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Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass, an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my Little Peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass. This

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Speaker 1: is Frosted Tips Me and you have a very special

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Speaker 1: co host today. All Right, if you listen to my

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Speaker 1: old show, you're gonna know this one from New York.

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Speaker 2: Jay Dizzle's with us today.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Jad Myers? For everyone else it doesn't know?

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Speaker 3: Put in the special and special guests.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm excited to have you on.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately Michael is in Florida this week we will be

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Speaker 1: missing him, but super excited to have you back on

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Speaker 1: the show because you know your fan favorite.

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Speaker 3: You know what it's been, it's been, it's been a minute.

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Speaker 1: Well and especially on this show because you have such

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Speaker 1: great boy band ties. So I think you're perfect for

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Speaker 1: this interview with Robbie Williams today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been flirting with this whole like not quite

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Speaker 3: in a boy band, but like adjacent.

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Speaker 2: It's like, uh, not yet a woman, not yet a

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Speaker 2: pop star.

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Speaker 1: You might recognize JD from making the band on ABC.

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Speaker 3: Yes they shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Are you still salty that you do? Didn't make the

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Speaker 2: final five?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, you know what you get. You've got your

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Speaker 3: timeline confined, idea, give it to I did not come

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Speaker 3: into the Otown universe until season three of making the

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Speaker 3: band when switch MTV like the audition process, No no,

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Speaker 3: I came in late. They were looking, they were looking

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Speaker 3: for some storylines and they had just moved to MTV

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Speaker 3: and had a bunch of episodes to pill. Reality TV

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Speaker 3: had just like taken off. So I can imagine the

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Speaker 3: producers were like, let's do a talent search in Orlando

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Speaker 3: and let's help Otown find somebody they're going to get

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Speaker 3: help them, just like somebody helped them.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you get on this show, but also

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Speaker 1: you sign with Johnny Wright, our manager, start a band

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Speaker 1: out of blue?

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Speaker 2: Which is you? And who was it?

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Speaker 3: His name is Ricky Yeah, no, no, Ricky Dejeon, Ricky

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Speaker 3: Jean Yeah, like the mustard Yeah, sweet especial Ricky. These days,

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, you know what I've always wondered. No,

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Speaker 3: not at all. It was a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: you know, not so great breakup.

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Speaker 2: Oh what happened to give us.

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Speaker 3: The scoo Oh, there's there's some it's you know, I

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Speaker 3: you know, I have a hard time keeping concise. I

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Speaker 3: was a replacement. It was originally a duo and it

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Speaker 3: was Ricky and this other guy. The other guy got

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Speaker 3: how do I say this, put in jail for statutory rate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right.

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Speaker 3: I think he was like twenty three, twenty four, hooked

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Speaker 3: up with a younger than sixteen year old. All right,

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Speaker 3: got put in jail. And that was so I was

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Speaker 3: I was brought in to replace him. Did all that

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Speaker 1: How many songs did Joe end up recording without him?

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Speaker 1: Would you consider that a boy band or two guys

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Speaker 4: I mean I think so.

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Speaker 3: We were rehearsing at one point to open for you

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Speaker 3: guys in Europe.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, I'm sorry we were never asked about that.

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Speaker 3: I know. No, you could talk to me Lindo about it.

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Speaker 1: We would have accepted. Yeah, well, I'm glad you're on

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Speaker 1: the show today. Robbie's coming in now. I know you're

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Speaker 1: a big fan, big thing we all are. The fun

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Speaker 1: thing is, I don't really know much about Take That,

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Speaker 1: but Take That has a huge part of our career

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Speaker 1: because if it wasn't for those guys, we would have

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Speaker 1: never gotten signed to BMG, which is fascinating. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't even know that. And I forgot to tell Gary

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Speaker 1: Barlow that too when he was on the show, Like.

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Speaker 3: How did you remember that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I just forgot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know more Robbie after take

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Speaker 1: that because they were only together five years, you know,

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Speaker 1: And then it was, you know, Robbie Williams the Solar Artist,

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Speaker 1: which went off to do made jah so many things, mate.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at all the stats. I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 1: we have royalty coming in.

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Speaker 3: He's he's incredible.

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Speaker 1: I really don't know much about that, so you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to fake well. They were to take off, I

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Speaker 1: and it was like blowing up and then they broke up.

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Speaker 2: But over in Europe and the rest of the world

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Speaker 3: But then Robbie came in. I remember late nineties. I

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Speaker 3: I think actually I just started watching BBC America and

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Speaker 3: I was like, this is the coolest thing ever. And

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Speaker 3: they kept showing videos and things and I'm like, who's

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Speaker 3: this guy, angels Man Angels Millennium, Millennium like so many.

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Speaker 2: Was someone was taking his face off. That was Millennium.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so good.

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Speaker 1: I mean he yeah, he led the way in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: and in fact he was he was awarded the best

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Speaker 1: artist of the decade of the nineties, the whole decade.

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Speaker 3: That's wild because there were some really good I the

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Speaker 3: whole nineties.

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Speaker 2: The whole nineties, well in Europe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, we're gonna take a little break

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Speaker 1: right here as a Jay Dizzel here changes his pants

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Speaker 1: because he's getting real excited right now that Robbie just

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Speaker 1: got into the building. So when we come back, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have the one and only Robbie Williams.

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Speaker 5: He said, I love you and then picked someone else.

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Speaker 5: They haven't spoken in seven years. For the first time

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Speaker 5: since their television breakup, they are reunited. Bachelor Ben Higgins,

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Speaker 5: Bachelorette Joe, Joe Fletcher, and Jordan Rogers together for the

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Speaker 5: first time and you get to.

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Speaker 4: Hear it all.

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Speaker 6: Join Ashley I and Ben Higgins, along with Jojo Fletcher

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Speaker 6: and Jordan Rodgers on the Almost Famous podcast available now

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Speaker 6: wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Please welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Robert Peter Williams, English singer songwriter found his fame as

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Speaker 1: a member of the group Take That from ninety to

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Speaker 1: ninety five, achieved commercial success after launching a huge solo

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Speaker 1: career in ninety six. Discography includes seven UK number one

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Speaker 1: singles and all but one of his fourteen studio albums

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Speaker 1: have reached number one in the UK. Six of his

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Speaker 1: the UK, with two of them in the top sixty.

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Speaker 1: Gained a Guinness World Record in two thousand and six

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Speaker 1: for selling one point six million tickets in a single

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Speaker 1: day during his Close Encounters tour. Williams has received a

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Speaker 1: record eighteen brit Awards, winning Best British Male Artists four times,

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Speaker 1: Lasting impact on British Alter, eight German Echo Awards, three

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Speaker 1: was inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame after

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Speaker 1: being voted get this the greatest artist of the freaking nineties. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a whole decade Robbie Williams, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Wow, was that all right?

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Speaker 2: Because if it is, that's insane?

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Speaker 4: It is it is all right, and it is insane.

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Speaker 2: Is it overwhelming to just to hear that?

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Speaker 4: Now? Yeah, because I'm just you know, when people introduce

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Speaker 4: you and they they say your stats or they say

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Speaker 4: what you did, how it was, how big, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 4: what does it feel like to you in that moment

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Speaker 4: while that's happening.

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Speaker 2: It's a little embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: I get like I kind of like, go uh okay,

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Speaker 1: but I don't really think about it too much. Like

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Speaker 1: I always pretend that I just it never really I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just pretend no one really knows who

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Speaker 4: Okay, now, just go with it. So that's that's what

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Speaker 4: it because I'm glad you said that. So, like, I

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Speaker 4: wonder what it's like, as a British person with British

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Speaker 4: while those things are happening. Mainly like, yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: Of it, right, That's that's the biggest thing. And I

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Speaker 1: you feel like I don't deserve this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like why do I Why do I get this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's all kinds of odd.

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Speaker 4: It's all kinds of odd. I it's it's beautiful that

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Speaker 4: not it's not what you think. It's not like, yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm incredible. I deserve all of this and I walk

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Speaker 4: I've achieved. Life isn't like that. Yeah, you know, we

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 1: It's like you're told, oh, be confident, but also be humble.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, where does it all? I mean, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you present yourself. I know, but I think you've been

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Speaker 2: Let's start.

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Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on your voice, by the way, for

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Speaker 4: this sort of stuff is un freaking believable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a voice for radio right here? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what what do you? What is your do?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Please?

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Speaker 2: Singer too.

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Speaker 1: So I've known Jay Dizzle here for whoa I mean

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Speaker 1: twenty five years Yeah, from Orlando. Uh was in a

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Speaker 2: So we kind of met through all of.

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Speaker 3: That, right, it was like a baby pop star to

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Speaker 2: Became Well, there was a lot of drama behind it.

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Speaker 4: Only that so you were like in a I know,

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Speaker 4: I've seen the drama. I've seen the documentary, which is fascinating,

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Speaker 4: and I'm sorry. I'm sorry that all of that happened.

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Speaker 2: It taught me a lot.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's everybody's story from a gol band or a boy

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Speaker 4: band is roughly the same.

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Speaker 4: It's roughly the same. So how old were you when

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Speaker 4: Twenty one? I was fifteen, Yeah, I was fifteen, just

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Speaker 4: audition for take that, auditioned and then yeah, we started

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Speaker 4: when I was sixteen. So the thing is with that factory,

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Speaker 4: it's kind of like K poppy before the K pop

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Speaker 4: stuff happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder because I think of the K

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Speaker 4: Absolutely unchecked one, unchecked militant military stuff that is going on,

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Speaker 4: high grade. And when the stories come out, and they will,

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Speaker 4: they will come out eventually. Can't do that to people forever.

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Speaker 4: They will come out. It's going to be massive.

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Speaker 2: Did your mom do any music or she?

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Speaker 4: But she was she was the drive. Yeah, she was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my father was the charisma and my mother has

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Speaker 1: When you started, and I don't know it was take

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm wearing my New Kids on the Block.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yeah? I love New Kids on the Block. And

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Speaker 4: Well they we only exist because they existed.

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Speaker 4: send them a sheet and we do all of these gigs,

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Speaker 4: was dead. So eventually I think we've got twenty five

445
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 4: thousand addresses, and they signed the they signed the database.

446
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 4: And what's interesting now is that the you know, data

447
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 4: is king.

448
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: Again every social media everything.

449
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 4: Did you know that each individual person's data is worth

450
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 4: or data it's worth twenty five to thirty dollars each person.

451
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 4: So if you think that we had twenty five thousand

452
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 4: people's addresses, we had twenty five quid thirty quids worth

453
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 4: each on those things. So that's why we got signed

454
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 4: another sliding door, another slide the door. If you know,

455
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 4: if it wasn't for the new kids, we wouldn't have existed.

456
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 4: If it wasn't for take that, then maybe you know,

457
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: you would have found another avenue.

458
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: And especially the nineties early nineties, like you said, grunge,

459
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: all these different genres were just melting together. And I

460
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: mean hip hop was just really exploding at that time,

461
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: and yes, pop was kind of fizzling out. Did you

462
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: think that it could ever be as big as y'all

463
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: got when y'all first started the band after seeing that, okay, yeah,

464
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: pop's kind of going well.

465
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 4: It existed in gray area once again. You know it

466
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: existed for me. I've been given Willie Wonker's golden ticket

467
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: and it simply must work. At the same time, mixed

468
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 4: in there with feelings of you know, I don't know,

469
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 4: it just simply had to and I you can never account,

470
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 4: you can never dream what is actually going to happen.

471
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 4: You can never think no until you're experiencing, and.

472
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: It's never going to go the way that you actually

473
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: dream anyway.

474
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 4: No, No, it was did we think. We thought lots

475
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: of different things, but it simply had to because there

476
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 4: was nothing. There was literally I left school when I

477
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 4: was just turned sixteen, no qualifications. I've since found out

478
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: that I'm dyspraxic dyslexic dyscalculates. You know, I passed no

479
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: exams that.

480
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: You had to be an artist.

481
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 4: Oh, I had to exist on hutzpur.

482
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

483
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 4: Fortunately my hutzpur found a home.

484
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: Yes it did. I mean I feel the same way.

485
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: I started sixteen and there was nothing else I could do.

486
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this was this was my life, and I

487
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine. I cannot imagine what else I would be

488
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: wanting to do besides music and entertainment. It would suck

489
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: when y'all started. Because I'm always wondering where this term

490
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: boy band came from. We can't figure it out. I

491
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a German term or a British term,

492
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: but one of those countries did it. When you first

493
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: started out and new kids on the block, were they

494
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: called boy bands then? Because in America there was just

495
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: pop group. There was no such word as boy band

496
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: until no, they actually boys came through.

497
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there wasn't an abundance of boy bands girl

498
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 4: bands before take that. There was a boy band which

499
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: was new kids on the block, and then there was

500
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: Balbiv Devot, which I'm massive fan of. To love bal

501
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: Biv Devot, but I can't, off the top of my

502
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 4: head think of anybody else that existed, and New Kids

503
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 4: on the Block and Balbiv Devot weren't called boy bands.

504
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: And then there was another bad creation, and then there

505
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 4: was Bobby Brown's.

506
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: One Yeah, what new Edition, New Audition, new Addition.

507
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 4: But I don't believe that they were called that. I

508
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 4: don't believe they were called boy bands.

509
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: I may, and they weren't even really called boy bands

510
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: until recent time. Now that the word kind of encompasses

511
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: so many different groups and everyone's kind of because I

512
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: think every group started like, don't call my boy band

513
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: leaving us. We're like, oh, that term just seems so negative,

514
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: especially when you spent so much time over in Germany

515
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: and there's five hundred of these manufactured bands that lip

516
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: sync and you're like, but we really sing and we

517
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: really like to write stuff, and you just felt they

518
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: were just degrading you by using that word.

519
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think that when you're in a

520
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 4: when there is, when you're in a pop group like

521
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: we are and we were, there's a lot to sort

522
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 4: of feel bad about because you're just on that level

523
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: because all of your peers are into something else. Yeah,

524
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 4: and you are your peers, you know. So I'm I

525
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 4: was into Onyx and Have Some Pain and Public Enemy,

526
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 4: and I didn't look like any of that. Those people

527
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 4: we weren't singing those songs.

528
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: As I mean, I was like silver Chair was my favorite.

529
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 4: There you go. So there is a there is a

530
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 4: there is a shame attached to being in a boy

531
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: band where it's sort of like enforced from naive and young,

532
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 4: where we where our references, our influences on our sleeve.

533
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 4: And if you're not part of this tribe, then you know,

534
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 4: there was there was an embarrassment about being in a

535
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 4: boy band because the big boys didn't like it.

536
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

537
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you well, I think your mom's the

538
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: one who heard about the audition first for Take That,

539
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: and she's the one who said, go do this. What

540
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: did you think when your mom was telling you about

541
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: this band? Were you immediately like, yes, this is exactly

542
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: what I want to do.

543
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

544
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've done a few auditions for TV stuff without

545
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: any success. I heard your East I was only Stenders,

546
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 4: but I was only Stenders after I left Take That.

547
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah my Wilderness years yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And

548
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: so I had a few auditions unsuccessful. I was doing

549
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: amateur stuff in Stoke and I was enjoying that, and

550
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 4: then this audition came up, and of course it sounded

551
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 4: like the dream and it sounded thrilling, and you know

552
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: that there may be a chance that there might be

553
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 4: a spot for me and it who knows, I don't know,

554
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: but yeah, it was. It was thrilling. Was it the

555
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: same for you? It was?

556
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

557
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean it was weird because it won an audition

558
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: process for in Sync. Chris koh Patrick and our group

559
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: wanted to put a group together, and so he just

560
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: kind of called all of us and said, hey, you

561
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: want to you want to sing together like an a

562
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: cappella group. And I'm like, sure, I'll come down to

563
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: Orlando and give up my life and.

564
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: Quit school to do this. But it just felt right.

565
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: It just I don't know, I just felt the first

566
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: time we sang together, it was just magic. I'm like, Okay,

567
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: there's there's something here.

568
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: And of course were the songs any good at that point.

569
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: No, because we didn't have money to even have a song,

570
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: so we were just sang a cappella stuff and if you.

571
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: Or any so yeah, yeah, yeah, as yet.

572
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: But you know, we did do a demo and I

573
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: remember one of our songs was one of your songs,

574
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: Gosh I forget because Lou Pelman pretended he wrote it

575
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: and he changed the lyrics to uh, I want you

576
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: back for more Wow, And it was on a B

577
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: side of our demo, and I remember playing it for

578
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: someone They're like, well, that's a take that song, Like, no,

579
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: it's not. It's an original song. Luke Proman wrote it.

580
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: They're like, now, and then they play your song wow,

581
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: Well like what a liar? So yeah, so we we

582
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: totally ripped off one of y'all songs and that was

583
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: a B side of Yeah.

584
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: Well I don't know the publishing, so that so fine. Yeah,

585
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: how how interesting to be put in with a fantasist.

586
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: It's such a vulnerable age where you know, you're you're

587
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: looking to the elders for guidance and mentorship and full

588
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: and trust.

589
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: So many people at that age.

590
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, fantasists can often be very charismatic and charming and lovable,

591
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: you know, and yeah, I'm really sorry that happened to you.

592
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, look, a lot of negativity happened, but

593
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: also a lot of positive things.

594
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: Came out of that.

595
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I wouldn't be sitting here today if

596
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have to go through all that.

597
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: And I'm glad I went through it young.

598
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of learned our lessons very young,

599
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: and I was able to kind of, you know, learn

600
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: this and and go forward in life with one eye open.

601
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

602
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: I do you.

603
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: Do you or do any of the other boys harbor

604
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: resentments for what happened?

605
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: Uh?

606
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: No?

607
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: I mean I used to. For sure.

608
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: It took me a lot of therapy to find forgiveness

609
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of areas. But now I just look

610
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: back just happy about everything that has.

611
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: I remember watching the documentary and seeing you talk about

612
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 4: it and just thinking he's so pleasant about it.

613
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: Well, that documentary is what kind of changed it for me. Okay,

614
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: it was cathartic to do that.

615
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: I was. I was looking at you and thinking, yeah,

616
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: you looked so at ease. You look and you looked painfree,

617
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: and I think that, my my, what what happened to

618
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: me and how I was treated? There's still I mean,

619
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: like I harbor, I harbor resentments, you know, like I'm

620
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 4: taking care of a frank.

621
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Still, you know you hold this inside.

622
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: Well, less than it was. But I'm not. I'm not

623
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: at a place that you seem to.

624
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: Be, you know, Like I said, lots of therapy and

625
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: and I think doing that dark just really.

626
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: Let me use those tools that I learned.

627
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just I just forgiveness is a big tool.

628
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: It's amazing when you can truly get to that that level.

629
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, forgive. Forgiveness is the key, you know, And I'm not.

630
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: I'm not very good at it. Yeah, and it makes

631
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 4: me sad, you know, And I just I relate it

632
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: to so many things in my life, not just that period.

633
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: Those people be it the everything. It's like I I

634
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: walk around and people have nine acres in my mind

635
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 4: and I'm better at it than I was, but I

636
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: should be a bit further down the line than I

637
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 4: than I actually am.

638
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Do you think that stems from like family experiences or

639
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: just being in this crazy business at a young age.

640
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: I think family experiences being in this crazy business also

641
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: using it as fuel, because you know, anger and resentment

642
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: is addictive, and you know, and self righteous indignation can

643
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: fuel can hit some spots up in your brain somewhere.

644
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: But feel a lot of great art too, but feels.

645
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: A lot of great art. You know, I guess that

646
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: some of me, a lot of me, must enjoy being

647
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: angry in some part. But I also know how it

648
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: feels too unload resentments, and I know that what a

649
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 4: gift that is. I just wish that I could give

650
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: myself that gift more often. And congratulations to you being

651
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: able to unburden yourself with the wreckage of the past

652
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: created by fantasists and monsters.

653
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean it's it's I feel definitely lighter

654
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: for sure, because I didn't realize how heavy.

655
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: It was waiting on me for the last two decades.

656
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then yeah, finally I was like, no, I've

657
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: been holding onto this way too long our times, just like,

658
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: move on.

659
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 4: Do you know what we should do with me? And

660
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: you do a documentary where we go and explore all

661
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 4: the boy bands, all the girl bands and get their stock,

662
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: because like, you know, it's for me. It's fascinating that

663
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: all of our stories are basically the same.

664
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: That's what we realize on the show.

665
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: I've been doing this as January, and almost every interview

666
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's that's exactly what we went through.

667
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: And what it was as opposed to what people think

668
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: it is is fascinating, and like, I want to see

669
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: that documentary. So if I'm not in it or we're not,

670
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: we'll carry on. How we make it.

671
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: We just put in the universe it happens.

672
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 4: This is also oh my god, oh god, what can

673
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 4: you imagine if we're sort of like we we go

674
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: and sort of just like as boy band and you know,

675
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 4: father figures representatives go and expose the whole thing that's

676
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 4: happening over there with that lot.

677
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: That would be well, that would be like a season two.

678
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: We'll probably be shot. But season two you're thinking of

679
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: a streamer, you think so professionally, I'm just like documentary

680
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: a movie.

681
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: No, it's all about the docuseries these days. You know,

682
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: you got to give them stretching flowers exactly.

683
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: Michael, Michael, something is full many.

684
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: But imagine taking all these iconic band members right and

685
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: going back and having these therapy sessions with them and

686
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: confronting the people like the Loo Promans of the world

687
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: and sitting in front of them and like you know

688
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: what I forgive you, and getting them back on the

689
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: same page and getting people to apology.

690
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he died, what's making AI version?

691
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? Lou I'm sorry or whatever I did.

692
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: Have you got anything to apologize to Lou for?

693
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think so. Maybe I don't as

694
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: your friend, I'm gonna say. I mean, I don't know.

695
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: Maybe I did do something. I don't know.

696
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 4: I don't know why he would do that to us,

697
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 4: But no, I'm I mean something in that though. Yeah,

698
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 4: I'm excited. Okay, Okay, we're talking after this, all right. See,

699
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 4: Donna Wahlberg was on and I guess.

700
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm oh, you weren't on the show.

701
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm hosting one of his spinoff shows apparently because of

702
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: our interview, and now we're going to be doing documentary together.

703
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: See that's how we get things done.

704
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Guys, when you got in the band, what was the

705
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: dynamic like with the group, because especially when you know

706
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: you auditioned for a group, you're kind of forced to

707
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: be friends, and sometimes people personalities don't get you know,

708
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: you're I don't understand how a lot of these groups

709
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: serve like last that long when you just don't even

710
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: know if you like each other. And you guys were

711
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: only together five years, so I'm sure that the personalities

712
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: were clashed. I know you and Gary definitely clashed towards

713
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: the end there because we had Gary on. We talked

714
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. You're good now, apparently we're good.

715
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

716
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: So what was it like those like first couple of

717
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: years getting along with the guys. Did you know immediately like, oh,

718
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is gonna last too long?

719
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: Well, I was. I was very naive to what the

720
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 4: adult world was because you were the young young Yeah. Yeah,

721
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 4: And I was at school and I wasn't unpopular, you know,

722
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: we don't. We don't have the thing in the UK

723
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 4: really like the the nerds and the jocks and the

724
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 4: unpopular and the popular clicks. Yeah, there's a bullying that

725
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 4: happens at school, but none of it was like that

726
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: where the school that I.

727
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Was in, Were you the class clown? Were you like

728
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: the do you know?

729
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: We were all the class clos all of us were,

730
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, I was one of the class clowns.

731
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: So but I got on with everybody, you know, everybody.

732
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: So I just assumed that when you start in a

733
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: boy band, it's going to be another gang where you

734
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: get on with everybody. This is going to be so

735
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: much fun. The fraternity, yes, yes, And what actually happened

736
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: was my role in the band instantly became runt. You

737
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 4: know because at those years sixteen seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty,

738
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: the other boys were I was sixteen, they were.

739
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen eighteen is huge, huge.

740
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 4: Huge, and you're, you know, you're all young books, buying

741
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 4: for position in life, in show business, amongst each other,

742
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 4: with your with your own family, with your own circle

743
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 4: of friends, and you're just trying to figure out who

744
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 4: you are. My role became He's lazy, he's annoying, and

745
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: I just got the feeling that I was unliked and.

746
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 7: The annoying little brother, the annoying little brother, so much

747
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 7: so that I used to we used to rehearse, and

748
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 7: then I used to go home and then I used

749
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 7: to cry to my mom, and then it was like

750
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 7: I went to see my and I was like, I

751
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 7: can't do this.

752
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: They hate me. And you know, on management at the

753
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: time were difficult and to this day very litigious, So

754
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: they're just difficult, and you know, I was, I was

755
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: in pain from a very early part of the band,

756
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: very early stage. And I went to see my dad

757
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 4: and I was like, my dad worked on holiday camps,

758
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: which you don't have here in America. But he was

759
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: a compare loads of trailers basically where people would rent

760
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: them for the week and then there'd be an entertainment.

761
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: And I was like, Dad, I'm leaving the band, and

762
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: you're going to get me a job on the holiday camps.

763
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 4: And he was like, well, you're not working where I'm working,

764
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 4: and you'll make seventy five quit a week. You have

765
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: to do your own dishes, you have to do your

766
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 4: own food, you have to do your own clothes. And

767
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: I was like, and he said, do you know, He said,

768
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: you'll shoot yourself when they're number one, And I was like,

769
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 4: I think I'll stick this out. Yeah, and I'm glad

770
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 4: I did. But our relationship at the beginning formed, I

771
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 4: suppose the next thirty thirty two years. And it's the

772
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: It's the weirdest thing, you know, because I rejoined in

773
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: two thy and eleven or whatever it was, and you

774
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: just fall back in, You fall back into your roles

775
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: and who you were, like not a second has passed.

776
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: It's crazy how you are kind of putting a box

777
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: of who you are when you're in a band like that.

778
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: And I think the fans do it to the media

779
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: does it to you. But I was kind of the

780
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: same boat with you, where I wasn't the youngest in

781
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: the group, but they treated me like the youngest in

782
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: the group because I was not experienced at all, like

783
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: I I mean, I came from like a small town,

784
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: not in the business, and they would alway make fun

785
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: of me because of my accent. So they're always picking

786
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: on me, just always poking and picking on me, which

787
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: made me very introverted and like shy. And I became

788
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: the shy guy because I was always just picked on.

789
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know if these guys like me,

790
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: like I feel like they don't like me, so I

791
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: understand that, Like I get.

792
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 4: That, well, I didn't. I didn't introvert.

793
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: I pushed back, Yeah.

794
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: You know, I I'm I'm from you know, Stabbington. You

795
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 4: have to knife your way out to get out of

796
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 4: where I'm from, you know. And my reaction was to

797
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 4: be more annoying, to be more lazy, to be more you.

798
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 4: I will be up the latest, I will be up

799
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: the longest. You won't be able to find me.

800
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: See, we were suppressure feelings. Suppressure feelings, you know, don't

801
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: talk about anything just keep it all in zat. Oh.

802
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no talking about anything. But like I

803
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: wasn't I wasn't therapizing what was going on for me.

804
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 4: I was just going right, I'm going to take threes

805
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: and do tons of coke and drink lots of and

806
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: you can't control me.

807
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: And you started? When did you start your abuse with alcohol?

808
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: And was that immediately? Like at sixteen?

809
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: Dude? You know, like in the UK, the school gates

810
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: closed and the pub doors open. You know, you are

811
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 4: drinking at fourteen, you know, the minute that you develop

812
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: bumfluff on your face and you can you have a

813
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 4: tall friend, you're in a pub, you're in an off

814
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: license and you're boozing. So we are we are a

815
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 4: you know, a nation of alcoholics or function functioning alcoholics.

816
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 4: You know the the It's so normal alcohol in the UK,

817
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: It's like breathing. So when do you say, when did

818
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 4: it start? It's just been It was ever present. It's

819
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: just part of it for everybody.

820
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, because my hometown also was just alcohol and at

821
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: fourteen when you start really kind of drinking and it's

822
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: the only thing to do on the weekends. But I

823
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: never really saw drugs until like probably after in sync,

824
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: like even on the road, did not, was never privy

825
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: to any of that. Never saw cocaine never. I mean

826
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: marijuana every once in a while, but I just I

827
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: never smoked it. But yeah, I just never it was

828
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: never around really yeah, even in our town. It's just

829
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: maybe it's just because we were such a poor town

830
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: that drugs didn't even get there, so you just relied

831
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: on alcohol. But like I just never saw it. So yeah,

832
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: we just were basically alcoholics.

833
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, we we were surrounded. There was like the

834
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 4: outside of my door there was the guy selling marijuana

835
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 4: weed draw we used to call it just over there.

836
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 4: And then you could get acid from the guy just

837
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: down there, and then speed from the guy just you know,

838
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: it was like speed acid just within touching distance.

839
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: What was your you you were cocaine?

840
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: Right?

841
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: No, My big one, like my first soire into nightclubs

842
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 4: and drugs was acid and speed. And then because the

843
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 4: Summer of Love musically for house music happened in nineteen

844
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: eighty nine and that was my last year at school,

845
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 4: and then ecstasy just came in and it was just

846
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 4: just phenomenal, like taking the first one and just going

847
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: I think I want to feel like this forever. Yeah,

848
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 4: and so it was. Yeah, ecstasy was massive, and then

849
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: you know, I suppose that you want to keep the

850
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 4: party going and then out of nowhere when you're eighteen,

851
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: somebody's got some coke and oh, you come down off

852
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: this and then carry on doing this, and then coke

853
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 4: too cold, and coke was the very quick journey, one

854
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: way ticket into Hell's heaven.

855
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've been sober twenty years now, right.

856
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 4: I haven't had a drink for twenty three years. I

857
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 4: you know, I've tried loopholes all the way through that.

858
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: No.

859
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: Alcohol's been the constant, even though I'm an alcoholic and

860
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: I loved alcohol what it did to me when in

861
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: the good times. But I am an addict in its

862
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 4: truest sense, and I seek no. When I was drinking,

863
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 4: it was like, I'm not drinking anymore. I'm just having

864
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 4: white wine spritzer. That was my loophole there. I was drinking,

865
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 4: but I was thinking that I wasn't drinking and fly

866
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 4: on your face.

867
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

868
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: And then I was California and sober for quite a while.

869
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: And for those that don't know at home, is California

870
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: Sober is everything apart from weed. Yes, and you know

871
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 4: that the weed might as well be acid out here.

872
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: It's gotten so strong.

873
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: Oh dude, it's crackville, you know. So you know, and

874
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 4: I was doing that for a long time, and then

875
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: you know, you sort of you get expressive with pill

876
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 4: cabinets and whatever it's knocking about. Eventually I will take

877
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 4: but I've cut down all the loopholes. Four kids. I've

878
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 4: got four kids, and the loopholes have all closed now

879
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 4: because I'm not saying that I'm above relapsing even with

880
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: the four kids. My addiction doesn't know I've got four kids.

881
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 4: It just wants what it wants. But I'm on the

882
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 4: straightest and narrowest path that I've ever been on, and

883
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 4: life is good.

884
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

885
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: Kids can give you a good motivation to do that.

886
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: Is there a good tip out there for our listeners

887
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: that are addicts. I mean, you haven't had a drink

888
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: in twenty three years? What is your tip on being

889
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: able to do that? Is it the people you surround

890
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: yourself with?

891
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: Is it? It's all the above, you know, it's the

892
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: seeking help and wanted to be better, wanted to be

893
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 4: a better person. I wanted to be a better person,

894
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: you know, I.

895
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: Do you have to hit right bottom in order to

896
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: dude feel that.

897
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 4: I hit rock bottom and then got a spade out

898
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: and tried to dig a basement and then like put levels,

899
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: I dug a multi story car park underneath the basement.

900
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: You by yourself, by myself?

901
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 4: What? No? No, because like you know, you say rock

902
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: bottom because you know, twenty three years ago my last

903
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 4: drink wasn't a rock bottom. You know. It was embarrassing

904
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: and it was shameful. And what happened was I was

905
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 4: on my way somewhere and in my mind I went,

906
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 4: I've got enough money to drink myself to death. And

907
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: that was like a moment of yeah, just I'll just

908
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: become a lush and I'll drink myself to death. And

909
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: that was simply, you know, it felt as sane as

910
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: saying the Krispy Queen lights on, let's go get some

911
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 4: hot donuts, you know. And and the next day I

912
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 4: woke up after ease coke booze, and when, oh, that's

913
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 4: not sane. That what I thought last night is not saying.

914
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: When I took my feet to an AA meeting, did

915
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 4: ninety meetings in ninety days, and I've been I've been sober.

916
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 4: I've been sober ever since. What what tip would I

917
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 4: give to anybody? Oh? Man, bless you anybody that's going

918
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: through that out there. It's it's so unbelievably hallish and painful,

919
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: and you know, the isolation is desolate and despair cannot

920
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 4: be any more greater or any more found. And you

921
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: feel as though you have always lived this way and

922
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: you will live this way for the rest of your life.

923
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 4: And what's the point I can tell you on behalf

924
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: of all the other people that have put things down

925
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 4: a day at a time that your brain and your

926
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: mind is not telling you the truth. There is a

927
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 4: different life out of there, and all you have to

928
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 4: do is take action. Google is your friend. Yeah, I

929
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 4: think I'm drinking too much? What do I do? And

930
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 4: then read? And then do you know?

931
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 2: You know that you know you're not You're not alone

932
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: in it.

933
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 4: No, you're not alone in it. You don't have to

934
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: be alone in it. And it's you know, it's jack

935
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: Can I swear on this or yes you can. Yeah,

936
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 4: it's giant fockery. It's fockery of the the highest chiss

937
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: housery that you will ever go through, unfortunately, and it's

938
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 4: a it's a day to day thing, you know. But

939
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: here's the great thing about being This makes you an

940
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 4: X man. It makes you You've got you've got some

941
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 4: superpowers that you I don't know about, you know. And

942
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 4: if you plug into the other plug, your life will

943
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 4: give you abundance. And if you figure out who and

944
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 4: what you are, what your dealer is, and what you're

945
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 4: capable of, you can't be stopped.

946
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, stay tuned, guys, because we're gonna have

947
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: the second part of this interview come out tomorrow. I know,

948
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: I know, but good things come to those who wait,

949
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: So we'll continue then.

950
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951
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