WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Most Memorable Witten Moment? 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:07.640 This he's Talking Cowboys screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:18.160 World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:23.960 Ryan Brats, Rob Phillips and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody into 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.480 the SWBC Mortgage Studio. Yes, we have another edition of 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.800 Talking Cowboys for you guys today on Talking Tuesday. For 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:39.080 your clarification, Mick, and it's Talking Tuesday with a new show. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.280 Oh you know you know what it is, sassafrass. Yes, 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:45.879 you guys are matching over there. If you guys are well, 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.040 ryder cup the video streams. We have over here a 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.919 couple of plaid man, it's up a couple of team. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.480 What country do you think we are today? Olympics. We're 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.000 in the Olympics. Scotland, Scotland. Yes, yeah, we got the 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:03.480 lion wimbledonen. Right, Micky, you look like you're about to 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.800 go play some golf. I wish I was. Yeah. Are 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.360 you any good at golf? No? Okay, I just want 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.200 to make sure the best thing I can do for 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.280 a team on one of those charity golf deal's put. No, 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:17.960 my handicap is as high as it can be, so 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.800 if they if they grade your score according to the handicap. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.800 My team gets lots of points. Obviously you're not a golfer. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.200 That's Right's right. He's a team player though. Yeah, that's 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.640 a great sign name. It's good for the team. Pictures 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:36.120 what he is, yes, yes, and a team player we 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.240 all know and love. Jason Witton officially retired after fifteen 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.400 seasons with the Dallas Cowboys. Of course, if you guys 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.039 have read Mickey's calm about his departure, I know there 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.560 was a lot of coverage over the weekend and it 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.600 was a very emotional sixteen minute speech he gave at 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.200 the press conference. Garrett emotional, Jerry Jones. It was as 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.200 a hard few days for Cowboys nation, I assume. But 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.080 he has gone now and we must move on, we 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.440 must say our goodbyes. Yeah. Tony Romo shared a very 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.639 special letter last night to the best player he's ever 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.760 played with. Yeah, I think that's fair. That's fair. Yeah, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:18.080 for sure, that's fair. It's funny you go along and 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.880 he's it's with players and at one time, you know, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.520 I had where in Romo and Witt and as all 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.680 guys kind of I still connected to just from a 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:33.280 draft perspective, you know, two thousand and three and two 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.880 thousand and five, and then it goes from three to 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.520 two to one to none, and it just shows you 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.760 how his careers, you know, I mean fifteen years a 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.639 long time. I mean we drafted Jason Witten. I mean 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.200 he was a young guy, went twenty twenty one years old, 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.440 and now you see him, he's now, you know, I'm 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.080 going to retire and go on to Money Night Football. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.120 But good for him. I think he made the right choice. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.680 I really do. I said this the other day. I 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.680 felt like that that the the decision he had to 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.440 make that Monday night Football is an iconic brand, and 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.559 I think the fact that he was as the opportunity 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.399 to go and be a part of that, I think 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.920 is fabulous that he can do that. And so you know, hey, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.560 you know, I believe he asked Bill Parcels. Parcells told 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.320 him the same thing, Hey, you gotta go on, you 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.160 got to go do this. So good for him. It's 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.959 gonna be a great opportunity for him. And and I'm 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.120 sure that that he will enlighten football fans much like 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.239 he's enlightened us over the years. When we get a 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.160 chance to visit with him. Yeah, maybe you called it 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.000 the offer he could not refuse, shouldn't refuse, and he 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:45.520 shouldn't refuse it because as Brian just said, you know 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.560 that comes out around once every yeah, you know, seems 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.480 like decade. And so if you want to do it 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.720 and you've put in fifteen years, uh, and you know, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.720 and I'm not sure what the Cowboys had planned this 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.320 year year at tight end, but you know, when you're 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.040 hitting thirty six and fifteen years in, you're going on 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.360 your sixteenth, you know, chances are I mean, you're not 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.240 gonna play ninety percent of the plays. You may not 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.920 play eighty percent of the play. So I think it 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.320 was time and I think he he sort of knew it. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.520 But it's hard to say. And as I put it 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.360 out in my column, he's never quit, right, yeah, And 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.760 I'm not saying he quit, but he moved on, moved on. Uh. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.680 He didn't quit with a buck broken jaw, he didn't 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.440 quit with a lacerated spleen. He didn't quit without a helmet. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.120 And for him to say, Okay, I'm I'm leaving it 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.279 was a very tough thing. And you know, I've had 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.240 three or four people tell me how he kind of 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.520 went back and forth on this whole thing to the 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.440 point of tears that he couldn't decide. So yeah, I 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.600 thought I thought though that he came to the right conclusion. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.840 I think he'll be awfully good. How he can exp 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.279 lane things. I think if anybody needed an example, how 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:09.040 Jason explained how Witton gave the presentation on his why 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:14.039 option route, which is a very seemingly simple route, but 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.479 he goes into the detail he did and knew what 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.840 everybody else was doing on the play. Sure, it's it's 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.960 rather amazing, and I think he will bring that to 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.479 the broadcast and hopefully he brings Jason Witten to it. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.960 Not try to be something he's not, just the way 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.240 Tony Romo gave him the example. Don't think this is 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.799 the cookie counter way you're supposed to be an analyst. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.960 Just go on there and be yourself. Be yourself. If 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.760 he's himself, people are gonna love him because I think 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.240 a lot of people got a glimpse into maybe a 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.880 different side of him during that forty five minute press conference. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.479 Just how genuine and what an earnest guy he is. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.440 He's so likable, and I think that's going to translate well. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.080 On TV. We were ketting, I were down in Palm 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.440 Beach interviewed coach Parcels a few weeks ago and we 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.720 mentioned him, hey, you know, maybe Witten down the road 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.520 might get into coaching, and he laughed and said that, 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.839 you know, there's there's two sides to that pancake. That 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.120 was one of his famous cliches. Maybe one day Whitten 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:09.680 will be a coach. I don't know. He's only thirty 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.400 six years old. He's got a lot of life in 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.320 front of him. Um. But you know, Romo found his 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.040 voice doing TV last year, and I think Romo's on 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.200 his way to be in the next Madden and Witten 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.120 might very well do that as well. I think he's 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.440 going to be great at it. Go be John Wayne, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.880 Go be John Wayne. Yeah, you don't have to worry 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.960 about that. Hey, two thousand and three draft, you're forgetting 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.279 about somebody who's buckled up for another season. Terence Newman 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.520 about that he's ready for it. Yeah, he was too 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.839 old when we drafted him the first time, when he 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.839 was twenty five. Yeah. Yeah, we took a lot degree 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.640 for that one, just because But now he's two thousand 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:49.200 and three three. Yeah, he's found a coach that really 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.000 respects his game and understands his game and takes care 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.960 of him in that regard, in Mike Zimmer, you know, yeah, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.080 no more. Yeah, everywhere Mike's been, Mike has brought him along, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.680 and Terrence is always come in shape and ready to go. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.839 So yeah, it's it's yeah, you're running out of guys 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.839 and that that whole uh, that whole draft. But it 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.040 was incredible. I mean, Witton was I've told the story before. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:13.520 He was, you know, on our board as a first 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.320 round grade and here you are, you getting the third round. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.440 And it was a really unusual draft because of all 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.120 the tight ends that were available and people were just 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.400 picking them off one after another. And Witten. If you 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.640 look at the combined career of most of those guys, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.920 Dallas Clark was a really good player for you know, 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.520 for the Colts. But man, I mean his his numbers 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.720 was compared to all those guys that were selected ahead 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.440 of him, you couldn't add him up and have a 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.480 better guy than what you had with Jason Witten. So 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.480 we got very fortunate draft. Guard gods were smiling on 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.360 us that day that he happened to be there when 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.040 it was our turn to pick. Do you remember the 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.560 guy from UCLA that year, Mike Seidman, Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.960 Parcelsa that was there was a discussion with Witton or 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.800 him in the third round. Yeah remember that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:01.720 Well the discussion really, and I've said the story before 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.040 is that Jerry looked up at the board and looked 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.080 at Bill and says, we gotta take him, don't we. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.720 I mean his tags there And this was really when 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.360 we first started uh doing things with you know, with 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.520 the way setting the board in a way to where 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.360 it was done by position, by round. And you know 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.080 Bill's line was always it looks like a you know, 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.000 a two day old Thanksgiving turkey. You know when the 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.480 board it gets picked off, everything gets picked off, and 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.080 you know, the board kind of tells you where you 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.600 need to go. And you know Jason went and there 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.960 was that was that tag and you're going, why yeah, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.120 let's go this that's our guy. And he he was 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.439 He was everything and more. You've heard me say that 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.000 he Bill had the vision, but he was everything and 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.400 more as far you know as we we didn't have 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.440 we we knew he was competitive, but we didn't know 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.800 he was this competitive, you know, we didn't know that 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.800 the passion and the you know, you saw it at Tennessee. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.800 I mean he was a defensive lineman at Tennessee. They 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.280 made a tight end out of and so, I mean 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.800 he's got that defensive mentality and we didn't evaluate that 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.480 correctly because he played with a lot of toughness for 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.319 fifteen years. So I wonder why he lasted that low. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.360 It was it was, yeah, yeah, he did. He did. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.160 And you can go back, Yeah, if you go back 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:21.160 and read Rick Goslin's uh, you know, from the former 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.560 Dallas Morning News and now this Hall of Fame radio. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:25.800 Rick put out a thing. I tweeted this, if you 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.280 want to go back and read it. It talks about 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:32.360 what people said about him during that draft. And there 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.679 were position coaches that, hey, I don't see this up 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.000 the field, guy, I don't see this block, or I 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.520 don't see this time. There were a lot of comments 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:45.320 that were made about Witton that weren't very flattering. There 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.280 were a lot of people that questioned his ability, they 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:53.000 questioned his his presence on the field and all and 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.560 and so yeah, I mean we had the grade we 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.559 did on him but if you read the comments from 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.199 a lot of those guys, a lot of those position coaches, 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.200 a lot of those head coaches, a lot of those scouts, 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.720 it wasn't the most flattering. People liked L. J. Smith, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.320 who the Eagles took, Mike Seidman at Carolina, you know, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.480 Dallas Clark was a I mean there were there were 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.400 there were four or five different tight Ends that people 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.040 liked better than Witten, And again, a lot of the 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:23.800 evaluation about him was very, very poor, and that drove 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.800 people probably to go away from that way. I think 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.040 one of the most special things that I witnessed after 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.600 Witten's retirement was a lot of the outpour of support. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.079 Of course, you know, I mentioned you guys wrote very 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.000 flattering columns and articles and shared a lot of your 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.120 personal stories with them. But a lot of players are 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.720 not only on the team or that I've played with him, 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.959 but around the league. You know, it was interesting to 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.320 see Greg Olson shared that he was the first guy 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.240 that recruited him out of high school, right, you know, 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.040 and you don't realize that. Yeah, of course Greg ended 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.280 up going over to Miami, but it was neat to 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.760 see there's a relationship with tight ends that you see 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.400 across the NFL. They always respect one another. Zachert's you know, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.599 sent out a message. I believe Kyle Rudolf from the 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.440 Vikings a number of guys who just are honored to 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.000 even be in the same conversation of him. He's one 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.720 of the true tight ends when they talk about the position. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.760 He is a true tight end in a day and 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.479 age now where we really don't play with tight ends 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.160 that are in line or next to the tackle. I mean, 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.120 we played with a lot of guys that are upfield players, 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:32.360 flex players, detached players. Witton was a through throughout his career, 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.240 was a guy that could play in line, he could 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.920 play on the move, he could play flexed. You know, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.480 he was making plays down the field when when people 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.840 were were you know, they were they were stealing. To say, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.959 he's a throwbacks tight end in the way that they 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.600 traditionally played. I think that's where the guys like the 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.839 Greg Olsen's and the various tight ends around the league, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.600 the Tyler Eiferts, guys like that respect him because he 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.000 did it that way. You know, those guys are like, Heck, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:00.199 I don't know if I could get in there and 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.199 Russell with a defensive end. Heck, I was watching today 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.760 Jihad Ward, you know, and watching witten block in the 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.640 in the Oakland game, you know, and he's blocking on 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.800 Jihad Ward and he's he's taking care of him, and 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.680 I'm thinking, Okay, how many tight ends want to block 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.520 a two hundred and ninety six pound defensive end. And 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.560 Jason Wittenwood, you know, that's the difference between him and 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.040 a lot of guys. And I've said this before. That's 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.120 the thing. Another thing I respect about him is he 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.360 adapted his game when they got to Marco Murray going 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.040 and when they brought Zeke in, he wasn't the ninety 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.079 six catch guy anymore. He settled into that. I mean, 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:34.880 he was still a focal point, especially in the red 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.040 zone and stuff, but you know, that complimentary blocking role. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.839 And we're talking about a guy that's probably going to 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:41.400 be a first ballot Hall of Famer, see, and he 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.920 has Parcels to thank for that, because Parcels had the 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.840 picture of what he absolutely he saw Mark Bavarro, Howard 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.400 Cross toward Cross those guys a guy that can block 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.360 but also catch the ball. And obviously, you know, in 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.280 this day and age, the tight ends all want to 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.920 catch the ball. And it was almost like the Dallas 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.200 Stars telling you know, madonno, hey, Hitch told him, I 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.360 want you to play defense too. I want you to 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.719 take on their best guy, and he molded him in 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.840 this vision that he had. And Bill did that with 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.480 Witten because you know, we remember that I told the 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.880 story a thousand times about him calling him a past 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.840 catching tight end his rookie year when they came out 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.520 for that mini camp, and he said it very sarcastically, 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.400 like you know, I'm going to teach you to block, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.320 and he did and he can't. And you can't find 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.600 those guys. That's why it's hard. Everybody says, how are 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.000 you going to replace Jason Witten? Well, you're not, because 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.960 it's the colleges aren't producing those types of tight ends 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.520 at about and they come close. Sorry, they've maybe come 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.520 close with Schultz. I don't know if he can catch 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.719 the ball and run routes as well, but they liked 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.920 him because he can block, and maybe the other part 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.199 comes around with those guys just aren't can't go down 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.560 to Texico to get one. Bill. Yeah, there weren't enough 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.720 stars on the Captain patch for as long as Jason 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.560 Witten was a captain. Of course, they fill those stars 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.520 each year, but he had been a captain long over 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.640 those and to mention that, we're talking about how you 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.400 can replace him. Of course we'll get into Rob's Twitter 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.000 poll if you guys have gone at talking cowboys on 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.480 Twitter to vote in that. But how do you replace 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.360 that type of leadership and just the soul of the team. Really, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.280 you know, if you guys have seen all or nothing, 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.760 you see the speeches he has. You see how many 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:32.320 times he's references his tough grit that he inspires everyone 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.720 around him. How do you even match that? Well, I 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.680 think that there's guys in that locker room that are 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.200 capable of it. And I think this is now where 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.720 Dak Prescott has to step up, even though he will 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.320 be a third year guy. It's really easy to sail. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.680 The quarterback has to step up. But you know defense, 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.240 Sean Lee will step up and do what he has 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.600 to do. But I think on offense, though, it's going 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.600 to have to come from your quarterback. He's going to 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.720 have to be a different leader than what Tony Romo. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.120 Tony Romo was a leader in a way of relying 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.440 on really on Jason Witten to be the leader. You know. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.760 That's and now you know quarterbacks, he needs to come 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.960 in there and have the attitude of Okay, this is 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.600 my team. Well I've got to do this. I've got 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.680 to step up. I've got to make people accountable. I 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.240 think that's where Jason Witten being a leader is one thing. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.800 But I think that you have to make players around 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.600 you accountable. And but you have to be accountable for yourself, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.560 you know. And I think that's where Prescott is capable 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.160 of that. Offensively, he can't, you know, the offensive lineman 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.160 have always been You're not going to get you know, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.880 Tyron Smith. Tyren Smith is a leader in his way, 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.600 in a quiet way, a leader by example. I think 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.760 Prescott is going to be the emotional leader, the verbal 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.400 leader at what the team needs. So they've got guys, 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.040 you know, like I say, Travis Frederick can be a leader. 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.840 They've got Zack Martin that can be a leader. You know, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.120 They've got guys that are capable of stepping up. But 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.440 they need that quarterback on the offense especially to step 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.520 up and be the leader. Yeah, Tyren Smith will speak 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.520 up when needed to. But I think you're right. I 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.960 think the linemen are more. They're just have so much 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.960 respect in the locker room for how they go about 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.080 their business. You know, Witton did that, and he also 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:11.720 we saw it, like you said, town all or nothing, 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.000 like in the middle of that awful three game losing streak, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:15.640 it was him in the meeting room trying to get 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.720 guys don't give in, don't give in. I don't know 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.680 if they have a true vocal guy day in day 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.640 out right now, but yeah, I think Dak's the natural 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:26.960 fit because Dak can. We've seen it with Dak. He 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.440 can connect with anybody in that locker room and he's 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.040 a quarterback, so he gets a natural place and you've 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.520 got to earn it though, and it just does somebody 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.280 don't just say, Okay, I'm the guy. I think Dak's 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.360 the most likely one. If you look at everybody that's 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:46.240 not an offensive lineman our land Buddy's left right, and 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.640 if you think about it, you know, Michael Irvin was 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.240 that guy for the Cowboys over all those years, and 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.560 he gets hurt and there was a gap from nineteen 0:16:54.680 --> 0:17:00.200 ninety nine till Witten kind of took over, but he 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.560 didn't take over as a rookie. He didn't take over 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.439 his second year. Maybe it was his third year or 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:09.879 fourth year when he actually starts producing and people go, okay, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.240 let's follow that guy. So it's not anybody's going to 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.320 raise their hand and go okay, I'm taken over for way. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.119 Let me ask you this out of the question, hell 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.960 take I'll take this one. Is that the question of 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.239 a guy like Cole Beasley as a leader is that 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.160 out of the question, And just as the way of 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.959 maybe maybe, and it's to a point of Rob's you know, 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.280 it's a point of a player that seems to get 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.240 along with everybody in the locker room. And he's also 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.280 been here a while. Yeah, he's been here, and maybe 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.480 maybe it's time where he and Dak. I don't think 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:44.600 I see. I see leadership with Elliott more through play, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.560 you know, physical play than I do being outspoken and 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.320 all that. But maybe Cole Beasley is a guy that 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.359 you'll see see starts stepping up a little more, making 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.880 more people accountable for what they're doing in the group. 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.399 Because he's a guy that I've kind of noticed if 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.600 you watch the the thing that it's not afraid to 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.679 say something. He's not afraid to say, hey, listen, this 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.760 needs to be done differently or something needs to be 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.919 and I thot Tyrone Crawford, I think that I'm just 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.480 like kind of thinking about offensively more right now because 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.520 I think Sean Lee will defense and Shaun Lee can't 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.119 be in both meeting rooms. So if you get Tyron 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.520 Crawford is a good I kind of always thought, uh, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.560 you know that that he was a guy that people 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.520 respected in that room. He played through injury. You know, 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.600 he's kind of seen the highs the lows, uh you know, 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.520 but Sean Lee was always going to take care of 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.240 things on defensive. I think the leadership and the believe 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.119 it or not is going to come from this is 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.720 gonna sound funny because it's not a player. I think 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.400 that Chris Rashard is going to be a leader and 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.159 and hear me out on this. I think he's the 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.600 one just talking to John Snyder about the type of 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.320 personality in a room. I mean, he could go in 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.359 there and get those guys rallied up. John was like, man, 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.280 you're gonna love this guy. The way he makes people accountable. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.399 I think that's leader ship is make people accountable. And 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.960 maybe that's not always the player, but maybe a coach 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.399 steps in there and says, hey, listen, well, you guys, 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.360 I'm going to tell you how this needs to be done. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.920 Christoph Shard's got skins on the wall too. I mean, 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.680 he coached and raised so many young guys back there. Yeah, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.800 I mean, but that legion of boom, that's one of 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.719 the best defensive secondaries we've seen in the last twenty years, right, 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.360 and he helped grow that thing. 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