five and one in your division. Yeah, that that

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Speaker 3: for playoff spots, they get an l Yeah you know

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Speaker 3: you heard it's a double you help? Yeah, right exactly.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, those those AFC North games this year once

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Speaker 2: again will be extremely important.

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Speaker 3: And I guess that's you know, what hard Knocks is

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Speaker 3: that the schedule got manipulated for a little do a

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Speaker 3: at once. It's a little unfair to the teams. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: make your life a little harder. It'll be nice to

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Speaker 3: have a September a North game. Yeah, a October a

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Speaker 3: AFC North game. They all have to be the last

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Speaker 3: eight games the season. It seems like a flood. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's bound to happen to one of the four

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Speaker 3: that the second half of the season, your most important

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Speaker 3: just chances are and then you're really behind the eight ball.

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Speaker 3: That's if you're the one that the guy that happened

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in this division, that could be a deciding factor.

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Speaker 3: That could be a deciding factor. And that's just a

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Speaker 3: lot of chips in one basket. Maybe Steelers are playing

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, we're Los Angeles, pick you know, pick a

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Speaker 3: I never thought of that, But that is odd. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, the rules are the rules, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: Right, But when do you think they'll start popping up

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Speaker 2: Show starts December third, so it's going to be in November.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lawley. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 3: And we are back.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and Matt.

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Speaker 2: On his social media accounts today Brandon Ayuk put out

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Speaker 2: for people that don't know, Brandon Ayuk and Jade and

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Speaker 2: Daniels played together at Arizona Azon.

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Speaker 3: I was wondering.

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Speaker 2: Arizona Arizona Arizona.

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Speaker 3: State and Jade Daniels had six years of college, so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were there for for a while together and

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Speaker 2: Everybody's assuming we'll talk. That means the Niners and of

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Speaker 2: course Steelers social media. Yeahs oh, we gotta go get him,

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Speaker 3: He's coming to Pittsford just because if they.

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Speaker 2: Tell him, you know, hey, we're not going to do

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Speaker 3: They're in it to win it. They canna let this

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Speaker 3: We just mentioned the whole Jade and Daniels factor. Would

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Speaker 3: Washington be interested in Brandon Nyuk? I think they have

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Speaker 3: I mean, that would make a lot of sense to me.

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Speaker 3: Dot Okay, let's talk about their team a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I really really like McLaurin. I think he's one of

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Speaker 3: Where I'm going with this is if I was a Steelers,

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Speaker 2: Try to make some kind of three way deal.

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Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin is now twenty nine m h.

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Speaker 2: Next year he's under contract for fifteen point twenty five

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Speaker 3: I'd say I'm from just a strictly Steelers perspective. If

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Speaker 2: In fact, you know, if they traded for him, you

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Speaker 3: But Clorin's better, and he's also more physical and a

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Speaker 3: they have three starters that are highly questionable right now. Yeah,

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00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 3: I mean they have the center that they signed from

436
00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 3: the Oddish and cause me, he's a good young guard.

437
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 3: The rest of their line is problematic. Like folks, every

438
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 3: mock draft you'll see of the Commanders is probably going

439
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 3: to be the best left tackle in the draft. That

440
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 3: type of.

441
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 2: Thing, right now, it's well, they were the team that

442
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 2: had Cornelius Lucas as he listed starter problem who could

443
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 2: walk in here right now punch me in the face. Well, first,

444
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: first of all, he hurt me because being a left tackle,

445
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: I assume he's over three hundred pounds. Secondly, though I

446
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,959
Speaker 2: would i'd say who did that?

447
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 3: It was that guy? And the right tackle is another

448
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 3: kid from l s U. Charles. I think or he

449
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 3: might be a guard. They got Andrew Wiley there, right, Yeah,

450
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 3: they signed him for the Chiefs. They still have.

451
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 2: Trent Scott, Like, it's not like they could change.

452
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 3: They could use him. Able bodies and damn more's cheap, right,

453
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 3: that's yeah. Yeah, and young and young and experience.

454
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: Young and yeah, plenty of experience, like you could you

455
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 2: could get some value there.

456
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 3: No, I think that. I think that's like best case scenario.

457
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure there's people out there going well

458
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 3: wold excueers just give a first round pick for Ayuk.

459
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 3: I could understand that too, because it's going to it's

460
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 3: also going to cost you thirty million's double dipping. I mean,

461
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 3: it's going to be thirty and a first and yes,

462
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Ayuk the McLaurin for the next three years.

463
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's kind of overkill.

464
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 3: It's yeah, I mean in terms of I don't know

465
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 3: that in my first round picks on the table for anything,

466
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 3: if I'm the Steelers. Yeah, I mean, just because you

467
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 3: know the quarterback situation, right, that's the.

468
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: Thing you don't want to give up picks, you know,

469
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: for for the future, because you might you don't know

470
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 2: what you're doing at quarterbacks.

471
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it was Ben in his prime, absolutely, Yeah,

472
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 3: Well we could talk. I know he's gonna be back

473
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 3: for the next five years. Okay, we can talk. But

474
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

475
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'd be very interested in that. I'd be

476
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: you know, i'd be kicking that around and uh but again.

477
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 3: I don't know that.

478
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: San Francisco, and we've talked about this plenty is in

479
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 2: the market to move ayuk, unless you know suddenly goes

480
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: you know what you got to be If you don't

481
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 2: want me to hear this right, yeah, you don't want

482
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 2: to give me an extension, trade me, Trade me to

483
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: somebody that does want me.

484
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 3: We've seen Smith Waddle, Saint Brown et cetera, et cetera

485
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: sign right in my front of my face here, and

486
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 3: you guys aren't willing to do those type of deals,

487
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 3: Saint Brown being the most comparable one in my opinion.

488
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: Well then I'm done. Yeah, this has been going on

489
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: long enough. I want to get into They got this

490
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 3: little stint before training camp, moved me, moved me somewhere. Yeah,

491
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: and real quick on the Niners. The Niners could make you.

492
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 3: You can play hardball, make him play out this contract,

493
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 3: even franchise them after the year. I mean, you're getting

494
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 3: Harry at that point. Yeah, I mean, it's it's not

495
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: great for the locker room. But they also, I'm sure

496
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: everyone remembers they drafted Pearsall in the first round, but

497
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 3: not only that, they drafted one in the third ROUNDE.

498
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: And they extended and they said to Jennings who they love,

499
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: and they gave McCaffrey an extension too, who And if

500
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: you saw the receiver, yeah, they they've talked about in

501
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 3: future years McCaffrey becoming more of a slot receiver type

502
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: or a debo type. Yeah, yeah, right, and just saving them.

503
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: And my hunch is, I bet the deebo market is

504
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: a little cooler than the Niners thought, Like, I bet

505
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: that's the one they wanted to move with all these

506
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: deals and people are probably offering them a fourth or

507
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 3: a third and they thought they could have got a

508
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: one or two. That's not going to happen, and so

509
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: iuker Debo has to move. Maybe not this year, but

510
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 3: by this time next year they both won't be Niners.

511
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I can promise you at least one of

512
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 3: the two for sure, one of them they both won't

513
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: be niners. One of them will be That's what I mean,

514
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: one of the two will be gone. Yeah.

515
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's something to keep an eye on here,

516
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 2: you know, because you look at that, uh you know,

517
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 2: Washington also drafted Luke McCaffrey.

518
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: They got Diami Brown, right right, McLaurin could move on. Yeah, so.

519
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: That's something to kick around. Just keep that in the

520
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: back of your mind.

521
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's a good one. I mean because again,

522
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: Washington not the mclaurin's ever been a problem child. But

523
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: I think they just want to sweep all history clear

524
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 3: clean of where what they took over from an ownership

525
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: coaching perspective, and frankly, I think mclaurin's more the answer

526
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: than the problem. But by the time they're good, is

527
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 3: he still going to be good? That's the problem, you right?

528
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yes, he would help Jayden Daniels upisode

529
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 2: at Ayuk.

530
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they have a relationship. And I forgot about

531
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: the McCaffrey pick. They drafted him higher than I expected. Yeah,

532
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: I mean he's going to be the slot. Ayuk could

533
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 3: be the one. I mean I almost feel like after

534
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: drafting McCaffrey, if they were to trade for Ayuk, they

535
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: have to move somebody. I mean, then you got four,

536
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: would you be interested in Dotson at a lesser price?

537
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, I mean I think he's you're buying

538
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: low on him right now. Absolutely, his stock is much lower,

539
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: at least than like the fantasy public eye, than it

540
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 3: should be in my opinion. His tape is good. I

541
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: mean he's a small I think he's a lifetime too. Yeah,

542
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: but that's fine. That's people think that that's an insult.

543
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 3: It's not at all.

544
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: I mean he had forty nine catches for five hundred

545
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: and eighteen yards and four touchdowns last year in a

546
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: down year, in an awful quarterback.

547
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: Situation, and it was a protection as much as a quarterback. Yeah.

548
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 3: I mean there was a sack after sack and frankly,

549
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: it was not a very well designed offense. And he's

550
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: going into year three. Yeah. He was in the same

551
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: draft as George Pickens. Yeah, so he would you'd have

552
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: him his first round. He was the first rounder. So

553
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: he had the fifth year option. Yes, so you'd have

554
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 3: three and four years no matter what. Yeah, and you

555
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: have a year to decide on the fifth. Yeah, that's

556
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: attractive as well too. I mean if you don't pick

557
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 3: up the fifth or have any intention of picking it up. Yeah,

558
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: it's harder to do than ever, He's still probably a

559
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 3: very useful player for you, And I would again, I would,

560
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 3: I would dangle Dan Moore out there to them and stead. Yeah,

561
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: how about Dan more in a four? Maybe that's really

562
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: attract That's actually might even be more attractive, right because

563
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: of the agent. Contract's going to be low. Yeah, I

564
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 3: mean it won't be Isis mclaurin's, but none of the

565
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 3: contract stuff.

566
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: I mean basically with with with Dotson and more, you're

567
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: basically flipped up in contracts.

568
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: I imagine that they're pretty similar. One the first rounder

569
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: and one's a third round or fourth round or fourth

570
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: round in his front.

571
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going into his fourth season, so he's probably

572
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: you know, making two yeah yeah.

573
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So no, I'd be very interested in both those players.

574
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: You're not gonna move McCaffrey, No.

575
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: They're not going to do that, yeah, you know, and

576
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: the other guys on their rosters, Jamison Crowder and guys

577
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: like that.

578
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in. No, No, or even to Tommy Brown,

579
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 3: he's not quite really hit almighty a Zekias. You know,

580
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: guys like that I'm not interested in. But but I'll

581
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: think when they're top two, Yeah, they make a deal

582
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: for to get you know, to to go.

583
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: Get McLaurin, and then Dotson becomes expendable.

584
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And and who knows. I mean, we're basing

585
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 3: this all off a tic tac TikTok. Yeah. I mean

586
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: the whole thing is speculation from the start, of course,

587
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: and he could obviously just be doing this to try

588
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 3: to drum up a contract and you know, put their

589
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: feet to the fire a little bit, and and that

590
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: it might work, I mean, hopefully for him, but who knows.

591
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I do think there will be more receiver

592
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: movement around the.

593
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: League, though I do too, just because of the contracts

594
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: that are being given out and guys aren't you know.

595
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: T Higgins just signed his his franchise deal, so now

596
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: he does have to show.

597
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: Up a training camp. But now they could officially trade

598
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: him too. But they could do that. I don't think

599
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: they will. I don't think they will, but I think

600
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: he'll be a free agent after the year. Seattle keeps

601
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: coming to mind to me, Yeah, Lockett's a good one.

602
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: Lockett's a good one because.

603
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: I keep reading stuff about the how they want Smith

604
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: and Jig but to have a much bigger role, which

605
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: they should, they should.

606
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: They deserve it. And again there's a new regime in

607
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: place there as well. They may not see Lock at

608
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: the same and or much like McLaurin, Hey, you were

609
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: a great player for us, but by the time we're

610
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: good again, you won't be. Yeah. And is Lock going

611
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: to be happy being taking a back seat to Smith

612
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: and Jig? Probably not. And and their cap situation is awful.

613
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: Washington has tons to spend, Seattle's got nothing, Yeah, you know.

614
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: And I don't know if they moved k but it'd

615
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: be a lot.

616
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, And people are speculating about that. I

617
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: just don't see that happening.

618
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 3: He's also a little redundant with Pickens, which is terrible.

619
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: Like I want to make Williams here is a big downfield,

620
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 3: go up and get a power guy, but actually he's

621
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: not even practicing yet. But a guy like a dots

622
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: In or a Lockett that's shiftier and do the chain

623
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: site does different stuff would be very appealing, more of

624
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: the Deonte type. And mclaurin's kind of all the above. Yeah,

625
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: really is it really is?

626
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: I mean he's not that far off from Mayuk.

627
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: No, no, not to this stage. I bet Iyuk's the

628
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: better player going forward, brighter future. Yeah, just because of age.

629
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: But McLaurin has had a ton of injuries. He has

630
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: not slowed down at all. He's been hindered by his environment.

631
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 2: He's produced despite the environment.

632
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: Big time, Yeah, big time. Absolutely, I'd be very interested

633
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: in mc claurin. Absolutely. He's not gonna cost you a one.

634
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think so either. Uh, let's get

635
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,320
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Speaker 2: can visit online at shop dot Steelers dot com. We

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00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: should have mentioned that last week when it did the

649
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: read for Father's Day. I completely dropped the ball on

650
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, well, you're never too late.

651
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: No one gave me anything for Father's Day. I'm sure

652
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: there's somebody else out there that got a lump of

653
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: coal for Father's Day. Go take care of your dad.

654
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: I got my oldest son and I we coached a

655
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: baseball game in the morning. Then he came to the

656
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: house with a.

657
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: Bunch of stakes later in the day. Wow, it was nice.

658
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: You raised him right, I did, and then he cooked them.

659
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: Andy cooked and he cooked them. Wow. That's the first

660
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: steak I've had since my surgery. I wasn't sure that

661
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: it was gonna work. It was nice or anything. It

662
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: took me quite a while to eat it, but I better.

663
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: It tastes like gold. Oh, fantastic, Like yeah, fantastic meat.

664
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: You know just how I like? You like him nice

665
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: and rare. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, good

666
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: thinking by him. Absolutely something right there, Yeah, something what

667
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: I did with my kid. I actually did a free

668
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: per manny sandwich we've been doing every Father's Day. There's

669
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: four of us will go out and we hit that

670
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: up double meat. They don't even care. Wow, I did

671
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: not know that. I don't even care. Right, had a

672
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: couple of libations to help, a second sandwich on top.

673
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: Just keep loading them up. Uh But yeah, so you

674
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: know with the with training camp now a little over

675
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: a month out, get your Steelers gear. Yeah, I get

676
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: your Steelers gear, training camp gear.

677
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: The training camp I found in my I wore this

678
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: to uh so in two thousand and six.

679
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: For the two thousand and.

680
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: Six training camp, we stay in at dorms out at

681
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: Saint Vision College, and for some reason.

682
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: Usually they don't give us all the gear and stuff.

683
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: That's fine. I never I never wanted that. I could

684
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: never wear it before because I didn't work for the team, okay,

685
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: and I just never cared about you know, I really

686
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: don't know any sports related. People would think you have

687
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: closets and closets full of Steelers gear, but you wouldn't.

688
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: I'm starting to accumulate it now, but.

689
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they make me wear shirts and stuff

690
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: when you do videos and things like that. But I

691
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: never partook in any of that stuff because I'm covering

692
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: the team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know quite I

693
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: didn't grow up a Steelers fan.

694
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: You watched the game because they were on you, but

695
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: I was always a Lions fan. A large portion of

696
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: my Steelers gear came from Dix and you know, somebody

697
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: paid for probably me, you know, until the last few years. Yeah. Mean,

698
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: it's been a lot floating since then.

699
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: But I found a hat I think think I actually

700
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: gave it to my dad and it was a two

701
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: thousand and six training camp hat that had you know,

702
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: Steelers World champions on it. Okay, And I'm like, you know,

703
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: when when my father died it must have been ten

704
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: years now, my mother gave me back some of those

705
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: things that I had given him over the years.

706
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: It makes sense, And that was one of the hast

707
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: that I was.

708
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: I was looking for a hat last week to wear

709
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: too mini camp and I'm like, ah about this was

710
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: a nice white hat has a steel you know. So

711
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: where that one out last week?

712
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: And very cool? Well things like that. Yeah, I am

713
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: planning a vacation. We mentioned this is when I only

714
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: show the week got some Steeler gear pack. So if

715
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: you see me, happen to be floating around the beaches

716
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: on turks and caicos and some Steeler shirts. Come stay

717
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: alone and we'll have a cold one. There you go.

718
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: We will do shows the rest of this week. Yes,

719
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: I have I have a special guest coming in the city.

720
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say who it is.

721
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: It'll be a surprise in my chair for at least

722
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: two episodes. And so it's not cheating if I tell

723
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: you I know the answer, but I don't want to.

724
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: I don't want people to think that I'm cheating, right

725
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: or right. Yeah, it's funny when you told me that

726
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 3: you are to keep doing shows. I thought I'm going

727
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: to listen to my first ever episode of the Drive.

728
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: I've never heard what's going on? Right, I mean, sitting

729
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: on the beach or on the plane or whatever. I'm

730
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: definitely gonna listen to the Drive. Never listen to one,

731
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: and you to learn listen, I never listen anything I do. Yeah,

732
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: I don't either.

733
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: Hey, I hate listening to my voice because I sound

734
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: like an idiot, and you.

735
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: Know I don't learn anything from Yeah, right, absolutely.

736
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: Uh So, Anyways, if you saw over the weekend, Cam Hayward.

737
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: Threw out there with Mark Coboli the athletic that.

738
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: If he can't get something done with the Steelers, his

739
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: wife's from Cleveland, and maybe he go join the Browns.

740
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: And of course some people freak out about that negotiating.

741
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: You know, something, something will get done. Here.

742
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: I did see uh somewhere, I can't remember where now.

743
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: I was looking around and said, well, you know the

744
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: the Eagles, well, Fletcher Cox. You know they didn't pay

745
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: he was only making ten million dollars at the end.

746
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: And you know, it's arguing, you could arguably say he's

747
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: been the better player than Cam Hayward.

748
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, are you out of your mind? Y, especially

749
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: not lately. I mean, was a good player, a very

750
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: good player.

751
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: Right early in his career, he was the better player

752
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 2: than Cam Hayward, no doubt, no doubt. Over the last

753
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: seven or eight years he has not been the better player.

754
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: And he's still been a fine player. He's going to

755
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: be an Eagles fixture, just like the Steeler. I mean,

756
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: like his number may go in the rafters someday in Philadelphia.

757
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: I mean, an all time favorite. But he's been I mean,

758
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: they've they've had so many d linemen.

759
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: He's a part time he's a cog in the in

760
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: the machinery. He's not you know, he's not the right

761
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: and Hayward is still that.

762
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and yeah, I mean Cox would have been

763
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: useful for any team, But I don't think that's a

764
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: comp at their same ages.

765
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: No, not at all, right, not at all. I think

766
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: he has gotten better in his thirties, damn. Yeah, yeah,

767
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: because his game is I mentioned this is my five

768
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: for Friday a couple of weeks ago. His game is

769
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: predicated strictly on power technique and that that lasts.

770
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: You know, deep into your thirties. It's not going anywhere coxes.

771
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 3: If they walked in the room, they'd probably look similar.

772
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: But Cox was more of a outside should of the

773
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: guard three technique explode up the field and turned into

774
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: some old band game. But when he lost that initial quickness,

775
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: that was devastating. Oh he gave David castro fits. Oh yeah,

776
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: I bet, I bet, yeah, I mean everybody all guards. Yeah,

777
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: there was a point where people thought he was only

778
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: behind Aaron Donald and exactly for two or three. But

779
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: it's that's been eight years since a lot Yeah, right,

780
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: so he's that an old man game since. But not

781
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: like Cam's no no canrotational fifth.

782
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean when they come up for consideration to the

783
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, Cam will get more stronger. He is

784
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: a much strong like Fletcher Cox. I think was all

785
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: for once.

786
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: Really that sounds about Cam Hayward's been all pro four

787
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: times and again. I think he'll go in the Ring

788
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: of Honor or whatever. Yeah, he's very good, all time

789
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: great him and Brandon Graham and you know those guys.

790
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: He retired. Cox is done. Maybe they could come back

791
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: at Layton Camp or one of those type of deals. Yeah,

792
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: I mean he's Cam's story is still being very much.

793
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: Written, absolutely, and I expect I don't think he'll be

794
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: a Brown.

795
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so either.

796
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: And I think he you know, all the people out

797
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: there putting doubt on him, I think motivates him. Sure,

798
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: and you know he is a very very proud guy.

799
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: I would expect him to have a very an excellent

800
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: season this year.

801
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: I would too. I mean it's a perfect one of

802
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 3: who do you thinks to pull himself up by their

803
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: bootstraps more than him? You know, to go and gets tough.

804
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: You notice, I mean he grew up in Atlanta, right,

805
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: He didn't mention the Falcons. I mean kind of a

806
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: strategic call.

807
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: Thereby, nobody's gonna want to see Cam Hayward in a

808
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: Browns jersey.

809
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: Of course, we don't. Nobody wants to see that. But

810
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: someone also asked me, like, do you think Cam's doing

811
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: some of this because the players Association and he's the

812
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: man of the Year and he's so respected around the

813
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: league that he should at least say some things for

814
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: the players. I'm like, yeah, maybe, you know. I mean,

815
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: I don't think that team or player is really turned

816
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: out his long term future in Pittsburgh. I'm assuming it

817
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: just gets done.

818
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he's also said that, he said multiple times

819
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: he wants to be a one helmet guy. Yeah, he

820
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: wants to and he wants to play three more years. Well,

821
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: to play three more years, the Steelers would have to

822
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: tack on two more years. And people worth say, well,

823
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: you can't pay him as a top five defensive tackle,

824
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: And I don't know that's right.

825
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think that's what he's looking for. No,

826
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna get Jeffrey Simmons, Quinn Williams.

827
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: No, but I think he wants fair market value.

828
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, for his age, for his age and what he is,

829
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: he's not gonna he's not gonna go out there and

830
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: play for five million dollars a year. No, no, no, no.

831
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: I don't think he'll get Christian Wilkins on the open

832
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: market money. I mean, nor should.

833
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be. It's not gonna be twenty five

834
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: million dollars a year.

835
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: No, maybe it'sake, yeah, which is fine. Kalais Campbell just

836
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: signed last week with the Dolphins, and I think Khalais

837
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 3: Campbell's much. I think he's on hole eighteen, you know.

838
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: I mean like, I think cam has a lot more

839
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: in the tank than Campbell. And Campbell's been sitting out

840
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: there all off season as a free agent, and he

841
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: also went to the U, so I don't know if

842
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: he grew up in Miami, but he has big time

843
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: Miami ties. And he's also been on a couple of teams,

844
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: you know, in a couple of years lately too. But

845
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: I don't think that's gonna be a jumping out and

846
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 3: you're not gonna get him for Kalais Campbell money, which

847
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: I did. Haven't seen his newest contract, but it's not

848
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: for a time.

849
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: Well, so at age thirty, five with the When he

850
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: signed a deal with the Ravens at thirty four, he

851
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: got fifteen. His earnings were fifteen million at age thirty five.

852
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: Two years ago. That was three years ago, three years ago. Okay,

853
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: that's a better comp the three year ago version of

854
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: Kalais Campbell.

855
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: He is fifteen ten and then six point five. He

856
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: made seven last year. Yeah, with the foul.

857
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: I haven't seen what the deal. I haven't seen the

858
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: Dolphin deal either, But you're not gonna get You're not

859
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 3: gonna get Cam for that.

860
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: No, But at one point Klais Campbell in twenty twelve

861
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: was making seventeen million dollars. Yeah, that was a that

862
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: was might have been, you know, the most of any

863
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: defensive lineman in the league at that point.

864
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: And I think that's a reasonable area to look at.

865
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: You know, Campbell's older than Cam. They both happen to

866
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: be Walter Payton Men of the Year. Cam's worth more

867
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: now than Campbell's worth now. Yeah, I don't know that

868
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 3: he's worth more now than Campbell was when he's making

869
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 3: seventeen a year. But there's also inflation in the caps

870
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: on absolutely yes about the number. I think you should

871
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: you know, start to bring it to the table. They'll

872
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: get something worked out here.

873
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: I'm not concerned about The Steelers want him, as you know,

874
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: to be Yeah, they don't want to get rid of him.

875
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: They don't want him out of the building. No, he is.

876
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: You know, you talk to some of the younger players

877
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: in that locker room, they're like, oh, no, he's the captain. Yeah.

878
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: I mean he obviously already has a relationship with Russell

879
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: Wilson and even before the he came here and all

880
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: that good stuff too. So I mean I think he's

881
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: here to stay. Yeah, I do too. And you know

882
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: when he you know, he was talking about it, you know,

883
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 3: and Mike Tomlin even said, you know they talk daily. Yeah, yeah,

884
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: you know they think they're I think they're into even when.

885
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 2: He wasn't in the building, they were talking to even

886
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: when he was sitting out some of the OTA sessions.

887
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: He talked about he's like I was watching the film

888
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: from practice and given guys tips.

889
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: He's as much in yeah as he always has been.

890
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: Not surprising in the least to me. And I do

891
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: think he's up for a rebound year and maybe takes

892
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: some I don't know that he's ever going to be

893
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: the nine hundred or one thousand Snap guy that he

894
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: was at one point. He can be eight hundred, but

895
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: it's seven hundred, eight hundred and maybe a little more.

896
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: A little less is more with him, Yeah, especially if

897
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: a Benton steps up or one of the young guys,

898
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: can you know, eat up Snaps or Lowry or somebody

899
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 3: like that too. It's a good situation for him. But

900
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: I can't imagine he plays elsewhere next year. No, nor

901
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 3: do I right. I mean maybe if it's twenty twenty

902
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: seven and I want to do one more year and

903
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: they don't think he can play anymore, but that's a

904
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: million years away.

905
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even see that happen. I mean again,

906
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: he's he stated that he wants to go three more.

907
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: I think he wants to try to get to a

908
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: hundred career of sex and he also liked to win

909
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl.

910
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's got a lot of

911
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: best maybe not necessarily in that order, like he wants

912
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: to as closes he to one hundred, I think he

913
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: needs like nineteen. It's not a guarantee if over three years.

914
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: But it's certainly reachable, reachable, you know, if he has

915
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: a season like he had two years ago where he

916
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: gets double digits, and if you look at his the

917
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: way he has played the last you know.

918
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: The last five years or so, oh he has. I

919
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: think he has more sacks since he turned he's at

920
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: that level, then he'll definitely get it.

921
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know if you look at it at age.

922
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: He had his first double digit sax season at twenty eight.

923
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: Okay, that's when he started to really hit his stride.

924
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: Then he had eight nine only four and twenty twenty.

925
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: But holding was legal that year.

926
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: No, that was the COVID crazy year. Yeah, so holding

927
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: was legal that year.

928
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: Bounced back in twenty twenty one with ten, ten and

929
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 2: a half in twenty two, and then last year only

930
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: the two sacks playing on one leg.

931
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but yeah, he's at eighty and a half

932
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: sacks right now. If he can get eight eight was

933
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: the numbers. I was about to say it. If you

934
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 3: get eight out of them this year, everybody's happy. Oh yeah,

935
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: yeah again a little bit less snapcount. Get two, I

936
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: mean three years sounds like a lot. Seems ambitious to

937
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: me as we sit here right now coming off the season.

938
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: He did, but I might be in week two going,

939
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: oh you know he's he'll be all right. I mean

940
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 3: he does have that old man game. I mean I

941
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: remember when Patrick Peterson sat down with us, he did

942
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: a bunch of homework on corners that play thirteen years.

943
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 3: I think it was he needed two more and I'm thinking, eh,

944
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: maybe you can get there, Pat, Pat, But not easy.

945
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: It's not easy because that your game a cornerback is

946
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: predicated on speed right right right, Whereas you know he

947
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: can still lock out that arm better than anybody in

948
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: the league. Yeah, I mean that that that arm lock

949
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: that he doesn't just walk the guard back to the

950
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: to the quarterback is devastating. No, I mean, you know

951
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: he does it to Quentin Nelson.

952
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: You know these guys you're just not ready for that.

953
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: You can't practice against that. Yeah. I remember we had

954
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: this conversation that it was with the combine with Max Starks,

955
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: who's an old lineman, saying, yes, that's he's the only

956
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: one does that move. But most guys, I can chop

957
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: their arm down and it's not a steel bar. You know,

958
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: it will bend a little, or I can at least

959
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: gain something hacking down on that that strong arm. You know,

960
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: one arm move that he does or a two arm,

961
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: and Cam doesn't flinch with that.

962
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: No, he's just and that of course, just so strong. Yeah,

963
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: such a such a power player that, no, he.

964
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: Should last for a bit, you know. Yeah, but again,

965
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: I think this is stuff to talk about in mid

966
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: June that will be very irrelevant when we're just talking

967
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: about opening Day and things like that. Oh yeah, I

968
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: think he'll be locked up. Yeah I do. I do

969
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: as well.

970
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: Let's get to another break that's going to do it

971
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: for our number one of the drive today. We'll be

972
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: back with our number two. Don't you go anywhere right

973
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: after this