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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the

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Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are here. That makes

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Speaker 4: this the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 4: back to our weekly listener mail program. Folks, if you

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Speaker 4: are tuning in the evening this publishes, we proudly join

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Speaker 4: you on Thursday, November sixth, just a day after Guy

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Speaker 4: Fox Day. Remember remember the fifth of November, gunpowder, trees

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Speaker 4: and plot. We see no reason why gunpowdered treason should

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Speaker 4: ever be for good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I forgot it. It was yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Dang right, we're recording this on November fourth.

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Speaker 2: So Yo, where am I? What is this? What am

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Speaker 2: I trapped in this thing?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: I hope I've got I've got an issue for all

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Speaker 4: our fellow conspiracy realists right now, as we've returned from

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Speaker 4: the High Seas, as we're exploring so many strange and

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Speaker 4: bizarre allegations of things. Guys, I've got a lot of roots,

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Speaker 4: but I don't have any vegas Tennessee. Can you help

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Speaker 4: us out. We got the roots, we need some bagas.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Actually this sound's a little different. Do you remember when

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Speaker 6: DVDs had trailers at the beginning?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: Like that you had to watch and there's nothing you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that I kind of find myself in that situation.

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Speaker 6: This weekend, I was going through some old ones and

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Speaker 6: I found my copy of Monkey Bone with Brendan Fraser. Oh,

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Speaker 6: and I saw this trailer and I just ripped the

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Speaker 6: audio because it sounds familiar and I wanted to see

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Speaker 6: if you remember it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, every goat player reindeer games.

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Speaker 3: In a world obsessed with lugumes.

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Speaker 4: Well, I can't get enough of these chickpeas.

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Speaker 3: One hacker isn't brave enough to eat root vegetables.

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Speaker 2: Hello, downloading three megabytes of rude vegas now.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's about to dig up a conspiracy de

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Speaker 3: wil shock the world. Well, president has been compromised.

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Speaker 4: If he's going to destroy all the beans.

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Speaker 3: And only he can stop it from happening.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, I'm in the main frame.

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Speaker 5: But he's gonna have to learn to love cyber lugumes

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Speaker 5: along the way.

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Speaker 2: I cannot download another glima.

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Speaker 7: Bean right now.

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Speaker 2: Cubson Centauri is Rudebaka man in Lugume Breach.

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Speaker 6: The new thriller by director Don Parmesan come into sears

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Speaker 6: because this concept makes zero sense.

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Speaker 4: Poetry take up aside Shakespeare. Thank you so much, Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to everybody who tunes into our weekly listener mail,

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Speaker 4: if only for our Route Bega updates. It is our

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Speaker 4: favorite part of this program. We are not going to stop.

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Speaker 4: It is part of our blood covenant with our corporate overlords.

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Speaker 4: We are going to hear a lot of a listener

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Speaker 4: mail because there was some stuff, guys, there was some

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Speaker 4: stuff we needed to follow up on from our time abroad.

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Speaker 4: So let's say we take a break for a word

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Speaker 4: starting with the FDA.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned with the aforementioned communication regarding the

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Speaker 3: Food and Drug Administration. Drug Administration communication coming to us

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Speaker 3: from Sarah was me Hi, guys, big fan of your

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Speaker 3: show and also a fan of pro public a journalism

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Speaker 3: us too. Sarah was me a pair of recent articles

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Speaker 3: cover your ass. I know, highly technical legal jargon here,

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Speaker 3: It goes, they didn't want you to do anything that

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Speaker 3: and the article is entitled is your medication made in

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Speaker 3: the headline, and this is I was mistaken. They're talking

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Speaker 3: into some highlights from the larger piece. Huge thanks to you,

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Speaker 3: Sarah was me for turning us onto this. I read

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Speaker 3: going to jump right into some highlights hidden drug names.

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Speaker 3: For decades, the FDA has blacked out the names of

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Speaker 2: So that's really weird to me. This is the concept

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Speaker 2: but then they just they're saying they hide the names

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Speaker 3: That's right, patients in the dark. The practice has prevented patients, doctors,

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Speaker 2: So okay, So in listening to that list of problems

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Speaker 2: Like is there something to measure?

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Speaker 3: We can't know because we don't know where they came from.

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Speaker 3: They won't tell us. I don't. There isn't anything mentioned

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Speaker 3: it out. Doctor Janet Woodcock, who's the head of drug

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Speaker 3: there's still significant hurdle that can prevent patients from knowing

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Speaker 3: a good place to leave it. Ben, I'd love to

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Speaker 3: it led to the creation of OSHA and workplace oversight

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much, Sarah was me for support

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Speaker 4: to our show and for contacting us with a story

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Speaker 4: that I agree needs to be more in the public sphere.

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Speaker 4: specifically the journalist Debbie Centespear and Megan Rose. I agree,

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Speaker 4: this feels like a possible episode in the future, and

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Speaker 4: the slightly condescending quote, perhaps out of context by Woodcock. Oh,

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Speaker 4: civilian scientists somehow don't deserve to know, or it wouldn't

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Speaker 4: do them any good to know. Transparency in the FDA is,

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Speaker 4: From you, and we have returned. I think we earlier

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Speaker 2: Yes, specifically anything that you helped create in skunk Works

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not to be confused with more Radioactive Rusty or

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Speaker 4: It was found above a parcel in the Hunters Point

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Speaker 4: I had never heard, like I had vaguely heard of

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Speaker 4: do we say, is this an episode in the future

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Speaker 4: Before we give too many details, I would say, so

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Speaker 4: all are the best, Yes, thank you all so much.

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Speaker 4: We're going to keep this a little bit brief because spoiler,

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Speaker 4: right after this, we're all going to vote in Atlanta's election, Right,

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Speaker 4: are we all going to vote? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I got that thing in the mail from the Center

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Speaker 2: for Whatever Voting snooping and it says, hey, all of

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Speaker 2: your neighbors that we've redacted their names voted in all

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Speaker 2: of these elections. And then it had my name, and

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Speaker 2: guess what, I've voted in all of them because I

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Speaker 2: likes to vote.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I love the mechanisms of democracy. Now, of course,

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Speaker 4: here in our fair metropolis, one can often write in

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Speaker 4: a candidate. So we'd like to officially put stuff they

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Speaker 4: don't want you to know's endorsement behind Donnie Leboy that

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Speaker 4: is spelled do and I E space L A b

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Speaker 4: O Y Dottie Laboy. He's your number one comptroller. He's

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Speaker 4: your number one city councilman. He's your number one what's another.

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Speaker 3: Title, Uhaman?

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Speaker 4: Well, no, you're the bagman, right, I mean that can

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Speaker 4: be there can be more.

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Speaker 3: It's not Highlander rules but thank you, Ben, I do

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Speaker 3: appreciate you defending my position. What's another good one?

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Speaker 6: Dance Czar?

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 4: Ar Czar is a stone chair. Though comptroller is good.

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Speaker 2: He's our comptroll.

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Speaker 4: Obaga, hey, comtroll o bega. We got there, and we

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Speaker 4: are going to pause for a word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 2: way too many bottles. It was on hot ones. I

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Speaker 2: believe at one point I feel.

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Speaker 3: Like I've heard of it does sound delightful.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I just didn't know it was going

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Speaker 2: to be that good. So that is all. Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: jump to the phone lines. Now we're going to hear

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Speaker 2: a strange encounter that friend of the show headmaster had

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Speaker 2: to everyone listening. Anyone could call in at any time

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Speaker 2: to the voicemail system, and Headmaster and Noah have been

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Speaker 2: calling in a whole bunch. Specifically, Headmaster has been calling

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Speaker 2: us while he's doing a bunch of work in northeast

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Speaker 2: British Columbia, Canada. We're gonna not say exactly what he's

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Speaker 2: been doing. It's a little sensitive, but Headmaster has been

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Speaker 2: doing lots of work up there and he's finally on

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Speaker 2: his way back and on his little road trip. About

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Speaker 2: three hours in he had this experience and called us

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Speaker 2: while it was happening. So this is a call from

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Speaker 2: the place as it's occurring. So we're gonna jump the

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Speaker 2: head Master's message and hear what he has to say.

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, it's head Master. I'm on my way back

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Speaker 8: from I'm in wanta want it? I think it's called

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Speaker 8: I'm not exactly sure. I was just sill, been in

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Speaker 8: for gas. I look like I'm like maybe from out

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Speaker 8: of town, you know. As I'm filling up gas, this

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Speaker 8: guy on an ATV comes in, some white dude. He's

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Speaker 8: coming in on an ATV, gets off, goes inside the

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Speaker 8: gas station. He comes back outside and then as he's

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Speaker 8: getting on his ATV. He asks me, do I believe

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Speaker 8: in God? I'm like what, And then he like he

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Speaker 8: turns on his ATV and then and then pulls up

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Speaker 8: alongside my truck and asks me again while I'm gassing up,

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Speaker 8: do I believe in God? And I'm like, uh yeah,

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Speaker 8: And he's like, Jesus is coming soon, brother, and I'm

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Speaker 8: like okay. He's like, yeah, I'm just letting you know

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Speaker 8: that Jesus is coming soon. And he drove off. And

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't really think anything of it, man, Like I

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Speaker 8: wouldn't honestly, I wouldn't think anything of it. And I

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Speaker 8: think I failed this initiation by the way. But you know,

516
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Speaker 8: like you guys need to know, like there's a serious

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Speaker 8: white nationalist problem going on here in Canada, big problem actually,

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Speaker 8: And if you want to know more about it, look

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Speaker 8: at Rachel Gilmour. She's a Canadian journalist that's actually reporting

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Speaker 8: a lot about it. And I'm just, you know, I'm

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Speaker 8: kind of concerned with the way that both of our

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Speaker 8: our economies are going and stuff right now. I'm just

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Speaker 8: really really concerned, you know, like I'm fine by the way,

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Speaker 8: I'm going to make it back my truck is okay,

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Speaker 8: Everything is okay. I hope I never run into this

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Speaker 8: guy again. But like, I'm just wanted to let you

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Speaker 8: guys know that this was a really weird encounter really rubbed.

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Speaker 5: Me the wrong way.

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Speaker 8: Stay safe and chaff for now.

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Speaker 2: Well there we go. So that's kind of a, let's say,

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Speaker 2: an unsettling thing to happen, right, anytime somebody walks up

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Speaker 2: to you and asks you about your religious beliefs, specifically

533
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Speaker 2: if you believe in God, and then let you know

534
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Speaker 2: that a deity is going to be returning sometime soon.

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Speaker 2: But it I guess it depends on tone, right, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, is is there a positive version of that tone?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, sorry, I guess I always just

539
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: find it sinister when people that that's a line to me,

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Speaker 3: that is such a personal line to cross, and that

541
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Speaker 3: you would even do that to somebody indicates that you're

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Speaker 3: willing to perhaps take it a little further.

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Speaker 2: I think perhaps is the right way to think about that,

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Speaker 2: because I've known some people in my life and I

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Speaker 2: think I may have actually been in a place in

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Speaker 2: my life where I would want to do that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing because it was told to me by somebody

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Speaker 2: in a church that you need to spread the word right,

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Speaker 2: or you need to evangelize a little bit, you need

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Speaker 2: to tell people just with a single with a couple

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Speaker 2: of small things, just let them know about your faith

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Speaker 2: and try and bring them in.

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Speaker 3: You're not wrong, man, I'm sorry. I'm going to be

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Speaker 3: a little heavy handed about that. I think I just

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Speaker 3: have a bit of a sore spot just because of

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Speaker 3: my particular history and just maybe encounters like that that

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Speaker 3: I've had. But there are good hearted missionary types and

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Speaker 3: folks that just want to help people out there. I

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Speaker 3: think it might be a little you know, misinformed perhaps,

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Speaker 3: or what's the word misplaced, But if that's what you

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Speaker 3: think is earning you your place in heaven or whatever,

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Speaker 3: I mean, far be it for me to tell you

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Speaker 3: not to tell people about something that you're excited about.

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Speaker 3: But I just feel like the tone is everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And oftentimes there is an inherent almost threatening tone where

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Speaker 3: it's like, if you don't do this or hear me,

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Speaker 3: then you're going to the bad place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. And we've also got those lenses on each

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Speaker 2: of our eyes and ears, right, So the way we

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Speaker 2: perceive somebody and then what they say might affect like

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Speaker 2: what we think they're saying, right, We might imply or

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Speaker 2: put a tone on something just because of what we're thinking.

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Speaker 3: So that you nailed it, dude, you nailed it.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, we do know that there

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Speaker 2: is there appears to be a rising movement in some

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Speaker 2: of these nationalist movements, specifically kind of race based nationalism

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Speaker 2: movements that are occurring both here in the United States

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Speaker 2: and in Canada and many other places across the world.

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Speaker 2: We know this is a thing. We've made a couple

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Speaker 2: episodes about specifics in these genres, and this is the

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Speaker 2: kind of thing that's been happening for good lord centuries,

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 3: Say in source of the most bloodshed throughout history is

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Speaker 3: those religious divides, and it does feel like now, maybe

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Speaker 3: more than ever, it's being weaponized in a bit of

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Speaker 3: a like set in the groundwork for a holy war

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Speaker 3: of some kinds, you know, on the Christianity side, more

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Speaker 3: than the tone is a little more or what's the

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Speaker 3: word adversarial, othering than maybe I've ever seen it rhetoric wise.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And that goes everything right to the stuff we

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Speaker 2: talked about in Japan and Spain and a bunch of

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Speaker 2: other countries where there's just there's a thing where it's

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Speaker 2: if you are not exactly like us, we who declare

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Speaker 2: these things, then you're not one of us, and you

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Speaker 2: are not welcome here. According to us, that is a

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Speaker 2: very common thing, So it's at least something you put

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Speaker 2: on a radar. I don't know much at all about

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Speaker 2: this Canadian journalist Rachel Gilmour, who at least for a

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Speaker 2: time was based in Montreal, but there seems to be

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Speaker 2: a lot of reporting about her and by her. So

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Speaker 2: that's something for us to look into. Just not sure

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Speaker 2: what it is yet, but there you go. Anything else again,

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00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: we didn't maybe fully cover this Headmaster, but anything else

604
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: you want to say, just go ahead and call back

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Speaker 2: in as always, but thank you for sharing that story.

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00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: Definitely was unsettling. Reminds me a bit of this story Ben,

607
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Speaker 2: you wrote one time for I don't think it was

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: no It was for thirteen Days of Halloween and involved

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Speaker 2: a gas station and a guy that danced. Remember this

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Speaker 2: visitally it's really good. Check out Thirteen Days of Halloween

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Speaker 2: season one, I think.

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Speaker 4: Hey, executive producer by Matt Frett.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Well, there's a story in there about a gas station.

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Speaker 2: That's worth your time. All right, Well, there we go.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump to another message from guys. We got a

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Speaker 2: message from the Condor. Ooh, let's let's hear this.

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Speaker 5: You can call me the Condor. I'm a high ranking

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Speaker 5: official and I want to share some shocking information with

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Speaker 5: you and your listeners. Project Sirpo is real. You ever

620
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: heard of it? If not, give that thing a good

621
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Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety six, we sent six bravesmen and went

622
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Speaker 5: into a planet beyond your wildest imagination. In return, we

623
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Speaker 5: got the six alien brands that had been terrorized Indulga Basale.

624
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 5: You're in New Mexico ever since. Not a fair trade

625
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: if you ask me. Those astronauts like them. You digs

626
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 5: so much they never came back. Meanwhile, we've been trying

627
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 5: to contact Cirpo using the strongest set of satellites for years,

628
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 5: but no one will come and pick the little punks up.

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Speaker 5: Every day they put joey beans in the coffee grinder

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Speaker 5: and I'm sick of it. I just want to call

631
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Speaker 5: and grab Everyone around here is tired of.

632
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Speaker 3: Listen to me? Love the show.

633
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 5: You can use my name and message on the air.

634
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 5: Who cares anymore?

635
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: Oh man?

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00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 4: That's darker, classic condor. Thank you for your service, Dylan, I.

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00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: Had to step away to help a kid with a booboo.

638
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: But what's this about jelly beans and the coffee grinder?

639
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Speaker 5: Does that?

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00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: No, definitely not.

641
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: Is Joey Beans or somebody Dylan Dylan? Seriously, Dylan, are

642
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: you the condor?

643
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 6: I cannot say.

644
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 4: This is not a legally worry. My client is not

645
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: required to respond, Tennessee, you do not have to respond.

646
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: Bro, The call is coming from inside the podcast.

647
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: Well, look, whoever the condor is, This retired military personnel

648
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: had a message for us about something very very interesting.

649
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: No matter how silly the actual message is or serious,

650
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Speaker 2: we're not sure. Project Surpo, guys, is a thing in

651
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: the conspiraverse. Okay, it is a largely considered debunked thing,

652
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: but it is a thing. So let's go ahead and

653
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Speaker 2: look it up and talk about it just for a moment.

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Speaker 2: You can head on over to the website Surpo s

655
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Speaker 2: e r po dot org. If you choose to do so,

656
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Speaker 2: you will find out that there's a Surpo conference on

657
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Speaker 2: top secret program and it says welcome to our conference

658
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Speaker 2: on the top secret exchange program of twelve US military

659
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Speaker 2: personnel to SURPO planet Zeta Reticuli between nineteen sixty five

660
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Speaker 2: and nineteen seventy eight. Guys, it's got a whole thing

661
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Speaker 2: about in April conference from April twenty sixth to the

662
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Speaker 2: twenty eighth. There's a place on Burton Avenue in Memphis, Tennessee,

663
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Speaker 2: where I guess this conference is gonna happen. There's a

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Speaker 2: huge pull down menu for all the different things happening

665
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Speaker 2: on each day. On the first, second, and third day

666
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Speaker 2: of this conference. There's even a phone number associated with

667
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Speaker 2: this website and associated with whatever whatever this is. We're

668
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Speaker 2: not going to say the phone number on here, but

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Speaker 2: you can find it at sirpo dot org. And you

670
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Speaker 2: can dig a little deeper yourself if you do a goog,

671
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Speaker 2: just a quick little goog, as Condor asked us to do,

672
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Speaker 2: and you look up SURPO Project Project Sirpo, you will

673
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: find stuff on Wikipedia that has a lot of information

674
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Speaker 2: on here about a certain website where some people went

675
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Speaker 2: on made some anonymous posts about this thing, and then

676
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Speaker 2: somebody you might recognize, Richard Dody. Do you guys remember

677
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Speaker 2: this dude, Richard Dody. No, he was a counterintelligence officer.

678
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Speaker 2: I think was is officially what we would call this guy.

679
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Speaker 4: That's correct.

680
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Speaker 2: He worked directly with the USAF Office of Special Investigations,

681
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Speaker 2: and he was kind of known as somebody who would

682
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Speaker 2: go through and full ment disinformation on purpose within the

683
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: UFO UAP community back in the day, like would basically

684
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Speaker 2: do some Ada boys with somebody saying something kind of

685
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Speaker 2: crazy and then would kind of give credence to those

686
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Speaker 2: things as a smoke screen to perhaps the real stuff

687
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Speaker 2: happening with Mac.

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Speaker 4: While also importantly not promising anything concrete.

689
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, absolutely.

690
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Speaker 4: Oh and big thanks to Tennessee for shouting out season

691
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Speaker 4: two of Strange Arrivals.

692
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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, no, that's very true. Yes, in the

693
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Speaker 2: I think the documentaries titled Mirage Men, that's how we

694
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Speaker 2: learned about Dody for the first time, about what was

695
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Speaker 2: going on with him. Very fascinating stuff. Who's the other guy?

696
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Speaker 2: Paul Benowitz? I think there's so many folks that are

697
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: kind of they're huge figures in that sphere. Anyway. You

698
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: can look up all this stuff about the alleged secret

699
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Speaker 2: program where these you know, I guess aliens got left behind,

700
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Speaker 2: the six aliens on the base reaking havoc. Is that right? Condor.

701
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Speaker 2: Oh he didn't respond. Okay, then that is correct. Sorry,

702
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Speaker 2: I'm fixing a call from the shit good stuff. Well,

703
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: go on your own surpo hunt. Maybe we could do

704
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Speaker 2: an episode on it. I don't know if it's worth it.

705
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a rabbit hole worth going down, though, because

706
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: there were some people that came for that really truly

707
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: believed that this was going down. It was a program

708
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: that there was some kind of communication between Zeta Reticulai

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Speaker 2: and the United States government. Pretty fun stuff. I got

710
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Speaker 2: one last one, guys. I don't know, if we have time,

711
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: we can do a quick one one quick message here

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Speaker 2: from Flounder. This one's a little more serious. Let's just

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Speaker 2: see what Flounder has to say.

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Speaker 3: Flounder like Ariel's little buddy.

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Speaker 4: Little runt exactly spelled with a pH.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps also then a fan of the band fish.

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Speaker 2: Let's find out.

718
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Speaker 7: Hello, gentlemen, just listening to the episode on Japan and

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Speaker 7: their far right movement and politically I believe it was

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Speaker 7: Noel asked who defines what is right and what is left?

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Speaker 7: And I'm gonna post the question who defines what is center?

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Speaker 7: There were many interesting parallels between what's going on in

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Speaker 7: Japan and what's going on here in America. I'm gonna

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Speaker 7: draw a parallel to die Hard two and Guy too.

725
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Speaker 7: The terrace didn't have to crash the plane. They just

726
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 7: had to recalibrate where ground level was, and the plane

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Speaker 7: crashed itself. If an actor were to recalibrate where center is,

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Speaker 7: politically speaking, will our political plane crash itself? Appreciate you guys,

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Speaker 7: please feel free to use my message on the air boom.

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Speaker 3: What a question, flounder M does feel that, you know,

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Speaker 3: the political plane is kind of being built in mid flight,

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Speaker 3: so I would not put a crash bastard.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So to answer that, who defines what is center?

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Speaker 2: I would say, well, this is just me and being

735
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Speaker 2: quite a bit uninformed here, But I imagine center is

736
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Speaker 2: defined by the extreme edges, right, because you've got one

737
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Speaker 2: extreme side versus another extreme side, and somewhere in the

738
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Speaker 2: is the center. But I guess you could you could

739
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Speaker 2: be going more extreme in one direction than the other. Right,

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00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 2: So then center is now completely recalibrated. And that's just

741
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: by the nature of the discussion that you're having on

742
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Speaker 2: the which side you could take.

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Speaker 3: And what happens in the center cannot hold, that's only

744
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: get up a crash.

745
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: And what do you think Ben.

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Speaker 4: Oh h yes, Flounder, Thank you, longtime conspiracy realist. We

747
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 4: love it when you write to us or call. There's

748
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: this concept that that I think you will you'll be

749
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 4: familiar with, even if you haven't heard the specific term.

750
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 4: Something we're all familiar with. It's the concept called the

751
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: Overton window O v R T O N window, and

752
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: it's the idea of what is considered proper or centrist

753
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: or allowable discourse in the mainstream when you hear people

754
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: and shout out to our Palell Miles Gray, who talks

755
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: about this at length from his previous life. Uh, the

756
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: Overton window is a good Rubriker perspective to evaluate kind

757
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 4: of what you were saying there earlier, Matt Centrism being

758
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 4: defined by what is itself defined as extremes. So one

759
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 4: thing a lot of people, a lot of analysts spend

760
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 4: a lot of time on is figuring out how an

761
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 4: Overton window can be defined or where it shifts. For

762
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: a brutal embracing historical example of this, consider the Three

763
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: Fifths compromise in United States history, where the Overton window

764
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Speaker 4: on the acceptability or the vility of chattel slavery came

765
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Speaker 4: up for intense debate, and then people were slowly moving

766
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Speaker 4: what was considered acceptable or not acceptable. I don't know

767
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: if that makes sense, but that's kind of a precedent

768
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Speaker 4: that I think you're asking us about here, Flounder, Like,

769
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Speaker 4: who defines the center the The easy way to look

770
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: at that is to look at what we will call

771
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Speaker 4: the Overton window. And as we said in our episode,

772
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Speaker 4: Japan's rise of a far right signals a shift of

773
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Speaker 4: the Overton window.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense. The Overton window thing is what I

775
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: was searching for. Thank you, Ben, Well, yeah, I guess

776
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: that's true. I don't know. It just feels nowadays like

777
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: there is no group in the United States specifically that

778
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: represents that thing. That is, let's try and give everybody

779
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: this thing that they want to an extent, but everybody's

780
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: got to come to the table and compromise.

781
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's so polarized that I just don't

782
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: think that would even even gain that much traction. It

783
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't even make that much noise. Being completely center is

784
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: almost like anomalousts or it just doesn't really play into

785
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: the way the system works.

786
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 4: Centrism is similar to postmodernism. It's often defined by what

787
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 4: it is in fact not and that is lever rhetorical device.

788
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: But to the lovely point you made there, Matt, there's

789
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 4: this missing aspect of discourse. There's not a reasonable compromise

790
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: or a parliamentary procedural kind of kind of mechanism.

791
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: Right.

792
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 4: The game of US politics, at least is very much

793
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 4: winner take all, very highlander, wherein if you look at

794
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 4: European democracies or other democracies, including Japan's, people get together,

795
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 4: different parties get together, and they make compromises, and they

796
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 4: work toward what they see as a greater good, which

797
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 4: does shift the over to window. But it goes back

798
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: to something we talked about many years ago, the two

799
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 4: party system here in the US, Like why is there

800
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: why do both of those parties, the Democrats and Republicans

801
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 4: never cooperate on anything except for squad a third party

802
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 4: because they will double dragon real quick on that one.

803
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 4: Shout out rossbor reluctant shout out.

804
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, it makes you understand why folks who

805
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: got into the political sphere that were becoming really popular,

806
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: like you're Bernie Sanders or folks who are really writing

807
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: on that libertarian concept. Right, it's more about liberty than

808
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: you know, any group or any huge dogma that we're

809
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: all going to agree on and follow. It's more about

810
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: the human being and liberty, right, Or it's more about

811
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: everybody together as a collectivist set of needs that we

812
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: can address with the funds and all this stuff. It

813
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: sees you can see why there's a there's a desire

814
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: for that, or maybe there has been. Maybe it's kind

815
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: of losing steam at this point because we've moved so

816
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: far in one direction that now you have to battle

817
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: that the movement of that direction by pushing as hard

818
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 2: as you can the other side. And sure, but you

819
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: doesn't this he overseen that across the world.

820
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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, It's the monopolization of mass media that's a big,

821
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 4: big part of it. We have to remember that. You

822
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 4: don't look new further than the recent rise of Mamdani

823
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 4: over in New York City, massive public support from the

824
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 4: people who live in New York City and massive opprobrium

825
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: from the powers that be.

826
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Speaker 2: I don't know how to fix it, Flounder. Maybe you've

827
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: got better ideas, hey, Flounder, Yeah, I got some ideas.

828
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: We don't want to crash the plane. Let's recalibrate where

829
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: the ground is, where the ground is in the skies,

830
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: where the sky is, and then we'll all be in

831
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Speaker 2: this flight simulator together, fly in the great skies, just

832
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: like Ben.

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Speaker 4: That's too kind. Yeah, big big thing to the Condor

834
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Speaker 4: headmaster Flounder. Sarah was me less radioactive Rusty. Hey, you

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Speaker 4: know what. Shout out to regular radioactive Rusty as well

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