Speaker 1: This he's Talking Cowboys screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Ryan Brats, Rob Phillips and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody into
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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys for you guys today on Talking Tuesday. For
Speaker 1: your clarification, Mick, and it's Talking Tuesday with a new show.
Speaker 1: Oh you know you know what it is, sassafrass. Yes,
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Speaker 1: What country do you think we are today? Olympics. We're
Speaker 1: in the Olympics. Scotland, Scotland. Yes, yeah, we got the
Speaker 1: lion wimbledonen. Right, Micky, you look like you're about to
Speaker 1: go play some golf. I wish I was. Yeah. Are
Speaker 1: you any good at golf? No? Okay, I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure the best thing I can do for
Speaker 1: a team on one of those charity golf deal's put. No,
Speaker 1: my handicap is as high as it can be, so
Speaker 1: if they if they grade your score according to the handicap.
Speaker 1: My team gets lots of points. Obviously you're not a golfer.
Speaker 1: That's Right's right. He's a team player though. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a great sign name. It's good for the team. Pictures
Speaker 1: what he is, yes, yes, and a team player we
Speaker 1: all know and love. Jason Witton officially retired after fifteen
Speaker 1: seasons with the Dallas Cowboys. Of course, if you guys
Speaker 1: have read Mickey's calm about his departure, I know there
Speaker 1: was a lot of coverage over the weekend and it
Speaker 1: was a very emotional sixteen minute speech he gave at
Speaker 1: the press conference. Garrett emotional, Jerry Jones. It was as
Speaker 1: a hard few days for Cowboys nation, I assume. But
Speaker 1: he has gone now and we must move on, we
Speaker 1: must say our goodbyes. Yeah. Tony Romo shared a very
Speaker 1: special letter last night to the best player he's ever
Speaker 1: played with. Yeah, I think that's fair. That's fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, that's fair. It's funny you go along and
Speaker 1: he's it's with players and at one time, you know,
Speaker 1: I had where in Romo and Witt and as all
Speaker 1: guys kind of I still connected to just from a
Speaker 1: draft perspective, you know, two thousand and three and two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, and then it goes from three to
Speaker 1: two to one to none, and it just shows you
Speaker 1: how his careers, you know, I mean fifteen years a
Speaker 1: long time. I mean we drafted Jason Witten. I mean
Speaker 1: he was a young guy, went twenty twenty one years old,
Speaker 1: and now you see him, he's now, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to retire and go on to Money Night Football.
Speaker 1: But good for him. I think he made the right choice.
Speaker 1: I really do. I said this the other day. I
Speaker 1: felt like that that the the decision he had to
Speaker 1: make that Monday night Football is an iconic brand, and
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he was as the opportunity
Speaker 1: to go and be a part of that, I think
Speaker 1: is fabulous that he can do that. And so you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I believe he asked Bill Parcels. Parcells told
Speaker 1: him the same thing, Hey, you gotta go on, you
Speaker 1: got to go do this. So good for him. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a great opportunity for him. And and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that that he will enlighten football fans much like
Speaker 1: he's enlightened us over the years. When we get a
Speaker 1: chance to visit with him. Yeah, maybe you called it
Speaker 1: the offer he could not refuse, shouldn't refuse, and he
Speaker 1: shouldn't refuse it because as Brian just said, you know
Speaker 1: that comes out around once every yeah, you know, seems
Speaker 1: like decade. And so if you want to do it
Speaker 1: and you've put in fifteen years, uh, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure what the Cowboys had planned this
Speaker 1: year year at tight end, but you know, when you're
Speaker 1: hitting thirty six and fifteen years in, you're going on
Speaker 1: your sixteenth, you know, chances are I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna play ninety percent of the plays. You may not
Speaker 1: play eighty percent of the play. So I think it
Speaker 1: was time and I think he he sort of knew it.
Speaker 1: But it's hard to say. And as I put it
Speaker 1: out in my column, he's never quit, right, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he quit, but he moved on, moved on. Uh.
Speaker 1: He didn't quit with a buck broken jaw, he didn't
Speaker 1: quit with a lacerated spleen. He didn't quit without a helmet.
Speaker 1: And for him to say, Okay, I'm I'm leaving it
Speaker 1: was a very tough thing. And you know, I've had
Speaker 1: three or four people tell me how he kind of
Speaker 1: went back and forth on this whole thing to the
Speaker 1: point of tears that he couldn't decide. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought I thought though that he came to the right conclusion.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be awfully good. How he can exp
Speaker 1: lane things. I think if anybody needed an example, how
Speaker 1: Jason explained how Witton gave the presentation on his why
Speaker 1: option route, which is a very seemingly simple route, but
Speaker 1: he goes into the detail he did and knew what
Speaker 1: everybody else was doing on the play. Sure, it's it's
Speaker 1: rather amazing, and I think he will bring that to
Speaker 1: the broadcast and hopefully he brings Jason Witten to it.
Speaker 1: Not try to be something he's not, just the way
Speaker 1: Tony Romo gave him the example. Don't think this is
Speaker 1: the cookie counter way you're supposed to be an analyst.
Speaker 1: Just go on there and be yourself. Be yourself. If
Speaker 1: he's himself, people are gonna love him because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people got a glimpse into maybe a
Speaker 1: different side of him during that forty five minute press conference.
Speaker 1: Just how genuine and what an earnest guy he is.
Speaker 1: He's so likable, and I think that's going to translate well.
Speaker 1: On TV. We were ketting, I were down in Palm
Speaker 1: Beach interviewed coach Parcels a few weeks ago and we
Speaker 1: mentioned him, hey, you know, maybe Witten down the road
Speaker 1: might get into coaching, and he laughed and said that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's two sides to that pancake. That
Speaker 1: was one of his famous cliches. Maybe one day Whitten
Speaker 1: will be a coach. I don't know. He's only thirty
Speaker 1: six years old. He's got a lot of life in
Speaker 1: front of him. Um. But you know, Romo found his
Speaker 1: voice doing TV last year, and I think Romo's on
Speaker 1: his way to be in the next Madden and Witten
Speaker 1: might very well do that as well. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be great at it. Go be John Wayne,
Speaker 1: Go be John Wayne. Yeah, you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about that. Hey, two thousand and three draft, you're forgetting
Speaker 1: about somebody who's buckled up for another season. Terence Newman
Speaker 1: about that he's ready for it. Yeah, he was too
Speaker 1: old when we drafted him the first time, when he
Speaker 1: was twenty five. Yeah. Yeah, we took a lot degree
Speaker 1: for that one, just because But now he's two thousand
Speaker 1: and three three. Yeah, he's found a coach that really
Speaker 1: respects his game and understands his game and takes care
Speaker 1: of him in that regard, in Mike Zimmer, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: no more. Yeah, everywhere Mike's been, Mike has brought him along,
Speaker 1: and Terrence is always come in shape and ready to go.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's yeah, you're running out of guys
Speaker 1: and that that whole uh, that whole draft. But it
Speaker 1: was incredible. I mean, Witton was I've told the story before.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, on our board as a first
Speaker 1: round grade and here you are, you getting the third round.
Speaker 1: And it was a really unusual draft because of all
Speaker 1: the tight ends that were available and people were just
Speaker 1: picking them off one after another. And Witten. If you
Speaker 1: look at the combined career of most of those guys,
Speaker 1: Dallas Clark was a really good player for you know,
Speaker 1: for the Colts. But man, I mean his his numbers
Speaker 1: was compared to all those guys that were selected ahead
Speaker 1: of him, you couldn't add him up and have a
Speaker 1: better guy than what you had with Jason Witten. So
Speaker 1: we got very fortunate draft. Guard gods were smiling on
Speaker 1: us that day that he happened to be there when
Speaker 1: it was our turn to pick. Do you remember the
Speaker 1: guy from UCLA that year, Mike Seidman, Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Parcelsa that was there was a discussion with Witton or
Speaker 1: him in the third round. Yeah remember that? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Well the discussion really, and I've said the story before
Speaker 1: is that Jerry looked up at the board and looked
Speaker 1: at Bill and says, we gotta take him, don't we.
Speaker 1: I mean his tags there And this was really when
Speaker 1: we first started uh doing things with you know, with
Speaker 1: the way setting the board in a way to where
Speaker 1: it was done by position, by round. And you know
Speaker 1: Bill's line was always it looks like a you know,
Speaker 1: a two day old Thanksgiving turkey. You know when the
Speaker 1: board it gets picked off, everything gets picked off, and
Speaker 1: you know, the board kind of tells you where you
Speaker 1: need to go. And you know Jason went and there
Speaker 1: was that was that tag and you're going, why yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go this that's our guy. And he he was
Speaker 1: He was everything and more. You've heard me say that
Speaker 1: he Bill had the vision, but he was everything and
Speaker 1: more as far you know as we we didn't have
Speaker 1: we we knew he was competitive, but we didn't know
Speaker 1: he was this competitive, you know, we didn't know that
Speaker 1: the passion and the you know, you saw it at Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I mean he was a defensive lineman at Tennessee. They
Speaker 1: made a tight end out of and so, I mean
Speaker 1: he's got that defensive mentality and we didn't evaluate that
Speaker 1: correctly because he played with a lot of toughness for
Speaker 1: fifteen years. So I wonder why he lasted that low.
Speaker 1: It was it was, yeah, yeah, he did. He did.
Speaker 1: And you can go back, Yeah, if you go back
Speaker 1: and read Rick Goslin's uh, you know, from the former
Speaker 1: Dallas Morning News and now this Hall of Fame radio.
Speaker 1: Rick put out a thing. I tweeted this, if you
Speaker 1: want to go back and read it. It talks about
Speaker 1: what people said about him during that draft. And there
Speaker 1: were position coaches that, hey, I don't see this up
Speaker 1: the field, guy, I don't see this block, or I
Speaker 1: don't see this time. There were a lot of comments
Speaker 1: that were made about Witton that weren't very flattering. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of people that questioned his ability, they
Speaker 1: questioned his his presence on the field and all and
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I mean we had the grade we
Speaker 1: did on him but if you read the comments from
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys, a lot of those position coaches,
Speaker 1: a lot of those head coaches, a lot of those scouts,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the most flattering. People liked L. J. Smith,
Speaker 1: who the Eagles took, Mike Seidman at Carolina, you know,
Speaker 1: Dallas Clark was a I mean there were there were
Speaker 1: there were four or five different tight Ends that people
Speaker 1: liked better than Witten, And again, a lot of the
Speaker 1: evaluation about him was very, very poor, and that drove
Speaker 1: people probably to go away from that way. I think
Speaker 1: one of the most special things that I witnessed after
Speaker 1: Witten's retirement was a lot of the outpour of support.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, I mentioned you guys wrote very
Speaker 1: flattering columns and articles and shared a lot of your
Speaker 1: personal stories with them. But a lot of players are
Speaker 1: not only on the team or that I've played with him,
Speaker 1: but around the league. You know, it was interesting to
Speaker 1: see Greg Olson shared that he was the first guy
Speaker 1: that recruited him out of high school, right, you know,
Speaker 1: and you don't realize that. Yeah, of course Greg ended
Speaker 1: up going over to Miami, but it was neat to
Speaker 1: see there's a relationship with tight ends that you see
Speaker 1: across the NFL. They always respect one another. Zachert's you know,
Speaker 1: sent out a message. I believe Kyle Rudolf from the
Speaker 1: Vikings a number of guys who just are honored to
Speaker 1: even be in the same conversation of him. He's one
Speaker 1: of the true tight ends when they talk about the position.
Speaker 1: He is a true tight end in a day and
Speaker 1: age now where we really don't play with tight ends
Speaker 1: that are in line or next to the tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: we played with a lot of guys that are upfield players,
Speaker 1: flex players, detached players. Witton was a through throughout his career,
Speaker 1: was a guy that could play in line, he could
Speaker 1: play on the move, he could play flexed. You know,
Speaker 1: he was making plays down the field when when people
Speaker 1: were were you know, they were they were stealing. To say,
Speaker 1: he's a throwbacks tight end in the way that they
Speaker 1: traditionally played. I think that's where the guys like the
Speaker 1: Greg Olsen's and the various tight ends around the league,
Speaker 1: the Tyler Eiferts, guys like that respect him because he
Speaker 1: did it that way. You know, those guys are like, Heck,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could get in there and
Speaker 1: Russell with a defensive end. Heck, I was watching today
Speaker 1: Jihad Ward, you know, and watching witten block in the
Speaker 1: in the Oakland game, you know, and he's blocking on
Speaker 1: Jihad Ward and he's he's taking care of him, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, how many tight ends want to block
Speaker 1: a two hundred and ninety six pound defensive end. And
Speaker 1: Jason Wittenwood, you know, that's the difference between him and
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. And I've said this before. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. Another thing I respect about him is he
Speaker 1: adapted his game when they got to Marco Murray going
Speaker 1: and when they brought Zeke in, he wasn't the ninety
Speaker 1: six catch guy anymore. He settled into that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was still a focal point, especially in the red
Speaker 1: zone and stuff, but you know, that complimentary blocking role.
Speaker 1: And we're talking about a guy that's probably going to
Speaker 1: be a first ballot Hall of Famer, see, and he
Speaker 1: has Parcels to thank for that, because Parcels had the
Speaker 1: picture of what he absolutely he saw Mark Bavarro, Howard
Speaker 1: Cross toward Cross those guys a guy that can block
Speaker 1: but also catch the ball. And obviously, you know, in
Speaker 1: this day and age, the tight ends all want to
Speaker 1: catch the ball. And it was almost like the Dallas
Speaker 1: Stars telling you know, madonno, hey, Hitch told him, I
Speaker 1: want you to play defense too. I want you to
Speaker 1: take on their best guy, and he molded him in
Speaker 1: this vision that he had. And Bill did that with
Speaker 1: Witten because you know, we remember that I told the
Speaker 1: story a thousand times about him calling him a past
Speaker 1: catching tight end his rookie year when they came out
Speaker 1: for that mini camp, and he said it very sarcastically,
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm going to teach you to block,
Speaker 1: and he did and he can't. And you can't find
Speaker 1: those guys. That's why it's hard. Everybody says, how are
Speaker 1: you going to replace Jason Witten? Well, you're not, because
Speaker 1: it's the colleges aren't producing those types of tight ends
Speaker 1: at about and they come close. Sorry, they've maybe come
Speaker 1: close with Schultz. I don't know if he can catch
Speaker 1: the ball and run routes as well, but they liked
Speaker 1: him because he can block, and maybe the other part
Speaker 1: comes around with those guys just aren't can't go down
Speaker 1: to Texico to get one. Bill. Yeah, there weren't enough
Speaker 1: stars on the Captain patch for as long as Jason
Speaker 1: Witten was a captain. Of course, they fill those stars
Speaker 1: each year, but he had been a captain long over
Speaker 1: those and to mention that, we're talking about how you
Speaker 1: can replace him. Of course we'll get into Rob's Twitter
Speaker 1: poll if you guys have gone at talking cowboys on
Speaker 1: Twitter to vote in that. But how do you replace
Speaker 1: that type of leadership and just the soul of the team. Really,
Speaker 1: you know, if you guys have seen all or nothing,
Speaker 1: you see the speeches he has. You see how many
Speaker 1: times he's references his tough grit that he inspires everyone
Speaker 1: around him. How do you even match that? Well, I
Speaker 1: think that there's guys in that locker room that are
Speaker 1: capable of it. And I think this is now where
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott has to step up, even though he will
Speaker 1: be a third year guy. It's really easy to sail.
Speaker 1: The quarterback has to step up. But you know defense,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee will step up and do what he has
Speaker 1: to do. But I think on offense, though, it's going
Speaker 1: to have to come from your quarterback. He's going to
Speaker 1: have to be a different leader than what Tony Romo.
Speaker 1: Tony Romo was a leader in a way of relying
Speaker 1: on really on Jason Witten to be the leader. You know.
Speaker 1: That's and now you know quarterbacks, he needs to come
Speaker 1: in there and have the attitude of Okay, this is
Speaker 1: my team. Well I've got to do this. I've got
Speaker 1: to step up. I've got to make people accountable. I
Speaker 1: think that's where Jason Witten being a leader is one thing.
Speaker 1: But I think that you have to make players around
Speaker 1: you accountable. And but you have to be accountable for yourself,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's where Prescott is capable
Speaker 1: of that. Offensively, he can't, you know, the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: have always been You're not going to get you know,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith. Tyren Smith is a leader in his way,
Speaker 1: in a quiet way, a leader by example. I think
Speaker 1: Prescott is going to be the emotional leader, the verbal
Speaker 1: leader at what the team needs. So they've got guys,
Speaker 1: you know, like I say, Travis Frederick can be a leader.
Speaker 1: They've got Zack Martin that can be a leader. You know,
Speaker 1: They've got guys that are capable of stepping up. But
Speaker 1: they need that quarterback on the offense especially to step
Speaker 1: up and be the leader. Yeah, Tyren Smith will speak
Speaker 1: up when needed to. But I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think the linemen are more. They're just have so much
Speaker 1: respect in the locker room for how they go about
Speaker 1: their business. You know, Witton did that, and he also
Speaker 1: we saw it, like you said, town all or nothing,
Speaker 1: like in the middle of that awful three game losing streak,
Speaker 1: it was him in the meeting room trying to get
Speaker 1: guys don't give in, don't give in. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they have a true vocal guy day in day
Speaker 1: out right now, but yeah, I think Dak's the natural
Speaker 1: fit because Dak can. We've seen it with Dak. He
Speaker 1: can connect with anybody in that locker room and he's
Speaker 1: a quarterback, so he gets a natural place and you've
Speaker 1: got to earn it though, and it just does somebody
Speaker 1: don't just say, Okay, I'm the guy. I think Dak's
Speaker 1: the most likely one. If you look at everybody that's
Speaker 1: not an offensive lineman our land Buddy's left right, and
Speaker 1: if you think about it, you know, Michael Irvin was
Speaker 1: that guy for the Cowboys over all those years, and
Speaker 1: he gets hurt and there was a gap from nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine till Witten kind of took over, but he
Speaker 1: didn't take over as a rookie. He didn't take over
Speaker 1: his second year. Maybe it was his third year or
Speaker 1: fourth year when he actually starts producing and people go, okay,
Speaker 1: let's follow that guy. So it's not anybody's going to
Speaker 1: raise their hand and go okay, I'm taken over for way.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this out of the question, hell
Speaker 1: take I'll take this one. Is that the question of
Speaker 1: a guy like Cole Beasley as a leader is that
Speaker 1: out of the question, And just as the way of
Speaker 1: maybe maybe, and it's to a point of Rob's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a point of a player that seems to get
Speaker 1: along with everybody in the locker room. And he's also
Speaker 1: been here a while. Yeah, he's been here, and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it's time where he and Dak. I don't think
Speaker 1: I see. I see leadership with Elliott more through play,
Speaker 1: you know, physical play than I do being outspoken and
Speaker 1: all that. But maybe Cole Beasley is a guy that
Speaker 1: you'll see see starts stepping up a little more, making
Speaker 1: more people accountable for what they're doing in the group.
Speaker 1: Because he's a guy that I've kind of noticed if
Speaker 1: you watch the the thing that it's not afraid to
Speaker 1: say something. He's not afraid to say, hey, listen, this
Speaker 1: needs to be done differently or something needs to be
Speaker 1: and I thot Tyrone Crawford, I think that I'm just
Speaker 1: like kind of thinking about offensively more right now because
Speaker 1: I think Sean Lee will defense and Shaun Lee can't
Speaker 1: be in both meeting rooms. So if you get Tyron
Speaker 1: Crawford is a good I kind of always thought, uh,
Speaker 1: you know that that he was a guy that people
Speaker 1: respected in that room. He played through injury. You know,
Speaker 1: he's kind of seen the highs the lows, uh you know,
Speaker 1: but Sean Lee was always going to take care of
Speaker 1: things on defensive. I think the leadership and the believe
Speaker 1: it or not is going to come from this is
Speaker 1: gonna sound funny because it's not a player. I think
Speaker 1: that Chris Rashard is going to be a leader and
Speaker 1: and hear me out on this. I think he's the
Speaker 1: one just talking to John Snyder about the type of
Speaker 1: personality in a room. I mean, he could go in
Speaker 1: there and get those guys rallied up. John was like, man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna love this guy. The way he makes people accountable.
Speaker 1: I think that's leader ship is make people accountable. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's not always the player, but maybe a coach
Speaker 1: steps in there and says, hey, listen, well, you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you how this needs to be done.
Speaker 1: Christoph Shard's got skins on the wall too. I mean,
Speaker 1: he coached and raised so many young guys back there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but that legion of boom, that's one of
Speaker 1: the best defensive secondaries we've seen in the last twenty years, right,
Speaker 1: and he helped grow that thing. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's natural respect there him coming in absolutely Well, let's
Speaker 1: take our first break here. When we come back, we
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Speaker 1: they will be officially welcomed to the Star as Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: arriving probably Thursday afternoon, nothing really, probably meeting around and
Speaker 1: then Friday and Saturday having their rookie mini camp. But
Speaker 1: it's basically now just a teaching session. It's kind of
Speaker 1: similar down yeah, it used to be where we used
Speaker 1: to beat the living daylight. They would we'd see how
Speaker 1: many guys could get sick during a practice. That was
Speaker 1: kind of a thing that we were doing there for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but and that was without an indoor facility as well,
Speaker 1: so that was kind of one of those things. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's more now about kind of getting guys acclimated
Speaker 1: to what's going on and what happens. Just my experience
Speaker 1: of handling this, I'm really happy he went two weeks
Speaker 1: after the draft. I think that's really the right way
Speaker 1: to go. You bring these guys in the week after
Speaker 1: they mean, they have not been working out at all.
Speaker 1: Guys have done there that then their pro days, they've
Speaker 1: worked out for teams. You know, now they're getting refer
Speaker 1: a draft to get drafted, So no sense of bringing
Speaker 1: somebody in here. We saw what you know, could happen
Speaker 1: with all the hamstrings that happened last year, and it
Speaker 1: robs some of those kids opportunities to play and to
Speaker 1: get ready for training camp, and so it hurt. So
Speaker 1: the smart thing is to kind of get them in,
Speaker 1: get them acclimated, let them lift, let them get back
Speaker 1: into some shape, and then kind of figure things out,
Speaker 1: work with them mentally. Their heads are going to be
Speaker 1: spinning as is. It's a pretty fast paced thing as
Speaker 1: we all know. So I like the way it's the
Speaker 1: teaching aspect of it. When you have the big mini
Speaker 1: camps and stuff with all the veterans, I think that's
Speaker 1: a good opportunity to let these guys go and get
Speaker 1: some work. And they give teams the option. I mean,
Speaker 1: they could have had the mini camp last week, right,
Speaker 1: but you know it's it's smart. Let them get their
Speaker 1: feet underneath them and look like, getch their breath. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've been on a job interview for the last four
Speaker 1: months exactly, so you know, an OTA start up in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks anyway, that's when it's really gonna
Speaker 1: get going. They're gonna be in there with the vets,
Speaker 1: so let them, let them acclimate. And there's another part
Speaker 1: to that too. There's no sense bringing them in for
Speaker 1: a weekend and then sending them home and then the
Speaker 1: next week you got to bring them back yea or
Speaker 1: two weeks later for the start of OTAs. So now
Speaker 1: they can stay what May sixteenth, whatever the date is,
Speaker 1: that Monday, and they don't have to go back unless
Speaker 1: they're on quarter systems in college. So you actually save
Speaker 1: some money too. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, to give to Taylor
Speaker 1: to give. That's usually where it goes right right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's so kind of them to do that. But yes,
Speaker 1: they get to come in here. I think some of them.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny, you know, Um, they do get
Speaker 1: to meet some of the players that might just be
Speaker 1: around in the building. Because I remember last year and
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer got here, the first guy you met was
Speaker 1: Colt Easily. Now, the funny thing is is when they
Speaker 1: go out and have that rookie minicamp, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the watching like, okay, let me see what I'm up against, right,
Speaker 1: And it's been that's been going on for years, you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of that again, this might be change a little.
Speaker 1: I'll try and make it quick about these veteran quarterbacks
Speaker 1: around the league. You know, there's some guys that have
Speaker 1: been drafted, have been Roethlisberger. What was going on with
Speaker 1: that pick? Yeah, Ben Roethlisberger not too happy with you know,
Speaker 1: with Mason Rudolph and drafted. He's basically saying, ah, you know,
Speaker 1: if if he asked me a question, I'll point to
Speaker 1: the playbook where when Ben Roethlisberger came in, Tommy Maddox
Speaker 1: helped him every single day that he was a rookie,
Speaker 1: you know, and he said, hey, I wouldn't be here
Speaker 1: today without Just find it funny the veteran quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: are kind of guy in Baltimore is the same way
Speaker 1: it's been. Hadn't been like that forever Montana and young
Speaker 1: didn't like you know, this isn't mean, this isn't this
Speaker 1: isn't that movie with al Paccino. What's it any given Sunday?
Speaker 1: You know, with a veteran quarterback, you know, Cap doesn't
Speaker 1: want to help anybody whatever. You know. I think that's
Speaker 1: in more positions than just quarterback. I know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the one that people talk about. And you know,
Speaker 1: and again a guy's trying to take your job. You
Speaker 1: know what. Listen here, Roethlisberger, you had a hell of
Speaker 1: a run. Joe Flacker, you've had a hell of a run.
Speaker 1: You know, try trying, yeah, try and have a little
Speaker 1: you know. And here yeah, you know, and I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying because he's a Steeler for life, right
Speaker 1: and they've stood behind him through stuff. So sure this help,
Speaker 1: This helps the organization going forward. If you have this
Speaker 1: young guy, don't question. Oh I wonder a third round
Speaker 1: you could have picked a player that could have could
Speaker 1: have helped the team win. Now you know what, shut up? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was always actually I was always surprised about the
Speaker 1: guys that picked the quarterbacks can replace you get ready,
Speaker 1: the guys that went the other way and actually helped
Speaker 1: the newcomers out. And it's like, why are you doing that?
Speaker 1: Guys coming here to take your job, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's going to make the team better. Yeah, And that
Speaker 1: was their thought process going through that. And it happens
Speaker 1: every year, and I think it goes both ways, but
Speaker 1: this is the first time I've seen it so outspoken.
Speaker 1: Oh no, well, Ben Roethlisberg, I'm serious. Ben Roethlisberger was
Speaker 1: helped by Tommy Maddox. Tommy Maddox was not. I mean
Speaker 1: Tommy Max was a Blacksmith quarterback. He wasn't. There was
Speaker 1: anything great about Tommy Man. But what Tommy Maddox Mark
Speaker 1: Sanchez trying to help Dak you know, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're a starting quarterback, there's no there's no Brett Farve
Speaker 1: didn't help Aaron Rodgers at all, you know, and so
Speaker 1: why competition? I don't care. All right, Well, we're going
Speaker 1: to the phone lines of course, you guys can always
Speaker 1: call us the numbers eight eight eight eight five five
Speaker 1: two two ninety seven also on the screen over there,
Speaker 1: but we have Jack from California on the line. What's
Speaker 1: up Jack? Hey, Hey, guys doing it's from Arizona. Actually sorry,
Speaker 1: we have a battle between California. We're the better of
Speaker 1: the two states. But anyway, I didn't know that battle.
Speaker 1: It's a big one. You get all their southern California
Speaker 1: people come over to Arizona. But my question is for
Speaker 1: um um any of us. Brian, Yeah, well exactly, Brian
Speaker 1: and Mickey especially. This was something that you guys just
Speaker 1: recently brought up, and I was just curious. You talked
Speaker 1: about the mini camps and the OTAs and things like that,
Speaker 1: and this is something that I've been noticing over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. And my question is, with the
Speaker 1: soft tissue problems that our players are having, is this
Speaker 1: a lack of conditioning on their part or is this
Speaker 1: an over working on our coaches and strengthening, because I've
Speaker 1: heard a lot about how we make our guys run
Speaker 1: a ton and they're always pulling up on their hammies,
Speaker 1: and we've got guys like Cheeto and Jordan Lewis and
Speaker 1: even Cold Easley last year was even hurt. And I
Speaker 1: think Ryan Switz was even hurt. And it seems to
Speaker 1: be a very common thing, is that all these guys
Speaker 1: are coming in unconditioned or is it we're just over
Speaker 1: exerting them too much and trying to trying to bring
Speaker 1: them up too fast. I'll hang up and listen. Thank you, guys, Hammies.
Speaker 1: It had been both. Guy Brian just explained how these
Speaker 1: guys for since January February, they're they're training for the combine,
Speaker 1: they're training for personal workouts, they're not training to play football.
Speaker 1: And then they're taking trips, you know, chicken dinners, banquets,
Speaker 1: name it so. And then you get him here and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, oh, I gotta go play football,
Speaker 1: and I gotta cut. I'm not running just a forty
Speaker 1: yard dash and they're not ready for that. And then
Speaker 1: you overwork them. Plus you send them out there, and
Speaker 1: the trainers will tell you this to the end of
Speaker 1: the earth. So I'm gonna send these guys out there
Speaker 1: with a helmet, a jersey and shorts and let's go
Speaker 1: play football. And we're gonna go up against each other
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna start diving for passes or I'm diving
Speaker 1: to break one up. I don't have shoulder pads on sure,
Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna hurt my shoulder. So the whole
Speaker 1: concept of that rookie mini camp, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know the media watching and think about Dez Bryant's first day.
Speaker 1: He lost his breakfast or lunch or whatever. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden it is, oh see does not in shape.
Speaker 1: And it started right there the first day, the scrutiny,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I just think this is the smartest
Speaker 1: way to do it. Let these guys come in, have
Speaker 1: it kind of more of a teaching session on the field,
Speaker 1: and then before they start OTAs and start doing this,
Speaker 1: they'll have two weeks. It's like that day before you
Speaker 1: started high school. The freshman would come in and kind
Speaker 1: of see where their classes war, see where the building orientation.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little orientation for them to see, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to the room, it's over here, and
Speaker 1: get your helmet, ride and meet everybody. I don't think
Speaker 1: players have enough time off myself. Oh they don't. I don't,
Speaker 1: And this is what I would do. And if there
Speaker 1: was some way to do this. There's all this work
Speaker 1: that's put into these mini camps, OTAs and all that
Speaker 1: getting to this point where the guys are in the
Speaker 1: best shape of the of the summer. They're in the
Speaker 1: best shape of the summer June fourteenth of June sixteenth,
Speaker 1: and then they got a month off and then they
Speaker 1: come back to camp. I totally agree with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would figure out a way to a backsh it
Speaker 1: all back in. Have your mini camps two weeks before
Speaker 1: training camp, so you kind of get an idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you're giving your guys more time off, but you're
Speaker 1: also going in from mini camp to say a week
Speaker 1: off to let's go get on a plane and then
Speaker 1: go to Oxnard. Yeah, if you don't want to, you're
Speaker 1: not saying that all the work leading up to June
Speaker 1: mid June is wasted. But you know, guys are off
Speaker 1: at that point for an entire month, six weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're working out on your own.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're working out really but yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: you're trying. I'm trying. You're trying to get your last
Speaker 1: breath before everything hits the fan. And the sin, the
Speaker 1: sin of this whole thing is as well, this is
Speaker 1: the way we always used to do it. Well, the
Speaker 1: way you always used to do it wasn't really and
Speaker 1: we can go back to I remember Patrick Creighton coming
Speaker 1: in here as a rookie free agent, seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: Seventh round. Yeah, okay, same thing, uh, and he's got
Speaker 1: planner fasciitis, and he was not gonna take himself out.
Speaker 1: This is Bill Parcels, and I gotta shoo Bill Parcels.
Speaker 1: I'm tough, right, And he for two days after he
Speaker 1: did it. The first day he's pushing through it. He's limping,
Speaker 1: and I remember asking him, I said, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You know? And he goes, well, I can't let Bill
Speaker 1: think I'm soft. And it's like, well, okay, now you
Speaker 1: got this foot until you go to training camp. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's that's might have got him on the team. Well
Speaker 1: maybe I know, but you know, well then we can
Speaker 1: go last year. Yeah kind of impression those guys. I
Speaker 1: would I would I would give I would give teams
Speaker 1: more time off on the front end. You need to
Speaker 1: be the commission. That's the no. No, he needs to
Speaker 1: be on the nfl PA when they come up with
Speaker 1: these CBA job. Well, how about this though, And Mickey
Speaker 1: and you guys remember this. I mean, Mickey and I
Speaker 1: are much older than you guys, but we remember when
Speaker 1: they had two a day practices. He covered one of
Speaker 1: the most brutal practices training camps I've ever witnessed myself.
Speaker 1: I was in an NFL Europe. He was in Austin
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one, ninety two, that area. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they were, and they were. They were every day, full
Speaker 1: padded practices. Heck, we were in we were in Wichita Falls,
Speaker 1: full pridded practices every day. And today the collective bargaining
Speaker 1: actually gives the players a break with the way practices are,
Speaker 1: but they don't give them enough time off. I mean this,
Speaker 1: this seventeen weeks is a grind for these players. It's
Speaker 1: it's hard on their bodies, and we don't what do
Speaker 1: we do. We give them a couple months off, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, players start filtering back in
Speaker 1: working out, and then we're like, okay, let's let's have
Speaker 1: pursuit drill. You know. Rod Marinelli blows a whistle and everybody,
Speaker 1: all eleven guys take off running to the corner of
Speaker 1: the end zone. Trying to chase the ball and you
Speaker 1: got full on sprint. If you're if you're the one
Speaker 1: guy lagging behind, well full of the whistle, everybody go back,
Speaker 1: do it again and now you're full on sprint again.
Speaker 1: And to me, you're like, and again I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about toughness factor at all, but you don't help the
Speaker 1: players at all with the period of time. I mean,
Speaker 1: they they were full on and like Rob says, June fourteenth,
Speaker 1: we're all like, okay, we'll see you next month. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see on the playing Knox Nord. And you're like,
Speaker 1: you lose every bit of conditioning that you have. And
Speaker 1: guess what the first thing you do after he had
Speaker 1: a month off the first day of training camp, what
Speaker 1: did they do? Conditioning test? Conditioning test? Seriously, well, let's
Speaker 1: go run seventeen one tenth? What it is? One? Go ahead?
Speaker 1: No Hamburgers. There you go. Yeah, he's up on that um.
Speaker 1: But that is one reason why Garrett, you know, it
Speaker 1: kind of eases and changed a couple of days. But
Speaker 1: to what Brian said, it is kind of a no
Speaker 1: in situation because the CBA they did cut back on
Speaker 1: the amount of work they're trying to protect the players.
Speaker 1: They're not. But but you hear coaches around the league
Speaker 1: have said I don't and there's more injuries and they talk,
Speaker 1: maybe our guys aren't really ready to play football because
Speaker 1: there's not enough time on the field. It is a
Speaker 1: physical game. You gotta adapt to your body to that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what you do. I'm with you, though,
Speaker 1: on pushing it back, because you lose five weeks of
Speaker 1: work and then and then you start have you sat there?
Speaker 1: We've all done this in Oxnard. Every time a players
Speaker 1: laying on the field, we all just look at each
Speaker 1: other like, oh no, oh no, yeah, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: as it should as your season, you know, and you're thinking,
Speaker 1: oh no, and in you're winnering, okay, then well he'll
Speaker 1: be out with a hamstring injury. And then like a
Speaker 1: guy again, like like Ryan Switzer. Ryan Switzer was very
Speaker 1: effective throughout OTAs and mini camps. Right he gets to
Speaker 1: training camp, he runs a route that somebody grabs the
Speaker 1: back of his jersey, just stop him in a T
Speaker 1: shirt and helmet drill and what happens he yanks is
Speaker 1: hamstring and you're like, and now he's out the whole
Speaker 1: training camp. Jordan Lewis. I mean, all these guys that
Speaker 1: you can get the practice, and we need to figure
Speaker 1: out something to give the players more time on the
Speaker 1: front end and make ots and mini camps closer to
Speaker 1: training camp, so you just transition from one end to
Speaker 1: the other. Yeah. Before we go to our next break,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit the phone lines again. We have Paul
Speaker 1: from New Jersey on the line. Paul, you're there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: good morning. Big question, his uh Rico gathers. Do you
Speaker 1: think he could develop into an end zone threat? Using
Speaker 1: his height? How are you I would like him to
Speaker 1: develop into a full tight end. Yeah, we saw that
Speaker 1: a little bit in preseason. The guy can go up
Speaker 1: and get the football. Yeah, he's a basketball player if
Speaker 1: it's a jump ball. I see where you're going with
Speaker 1: the call. But there's so much to playing this position.
Speaker 1: That's what Jason witness. I see what he was on
Speaker 1: a roll. If you remember the Arizona game, the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game, you mean you're thinking like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: this is this you know, there's some things getting it here,
Speaker 1: and then he took that wicked hit. I think Rob,
Speaker 1: you and I might have been doing training camp live
Speaker 1: or something at that point. In time when he got
Speaker 1: hit got hit, you know, they were he was diving
Speaker 1: for the ball and Frasier catches him in the chin
Speaker 1: and they and the shoulder area. It's a whiplash bat
Speaker 1: it's a concussion. It's it's a terrible situation. But he's
Speaker 1: out there working. I mean he I think you have
Speaker 1: to find out what you have with him. Either it's
Speaker 1: the old Fisher cut bay. You know, he's got to
Speaker 1: do more than Yeah, five plays a game. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna and like Taylor says, he's gonna have to become
Speaker 1: more of a complete guy. And and and we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gonna be difficult. You know. Well
Speaker 1: now that will this team for sure carry three quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's the thing about it. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you carry three quarterbacks, how many tight ends can you carry?
Speaker 1: How many running backs can you carry? How many wide Receieah,
Speaker 1: the numbers start to add up. So if you can't
Speaker 1: be Rico Gathers and be the fourth tight end, you
Speaker 1: can't be that guy. You've got to find a way
Speaker 1: to position yourself to where you're the second or third guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and and you know I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: gonna be the first guy, but he's got to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to be the second or third guy
Speaker 1: and be reliable in that way. Brian just gave you
Speaker 1: his vote for the poll he did or was that
Speaker 1: I got, I'm gonna get to We're gonna get to. Well,
Speaker 1: the hard part, the hard part is is the guy
Speaker 1: hadn't played football for whatever eight years, right since junior high,
Speaker 1: and then he comes here and now he hadn't played
Speaker 1: the last two years. Yeah, and then you didn't have
Speaker 1: any practice time last right, so where everybody thinks he's
Speaker 1: just gonna walk out there and you know, he's we'll see,
Speaker 1: and we'll see, we'll see. The OTA's always is one
Speaker 1: of those great it's like a mirage. Sometimes you're like
Speaker 1: the OTA guy. You're like, well, this guy's got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, carry on to the camp. And
Speaker 1: then you get out there in the Oxnard and we
Speaker 1: all look at each other, Guy, who the hell is that?
Speaker 1: I mean, what is he doing? You know kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, So let's hope that he can carry
Speaker 1: some things from Ota. We saw it a little bit
Speaker 1: with with Cheeto and some of the young guys. That
Speaker 1: did get to participate in the OTAs. They were able
Speaker 1: to carry some things into training camp and it actually
Speaker 1: helped him into the season. I'm just hopeful that they
Speaker 1: don't have that sophomore slump we saw anthy Brown. You know,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm diverting another direction. He's all over the place.
Speaker 1: But nanthy Brown was a guy that we thought the
Speaker 1: sophomore year was gonna be you know, Wow, He's gonna
Speaker 1: be great starter, you know, And now it's like he
Speaker 1: had that sophomore year. You just hope that doesn't happen
Speaker 1: with the Woozier and Lewis and those young guys Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods as well, certainly do Well, let's take our final
Speaker 1: break and when we come back, Yes, we will have
Speaker 1: Rob swrpull. So go vote now, Rob, everyone's voted, or Mackey,
Speaker 1: did you find it before we go? I forgot it
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Speaker 1: an uncle, right their uncle's voted in your Twitter poll today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mickey didn't Yeah about that. Yeah, well you're running out
Speaker 1: of time. Why's that? Because I'm doing it right now,
Speaker 1: right now. Cowboys starting tied in in twenty eighteen. Should
Speaker 1: be not who will be? Who do you think should
Speaker 1: replace Jason Witten, Jarwin Gathers, Dalton Schultz or Jeff Swain
Speaker 1: go should be? Not? Who be? Hunt? When they When
Speaker 1: was the last time they drafted a tight end within
Speaker 1: the first four rounds? It's been a moment like three
Speaker 1: times in the second round. Yeah, you guys want another question, Guys,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I don't know. I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see how this Dalton Schultz guy comes in and
Speaker 1: what it shows. I have a feeling that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Dalton Schultz. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: because it just seems like the way they targeted him,
Speaker 1: the way that people talk about him, he seems like
Speaker 1: a natural fit. Of course, easier said than done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if you played at Stanford, it's like you're ready
Speaker 1: made to at least come in and contribute. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can, you know, play Paine percent stabs,
Speaker 1: but he's got a chance to step in and play.
Speaker 1: The feeling he's going to look good in the one
Speaker 1: on one stuff. You know, they when they when they
Speaker 1: do some when they do some drills at Oxnard where
Speaker 1: it's one on one with pads, and then he's going
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, he's gonna probably work against,
Speaker 1: you know, some of these young safeties and give them
Speaker 1: an opportunity. He's got some craftiness to his game. So
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I would not put it past Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 1: I don't think the game's too big for him. I
Speaker 1: think he's been in some big time. He could play
Speaker 1: that I could say, could play in line, he could
Speaker 1: play detached. He can help you as a pass blocker
Speaker 1: two when you keep him in. So I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna fill a lot of different roles. And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they did open
Speaker 1: and twelve percent. But they put him in line and
Speaker 1: move Jeff Swain around, you know, That's what I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like they would do. So my vote create
Speaker 1: a huge difference in the percentages there. What's your vote,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz? Yeah, yeah, only eighteen percent. However, they want
Speaker 1: Rico okay, they want him thirty six percent, followed by
Speaker 1: Jeff Swaym at thirty two. So there the bigger question.
Speaker 1: Here's the bigger question, who are your top two tight ends?
Speaker 1: Because if they plan on using that some Solt personnel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing that's Swam and Schultz. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: was thinking. Rico is going to have to beat out Jarwin.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if they can carry four
Speaker 1: tight ends. I really don't how mad is Jarwin at
Speaker 1: the steam right now? They hold him back, They keep
Speaker 1: take him, put him on the roster so he can't
Speaker 1: go to them. But I'll guarantee you Philly drafts a
Speaker 1: tight end, right Yeah? Does he have an NFL catch?
Speaker 1: Swam the only guy who has a catch that's left
Speaker 1: on this right. That's amazing. Jarwin will be out here
Speaker 1: at the Rooky Minicamp this week like nine proved any
Speaker 1: games that'd be big. Um, It's it's amazing now the
Speaker 1: experienced level at this position, I mean you just it's
Speaker 1: not that you take Jason Witten for granted, but you
Speaker 1: take him away from this depth chart and Hannah retires
Speaker 1: and it's like whoa, it's like nine catches, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: nine catches total? Yeah, was James Hannah Maddi didn't the
Speaker 1: retirement press coom runs, just like he didn't get one diddy.
Speaker 1: You know, James Hannah wasn't a bad player for these No,
Speaker 1: he was a quietly go a bunch of business. Phil
Speaker 1: hurt a lot, yes, played hurt and injuries robbed him.
Speaker 1: He came in here's a guy that you're like thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: he's not a very good blocker, and he became. He
Speaker 1: developed as a blocker, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he started Last year was one of his better years.
Speaker 1: Catching the football again watching the Oakland game, he has
Speaker 1: a nice play on a Dak hits him on a
Speaker 1: route near the sidelines, and he had a couple of
Speaker 1: games where he had you know, two or three catches.
Speaker 1: So good for him, but it was a shame because
Speaker 1: he injuries. Yeah, he paid his dues and it looked
Speaker 1: like it was ready to take the next step and flourish.
Speaker 1: And then the knee came out just too They couldn't
Speaker 1: fix it, couldn't get it, couldn't get right in too bad.
Speaker 1: They tried, they really did. Next Twitter pall I had
Speaker 1: one more to a real quick best Jason Witton moment.
Speaker 1: Right End's welcome because he only got four options, the
Speaker 1: jaw injury only missed one game, you know three it's
Speaker 1: the only game he ever missed. The famous helmetlet less catch, obviously, right,
Speaker 1: obviously there's a tribute to that here at the start
Speaker 1: the three yards yeah against Philly Spleen game. We're probably
Speaker 1: had no business playing in that football game. And the
Speaker 1: why option play versus Detroit that Jason Garrett reference and
Speaker 1: Romo referenced in his letter last night, simply cannot agree
Speaker 1: with that, only because Dave Hellman takes credit for bringing
Speaker 1: that up and it was not him. You know, I
Speaker 1: know he mentioned that to you as well. But I
Speaker 1: have to go with the helmet list catch. That's the
Speaker 1: one I voted for. And I only say that as
Speaker 1: somebody who talks about iconic players in this league. There
Speaker 1: are certain players where if you bring up their name,
Speaker 1: you're going to remember a moment and you're gonna remember
Speaker 1: an image. I think for a lot of Cowboys fans,
Speaker 1: it is the helmet list catch. And you know, Brian
Speaker 1: Jokes is one of his sayings is I played a
Speaker 1: lot of games without a football helmet, Yet Jason Witten
Speaker 1: could say that really literally did? Right? Fans agree sixty vote.
Speaker 1: Mick helmet helmet was played? He play? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: today's right. You think of one moment. I think you
Speaker 1: think of that one. Look, I mean, look at the
Speaker 1: giant twenty foot mural we got down the highway. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. It's not maybe a moment that people
Speaker 1: know about. But I remember him coming on the field
Speaker 1: opening day in the Giants game. Or I didn't think
Speaker 1: he was playing, got a doctor to say that, oh no,
Speaker 1: he could play. The lacerated kidney and all that. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: there's no way he's playing this game. There is no
Speaker 1: And he runs out there on the field. I'm going, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, And you know, I mean it wasn't a
Speaker 1: large numbers game. Another game against the Giants was won
Speaker 1: the Romo Drive where they won the game and the
Speaker 1: when the last the touchdown pass to Witton right there
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field where he pops into
Speaker 1: the you know, pops right in there. He He's had
Speaker 1: so many big, big catches. I think that's where you're
Speaker 1: gonna miss him in those those big catch games. The
Speaker 1: red zone, him and him and him and both him
Speaker 1: and does not being in the red zone. They better
Speaker 1: figure something out how to kind of get that squared up.
Speaker 1: Will take care of that. Going to our fan vote.
Speaker 1: They would love to see it, you know. He had
Speaker 1: He had also a bunch of game winning catches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just a play winning catches? Was it? Washington? I
Speaker 1: can't remember recently. A couple of years ago. It was
Speaker 1: several catch game. Yeah, yeah, over time with Dak, over
Speaker 1: time with Dad. Yeah, against Philly, right, but the Giant
Speaker 1: the Romo drive because they just kept feeding the ball,
Speaker 1: feeding in the ball fee and then finally Romo just
Speaker 1: and I'm not mistaken, didn't Romo drop the snap? He's
Speaker 1: kind of he's kicking it around and he kind of
Speaker 1: gathers himself and there's witting in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: He just what about that one handed catch he basically
Speaker 1: had last year against San Francisco. Yes, there was a bunch,
Speaker 1: but the helmetless thing, and I remembered it, but as
Speaker 1: I said, I better remind myself exactly what happened. So
Speaker 1: it ended up being a fifty three yard play inside
Speaker 1: the ten yard line, but it was twenty three yard
Speaker 1: catch and then a thirty yard run and my recollection
Speaker 1: was okay, and he got down by the ten and
Speaker 1: he just kind of ran out of bounds. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he didn't run out of bounces. He got tackled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't go down and sell. Somebody tackled him without
Speaker 1: a helmet on. Nice guys, Nice guys there in Philly,
Speaker 1: brother going to let him scored. I mean they actually
Speaker 1: they're showing it right now if you watch it with
Speaker 1: Mickey's talking about getting taken down. But you know, and
Speaker 1: you're looking at Colombo there yesterday, I just passed him
Speaker 1: around the Star and we were talking about it, and
Speaker 1: you know, because we were saying, you know, we had
Speaker 1: to thank so many different people in his speech Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: did you know? And he made sure to mention a
Speaker 1: few names and to get into certain players would have
Speaker 1: taken probably a lot longer than most people wanted because
Speaker 1: you look at some of the guys that he really
Speaker 1: had good relationships with, some of the most random players
Speaker 1: that were on this team. So you know, my question
Speaker 1: on that play was, though, and they cut it off
Speaker 1: helmet the helmet, No, who Wit and got his helmet
Speaker 1: for him? Did Romo pick it up and go okay,
Speaker 1: here thanks, Mike ran out there and got it. He
Speaker 1: didn't have the ten year old kid that goes and
Speaker 1: gets the team to go out and get off. But
Speaker 1: you make a point. I think it's a good one
Speaker 1: about that he in fifteen years, you can affect a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the way. You know. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that Jason Witten probably went was friends with everybody
Speaker 1: on the team, but I think everybody really respected him,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's like there's teammates you don't
Speaker 1: go out to dinner with or hang out with and
Speaker 1: all that, but I think you had to respect the man.
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that you know when you
Speaker 1: when he walks away, or when as he walked away,
Speaker 1: he felt like, you know, I wouldn't really close to
Speaker 1: that guy, but you know what, I enjoyed having him
Speaker 1: as a teammate. And he'll be able to talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit on this Monday night broadcast. You know,
Speaker 1: the sign of his respect. I thought Rob probably saw
Speaker 1: it when we were sitting there and he was given
Speaker 1: his fourteen fifteen minute speech whatever it ended up being.
Speaker 1: The young guys on the team were sitting on like
Speaker 1: the edge of their seat, leaning forward, and they were
Speaker 1: listening to every word he said, especially dak Um. I
Speaker 1: saw jar one young guys. I didn't know where Zeke
Speaker 1: was sitting. You miss his hair trying til my story
Speaker 1: the grenade comes in. Tell me had just lobbed it
Speaker 1: right in? I know some guys on talk radio that
Speaker 1: do that all the time. Tylor was good at it. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they were listening, and so that showed me that they
Speaker 1: had a lot of respect for what he's done because
Speaker 1: they were they were just attentive to what he was
Speaker 1: having to say. Absolutely well, we have time for one
Speaker 1: more caller. We have Nebbie from Maryland on the line. Nebbie,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Um, I'm doing well. Thanks for
Speaker 1: asking first all, before I get to my question. Happy
Speaker 1: thirty five a wedding anniversary. Mom and Dad, I love you,
Speaker 1: And my question is am I crazy for believing that
Speaker 1: Xavier Wood is going to win? Uh? Uh? Our starting
Speaker 1: a job at Free Safety and and play wealth for us.
Speaker 1: Uh take care. Thanks for being patient with me and
Speaker 1: have a great week. Bye. Great questions. We've had issues
Speaker 1: with our phone line, so he's up stayed true listening. Oh,
Speaker 1: we do appreciate where we are getting phone calls for Yeah, change,
Speaker 1: big change. Yeah, absolutely way to go Ken. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that Cam. I think that when we get to
Speaker 1: the OTA practices and stuff like that, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna see Xavier Woods get the first shot at this thing,
Speaker 1: and and it's gonna be him and Jeff Heath and
Speaker 1: they have to figure out what they're gonna do with
Speaker 1: Byron joneses Byron Jones play at right cornerback? Is that
Speaker 1: you know? Is he gonna be the starter over there?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's something that we have to
Speaker 1: think about because a Woozier is going to be the
Speaker 1: left corner and you know, well Will Lewis b the
Speaker 1: nickel now that uh you know, but Xavier Woods was
Speaker 1: the nickel the last uh yeah, you know, last several
Speaker 1: games since the Charger game. But to Nebbie's point, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they're gonna go with Woods to to
Speaker 1: start out, and if it works out, he's your guy.
Speaker 1: If not, then they'll have to figure out something else
Speaker 1: and figure out something quickly and don't eliminate Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: Yeah from the equation. Yeah, to move back there and
Speaker 1: play for well, I just somewhere I thought they got
Speaker 1: the season went along, Yeah, he got better towards the end,
Speaker 1: he struggled early, and I think they always worried about
Speaker 1: his flat out ketchup speed. Yeah, like he can't get
Speaker 1: beat off the line of scrimmage. Just the penalties that
Speaker 1: got him. I think he led the league or was
Speaker 1: right up there before he got benched. They got a
Speaker 1: couple of kids that they signed as unrestricted, got an
Speaker 1: unrestricted but free drafted. Yeah, cam Kelly, go back and
Speaker 1: read his report from San Diego State, and then also
Speaker 1: to this Tyree Robinson from Oregon. Maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that could be candidates for safeties. Kyle Quero who
Speaker 1: they signed from Northwestern is a big safety. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna play him at linebacker. Just talking some people
Speaker 1: in the buildings. So but keep an eye on cam
Speaker 1: Kelly and then also then Tyree Robinson, maybe some guys
Speaker 1: that can maybe one of these young guys it's undrafted,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a feeling that Cam Kelly, I'll
Speaker 1: check this out. I have a feeling he was on
Speaker 1: the draft board. And they've probably got several guys that
Speaker 1: were on the draft board that they went after after
Speaker 1: the drafting ale to get that secured. So that's always
Speaker 1: great when you got guys on your draft board that
Speaker 1: you wanted to draft and then you have to get
Speaker 1: to sign him. Boy, that's a huge bonus. And they
Speaker 1: need some depth there. I mean they only have three
Speaker 1: guys on the roster now that played last year, right right,
Speaker 1: I mean Showers is there and yeah they're there, Showers.
Speaker 1: I mean that's something that there's three guys with NFL
Speaker 1: experience and that's it. And one of them, what Cavan Frasier,
Speaker 1: only played about twenty five thirty percent of the plays,
Speaker 1: so yeah, not a lot of experience back they're accounting
Speaker 1: on him. Comedy, Well, thank you guys so much for
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