1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: This he's Talking Cowboys screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: Ryan Brats, Rob Phillips and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody into 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage Studio. Yes, we have another edition of 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys for you guys today on Talking Tuesday. For 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: your clarification, Mick, and it's Talking Tuesday with a new show. 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Oh you know you know what it is, sassafrass. Yes, 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: you guys are matching over there. If you guys are well, 9 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: ryder cup the video streams. We have over here a 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: couple of plaid man, it's up a couple of team. 11 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: What country do you think we are today? Olympics. We're 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: in the Olympics. Scotland, Scotland. Yes, yeah, we got the 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: lion wimbledonen. Right, Micky, you look like you're about to 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: go play some golf. I wish I was. Yeah. Are 15 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: you any good at golf? No? Okay, I just want 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: to make sure the best thing I can do for 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: a team on one of those charity golf deal's put. No, 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: my handicap is as high as it can be, so 19 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: if they if they grade your score according to the handicap. 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: My team gets lots of points. Obviously you're not a golfer. 21 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: That's Right's right. He's a team player though. Yeah, that's 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: a great sign name. It's good for the team. Pictures 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: what he is, yes, yes, and a team player we 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: all know and love. Jason Witton officially retired after fifteen 25 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: seasons with the Dallas Cowboys. Of course, if you guys 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: have read Mickey's calm about his departure, I know there 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: was a lot of coverage over the weekend and it 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: was a very emotional sixteen minute speech he gave at 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: the press conference. Garrett emotional, Jerry Jones. It was as 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: a hard few days for Cowboys nation, I assume. But 31 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: he has gone now and we must move on, we 32 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: must say our goodbyes. Yeah. Tony Romo shared a very 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: special letter last night to the best player he's ever 34 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: played with. Yeah, I think that's fair. That's fair. Yeah, 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: for sure, that's fair. It's funny you go along and 36 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: he's it's with players and at one time, you know, 37 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: I had where in Romo and Witt and as all 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: guys kind of I still connected to just from a 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: draft perspective, you know, two thousand and three and two 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: thousand and five, and then it goes from three to 41 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: two to one to none, and it just shows you 42 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: how his careers, you know, I mean fifteen years a 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: long time. I mean we drafted Jason Witten. I mean 44 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: he was a young guy, went twenty twenty one years old, 45 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: and now you see him, he's now, you know, I'm 46 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: going to retire and go on to Money Night Football. 47 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: But good for him. I think he made the right choice. 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: I really do. I said this the other day. I 49 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: felt like that that the the decision he had to 50 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: make that Monday night Football is an iconic brand, and 51 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,559 Speaker 1: I think the fact that he was as the opportunity 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: to go and be a part of that, I think 53 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: is fabulous that he can do that. And so you know, hey, 54 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, I believe he asked Bill Parcels. Parcells told 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: him the same thing, Hey, you gotta go on, you 56 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: got to go do this. So good for him. It's 57 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: gonna be a great opportunity for him. And and I'm 58 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: sure that that he will enlighten football fans much like 59 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: he's enlightened us over the years. When we get a 60 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: chance to visit with him. Yeah, maybe you called it 61 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: the offer he could not refuse, shouldn't refuse, and he 62 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't refuse it because as Brian just said, you know 63 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: that comes out around once every yeah, you know, seems 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: like decade. And so if you want to do it 65 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: and you've put in fifteen years, uh, and you know, 66 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure what the Cowboys had planned this 67 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: year year at tight end, but you know, when you're 68 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: hitting thirty six and fifteen years in, you're going on 69 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: your sixteenth, you know, chances are I mean, you're not 70 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: gonna play ninety percent of the plays. You may not 71 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: play eighty percent of the play. So I think it 72 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: was time and I think he he sort of knew it. 73 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: But it's hard to say. And as I put it 74 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: out in my column, he's never quit, right, yeah, And 75 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he quit, but he moved on, moved on. Uh. 76 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: He didn't quit with a buck broken jaw, he didn't 77 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: quit with a lacerated spleen. He didn't quit without a helmet. 78 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: And for him to say, Okay, I'm I'm leaving it 79 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: was a very tough thing. And you know, I've had 80 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: three or four people tell me how he kind of 81 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: went back and forth on this whole thing to the 82 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: point of tears that he couldn't decide. So yeah, I 83 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: thought I thought though that he came to the right conclusion. 84 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: I think he'll be awfully good. How he can exp 85 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: lane things. I think if anybody needed an example, how 86 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: Jason explained how Witton gave the presentation on his why 87 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: option route, which is a very seemingly simple route, but 88 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: he goes into the detail he did and knew what 89 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: everybody else was doing on the play. Sure, it's it's 90 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: rather amazing, and I think he will bring that to 91 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: the broadcast and hopefully he brings Jason Witten to it. 92 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: Not try to be something he's not, just the way 93 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Tony Romo gave him the example. Don't think this is 94 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: the cookie counter way you're supposed to be an analyst. 95 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: Just go on there and be yourself. Be yourself. If 96 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: he's himself, people are gonna love him because I think 97 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people got a glimpse into maybe a 98 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: different side of him during that forty five minute press conference. 99 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: Just how genuine and what an earnest guy he is. 100 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: He's so likable, and I think that's going to translate well. 101 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: On TV. We were ketting, I were down in Palm 102 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: Beach interviewed coach Parcels a few weeks ago and we 103 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: mentioned him, hey, you know, maybe Witten down the road 104 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: might get into coaching, and he laughed and said that, 105 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's two sides to that pancake. That 106 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: was one of his famous cliches. Maybe one day Whitten 107 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: will be a coach. I don't know. He's only thirty 108 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: six years old. He's got a lot of life in 109 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: front of him. Um. But you know, Romo found his 110 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: voice doing TV last year, and I think Romo's on 111 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: his way to be in the next Madden and Witten 112 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: might very well do that as well. I think he's 113 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: going to be great at it. Go be John Wayne, 114 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: Go be John Wayne. Yeah, you don't have to worry 115 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: about that. Hey, two thousand and three draft, you're forgetting 116 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: about somebody who's buckled up for another season. Terence Newman 117 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: about that he's ready for it. Yeah, he was too 118 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: old when we drafted him the first time, when he 119 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: was twenty five. Yeah. Yeah, we took a lot degree 120 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: for that one, just because But now he's two thousand 121 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: and three three. Yeah, he's found a coach that really 122 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: respects his game and understands his game and takes care 123 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: of him in that regard, in Mike Zimmer, you know, yeah, 124 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: no more. Yeah, everywhere Mike's been, Mike has brought him along, 125 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: and Terrence is always come in shape and ready to go. 126 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's yeah, you're running out of guys 127 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: and that that whole uh, that whole draft. But it 128 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: was incredible. I mean, Witton was I've told the story before. 129 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: He was, you know, on our board as a first 130 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: round grade and here you are, you getting the third round. 131 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: And it was a really unusual draft because of all 132 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: the tight ends that were available and people were just 133 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: picking them off one after another. And Witten. If you 134 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: look at the combined career of most of those guys, 135 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: Dallas Clark was a really good player for you know, 136 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: for the Colts. But man, I mean his his numbers 137 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: was compared to all those guys that were selected ahead 138 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: of him, you couldn't add him up and have a 139 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: better guy than what you had with Jason Witten. So 140 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: we got very fortunate draft. Guard gods were smiling on 141 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: us that day that he happened to be there when 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: it was our turn to pick. Do you remember the 143 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: guy from UCLA that year, Mike Seidman, Okay, yeah, yeah, 144 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: Parcelsa that was there was a discussion with Witton or 145 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: him in the third round. Yeah remember that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. 146 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: Well the discussion really, and I've said the story before 147 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: is that Jerry looked up at the board and looked 148 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: at Bill and says, we gotta take him, don't we. 149 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: I mean his tags there And this was really when 150 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: we first started uh doing things with you know, with 151 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: the way setting the board in a way to where 152 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: it was done by position, by round. And you know 153 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: Bill's line was always it looks like a you know, 154 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: a two day old Thanksgiving turkey. You know when the 155 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: board it gets picked off, everything gets picked off, and 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, the board kind of tells you where you 157 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: need to go. And you know Jason went and there 158 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: was that was that tag and you're going, why yeah, 159 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: let's go this that's our guy. And he he was 160 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: He was everything and more. You've heard me say that 161 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: he Bill had the vision, but he was everything and 162 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: more as far you know as we we didn't have 163 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: we we knew he was competitive, but we didn't know 164 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: he was this competitive, you know, we didn't know that 165 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: the passion and the you know, you saw it at Tennessee. 166 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean he was a defensive lineman at Tennessee. They 167 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: made a tight end out of and so, I mean 168 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: he's got that defensive mentality and we didn't evaluate that 169 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: correctly because he played with a lot of toughness for 170 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: fifteen years. So I wonder why he lasted that low. 171 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: It was it was, yeah, yeah, he did. He did. 172 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: And you can go back, Yeah, if you go back 173 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: and read Rick Goslin's uh, you know, from the former 174 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: Dallas Morning News and now this Hall of Fame radio. 175 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: Rick put out a thing. I tweeted this, if you 176 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: want to go back and read it. It talks about 177 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: what people said about him during that draft. And there 178 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: were position coaches that, hey, I don't see this up 179 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: the field, guy, I don't see this block, or I 180 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: don't see this time. There were a lot of comments 181 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: that were made about Witton that weren't very flattering. There 182 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: were a lot of people that questioned his ability, they 183 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: questioned his his presence on the field and all and 184 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I mean we had the grade we 185 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: did on him but if you read the comments from 186 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: a lot of those guys, a lot of those position coaches, 187 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: a lot of those head coaches, a lot of those scouts, 188 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't the most flattering. People liked L. J. Smith, 189 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: who the Eagles took, Mike Seidman at Carolina, you know, 190 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Dallas Clark was a I mean there were there were 191 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: there were four or five different tight Ends that people 192 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: liked better than Witten, And again, a lot of the 193 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: evaluation about him was very, very poor, and that drove 194 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: people probably to go away from that way. I think 195 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: one of the most special things that I witnessed after 196 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: Witten's retirement was a lot of the outpour of support. 197 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: Of course, you know, I mentioned you guys wrote very 198 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: flattering columns and articles and shared a lot of your 199 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: personal stories with them. But a lot of players are 200 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: not only on the team or that I've played with him, 201 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: but around the league. You know, it was interesting to 202 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: see Greg Olson shared that he was the first guy 203 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: that recruited him out of high school, right, you know, 204 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: and you don't realize that. Yeah, of course Greg ended 205 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: up going over to Miami, but it was neat to 206 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: see there's a relationship with tight ends that you see 207 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: across the NFL. They always respect one another. Zachert's you know, 208 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,599 Speaker 1: sent out a message. I believe Kyle Rudolf from the 209 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: Vikings a number of guys who just are honored to 210 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: even be in the same conversation of him. He's one 211 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: of the true tight ends when they talk about the position. 212 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: He is a true tight end in a day and 213 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,479 Speaker 1: age now where we really don't play with tight ends 214 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: that are in line or next to the tackle. I mean, 215 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: we played with a lot of guys that are upfield players, 216 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: flex players, detached players. Witton was a through throughout his career, 217 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: was a guy that could play in line, he could 218 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: play on the move, he could play flexed. You know, 219 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: he was making plays down the field when when people 220 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: were were you know, they were they were stealing. To say, 221 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: he's a throwbacks tight end in the way that they 222 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: traditionally played. I think that's where the guys like the 223 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: Greg Olsen's and the various tight ends around the league, 224 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: the Tyler Eiferts, guys like that respect him because he 225 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: did it that way. You know, those guys are like, Heck, 226 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could get in there and 227 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: Russell with a defensive end. Heck, I was watching today 228 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Jihad Ward, you know, and watching witten block in the 229 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: in the Oakland game, you know, and he's blocking on 230 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: Jihad Ward and he's he's taking care of him, and 231 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, how many tight ends want to block 232 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: a two hundred and ninety six pound defensive end. And 233 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: Jason Wittenwood, you know, that's the difference between him and 234 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: a lot of guys. And I've said this before. That's 235 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: the thing. Another thing I respect about him is he 236 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: adapted his game when they got to Marco Murray going 237 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: and when they brought Zeke in, he wasn't the ninety 238 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: six catch guy anymore. He settled into that. I mean, 239 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: he was still a focal point, especially in the red 240 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: zone and stuff, but you know, that complimentary blocking role. 241 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: And we're talking about a guy that's probably going to 242 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: be a first ballot Hall of Famer, see, and he 243 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: has Parcels to thank for that, because Parcels had the 244 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: picture of what he absolutely he saw Mark Bavarro, Howard 245 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Cross toward Cross those guys a guy that can block 246 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: but also catch the ball. And obviously, you know, in 247 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: this day and age, the tight ends all want to 248 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: catch the ball. And it was almost like the Dallas 249 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: Stars telling you know, madonno, hey, Hitch told him, I 250 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: want you to play defense too. I want you to 251 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: take on their best guy, and he molded him in 252 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: this vision that he had. And Bill did that with 253 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: Witten because you know, we remember that I told the 254 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: story a thousand times about him calling him a past 255 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: catching tight end his rookie year when they came out 256 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: for that mini camp, and he said it very sarcastically, 257 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: like you know, I'm going to teach you to block, 258 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: and he did and he can't. And you can't find 259 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: those guys. That's why it's hard. Everybody says, how are 260 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: you going to replace Jason Witten? Well, you're not, because 261 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: it's the colleges aren't producing those types of tight ends 262 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: at about and they come close. Sorry, they've maybe come 263 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: close with Schultz. I don't know if he can catch 264 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: the ball and run routes as well, but they liked 265 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: him because he can block, and maybe the other part 266 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: comes around with those guys just aren't can't go down 267 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: to Texico to get one. Bill. Yeah, there weren't enough 268 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: stars on the Captain patch for as long as Jason 269 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: Witten was a captain. Of course, they fill those stars 270 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: each year, but he had been a captain long over 271 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: those and to mention that, we're talking about how you 272 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: can replace him. Of course we'll get into Rob's Twitter 273 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: poll if you guys have gone at talking cowboys on 274 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: Twitter to vote in that. But how do you replace 275 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: that type of leadership and just the soul of the team. Really, 276 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, if you guys have seen all or nothing, 277 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: you see the speeches he has. You see how many 278 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: times he's references his tough grit that he inspires everyone 279 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: around him. How do you even match that? Well, I 280 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: think that there's guys in that locker room that are 281 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: capable of it. And I think this is now where 282 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott has to step up, even though he will 283 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: be a third year guy. It's really easy to sail. 284 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: The quarterback has to step up. But you know defense, 285 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: Sean Lee will step up and do what he has 286 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: to do. But I think on offense, though, it's going 287 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: to have to come from your quarterback. He's going to 288 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: have to be a different leader than what Tony Romo. 289 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: Tony Romo was a leader in a way of relying 290 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: on really on Jason Witten to be the leader. You know. 291 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: That's and now you know quarterbacks, he needs to come 292 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: in there and have the attitude of Okay, this is 293 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: my team. Well I've got to do this. I've got 294 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: to step up. I've got to make people accountable. I 295 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: think that's where Jason Witten being a leader is one thing. 296 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: But I think that you have to make players around 297 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: you accountable. And but you have to be accountable for yourself, 298 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's where Prescott is capable 299 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: of that. Offensively, he can't, you know, the offensive lineman 300 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: have always been You're not going to get you know, 301 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: Tyron Smith. Tyren Smith is a leader in his way, 302 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: in a quiet way, a leader by example. I think 303 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: Prescott is going to be the emotional leader, the verbal 304 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: leader at what the team needs. So they've got guys, 305 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, like I say, Travis Frederick can be a leader. 306 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: They've got Zack Martin that can be a leader. You know, 307 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: They've got guys that are capable of stepping up. But 308 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: they need that quarterback on the offense especially to step 309 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: up and be the leader. Yeah, Tyren Smith will speak 310 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: up when needed to. But I think you're right. I 311 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: think the linemen are more. They're just have so much 312 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: respect in the locker room for how they go about 313 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: their business. You know, Witton did that, and he also 314 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: we saw it, like you said, town all or nothing, 315 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: like in the middle of that awful three game losing streak, 316 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: it was him in the meeting room trying to get 317 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: guys don't give in, don't give in. I don't know 318 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: if they have a true vocal guy day in day 319 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: out right now, but yeah, I think Dak's the natural 320 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: fit because Dak can. We've seen it with Dak. He 321 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: can connect with anybody in that locker room and he's 322 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback, so he gets a natural place and you've 323 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: got to earn it though, and it just does somebody 324 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: don't just say, Okay, I'm the guy. I think Dak's 325 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: the most likely one. If you look at everybody that's 326 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: not an offensive lineman our land Buddy's left right, and 327 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: if you think about it, you know, Michael Irvin was 328 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: that guy for the Cowboys over all those years, and 329 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: he gets hurt and there was a gap from nineteen 330 00:16:54,680 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: ninety nine till Witten kind of took over, but he 331 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: didn't take over as a rookie. He didn't take over 332 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: his second year. Maybe it was his third year or 333 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: fourth year when he actually starts producing and people go, okay, 334 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: let's follow that guy. So it's not anybody's going to 335 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: raise their hand and go okay, I'm taken over for way. 336 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this out of the question, hell 337 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: take I'll take this one. Is that the question of 338 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 1: a guy like Cole Beasley as a leader is that 339 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: out of the question, And just as the way of 340 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 1: maybe maybe, and it's to a point of Rob's you know, 341 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: it's a point of a player that seems to get 342 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: along with everybody in the locker room. And he's also 343 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: been here a while. Yeah, he's been here, and maybe 344 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: maybe it's time where he and Dak. I don't think 345 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: I see. I see leadership with Elliott more through play, 346 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, physical play than I do being outspoken and 347 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: all that. But maybe Cole Beasley is a guy that 348 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: you'll see see starts stepping up a little more, making 349 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: more people accountable for what they're doing in the group. 350 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: Because he's a guy that I've kind of noticed if 351 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: you watch the the thing that it's not afraid to 352 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: say something. He's not afraid to say, hey, listen, this 353 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: needs to be done differently or something needs to be 354 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: and I thot Tyrone Crawford, I think that I'm just 355 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: like kind of thinking about offensively more right now because 356 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: I think Sean Lee will defense and Shaun Lee can't 357 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: be in both meeting rooms. So if you get Tyron 358 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: Crawford is a good I kind of always thought, uh, 359 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: you know that that he was a guy that people 360 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: respected in that room. He played through injury. You know, 361 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: he's kind of seen the highs the lows, uh you know, 362 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: but Sean Lee was always going to take care of 363 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: things on defensive. I think the leadership and the believe 364 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: it or not is going to come from this is 365 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: gonna sound funny because it's not a player. I think 366 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: that Chris Rashard is going to be a leader and 367 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: and hear me out on this. I think he's the 368 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: one just talking to John Snyder about the type of 369 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: personality in a room. I mean, he could go in 370 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: there and get those guys rallied up. John was like, man, 371 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna love this guy. The way he makes people accountable. 372 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: I think that's leader ship is make people accountable. And 373 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: maybe that's not always the player, but maybe a coach 374 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: steps in there and says, hey, listen, well, you guys, 375 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you how this needs to be done. 376 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: Christoph Shard's got skins on the wall too. I mean, 377 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: he coached and raised so many young guys back there. Yeah, 378 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean, but that legion of boom, that's one of 379 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: the best defensive secondaries we've seen in the last twenty years, right, 380 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: and he helped grow that thing. So I think, yeah, 381 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: that's natural respect there him coming in absolutely Well, let's 382 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: take our first break here. When we come back, we 383 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: will talk more Witten discussion with replacing him at tight end, 384 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: and rookie Minicamp is coming up, so we'll get some 385 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: new faces in the building very soon. Join us after 386 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: this break. 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Hustle huh, the hustle, the hustle, which these 440 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: rookies better apps work with us a little bit here, rider, 441 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: Hustle and bustle, all right, Nestle, I wish that one 442 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: wasn't mentioned. I know, all right. Well, the guys are 443 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: coming back into the building. Of course, Layton Vanderash Connor 444 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: Williams made their way over to the Star already, but 445 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: they will be officially welcomed to the Star as Dallas Cowboys, 446 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: arriving probably Thursday afternoon, nothing really, probably meeting around and 447 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: then Friday and Saturday having their rookie mini camp. But 448 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: it's basically now just a teaching session. It's kind of 449 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: similar down yeah, it used to be where we used 450 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: to beat the living daylight. They would we'd see how 451 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: many guys could get sick during a practice. That was 452 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: kind of a thing that we were doing there for. Yeah, 453 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: but and that was without an indoor facility as well, 454 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: so that was kind of one of those things. But yeah, 455 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: it's it's more now about kind of getting guys acclimated 456 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: to what's going on and what happens. Just my experience 457 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: of handling this, I'm really happy he went two weeks 458 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: after the draft. I think that's really the right way 459 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: to go. You bring these guys in the week after 460 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: they mean, they have not been working out at all. 461 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: Guys have done there that then their pro days, they've 462 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: worked out for teams. You know, now they're getting refer 463 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: a draft to get drafted, So no sense of bringing 464 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: somebody in here. We saw what you know, could happen 465 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: with all the hamstrings that happened last year, and it 466 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: robs some of those kids opportunities to play and to 467 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: get ready for training camp, and so it hurt. So 468 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: the smart thing is to kind of get them in, 469 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: get them acclimated, let them lift, let them get back 470 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: into some shape, and then kind of figure things out, 471 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: work with them mentally. Their heads are going to be 472 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: spinning as is. It's a pretty fast paced thing as 473 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: we all know. So I like the way it's the 474 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: teaching aspect of it. When you have the big mini 475 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: camps and stuff with all the veterans, I think that's 476 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: a good opportunity to let these guys go and get 477 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: some work. And they give teams the option. I mean, 478 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: they could have had the mini camp last week, right, 479 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: but you know it's it's smart. Let them get their 480 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: feet underneath them and look like, getch their breath. Yeah, 481 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: they've been on a job interview for the last four 482 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: months exactly, so you know, an OTA start up in 483 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks anyway, that's when it's really gonna 484 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: get going. They're gonna be in there with the vets, 485 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: so let them, let them acclimate. And there's another part 486 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: to that too. There's no sense bringing them in for 487 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: a weekend and then sending them home and then the 488 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: next week you got to bring them back yea or 489 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: two weeks later for the start of OTAs. So now 490 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: they can stay what May sixteenth, whatever the date is, 491 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: that Monday, and they don't have to go back unless 492 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: they're on quarter systems in college. So you actually save 493 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: some money too. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, to give to Taylor 494 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: to give. That's usually where it goes right right. Yeah, 495 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: it's it's so kind of them to do that. But yes, 496 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: they get to come in here. I think some of them. 497 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of funny, you know, Um, they do get 498 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: to meet some of the players that might just be 499 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: around in the building. Because I remember last year and 500 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer got here, the first guy you met was 501 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: Colt Easily. Now, the funny thing is is when they 502 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: go out and have that rookie minicamp, all of a sudden, 503 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: the watching like, okay, let me see what I'm up against, right, 504 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: And it's been that's been going on for years, you know, 505 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: speaking of that again, this might be change a little. 506 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: I'll try and make it quick about these veteran quarterbacks 507 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: around the league. You know, there's some guys that have 508 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: been drafted, have been Roethlisberger. What was going on with 509 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: that pick? Yeah, Ben Roethlisberger not too happy with you know, 510 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: with Mason Rudolph and drafted. He's basically saying, ah, you know, 511 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: if if he asked me a question, I'll point to 512 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: the playbook where when Ben Roethlisberger came in, Tommy Maddox 513 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: helped him every single day that he was a rookie, 514 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, and he said, hey, I wouldn't be here 515 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: today without Just find it funny the veteran quarterbacks that 516 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: are kind of guy in Baltimore is the same way 517 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: it's been. Hadn't been like that forever Montana and young 518 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: didn't like you know, this isn't mean, this isn't this 519 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: isn't that movie with al Paccino. What's it any given Sunday? 520 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: You know, with a veteran quarterback, you know, Cap doesn't 521 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: want to help anybody whatever. You know. I think that's 522 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: in more positions than just quarterback. I know that. Yeah, 523 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: but it's the one that people talk about. And you know, 524 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: and again a guy's trying to take your job. You 525 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: know what. Listen here, Roethlisberger, you had a hell of 526 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: a run. Joe Flacker, you've had a hell of a run. 527 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: You know, try trying, yeah, try and have a little 528 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: you know. And here yeah, you know, and I get 529 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: what you're saying because he's a Steeler for life, right 530 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: and they've stood behind him through stuff. So sure this help, 531 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: This helps the organization going forward. If you have this 532 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: young guy, don't question. Oh I wonder a third round 533 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: you could have picked a player that could have could 534 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: have helped the team win. Now you know what, shut up? Yeah. 535 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: I was always actually I was always surprised about the 536 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: guys that picked the quarterbacks can replace you get ready, 537 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: the guys that went the other way and actually helped 538 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: the newcomers out. And it's like, why are you doing that? 539 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: Guys coming here to take your job, and it's like, well, 540 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: it's going to make the team better. Yeah, And that 541 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: was their thought process going through that. And it happens 542 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: every year, and I think it goes both ways, but 543 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: this is the first time I've seen it so outspoken. 544 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: Oh no, well, Ben Roethlisberg, I'm serious. Ben Roethlisberger was 545 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: helped by Tommy Maddox. Tommy Maddox was not. I mean 546 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: Tommy Max was a Blacksmith quarterback. He wasn't. There was 547 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: anything great about Tommy Man. But what Tommy Maddox Mark 548 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: Sanchez trying to help Dak you know, I mean, if 549 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: you're a starting quarterback, there's no there's no Brett Farve 550 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: didn't help Aaron Rodgers at all, you know, and so 551 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: why competition? I don't care. All right, Well, we're going 552 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: to the phone lines of course, you guys can always 553 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: call us the numbers eight eight eight eight five five 554 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: two two ninety seven also on the screen over there, 555 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: but we have Jack from California on the line. What's 556 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: up Jack? Hey, Hey, guys doing it's from Arizona. Actually sorry, 557 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: we have a battle between California. We're the better of 558 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: the two states. But anyway, I didn't know that battle. 559 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: It's a big one. You get all their southern California 560 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: people come over to Arizona. But my question is for 561 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: um um any of us. Brian, Yeah, well exactly, Brian 562 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: and Mickey especially. This was something that you guys just 563 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: recently brought up, and I was just curious. You talked 564 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: about the mini camps and the OTAs and things like that, 565 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: and this is something that I've been noticing over the 566 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: last couple of years. And my question is, with the 567 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: soft tissue problems that our players are having, is this 568 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: a lack of conditioning on their part or is this 569 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: an over working on our coaches and strengthening, because I've 570 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: heard a lot about how we make our guys run 571 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: a ton and they're always pulling up on their hammies, 572 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: and we've got guys like Cheeto and Jordan Lewis and 573 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: even Cold Easley last year was even hurt. And I 574 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: think Ryan Switz was even hurt. And it seems to 575 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: be a very common thing, is that all these guys 576 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: are coming in unconditioned or is it we're just over 577 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: exerting them too much and trying to trying to bring 578 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: them up too fast. I'll hang up and listen. Thank you, guys, Hammies. 579 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: It had been both. Guy Brian just explained how these 580 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: guys for since January February, they're they're training for the combine, 581 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: they're training for personal workouts, they're not training to play football. 582 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: And then they're taking trips, you know, chicken dinners, banquets, 583 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: name it so. And then you get him here and 584 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, oh, I gotta go play football, 585 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: and I gotta cut. I'm not running just a forty 586 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: yard dash and they're not ready for that. And then 587 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: you overwork them. Plus you send them out there, and 588 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: the trainers will tell you this to the end of 589 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: the earth. So I'm gonna send these guys out there 590 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: with a helmet, a jersey and shorts and let's go 591 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: play football. And we're gonna go up against each other 592 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna start diving for passes or I'm diving 593 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: to break one up. I don't have shoulder pads on sure, 594 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna hurt my shoulder. So the whole 595 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: concept of that rookie mini camp, you know, and you 596 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: know the media watching and think about Dez Bryant's first day. 597 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: He lost his breakfast or lunch or whatever. All of 598 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: a sudden it is, oh see does not in shape. 599 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: And it started right there the first day, the scrutiny, 600 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I just think this is the smartest 601 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: way to do it. Let these guys come in, have 602 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: it kind of more of a teaching session on the field, 603 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: and then before they start OTAs and start doing this, 604 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: they'll have two weeks. It's like that day before you 605 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: started high school. The freshman would come in and kind 606 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: of see where their classes war, see where the building orientation. 607 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: It's it's a little orientation for them to see, Okay, 608 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: if I'm going to the room, it's over here, and 609 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 1: get your helmet, ride and meet everybody. I don't think 610 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: players have enough time off myself. Oh they don't. I don't, 611 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: And this is what I would do. And if there 612 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: was some way to do this. There's all this work 613 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: that's put into these mini camps, OTAs and all that 614 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: getting to this point where the guys are in the 615 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: best shape of the of the summer. They're in the 616 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: best shape of the summer June fourteenth of June sixteenth, 617 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: and then they got a month off and then they 618 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: come back to camp. I totally agree with you. Yeah, 619 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: I would figure out a way to a backsh it 620 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: all back in. Have your mini camps two weeks before 621 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: training camp, so you kind of get an idea. Okay, 622 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: but you're giving your guys more time off, but you're 623 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: also going in from mini camp to say a week 624 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: off to let's go get on a plane and then 625 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: go to Oxnard. Yeah, if you don't want to, you're 626 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: not saying that all the work leading up to June 627 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: mid June is wasted. But you know, guys are off 628 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: at that point for an entire month, six weeks. Yeah, 629 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're working out on your own. 630 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: Maybe you're working out really but yeah, yeah, you know 631 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: you're trying. I'm trying. You're trying to get your last 632 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: breath before everything hits the fan. And the sin, the 633 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: sin of this whole thing is as well, this is 634 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: the way we always used to do it. Well, the 635 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: way you always used to do it wasn't really and 636 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: we can go back to I remember Patrick Creighton coming 637 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: in here as a rookie free agent, seventh round pick. 638 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: Seventh round. Yeah, okay, same thing, uh, and he's got 639 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: planner fasciitis, and he was not gonna take himself out. 640 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: This is Bill Parcels, and I gotta shoo Bill Parcels. 641 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm tough, right, And he for two days after he 642 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: did it. The first day he's pushing through it. He's limping, 643 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: and I remember asking him, I said, what are you doing? 644 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: You know? And he goes, well, I can't let Bill 645 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: think I'm soft. And it's like, well, okay, now you 646 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: got this foot until you go to training camp. Yeah 647 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: that's that's might have got him on the team. Well 648 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: maybe I know, but you know, well then we can 649 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: go last year. Yeah kind of impression those guys. I 650 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: would I would I would give I would give teams 651 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: more time off on the front end. You need to 652 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: be the commission. That's the no. No, he needs to 653 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: be on the nfl PA when they come up with 654 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: these CBA job. Well, how about this though, And Mickey 655 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: and you guys remember this. I mean, Mickey and I 656 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: are much older than you guys, but we remember when 657 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: they had two a day practices. He covered one of 658 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: the most brutal practices training camps I've ever witnessed myself. 659 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: I was in an NFL Europe. He was in Austin 660 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one, ninety two, that area. Yeah, and 661 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: they were, and they were. They were every day, full 662 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: padded practices. Heck, we were in we were in Wichita Falls, 663 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: full pridded practices every day. And today the collective bargaining 664 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: actually gives the players a break with the way practices are, 665 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: but they don't give them enough time off. I mean this, 666 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: this seventeen weeks is a grind for these players. It's 667 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: it's hard on their bodies, and we don't what do 668 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: we do. We give them a couple months off, and 669 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, players start filtering back in 670 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: working out, and then we're like, okay, let's let's have 671 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: pursuit drill. You know. Rod Marinelli blows a whistle and everybody, 672 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: all eleven guys take off running to the corner of 673 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: the end zone. Trying to chase the ball and you 674 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: got full on sprint. If you're if you're the one 675 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: guy lagging behind, well full of the whistle, everybody go back, 676 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: do it again and now you're full on sprint again. 677 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: And to me, you're like, and again I'm not talking 678 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: about toughness factor at all, but you don't help the 679 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: players at all with the period of time. I mean, 680 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: they they were full on and like Rob says, June fourteenth, 681 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: we're all like, okay, we'll see you next month. Yeah, 682 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: we'll see on the playing Knox Nord. And you're like, 683 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: you lose every bit of conditioning that you have. And 684 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: guess what the first thing you do after he had 685 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: a month off the first day of training camp, what 686 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: did they do? Conditioning test? Conditioning test? Seriously, well, let's 687 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: go run seventeen one tenth? What it is? One? Go ahead? 688 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: No Hamburgers. There you go. Yeah, he's up on that um. 689 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: But that is one reason why Garrett, you know, it 690 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: kind of eases and changed a couple of days. But 691 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: to what Brian said, it is kind of a no 692 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: in situation because the CBA they did cut back on 693 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: the amount of work they're trying to protect the players. 694 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: They're not. But but you hear coaches around the league 695 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: have said I don't and there's more injuries and they talk, 696 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: maybe our guys aren't really ready to play football because 697 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: there's not enough time on the field. It is a 698 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: physical game. You gotta adapt to your body to that. 699 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: So I don't know what you do. I'm with you, though, 700 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: on pushing it back, because you lose five weeks of 701 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: work and then and then you start have you sat there? 702 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: We've all done this in Oxnard. Every time a players 703 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: laying on the field, we all just look at each 704 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: other like, oh no, oh no, yeah, you know, I mean, 705 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: as it should as your season, you know, and you're thinking, 706 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: oh no, and in you're winnering, okay, then well he'll 707 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: be out with a hamstring injury. And then like a 708 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: guy again, like like Ryan Switzer. Ryan Switzer was very 709 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: effective throughout OTAs and mini camps. Right he gets to 710 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: training camp, he runs a route that somebody grabs the 711 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: back of his jersey, just stop him in a T 712 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: shirt and helmet drill and what happens he yanks is 713 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: hamstring and you're like, and now he's out the whole 714 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: training camp. Jordan Lewis. I mean, all these guys that 715 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: you can get the practice, and we need to figure 716 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: out something to give the players more time on the 717 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: front end and make ots and mini camps closer to 718 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: training camp, so you just transition from one end to 719 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,959 Speaker 1: the other. Yeah. Before we go to our next break, 720 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna hit the phone lines again. We have Paul 721 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: from New Jersey on the line. Paul, you're there, Yeah, 722 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: good morning. Big question, his uh Rico gathers. Do you 723 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: think he could develop into an end zone threat? Using 724 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: his height? How are you I would like him to 725 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: develop into a full tight end. Yeah, we saw that 726 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: a little bit in preseason. The guy can go up 727 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: and get the football. Yeah, he's a basketball player if 728 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: it's a jump ball. I see where you're going with 729 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: the call. But there's so much to playing this position. 730 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: That's what Jason witness. I see what he was on 731 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: a roll. If you remember the Arizona game, the Hall 732 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: of Fame game, you mean you're thinking like, all right, man, 733 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: this is this you know, there's some things getting it here, 734 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: and then he took that wicked hit. I think Rob, 735 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: you and I might have been doing training camp live 736 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: or something at that point. In time when he got 737 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,959 Speaker 1: hit got hit, you know, they were he was diving 738 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: for the ball and Frasier catches him in the chin 739 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: and they and the shoulder area. It's a whiplash bat 740 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: it's a concussion. It's it's a terrible situation. But he's 741 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: out there working. I mean he I think you have 742 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: to find out what you have with him. Either it's 743 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: the old Fisher cut bay. You know, he's got to 744 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: do more than Yeah, five plays a game. Yeah, he's 745 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna and like Taylor says, he's gonna have to become 746 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: more of a complete guy. And and and we'll see. 747 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gonna be difficult. You know. Well 748 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: now that will this team for sure carry three quarterbacks? 749 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's the thing about it. Okay, if 750 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: you carry three quarterbacks, how many tight ends can you carry? 751 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: How many running backs can you carry? How many wide Receieah, 752 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: the numbers start to add up. So if you can't 753 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: be Rico Gathers and be the fourth tight end, you 754 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: can't be that guy. You've got to find a way 755 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: to position yourself to where you're the second or third guy. Yeah, 756 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: you know, and and you know I'm not saying he's 757 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: gonna be the first guy, but he's got to figure 758 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: out a way to be the second or third guy 759 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: and be reliable in that way. Brian just gave you 760 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: his vote for the poll he did or was that 761 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: I got, I'm gonna get to We're gonna get to. Well, 762 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: the hard part, the hard part is is the guy 763 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: hadn't played football for whatever eight years, right since junior high, 764 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: and then he comes here and now he hadn't played 765 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: the last two years. Yeah, and then you didn't have 766 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: any practice time last right, so where everybody thinks he's 767 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: just gonna walk out there and you know, he's we'll see, 768 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: and we'll see, we'll see. The OTA's always is one 769 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: of those great it's like a mirage. Sometimes you're like 770 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: the OTA guy. You're like, well, this guy's got it. Yeah, 771 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, carry on to the camp. And 772 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: then you get out there in the Oxnard and we 773 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: all look at each other, Guy, who the hell is that? 774 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, what is he doing? You know kind of 775 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, So let's hope that he can carry 776 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: some things from Ota. We saw it a little bit 777 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: with with Cheeto and some of the young guys. That 778 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: did get to participate in the OTAs. They were able 779 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: to carry some things into training camp and it actually 780 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: helped him into the season. I'm just hopeful that they 781 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: don't have that sophomore slump we saw anthy Brown. You know, 782 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: I know, I'm diverting another direction. He's all over the place. 783 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: But nanthy Brown was a guy that we thought the 784 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 1: sophomore year was gonna be you know, Wow, He's gonna 785 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: be great starter, you know, And now it's like he 786 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: had that sophomore year. You just hope that doesn't happen 787 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,240 Speaker 1: with the Woozier and Lewis and those young guys Xavier 788 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: Woods as well, certainly do Well, let's take our final 789 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: break and when we come back, Yes, we will have 790 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: Rob swrpull. So go vote now, Rob, everyone's voted, or Mackey, 791 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: did you find it before we go? I forgot it 792 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: and cante it. I added a second one too, if 793 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 1: you guys want to vote U second. Yeah, your best 794 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: Jason Witten moment? You can go vote for ten. Yeah, 795 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: I like it? All right, We'll be right back. 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And so is 831 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: ATNT doing their part to keep you connected to America's 832 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: team all season. Law AT and T is a proud 833 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: member of Cowboys Nation. This is talking cowboy and if 834 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: we're talking Cowboys as usual, we're talking Papa John's pizza 835 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: because we know why it tastes so great. You know, 836 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: those ingredients like the veggies delivered freshnal, never ever frozen 837 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: in the pepperoni one hundred. Pretty soon it's going to 838 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: be one hundred and ten percent part in beef, custom 839 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,720 Speaker 1: made for USTA standards with no fillers, better ingredients, better pizza, 840 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: Papa John. What's ta Usta or USDA. I thought maybe 841 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: we're doing something like the United States Tennis Association. Oh, 842 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: by the way, we tell me a part of the 843 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: body that begins with the letter T. Yeah, drop seriously, 844 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,439 Speaker 1: like by we went to that Mets game the other day. Yeah, 845 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: Arthur ash Tennyson are on the right. Yeah that it 846 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: was great. Love to the US favorite. I've tried, and 847 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: I've failed twice because I didn't have tickets before I 848 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: got there and train rides easy to get there. Then 849 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: I got there and the guy was going to sell 850 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: me one for four hundred dollars, and I said, I 851 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: didn't like to go, but can't do it. Next time. 852 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: This is a great story. Yeah's it go. We'll debate that. No, 853 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: it is. Next time. I went and I'm looking for 854 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: like three tickets, and I watched this guy. He was 855 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: walking people in to the ticket taker and they gave 856 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: him the tickets and Then the guy came back and 857 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: he found them another seven people and walked him in 858 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: and I'm watching and I went and listened to what 859 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: he was telling them. So for twenty bucks, he had 860 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 1: these tickets and they were going to the ticket taker 861 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: who was his uncle. His uncle would take the ticket, 862 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: he would not rip them, he'd he'd under the sly 863 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: hand him back to him. He would take the tickets 864 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: back out. And he gets seven more people and walked 865 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: him in them. I'm watched this three times and I said, 866 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: if this works one more time, I'm doing it for 867 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: twenty bucks. Right, walked up started giving the tickets to 868 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: the uncle, and the uncle goes like this, and the 869 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: guy goes, oh, no, okay, And they got caught like 870 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: they didn't get caught, but he was. They were watching them, 871 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 1: and you were in that group. No, I didn't do it. 872 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: I said, they got to do it one more time 873 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: before I trusted. It didn't. It didn't work. A great story, 874 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,760 Speaker 1: New York. Everybody's got a scam, I swear to God, 875 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: New York. You scammers. And everybody's got a guy or 876 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: an uncle, right their uncle's voted in your Twitter poll today. Yeah, 877 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: Mickey didn't Yeah about that. Yeah, well you're running out 878 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: of time. Why's that? Because I'm doing it right now, 879 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: right now. Cowboys starting tied in in twenty eighteen. Should 880 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: be not who will be? Who do you think should 881 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: replace Jason Witten, Jarwin Gathers, Dalton Schultz or Jeff Swain 882 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: go should be? Not? Who be? Hunt? When they When 883 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: was the last time they drafted a tight end within 884 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,919 Speaker 1: the first four rounds? It's been a moment like three 885 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:29,919 Speaker 1: times in the second round. Yeah, you guys want another question, Guys, 886 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I don't know. I'm curious 887 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: to see how this Dalton Schultz guy comes in and 888 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: what it shows. I have a feeling that it's gonna 889 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: be Dalton Schultz. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, 890 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: because it just seems like the way they targeted him, 891 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: the way that people talk about him, he seems like 892 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 1: a natural fit. Of course, easier said than done. Yeah, 893 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,879 Speaker 1: And if you played at Stanford, it's like you're ready 894 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: made to at least come in and contribute. I don't 895 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 1: know if you can, you know, play Paine percent stabs, 896 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: but he's got a chance to step in and play. 897 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,359 Speaker 1: The feeling he's going to look good in the one 898 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: on one stuff. You know, they when they when they 899 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: do some when they do some drills at Oxnard where 900 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: it's one on one with pads, and then he's going 901 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, he's gonna probably work against, 902 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, some of these young safeties and give them 903 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: an opportunity. He's got some craftiness to his game. So 904 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I would not put it past Dalton Schultz. 905 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't think the game's too big for him. I 906 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: think he's been in some big time. He could play 907 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: that I could say, could play in line, he could 908 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: play detached. He can help you as a pass blocker 909 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 1: two when you keep him in. So I think he's 910 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna fill a lot of different roles. And 911 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they did open 912 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 1: and twelve percent. But they put him in line and 913 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: move Jeff Swain around, you know, That's what I kind 914 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,479 Speaker 1: of feel like they would do. So my vote create 915 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,439 Speaker 1: a huge difference in the percentages there. What's your vote, 916 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz? Yeah, yeah, only eighteen percent. However, they want 917 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: Rico okay, they want him thirty six percent, followed by 918 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: Jeff Swaym at thirty two. So there the bigger question. 919 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: Here's the bigger question, who are your top two tight ends? 920 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: Because if they plan on using that some Solt personnel. Yeah, 921 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm seeing that's Swam and Schultz. Yeah, that's what I 922 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: was thinking. Rico is going to have to beat out Jarwin. 923 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: I think I don't know if they can carry four 924 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: tight ends. I really don't how mad is Jarwin at 925 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: the steam right now? They hold him back, They keep 926 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: take him, put him on the roster so he can't 927 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: go to them. But I'll guarantee you Philly drafts a 928 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: tight end, right Yeah? Does he have an NFL catch? 929 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: Swam the only guy who has a catch that's left 930 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: on this right. That's amazing. Jarwin will be out here 931 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:41,399 Speaker 1: at the Rooky Minicamp this week like nine proved any 932 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: games that'd be big. Um, It's it's amazing now the 933 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: experienced level at this position, I mean you just it's 934 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: not that you take Jason Witten for granted, but you 935 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: take him away from this depth chart and Hannah retires 936 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: and it's like whoa, it's like nine catches, right, yeah, 937 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: nine catches total? Yeah, was James Hannah Maddi didn't the 938 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,320 Speaker 1: retirement press coom runs, just like he didn't get one diddy. 939 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: You know, James Hannah wasn't a bad player for these No, 940 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: he was a quietly go a bunch of business. Phil 941 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: hurt a lot, yes, played hurt and injuries robbed him. 942 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: He came in here's a guy that you're like thinking, oh, 943 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: he's not a very good blocker, and he became. He 944 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: developed as a blocker, and then all of a sudden 945 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 1: he started Last year was one of his better years. 946 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: Catching the football again watching the Oakland game, he has 947 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: a nice play on a Dak hits him on a 948 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,320 Speaker 1: route near the sidelines, and he had a couple of 949 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: games where he had you know, two or three catches. 950 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: So good for him, but it was a shame because 951 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: he injuries. Yeah, he paid his dues and it looked 952 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,760 Speaker 1: like it was ready to take the next step and flourish. 953 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: And then the knee came out just too They couldn't 954 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: fix it, couldn't get it, couldn't get right in too bad. 955 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: They tried, they really did. Next Twitter pall I had 956 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: one more to a real quick best Jason Witton moment. 957 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: Right End's welcome because he only got four options, the 958 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: jaw injury only missed one game, you know three it's 959 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: the only game he ever missed. The famous helmetlet less catch, obviously, right, 960 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: obviously there's a tribute to that here at the start 961 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,760 Speaker 1: the three yards yeah against Philly Spleen game. We're probably 962 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: had no business playing in that football game. And the 963 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: why option play versus Detroit that Jason Garrett reference and 964 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: Romo referenced in his letter last night, simply cannot agree 965 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: with that, only because Dave Hellman takes credit for bringing 966 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: that up and it was not him. You know, I 967 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: know he mentioned that to you as well. But I 968 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: have to go with the helmet list catch. That's the 969 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: one I voted for. And I only say that as 970 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: somebody who talks about iconic players in this league. There 971 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: are certain players where if you bring up their name, 972 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: you're going to remember a moment and you're gonna remember 973 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 1: an image. I think for a lot of Cowboys fans, 974 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: it is the helmet list catch. And you know, Brian 975 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: Jokes is one of his sayings is I played a 976 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: lot of games without a football helmet, Yet Jason Witten 977 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: could say that really literally did? Right? Fans agree sixty vote. 978 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 1: Mick helmet helmet was played? He play? Yeah, I mean, 979 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,680 Speaker 1: today's right. You think of one moment. I think you 980 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: think of that one. Look, I mean, look at the 981 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 1: giant twenty foot mural we got down the highway. I'll 982 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,359 Speaker 1: tell you what. It's not maybe a moment that people 983 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,439 Speaker 1: know about. But I remember him coming on the field 984 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 1: opening day in the Giants game. Or I didn't think 985 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: he was playing, got a doctor to say that, oh no, 986 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: he could play. The lacerated kidney and all that. I'm thinking, 987 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: there's no way he's playing this game. There is no 988 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: And he runs out there on the field. I'm going, okay, yeah, 989 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: all right, And you know, I mean it wasn't a 990 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: large numbers game. Another game against the Giants was won 991 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 1: the Romo Drive where they won the game and the 992 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: when the last the touchdown pass to Witton right there 993 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,279 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field where he pops into 994 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: the you know, pops right in there. He He's had 995 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: so many big, big catches. I think that's where you're 996 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: gonna miss him in those those big catch games. The 997 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: red zone, him and him and him and both him 998 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,319 Speaker 1: and does not being in the red zone. They better 999 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: figure something out how to kind of get that squared up. 1000 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: Will take care of that. Going to our fan vote. 1001 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,879 Speaker 1: They would love to see it, you know. He had 1002 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: He had also a bunch of game winning catches. Yeah, 1003 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: that's just a play winning catches? Was it? Washington? I 1004 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: can't remember recently. A couple of years ago. It was 1005 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: several catch game. Yeah, yeah, over time with Dak, over 1006 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: time with Dad. Yeah, against Philly, right, but the Giant 1007 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 1: the Romo drive because they just kept feeding the ball, 1008 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: feeding in the ball fee and then finally Romo just 1009 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not mistaken, didn't Romo drop the snap? He's 1010 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 1: kind of he's kicking it around and he kind of 1011 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 1: gathers himself and there's witting in the middle of the field. 1012 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: He just what about that one handed catch he basically 1013 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: had last year against San Francisco. Yes, there was a bunch, 1014 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: but the helmetless thing, and I remembered it, but as 1015 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,800 Speaker 1: I said, I better remind myself exactly what happened. So 1016 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: it ended up being a fifty three yard play inside 1017 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,759 Speaker 1: the ten yard line, but it was twenty three yard 1018 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: catch and then a thirty yard run and my recollection 1019 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,840 Speaker 1: was okay, and he got down by the ten and 1020 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: he just kind of ran out of bounds. Oh no, 1021 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: he didn't run out of bounces. He got tackled. Yeah, 1022 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,240 Speaker 1: he didn't go down and sell. Somebody tackled him without 1023 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: a helmet on. Nice guys, Nice guys there in Philly, 1024 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,840 Speaker 1: brother going to let him scored. I mean they actually 1025 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: they're showing it right now if you watch it with 1026 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: Mickey's talking about getting taken down. But you know, and 1027 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: you're looking at Colombo there yesterday, I just passed him 1028 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: around the Star and we were talking about it, and 1029 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, because we were saying, you know, we had 1030 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: to thank so many different people in his speech Jason Witten, 1031 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 1: did you know? And he made sure to mention a 1032 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 1: few names and to get into certain players would have 1033 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: taken probably a lot longer than most people wanted because 1034 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: you look at some of the guys that he really 1035 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: had good relationships with, some of the most random players 1036 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: that were on this team. So you know, my question 1037 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: on that play was, though, and they cut it off 1038 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: helmet the helmet, No, who Wit and got his helmet 1039 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,439 Speaker 1: for him? Did Romo pick it up and go okay, 1040 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 1: here thanks, Mike ran out there and got it. He 1041 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,800 Speaker 1: didn't have the ten year old kid that goes and 1042 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 1: gets the team to go out and get off. But 1043 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: you make a point. I think it's a good one 1044 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: about that he in fifteen years, you can affect a 1045 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: lot of people in the way. You know. I'm not 1046 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,320 Speaker 1: sure that Jason Witten probably went was friends with everybody 1047 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,799 Speaker 1: on the team, but I think everybody really respected him, 1048 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,479 Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's like there's teammates you don't 1049 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 1: go out to dinner with or hang out with and 1050 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: all that, but I think you had to respect the man. 1051 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that you know when you 1052 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,359 Speaker 1: when he walks away, or when as he walked away, 1053 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: he felt like, you know, I wouldn't really close to 1054 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: that guy, but you know what, I enjoyed having him 1055 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,760 Speaker 1: as a teammate. And he'll be able to talk about 1056 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 1: that a little bit on this Monday night broadcast. You know, 1057 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: the sign of his respect. I thought Rob probably saw 1058 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: it when we were sitting there and he was given 1059 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,879 Speaker 1: his fourteen fifteen minute speech whatever it ended up being. 1060 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,360 Speaker 1: The young guys on the team were sitting on like 1061 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: the edge of their seat, leaning forward, and they were 1062 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: listening to every word he said, especially dak Um. I 1063 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,839 Speaker 1: saw jar one young guys. I didn't know where Zeke 1064 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,240 Speaker 1: was sitting. You miss his hair trying til my story 1065 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 1: the grenade comes in. Tell me had just lobbed it 1066 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: right in? I know some guys on talk radio that 1067 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,920 Speaker 1: do that all the time. Tylor was good at it. Yeah. Anyway, 1068 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,279 Speaker 1: they were listening, and so that showed me that they 1069 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,959 Speaker 1: had a lot of respect for what he's done because 1070 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,080 Speaker 1: they were they were just attentive to what he was 1071 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: having to say. Absolutely well, we have time for one 1072 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: more caller. We have Nebbie from Maryland on the line. Nebbie, 1073 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Um, I'm doing well. Thanks for 1074 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:04,480 Speaker 1: asking first all, before I get to my question. Happy 1075 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,840 Speaker 1: thirty five a wedding anniversary. Mom and Dad, I love you, 1076 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: And my question is am I crazy for believing that 1077 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:24,720 Speaker 1: Xavier Wood is going to win? Uh? Uh? Our starting 1078 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 1: a job at Free Safety and and play wealth for us. 1079 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 1: Uh take care. Thanks for being patient with me and 1080 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:58,320 Speaker 1: have a great week. Bye. Great questions. We've had issues 1081 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: with our phone line, so he's up stayed true listening. Oh, 1082 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,839 Speaker 1: we do appreciate where we are getting phone calls for Yeah, change, 1083 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,239 Speaker 1: big change. Yeah, absolutely way to go Ken. Yeah, I 1084 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: think that Cam. I think that when we get to 1085 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: the OTA practices and stuff like that, I think you're 1086 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: gonna see Xavier Woods get the first shot at this thing, 1087 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 1: and and it's gonna be him and Jeff Heath and 1088 00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 1: they have to figure out what they're gonna do with 1089 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,800 Speaker 1: Byron joneses Byron Jones play at right cornerback? Is that 1090 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: you know? Is he gonna be the starter over there? 1091 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's something that we have to 1092 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 1: think about because a Woozier is going to be the 1093 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: left corner and you know, well Will Lewis b the 1094 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: nickel now that uh you know, but Xavier Woods was 1095 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,640 Speaker 1: the nickel the last uh yeah, you know, last several 1096 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: games since the Charger game. But to Nebbie's point, yeah, 1097 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,160 Speaker 1: I think that they're gonna go with Woods to to 1098 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,279 Speaker 1: start out, and if it works out, he's your guy. 1099 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,600 Speaker 1: If not, then they'll have to figure out something else 1100 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,640 Speaker 1: and figure out something quickly and don't eliminate Anthony Brown. 1101 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah from the equation. Yeah, to move back there and 1102 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,359 Speaker 1: play for well, I just somewhere I thought they got 1103 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: the season went along, Yeah, he got better towards the end, 1104 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: he struggled early, and I think they always worried about 1105 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: his flat out ketchup speed. Yeah, like he can't get 1106 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,759 Speaker 1: beat off the line of scrimmage. Just the penalties that 1107 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,000 Speaker 1: got him. I think he led the league or was 1108 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,400 Speaker 1: right up there before he got benched. They got a 1109 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 1: couple of kids that they signed as unrestricted, got an 1110 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,560 Speaker 1: unrestricted but free drafted. Yeah, cam Kelly, go back and 1111 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 1: read his report from San Diego State, and then also 1112 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,400 Speaker 1: to this Tyree Robinson from Oregon. Maybe a couple of 1113 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: guys that could be candidates for safeties. Kyle Quero who 1114 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,680 Speaker 1: they signed from Northwestern is a big safety. I think 1115 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna play him at linebacker. Just talking some people 1116 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 1: in the buildings. So but keep an eye on cam 1117 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,640 Speaker 1: Kelly and then also then Tyree Robinson, maybe some guys 1118 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,560 Speaker 1: that can maybe one of these young guys it's undrafted, 1119 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, I have a feeling that Cam Kelly, I'll 1120 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: check this out. I have a feeling he was on 1121 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,240 Speaker 1: the draft board. And they've probably got several guys that 1122 00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: were on the draft board that they went after after 1123 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: the drafting ale to get that secured. So that's always 1124 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 1: great when you got guys on your draft board that 1125 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: you wanted to draft and then you have to get 1126 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: to sign him. Boy, that's a huge bonus. And they 1127 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: need some depth there. I mean they only have three 1128 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,520 Speaker 1: guys on the roster now that played last year, right right, 1129 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean Showers is there and yeah they're there, Showers. 1130 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's something that there's three guys with NFL 1131 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 1: experience and that's it. And one of them, what Cavan Frasier, 1132 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,040 Speaker 1: only played about twenty five thirty percent of the plays, 1133 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 1: so yeah, not a lot of experience back they're accounting 1134 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 1: on him. Comedy, Well, thank you guys so much for 1135 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 1: joining us today. Great show is always with these awesome 1136 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,000 Speaker 1: guys stories from Mick. It doesn't get better than that. 1137 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,640 Speaker 1: Join us next week when we are back here in 1138 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 1: the SMWBC Mortgage Studio. This has been a production of 1139 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 1140 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: One