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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where it's the end of an era.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here with my friend Jordan Rodrigue in

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Speaker 1: the Chris Westling podcast studio. Ready to talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot of coaching news from around the league and looking

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Speaker 1: at some of the openings and vacancies. But yes, this

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Speaker 1: is the day where we talk about Mike Tomlin stepping

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Speaker 1: down after nineteen seasons as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: I have a big question for you. What were you

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Speaker 1: doing in two thousand and six when Mike Tomlin took

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Speaker 1: over that job? Oh my god, he was thirty four

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Speaker 1: years old. I'm going to give you some time by

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Speaker 1: doing some talking. You know, math is not my for take. Greg,

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Speaker 1: I think I was like twelve, Okay, I think, so

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Speaker 1: you're just going to sixth grade or something. Yeah, maybe fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was a lot of changes in the

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Speaker 2: in one's body happened.

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Speaker 1: WHOA, Okay, we're just talking about coaching here, Jordan, No,

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Speaker 1: that's insane to think that. Yeah, you're about the age

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Speaker 1: of my daughter. You know, I was over at road

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Speaker 1: a world covering the NFL at the time, and I

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Speaker 1: remember Mike Tomlin maybe NBC had just bought us. Was

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Speaker 1: a relatively unknown assistant. Relatively, I would say he had

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Speaker 1: some buzz as like a position coach with Tony Dungee

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Speaker 1: back with the Bucks. And then he did have one

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Speaker 1: year as a defensive coordinator under Brad Childress, but Brad

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Speaker 1: Childress was a defensive play caller and defensive coach, so

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Speaker 1: sometimes you don't get a lot of attention. And it

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Speaker 1: was a surprise higher and it went fantastic. He wins

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl what in his second season? He gets

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Speaker 1: back there early on too. It's been a minute, and

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Speaker 1: I guess we aren't shocked, Jordan, because we've been talking

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Speaker 1: about this for the last month plus as a possibility,

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Speaker 1: and yet when you see the news, it still does

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Speaker 1: feel like a shock, even though we literally were talking

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Speaker 1: last night on the Monday Night Show that this could

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Speaker 1: be it. It's a sea change. It's in the end

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Speaker 1: of an era.

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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, Greg, you'll never forget kind of the

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Speaker 2: day that this changed. He is an institution in football,

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Speaker 2: He is an institution in the NFL. He was the

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Speaker 2: picture of consistency, whether that was a good thing or

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Speaker 2: whether it eventually became a negative for him as well,

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Speaker 2: but when you talk to any coach who's coming into

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Speaker 2: for years at this point, and there are very few

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Speaker 2: with the tenure now that you know Mike Tomlin had

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Speaker 2: and that John Harbaugh before him had as well.

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Speaker 1: All of it was just awe.

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Speaker 2: If only we can have a career like the one

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Speaker 2: that Mike Tomlin had, if only we could establish a

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Speaker 2: legacy like the one that he established. That is the

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Speaker 2: sentiment pouring out of these buildings right now. A lot

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Speaker 2: of respect for that guy.

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Speaker 1: And the immediate thought, you know, for this what's going

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Speaker 1: to be next for the Steelers in Tomlin. In terms

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Speaker 1: of Tomlin, Ian Rappaport and various inside him specifically talked

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Speaker 1: about the Fox job could be open, like that Jimmy

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Speaker 1: you know, at halftime, instead of five or a week

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Speaker 1: and you should, you should, especially if it's Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: that that might that's been one that has kind of

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Speaker 1: been put out there. Sounds to me like maybe that's

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Speaker 1: the one Mike Tomlin wants. That TV might be an

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Speaker 1: idea for him, similar to Sean Payton a few years back.

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Speaker 1: Remember he spent a year with the Fox crew and

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Speaker 1: then he jumped right back and you never know. He's

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Speaker 1: He's fifty three years old, so a relatively young man

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Speaker 1: for you know, head coaching. But I remember when Bill

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Speaker 1: Kauer lost his job with the Steelers, the expectation was

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Speaker 1: he was always going to return. He was always rumored

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Speaker 1: for all these different head coaching jobs in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: A and coachman. He just never did because he didn't

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Speaker 1: need the money, and he realized, like, this is nice.

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Speaker 1: So you never know, what do you think? What does

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Speaker 1: your gut tell you about that? The few of Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: I think TV would be great for him. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he stays away for long. That's just me personally.

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Speaker 2: I remember a story, Greg. I was lucky a couple

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Speaker 2: wall shadowing scouts at the Senior Bowl. And there's this

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Speaker 2: room in the convention center in Mobile, Alabama, and it

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Speaker 2: they do what they call the car wash. It's these

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Speaker 2: fifteen minute pieces of interviews that really don't tell you much,

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Speaker 2: are very much a high draft pick, unless they're coaching

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Speaker 2: in it, which means their team was really bad. No

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Speaker 2: coach really wants to be there. Mike Tomlin wanted to

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Speaker 2: be there. Mike Tomlin would love to visit with everybody.

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Speaker 2: He loved connecting with the scouts. I remember he would

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Speaker 2: around him. This is a man who loves ball. He

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Speaker 2: loves ball, he loves the process of football. And that's

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Speaker 2: why I think, take a break, yes, survey the landscape,

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Speaker 2: understand the ways that the league has changed. You probably

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Speaker 2: haven't had time to do so in many, many years.

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Speaker 2: And then I do think that he's going to be

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Speaker 2: one of the most coveted coaching hires in this next cycle.

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Speaker 1: I almost feel bad for John Harbor because Harbo was

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Speaker 1: only there one less year than Tomlin. Yeah, Tomlin does

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Speaker 1: feel like a bigger deal. He just felt like such

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Speaker 1: an institution and as I mentioned, he was an unknown

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Speaker 1: season wins in NFL history. And here's the list of

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Speaker 1: the coaches in front of him, Don Shula, George Hallis.

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Speaker 1: have the stadiums named after them. And then shout out

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Speaker 1: to Marty Schottenheimer at eight underrated. Now one thing Tomlin

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Speaker 1: The fact that he could keep that record of staying

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Speaker 1: that says a lot. But it's interesting to think about

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Speaker 1: the Steelers fans in your life or maybe even in

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Speaker 1: fans chanting fire Tomlin, which sucks. You should feel bad,

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Speaker 1: And I think he was tired of it. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the Rooneyes because this felt inevitable.

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Speaker 2: I think the Rooneys seem to so far as news

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Speaker 2: being framed very much as his decision and a mutual

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Speaker 2: the rest of the season. You know, Aaron Rodgers struggled

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Speaker 2: It took him so long to have that, And this

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Speaker 2: the irony of this. It can put such a strain

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Speaker 2: And then they finally get a quarterback who is a veteran,

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Speaker 2: who is the best case scenario in a situation where

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Speaker 2: they tried and failed to get other names and all

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Speaker 2: of that. How straining that is to go through as

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Speaker 1: And their defense was a big part of the problem

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Speaker 1: mentioned Art Rooney the statement that the Steelers released. He

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Speaker 1: decided to step down as our head coach. Extremely grateful

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Speaker 1: to Mike for all the hard work, dedication. Hard for

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Speaker 1: me to put into words, and I'm skipping a couple

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Speaker 1: be no eight in eight year. I'm sorry it wasn't

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Speaker 1: of winning season. But just a legend and Tomlin reportedly

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Speaker 1: were really careful not to ask Tomlin really about what

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Speaker 1: in advance this season, and it didn't happen. So I

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Speaker 1: catalyst am I right, I'm just joking. Do you think

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Speaker 1: this is a good job. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: great job.

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Speaker 2: think first of all, that they're headed for a rebuild.

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Speaker 2: I think that Mike Tomlin had a lot to say

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Speaker 2: in how many of those defensive players that.

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Speaker 1: They kept intact, that they paid, that they kept.

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Speaker 2: On the roster that ended up being a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a drain on the team in some ways and

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Speaker 2: played well near the end there, but overall, really really

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Speaker 2: top heavy, older roster that you need to move at

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Speaker 2: least try to recoup some of the value from it.

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Speaker 2: So if you decide as a front office, and I

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Speaker 2: do believe that the front office now will obviously take

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Speaker 1: Jordan is long, girthy, it's big. Let's start with the

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Speaker 1: moving forward. The Eagles were very careful and how they

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Speaker 1: worded it, because there's a chance Patullo will keep a

435
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Speaker 1: job within the organization and the building somewhere. He's been

436
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Speaker 1: close with Nick Sirianni for a long time, going back

437
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Speaker 1: to Indianapos and everything, but he is out, and Nick

438
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Speaker 1: Sirianni said that he thought Patulo is a good man,

439
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Speaker 1: a good coach, but they needed to make a change. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What was interesting was players were very defensive of him

441
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Speaker 2: as well, per the reports coming out of Philadelphia after

442
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Speaker 2: their playoff loss, talking about how this was a player issue,

443
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Speaker 2: not necessarily coach. Now, I could say, you see them

444
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Speaker 2: run the exact same four plays through the entire second

445
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Speaker 2: half and tell you that it's a little bit of a.

446
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Speaker 1: Coaching issue as well.

447
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Speaker 2: And all of this to say is with every one

448
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Speaker 2: of these adjustments or changes at offensive coordinator, Mike McDaniel's

449
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 2: bag price goes up and up end up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is interviewing with five different head coaching jobs

451
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Speaker 1: and then he'll be maybe at the top of the

452
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Speaker 1: list for multiple like other good oc jobs like Detroit

453
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Speaker 1: is another one.

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Speaker 2: You imagine Saquon Barkley in this offensive line with a

455
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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel with some of the stuff he was doing

456
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Speaker 2: with that Dolphins run game at the end of the season,

457
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Speaker 2: Like you're kidding he.

458
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Speaker 1: He's so different than Sirianni that I don't know. This

459
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Speaker 1: is gonna be the.

460
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Speaker 2: Fifth think about this though, Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan

461
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Speaker 2: made it work for a decade plus.

462
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Speaker 1: Yes, and this is similar. This is a similar in

463
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Speaker 1: terms of offensive philosophy. They feel like, you know, they're

464
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Speaker 1: ultimately grew up in the same tree. It's Kyle's tree,

465
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Speaker 1: so of course he did. But yeah, I it's I

466
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Speaker 1: think it's a it's a very good job because of

467
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Speaker 1: the talent, and yet it's a it's a difficult job

468
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Speaker 1: because you can just look at the history. You're either

469
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Speaker 1: getting a head coaching job from it, which has happened twice,

470
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Speaker 1: or you're getting fired, which has now happened twice or

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Speaker 1: three times. I mean that that's it's a it's a

472
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Speaker 1: indication that Nick Sirianni obviously is not going anywhere. I

473
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Speaker 1: don't think we needed like an official item from the

474
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Speaker 1: Eagles about that, but like I was leaving like a

475
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Speaker 1: five percent chance. Yeah, I just think it really shines

476
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Speaker 1: the light on Sirianni and Jalen Hurts. I was listening

477
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Speaker 1: to Chris Long, who you know, former Eagle, and you know,

478
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Speaker 1: he was pretty direct about it about like to me,

479
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Speaker 1: this is on it's on Hurts, and it's on Sirianni.

480
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Speaker 1: And I think Hurts his limitations I think are fair

481
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Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, he couldn't. He has. He has

482
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Speaker 1: achieved great things in this league and especially in the

483
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but his limitations and maybe Nick Sirianni's limitations

484
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: have shown up, and so they're gonna have to fix that.

485
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Speaker 1: Another limitation that I wasn't expected to talk about was

486
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: the Chargers because they fired Greg Roman, and that's not

487
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Speaker 1: shocking after the playoff exit that they have more shocking

488
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Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if you heard this, Jordan.

489
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Speaker 1: It's official. The film bros have turned against Justin Herbert.

490
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: What They've turned their back on him. It's happening. Everyone

491
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Speaker 1: was like, Yo, you gotta watch the tape, and then

492
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Speaker 1: everyone kind of watched the tape and I went back

493
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Speaker 1: and did this too, and they were kind of like, actually, hurt.

494
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Speaker 1: I don't really think they turning the back forever. But

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Speaker 1: it was a dreadful game by It was terrible. Really,

496
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Speaker 1: it was brutal. Yeah, and I guess when you see

497
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Speaker 1: the amount of open receivers that he turned down in

498
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Speaker 1: that game, then you feel like, Okay, they do need

499
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Speaker 1: a change from Greg Roman. A lot of his way

500
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Speaker 1: of viewing offensive football seems a little outdated. But also

501
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Speaker 1: it's not that different than other stuff that's going on

502
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and that it it's just unfortunate that

503
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Speaker 1: the worst two games of Justin Herbert's career maybe and

504
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Speaker 1: certainly of the last two seasons are his two playoff games.

505
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Speaker 1: That's a tough spot to be that he played his

506
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Speaker 1: very worst in those two games, especially this one, But

507
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Speaker 1: ultimately you know, Jim Harbad decides you got to make

508
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Speaker 1: a change the offensive line coach, and I think that's

509
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Speaker 1: where you can blame Roman the most. He's in charge

510
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: of the offensive line too, and he could never get

511
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Speaker 1: that figured out, like in terms of where the protection

512
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Speaker 1: was going to, like find the blitz and stunts and

513
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So that's kind of a fun job,

514
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Speaker 1: I would think being the coordinator, you're looking at this

515
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: these highlights and thinking it's like it's ugly.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the thing is with Justin Herbert, we're

517
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: just gonna have to do that thing we do with

518
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: really great quarterbacks who haven't won playoff games. And it's

519
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: multiple things are true. We see the potential is there.

520
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: You have to match him with the right person. That's okay.

521
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: You can be a superhero quarterback and still need to

522
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Speaker 2: be matched with the right coordinator and the right scheme.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna really I think way too much of

524
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Speaker 2: my opinion about Justin Herbert based off of this, inclusive

525
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Speaker 2: to him clearly playing through.

526
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Speaker 1: Quite a bit of pain, quite a bit.

527
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Speaker 2: Of harassment upfront, clearly not as much trust as it

528
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Speaker 2: deteriorated over the weeks with his receivers. You saw the

529
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Speaker 2: scheme had a lot of issues where receivers are lining

530
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Speaker 2: up in like the same spot, multiple tire running their

531
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Speaker 2: routes to the same spot, and multiple times like no,

532
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Speaker 2: you're not gonna throw it there if it only takes

533
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Speaker 2: like one to twelfth of a defense or one eleventh

534
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: of a defense to cover three receivers, Like you're just

535
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Speaker 2: not going to be doing that. So I feel like

536
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: this is again multiple things. He has greatness left in Greg,

537
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Speaker 2: get him with the.

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Speaker 1: Right I know. I just I saw, like I didn't

539
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: see this. This is crazy. Yeah, So like talk about

540
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: a turning moment, theo ash had one, and then I

541
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Speaker 1: texted it uh to our friend Ali will be on

542
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: the show tomorrow and asked what he thought, and he

543
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, oh it was bad. He was just

544
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Speaker 1: like it was a it was a brutal Herbert game.

545
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Speaker 1: Now you can make the case I think that the

546
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Speaker 1: culmination of all that this season was started to catch

547
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Speaker 1: up with Herbert at the end. I've always been a defender,

548
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: but it did seem like he got in his head. Yeah,

549
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: in this particular circumstance. And that's difficult because look, I

550
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: had him on my MVP ballot. I think he had

551
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: a ridiculously good regular season considering the circumstances, and I

552
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: always hesitate to like put anything about playoffs regular season,

553
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: like to me, a lot of it seems like chance.

554
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: But maybe after the mistakes that he made last year

555
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, that he got a little in his

556
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Speaker 1: own head, kind of like CJ. Stroud did on Monday Night,

557
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: but in a much different way that he just didn't

558
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: want to make any mistakes which ended up resulting in

559
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: him making the situation much worse. So I'm very curious

560
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: Todd Monkin is out there. He's interviewing for different jobs.

561
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Speaker 1: He's interviewed for the buckso See job. I believe he

562
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: interviewed for the Browns head coaching job. But it's interesting

563
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: to think about John Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh and potentially

564
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: Jesse Minter all fighting not just over Monkin because he'll

565
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: definitely have a job with one of those three, if

566
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: not somewhere else, but over a lot of similar coaching

567
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: tree type of guys. Assuming jesse Minter does have a job,

568
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Speaker 1: which I'm going to just go ahead and assume because

569
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Speaker 1: he has been requested by every single team that has

570
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Speaker 1: a vacancy. That's eight teams, and I bet the steel

571
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: will make it nine.

572
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I can see why. Got to catch

573
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: up with them for a while after a training camp practice,

574
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: and he knew this was coming. He has a vision

575
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Speaker 2: for how he wants to build a team. He comes

576
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: from an infrastructure of team building. He coaches a great defense,

577
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: but he also has connectivity to a lot of other

578
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: pockets and a lot of other people in the league

579
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: that then have intern connectivity with great coaches. He's seen

580
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: what great quarterback play looks like, He's seen what it

581
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: needs to be better. I just think that he's a

582
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: really well rounded candidate. But again, a lot this is

583
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: such a we talked about this before, including Jesse Minter.

584
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: Never done it before at this level, very little actual

585
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: NFL even coordinating experience. So this is a gamble on

586
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: a lot of these candidates, regardless of sort of their

587
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: coaching tree, pedigree.

588
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: Or what have you. Right, he seems like a guy

589
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: that people are impressed with the person and that he's

590
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: gonna do well in the room, and so he'll he'll

591
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: probably get one of these jobs. Who knows Steele like

592
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: he kind of fits the Steelers Bold just a guy

593
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: that a younger guy that you could build around for

594
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: a long time. The Ravens are potentially looking for a

595
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: similar type of head coach. Steve Bushati wasn't expecting to

596
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Speaker 1: put him in the rundown today and then he just

597
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: made it impossible not to more. Steve Bushatti press conference

598
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Speaker 1: is Steve Bushatti, by the way, is the owner of

599
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Speaker 1: the Ravens. And he was asked a great question on Tuesday,

600
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Speaker 1: which was about his kicker, Tyler Loop and the world

601
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: in which Tyler Loop actually made that kick against the

602
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Speaker 1: Steelers a week ago.

603
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Speaker 3: If Tyler Loop makes that field goal, is John Harbass

604
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Speaker 3: still here coaching this team.

605
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Speaker 4: For a week?

606
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Speaker 5: For a week?

607
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Speaker 1: Okay? The reporter was kind of like, oh, I didn't

608
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Speaker 1: expect such a great answer. Wow, it was he was.

609
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: That was to the point, just be honest, like, of course,

610
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: and that's we talked about it when we said, man,

611
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: they have all these candidates lined up and they're talking

612
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: to them like, oh right away. They look like they

613
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: were ready to do this. They had planned to do

614
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: this for a couple of weeks. Now. Bashati did say

615
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: he talked to players after the season was over on

616
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Speaker 1: Monday night, and he termed it like eighty to twenty

617
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: that you know they were making this decision anyways, but

618
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: he talked to Lamar Jackson about, you know, the change

619
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Speaker 1: at head coach.

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Speaker 4: As you all know, you've gotten to know Lamar about

621
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Speaker 4: as well as I have. And Lamar is really really

622
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 4: a non confrontational person. And when I spoke to him

623
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Speaker 4: Monday night, he said, to me, everybody's saying I got

624
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Speaker 4: a problem with Monkin. I don't really have a problem

625
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Speaker 4: with Malkin. I don't know where that comes from. And

626
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: he said, and then I hear, I've got a problem

627
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: with Harbes, and I don't have a problem with Harbes.

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00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: I don't know where that comes from. Uh, we got

629
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Speaker 4: to make changes, probably, but that's that's probably more for you, and.

630
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Speaker 1: E this is a you problem. It is a problem,

631
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: and it's a you problem. I love a press conference

632
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: that we actually learned things from. Yeah, I believe all that,

633
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: but that's also like, how does a non confrontational person

634
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: try to get someone fired? Not that that they're trying,

635
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: but like if they were to think that that was

636
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: a good idea, that would be how it would be done.

637
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: And yet, of course I believe him and Todd Monkin

638
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: has talked about this after the fact too. I don't

639
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that like he had a problem, but

640
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: he probably recognized that it was time. And I the

641
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: biggest news I took from this entire press conference is

642
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: that Bashadi just made it very clear, like this is

643
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: the best job in the league because we have Lamar Jackson. Yeah,

644
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: we are planning to continue to have Lamar Jackson. We

645
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: want to have Lamar Jackson. In fact, Eric Tacosta said

646
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: that he's been texting, you know, Lamar with how each

647
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: head coaching interview has gone. And I think Bashadi might

648
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: have said something like, hey, when they called me up

649
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: to meet from Florida to go meet like who's maybe

650
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: going to be their choice, you know, to meet the

651
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: head coach, Like I want you to get on that

652
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: plane too and go meet him. So I think they're

653
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: making it very clear, not that they're choosing anyone in

654
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: the divorce, but how important Lamar Jackson is to this

655
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: entire process in this organization, Yeah, and maximizing him.

656
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: It's it's just exactly what we talked about with the

657
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: Steelers job. What gives you the biggest edge? Where are

658
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: your competitive advantages over the rest of the league. It's

659
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: a quarterback very quite clearly and bluntly. Where else can

660
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: you develop an advantage to maximize than that competitive advantage,

661
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: you need to have a coach who gives Lamar Jackson

662
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: a greater edge. It's a similar thing we're talking about

663
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: justin Herbert. Just because he can do all the things

664
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it should always fall directly on You have

665
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: to do something insane and incredible and improbable in order

666
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: to get us through this next phase of contention.

667
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: No, it should never be that way ever. And I'll

668
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: be fascinated to see for some reason, because it's the Ravens.

669
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: I was just expecting like these like really exciting names

670
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: or somehow it would be different, and then they you see,

671
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: like the graphic it's like interviewed Matt Naggy, and I'm like,

672
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: oh kay, come on, Ravens, you can do better. But

673
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: then I look at the list. Okay, it's really long.

674
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: Joe Brady, Brian Flores. I think I think it's one

675
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: of only two for Flores, maybe the only one Vance

676
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Joseph Cliff Kingsbury. That was another notes like Clint Kubiak,

677
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, jesse Mian, Matt Naggy, Jim Schwartz. That's interesting.

678
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: He also interviewed for the Browns job, and they want

679
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: to keep him. If they don't get him as head coach,

680
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: maybe as coordinator. Kevin Stefanski would be interesting if he

681
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: moved in state in the same division. Anthony Weaver, and

682
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: then Davis Webb, who is the Broncos quarterbacks coach. One

683
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: thing I think is really important to point out with

684
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: this that's a long list, like twelve thirteen names. They're

685
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: not even meeting in person now. It's not allowed if

686
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: you have a job. Some of them are in person.

687
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that if these coaches don't have jobs.

688
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: If you're unemployed. If you're unemployed, you can go meet

689
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: in person. But many of these coaches are still under

690
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: contract and so they're not in person. So it depends.

691
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: It depends on the coach. But I think that's important

692
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: to note. You can only start meeting in person with

693
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: the employed coaches like jesse Mentter, for instance, starting next week.

694
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: And so they have purposefully kind of slowed down this process,

695
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: which I think is really healthy. If you've and I

696
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: was kind of wondering, I was like, this. This is

697
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: interesting how not that it's gone slow, but now that

698
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: there's nine teams out there, a lot of the same name,

699
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: like it's going to be an interesting game of like chicken,

700
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: of like, well, we better move first, you know what

701
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean. It's but you don't want to move too

702
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: fast because maybe there's other guys out there, like Tomlin

703
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: just in theory became available. Not that I think he's

704
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: going to be looking for a job.

705
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, And I think that's why if you're a

706
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: team that was maybe considered to be somewhat appealing opening

707
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: at the start of all of this carousel, but now

708
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: you are very far down the ladder because two really

709
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: really great infrastructural jobs and the Steelers and the Ravens

710
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: came open, and you know, there's other jobs that maybe

711
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: look appealing because they have a quarterback or because they've

712
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: got the right person in place at GM or whatever.

713
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: And now you're like, oh, shoot, like I might miss

714
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: my number one candidate. He might go somewhere else, or

715
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: I might have to get into a bidding war. That's

716
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: why I think Greg I needed to happen. I need

717
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: a trade to happen.

718
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: That's okay if there's going to be a trade. Who

719
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: else to be well, now Tomlin is another candidate for trade.

720
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: I should have pointed out because he retired or just

721
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: stepped away, they essentially own his contractual rights. It's the

722
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: exact same situation that Sean Payton had a couple of

723
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: years ago, and the Broncos have to give up pretty

724
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: decent compensation to get Sean Payton, which is why, by

725
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: the way I think that he wasn't the number one

726
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: pick for Denver was that was kind of a downside

727
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: to hiring Sean Payton when they had an option to

728
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: possibly hire Demico Ryans or Dan Quinn in that cycle.

729
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: But you don't have to give up any picks for those.

730
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: You'd have to do that for Mike Tomlin. You'd have

731
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: to do that for Matt Lafleur. Is there someone else

732
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm missing?

733
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: I'm going through really quickly in my brain right now.

734
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that I could think of someone who

735
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: would be more a more attractive, potentially.

736
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: Even just at all tradeable.

737
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 2: This could really happen. He might, he could be actually tradable.

738
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: But this got on my radar because now this is

739
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: not going to happen. Let me be clear to the

740
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: listener that this one happened. But it got on my

741
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: radar because last week Sean McVay was joking about and

742
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: he's not joking, but he's joking about how they he

743
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: got some trade some trade calls, like some re questions

744
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: about you know, this is not going to happen. He's

745
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: you know, he'll be the Rams coach until he decides

746
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: he's done coaching. But that got my radar up that

747
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: teams are actually thinking about this in ways where I

748
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: think they should be thinking about this. It's the same

749
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: going into the trade deadline for players on the final

750
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: year of their contract, if they have not been extended

751
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: by the team yet. You should absolutely be thinking about

752
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: this organizationally the same way you think about a star player.

753
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: Because I know it's the players and we agree on that,

754
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: but you know, I love coaching, and this, to me

755
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: is one of the greatest advantages an organization can have

756
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: is finding the right coach. And an executive who's been

757
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: doing that a long time told me once that the

758
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: best decision they ever made was to find the correct

759
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: coach who's been at the organization for a long time,

760
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: because that means they never have to do it again.

761
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of the point, is all of

762
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: this turnover continuity.

763
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: I haven't bought a car in ten years. It's still

764
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: want to deal with the whole problems.

765
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: You and Patrick have the same car and it's a door.

766
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: But the thing that is such an advantage and will

767
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: be over the next two seasons, especially in this league,

768
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: is continuity. It's going to become an advantage and a

769
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: weapon for these teams who have a head start over

770
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: nine teams that are missing a head coach right now.

771
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: You yeah, as you're talking about it, I'm like, if

772
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell hadn't just resigned in Minnesota, he might have

773
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: been an interesting one. There's always some drama with the Vikings.

774
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: There is right now because they don't know if Brian

775
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: Flores is going to be back. In fact, while we're here, yeah,

776
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't even going there pro And we have a

777
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: lot still on this rundown. And I've actually been updated

778
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: to some breaking news that Steven, the friend of general

779
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: manager John spy Tech of the Raiders, who had some

780
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: input that he really wanted John spy Tech at the

781
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: combine to get the quarterback position right. This year is

782
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: actually in the building here already, because you know, I'm

783
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: going to show him around a little bit after words,

784
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe the Raiders will trade for a

785
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: head coach they by the way, John Spytech, if he's

786
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: listening out there, Even though you you really let Steven down. Yeah, John,

787
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: you did what I wanted you to do with to

788
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: get Gino Smith and Stephen. The whole year was like

789
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: Gin's gonna suck. Gino sucks, and you know what, it

790
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: wasn't a great year. I got to admit. Let's talk

791
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: about what the Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell said at

792
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: his press conference today. Asked about the quarterback situation and

793
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy.

794
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 5: But no, I definitely want a competitive situation in that

795
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 5: room because I ultimately think that's what will make not

796
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 5: only are you know, the starter, but the next guy

797
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 5: and the next guy. And we've learned we've got to

798
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: get a lot of guys ready to play, and we've

799
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 5: got to do it with a responsibility of uh being

800
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 5: the best version of our offense. And the quarterback has

801
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 5: a huge role in helping.

802
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: Us do that. They asked this a couple of different ways.

803
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: I believe QUESTI was involved in that press conference too,

804
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: and they just made it very clear that they're open

805
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: at quarterback. Yeah, wonder if Aaron Rodgers would.

806
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: Which it sounds like last offseason just far less open

807
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: about that.

808
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: Fair fair, But now I think they've made it obvious,

809
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: which I found interesting because I didn't know that they

810
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: were necessarily going to handle it that way this offseason.

811
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: But they're kind letting Jjim McCarthy know he's not necessarily

812
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: the Week one starting quarterback. But we'll see. We haven't

813
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: hit the Matt Ryan news. Matt Ryan was hired as

814
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: the team president of the Atlanta Falcons. His qualifications are

815
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: that he once was the quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons

816
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: and he looks good in a suit and no, I'm

817
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: just kidding. Let's listen to Arthur Blank talking about Matt

818
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: Ryan's new role.

819
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 6: We couldn't be happier having that back in the position

820
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 6: that he will he will he is at now, which

821
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 6: is the president football basically that means everything but between

822
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 6: football and grass he is responsible for Helly.

823
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: I kind of love that title. Could someone say that

824
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: about me? I would love that everything between the football

825
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: and grass.

826
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: That's it's a lot. I'm a I'm a little skeptical

827
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: just because you know, what, what qualifications does he really have?

828
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: But in Arthur Blank, you know, sometimes this happens, you

829
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: want to bring back like your old glory. But also,

830
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, Matt Ryan seems like a smart, capable person,

831
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: and I like the fact that, unlike Tom Brady and

832
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 1: Stephen's Raiders, he's not just you know, moonlighting every once

833
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: in a while, like oh yeah, I'll run an NFL

834
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: team as my seventh different job. He quit CBS, like

835
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: this is going to be his main job, and he

836
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: emphasized over and over in this press conference to the

837
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: point where you almost are like, all right, you're protesting

838
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: a little too much that he will not be involved in,

839
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: like the picking of the players and the football decisions.

840
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: That's going to be the GM's job and the coach's job.

841
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: But he is going to be the one ultimately that's

842
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: picking the GM and helping the coach. And he just

843
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: said his job will be to be of service to

844
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: them in whatever way a boss is of service.

845
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: So I talked to someone last week who had previously

846
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: worked in Atlanta for a really long time and was

847
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: there when Matt Ryan was previously there playing as a player.

848
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: And the thing that this person said was that for

849
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: however mysterious this job and its description and its actual

850
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: tangible role is the one thing that can be assured

851
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: about Matt Ryan is that he is nobs and he

852
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: is not afraid to speak up, which that person said

853
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: has been a problem in Atlanta for a long time,

854
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: and so to call out things that need to be

855
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: changed to make fixes or to seek problem solving in

856
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: ways that are maybe a little bit more direct, I

857
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: think that that could be a benefit, especially if it's

858
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 2: somebody with the gravitas of the greatest quarterback, really the

859
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: greatest quarterbacks and franchise history to have that sort of poll.

860
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: This also means to me that Ian Cunningham is the

861
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: favorite for that GM role. Ian Cunningham and Ryan Poles

862
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: have worked closely together obviously for years. Ryan Poles and

863
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: Matt Ryan have a very very good relationship. There's been

864
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: some reporting out there that Ryan Poles has been sort

865
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: of an ear to bend for Matt Ryan when Matt

866
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: Ryan's talking about the GM, the GM process and figuring out,

867
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, problem solving and correcting that alignment between head

868
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: coach and general manager, so we'll see. I still don't

869
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: like the fact that it's all these search firms and

870
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: stuff that's in it.

871
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: But what it sounds like they knew exactly what they

872
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: were going to finish with the curious. I do like

873
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: that that point though, that here is a man, Matt Ryan,

874
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: maybe the only one that can actually be real with

875
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: the billionaire owner. You know, tell them what is the head? Yeah,

876
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna have to We're gonna have to

877
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: fire through it. We'll speed round it up John Harbaugh.

878
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's quieted down, but it hasn't been

879
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: like as crazy. Atlanta announced the interview with John Harbaugh.

880
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: Now wasn't in person, but they announced the interview with him.

881
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: He also reportedly broke bread with the Giants, including Chris Mara, who,

882
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: if you were reading the New York tabloids like twenty

883
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: years ago, at one point was trying to become the

884
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Giants GM and then his own dad essentially said no,

885
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: you can't become the Giants GM because the other owner

886
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm not letting you hire your son

887
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: to be the GM. And now you know, John Mora

888
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: is unfortunately like having a cancer battle publicly and Chris

889
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: mara is suddenly kind of brought into this situation. It

890
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: is very cinematic, I guess would be the word, or

891
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what the word would be, but it

892
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: sounds like a movie that he's now be coming a

893
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 1: big part of this process. And yeah, he broke bread

894
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: with John Harbaugh. Your colleague Diane Orsini reported that the Titans,

895
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: the Giants, and the Falcons are kind of the three

896
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: and leaders in the clubhouse for John Harbaugh. Yeah, they're

897
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: one you would want to see out of those three.

898
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: Well, I can understand specifically why the Titans and the

899
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: Giants are wanting John Harbaugh because they need complete infrastructural overhaul.

900
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: They need somebody to set a foundation. I don't think

901
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: this might be an unpopular comment or opinion. I don't

902
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: think John Harbaugh gives you a scheme advantage. I don't

903
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: think he gives you an advantage in the way that

904
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: a lot of these teams are looking for an advantage.

905
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of teams that aren't even.

906
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: At the level yet where they should or can look

907
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: for that type of advantage because there's so much work

908
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: to be done on an organizational level to set the

909
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: actual pillars and foundation and different DNA strands of an

910
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: actual like what football is and how football happens in

911
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: these buildings, and someone like John Harbaugh will obviously know

912
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: how to do that.

913
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I you know, from what we've heard, he's

914
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: a little more involved in like the defensive.

915
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: He's very hands on too, and he's very meticulous about

916
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: what he wants and so teams that are rudderless really

917
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: need that, and I think that's the Giants and I

918
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: think that's the Titans.

919
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: By the way. Matt Ryan also was very supportive of

920
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: Michael Pennock, saying he was a big fan of Mike,

921
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: as he said, and we're going to support him however

922
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: we can for what that's worth. So we'll see where

923
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: Harbaugh goes Lafleur, I think we've kind of hit that.

924
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: Yes they're trying to work on a new deal, but

925
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: that needs to still be finished, so more in this space.

926
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on that.

927
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: Just think about it, and yes, absolutely, but I'm thinking

928
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: about it the way I think about it with players

929
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: and ladies. If he wanted to, he would, right like

930
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: if you wanted to extend the guy, extend you would

931
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: have extended him already. So there's a hang up happening

932
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: in the middle here. And at the beginning of the year,

933
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: there was a lot of confidence coming out of that

934
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: building that this would happen and this would unfold despite

935
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: the layers of the new team president and Brian gudikants

936
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: there might be some some questions.

937
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: Or maybe they're just trying to kick the can down

938
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: to see what kind of trade conversation they could be offered.

939
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: What do you think about this? From Denny Carter on

940
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: Blue Sky that he's worried that Lafleur might have like

941
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: a barber addiction that he gets his haircut, he gets

942
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: that fade every forty eight hours and like it's like

943
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: a shape up at halftime and everything like that's getting

944
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: in the way of his coaching because it is always

945
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: like incredibly fresh. What about the eyebrows, how are those

946
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: being him? He is immaculately groomed. I want to ask.

947
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: I don't really have a comment on David blow as

948
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: the new Washington offensive coordinator, but I just wanted to

949
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: point out that David Blau, the man who uh you know,

950
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: once started a Thanksgiving game. That's how I remember him uh,

951
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: and our friend, our friend, uh, Mark Sessler, you know

952
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: the Blowheart Blawheart. He had a newsletter. He is now

953
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: running the Washington offense and Dan Quinn. He kind of

954
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: made it clear he's still very young, David blow but

955
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: he lost some good coordinators and young coaches when he

956
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: was in Atlanta when Kyle Shanahan left him and he

957
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: took Mike McDaniel and whatnot with him, and he saw

958
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: David Blau potentially getting an interview in Detroit, and he

959
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: was like, no, I don't want to lose the next

960
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: young hot shot. So David Blough is in charge of

961
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: the Jaden Daniels experience in twenty twenty six. You ready,

962
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm so ready.

963
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: Member of the athletics fifty under forty last year.

964
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: Oh look at that. Yeah, quarterbacks coach of the of

965
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders a year ago. The Titans have interviewed

966
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: eighteen candidates. Is that too much? Feels like that? Then

967
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: tells me you know what you're doing. I mean the Ravens.

968
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: To be fair, I just listed off I think thirteen

969
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: or fourteen for the Ravens. Fourteen of them have been

970
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: previous head coaches. So it seems like they have a

971
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: type like they're the only ones that they have interviewed

972
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon, they're interviewing Brian Dable. I feel like it's

973
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: all information gathering. You're not losing. How do we do

974
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: this well? December one question. I guess you just never

975
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: know what's gonna pop up. I mentioned Mike McDaniels had

976
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: five head coaching interviews. Kevin Stefanski's had six head coaching interviews.

977
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: Can you imagine being Kevin Stefanski where like you you know,

978
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: you get fired or whatever, and like you're like the

979
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: bell of the coaching market ball right, You're like you've

980
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 2: just edged out Jesse Minter because you're an offensive guy too,

981
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: and you've edged out like Jeff Hafley, who's like a

982
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 2: hot name as well. And then and then like then

983
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: John Harbo's like, oh, also, I'm coming into the job market.

984
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 2: And then you're like, Okay, I guess I'm like a

985
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: lower and then Mike Toms like, hold my beer, everybody,

986
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm coming into the job and TV market. So now

987
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: you know you're standing sort of you know, you're you're

988
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: standing in the side of the dance hall.

989
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: Nobody's asking you to dance Mike McCarthy also in the

990
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: mix a little bit.

991
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: I think Mike McCarthy would be a good hire for

992
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans.

993
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: I really do. I've I've had that take for a while.

994
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: Third time around, the Dolphins hired John Eric Sullivan at GM.

995
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: We didn't hit that the former Packers staffer, so they

996
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: decide and it's more important to just get the GM

997
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: in place. Maybe he can deliver Matt Lafleur. That would

998
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: be exciting. Why is Jeff Haffley such a popular candidate?

999
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing the thing that people do on social media

1000
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: where they're kind of being disingenuous and they're like, I'm

1001
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: just asking an honest question, But I am kind of curious.

1002
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: Why is he such a popular you know what?

1003
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: I was curious about this Entering the season. I talked

1004
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: to my colleague Matt Schneidman over who covers the Packers

1005
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 2: is a great job for the athletic and he says

1006
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: that Jeff Haffleys a candidate a really popular name, a

1007
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: because people like his scheme, but then also because players

1008
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: really respond to him, like he has a way a

1009
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: teaching progression and a way of connecting with players that

1010
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: really resonates he is, you know, somebody who they could

1011
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: really see taking a macro look at an organization. It

1012
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: was really it's been really striking to people within the

1013
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: organization too. I almost wonder too, And this is just

1014
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: me thinking, you know, on the fly, wondering here. I

1015
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: almost wonder if there's some concern for the packers. It's like, well,

1016
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: if we extend what if we extend Matt Lafleur this amount,

1017
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: you know, and pay him this much, there's also a

1018
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: possibility we lose Jeff Hafley. That's he's a person they

1019
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: don't that building does not want to lose. I do

1020
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: know that, So I wonder if that's weighing into some

1021
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: of the contract math.

1022
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: Here. From the outside looking in, I would say his

1023
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: packers defense haven't performed over expectations. They've just performed at expectations.

1024
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: They've been fine. That's just from the outside looking in, like,

1025
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: based on the talent that they have, maybe maybe they did.

1026
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they were a little better last year than you

1027
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: would have expected, but nothing crazy, and then this year

1028
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: they were about where you would expect. With Parsons and

1029
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: the fact that it collapsed so badly, you know what

1030
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: wasn't great for him, but it wasn't great at BC either.

1031
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: I would say for the.

1032
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: Same reasons though that he is a popular candidate is

1033
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: some are reasons that like a Chrishula, for example, whose

1034
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 2: defense has greatness in it at times, but it's been

1035
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 2: just okay for for a lot of the last several

1036
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: weeks and maybe hasn't performed even up to their expectations

1037
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: heading into the season. It's it's the way that they

1038
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: connect with players, the way that they teach, the way

1039
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: that Shula obviously has the the Shula name as well,

1040
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: and the McVeigh thing, which is helpful. Jeff Afley has

1041
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: the has a little floor bump which is helpful. So

1042
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things. There's a lot of

1043
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: layers to it that make somebody a popular candidate. I

1044
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: think there's substance to both of those as well. It's

1045
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: not just sort of style points or or whether or

1046
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: not they're their defense is performed.

1047
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: I get it, but you want to see you want

1048
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: to see that, but you're right, that's not it. Sho

1049
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: Greg something, yeah, Greg so Befair. Mike Rabel's one year

1050
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator in the NFL he had like

1051
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: the worst defense in the NFL, and he's turned out, yeah,

1052
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: a great head coach. Uh. While we're on Bears in

1053
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: the Packers or Packers rather, Uh, let's actually go back

1054
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: all the way to Sunday and let's listen to one

1055
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments of the entire weekend, which will

1056
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: partly be bleeped out. We'll actually hear Ben Johnson in

1057
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: the locker room, and then you'll hear him asked about

1058
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: what happened in the locker room the following day.

1059
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 3: There's a rivalry that exists between these two teams, something

1060
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: that that I fully recognize and I'm a part of.

1061
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean there's I just I don't like

1062
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 3: that team. So George and I have talked and we're

1063
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: on the same page.

1064
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: I love it. We need more of this. I love this,

1065
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: real hate, real hate. I love it.

1066
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: You know what my favorite sports hate My favorite thing

1067
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: is so that clip goes viral. Kudos to the Bears

1068
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: social media team for like not editing that part out.

1069
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: All good.

1070
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: You know, they bleeped it obviously, but they didn't edit

1071
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: it out in their little postgame clip. My favorite thing

1072
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: about that entire sequence is when Ben Johnson has his

1073
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: press conference the next day that of course the entire

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Speaker 2: all the beat writers have seen it. So the beat

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Speaker 2: writers are like, well, did you mean what you said? Right?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, look at the man. Of course he

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Speaker 1: meant what he said.

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Speaker 2: Look at him in that moment, like he's saying it

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Speaker 2: with his entire chest.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, but he was like actually talked with

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Speaker 1: ownership about him, and they say, they say, he also

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Speaker 1: said the like they say the Packers too, like, forget

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Speaker 1: about it, all right, We've done it. We've gone all

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Speaker 1: around the league. We've talked about coaches.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I like that the Browns have been interviewing guys that

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Speaker 1: like aren't interviewing elsewhere. I really actually mean that. Grant

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Speaker 1: Yudinsky a Jaguar, Grantski's who's your guy with the Rams?

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Speaker 1: Nate Nate Schielhouse. Nate Schielhouse, a rising star might be

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Speaker 1: paired with Chris Shula. You know our guy from the UK.

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Speaker 1: The seahaxtensive coordinator Adden Dirty Adden Dirty Henry Hodson actually

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Speaker 1: sent me a voice memo of how to say his name,

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Speaker 1: and now I probably still butchered it. Dan Pitcher, the

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Speaker 1: Bengals offensive coordinator, like Tommy Reese got an interview there,

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator with the Browns last year.

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Speaker 2: Rescott a oc interview last year too. The thing I love.

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Speaker 2: I did a story when I still worked back at

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Speaker 2: the Charlotte Observer on fa Obada who was the first

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Speaker 2: success story of the International Pathways program. And I went

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Speaker 2: out to England and I spent some time with the

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Speaker 2: English football team American football team there, and all of

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Speaker 2: those guys still play on the same team and on

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Speaker 2: dirty comes out of there and they all just were

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Speaker 2: at They traveled overseas this season to watch him coach

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Speaker 2: in the Seahawks Rams game.

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Speaker 1: How cool is that? That is badass? And yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of connections. Actually, our friend from from London,

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Speaker 1: Will Gavin, will be flying back viral sensations Will Gavin,

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Speaker 1: who I'll be working with at the super Bowl on

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Speaker 1: Talk Sport for the Super Bowl. I was fine back

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Speaker 1: over for this Divisional round game forty nine Ers Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for that. I'm excited for this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we got this show, and I hope everyone

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Speaker 1: that's listening like we love this type of season. This

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Speaker 1: just figuring out and connecting all the dots. Obviously, we

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Speaker 1: don't love that the Mike Tomlin lost his job, but

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool that he got to do it

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Speaker 1: on his terms and he's he's gonna be beloved there forever.

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Speaker 1: I talked about some of the media people who are

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Speaker 1: ready for him to go, like like a Dave damashek

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Speaker 1: I feel like Steelers fans and Jarrett Bailey's another one,

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Speaker 1: John Ledyard, like they're all Steelers fans in the media,

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Speaker 1: they were kind of ready for him to go. But

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Speaker 1: the real hardcore fans will love Tomlin, like my buddy

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Speaker 1: Anthony j justsin like forever, like that is like a

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Speaker 1: member of his family. And the fact that he kind

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Speaker 1: of went out his way with another winning record and

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Speaker 1: then said like see you later. One of one, Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: all right, we will be back. Our next show will

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Speaker 1: be going up Thursday morning. It's a mega preview. Olly

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Speaker 1: Connolly's joining us. You're gonna be there. Patrick is there.

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Speaker 1: And then every year around this time we bring on

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Speaker 1: Seth payin for the Seth Head Seth Pain. Same time

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Speaker 1: Texans guy will be talking Texans Patriots, will go through

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Speaker 1: all the games. We'll see you that