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Speaker 1: it like being married? At Tom Cruise? Oh hello, um,

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Speaker 1: get out of here. Oh my god, it's Angie Harmon. Angie.

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Speaker 1: stop it, Angie. You're gonna be in my wedding and

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Speaker 1: I look disgusting. Okay, you and me are doing shots

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, look who it is? Verne Troyer Hey, Vern,

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Speaker 1: Hey Vern, tell me? Are you getting a lot of

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Speaker 1: Vern Burn, please before you go, who are you wearing?

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Connelly and Tom Green stuck around. Who's that knocking

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Speaker 1: at the door? It's all your friends? You filthy horse.

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Speaker 1: Your husband's gone and we've got books and a bottle

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Speaker 1: It's memoirs. Martine Club. Come read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 1: Clement Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk eleven books.

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Speaker 1: I brought the queer foe. Hey, best friends, you look

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Speaker 1: I said, who is that Grecian goddess? And let me

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Speaker 1: tell you your outfits haven't always been amazing. I remember

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Speaker 1: the Coastguard had to put a warning app What is up,

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Speaker 1: my friend, Stephen Phillips Horse. We are back in the

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Speaker 1: studio after our crazy, crazy West Coast tour, which shall

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Speaker 1: you be hearing about in the VIP lunch which was

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Speaker 1: now on Friday Friday. We're going to talk all about, honestly,

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Speaker 1: the craziness that went down to San Francisco and Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Give you a sort of some real dirt on the underbelly, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which you didn't see as the live shows, which is

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Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, you didn't hear about the people we met,

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Speaker 1: But we're not here to talk about San Francisco. We're

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Speaker 1: going back to basics, you know, with the with the

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Speaker 1: about this week? Of course, none other than none other

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Speaker 1: what you do next? Goodbye? And they're just like freaking

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Speaker 1: that's so beautiful and all that he wants deep down

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Speaker 1: And I had the same feeling when we read Andrea

424
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Speaker 1: Agassy and he talked about the like shaving his head

425
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: and how it was this like really cathartic moment that

426
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: he was finally able to be free of his insecurity

427
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: run his hair. And I thought, one day I'll be

428
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: able to do that and just and just literally just

429
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Speaker 1: shave it and just be like it's over, It's all over.

430
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Speaker 1: Probably it's so you to be like, well, I want

431
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Speaker 1: to become a rock star, but not like I really

432
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Speaker 1: want to become like you want to say you want

433
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Speaker 1: to become a rock star, but you don't actually want

434
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Speaker 1: to become a wrong. I really just want to be

435
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: like a retired rock star living, yeah, living in Paris

436
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: and like writing a book of satirical poems at a

437
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Speaker 1: cafe looking over this sen One thing I want to

438
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Speaker 1: say about him, he gets so waste did at his

439
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Speaker 1: umbardment's vote where he chugs like thirty whiskey sours at

440
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: Ruby Foods, which I really want to go to Ruby Foos.

441
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: There was one of the arsenal mall I want to say,

442
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: Boston heads like speak up. I okay. That's another thing

443
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: I want to say, Like he's such an alcoholic in

444
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: this very normal gay way where he's always like so honey.

445
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: I was backstage at the Pavilion chugging vodka tonics waiting

446
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: for Angie Harman to come meet me, and then he's

447
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: like and it's two forty five. Sure, so we're at

448
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: the instyled party. But you know, I'm all, all I'm

449
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: thinking about is getting to the Vanity Fair party. And

450
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: at first I was wondering. I was like, oh, is

451
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: he actually random like keeping it in control gay and

452
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: sober because it's like he has to get to her

453
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Speaker 1: and make And then when he was like, oh, I'm

454
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: having like Sony Vodka toka, so I was like, oh,

455
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: you're just so wasted, and also like have an amazing

456
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: toilet like a Canadian Romanian Jewish tolerance where you've had

457
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: like now a nineteen vodka sodas and like everything is

458
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: sponsored by Sky Vodka that day. Yeah, No, there's a

459
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: lot of sky in here, but he's like keeping it

460
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: together and like not becoming an insane alcoholic. No. Yeah,

461
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: it's so much liver dam Yeah. I think he's having

462
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: like just a normal game out of like seven vodka too. Yeah,

463
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: I think. No, it's a normal gay st Yeah. And

464
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: he's not doing that every single night. No, it's like

465
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: awards night. And I just also love him just being like, uh,

466
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: in Style Awards, gotta go out of here. No, it's

467
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: always the most vilest event. I mean it's always Okay,

468
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: every story in this book is like, so I'm wearing

469
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: a blazer. Yeah, I'd say, when is he not in

470
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: a velvet? Always a Cavali velvet blazer. And then just

471
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: like I couldn't decide whether where the Versace blazer. Sorry,

472
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: Donna Tella, don't hate me, Like every single story thing,

473
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: and then I'm waiting for my Cavali blazer while I

474
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Speaker 1: mean traffic trying to get the Shrine auditorium for the

475
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: In Style pre Show Awards and my blazer isn't ready

476
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: and everything. All the chapters start just like two forty

477
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Speaker 1: five pm. The four oh five pre Nickelodeon Choice Kids

478
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Speaker 1: VH one oh words yeah, it's very just like and

479
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: I told himand to buy and she looked great. She

480
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:11,159
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481
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482
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483
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484
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485
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486
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490
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512
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Speaker 1: so he's in Montreal. He starts doing a fake psychic

513
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: character on like a radio show, and then he starts

514
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: working wait for like, well we worked for just for

515
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: laughs here, yeah, as like as like a PR person,

516
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: and he was like, I was so bad at my

517
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: job because I would arrive late to every single event

518
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: because I was like deciding what blazer towhere and then

519
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: someone he gets fired, but so fabs and his boss

520
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: is like, honey, like you shouldn't be organizing, You're not

521
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: like a booker, like you should be infusion in front

522
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: of a camera. Well it's very true. And it's like

523
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: I think you know you and are the same way

524
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: where it's like we are too gay for an office.

525
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: Well that is the thing I feel like when I

526
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: got off college, you know, and I was like, well,

527
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: I know I want to work in television and film,

528
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: so I thought like the normal just like thing to

529
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: do is become like a production girl an office. And

530
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, Like I don't. I'm

531
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: not meant to just like write emails and spreadsheet can't. No,

532
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm for the favorite front of the camera. You're a wild,

533
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: wild beast, absolutely untamed beast. Not meant to be like Heather.

534
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: This is Heather. Yeah. Every job he has that's like

535
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: not just like being sassy fabrics on camera. He fails

536
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: that and then he waits. But then when he needs

537
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: in la when he writes a column for Bang magazine

538
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: called the Young and the guest List, which I'm obsessed with, no,

539
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: every job he has, like I want, oh wait, I

540
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: don't have the passage. But one of his jobs was

541
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: inspecting goofies. You just opened the book to like a

542
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: random page and hope that you're going to land on it.

543
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: This line just absolutely random. Every little Jewish Romanian prince

544
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: has a big red carpet moment in the Jewish religion.

545
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: Your barb mitzva is a religious ceremony followed by a

546
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: party to signify leaving boyhood at age thirteen, coming a man,

547
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: even if your legs are as smooth and hairless as

548
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: Sara Michelle Geller in a slit evening gown. You go

549
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: to keeper school and learn the prayers and it's like what, no,

550
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: the amount of like oh three references that book, It's

551
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: like shock full of that are as smooth as Sarah

552
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Michell Geller. Um No, I just meant to say he

553
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: one of his jobs was inspecting goofy costumes, which feels

554
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: very me Oh when you worked at Disney, yeah, and

555
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: like goofy dolls and he was like, sorry, that's some

556
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: kids got some goofies with fucked up noses and it's

557
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: not my fault. But didn't scare you too, much moving on.

558
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 1: I was too busy wearing Roberto Cavalli blazers. And then

559
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: he'll be like, oh, can you believe I was wearing

560
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: that totally garbage polyester shirt. And then it'll be a

561
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: photo of him like today in the same shirt, and

562
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: he's like, look at me in my vintage POUCHI shirt. Yeah. No,

563
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: it's very useless and change styles and changed at all.

564
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: You're still wearing just like the tightest insane patterned shirts

565
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: and like flair jeans and have your just like full

566
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: like crazy k Coslin flat on your hair. And he's like, yeah,

567
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: I made some crazy mistakes. Sorry. I thought I was

568
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Lenny Kravitz, but I looked more like an escape from

569
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: a mental asylum. Okay, um? Can I read the Jennifer

570
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Tilly quote that he pulled in his short tenure at

571
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: US Weekly. My first article is about Tom Ford's arrival

572
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: at Gucci. Five people wrote and quotes this article, and

573
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I contributed one sentence. When you see Tom's things, says

574
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: actress Jennifer Tilly, a fan, there's almost an uncontrollable I've

575
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: got to have it feeling as a stranger. You just

576
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: gathered the quotes and send them to the editors who

577
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: make all the pros all pretty. It's like, yeah, the

578
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: folks over there us weekly pros, you don't get to

579
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: write anything. I got the Jennifer Tilly quote still to meet.

580
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: This was a gigantic accomplishment. I mean, if I was

581
00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: able to land a Tilly quote, absolutely put it on

582
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: your tombstone. M So he works his way up from us.

583
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: He gets fired, and then does she get like the

584
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: people lunched with that like people woman, and she's like,

585
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: you should try writing for us, like and do style things.

586
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: And then he's like doing kind of like the style

587
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Watch column and like making so many puns and just

588
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: being like, uh, Carrie Ann Moss like Carrie, and Moss

589
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: is wearing so much green she looks like she's covered

590
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: in moss, Like okay, and then she real The part

591
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: about the dinner was Salama hiak oh where she talked

592
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: about being in the sauna with Ashley Judd and Ashley

593
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: Judd was so comfortable being nude and wasn't comfortable. I

594
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: was like, okay, fabo Ashley Judd to be so like whatever,

595
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: this is my body, this is me. But then salm No.

596
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: The thing about that dinner though was like at Jeff

597
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker's house, which, by the way, Jeff Zucker's name

598
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: is mentioned every page book well from her head of NBC. Yeah,

599
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: because his whole career is in that like portion where

600
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: of that like portion of media history where it's just

601
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: like there was like such a sort of conglomeracy around

602
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: like a NBC or there's like so many different like

603
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: streams where they would be like putt like he was

604
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: like always doing a Today Show segment and then being

605
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: shuffled into like the night like Nightly Report segment and

606
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: then like being used and so and like they had

607
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: such a budget to be sending people to like Milan

608
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: to do like Today Show Fashion Week reporting, which is

609
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: so insane, like can Con. It's like that's so like

610
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: that money is gone. No, it's like Barbara Bush is

611
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: not sending like like or Jenna has It is not

612
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: sending like a correspondent to Milan for fashion Land to

613
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: talk about like Tom Ford's news show. But Salma Hike

614
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: at the Zooker dinner and he's so offended even though

615
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: it's like, well, obviously Salma is thinking that she turns

616
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: to him and she's like don't put this in one

617
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: of your little articles. And she's being so like looking

618
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: down on him because and he's like a people writer,

619
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, dare she say that? And he's like, so,

620
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: I never spoke a word of it until now, Sari Sama. Okay,

621
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: when he calls P Diddy the ultimate good time Charlie,

622
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: and it's like okay, and he's like, P didd he

623
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: was always taking his shirt off to get people to dance,

624
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: and then he thought me he sent me a free

625
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: bottle of like prosecatino, like out of Miami club. And

626
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: then he's like, sorry, I'm couldn't call Jlo a slut.

627
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: Ninety times in this book. She went from little slut

628
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: to little princess. And he's like so nervous the first

629
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: time he calls Jaylo a slot on TV and then

630
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: he's like and he was like and I kept checking

631
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: my blind to see if P Diddy was gonna come

632
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: kill me. Well he never did, and after that I

633
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: just let it rip, shaking in the velvet blazer. Okay.

634
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Speaker 1: I do feel like he randomly has a huge dick, yes,

635
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: because he has big dig face. Thank you. Yeah, he

636
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: talks about its big teeth in this random way where

637
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: he always always being just like and honey, yeah, it's

638
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: called a male thong. Like I don't think men should

639
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: up panty lines either, but let's just say it wasn't

640
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: again this support I need it. And then Matt Lowe said, well,

641
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: you've got quite the package growing on spice. They say,

642
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: I burned the pants after that, sorry, Roberto. I also

643
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: can see him like having a guy over and she's

644
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: just like, you think he's going to be the bottom

645
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: because he's the biggest fan in the world, and then

646
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: he's just throwing them down in the bed and absolutely

647
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: back to Romania. He is definitely very just like obsessed

648
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: with Mount Lower again NBC fam and he's like he

649
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: talks away also in this Kathy Griffin way about these

650
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: just random like male interviewers like a David Letterman and

651
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Mount Lower. He's like, Matt totally gets it right, and

652
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: he and hes this guy in the business okay, and

653
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: he was just cracking up and I was giving it

654
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: to him and he was giving it to me back,

655
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: and Katie got it and they were amazing. Oh the

656
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: way he says people get He's like, I'm sorry, Jennifer

657
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: Tilly is just down to earth. Okay, Calista Flockhart, I

658
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: don't think so, she can suck it. But yeah, his

659
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: list of like who's nice on the Red carpet and

660
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: who's not. He's always like Cameron can take it, like

661
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: Hilary Swank, she can take it. Callista huge bitch. Yeah,

662
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: he calls Callista a demon of the Red carpet um

663
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: along with Madonna, and obviously like Madonna is so humor

664
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: less and it's just like I cannot speak to you

665
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: could eat this rhythm, Helen Hunt, Right, yeah, Testy, testy, testy.

666
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: How can someone be so cranking up tible? We're in

667
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: a free Gucci ground silk charmouse is enough to plaster

668
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: a smile on my face for an entire day. Coju's

669
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: face now is just classic, like Lisa Rinna gay Filler.

670
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: He looks like Lisa Wrenn exactly, Like that's cool. I

671
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: was watching some random must have been like twenty eleven

672
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: clip of him on like a different morning show about

673
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: him launching his website styled by Stephen cojucar dot com,

674
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: and he was promoting he was like, I'm stylist, I'm

675
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: a host and now I'm a digital entrepreneur. Okay, wait, okay, okay.

676
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: What he says in this style by where he has

677
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: this girl on who's gonna be like on the Food

678
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Network and he was like, and she asked me, is

679
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: this dress appropriate for a food meeting? And I said, oh, honey, no,

680
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: you can't be showing the sleeves. And he goes and

681
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: he's like, but what's her name? Gioda and he's and

682
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: they're like Gihada, and he's like, anyway, yeah, she's gonna

683
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: be taking Gioda to task. Her food is amazing, and

684
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: he's putting her in like just a cap sleeve dress

685
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: and he's offering. He's like, so after fifteen minutes, thirty

686
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: minutes and our consultations and honey, if a credit card clears,

687
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: you own me. Can I say? Though him being a

688
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: digital entrepreneur, he's still really funny. Yeah, he's so funny.

689
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: His like Instagram is like he's still like taking to task,

690
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: like just like the met Gala and like he's literally

691
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: making funny jokes and is doing commentary that no one

692
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: else is doing. And I'm kind of like, okay, literally

693
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: go off, Like I mean, I hope this episode like

694
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of brings him back. We're gonna have a renaissance,

695
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: um because and he's like still and he's making fun

696
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: of himself and he's like, I'm on his Instagram. This

697
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: post has eight legs, which is iconic, absolutely iconic, and

698
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: it's just him like tearing down Saint Vincent for her Grammys,

699
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: which I love. I'm like, thank you. No, it would

700
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: just be like and he goes Liberace Cabana Look Palm

701
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: Springs nineteen sixty eight, Saint Vincent and Blight on Humanity

702
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: Gucci teamed up to destroy fashion and not destroying the

703
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: way the fashion kids use the word. Is that a

704
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: candelabra in your pocket? Stop? Yeah, we have eight legs

705
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: like one doing this and everyone's and like the only

706
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: commentary you here now I feels like it's like so

707
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: diet product, just being like and I love her work

708
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: and she's amazing, and I don't think that this pink

709
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: works and like the tailorating is like a little off

710
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: on this piece, and I I'd like to see her

711
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: like showcasing like more Hungarian designers. But it's like I

712
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: would be like Brad from whatever original Zoo project, being

713
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: like we're seeing a lot of red on the carpet. Yeah,

714
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: it's like this antony level observation. You're like, cool, you

715
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: see color. Cool, fucking dumb ass b um. No, Kojo

716
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: is still literally slaying his hair now is being a

717
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: little bit more like you know, it's super. He actually

718
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of looks like Patti Smith now, which is kind

719
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: of cool. And he is doing leather jacket and the

720
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: hair is actually looking like more naturally too soled, and

721
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: it's not so Ryan Seacrest like fried, I wonder what

722
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: he thinks of Seacrest. Okay, Keith gets it, so he

723
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: actually funny say that he posted a photo of Seacrest

724
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: April eighteenth. Oh and it's Seacrest in this double breasted

725
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: like dark green suit. So here for this fab moment

726
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: in men's fashion. Guy serving up bold color and even

727
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: bolder super sharp vibe. Bravo. Ryan Seacrest on this dub

728
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Speaker 1: and air green double brea to Dandy mood Or asked,

729
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: do you remember when I was on your talk show

730
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: and the tightest dam's ever seen on a young Sylph

731
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: and my circulation stopped and the paramedics had to be

732
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: called XO Kojoe, he's there to be like Guada's boob

733
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: sag and Madonna's mean. But I don't think. I feel

734
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: like he has this very like nineties Hollywood gay code

735
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: glass closet. But it's also like he isn't mentioning. He

736
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: literally never talks about his sex life. He like he's like, yes,

737
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: I am an openly homosexual man, but he does not

738
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: talk about coming out of the closet at all. No,

739
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. I mean, actually, okay, I

740
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: totally agree, and I think it's awesome and punk that

741
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: he's not being so chasten booda jedge and just like

742
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: writing this book about being like full I came out,

743
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: it's like bitch, no one caress. I think it's like

744
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: we knew like his Transylvanian mom, like no, I think.

745
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: And of course if this book Wretten today, the editors

746
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: would have never let him not put the coming out

747
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: story in, and they would have been like, and please

748
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: talk about your work with the Hillericinton campaign in twenty fifteen,

749
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: and like and do talk about like your position on

750
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: abortion rights and talk about your coming out story, like

751
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: they would just have to make it like this fake weird,

752
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: this fake like feel good fodder and they would like

753
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: any not let him just have a bitchy just like

754
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: a bitchy fashion book. Like k I love the part

755
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: where he's just like, that's better than coming out. That's

756
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: just being day, that's been living out loud, out loud. Yes,

757
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: And it's like he at one point he's just like honey,

758
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: like I was built for fluff, and it's just like

759
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, this is what this say is. It's

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00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: Red Carpet Diaries Celebrity book Club. Hey, fellow commuters, how

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Speaker 1: Sub Now here's a clip from this week's episode. So

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00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: we pull up the menu and one crab, one single crab,

768
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: their classic in the garlic butter say it with me

769
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Speaker 1: seventy five dollars And it was like and I could

770
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Speaker 1: tell that the many Roberto Cavalli segment, Plazer, how does

771
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: she live? What does she ate. What does she wear? Okay,

772
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: what does she eat? Can I say it? Duck Rap?

773
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: I know you at me to say that he is

774
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: so Wolfgang Puck Airport duck Rap. Yeah, no, yes to

775
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Wolfgang Puck. Yeah, she's not a vegetarian. He's also so

776
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: us like I feel like he's so me at every

777
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: political fundraiser where I am so like shoving shrimp into

778
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: my purse. So I think he's shoving trip in the purse,

779
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: break the tupperware, and then it's like, oh, mama, I

780
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't have had the shrimp. Plus yeah, he's the diarrhea

781
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: at just like the side press room, and I think

782
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: he's not eating for like hours because he's like fitting

783
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: into his like skin tight kovali and then appy in style.

784
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: After after he's like finally I can have a shrimp. Yeah,

785
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: and he's having like a diavolo feeduccini. He's definitely just

786
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, bigbobs, big plates. Yeah. And so yes, I've

787
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: had his you know his parents they had like hardy romani.

788
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: When he goes home, he's like, mom, I'm not gonna

789
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: have your liver, and then like does have a romania

790
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: because he is kind of Interactican High School for that

791
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: moment when he starts speed dealing speed to the other

792
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: girls because which again he buys. When he goes to

793
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: Plattsburgh for his like western wear shopping trips, he sees

794
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: an ad in a magazine for like what was it called,

795
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: like trim spar, one of those things that was like

796
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: such a diet pill, and he like gets a supply

797
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: a fit and starts dealing to all the girls, and

798
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: then he was like, so I'm cracked out and shaking

799
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: like twenty four hours a day, and he's like skin

800
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: and bones, and like he goes to the prompt with

801
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: this like girl and they like, don't just give him

802
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: the photos, and he's like, and I realized they didn't

803
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: give me the photos because like I made her look

804
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: so big because she was already like a big lacrosse girl,

805
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: and he was like such a skinny faget, right, which

806
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: makes me also think that girl was a lesbian, yeah,

807
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: because oh, was she hiding a pregnancy? But it was like, no,

808
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: that's what I thought that scene was too. It also

809
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: so could have been her hiding a pregnancy and him

810
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: being so gay and being like, oh, so you destroyed

811
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: the photos because I looked disgusting. No, she was a

812
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: teen mom. She was literally a teen mom. Um. What

813
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: does he wear? I mean, he's just still wearing and

814
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: just like and everything is like moose, firm, mink dyed pinks.

815
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: I that's what it's insane about him is that he's

816
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: always like he is pretty like cutting and accurate for

817
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: the most part about I think, like what people look

818
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: good in and his style, but styles controls out of

819
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: control and it's never changed, and it's just like he

820
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: it's like Lady Kravitz doesn't even really look good in

821
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: what he wears, and it's like you really don't look

822
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: It's like he would look so much better in some

823
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: different silhouettes. Yeah, if he just tried like a slightly

824
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: looser pant, slightly looser pan, and like a slightly looser tea.

825
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: Because it's like he has and I say this as

826
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: someone who has a huge head. It's like he has

827
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: a large head and he's also still doing this like

828
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: some of the shirts there probably are like so Fred

829
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: Siegel and the two thousand dollars fighting them all the

830
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: way down because he's like, my concave chest is my

831
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: best feature. That's great, that you love your concave chest,

832
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 1: and just like I would too, and I always wanted

833
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: just like an insane concave chest. But like I think

834
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 1: that you should actually kind of like you should wear

835
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: more of like a big tea that hangs off of

836
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: you and imply the concave rather than just show it. Well,

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00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: almost if you went a little more eighties, like it

838
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: would be fun to see him still, yes, in a

839
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: vintage Pucci shirt, but a little bit like bigger. And

840
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: literally he knows this because he'll say, like, and I

841
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: started dressing like Prince and like so ice to say,

842
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: like I didn't look as good as Prince did. It's

843
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: like yeah, because Prince is like five foot one. He

844
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: gives the same like review to him that he is

845
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: giving all these like playing jains where he's like, cover

846
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: up your arms, and he's like, oh, I wish I

847
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: could look like Prince. I wish I could look like

848
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: Rod Stewart, right, And like then he's like, and I

849
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: was looking at his Instagram where he's doing all his

850
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: like really like cutting and accurate fashion journalism, and he'll

851
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: be like, I'm so tired of the like cutout trend,

852
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: Like it looks so cheap and it's just like, oh true,

853
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: and he's just like like Nicole kim In like send

854
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: this dress back to like the trash compact or in

855
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: Transylvania where it came from. Should But then he's still

856
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: wearing just like the most same ninety eight kits in,

857
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: Like he's so kits in, he's Siegel kits in, like

858
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: tight tight, like cut off tank again like tiger striped blazer.

859
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: And then on this again, on this weird segment where

860
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: he was pushing his website, he was wearing like just

861
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: like a cheap polka dot button up and like a

862
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: pink skinny tie. Yeah, and it's like, what is I

863
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: also think he's also obsessed with like he did that

864
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: gay thing that I did where I like overpluck my

865
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: eyebrows in high school, overplucking, overfrying, and like he's just

866
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: like and thank you to Anastasia working be my brows

867
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: in line for the past thirty hundred years. And it's

868
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: just like you would look better if you had a

869
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: stronger brow in my opinion, the hair, the hair dysmorphia

870
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: where you're like, okay, no burnt here, less here, And

871
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: I remember it because I thought the same thing where

872
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: I was just like I have such a big nose

873
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: that I need to have like more shapely, like more

874
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: like arched eyebrows where you're always telling me to I mean,

875
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna stand by this, but it's like, well,

876
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm right about that, you know, I am I or

877
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: any know what you're gonna say, but my heeled but

878
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: I know I'm saying I was wrong about my eyebrow

879
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: thing in high school. I get it now, like I

880
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: need like as bushy eyebrows as I can have, like

881
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: just because they're sexy in general. And don't I don't

882
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: say that for anyone. We all know, I mean, we

883
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: all know big eyebrows are in right now. Whatever, that's

884
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: not since today. One. You know my grandmother, you know

885
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: she plucked and plucked and then they never grew back. Yeah,

886
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: well that's I mean a lot of people mean that

887
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: mistake they did the early two thousands or the nineteen twenties. Yeah, oh,

888
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: when you were trying to be like Greta Garbo. Anyway,

889
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: he's still dressing um in a really insane way. Well

890
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: on the cover, by the way, he's wearing like a

891
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: full Joseph and the technicolor dreamcoat, swede patchwork with like

892
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: beaver for huge flare, jeans, boat neck, blacktop and platforms. Yeah,

893
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: the flares are I mean, he looks like he's on

894
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: the first season of The l Word. He rolling into

895
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: the planet. Yeah, okay, how does he live? Do you

896
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: think it's so like Jennis Dickens in marble floors like

897
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: toughted white bad because he loves leather. Yeah, I think

898
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of leather. And I picture like a

899
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: white lacquer bed with like white tufted bed and it's

900
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: huge cow print um rug like and then like zebra

901
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: print pillows. Yeah, like it's Bobby trendy, but like a

902
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: little less, Yeah, a little because then he's always just

903
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: like like posting a photo on his Instagram of just

904
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: like you know, Emily Blunt and just being like, thank

905
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: you Emily Blunt forgetting the memo that less is more right.

906
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: So I belt like there are some pieces that are

907
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: just like randomly like suburban Romanian Jewish. It's like the

908
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: most like weird, like embroidered like like blanket over a chest, yeah,

909
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: over some chest, and he's like, my mom gave me

910
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: this amazing plates. But then the rest is like white

911
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: lacquered leather headboard and they're all like custom pieces he

912
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: is ordering from Italy. I also want to say, like

913
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: he owns an apart I'm just like, does he have

914
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: a house? I'm wondering what you worth? The income situation

915
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: is because it's like, I'm sure he had like a

916
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: really fabulous contract yeah in two thousand and two with NBC,

917
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: and if he invested well and saved well, and it's

918
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: very that thing where it's just like, are you the

919
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of gay who had a finance friend who was like,

920
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: you need to invest in like and he just like

921
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: bought an apartment that was an amazing investment and now

922
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: it's worked worth so much or was he being I'm

923
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: hoping that he did, hoping he did, but he also

924
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: could have been so gay and just like was literally

925
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: spending it all on blazers and that you know when

926
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: that revelation comes when they hire him, they hire ham

927
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: stylist for some show and he's like so confused because

928
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: he's like, wait, this is so easy because I spend

929
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: nine hours of my day choosing blazers, so now someone

930
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: will choose my blazer. Yeah, And he's like, I have

931
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: so much time now a day. There's like a frad

932
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: Into blazer that he wore at like the two thousand

933
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: and three Vanity Fair Awards that he likes. Man again

934
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: what like what's his name, Bobby from Queer? I would

935
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: do if he like readied his house, right, He's like,

936
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: you love fashion, right, and then they would like frame

937
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: all of his like invites to the Kid's Choice Awards

938
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, like on a wall of

939
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: framed invites. I feel like it's maybe more there's a

940
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: drawer in the office that's full of the invites. Okay,

941
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: drawer of invites, and then like frame photo of him

942
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: and Donna Tella. Yeah, I think there's a couple of

943
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: frame photos of him and Donna Tella and like because

944
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: in the photo section of this book, also, what I

945
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: love is that he writes over and over again photo

946
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: courtesy of the author, and it's just like and again

947
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: photocurtsy of the author. It's like, we didn't need the

948
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: photo credit. And it's like three photos of him and

949
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: Angie Harmon, who is also a Republican by the way,

950
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: Angie Harmon is, Yeah, although I'm sure Angie Harmon is

951
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: like so like never trumper. Ok okay, okay, quickly, who

952
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: are you in the book? At you are Stephen? Could

953
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: you kru? This book is written by me. It's written

954
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: by you, Stephen Stephen. Um i am. It's the girl

955
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: that asks you to pram. Are you the like angry

956
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: landlord in Beverly Hills who like makes them sleep in

957
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: the garage? Oh yeah, he's like, okay, I'll I'll give

958
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: you this room that's above a garage. No, you're Angie Harmon.

959
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm Angie Harmon. I'm married to a footballer. I'm a

960
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: Republican like you literally are. And you're putting me in

961
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: just a beautiful silk dress. No, and we're literally I'm

962
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: just being like, um hi, literally I'm marrying me. Sorry,

963
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: get rid of your husband? Fine by me? Okay. I

964
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: give this book um five Sequined Mink Roberto Cavali Blazers

965
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 1: out of five. Yeah. No, I give this book literally

966
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: six Coby Boots at a five. It's an incredible read.

967
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: It's an incredible length. It's one hundred and sixty pages.

968
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: Every length is slaying behind it's pros. It's it's pros.

969
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: It's US Weekly pros. And I think it's also time.

970
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: Hello e producers, if you're listening, Let's bring Kojo Karu back,

971
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: thank you into some sort of like red carpet commentary position,

972
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: created a new position for him. He is still really funny,

973
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: he still has it, and I think that he would

974
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: really benefit from like a video segment where you could

975
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: just like edit, give him together his best quips and

976
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: I give him stuff to say. He would really nail it.

977
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: NBC free Form, Yeah, free Form, get on it, Get

978
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: on it now. Okay, we're ready for the Cojo Renaissance.

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00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: We are, and we're starting it today. Join us in

980
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: the revolution. Next week, you will be treated to none

981
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:34,799
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982
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: the city of It's not the City of Brotherly Love.

983
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,479
Speaker 1: That's Philadelphia. It's a gay city. It's a gay city.

984
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: And you'll hear all about the city and how to

985
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: become Untamed. Next week. Oh oh, and stick around for

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00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,400
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991
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. With editorial support from Leon Napok. How

992
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: does he pull that hair off every day? If I

993
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: could do it, I would give away my firstborn. Andrew

994
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: Parsons who is oh, I don't know God's gift to women?

995
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: And Madlin Kaplan who has a closet I would kill for.

996
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: When I say kill, I mean murder. Our production manager

997
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998
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. And when I say bought, I

999
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: mean I stole it. That's right, I stole a doll.

1000
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,759
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1001
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,040
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1003
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1005
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1010
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