Speaker 1: HIV. Are you ready to have a great episode today? Oh?
Speaker 1: You bet, Elliott. But it's not just a great episode.
Speaker 1: It's the greatest episode because we're talking about not one
Speaker 1: but two great yep, Greek conqueror Alexander the Great and
Speaker 1: Russian Empress Catherine the Great. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: funny to have two subjects with the same last name.
Speaker 1: Be What are you talking about? They both have the
Speaker 1: same last name Great. You think they were related or
Speaker 1: maybe they were married true love on the Whos podcast? No, be,
Speaker 1: Alexander the Great and Catherine the Great lived nearly two
Speaker 1: thousand years apart from each other. Who talk about a
Speaker 1: long distance relationship, But hey, if the love is there,
Speaker 1: you can make it work. No. Great wasn't their last name.
Speaker 1: It's a title they were given for being larger than
Speaker 1: life rulers who made history in their lifetimes. Okay, now
Speaker 1: I get it. Sorry for the mix up, thank you,
Speaker 1: But still, Alexander the Great and Catherine the Great? How
Speaker 1: bonkers is it that they both have the same middle name,
Speaker 1: the And it's such a weird middle name. I mean,
Speaker 1: what are the odds? Hey? Eric, can you play the
Speaker 1: theme song before the Angry Vein and Elliot's forehead explodes.
Speaker 1: He go, what do you think you know about the
Speaker 1: rates room? This before the game is on? To get
Speaker 1: some energy and buckle up your brain, because it's time
Speaker 1: to play the worst podcast. Because it's time to play
Speaker 1: Who Live from Tongaland or so called so Cow? Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Love Them? Who Was? The history quich show that
Speaker 1: gives contestants the chance to win mega prizes and podcast Glorie,
Speaker 1: I'm your announcer, be and my name is an acronym
Speaker 1: for best ever announcer. And here's your host, owner of
Speaker 1: the world's largest collection of air in jars. It's Elliott
Speaker 1: A Linn. Thank you Be. It also doubles as the
Speaker 1: largest collection of jars. And welcome everyone to the Who Was? Podcast.
Speaker 1: This show is like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games,
Speaker 1: and a robot baby who tells us the weather it
Speaker 1: is makes me a dreen with a dirty person and
Speaker 1: of raining not how Yes, I knew I was right
Speaker 1: to leave out those buckets. I think we need to
Speaker 1: call the baby weather robot repair a guy. Anyway, our
Speaker 1: contestants were sent who Was books about two great figures
Speaker 1: from history. Now they're here to show off their knowledge
Speaker 1: and the hope of winning fantastic prize. Today we're talking
Speaker 1: about Alexander the Grady and Pathrid the Great to historical
Speaker 1: figures who were definitely not great when it came to modesty.
Speaker 1: But before we learn about them, let's learn about our contestants. Okay.
Speaker 1: First up, we have are In. Are In, Please introduce yourself. Hi,
Speaker 1: my name is In and I have two dogs that
Speaker 1: their names Cinnamon and Fast and Cinnamon is igantic, Baston
Speaker 1: just normal. Now are you a big fan of cinnamon?
Speaker 1: Is it one of your top spices? Yeah? Our family
Speaker 1: when it says but four pepoon the cinnamon, were like,
Speaker 1: we just pour it out until it's until we think
Speaker 1: that it's an elk, which is after a very long time.
Speaker 1: Have you ever made the mistake while cooking where it
Speaker 1: says poor in cinnamon and you've taken the dog cinnamon
Speaker 1: and put it into the food. Nope, but we do
Speaker 1: make jokes about that. Okay, good, good, nice, All right,
Speaker 1: thank you? Are in and with us today we also
Speaker 1: have Grace. Grace, please introduce yourself. I'm I'm the oldest
Speaker 1: of four. You're the oldest of four. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Uh your How old are your other siblings? Eight sticks
Speaker 1: and three? Oh my goodness. Okay, now are you closer
Speaker 1: with one of them? Like more close than with the
Speaker 1: other ones? But if who who would you team up with?
Speaker 1: If it was it was a sibling competition, who would
Speaker 1: you team up with? Probably the youngest and she's the
Speaker 1: only one who do just know how to kick? Strategy.
Speaker 1: That's very good strategy. Have you ever thought about four
Speaker 1: kids in one family? Have you ever thought about starting
Speaker 1: a band? Think about it. It's a great number. And
Speaker 1: also you can stand on the stage next to the
Speaker 1: youngest since they won't kick you. Very important thing in
Speaker 1: a band, not to get kick. All right, Well, thank
Speaker 1: you both so much for joining us today. It's great
Speaker 1: to have you here on the show. Okay, that's who
Speaker 1: is Now let's find out who was Alexander the Great
Speaker 1: with four fast facts. Alexander was born in three hundred
Speaker 1: fifty six BC and died in three hundred twenty three BC.
Speaker 1: Because it's BC, the numbers go down instead of up.
Speaker 1: Alexander the Great became King of Macedonia when he was
Speaker 1: only twenty years old. He went on to become one
Speaker 1: of the world's top five conquerors, taking over Egypt, Persia,
Speaker 1: and Afghanistan all before he turned thirty. Alexander solved the
Speaker 1: famous riddle of the Gordian knot, a knot that was
Speaker 1: said to be impossible to untie, and he solved it
Speaker 1: by chopping it in half with his swords. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a lot of accomplishments before your thirty. So are
Speaker 1: in and Grace. We have to ask you, do you
Speaker 1: think being thirty years old is old? No? Not really?
Speaker 1: My dad's fifty three. What a relief? What a relief
Speaker 1: that you both said no, Because I thought that you
Speaker 1: were going to say, yes, that's extremely old, and then
Speaker 1: I was going to have to say, but I'm more
Speaker 1: than thirty years old, and then you and I'm not old,
Speaker 1: and you would say yes, you are old, very very old,
Speaker 1: and I would be like, I don't think i'm old,
Speaker 1: and you would both be like, but you are old,
Speaker 1: very very old. Well, my dad's fifty three and he
Speaker 1: doesn't look old at all. So what's his secret? Lots
Speaker 1: of eating, lots of cinnamon, no idea. What we're also
Speaker 1: garlic fad. So what you're telling me is there's a
Speaker 1: vampire free zone for like a mile around your house
Speaker 1: because the garlic is just so strong. Yeah, okay, yeah, Grace,
Speaker 1: what's your feeling on what's your feelings on garlic? And
Speaker 1: then I have a follow up about cinnamon. Don't like
Speaker 1: garlic less? Fine? Garlic bread? Okay, garlic bread is delicious.
Speaker 1: And what about cinnamon? Do you like that on things? Yeah?
Speaker 1: My family isn't a big fan of cinnamon, but we
Speaker 1: like it. And my little list brother is puts it
Speaker 1: on literally everything. You know what. My little brother does
Speaker 1: the same exact thing. He puts cinnamon on everything too,
Speaker 1: and he's a grown man. He's older than thirty, which
Speaker 1: doesn't make him old, although it was rude that it did.
Speaker 1: That's right. Here's a hot tip. Put some cinnamon in
Speaker 1: your chili. All right, now, we've got to get moving
Speaker 1: on to her next. We don't have any more questions
Speaker 1: about chili, but we do have a game. In this
Speaker 1: game is called by any other name. In this game,
Speaker 1: we will talk about a part of Alexander the Great's life,
Speaker 1: but using an odd rhyming word or phrase instead of
Speaker 1: the exact one we're looking for. And then you should
Speaker 1: tell us the real word that rhymes with the nonsense
Speaker 1: words so for example, if the answer was Tyrannosaurus rex,
Speaker 1: we would say something funny that rhymes with it, like
Speaker 1: banana forest checks, which is a flavor of check cereal
Speaker 1: I tasted in a dream. It was okay, too much forests,
Speaker 1: not enough banana. And because this is our first game,
Speaker 1: each question is worth one point. Are in your up first.
Speaker 1: Alexander's first conquest came as a teenager when he tamed
Speaker 1: a seemingly untamable horse after realizing the horse was afraid
Speaker 1: of its own meadow shadow. That's right, the answer is shadow.
Speaker 1: Alexander smartly observed that the horse, named Bucephalis, which means
Speaker 1: ox head in grief, would go wild when it saw
Speaker 1: its own shadow and wouldn't let anyone ride him. By
Speaker 1: calmly turning the horse towards the suns that he couldn't
Speaker 1: see his shadow behind him, Alexander was able to keep
Speaker 1: Bucephalist peaceful. Capitalist would go on to be Alexander's course
Speaker 1: for years and through many battles. But as the story
Speaker 1: of the Shadow shows, some battles are best one with
Speaker 1: thinking rather than fighting. Okay, Grace, the next rhyme is
Speaker 1: for you. Alexander was the son of King Philip of Macedonia.
Speaker 1: But ever since he was a baby, it was rumored
Speaker 1: he was actually the son of the Greek god goose Zeus.
Speaker 1: That's right, it was the Greek god Zeus that had
Speaker 1: long been suspected that Alexander was actually the son of Zeus,
Speaker 1: king of the Greek gods, And during his conquest of Egypt,
Speaker 1: Alexander visited the Temple of Ammon and asked the Egyptian
Speaker 1: gods whose real father was. Nobody knows what he was told,
Speaker 1: but from then on Alexander called himself the son of Zeus. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, fact check, it's not really possible, because Zeus
Speaker 1: isn't real. Uh I hope ze is. If you're real,
Speaker 1: please don't hit me with a lightning bolt. And if
Speaker 1: you do, make sure I'm not in the room. I
Speaker 1: always believed in you Zeus, not like doubting Elliott over here.
Speaker 1: Thanks for your support, be Why don't you just tell
Speaker 1: our in the next rhyme? Please all right? Are in?
Speaker 1: Alexander was as dedicated to learning as he was to
Speaker 1: conquering the entire known world. In fact, when he founded
Speaker 1: the city of Alexandria, he built the first Chai berry library.
Speaker 1: That's right, it was the first library. When Alexander added
Speaker 1: pharaoh of Egypt to his list of jobs, he built
Speaker 1: a new capital city, Alexandria, because he loved naming things
Speaker 1: after himself. Alexandria was famous for its library, which held
Speaker 1: a copy of every book ever written in Greek. The
Speaker 1: Library of Alexandria stood for nearly a thousand years until
Speaker 1: it was destroyed in the year six forty a d. Luckily,
Speaker 1: your local library is still around and probably full of
Speaker 1: great who was books. And this final rhyme is for grace.
Speaker 1: Alexander's loyal soldiers followed him for years, but they started
Speaker 1: getting mad when he invaded India and made them march
Speaker 1: through a bassoon. I guess no, not now, we're looking
Speaker 1: for a bit, but somewhat close. I'm sorry. The answer
Speaker 1: was monsoon, a heavy rain that lasts for months. Alexander
Speaker 1: made his soldiers marched through NonStop rain and mud for
Speaker 1: seventy days. For seventy days, their clothes were never dry. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know what that's like, mill fun Well, I told
Speaker 1: you being stopped going to the water park in your
Speaker 1: regular clothes. I like what, donnim In the end, Alexander's
Speaker 1: men refused to keep marching and forced Alexander to turn
Speaker 1: back home, though he did make them take the long
Speaker 1: route and keep conquering along the way. In the end,
Speaker 1: Alexander died before retrained to Macedonia. Now it's time to
Speaker 1: return to the show, because that's the end of By
Speaker 1: any other Name. Okay, that was a great round, contestants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Alexander may be great, but so are your memory. And
Speaker 1: now let's go to our own library of Who Was?
Speaker 1: Andrea producer Jane with the scores, Thank you, Williott. The
Speaker 1: scores are currently are in two grace one, Thank you, Jane.
Speaker 1: A very very close games, still anyone's game, and we'll
Speaker 1: get right back to it after this short break. Eric,
Speaker 1: please play us some marching through a monsoon music if
Speaker 1: you would please, John Phillips, Storms, Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Who Was? Podcast. Today we're learning all about Alexander the
Speaker 1: Great and Katherine the Great and now back to your host,
Speaker 1: Elliot Galen. Thank you be. Our scores are currently are
Speaker 1: in two points and grace one point. These are fierce competitors,
Speaker 1: almost as fierce as Alexander and Katherine the Great, So
Speaker 1: let's get right to it by finding out more about
Speaker 1: Catherine the Great with four fast facts. Katherine the Great
Speaker 1: live from seventeen twenty nine to seventeen nine. She ruled
Speaker 1: Russia as empress for thirty four years. Katherine the Great
Speaker 1: wasn't actually Russian, but was originally from Prussia, which is
Speaker 1: now called Germany. She was the first Russian ruler to
Speaker 1: let Russians vote for their own representatives in the governments.
Speaker 1: And now let's get Russian to our next game. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, up and bowing to the applause, I assume
Speaker 1: is coming from the audience at home. It's something we
Speaker 1: call backpack from the past from the baby. Okay, right here,
Speaker 1: I have Katherine the Great's actual backpack, which I found
Speaker 1: on a bus and which contains some of her personal objects.
Speaker 1: B and I are going to describe those objects for
Speaker 1: our contestants and the listeners at home. Contestants, you choose
Speaker 1: the choice that best describes the object and what it
Speaker 1: meant to Katherine. And since this is our second game,
Speaker 1: each question is worth two points. Grace, you're up first.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see what our first object is. Oh hey,
Speaker 1: it's a thick woolen nightgown. Why would this d in
Speaker 1: Katherine's backpack. Is it a because as a girl she
Speaker 1: used to walk the halls of the palace at night
Speaker 1: in her nightgown studying the Russian language? Or be because
Speaker 1: as empress she was famous for her slumber parties, where
Speaker 1: she and other crown heads of Europe would stay up
Speaker 1: all night eating snacks. A. That's right, The answer is a.
Speaker 1: As a teenager, Katherine was sent to Russia to become
Speaker 1: the wife of the future Emperor Peter the Third, but
Speaker 1: she didn't know how to speak Russian, so she would
Speaker 1: walk the freezing halls of the palace in her nightgown
Speaker 1: studying the language. In fact, she got so cold that
Speaker 1: she came down with pneumonia. The idea that this German
Speaker 1: girl wanted to be Russian so badly that she would
Speaker 1: risk serious illness endeared Katherine to the Russian people. Now
Speaker 1: this next object is for urn, all right. It's a
Speaker 1: toy soldier. Oh, it's a cute little guy with this
Speaker 1: uniform and his mustache. Why would Katherine have this in
Speaker 1: her backpack? Was it because a Katherine blew off the
Speaker 1: steam of being a ruler by making wooden toys in
Speaker 1: her spare time. Or because be her husband, Emperor Peter
Speaker 1: the Third wouldn't stop playing with his toy soldiers. B.
Speaker 1: That's right. The answer is be even as a grown up,
Speaker 1: Peter was obsessed with his toy soldiers and would spend
Speaker 1: all night playing through elaborate pretend battles while Katherine sat
Speaker 1: around forward. What a drip, no wonder? Katherine took his
Speaker 1: throne and put him in jail. Well. Also, he was
Speaker 1: giving military secrets to Prussia, a country Russia was at
Speaker 1: warwick Katherine was a Prussian who loved Russia and Peter
Speaker 1: was a Russian who loved Prussia. Who. I guess opposites
Speaker 1: don't attract. Okay, this next object is for grace. WHOA,
Speaker 1: this one's a little big and slippery. Oh it's an
Speaker 1: entire raw turkey. Now I have to go wash my hands.
Speaker 1: But before I do. Why would there be a turkey
Speaker 1: in this backpack? Was it because A Catherine started celebrating
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in Russia or b because she sent her troops
Speaker 1: to fight a war with Turkey. A. I'm sorry. The
Speaker 1: answer is Katherine the Great wanted to fight a war
Speaker 1: with Turkeys that she could take some of its land
Speaker 1: around the Black Sea. Back before airplanes, everything that was
Speaker 1: sent from one country to another had to go by ship,
Speaker 1: and Russia's ports would freeze during the winter, so they
Speaker 1: couldn't be used. But the Black Sea was warm enough
Speaker 1: that it could be used year round. Russia won that
Speaker 1: war and conquered in the area known as Crimea, which
Speaker 1: they eventually lost in the Crimean War of the eighteen fifties,
Speaker 1: and then Russia invaded it again in two thousand fourteen.
Speaker 1: It's very complicated. Look, the important thing is that Turkey
Speaker 1: is both a country and a delicious bird. And our
Speaker 1: last object of the game is for urn. Oh it's hot,
Speaker 1: hot enough, it's a lit candle. Why am I holding
Speaker 1: this by the flame? And why would Katherine have a
Speaker 1: burning light in her backpack? Was it because A she
Speaker 1: loved the liberal philosophies of the Enlightenment as represented by
Speaker 1: a candle, or B she was secretly afraid of the
Speaker 1: dark Ay, that's right. The answers A. Katherine was fascinated
Speaker 1: by the new ideas of the Age of Enlightenment, which
Speaker 1: celebrated science, human equality, and liberty. In addition to introducing
Speaker 1: regional elections to send representatives to see her, she also
Speaker 1: established a famous school for girls, encouraged Russian doctors to
Speaker 1: study the latest breakthroughs, and built the Hermitage, the second
Speaker 1: largest art museum in the world. Of course, she was
Speaker 1: still an empress who sent her armies to take over
Speaker 1: parts of other countries, so she was only slightly enlightened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wasn't exactly woke, more like half awake, but drowsy.
Speaker 1: And now it's time for us to wake up from
Speaker 1: that game from the baby. Okay, nice work, everybody. Now
Speaker 1: let's walk down a cold hallway in our nightgowns to
Speaker 1: producer Jane with the schools Elliott, please get dressed. The
Speaker 1: score is currently six for RN and three for Grace.
Speaker 1: Thanks Jane. And now it's time for my new segment,
Speaker 1: Be Like Me, where I get the lifestyle secrets of
Speaker 1: our historical stars so I can be more like them.
Speaker 1: I don't remember talking about this segment, b that's because
Speaker 1: I mentioned it when you were asleep. Eric. That Be
Speaker 1: Like Me theme song, Hello and welcome to Be Like Me.
Speaker 1: We've got a very special guest today live in the studio,
Speaker 1: Katherine the Great. Thank you for inviting me onto the
Speaker 1: shall Be. I'm thanks for they hold us ape for
Speaker 1: getting me here. He wants b How long is this segment?
Speaker 1: We've already heard two different songs. Okay, that was the
Speaker 1: last one. Calm down. Today, Catherine the Great will be
Speaker 1: telling us all about what it's like to be great. So, Katherine,
Speaker 1: is there like a great club where everyone called great
Speaker 1: hangs out? That's ridiculous. Be there's no way that there's
Speaker 1: some yip is exactly right. I am in the great club.
Speaker 1: It is me Alexander the Great, Frederick the Great, Cyrus
Speaker 1: the Great, Charlemagne, whose name means Charles the Great, the
Speaker 1: great one, then great Skip, and a magician, the Great Spelledini.
Speaker 1: So Wayne Bretsky and the magician are in a club
Speaker 1: with Charlemagne. They're all called the great, aren't they anyway?
Speaker 1: Nice a year we go to the great likes and
Speaker 1: read the Great gatesby and eat great truth, because it
Speaker 1: sort of sounds like the great fruit. It's a great club,
Speaker 1: of course. Wow. Did you always know you were great?
Speaker 1: Of course? Need When I was young, my name wasn't
Speaker 1: even Caterine yet, I was just little. So they Frederica
Speaker 1: Augusta on Service, the daughter of a minor prince. I
Speaker 1: was always overseaded by my mother, Princess Johanna, Elizabeth horse
Speaker 1: Time or I can't believe these are real names. I know, right,
Speaker 1: nobody knows how to do a name anymore. Everyone was
Speaker 1: disappointed that I wasn't a boy. Nobody takes attention to me.
Speaker 1: After my brother was born, well the jokes on him.
Speaker 1: He totally died young of scarlet fever. Catherine, that was
Speaker 1: very insensitive place. I'm all about enlightenment values. But you've
Speaker 1: got to be pretty ruthless if you're going to overthrow
Speaker 1: your husband Tyke is drowned and conquer your neighbor. So ruthlessness, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's probab of being great. I don't know. Greatness doesn't
Speaker 1: sound very nice. Greatness is different than niceness. It's about
Speaker 1: being a big, powerful, important person. Oh not necessarily a
Speaker 1: good person. Many people were hurt under my rule and
Speaker 1: assigned with Alexander. I attacked Turkey and Poland he burned
Speaker 1: down the city of Persepolis. Brightness and goodness are not
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's some kind of down Katherine. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just that it's so much pressure to be great
Speaker 1: all the time. You can never be gentle or silly
Speaker 1: or relaxed or nice. I mean, you hurt a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Sometimes I wish I didn't turn out to
Speaker 1: be great when she just has people to stop calling
Speaker 1: you Catherine the Great, because it's a lot easier to
Speaker 1: say than Sophie. Frederica Augusta on Hole deserves then Elliott
Speaker 1: and being this has been great. I was going to
Speaker 1: say mildly amusing, but okay, now I must go. It's
Speaker 1: possible to you both and to the hoof? Was it more?
Speaker 1: You know, being a great sounds kind of me. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't want to be great? Whoa if I'm called
Speaker 1: be the Great, it sounds more like I'm encouraging people
Speaker 1: to be great rather than letting them mild that I'm great. Oh, b,
Speaker 1: don't worry. You were never going to be great. Thanks Elliott,
Speaker 1: before you realize that wasn't a compliment. I want to
Speaker 1: say thank you to Catherine the Great for reminding us
Speaker 1: that greatness. This isn't always that great, but I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what will be great our final game right after
Speaker 1: this short break, Eric, please play us some Sophie Frederic
Speaker 1: august von Holden on Hall ser Catherine the Great music, Eric,
Speaker 1: please play us some cast in the Great music please
Speaker 1: pretty good, Sally, who was Marie? You may remember me
Speaker 1: from winning multiple Nobele rises, or perhaps from my episode
Speaker 1: of the who Wars podcast where I played myself. I
Speaker 1: wanted to take a moment to read one of my
Speaker 1: favorite reviews about the WHOS podcast. This is from Shaken
Speaker 1: Bay and it reads loved this Me and my little
Speaker 1: sister love this show more. Please. Our faith is Rieman.
Speaker 1: If you want to hear your review right on the air,
Speaker 1: make sure to subscribe, like, and review to the OAS
Speaker 1: podcast in the I Heart Radio up or wherever you
Speaker 1: give your podcasts a revoir or should let's stay abien
Speaker 1: do We're back on the WHOST podcast. When we last
Speaker 1: loved off Or had six points and Grace had three points.
Speaker 1: Now back to your host, Elliott Dalen, Thank you be.
Speaker 1: We've had a great time on this great show about greats,
Speaker 1: and now it's a great time for our great last
Speaker 1: great game, Converge of Greatness, and this time it's literal.
Speaker 1: In this multiple choice game will explore how our two
Speaker 1: grades connect, overlap, or converge. And because we're in the
Speaker 1: third round, each question is worth three points. Ready, the
Speaker 1: first question goes to R and B take it away.
Speaker 1: Both Catherine and Alexander were rulers deeply interested in philosophy.
Speaker 1: Katherine kept current on the latest French thinking, and it
Speaker 1: was actually the philosopher Denny Dido who first called her
Speaker 1: the Great. When Alexander was a boy, he was tutored
Speaker 1: by Which legendary Greek philosopher was it A Aristotle, B.
Speaker 1: Plato or c. Clato? Aristotle? You got it right. The
Speaker 1: answers A Aristotle say it with confidence. At the time,
Speaker 1: Aristotle was considered to be the wisest man in Greece,
Speaker 1: and his writings are still studied today. Aristotle taught Alexander
Speaker 1: in exchange for Alexander's dad, Philip, rebuilding Aristotle's hometown, which
Speaker 1: Philip had destroyed. Kids don't get the wrong idea. Destroying
Speaker 1: someone's hometown is not an acceptable way to offer them
Speaker 1: a job. And our next question is for grace. Alexander's
Speaker 1: troops got mad because they never returned home from his
Speaker 1: campaign of conquest, But maybe it's better that they didn't
Speaker 1: go back to Macedonia. When Katherine the Great's troops returned
Speaker 1: from the war with Turkey, what did they bring back
Speaker 1: with them? A blisters be the bubonic plague or see
Speaker 1: seven years bad luck the plague. You're exactly right. The
Speaker 1: answers be the bubonic plague, or, as it's also known,
Speaker 1: just the plague. That's how bad it is. The plague
Speaker 1: ended up killing many more of Katherine's people than the
Speaker 1: war did. People were so frightened that Katherine almost lost
Speaker 1: control of Moscow until she imposed a strict quarantine. So remember, kids, war,
Speaker 1: what is it good for? Absolutely nothing, unless you're a
Speaker 1: plague germ, in which case war is great for you.
Speaker 1: And the next question is for urn. Russia was low
Speaker 1: on money when Catherine took over, so she showed solidarity
Speaker 1: by refusing to take a salary as empress. Similarly, when
Speaker 1: Alexander let his men on a deadly march through an
Speaker 1: enormous desert, how did he show solidarity with them? Did
Speaker 1: he A refuse to drink water until there was enough
Speaker 1: for everyone, b throw away his shoes because some of
Speaker 1: his soldiers had lost theirs, or see eat only onions,
Speaker 1: no matter how bad it made his breath smell A.
Speaker 1: That's right, The answer is A. After days of grueling
Speaker 1: marching under the hot sun, a soldier brought Alexander a
Speaker 1: helmet full of water, the only water they could find,
Speaker 1: meaning nobody would drink except Alexander. Rather than take a
Speaker 1: sip while his men went thirsty, Alexander poured the water
Speaker 1: on the ground in solidarity. His men cheered and kept marching.
Speaker 1: It took two months, but they eventually reached the end
Speaker 1: of the desert and through a huge party where everyone
Speaker 1: got married. All okay. Our final question is for grace.
Speaker 1: Even though people called Alexander and Catherine great, neither had
Speaker 1: long lasting legacies. After his death, Alexander's empire split into
Speaker 1: three different kingdoms. After Katherine's death, her son Paul passed
Speaker 1: a law that said what a Russians can no longer
Speaker 1: marry Prussians be enlightenment philosophers are not allowed in Russia.
Speaker 1: Or see that no woman could ever rule Russia again.
Speaker 1: See that's right. The answer is ce Emperor Paul passed
Speaker 1: a law that said the Russian throne could only be
Speaker 1: passed on to an emperor's eldest son. This meant a
Speaker 1: woman could never be empress again. Russia no longer has
Speaker 1: an emperor today, but Catherine is still the last woman
Speaker 1: to have ever ever been its leader. In a way,
Speaker 1: it shows how powerful she was that her son felt
Speaker 1: like he needed to pass a law to never let
Speaker 1: it happen again. And that's the end of converge of greatness.
Speaker 1: That great music means it's the end of the great game,
Speaker 1: which means it's almost the end of this great show.
Speaker 1: We'll wait for Jane the Great to tally the points.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from our great contestants. What is
Speaker 1: something you were surprised to learn about Alexander the Great
Speaker 1: and Catherine the Great? Grace? What surprised you? I don't know,
Speaker 1: is an Ammian thing. I guess the real lesson here
Speaker 1: is socks. You gotta wear socks, people, you gotta wear socks.
Speaker 1: You gotta wear socks. And aren what surprised you about
Speaker 1: Alexander the Great or Catherine the Great Alexand I was
Speaker 1: surprised when I read it. Alexander the Great there by
Speaker 1: the arrow that hit Yeah, do you remember that story?
Speaker 1: He Alexander the Great was in so much fighting. At
Speaker 1: one point he got hit with an arrow, but he lived.
Speaker 1: There was all sorts of swords flying all over the place,
Speaker 1: a very dangerous life. And also, again I gotta say,
Speaker 1: socks if you're gonna be if arrows is gonna be
Speaker 1: flying around, you want to have socks on your feet
Speaker 1: you can kind of slip and slide around and also
Speaker 1: so you can keep warm. Always a good idea. It's
Speaker 1: never a bad idea to wear socks. Thank you both
Speaker 1: of you for that very honest answer. Now for the
Speaker 1: great moment of the show, Jane the Great please announced
Speaker 1: our great winner. Well, Grace was way behind, but you
Speaker 1: made a great effort at the end. However, are In
Speaker 1: went ahead with twelve points to Grace's nine. Are In
Speaker 1: is our winner. Nice job, you posted great and we
Speaker 1: hope you had fun. It was an exciting game. Aren
Speaker 1: as our winner. You will have ten great seconds for
Speaker 1: shout outs. Who do you think is great? Who helped
Speaker 1: you win today? Who you want to thank? My parents
Speaker 1: who signed me and listen telling me about it, and
Speaker 1: my friends who are my friends, And of course you
Speaker 1: guys for before just you You're literally made it happen.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I don't think anyone has ever
Speaker 1: given us a shout out after they win. That is
Speaker 1: that was very sweet of you. That was great. Oh
Speaker 1: and while our contestants enjoyed their cinnamon and garlic I'm
Speaker 1: going to give my own shout outs, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say our winner and their library of choice, who receiving
Speaker 1: a selection of Who Was books? And I'm going to
Speaker 1: shout out in turns act to Jane Eric, to Natalie
Speaker 1: Walker for being our Catherine the Great and to be
Speaker 1: in a big thank you to both of our contestants
Speaker 1: are playing a great game today, and of course the
Speaker 1: greatest of thank you's to the greatest of all you,
Speaker 1: the listener listening to this show, Thank you for doing so.
Speaker 1: Next week join us again, we'll find out about two
Speaker 1: more amazing people from the past. Until then, this is
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