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Speaker 1: Hey, what well, come in. I'm Doug Gottie. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball and I'm sugar war based upon so many

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Speaker 1: of the responses that I've gotten on social media in

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Speaker 1: my cell on ig. Remember that's at Gottlieb Show on

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Speaker 1: Twitter on IG, I've gotten so many responses as to

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Speaker 1: Jason Houghton's Part one, Man, I gotta hear coach Hoots

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Speaker 1: part two. Don't worry, we got it for you, the

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Speaker 1: new new Mexico state head coach. In this part of

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Speaker 1: I think we went about a little over an hour

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Speaker 1: hour fifteen. He again, he was recording this the morning

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Speaker 1: of his anniversary, his wedding anniversary.

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Speaker 2: So what a great dude.

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Speaker 1: So I had to press him on patt he meet

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Speaker 1: his wife, and he tried to kind of wiggle out

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Speaker 1: of the question. Come on, you know me, guys anyway,

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Speaker 1: welcome in.

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Speaker 2: I do think that before we get the coach Hoot,

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Speaker 2: I give you my opinion on.

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Speaker 1: The sudden and I think deserved firing retirement of Bob Huggins.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure some of you who are avid listeners

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Speaker 1: who defended Bob Huggins when he made his remarks on

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I didn't defend his remarks. I defended the fact that, look,

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Speaker 1: he's been at this a long time. It felt like

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Speaker 1: using words in ways in which in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: we don't use him anymore. And as much as those comments,

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Speaker 1: be a pushback to it. I just didn't think it

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Speaker 2: This is different.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to it. It's not his first DUI.

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Speaker 1: It's not his first d UI at West Virginia. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's it angers you, it angers me.

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Speaker 2: I mean for people don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yes, my head coach's career at Oklahoma State, Eddie Sutton,

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Speaker 1: He had a DUI, and I was the guy who

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Speaker 1: is years ago when Eddie Sutton had his DUI. Was

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Speaker 1: six months previous, Bob Huggins had gotten a DUI at Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: You know, they told me that, you know, I should

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Speaker 1: Fast forward to coach Huggins, and you know, you're only

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Speaker 1: It's not like he made me look bad, right, but

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Speaker 1: Those are your own terms? Nobody forced you to drink

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm friends with Dan Dakich, but being friends with

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Speaker 1: let's get the part two of our talk with coach Shoton.

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Speaker 1: He's the new head coach in Mexico State. We talked

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Speaker 2: Let's go back. How'd you get the Sam Houston job? Wow?

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Speaker 5: you know, you're like, man, you know you're dating all

437
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 5: these different girls or like there's something wrong with me.

438
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 5: I should be getting married by now or at least

439
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 5: you know, you know how it is, You're you're starting

440
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 5: to think, and so I'm like, man, this is the one, like,

441
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 5: you know, this is the one. So we go to

442
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: this little Italian food place. It's actually still there in Stevenville.

443
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: Now to this day. And so that was that was

444
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: our first date. We dated.

445
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 5: We dated a year, and then we got engaged, and

446
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 5: then we were engage for a year and got married,

447
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 5: got married in two thousand, June seventeenth, two thousand, so

448
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 5: today's twenty three years.

449
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: It's kind of funny.

450
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: Because we dated a year and I was, you know,

451
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 5: fighting it, you know the fact that I was actually

452
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 5: getting close to being maybe asking someone to marry me.

453
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 5: And we were running on a treadmill one day and together,

454
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 5: and she was right next to me and she says, so,

455
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 5: what's going on?

456
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: Like where's this where's this thing going? You know? And

457
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: I was like, what do you mean? I mean, what

458
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: do you mean?

459
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 5: And she was like, I mean, you know what I mean,

460
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 5: like we're we you know, we're getting married or what

461
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 5: are we doing? And I'm like, oh, you know, I

462
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 5: mean yeah, I think we're getting closer. And she says, well,

463
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 5: I can't tell you this. We better hurry up and

464
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 5: get closer. I'm not gonna be around very long. So

465
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 5: so anyway, I'm married.

466
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: Are you offered me a scholarship coach? Or are you

467
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: not offered me a scholarship coach?

468
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: So I'm married. I married a good one man.

469
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 5: She's a coach and she coaches. Actually she's going to

470
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 5: take this year off. Our daughter will be a senior.

471
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 5: And she's actually coached our daughter the last three years

472
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 5: in volleyball and softball.

473
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: But she's she's going to take this year off and

474
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: just set in the.

475
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 5: Stands and be a mom and enjoy our daughter senior year.

476
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 5: So got a son that's a freshman. He's a tennis player,

477
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 5: a good tennis player and plays a lot of tennis.

478
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 5: So but anyway, to answer your question, I so we

479
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 5: were there. We built a house in two thousand. We

480
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 5: lived in that house for about two years. And Bob

481
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 5: Marlin was at sam Houston and I had met him

482
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 5: on the road a lot, and he always just made

483
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 5: his went out of his way to come up and

484
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 5: talk to me all the time, and I really liked him.

485
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: So he called me, and he called me in two thousand,

486
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 5: we had just built the house, we had just gotten married,

487
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 5: and he offered me a job, and I was like,

488
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 5: Coach man, I can't do it. You know, I feel

489
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: really bad leaving here. And at this point in time,

490
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 5: she just arted her job. She worked at Stephenville High

491
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: School as an assistant volleyball coach and the athletic director

492
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 5: at the time was Art Brows, and she really liked

493
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: her job, and so we stayed. And then in two

494
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 5: thousand and four, about April of two thousand and four,

495
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 5: he called again and he said, hey, listen, I lost

496
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: my assistant. Would you be interested? And man, I just

497
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 5: dug it was time. I had been at D two.

498
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: We were number one in the country and Division two

499
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 5: at the time at Tarleton, and I just kind of

500
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: felt like I had done everything there that an assistant

501
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 5: could do. And Coach Reesman wasn't going to retire anytime soon.

502
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 5: So Man, I took a leap of faith. And you know,

503
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: one thing I always remember he told me, he said, man,

504
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: if you just keep getting me guys here like you

505
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 5: have there, you know, then it's going to work out

506
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 5: for everybody, and you're going to have a chance. Maybe

507
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 5: someday to get this job, and you know, I think

508
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 5: I took the job on a leap of faith, but

509
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 5: also you know, I trust.

510
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: Him and I believe that we were going to do

511
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: a good job there.

512
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 5: And you know, and I felt like that it would

513
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 5: give me an opportunity to be a head Division one coach.

514
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 5: As you know, it was really hard to do and

515
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 5: get and I was at the right place at the

516
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: right time. We had some great teams and the last

517
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: team in twenty ten we went to the NCAA tournament.

518
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 5: He got the Lafayette job. Well lose in and now

519
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 5: it was Lafayette n and man, I got the job

520
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 5: there and we were there and we were blessed to

521
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: be there for thirteen years, had a lot of success.

522
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 5: We ended up passing passing coach Marlon is the winning

523
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: this staff there in the history of the school.

524
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: And it was good. We had a great year and

525
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: this year was it was a lot of fun.

526
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: You know, went to the n I and won a game,

527
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 5: beat Santa Clara at Santa Clara and the n I

528
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 5: and you know, and then this job came open, Doug.

529
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: And you know, this is a basketball school. I mean,

530
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 5: it's not a secret that there was a lot of

531
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: stuff going on, and man a challenge to say the least.

532
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 5: It was a challenge for sure, but did a lot

533
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 5: of praying and just felt like it was the right

534
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 5: time to try to make this move and you know,

535
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 5: see where we can take it.

536
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: Take them back to Sam Houston.

537
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: Was there a time and it's like, yeah, I mean

538
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: Bob Marlin's perfect example, right, really successful, great junior college coach,

539
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: won junior college national championship, you know. And I was

540
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: just talking to a young coach earlier today and we

541
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: were talking about getting stuck. Was there ever a thought

542
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: that like, this is where I'm going to be because

543
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: I can't. It's hard to get out of those jobs.

544
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: And like, look, I understand if you're a Sam Houston

545
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: fan or a fan of a schools in that like

546
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: in the south Land or whatever, you're like, well, what's so,

547
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, look, let's talk with the reality

548
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: of a job and a business. Is you're looking for

549
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: personal growth, professional growth? Was there a time in which

550
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know for Evergod.

551
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 5: Now, heck, yeah, I mean even looking at Bob shoot,

552
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 5: I remember, I mean I shoot Bob interviewed, He interviewed

553
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 5: here with doctor Boston at New Mexico State.

554
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: I know, he interviewed at Wyoming one time, and I.

555
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 5: Mean there were a bunch of places, and you know,

556
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 5: and I mean he was averaging over twenty wins a

557
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 5: year like we were, and like he was having a

558
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 5: hard time getting out and you know, and then twenty

559
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 5: ten when we went to the tournament, I think he

560
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: came down to Lafayette and you of h and uh,

561
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 5: you know, he ended up picking Lafayette, which has been

562
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 5: great for him. I think he's been to two or

563
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 5: three NCAA tournaments and just got a huge extension. So

564
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 5: but yeah, you feel like you're you're gonna get stuck there.

565
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 5: And that's not a bad thing. I mean, you know,

566
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 5: if you're at a place, doug where people take good

567
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: care of you, they care about you, you know, I mean,

568
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 5: I think there's nothing wrong with that. You know, we

569
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 5: had went from the Southland to the Whack, and the

570
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 5: Whack has got to be one of the most underrated

571
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 5: basketball conferences in the country. I mean, that league is

572
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: so dang good, and you know, but we you know,

573
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 5: the first year in the Whack, we're picked seventh. We

574
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 5: tied for second and then this past year we were

575
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 5: picked eight and we you know, we ended up really second,

576
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: although the points system thing.

577
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: We ended up won. But you know, yeah, you feel

578
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: like that.

579
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: And so maybe at this point, you know, fifty four

580
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 5: years old, twenty wins a year for thirteen years, maybe

581
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 5: this is it.

582
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: You know, I felt like this was the time to

583
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: jump on it.

584
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: And you know, and Mario Moosha did an unbelievable job

585
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: of recruiting our family and making us feel like we're

586
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 5: the we're the group to get this place back up

587
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 5: on its feet again. And so yeah, I thought, you know,

588
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 5: maybe not running out of time, but I just thought

589
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 5: this was the time. And I mean, let's be honest,

590
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: look at all the coaches that have been here and look.

591
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: Where they're at now, or look where they went when.

592
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 5: They left here, right, no question, three out three out

593
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: the last four coaches got a quote unquote.

594
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: Power five type job when they left here. So you

595
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: know that's not our goal and intention for sure, But you.

596
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: Only get that if you're winning, right, I mean it's like.

597
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt, you know, these are these are

598
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: these are good problems for Mario to have if somebody

599
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: wants your coach.

600
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: It means you're you're doing the doing the right things.

601
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: We were supposed to do this when you were driving

602
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: home right after you first got the job. So how

603
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: far how far drive is it from Las Cruses uh

604
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: to to sam Houston State?

605
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 5: It's eleven hours? Yeah, it's eleven hours? Maybe ten ten

606
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: or eleven?

607
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: Uh? Okay?

608
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Okay?

609
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: So wait wait, so so you you get the job, right,

610
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: you still have your house, So you get the job

611
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: when you start talking to start talking to Mario, at

612
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: what point did you did you and your wife start

613
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: looking at real estate?

614
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 5: Uh? Man, we got back from that Santa Clara game

615
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: and we still had the North Texas next round, you know,

616
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: and so they were you know, Mario was great. You know,

617
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 5: he was very respectful. He went through my agent, you know,

618
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 5: and then you know, he was pushed for time and

619
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: I think he probably had a lot of heat on

620
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 5: him from you know, just I'm sure the perception in

621
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 5: the country right now.

622
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 3: Right when you're going to hire a.

623
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 5: Coach and you know, or you're going to hire a

624
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 5: guy who's going to come in here and have you know,

625
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: the characteristics, is going to take to turn turn it

626
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 5: around a little bit.

627
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: So to speak.

628
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 5: Man, when I got back from Santa Clara, I mean

629
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 5: they flew they flew a plane into Huntsville, Texas, and

630
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 5: there are like seven people in my living room, you

631
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: know when I got back. So you know, I didn't

632
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 5: have any didn't have anything with the North Texas. I mean,

633
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 5: we were trying to beat North Texas. I really felt

634
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 5: like if we'd have beat North Texas. And don't take

635
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 5: this the.

636
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: Wrong way, but I really felt like we could. I

637
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: thought we could go to still Water and and you know,

638
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 3: we had gone there in the beginning of the year

639
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: and they'd beat.

640
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: Us ten or twelve, and Mike's a great coach, and

641
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 5: but you know how this sometimes when you're playing power

642
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 5: fives and n I and it's like the third.

643
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: Round, you know, do they really want to be there?

644
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

645
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 5: And I just felt like if we could have beat

646
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 5: North Texas, I felt like we could have went to

647
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 5: Stillwater and maybe got that one. But North Texas was

648
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 5: playing so well. We had scrimmaged them and beat them

649
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 5: pretty good, and you know, they just kicked us that day.

650
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 5: But I got home from there and I got on

651
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: a plane and they flew me out for a day

652
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 5: and then flew my family. My wife had a softball

653
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 5: game on a Tuesday, so they flew her out Wednesday

654
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 5: morning with the kids.

655
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 3: And I mean, when they.

656
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 5: Came out that day, we were already we were already

657
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 5: looking you know what.

658
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: When I went.

659
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: Home, we got ready to go home the next morning,

660
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 5: and Mario came to pick us up to take us

661
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 5: to the plane. And it was it was interesting, Doug,

662
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 5: because I was like, when we walked down, it was

663
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: like five in the morning, and I said, look, man,

664
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 5: I'm not ready to decide. And I know how these

665
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: car rides can be back to the airport. It's like

666
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 5: taking a recruit back to the airport and he's not

667
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 5: ready to commit, and it's a really uncomfortable ride, right,

668
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 5: Like you're both sitting there looking at each other and

669
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 5: you don't know what to say, and he's not ready

670
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 5: to commit and you're ready to get an answer.

671
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: So I said, look, I don't want this car ride

672
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: to be weird.

673
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 5: I said, when I get home, just give me a

674
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 5: give me a couple hours, and I'm gonna call.

675
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: You at the end of the day. And this is

676
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: a Thursday.

677
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 5: And he looked at me and he came up really

678
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 5: close in my face and he put his hand on

679
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 5: my chest and said, you're the guy. You're the person

680
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 5: that can get this place back to where it needs

681
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 5: to be. And that really resonated with me. But I

682
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 5: got home and of course went to see my ad

683
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 5: there and anyway, at the end of the day, it.

684
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: Was hold on, hold on, skip, what's that? Like, what's that?

685
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: Walk into your AD's office?

686
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: Like I sat down and.

687
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, the first the first time, we just

688
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 5: talked like it wasn't the decision yet because I really

689
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 5: dug I really hadn't made up my mind.

690
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: Really honestly, I didn't know what I was going to do.

691
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 5: And you know, it was interesting because on the plane

692
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: ride back this I tell everybody this. So my wife

693
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: and I were sitting right next to each other and

694
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 5: she says, so, what do you think And I said

695
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 5: I don't know, and she said why and I said, man,

696
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 5: I've been there nineteen years, like family and our house.

697
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: You know, we have nine acres and.

698
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: A five thousand square foot home there, and I'm like, man,

699
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if I want to leave all that.

700
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 5: And she said, okay, she said what about the basketball part?

701
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 5: And I said, oh, it's a no brainer. And she goes, well,

702
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 5: there's your answer. And I said, what do you mean?

703
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: And she said, Jason, our life has revolved around college

704
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 5: basketball and what you do.

705
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: We're all going to figure that out and.

706
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 5: Make it as a family, but the basketball part is

707
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 5: what makes us all happy. And she said, if you're

708
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 5: saying that's a no brainer, then you've answered your You've

709
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 5: answered your own question. And so, you know, kind of

710
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 5: I mean, that kind of sunk in, you know. Like,

711
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 5: so I get in the car to drive home, and

712
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: it's like, well, first of all, I'm in my office.

713
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 5: It's three o'clock and he Mario calls and he's like, well,

714
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 5: what's going on.

715
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Mario, you told me you're gonna give

716
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: me to the end of the day.

717
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 5: And he goes, I said, it's three o'clock here. Hell,

718
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 5: it's two o'clock there. And he starts laughing, you know,

719
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 5: and I said, man, just give me, you know, give

720
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: me to the end of the day. So I think

721
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 5: at the time, you know, my agent told me at

722
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 5: the time he had already started calling his second option,

723
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 5: you know. And so I get in the car and

724
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 5: I'm driving home, it's five o'clock and I call Mario

725
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 5: and I said, Mario, look, you're going to be really mad, but.

726
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: Just let me sleep on it. Let me just give

727
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: me till in the morning.

728
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 5: And you know, I thought he was going to be pissed,

729
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 5: but he was really He took a deep breath and

730
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 5: he said, you know what, Okay, So I go home.

731
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: I have I don't gamble, I don't drink, I don't smoke.

732
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 5: I have one thing, really two things things, and one

733
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 5: of them I haven't been able to do this year,

734
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 5: and that's watched the Texas Rangers every night. But my other,

735
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 5: my other thing that I do is is I love slurpees.

736
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 5: So I stop and buy a slurpee every day on

737
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 5: the way home from work. And I got this one

738
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 5: little store that I stop and get a slurpee from.

739
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: So I stop and get my slurpy. The lady that

740
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: who who whoa what what.

741
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: What flavor slurpee?

742
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 5: So I'm a coke guy or doctor pepper. But it's

743
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: really interesting because I'm not a caffeine person. So that's

744
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 5: the only thing I drink is that I don't know

745
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 5: how much caffeine's in it.

746
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 3: But anyway, I don't drink caffeine.

747
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 5: So so I get my slurpee and I call, uh,

748
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 5: this is every day, every every every day of nineteen years.

749
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: Man.

750
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: Pretty close, yeah, pretty close. So I get home and

751
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 5: we you know, we got this swimming pool, we got

752
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 5: nine acres, no fin dog running around the yard, big

753
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 5: lab running around the yard. And you know, I'm sitting

754
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 5: in my chair on the back porch for my wife

755
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 5: and she's, of course I'm drinking a slurpe and she's

756
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: drinking a michelob Ultra gold.

757
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: And so I say, what do you think?

758
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 5: And she's like, you know, I think you know, you know,

759
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 5: I think you know it's in your gut, it's in

760
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 5: your heart. And man, I was sitting there and I

761
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 5: really thought it was going to be hard, like sitting

762
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 5: there looking at that place, and man, I said, you

763
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 5: know what, We're gonna do it. So my daughter, this

764
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 5: is the best part of the story. So my daughter

765
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 5: is eighteen, Mario's daughter is fifteen. But they're, you know,

766
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 5: they're they got to be kind of friends on the trip.

767
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 5: And so my daughter overhears my wife and I talking

768
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 5: about it, and so she gets on Facebook or whatever

769
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 5: she gets on somehow first.

770
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: Media, Yeah, Snapchat.

771
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 5: So she gets on Snapchat with Addie and she's like, hey,

772
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 5: he's gonna do it. He's gonna do it, and so

773
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 5: so anyway, but Mario doesn't know this. So the next morning,

774
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: I'm getting ready to go to work and it's like

775
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 5: eight or nine o'lock and I'm about to call Mario,

776
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 5: and so anyway, I end up calling Mario. But the

777
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 5: story is is that Mario's wife wakes up at seven

778
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 5: and goes into Mario and says he's taking the job.

779
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: And Mario's like, how do you know?

780
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 5: And she says, because Addie and Jayden are on Snapchat

781
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 5: and Jayden said last night that she overheard her mom

782
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 5: and dad talking and that he's going to actually take

783
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 5: the job. So it's hilarious. But anyway, I called Mario

784
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 5: and told him, you know, hey, let's do it. And

785
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 5: so here we are. You know, we got ten players

786
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 5: signed and got a whole new staff hired, and you know,

787
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 5: luckily on the staff, I hired all the guys. I

788
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 5: brought two guys with me and then hired other guys

789
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 5: that had worked with me before.

790
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: So that part was pretty easy.

791
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 5: Although I had some really good guys call and some

792
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 5: great candidates for or we just ended up going with

793
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 5: some guys that had been with me before.

794
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: So have you found your new slurpece slurpees by yet?

795
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: I have? Yeah, I have what's it called?

796
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: Right up?

797
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: Circle K?

798
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 5: They got Circle K's here and Las Crucis and we

799
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 5: got a slurp, a good slurp and it makes a

800
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: good one. It's a good slurpy. You know, there's a

801
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 5: bad there's a good slurpees and bad slurpees. There's some

802
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 5: bad slurpees for sure, but this this place got it.

803
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 5: It's got a good machine. It keeps them, it keeps

804
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 5: them pretty good. So I grabbed I grabbed me one

805
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 5: every day.

806
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you now you get your say you haven't

807
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: gotten to the place, because I'll never forget, like I won't.

808
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: I won't sell out who it was.

809
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: My brothers work for a bunch of guys. He there

810
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: was a there was a time when uh, he was

811
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: working for one of his bosses a long time ago

812
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: that he would call a different assistant, you know, a

813
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: g A and the GA had to run and you know,

814
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: one time he's like, hey, can you go pick me

815
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: up that hooting the Blowfish album? Right like, do you

816
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: get your own slurpy or do you have a slurpee?

817
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 5: Guy yet, Doug Man, I would and you never say never.

818
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 5: But I am the most I'm the least ego guy. Like,

819
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 5: that's just not my style or my I would not

820
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 5: ask an assistant coach or ga to go pick up

821
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 5: anything for me, Like I wouldn't ask him to go

822
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 5: get my laundry or go get me a slurpee or.

823
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: That's just not just kind of not me, not my style.

824
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the other. Here's the other one. Would

825
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: do you put the slurpe in and then put the

826
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: lid on? Or do you put the lid on with

827
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: a little hole in the middle and fill it all

828
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: the way up to the top. What's your what's your style?

829
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 3: So the BUCkies? Have you heard of BUCkies before?

830
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: I have not?

831
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: Okay, So BUCkies.

832
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 5: Are in Texas and it's this store that this guy

833
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 5: invented and it is it's got the little beaver guy

834
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 5: on the front.

835
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: You've never seen a BUCkies or heard of him.

836
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've been buying it.

837
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 5: But now, yeah, these places are amazing, Like, I mean,

838
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 5: you'll drive by one of them in Texas and there's

839
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 5: so many people there you can't even get inside. And

840
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 5: they're huge stores and they've got like clothes in there

841
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 5: and food and the whole deal.

842
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: But anyway they're they're Slurpy is good. But it always

843
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: asks you to put the top on first and then

844
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: put it inside the little hole. But I don't like

845
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: to do.

846
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 5: That, So I like to fill it up until it

847
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: gets to the brim and then stick the top on,

848
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 5: and then you close it out by putting the rest

849
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 5: of it in so that you actually.

850
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 3: Get the full you know, you get the full deal.

851
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 5: So because then you can shake it as you're putting

852
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 5: it in, you can shake it so that you actually

853
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 5: get the slurpy, you know, you get your money's work.

854
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: You want to get all of it in there, you know.

855
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: So this is crazy we're talking about. That's why now

856
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: that I'm telling you, that's why I've asked. It's the

857
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: granular details that make people who they are, you know,

858
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that all sincerity, right, Like everybody

859
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: has their everybody has their thing, you know, everybody has

860
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: everybody has a thing. I am a coffee guy. I

861
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: have like very specific ways in which I want to

862
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: get my coffee and once I get it, and then

863
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: I will just I will get it at that place

864
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: every day, come hell or high water.

865
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: Right, So so.

866
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 5: You get so you get a coffee. You get a

867
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 5: coffee every single day.

868
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: Yes, at least, I mean one is a one is

869
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: a slow day.

870
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: I usually get a couple.

871
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: And it comes from I mean, first, my mom used

872
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: to always, you know, make her own Folger's coffee every day,

873
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: and I.

874
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 3: Grew up my dad Folgers. Yep.

875
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: I grew up to that smell, and I'd have a

876
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: sip every now and again, but I didn't necessarily like

877
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: the taste. And then uh, I started back on coffee.

878
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: When I played at Oklahoma State, I'll never forget. We

879
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: played Baylor, and back then the Big Twelve, there was

880
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: always a noon.

881
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: There were noon Big Twelve games.

882
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: And Adrian Peterson from North Little Rock, Arkansas, I's the

883
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: third all time leading scored up the state. We were

884
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: rooming together and we were both like kind of dragon

885
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: ass and he's He's like, let's make some coffee. And

886
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: we had a cup of coffee before the game. We

887
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: both play well, and that would become our thing. We'd

888
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: make like coffee in the room. And then I would

889
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: usually have it like a half cup before a game.

890
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes did give me the jitters when I was playing,

891
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: but sometimes it's just the game. But I did that

892
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: even playing professionally. And then when I got to ESPN,

893
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily on coffee, and then it was just

894
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't used to the cold in Bristol. And my

895
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: first home at ESPN was in a town called Burlington,

896
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: and it was like a fifteen twenty minute drive to work,

897
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: and I never get I came down Jerome Avenue and

898
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I would go past the Starbucks every day, and you know,

899
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: it was like this is like in two thousand and three,

900
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and four or whatever.

901
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: And I was working at night.

902
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: I'd work at seven to one am, four nights a week,

903
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: and I have I'm I naturally have really good energy.

904
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: So I just started, like, I got a caramel macchiato,

905
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: which you know, I mean it's exactly as it sounds.

906
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: It sounds, it sounds good.

907
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: It's delicious.

908
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: It's it's terrible for you, but I'm delicious, and I

909
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: just I went from there, and then you know, by

910
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: the time I left ESPN, I was getting I had

911
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: my own drink where it was four shots of espresso,

912
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: two shots of chai, and then soy milk with eyes

913
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: all the way up. They even called it the Dugger.

914
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: We had a Starbucks on campus. I'd walk in every

915
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: day be sitting there waiting for me, and I would

916
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: at the end of basketball season, I would go two

917
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: weeks without coffee. I would get cold turkey because I

918
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: felt like I became numb to the to the caffeine,

919
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: and you know, it was like three days a headaches,

920
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: and then I was fine that I'd slowly kind of.

921
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: Work my way back up to the next basketball season.

922
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've been a coffee coffee guy most of the.

923
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 5: Last Yeah, it must be an Oklahoma State thing, because

924
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 5: when Phil Forte worked for me, he literally had to

925
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 5: have two to three cups of coffee every day. It

926
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 5: was amazing he had. I bet he had some type

927
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 5: of lifetime membership with Starbucks because that dude loved his coffee.

928
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: So maybe it was maybe it was an Oak State well.

929
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: And then and then when I had when we had

930
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: my son, So this is in two thousand and nine,

931
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: my son was He's he was always an up early.

932
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever cried, but he'd get up early,

933
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: so I'd scoop him up and I'd take him to Starbucks,

934
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: and he was like he was like the local celebrity

935
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: of the Starbucks. Put him in this little Starbucks rolling

936
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: high chair. I'd you know, give him a bowl of

937
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: cheerios and maybe on the you know, bring up bringing

938
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: a computer sometimes, or I'd just entertain him and then

939
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: I would get on my own computer and I would

940
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: do some a bunch of reading on sports, have my

941
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: cup of coffee.

942
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: People stop by and say hi, like that was what

943
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: we do.

944
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: So everybody in the house could sleep because he was

945
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: up at you know, crack a dawn. So that became

946
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: kind of our that became our thing. So he was

947
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: he was I say, my son was raised in the Starbucks.

948
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: That's hilarious. That's awesome. Yeah, all right.

949
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: So so now this is twenty three years later. What's

950
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: the anniversary, man, what are we doing tonight?

951
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna do today.

952
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take her down today and she is due

953
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 5: for a new a new ride. We're gonna go down

954
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 5: today and we're gonna look for a new ride for her.

955
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 5: And then there is a place here in Las Cruces

956
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 5: called the Double Eagle.

957
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: That's an old house, got a lot of history in it,

958
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 3: and the food is absolutely fabulous.

959
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 5: So my cousin, he and his wife are leaving Texas

960
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 5: today and they're driving to Arizona. My little cousin just

961
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 5: finished med school and she's doing her She got her

962
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 5: clinicals in Phoenix, and they're going to move out or

963
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 5: drive out.

964
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: There and stay for about three months and hang out

965
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: with her.

966
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 5: And so they're going to stop in I think tonight

967
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 5: on the way and we're gonna we're going to take

968
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 5: them out to eat.

969
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: And uh that's about it.

970
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 2: Man.

971
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a I'm not the extravagant guy.

972
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: Where we got some you know.

973
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: Get a new ride, and you get a good meal.

974
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good day for her.

975
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: I would I think so too. Yeah.

976
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: So here's one more basketball question. You mentioned your emotion.

977
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: You grew up in emotion offense in college. Ye can

978
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: you run emotion anymore?

979
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that?

980
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: Will that ever come back around? Because I asked because

981
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know, Uh, with ur Brieles being the

982
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: the ad at her high school in Stevenville, is what

983
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: our Briels did was he just evolved the triple option, right,

984
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: and that you asked. You ask anybody who's a football

985
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: guy that like, they're just running veer. The only difference

986
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: is you know the splits and now you got what

987
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: you got quarterback second throw out of it. So when

988
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: people thought the wishbone or the triple option was dead,

989
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: Art Briles and uh and rich Rod, those guys brought

990
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: it back, right, and now it's read option whatever. It's

991
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: the same thing, you know, same same, same schemes, a

992
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: little bit different blocking and obviously now you throw the

993
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: ball out of it. Is there a world where, because

994
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: the motion offense is it's not all the way dead,

995
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: but it's mostly dead. Is there a world where it

996
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: comes back?

997
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 2: Man?

998
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think you and I are how

999
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: old are you were?

1000
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 2: Forty forty seven?

1001
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: No, you're way younger than me. Don't you think things

1002
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 5: always come back around?

1003
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: I do. That's why That's why I asked the question.

1004
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: I just so I.

1005
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 3: Think it will.

1006
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 5: I mean, but come on, now, you how much patience,

1007
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 5: Like how much patience does it take to run emotion?

1008
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's more than patience though, it's like.

1009
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: Read reading, understanding patients.

1010
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: But well right, no, but it's it's not just readn't understand.

1011
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: I remember we just.

1012
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: Talked about this where kids aren't you know, like if

1013
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: you go in a gym and you show a kid

1014
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: how to play off of a off of a pin

1015
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: down or off of screening action like you said, where

1016
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: you have to read, like you're gonna have to and

1017
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: as like your your programs for example, like yeah, you

1018
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: have kids that have played college basketball before, but they

1019
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: haven't ever played motion basketball before, so you'd have to

1020
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: and you're expected and they expect to play right away,

1021
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: and you expect them to play right away. So it

1022
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: makes all of it very very difficult, you know, to

1023
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: establish Hey, we're going to run motion, you know. I

1024
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: mean even I mean like I spent a bunch of

1025
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: time with Beard last year and he's like, just you

1026
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: don't have enough time with him.

1027
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 5: You can't really, Yeah, but you know what I mean.

1028
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 5: Obviously you know, Beard and I are are very very

1029
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 5: close and we've talked about this though, like you know

1030
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 5: how much time it foot takes, Like you know, if

1031
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 5: they get there in the summer, you got to start.

1032
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: That motion stuff then, and you know, and he's I.

1033
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 5: Mean, I don't know what he's going to do this year,

1034
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 5: but I mean even last year in Texas, I mean

1035
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 5: they were still running it. And now it's obviously, you know,

1036
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 5: evolved into a ball screen a lot quicker than it

1037
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 5: used to be, right, But he still has those concepts.

1038
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: He's still trying to.

1039
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 5: Do those concepts as well, you know, the coach night

1040
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 5: concepts of the motion. But it's just hard because you know,

1041
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 5: like for example, we do some you know, kind of

1042
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 5: pin down on each side to get the ball to

1043
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 5: the wing right because in the whack, like people just

1044
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 5: deny the wing. They won't let you catch the ball.

1045
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 5: So you got to get open and get the ball

1046
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 5: to the wing. And you know, so you'll set the

1047
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 5: pen downs to get open and my staff is like, oh, Coach,

1048
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 5: let's just run the little pin down on both sides.

1049
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, that's fine, but you know all

1050
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 5: guys defensively are going to do is just run right

1051
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 5: up the middle of it, right, And so then if

1052
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 5: they do that, are you going to fade it? Like

1053
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 5: do you know how to push off on that guy

1054
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 5: and turn the screen and fade it because if they

1055
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 5: don't wish they don't. Now we got to work on that.

1056
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 5: So now that takes more practice. We got to learn

1057
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 5: how to We got to learn how to fade the

1058
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 5: down screen if the guy goes over the top, and

1059
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 5: if he's gonna follow his footsteps, are we gonna curl it?

1060
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 5: Are we just going to pop out to the wing

1061
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 5: to get the ball of the wings so we can

1062
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 5: run the play? So you're right, I mean the timing

1063
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 5: that it takes. But I don't know. I mean, I

1064
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 5: don't know the coaching wise, Like you know, how long

1065
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 5: it takes for you to teach him that, and then

1066
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 5: you're worried and you're going to look up and it's

1067
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 5: like November the eighth and you're playing your first game,

1068
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 5: and yet you don't really have enough stuff in because

1069
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 5: you've been working so much on teaching them how to

1070
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 5: read a flare screen.

1071
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 3: So I don't know. It's tough, you know.

1072
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 5: And it's funny that you said that about Brows because

1073
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 5: so when I was at Charleton, in order to make

1074
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 5: a little bit more money, Coach Reachman gave me like

1075
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 5: an assistant ad job. And my job was on Friday nights,

1076
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 5: I would open and close the football stadium for Stevenville

1077
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 5: High School, and you know, and open open it up

1078
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 5: for the referees to come in and you know, the coach,

1079
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 5: the visiting team and everything, and so uh man, I

1080
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 5: can't tell you how many coaching staffs for the visitors

1081
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 5: that I would see basically getting in almost fistfights at

1082
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 5: halftime because they couldn't figure out how to guard browser stuff.

1083
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it was hilarious.

1084
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 5: Like one time I remember took the tight end and

1085
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 5: literally he was just on the line of scrimmage and

1086
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Speaker 5: no one was gardening, and he just took off running

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Speaker 5: down the field and they just fall to him, and

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Speaker 5: like you know, it was halftime and these two coaches

1089
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 5: are like out there fighting each other.

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Speaker 3: You know, like, man, you should have had a guy

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Speaker 3: over there on this. And it was just crazy.

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Speaker 5: How you just measmerized people and messed with their heads offensively,

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean the guy was just a guy. Was doing

1095
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 3: this for that guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant, but it was it was.

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Speaker 1: It just it's fascinating to me on how it's something

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00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: that people had done for one hundred years in terms

1099
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: of running the veer and then he just tweaked it,

1100
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: put a little two thousand, you know, a little new

1101
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: look on it, and threw the ball out of it

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00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: and every and it dominated college football and still kind

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00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: of is.

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Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I think he got that maybe from

1105
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 5: his predecessor, you know, the coaching omen at u of

1106
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 5: h I think you know, he had worked there and

1107
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 5: played there, and I think that was it. He took

1108
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 5: all that stuff, as you said, and he just put

1109
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 5: a little twist to it, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, And I think that's what we all tried to do.

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00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know a couple of years ago, everybody started

1112
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 5: running this kind of ballscreen motion, and you know, we

1113
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 5: took on it. We took it on and then you know,

1114
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 5: we kind of took a little turn and changed it

1115
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 5: up a little bit. And the guy that I really

1116
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 5: got most of the stuff from and what we changed

1117
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 5: was Mark Pope. You know, when he was at Utah

1118
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 5: Valley and we played him and we were running a

1119
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 5: little similar stuff to it, and that was the year

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 5: that they were really good. That was his last year

1121
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 5: before he went to Brigham Young And uh, I mean,

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00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 5: he's a really good coach and he did a lot

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00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 5: of stuff out of that ball screen motion, and we

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00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 5: stole it, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I even called him a few times and his

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00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: assistance and.

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00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 5: Said, hey, you know, y'all kind of made a turn

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00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 5: and twist to this, this and this and why did

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00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 5: you do that? And you know, and he kind of

1130
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 5: explained it all and it made sense, and you know,

1131
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 5: we put a little bit of a twist on that,

1132
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 5: and you know, it's good stuff. But I think we're

1133
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 5: all trying to do that now. We're just trying to

1134
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 5: figure out, you know, Doug, the thing I fight with

1135
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 5: the most is when you get a really ball dominant

1136
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 5: point guard who's really good with it and who can

1137
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 5: really really make plays, but just trying to get reversals,

1138
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 5: you know, trying to get the ball from one side

1139
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 5: of the floor to the other. To me, that's what

1140
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 5: we fight with every year. And you know, defensively, that's.

1141
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 3: What you want. You want people to keep the ball

1142
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 3: on one side of the floor. You know, we're trying

1143
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: to get a guard.

1144
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: Here's here's my Mark Pope story.

1145
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: You can you can appreciate this switching schools down is

1146
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: Dave Rice when he left left his cell phone number,

1147
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: Mark Pope.

1148
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: Pope got his cell phone number.

1149
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: So when Dave Rice got the UNLV job, there was

1150
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: a year where I did thirteen UNLV games in Vegas

1151
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: when I was at CBS, and.

1152
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: My pattern was the same.

1153
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: I was living southern California, I was working for CBS,

1154
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: and so I would text day before I get on

1155
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: the Southwest flight and I'd fly there and then I

1156
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: would go and I would just a lot of times

1157
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: go with the day of the game and I would

1158
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: go straight from mcaren right to his office.

1159
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 2: And Dave was amazing. He would you know, he'd we'd

1160
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: just talk anyway.

1161
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have this like you

1162
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: know you have sometimes you just had his new number,

1163
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: but had his old number and you.

1164
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: Just text Dave Rice.

1165
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: And I can't tell how many times I would text

1166
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: Dave Rice, hey, man, are you in your office?

1167
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: You know, nowhere on the road, Like I was Mark,

1168
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: this is Pope.

1169
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: I kept texting Mark Pope thinking it was Dave Rice,

1170
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: and he would correct me, and I just never took

1171
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: it out of my phone for the forever. So that

1172
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: was that, Yeah, like, hey, dude, you gotta changes you

1173
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta change this number. All right, Well, listen,

1174
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: you've been more than graciously your time. Happy anniversary.

1175
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry too, I'm sorry it took forever for us

1176
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 5: to get together and get on this thing, and man,

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00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 5: whatever you need from us anytime, we'd love to have

1178
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 5: you over and hopefully we can.

1179
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: Get this thing. Hopefully we can get this thing going.

1180
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 5: Man, we we need.

1181
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: To find a couple of more big guys.

1182
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 5: So if you find any, if you find any laying around,

1183
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 5: holler at me and let me.

1184
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: Know, no question, that's that's what everybody, everybody's looking for.

1185
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: Always got a guy, Hey, man, have the anniversary. Thanks

1186
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: for joining me.

1187
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: Hey, I appreciate you man anytime, Thank you, thanks for

1188
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: having me.

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00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: Thanks Coach, well, that was awesome. And just a reminder.

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Speaker 1: The Doug Gottlieb Show runs daily three to five Eastern

1191
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific plus. We have a one hour daily podcast.

1192
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1193
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Speaker 1: it out, listen to it. I think you'll really really

1194
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: like it. Anyway, thanks so much for listening. But thanks

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Speaker 1: to Coach shooting for his time, I'm doun out like

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Speaker 1: this is alma

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Speaker 2: Ye