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Speaker 1: First of all, thank you. It's honor and pleasure to

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Speaker 1: But we really appreciate you coming on the show and

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Speaker 2: Well, it's my pleasure. Good afternoon, and I'm happy to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: First question is when you first got to the league,

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Speaker 1: who's the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 4: First person? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Man, that's that's a tough one because I came off

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Speaker 4: First got to the league.

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Speaker 2: I would say my toughest the toughest player that I

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Speaker 2: had to guard was the guy that played on my team.

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Speaker 4: The name was Bobby Dandridge.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yo, yo yo. We live on location me

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Speaker 5: and the blackest one man. We got one of the

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Speaker 5: best players of all time with us today. Were very

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Speaker 5: privileged to have our og an eight time NBA All Star,

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Speaker 5: three times All NBA Second Team and he's also in

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Speaker 5: the National Basketball Hall of Fame. His jersey Haynes in

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Speaker 5: the Denver Arena we got missed at alex English in

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you pulling up og. All right, thank you guys,

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Speaker 4: it's good to be.

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Speaker 1: Here, yes, sir, South Carolina. How was it growing up

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Speaker 1: in that time in South Carolina? And what made you

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Speaker 1: pick up the basketball? And who put the basketball in

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Speaker 2: Growing up in Columbia, South Carolina back in the sixties

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Speaker 2: was not easy, very segregated. Grew up in of course,

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Speaker 2: a household of thirteen brothers, sisters, and cousins, three roomhouse.

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Speaker 2: And for me, it was fun, you know, growing up

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Speaker 2: in Columbia, even though you know, we had the segregation

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Speaker 2: Being a young kid, you didn't pay as much attention

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Speaker 2: sport is in season. So we played basketball, we played baseball,

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Speaker 2: we played football, whatever was in season we played. And

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Speaker 2: I took a liking to football, and I was I

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Speaker 2: played defensive end, and I got away from football on

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Speaker 2: my first my first, my first game, they swept my

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 2: My basketball coach said, you you should just stay with

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Speaker 1: What gave you the love for basketball and who taught

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Speaker 1: you like the fundamentals of basketball.

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Speaker 2: You know, as you all know, playing the game of basketball,

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Speaker 2: there is no two things that are the same every time,

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Speaker 2: so you know, two players are the same, It's all different.

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Speaker 2: And what I loved about it was the creativity. And

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Speaker 2: to me, it was my dance, it was my ballet,

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Speaker 2: you know, my hip hop. Whatever I did on the

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Speaker 2: basketball court was my way of expressing myself and nobody

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Speaker 2: learn to play and I enjoyed it. You know, I

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Speaker 4: On all the things that you can add.

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Speaker 2: As you know, when you work on your game in

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Speaker 2: the summertime, you know, to get better, you start doing

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Speaker 5: At what age would you say that you started to

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Speaker 2: It took I'd say my ninth grade year, you know,

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Speaker 2: my eighth grade year I played for my junior high

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Speaker 2: school team and never got a chance to play. You know,

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Speaker 2: I was growing so fast, and I was kind of awkward,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the coach just didn't see anything, any.

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Speaker 4: Kind of talent in me.

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Speaker 2: But I started growing and between my eighth and ninth

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Speaker 1: When did you to me, like in today's game, I

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Speaker 1: feel like the best players are the players who.

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Speaker 3: Have a mill range game.

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Speaker 1: You're the best mill range guy out there. When you

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Speaker 1: was coming up, what made you concentrate and style your

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Speaker 2: Well, that's all we had. We didn't have the three

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Speaker 2: point line when I was growing up. You know, we

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Speaker 2: from that three point line to the basket was our

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Speaker 4: Yea, So we had to be able to.

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Speaker 2: Score in that area, and for me, it was a

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Speaker 2: matter of playing an off balance game and you know,

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Speaker 2: not expecting you to shoot. Shooting or running one hander.

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Speaker 2: You know that it was long and lanky, but wasn't

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Speaker 2: I had to have other little twos to make my

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Speaker 4: Every summer. I would, you know, work.

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Speaker 2: On a running one hand or work on an off

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Speaker 2: balance running one hander, you know. But the thing that

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Speaker 2: I would say made my game effective was that it

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Speaker 2: was mid range. But I always knew to follow, you know,

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Speaker 2: the basic stuff that we all learned.

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Speaker 4: Follow the shots, get the putbacks.

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Speaker 2: You know it's going to go to the other side

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Speaker 2: of the basket if it goes off. So all those

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was telling these kids all the time, like,

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Speaker 1: if you master the fundamentals, then you can start adding

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Speaker 1: all your flash and all the other stuff that you

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Speaker 1: want to work on. But you know, a lot of

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Speaker 4: And to the three point line, yea.

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Speaker 3: And to the three three point lily to that.

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Speaker 2: They don't know that the beauty of the game is

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Speaker 2: you see all the creativity. You can catch the ball

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Speaker 2: you gotta be able to maneuver.

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Speaker 4: You gotta go through pitch screens, physical work, all that.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, you gotta be able to dance, you

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Speaker 1: Growing up in South Carolina in high school, was y'all

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Speaker 3: Did y'all play like white schools in high school?

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Speaker 4: And how was my first year? Well, my junior high

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Speaker 2: They desegregated the South, so I went to a mixed school.

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Speaker 2: And you know, all all the black schools in the

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Speaker 4: Was that like a culture shock for you?

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Speaker 5: Like you're saying, you're coming from all black neighborhood, growing

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Speaker 4: How was that adjustment? It was?

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Speaker 2: It was, but as being a young player, that happened

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Speaker 4: It was, you know, you were still young.

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Speaker 2: And you you didn't really pay as much attention to

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Speaker 2: We're going to bring them all together, and they brought

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Speaker 1: Yeah, averaging thirty one as a junior like run that

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Speaker 1: And then to get to the point to average thirty one,

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Speaker 3: You want to guy, you know, the average thirty one

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Speaker 1: Year in high school? Like, explain that season for us?

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Speaker 2: Well, it was just what I said, It was just

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Speaker 4: It was shooting good. I had a good team too.

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Speaker 2: I had good teammates, and I knew what my role

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Speaker 2: was and my role was a dude, was the block shots, rebound,

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Speaker 2: by doing little things like putting the ball back up

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Speaker 1: When you came out of high school, was it like,

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Speaker 1: what was the process of like college? Just looking at you,

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Speaker 1: was it a bunch of colleges?

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Speaker 3: Was it a few?

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Speaker 1: Or could you almost went somewhere else outside of South Carolina?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? You know.

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Speaker 2: Back then, you know, you would get a letter from

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Speaker 2: like I could have a better effect on my community

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Speaker 2: During that period of time, African Americans didn't want to

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Speaker 2: big thing for me to come and stay home and

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Speaker 2: be a part of the community.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big.

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Speaker 2: I believe in trying to advance the African American situation

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Speaker 4: And it worked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you say, you start shooting jump shots your freshman years.

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Speaker 1: What coach or who kind of taught you to like,

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Speaker 1: you need to add this mid range jump shot to

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Speaker 1: did they teach you like with form or you was

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the story I played my junior

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Speaker 5: You said that when you got there, you know, you

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Speaker 5: wanted to change how everybody looked at going to South

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Speaker 4: Gonna be denied.

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Speaker 5: Was that part of you saying that you was going

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Speaker 5: to start and play in every single game and never

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Speaker 5: did you realize how rare that would become?

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Speaker 4: Well? I realized what I could do.

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Speaker 2: And when I got to South Carolina, there was only

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Speaker 4: He didn't get to play much. But I was different.

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Speaker 2: I was six', eight and even THOUGH i was, SLIM

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Speaker 2: i was more of an agile. PLAYER i run ran the,

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Speaker 2: Things and you, know my freshman year coming To South,

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Speaker 2: HEY i came BECAUSE i felt LIKE i could, Play

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Speaker 2: and you're, RIGHT i was not gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Denied playing In South.

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Speaker 1: Carolina after your four years and you have the scoring,

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Speaker 1: record the all time scoring, record all time rebounding, record

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Speaker 1: how did you feel to accomplish that at a university

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Speaker 4: Rebounder, well for, me, Well i'm not the all time leading.

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Speaker 2: Scorer now a guy by the name of bj McKie

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Speaker 4: As At university Of South.

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Speaker 2: Carolina but you know WHAT i think about WHAT i

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Speaker 4: Play freshmen were they had another another squad for.

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Speaker 2: Freshmen but WHEN i came, out they had made it

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Speaker 1: That when you decided to go to the, draft explain

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Speaker 1: the process of like how many teams you worked out.

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Speaker 4: For pre draft? Process you, Guys you guys have a different.

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Speaker 2: Perspective WHEN i came out as a second round, pick

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Speaker 2: they called me on the phone and Said Milwaukee bucks

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Speaker 4: You that was. It that was.

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Speaker 2: It it was no working out for. Nobody you just.

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Speaker 2: Reported you reported the training camp in the, fall and

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Speaker 2: you tried to make the.

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Speaker 3: Team so what was what was that?

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Speaker 1: Like did you get your family together and y'all set

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Speaker 2: Yeah i'm, like you, know it was the draft, day

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Speaker 2: i was HOPING i was gonna get. Drafted and then

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Speaker 2: my coach called me and, said, yeah you got drafted

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Speaker 2: in the second.

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Speaker 4: ROUND i, was, oh, great not knowing.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what that, meant but he looked me up with

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Speaker 2: one of his friends who was an attorney to be my,

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Speaker 5: Started so, basically it was like they basically watched our,

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Speaker 5: games watched the games and then, decided like on draft,

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Speaker 4: Take and then you guys found out by phone. CALL

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Speaker 4: i was no.

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Speaker 5: Bringing guys in working. Out it was just we watched

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Speaker 5: when it comes out of, time we just gonna call

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Speaker 2: You, yeah nothing like what you all. Did it was

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Speaker 2: just a phone. Call you got. Drafted we drafted you

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Speaker 2: in the second. Round and you, KNOW i got my first.

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Speaker 2: YEAR i got my bonus for signing with The Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Bucks it was ten thousand dollars and my first year

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Speaker 2: was THAT i Made IF i made the, TEAM i

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Speaker 2: would get fifty, Thousand so my total compensation that year

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Speaker 2: the second. Year but it was a two year, deal

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Speaker 2: so the second YEAR i would go up to sixty.

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Speaker 4: Thousand IF i made the. Team that was.

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Speaker 2: It so it wasn't you, know that wasn't that umbre

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Speaker 2: that parachute to, Say, okay IF i signed and don't

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Speaker 2: make the, Team i'm gonna still get paid Because i've

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Speaker 2: got a guaranteed. CONTRACT i had to go out and

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Speaker 2: work my tail off each.

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Speaker 1: Year, sure, sure but what was your Mental like you're

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Speaker 1: coming from playing every single game in, college you, know

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Speaker 1: all time leading, score all time leading, rebound to get

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Speaker 1: into the highest league that's out there and you get limited.

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Speaker 1: Minutes so how did you just mentally stay focused on

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Speaker 1: Like i'm gonna stick with. It CAUSE i, heard like

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Speaker 1: back in the, day guys playing in THE nba and

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Speaker 1: they still had other jobs and stuff or other things

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Speaker 1: that they was, doing and the pros some guys.

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Speaker 2: DID i was blessed to go to a good squad

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Speaker 2: and you, KNOW i had mentors that were that were. Strong,

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Speaker 2: uh that guy who beat me out in high school

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Speaker 2: was also playing for The Milwaukee bucks WHEN i got,

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Speaker 2: there and we were fighting for the same, position and

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Speaker 2: he ended up getting cut AND i got to. Stay

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Speaker 2: but my mentors at that time were people Like Bob

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Speaker 2: dandridge and the Great Junior bridgeman And Dave. Myers they

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Speaker 2: were all, there SO i got to learn from from

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Speaker 4: People so it was it was a lot easier for.

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Speaker 4: Me BUT i.

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Speaker 2: WORKED i worked my tail, off you. KNOW i, Said

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Speaker 2: i'm not going to be. Denied i'm going to make this.

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Speaker 2: Team SO i did everything THAT i needed to do

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Speaker 2: and had a good preseason and almost got cut and

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Speaker 2: the owner Of Wayne hembry called me down and, said,

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Speaker 2: hey you, know we called you. Down we want to cut,

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Speaker 2: you we want to release, you but we feel you're too.

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Speaker 4: Valuable we're going to keep. You SO i was out

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Speaker 4: the door.

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Speaker 2: And back in the door in one, day and that

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Speaker 2: was the beginning of my.

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Speaker 5: Career, yeah you brought Up Junior, bridgeman as you know

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Speaker 4: Passed can you talk about how he was as a

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Speaker 5: YOU i, mean He i'm like a mentor to so

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Speaker 5: many of the younger guys and the guys in the

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Speaker 5: current generation for everything he's accomplished and. Did but talk

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Speaker 5: about him in those days being your, mentor well he.

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Speaker 4: Was he was a.

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Speaker 2: Friend he Was he played the same POSITION i. Played

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Speaker 2: he played a small, forward two. GUARD i played small.

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Speaker 2: Forward but he was just one of the best human

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Speaker 2: beings overall THAT i have ever. Met and even to

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Speaker 2: the day he, DIED i would SAY i have not

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Speaker 2: met a better human being Than Junior. Bridgeman you, know

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Speaker 2: we played together for a couple of. Years we stayed.

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Speaker 2: FRIENDS i Left milwaukee and he stayed. THERE i was

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Speaker 2: A wendy's franchise as. Well oh, okay and he is

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Speaker 2: the one that got me involved In.

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Speaker 4: Wendy's that's.

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Speaker 2: Awesome he was a mentor and just a great, friend

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Speaker 2: great human being WHO i love and respect and will miss.

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Speaker 4: Dearly so you go to The.

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Speaker 1: Pacers you wind up going to The Indiana, pacers and

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Speaker 1: you start. Playing, now you start, playing you start your first,

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Speaker 1: year you average sixteen eight and three on fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: Shooting you, know really watching a lot of the games

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Speaker 1: the first two, years and then in second two years

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Speaker 1: you actually get an opportunity to get out there and.

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Speaker 3: Play of what you.

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Speaker 1: Learn how was it to start playing minutes and trying

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Speaker 1: to put your feet in the, ground and it was.

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Speaker 2: Fun it was it was. Great. UH i put the work,

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Speaker 2: in you, know off, SEASON i would really get to

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Speaker 2: few YEARS i got to play in the summer. LEAGUE

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Speaker 2: i had people Like Tyrone, Corbin xavier. McDaniel they were

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Speaker 2: the young players behind me THAT i got to play,

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Speaker 2: against and you, know we'd go in the gym and

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Speaker 2: we'd have some. Battles SO i got to work with

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Speaker 2: them and learn from. THEM i felt That indiana was

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Speaker 2: going to be a place THAT i could get. BETTER

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Speaker 2: i got a chance to start my first, year and

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Speaker 2: that was good for. ME i had never started in THE,

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Speaker 2: nba so it was good AND i got a chance

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Speaker 2: to kind, of you, know learn the lay of the.

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Speaker 2: Land i'd got an opportunity learning From Junior bridgeman And

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Speaker 2: Bobby dandridge WHEN i was In, milwaukee some of the

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Speaker 2: two they were two of the best moll forwards around

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Speaker 2: at that. Time so WHEN i got To, INDIANA i

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Speaker 2: got a chance to expound upon the stuff That i'd

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Speaker 5: Them ye second, year you went up to twenty one

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Speaker 5: point nine seven and seven point, seven and.

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Speaker 4: Like how was that to?

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Speaker 5: Feel like we all know we both were in a

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Speaker 5: position to our first couple of years we didn't get to,

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Speaker 5: Play but then once you started to get out, There,

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Speaker 5: like how did your confidence go once you, know saw

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Speaker 5: that you were going number, one get a chance to

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Speaker 5: be out, There but then you saw also that the

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Speaker 5: success was.

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Speaker 4: Coming you, know your game was getting your game.

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Speaker 2: Off it was, fun you, know ONCE i got a

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Speaker 2: chance to, START i enjoyed, that BUT i wanted to

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Speaker 2: do WHAT i needed to do for the team to,

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Speaker 2: win because the next year they traded and Brought Mickey

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Speaker 2: johnson in and they needed scoring off the. Bench show

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Speaker 2: they Made mickey the starter and that came off the

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Speaker 2: bench as the sixth, man and you, know we were

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Speaker 2: more successful.

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Speaker 3: Then getting traded To.

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Speaker 1: Denver you made your First All Star, game and one

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Speaker 1: of the things that you always want to be respected

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Speaker 1: by your pero in this league to show that you're

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Speaker 1: like you're you can play in this league and you

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Speaker 1: won the best players in the. League how was your

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Speaker 1: First All Star game appearance and what it was like

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Speaker 1: when you found out that you made The All star.

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Speaker 4: Team of, COURSE i was. ELATED i was just so

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Speaker 4: excited and over the.

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Speaker 2: Moon and when we got there to play that, GAME

445
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: i don't know IF i got to play that, much

446
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: but just being in the whole atmosphere of you, know

447
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: being out there being considered one of the. Best you,

448
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: know the people were Like Julius irving And Magic, Johnson Larry,

449
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: bird you, know guys like that were on the, squad you,

450
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: know some of the all time. Greats so it was

451
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: it was an honor for, me AND i KNEW i

452
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: had put the work, in SO i felt LIKE i

453
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: was supposed to be.

454
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 5: There what was it like in practice for you, guys

455
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 5: because like me and D, miles we had a chance

456
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 5: to work With keiki vand the way we know he

457
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 5: like The Triple.

458
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 4: Threat got out of the.

459
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 5: World, like what was it like to be in practice

460
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 5: because like we know the history of both of you guys.

461
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: Putting up forties and fifties and.

462
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 5: Stuff, like what was it like when you first got

463
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 5: there you got a chance to start practicing With Key

464
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 5: Ky vanderway And David thompson And Dan, Issel but like

465
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 5: Mainly Key ky in That Triple, threat what was did

466
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 5: he help you with the mid range? Game just being

467
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 5: in there going against him and seeing some of the

468
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 5: things he was.

469
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: Doing What kiki did, was you, know we were both

470
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: the same, size and he ended up playing the power

471
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: forward if there was a power, forward AND i was

472
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: a lot more, slight so he took the brunt of

473
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: the of the. Defense but he also had the slower,

474
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: player the bigger slow. Player, yeah and as you, know

475
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: his first step was just off the.

476
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 4: Chain he would he would rock him.

477
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: Going not only would he shoot a jump, chot he

478
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: would dunk on him left alright. Hand you, KNOW i

479
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: always felt That kiki didn't get what he deserved is

480
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: for his, accolades because he was a great. Player if

481
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: you backed off of, him he was gonna hit that jump.

482
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: Shot you got up on, him he was gonna triple

483
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: threat you and go around, you and he could. Rebound

484
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: he had really big. Hands, Yeah so he was really

485
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: good AND i enjoyed playing with. Him that's WHY i

486
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: think when we, played both of us played the small

487
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 2: forward And dan this was the.

488
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: Middle people have difficult time guarding us every.

489
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: Night LIKE i was, saying my uncle used to always

490
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: rave about, you and to the point that he used to,

491
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: say you was the greatest score in the.

492
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: Eighties he was the best score in the.

493
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: Eighties and it made me do my homework Because i'm

494
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: big on history and big on trying to know who

495
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: came before me SO i can move. FORWARD i was

496
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: always big on. History but you're one of the most

497
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: underrated guys. Ever you, know in the, eighties they say

498
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: a lot of names that was more.

499
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: Popular you, know The, iceman's the Doctor, j's the you,

500
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 3: know you can name so.

501
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: Many do you feel like you're one of the most

502
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: underrated players ever IN nba?

503
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 4: HISTORY i, KNOW i. Am you, KNOW i.

504
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: Know what my work, is AND i KNOW i look

505
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: at my body of work AND i put it up against,

506
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: anybody and for, me it was an insult not to

507
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: be one of the top fifty. Players and THEN i, said,

508
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: okay well maybe the top seventy. Five and it's still

509
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: not make it at the top seventy.

510
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: Five you, know it was an. Insult BUT i know

511
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 4: that people that know the.

512
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: Game know my, work AND i AM i can be

513
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: okay with.

514
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 4: IT i know WHAT i.

515
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: Did, yeah my uncle used to make me study the

516
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: game when it came to you and what you did

517
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: on the block and what you did in the mirror,

518
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: range especially me being a Small. FORD i, know we

519
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: grew up In, illinois so you, know we all wanted

520
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: to be Like, mike but my game kind of veeried

521
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: a little bit towards pipping a little more than Than

522
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: Michael jordan's when you scored fifty.

523
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: Four tell us about that night fifty.

524
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: Four, well And i'm sure both of you all have

525
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: probably had that night, too where.

526
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 4: Everything just was.

527
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: Going, yeah you, Know i've had a few games like,

528
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: that but you, know that, night it was just like

529
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: ALL i had to do was just throw it up

530
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: there and it was going to go in the.

531
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 4: Basket but it was a.

532
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: Feeling it's a feeling that you have that you can't

533
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: describe to anybody else.

534
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 4: Exactly you know what it.

535
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: Is it's that, feeling and people who've had that feeling

536
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: they know What too're just in, it just in.

537
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: It people ask you what she ate or whatever's.

538
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 5: Going, yeah Liked mile said about you being, underrated and

539
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 5: you spoke on it.

540
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 4: Too like we Had James burthy on here on.

541
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 5: The, show and when we asked him who was the

542
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 5: first person to bust his, ass your.

543
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 4: Name was the first name out of his.

544
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 5: Mouth just you know What i'm, saying just about how

545
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 5: you was able, to you, know shoot the, ball and

546
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 5: like how you said you worked on being able to

547
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: shoot and get your shot. Off he was like he

548
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 5: was able to get to the. Spots he had a

549
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 5: great triple threat. Game being able to just do what

550
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 5: he wanted with me was like he had my head,

551
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 5: spinning you. Know he being A North carolina, guy he

552
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 5: was somebody that you, know knew who you, were but

553
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: he was, like, yeah no. Doubt he was the one

554
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: who gave me the first buckets WHEN i got in the.

555
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 5: League WHO i really couldn't do nothing.

556
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 6: With, yeah we had we had some classic matchup Jeans

557
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 6: worthy AND, I but during my, ERA i had classic

558
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 6: matchup with a lot of guys as you don't, know

559
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 6: the small forward.

560
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: In the two guard.

561
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: Position, yeah then were the, spots and every now and

562
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: then you get a big guy in the. Middle BUT

563
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: i mean every, night if it Wasn't Larry, bird it

564
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: Was Bernard king Or Marcus, Johnson.

565
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: Kelly. TREPUKA i mean it was every, night it was.

566
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: Somebody different who were probably gonna give you twenty or

567
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: thirty that. Night but it wasn't just at that spot

568
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: and the two, guards you know that The drexlers and

569
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: and some of the other guys That Eddie. Johnson you,

570
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: know every night it was. Somebody so you my, era

571
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 2: my era of, BASKETBALL i feel like was probably one

572
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: of the most exciting periods for basketball.

573
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 5: History who are you just named a lot of guys

574
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: like who was some of those matchup that you just

575
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 5: like enjoyed going. Against well you knew whether it's because

576
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 5: like you had the advantage or you knew it was

577
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 5: gonna be a tough, Night like what was just some

578
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 5: of the guys that you look for at to going

579
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 5: against for whatever.

580
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: Reasons, WELL i enjoyed playing every, night you, KNOW i

581
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: tell you the NIGHTS i didn't enjoy WHEN i had

582
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: to play somebody Like Bernard king.

583
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: Or Dennis. Rodman, yeah, yeah you know those were the true.

584
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Guys like, Offensively Bernard king was just a little beast

585
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: because he was like a thundering herd coming down on the.

586
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: Wing and Then Dennis, RODMAN i WAS i was a.

587
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: RUNNER i would run out run everybody and get to my.

588
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: SPOT i couldn't Lose Dennis. Rodney he was almost it

589
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: was like a disease. Alone but it was all over,

590
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: me and you, KNOW i had to figure out a

591
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: way to score AND i didn't have, to you, know

592
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: guard him that.

593
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 4: Much on our.

594
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: Offense but you, know he was looking to block my.

595
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Shot he was getting, rebounds he was getting put. Backs

596
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: he was just a great, player.

597
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Just pesky and. Uh in eighty, five y'all went to

598
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: The Western Conference. Finals did you feel like y'all could

599
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: have won a championship with that?

600
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: TEAM i felt like we could. Have you, know we

601
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: played in The lakers that year in The Western Conference.

602
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: Finals we'd go into The Great Western form and they

603
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: just killed us the first. Game second, game we beat.

604
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: Them you, Know that's that's how it happens in the.

605
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: Playoffs sometimes you get beat. Back second, game the other

606
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: team comes. Back we go back To. Denver it was

607
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: two two one one. Back then we go back To

608
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: denver and in the first, Quarter i'm going. Up you

609
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: know how you get, there your, hands your your fingers

610
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: taped for that ligament right there when you have that

611
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: that damage There AND i had.

612
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: Both of my thumbs taped and go for a.

613
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: Rebound kareem gets the rebound and he comes down and

614
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: he does this AND i had my hands up and

615
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: his elbow hit me right, here AND i broke my.

616
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: Thumb so that was the end of our. Playoffs you.

617
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: The franchised all time lead to score an average and

618
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 5: twenty five point. Nine like if that's something like when

619
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 5: you got done that you think will still be surviving

620
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: this LONG i did.

621
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: NOT i did, not and it won't survive much. Longer,

622
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 4: Yeah junker making a.

623
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: Sense he's got my assists all time assists, record and

624
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: you know he's slowly Getting it'll be the all time leading,

625
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: scorer no doubt about.

626
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: It when you look at, him what do you think

627
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: A jokers? Game how much?

628
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 5: Appreciation because he's kind of like a throwback in this

629
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 5: league where you got all of this stuff going. On

630
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 5: he kind of the big man who's STILL i, mean

631
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 5: even though it's not back to the basketball it used to,

632
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 5: be he's still more retro than a lot of the,

633
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: guys these young.

634
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: Guys now he's, retro but he's also.

635
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: He's also forging his own style in his own game

636
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: to where other players are gonna. Have you, know, guys

637
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: when when when? Safe when When michael was, playing guys

638
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: wanted to be Like. Mike they wanted to dump and

639
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: shoot jump. Shots and do all the Things mike, Did

640
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: and they're probably guys that aren't as agile or. Quick

641
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: they see The joker and, SAY i.

642
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: Want to be like The.

643
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Joker, yeah he uses his body so. Well he's got

644
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 2: all kinds of little. Shots he seized the floor so.

645
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: Well it's almost like he's got eyes in the back

646
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: of his. Head but if you notice when he's playing

647
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: how well he uses the girth of his. Body he'll

648
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: get you down low and he'll throw a little hook

649
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: shot from, here but his wide body has got you over,

650
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: here so you're not going to get to the block.

651
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: The shot that's.

652
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: Right and then when he's, outside he's he's able to

653
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: drive to the basket and back you down and shoot

654
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: the three or whatever he needs to. Do but you,

655
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: know if you leave, him if you come, doubling he's

656
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: gonna find your. Man so he's a throwback and a new.

657
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: Age how was it when you when they won a,

658
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: championship When denver won a? Championship, finally how did you

659
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: feel about?

660
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: THAT i felt great about. It you, know it was

661
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: something that we wanted to see the team do as a.

662
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: Franchise it's like we could never get. There, yeah and you,

663
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: know Coach malone and his, guys they did a great

664
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: job of bringing it all together and you.

665
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: Know getting.

666
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: It you, know it's all the little. Pieces you look

667
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: at the pieces that they. Had they had the right.

668
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: Pieces it wasn't Just joker or it Was Maria, acp

669
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: it Was. Gordon you, know they all had a different,

670
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: part a different role to, play and they played their

671
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: role as.

672
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Well they definitely did thirty one franchise, records all time.

673
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Records when you, retired did you you feel.

674
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: All work that you put in to have thirty?

675
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: One?

676
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: Franchever did you feel all the work once you? Retired

677
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: like man thirty?

678
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: One like that's.

679
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: Unheard ONCE i retired AND i was done with the,

680
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: GAME i didn't really think about it as. Much AND

681
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: i MEAN i didn't know all the different little things that.

682
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: They kept tabs, on.

683
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: RIGHT i, MEAN i knew THAT i was a scorer

684
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: and a rebounder and sometimes shot, blocker BUT i WAS

685
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: i prided myself more.

686
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 4: On my passing, game you, know being able to pass the.

687
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: Ball how did it feel when you got to call

688
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: that they were going to retire In? Jersey out there In?

689
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 5: Denver the number two was going up to the. Rafters

690
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 5: that was an awesome. Feeling you, know it's. Everlasting it's

691
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 5: no one.

692
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: Unless they changed the, rules that number two will be

693
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: there in the rafters for.

694
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: Whatever. Yeah and you KNOW i changed my number from.

695
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: COLLEGE i was twenty two in. College.

696
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 5: Yeah were you, aware like so when we came, out,

697
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 5: right when we came to league two thousand and early two,

698
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 5: thousands it.

699
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: Was like the huge bust of the retro.

700
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 5: Jerseys were you aware that your jersey was one of

701
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 5: the dopest and like one.

702
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 4: Of the most elite throwback jerseys.

703
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 5: That that was going, around that that blue number two

704
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 5: with the, checker you, know The Denver, like were you

705
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 5: aware like how popular that jersey became during the retro.

706
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 4: Time it was definitely one of the top. Jerseys, yeah you,

707
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: KNOW i didn't.

708
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: KNOW i didn't understand what that meant until the licensing.

709
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 4: Checks, tey there you.

710
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: Go, YEAH i definitely had your, jersey, man that was

711
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: like one of the dopest jersey with with the colors on, it,

712
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: uh the white one and the blue, one like was

713
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: just just crazy out. Here when the retros start hitting

714
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: in early you, know.

715
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: You know who who really made it?

716
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: Popular alan Iverson. Y, yep he came To denver and

717
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: he wore that he kept that jersey did it was,

718
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: retired but he would you, know he liked that.

719
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 5: Jersey so he was wearing the. Redro he was the

720
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 5: he was the you, know he was wearing the Red

721
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 5: HROs like we. Was he was one of the ones

722
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 5: we try to just.

723
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: Like most, definitely most, DEFINITELY i, Know, jen your jersey.

724
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Retired but how was your family like you see in your,

725
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: family witness like your your history of what you accomplished

726
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: at that, Moment, well.

727
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: It was it was early in my.

728
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: Career my mom got to witness me as a as

729
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: a college player and SOME nba player SOME nba time

730
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: and you, know to make her. Proud it was just

731
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: an awesome feeling for. Me and to be able to

732
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: and you don't, know you guys probably can relate to

733
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: wanting to bring your fan uh and helped them as

734
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: much as you. Can and being able to do something

735
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: for my mom that made her feel special was probably

736
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: the highlight of my.

737
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: Career second and, NONE i know.

738
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: That, yeah getting inducted to The Basketball hall Of FAME

739
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: us as, players everybody want to get inducted and want

740
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: to get that jacket and want to get that. Statue

741
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: that's like the icing on the, Cakes like it's like

742
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: putting a cherry on top it.

743
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: Is to get that phone.

744
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: Call WHAT i don't know if it was a phone

745
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: call explaining us how did you find out that you

746
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: was you made The hall Of?

747
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: Fame it was a phone, call.

748
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: OKAY i got a phone call from the at that,

749
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: time whoever the head of The hall Of fame, was

750
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: and said THAT i had been. Selected and you, know

751
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: it was it was hard for me to, believe you, know.

752
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: To be in the same.

753
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 2: Space for The Wilt chamberlains And Bill russell's And reservings

754
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 2: and all those great basketball players that came before.

755
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: Me he was just an honor and awesome feeling for.

756
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 4: Me it's a QUESTION i like to.

757
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: Ask SO i know it's you, know a little different

758
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 5: time as far as the, money but like you still

759
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 5: when you made the pro you ran into more money

760
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 5: than you had ever seen at that.

761
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: Point oh, man that that that fifty thousand was a lot.

762
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 5: Of money that you, Know so this is WHAT i

763
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 5: want to know with that fifty, THOUSANDS i don't want to.

764
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 5: Know you, know everybody take care of their mom or they.

765
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 5: FAMILY i want to know what did Og Alix english

766
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 5: do with when you got that money just to treat

767
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 5: yourself and they got to be nothing, like what was

768
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 5: the craziest thing you did to treat yourself when you

769
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 5: got the?

770
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: BAG i bought me A volkswagen van Man, o, man

771
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 4: tell me about the, man tell me about.

772
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: IT i had A volkswagen camper that Would it was

773
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: orange and and you, know you could drive it and

774
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: you could use it as an apartment if you went.

775
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 5: Out, okay so you had. Them they had the sleeper

776
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: in and, everything.

777
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 4: And the sleeper in. It that was for. Me that

778
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 4: was my.

779
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: Highlight and then WHEN i made the team the second,

780
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: YEAR i got a chance to trade in and get

781
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: me a new.

782
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 4: CAR i.

783
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: THOUGHT i was, thinking you're finna say a seventy Six

784
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: Grandville pontiac.

785
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: Or a SEVENTIES i could.

786
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: Afford you gotta start, one you gotta bench, one you

787
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: gotta trade, one and you gotta cut.

788
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 4: One.

789
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: Dang so it's four guys you gotta start bench trade

790
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: to CUT. U the first guy Is Julius, irvin DOCTOR.

791
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: J the second guy Is George Gervin. Iceman the third

792
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: guys but No. King the fourth guy Is Larry. Bird

793
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: oh all small? Fourwards who would you? Start who would you?

794
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: Bench who would you? Trade who would you just?

795
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: Them? One? Yeah if you only pick, one the only pick?

796
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 4: One Probably Larry.

797
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: Bird Larry, bird.

798
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: Very, Legend larry.

799
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 3: Legend they don't Give larry enough.

800
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: Credit no. MORE i don't know What larry. Was the

801
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 4: one True larry was?

802
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: True so you h you played With, milwaukee you played

803
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: with The, pacers you played With. Denver you had a

804
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: lot of teammates over your. Career if you had to

805
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: pick four teammates that you played with to make your ultimate,

806
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: five all of them in their, prime all of them

807
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: at their best with, you who would make your ultimate five?

808
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: Roster any of your teammates from.

809
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: The Faver, Oh Kicky vanderway, okay and Probably Dan. Isle,

810
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: okay that's three and. More tr?

811
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: Done nice five right there?

812
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 4: Now?

813
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah nice. Five let me ask you about the today's.

814
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: Game you've seen the game from the the seventies and

815
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: how it, evolved how the rules, change how different players.

816
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: Play you might, feel like, me the traveling and the

817
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: carrying is getting out of. Hand but outside of, that

818
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: how do you feel about today's? Game and where THE

819
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 1: nba has got.

820
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: TO i, think, uh you, know for a, MINUTE i was,

821
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: concerned But i've seen some of the young talent now

822
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: And i'm not as concerned as A there's.

823
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: A nice bevy of young talent that's come into the.

824
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 4: League the only Thing i've.

825
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: Been not disappointed, with BUT i would like to see

826
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: him do less of his shoot to three.

827
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: Pointer always be looking for the three point.

828
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: Shot me, too raise me.

829
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: Too maybe that's Because i'm a mid range kind of,

830
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: guy BUT i think the beauty of the game is

831
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: between the three point line in the.

832
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: Basket and you, know.

833
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: There are some guys that shoot shoot the three and

834
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful, shot BUT i think they rely on

835
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: it too much.

836
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: Now AND i guess that's the. Analytics that's all we

837
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: didn't have to deal.

838
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 5: With tell me, this you being, like when you look

839
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: at a guy Like Kevin, durant how much do you

840
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 5: appreciate his. Game he's a guy who fully embraces the

841
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 5: mid range and like he's like a.

842
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: Hooper he's a.

843
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 5: Purist he wants to be a perfect, player like a

844
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 5: fifty forty ninety. Guy he wants to take be as

845
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 5: efficient as. Possible how you feel about his game and

846
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 5: where he's been able to evolve.

847
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: Too he's one of my favorite. PLAYERS i like what

848
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: he does on the.

849
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: Floor you, know he didn't have to make a big you,

850
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: know hullabaloo about making a jump.

851
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: Shot he shoots the shot and he goes back down

852
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: the court and played.

853
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: Defense, yeah you, know he's mid, range like you, say

854
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: but he also comes through with big. Moments you, KNOW

855
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: i remember him being in The Olympic games and.

856
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 4: Dot Kevin. Durant who knows where we would have. Gone, yeah,

857
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: YEAH i like his.

858
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: Game, yeah you've seen The All star game format this

859
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: year and you played in the Traditional All star game. Format,

860
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: yes what do you think is the problem with The

861
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: All Star?

862
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: Game the problem is when we played in the game was,

863
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: like you, know we're. Playing we played with pride because

864
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: we didn't want to, lose but we also played because.

865
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 4: We weren't making that much.

866
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: Money you, know we got about five thousand dollars for

867
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: winning or ten thousand for, winning five thousand if you.

868
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: Lost, yeah and you know that was that was a

869
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: part of.

870
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: It but it was more about the pride of the,

871
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 2: game and it was a real. Game it wasn't no.

872
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: Gimmicks it was, Like, okay we are The, east you

873
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: are The. West let's see who's got the. Toughest and

874
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: we came out and we.

875
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 5: Hooped, listen that's the WAY i think it should. Be just, like,

876
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 5: hey we want to, play we want to Be we

877
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 5: want to show y'all better than you because it's a

878
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 5: game to be. Played if it's a game to be,

879
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 5: played we're gonna show y'all, up and y'all ain't gonna

880
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 5: show us. Up it's like going back to the, playground you.

881
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 5: Know it's, Like, okay let's see what you. Got so

882
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 5: we like you. OGEE i, MEAN i like to say

883
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 5: appreciated because you clearly open these doors for. Us because

884
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: me and D miles have had the opportunity to be

885
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 5: in a couple of movies as little extras. Actives, great

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Speaker 5: so tell us about your experience getting to be in

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Speaker 5: some of the. Movies you Was the And eddie With

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Speaker 5: Whoopee Goldberg Amazing. Great it's just some of the things

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Speaker 5: that you got a chance to.

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Speaker 4: Do for, me.

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00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: Playing The Amazing grace was probably one of the highlights

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Speaker 2: of my career BECAUSE i felt like the character was.

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Speaker 4: Me, yeah it.

894
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Speaker 2: Was it was a player that decided to give up

895
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: basketball to make the world better and that's what he.

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Speaker 4: Did AND i enjoyed that.

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Speaker 2: CHARACTER i enjoyed you, Know Jamie Lee curtis And Greg

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Speaker 2: RePEc and all the people that worked with.

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Speaker 4: Me it was a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Fun, yeah it's some great basketball players come out Of South.

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00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: Carolina can you speak on some of the players like the,

902
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Speaker 1: kg's The Ray, allen's The jermaine, O'Neills John, morant like

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Speaker 1: these guys who you know come after You Gg, jackson

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Speaker 1: these guys who come after The, midican a lot of

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00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: guys to keep the tradition going and to Keep South

906
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Speaker 1: carolina real of been in the league and and and

907
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Speaker 1: repping your.

908
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Speaker 3: State uh's speak on some of them guys for you.

909
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: Know it's it's great to see some of the players

910
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: that have come out of the state that and then

911
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: they weren't just, players they were very good, players you,

912
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: Know xavier, McDaniel jermaine, O'Neill Kevin, garnett Now Ray allen

913
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 2: And John, morant and then you've Got Tyrone.

914
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Speaker 4: Corbin. Yeah uh And middleton who.

915
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Speaker 2: Plays with played with The milwaukee and a lot of

916
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 2: other people THAT i don't even can't even name that's

917
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Speaker 2: come out of the, State Larry.

918
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Speaker 4: Nance it's been just a whole bunch of.

919
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: Guys and then now we've got women players that are

920
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Speaker 2: just as Except.

921
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah speaking of, women let's talk about like how

922
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: great of a thing that don.

923
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 3: Is doing with the women's game.

924
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Speaker 1: Cocks, no nothing against the, men but the women game,

925
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Speaker 1: cocks and how she's bringing so much energy to the university.

926
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 4: And the state and the. State you know What i'm.

927
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Speaker 4: Saying she.

928
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: Is she's a one of a, kind exceptional. Coach she

929
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: doesn't been to rhetoric from the. Outside, yeah he. Coaches

930
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: she's been here a lot of, years and young ladies

931
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Speaker 2: like to play for you. Know She she's benefited from

932
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Speaker 2: the talent in the state as well with Our Asian

933
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Speaker 2: Asian wilson and now you have my laser field full

934
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Speaker 2: while a And Jorce edwards who are on the team,

935
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Speaker 2: now they are.

936
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Speaker 4: Exceptional they're going to be exceptional players in the league as. Well.

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00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah But dawn is the is the chef that makes

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Speaker 2: the dish, work make it.

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Speaker 4: Good, yeah that's, dope that's. Dope, no, man we appreciate,

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Speaker 4: you olg. Man this was. Awesome you know What i'm.

941
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 5: Saying we all he's enjoy getting to get with you,

942
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 5: guys the ogs like like he, said you the, guys our,

943
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 5: uncles our pops in and our OG's talk. About and

944
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 5: so whenever we really get to get, down we feel

945
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Speaker 5: like we're getting the history lesson of the.

946
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: Game. Man so we.

947
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 5: Really appreciate you taking out the time and coming on

948
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Speaker 5: and chopping.

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Speaker 4: It up with.

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Speaker 5: It so g, everybody this is Being Alex, english one

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Speaker 5: of the best players in NB a.

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Speaker 2: History thank, you and just to say you, GUYS i

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00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 2: got a chance to watch you all play as, well

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Speaker 2: AND i enjoyed watching you, all so thank.

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Speaker 4: You you will be og like?

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Speaker 3: Me they doing? Them, now how you gonna how you

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Speaker 3: get used to?

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Speaker 4: It BECAUSE i can't get used to? It what?

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Speaker 2: Else, nothing but it's just take it and enjoy it

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00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: and love it and embrace, it and uh just teach

961
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: them the right way to do.

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Speaker 4: It that's, right and thank? You thanks. Again all, right, guys.

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