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Speaker 2: Wednesday, November eighth, nineteen seventy two, a man hiking in
Speaker 2: a mountainous area just south of Gernonville, California, comes across
Speaker 2: a man's left hand sticking up from out of the ground.
Speaker 2: He's found a shallow grave. When the police examined the scene,
Speaker 2: they uncover a male body missing its right hand and head.
Speaker 2: There is no identification. They determined that animals have been
Speaker 2: at the body and must have taken the head in hand.
Speaker 2: The deceased is unidentified for the time being. A little
Speaker 2: more than a week earlier, on October thirtieth, police had
Speaker 2: arrested two men for robbing the Eden Square liquor store
Speaker 2: in Stockton. They gave their names as William Goucher and
Speaker 2: James Willett. The man calling himself Willlett was bailed out
Speaker 2: for ten thousand dollars. His arraignment was scheduled for November three,
Speaker 2: but he didn't show up. He skipped with the man,
Speaker 2: now a fugitive, The police take a closer look and
Speaker 2: determined that the missing man isn't James Willett, but is
Speaker 2: in fact a twenty four year old named Michael Montfort.
Speaker 2: Montford is wanted for escaping from a state prison camp.
Speaker 2: He is also a suspect in at least three bank
Speaker 2: robberies in the Los Angeles area. A confidential informant tells
Speaker 2: us Stockton police that Montford is driving a nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: five Ford station Wagon, white with wood paneling, and provides
Speaker 2: an address seven twenty West Flora. The plates on the
Speaker 2: car are registered to James Willett. In the meantime, police
Speaker 2: have determined that the body found in the Gernville grave
Speaker 2: is that of the real James Willett, the fake name
Speaker 2: used by Montfort after the liquor store robbery. It doesn't
Speaker 2: take much to connect the dots from there. The police
Speaker 2: drive by seven to twenty West Flora, a small ranch
Speaker 2: house on a narrow lot with a glassed in front
Speaker 2: porch facing the street. The station wagon isn't in the driveway,
Speaker 2: so they hold off, assuming that Montfort isn't home. They
Speaker 2: circle back later, and this time the car is in
Speaker 2: the driveway. It's a thirty at night. They move in
Speaker 2: They knock on the front door, which opens into the porch.
Speaker 2: Another door leads from the porch into the house. A
Speaker 2: woman named Sandy Pittman sticks her head out of the store.
Speaker 2: There is an ex marked and scar tissue on her forehead.
Speaker 2: She tries to brush off the cops, who are apparently
Speaker 2: in plane clothes, because one of them identifies himself as police,
Speaker 2: and she reacts by shutting the door. The cops continue
Speaker 2: knocking and state they have a warn to search the house.
Speaker 2: No one replies. The officers kicking the door and enter
Speaker 2: the house in force. They find two men, two women,
Speaker 2: and a baby in the living room. The baby's name
Speaker 2: is Heidi will Let. They let Sandy Pittman hold the
Speaker 2: baby and secure the other three adults. The cops can
Speaker 2: tell that the women were associated with Charles Manson because
Speaker 2: of the exes on their foreheads. There is Sandy and
Speaker 2: a woman named Priscilla Cooper. The men give their names
Speaker 2: as Earl Blake and Gordon Foot. These are false names.
Speaker 2: One of them is named James Craig. The other is
Speaker 2: actually Michael Monfort, who the police are looking for, but
Speaker 2: they don't know what he looks like, so they continue
Speaker 2: to search the house, searching for a man they have
Speaker 2: already found. In the back corner of a bedroom closet,
Speaker 2: they find a false floor. Beneath the floor they find
Speaker 2: James will Let discharge papers from the Marines. Still searching
Speaker 2: for Montfort, they examine the basement. It is about twelve
Speaker 2: feet by eighteen feet and has concrete walls about five
Speaker 2: feet high. There is a gap between the top of
Speaker 2: the concrete walls. In the house, dirt is laid under
Speaker 2: the rest of the house about four feet below the stringers.
Speaker 2: The cops see a brand new shovel with the handle
Speaker 2: partly sawed off, as well as a pickaxe. Also what
Speaker 2: seems to be a mound of freshly disturbed soil. Meanwhile, upstairs,
Speaker 2: the phone rings. A cop answers it. A woman says,
Speaker 2: the cop says.
Speaker 3: Where are you.
Speaker 4: At?
Speaker 5: The cops go to Bene Liquors. They pick up the woman,
Speaker 5: whose name is Lynette from I'm Toby Ball and I'm
Speaker 5: Mary Catherine Garrison. And this is rip current.
Speaker 6: Everybody is afraid script and that's what's holding things up.
Speaker 6: Nobody's contented right now. It's like the world is created,
Speaker 6: but their minds are all locked by a fear of.
Speaker 5: Their episode three, the Story of James and Lauren Lulette.
Speaker 2: When the Manton family was implicated in the Tate Loabianca murders,
Speaker 2: it was not just the brutality of the acts or
Speaker 2: the fame and glamour of the victims that made for
Speaker 2: good copy. It was the Manson family itself. It's as
Speaker 2: though all of Middle America's fears about youth culture were
Speaker 2: made flesh in this one small, ragged commune, and even
Speaker 2: more so in the person of Charles Manson. The press
Speaker 2: understood this and featured it in their reporting.
Speaker 3: The involvement of a mystical hippie plan which despised the straight,
Speaker 3: affluent society. Young girls, supposedly under the spell of a
Speaker 3: bearded s Bengully, were allegedly masterminded the seven murders. One
Speaker 3: of the girls was only sixteen years old.
Speaker 2: Time Magazine characterized Manson follower Susan Atkins's description of the
Speaker 2: Manson family in this way.
Speaker 7: She sketched out a weird story of a mystical, semi
Speaker 7: religious hippie drug and murder cold led by a bearded
Speaker 7: demonic Mahdi able to dispatch his zombie life. Followers, mostly girls,
Speaker 7: wearing hunting knives to commit at least eight murders, and
Speaker 7: police say possibly four others.
Speaker 2: It's a hell of a sentence with drugs, mysticism, Islam, murder,
Speaker 2: and mind control. Time knew its audience. Susan Atkins's father, meanwhile,
Speaker 2: seemed to speak for all Middle America parents who were
Speaker 2: mystified and troubled by what had happened to their kids.
Speaker 3: I think they're all on dope.
Speaker 7: And if you get under an a dope, you can be.
Speaker 3: Involved in almost anything because the hypnotic trans you won't
Speaker 3: do something that is basically against.
Speaker 8: Who but you know is right.
Speaker 3: But under dope you can do almost anything. When I
Speaker 3: do plan to stand by her side, and what undalley
Speaker 3: will be the trial, which is she faces, I don't
Speaker 3: know how to stand by her side.
Speaker 9: I lost her.
Speaker 3: I want society to stand by her side. I want
Speaker 3: society to stand by the side of every young person
Speaker 3: that can get involved in a situation like this.
Speaker 2: In her essay The White Album, Joan Didion described her
Speaker 2: impression when people in her social circle heard about the
Speaker 2: murders that Sharon Tate's rendered house on Cielo Drive. She wrote,
Speaker 2: the tension broke that day, the paranoia was fulfilled, but
Speaker 2: the tension had not broken. Among the people who remained
Speaker 2: Manson followers.
Speaker 8: There was a hardcore that was extremely loyal to Charlie,
Speaker 8: mainly women, but also some men, and once things became
Speaker 8: very real with murder charges and horrible crimes, alleged a
Speaker 8: lot of people who may not have been as close
Speaker 8: to the center.
Speaker 2: They split Lynette from biographer Jess Braven.
Speaker 8: They were not there for murder and certainly not there
Speaker 8: to go to prison, so they were gone. Other people
Speaker 8: may have been sort of attracted by the notoriety and
Speaker 8: come into the scene, So at this point it's a
Speaker 8: self selecting group.
Speaker 2: Lynette and a small group of women made a show
Speaker 2: of supporting Manson, hanging out outside the courthouse, eventually carving
Speaker 2: x's into their foreheads and shaving their heads and support.
Speaker 2: They also were involved in more active ways, though their
Speaker 2: plots were strange. Here's Lynette from her psychiatric interview before
Speaker 2: her trial for attempting to assassinate Gerald Ford.
Speaker 9: The time you were charged was something in the trial
Speaker 9: didn't come off.
Speaker 10: Who were charged with the.
Speaker 11: Dissuade the beginniness well was rang blade. It was not
Speaker 11: dropped The original charge was attempted murder. This was a
Speaker 11: case where a girl allegedly received a Hamberger with Ellis Dan.
Speaker 11: She allegedly received the hamburger in Hawaii.
Speaker 6: And at that time I was.
Speaker 11: In the States.
Speaker 2: Lynette is referring to a bizarre episode involving an eighteen
Speaker 2: year old Manson follower named Barbara Holt. She was not
Speaker 2: considered an important witness in the Manson trial, but Lynette
Speaker 2: and Ruth Anne Moorehouse, who was known as Wish, decided
Speaker 2: they needed to do something to prevent her from testifying.
Speaker 2: This led Wish to take Barbara to Hawaii, where they
Speaker 2: hold up at the Hilton Hawaiian Village Hotel. After three days,
Speaker 2: Wish told Barbara that she had to fly back to California,
Speaker 2: but that Barbara would stay in Hawaii until she returned.
Speaker 2: At the Honolulu airport, Wei Sh bought Barbara hamburger. Wish
Speaker 2: commented to Barbara that would be a crazy trip if
Speaker 2: the hamburger had been dosed with five thousand micrograms of LSD.
Speaker 2: That's ten times a normal dose, And of course the
Speaker 2: hamburger was dosed.
Speaker 1: I left the airport and she said, go to the beach.
Speaker 3: And I was thinking, you know, okay, I'll go to
Speaker 3: Waikiki Beach.
Speaker 8: And I got on a bus and I was starting
Speaker 8: to come on to it, and I was thinking about
Speaker 8: what she said about ten tabasass so just imagine there
Speaker 8: was ten taubs as, and then I just kind of flashed,
Speaker 8: there are ten thousands.
Speaker 2: Barbara ended up in the er. Her father flew to
Speaker 2: Hawaii to pick her up, and they returned to l A.
Speaker 2: She eventually did testify against Manson. Here is Lynette again
Speaker 2: from her psychiatric interview.
Speaker 11: Consequently, I accepted a disposition.
Speaker 7: Isn't that chill.
Speaker 5: See guilty and do some time or something?
Speaker 11: No content, I wouldn't believe guilty, but I did believe
Speaker 11: and received three months on the county jail.
Speaker 9: Okay, you feel while you were incarcerated it was that
Speaker 9: a red.
Speaker 10: Man trip or along orion. Well, because of the place,
Speaker 10: Los Angeles kind of jail is, I would say, a
Speaker 10: very bad place to be incarcerable because of it, how
Speaker 10: large it is.
Speaker 9: Being very impersonal, I try.
Speaker 11: But I've got on fine go along with the Innates life.
Speaker 5: From the time of his conviction for the Tate LaBianca
Speaker 5: murders until October nineteen seventy two, Charles Manson was an
Speaker 5: inmate on death row at San Quentin Penitentiary. He'd already
Speaker 5: been incarcerated for much of his life and he knew
Speaker 5: how to function in that environment. He was small, only
Speaker 5: five foot three, and well known, so he was a target.
Speaker 5: He needed to protect himself.
Speaker 8: You want to have friends, and he made friends with
Speaker 8: the Aryan Brotherhood, white prison gang that was, yes, i
Speaker 8: would say, dabbling in white supremacy, but more interested just
Speaker 8: in hardcore criminal activity inside and outside of prison, and
Speaker 8: essential arrangement seemed to be that they look out for
Speaker 8: him and his people on the outside. Mainly women like
Speaker 8: Lynette would help the AB guys when they got out
Speaker 8: of prison, or write to them while they are in prison,
Speaker 8: or or bring them things in prison. So it was
Speaker 8: a kind of a marriage of convenience between Manson and
Speaker 8: the Arian brother They each had something that the other
Speaker 8: party needed and so AB members would contact or be
Speaker 8: contacted by Lynette and other Manson women who were on
Speaker 8: the outside, and when they got out of prison, those
Speaker 8: women would be there to help them reintegrate, if you will,
Speaker 8: to society generally criminal society, criminal or underworld activity.
Speaker 4: Once they got out, they had a big flop house
Speaker 4: near the prison where some of the family members who
Speaker 4: were staying, and then Manson his fellow prisoners when they
Speaker 4: were released, each set them up with his family and
Speaker 4: his girls. I'm Darry Mantara, author of the book Charles
Speaker 4: Manson Taming the Beast, Charles Manson's life in prison. So
Speaker 4: they had this flop house near San Quentin where they
Speaker 4: they all were hanging out, So they kind of merged
Speaker 4: and blended together. Post helter skelter squeaky was dropping in
Speaker 4: and out.
Speaker 5: This was how Lynette got to know Michael Montfort, William Goucher,
Speaker 5: and James Craig, three ex con members of the Arian Brotherhood.
Speaker 5: The three sported prominent Aran Brotherhood tattoos on their torsos.
Speaker 8: Lynette ended up with a group of Rian Brotherhood members
Speaker 8: and fellow travelers who were committing various crimes and robberies
Speaker 8: in California. That group included a young couple, including an
Speaker 8: ex marine named James Willette and their young baby.
Speaker 5: James Willette, whose body was found in his shallow grave
Speaker 5: in Gernville, was from the family that owned the Willlette
Speaker 5: Distillery in Kentucky. He'd done a tour of the Marines
Speaker 5: in Vietnam, re enlisted, and been sent to Okinawa, Japan,
Speaker 5: when Willlett encounter from Montfort and the rest he'd been
Speaker 5: teaching under priv kids in Los Angeles. His father described
Speaker 5: James as intelligent and public spirited that he'd wanted to
Speaker 5: reform racial problems in the Marines. The father also said
Speaker 5: that since the Marines, James seemed to be living a
Speaker 5: hippie lifestyle. He was married to a young woman named
Speaker 5: Lauren known as Rennie. She'd run away from home after
Speaker 5: dispute with her parents about school. She was eighteen, he
Speaker 5: was twenty six. They had an infant daughter named Heidi.
Speaker 5: Their landlord in Los Angeles described James, who she for
Speaker 5: some reason called Tom as a quote very gentle and
Speaker 5: sensitive lad. She at one point asked him about his
Speaker 5: experience in Vietnam and said he became very bitter and
Speaker 5: said that if people in America knew about the atrocities
Speaker 5: that he had seen, but that he didn't want to
Speaker 5: talk about it. She befriended the Willettes and would bring
Speaker 5: them baby clothes and toys. She and her husband went
Speaker 5: away to Minnesota for the summer They returned to stories
Speaker 5: from their neighbors of hippies coming and going from the
Speaker 5: apartment at all hours of the day and night, of
Speaker 5: the baby crying instantly, and of a woman who had
Speaker 5: not paid for her own electricity but was tapping into
Speaker 5: the Wallettes. The Wallettes left soon after. It's not clear
Speaker 5: how Lynette met James Willette, but she introduced him to
Speaker 5: the Aryan Brotherhood guys in San Francisco in September nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy two. At the time, the three men, Montfort, Goucher,
Speaker 5: and Craig were making frequent trips down to Los Angeles
Speaker 5: to commit armed robberies. James had that nineteen sixty five
Speaker 5: Ford station wagon white with wood paneling. It would be useful.
Speaker 5: Lynette wanted the robberies to continue because some of the
Speaker 5: takings would finance paying Manson's lawyers. The Wallette stayed with
Speaker 5: the three men and two women, Montfort's girlfriend Nancy Pittman,
Speaker 5: who would later receive the police in Stockton, and Goucher's
Speaker 5: girlfriend Maria Alonso. They lived north of San Francisco in Gernville,
Speaker 5: at a private campground on the Russian River called Parker's Resort.
Speaker 5: From this point forward, the Wallette story becomes less certain.
Speaker 5: There are two versions. The first is the story that
Speaker 5: came out in the Papers. In this story, James travels
Speaker 5: with the Aryan Brotherhood men down to la to participate
Speaker 5: in a series of robberies. At some point, James tells
Speaker 5: Rennie that he wants to leave the group. Rennie, for
Speaker 5: whatever reason, relays this information to Nancy and Maria. The
Speaker 5: word gets to Montfort and Craig, and they kill James
Speaker 5: in Gernville. Rennie stays with the group. The papers speculated
Speaker 5: about Rennie that she might have actually agreed to James's
Speaker 5: murder and witnessed it. The second version of this story
Speaker 5: is told by Dariy Matara and Edward George in their
Speaker 5: book Taming the Beast. In this story, James does not
Speaker 5: participate in the robberies. Rennie is initially excited by the
Speaker 5: fast living lifestyle of the group at Parker's resort. James
Speaker 5: is more hesitant. He tries to reason with her, but
Speaker 5: she doesn't hear it at first. James's father comes to
Speaker 5: visit the couple in their baby but is alarmed by
Speaker 5: the people hanging around the house. He doesn't stay long
Speaker 5: his father tries to con events James to leave. James
Speaker 5: is afraid of the group, but won't abandon Rennie. James
Speaker 5: discovers that Montfort, Craig, and Goucher are supporting their lifestyles
Speaker 5: through robberies. This is the last straw. He tells Rennie
Speaker 5: that if she doesn't leave with him and go to Kentucky,
Speaker 5: that he will turn the men in. Rennie doesn't want
Speaker 5: to leave. She tells Nancy Pittman and Maria Alonso what
Speaker 5: James has told her. She wants them to explain the
Speaker 5: robberies away and get him to stay. She hasn't read
Speaker 5: the situation. Then James is killed in Gernville, but Rennie
Speaker 5: is told that he just picked up and left. She
Speaker 5: doesn't know he is dead, and she and the baby
Speaker 5: stay with the group. Goucher even says later that she
Speaker 5: has a passing relationship with Craig. Where the stories reconverge
Speaker 5: is in the freshly turned soil beneath the house at
Speaker 5: seven twenty West Flora after the break.
Speaker 2: On November tenth, nineteen seventy two, two days after James
Speaker 2: Willett's body was found in a shallow grave in Gernville, California,
Speaker 2: and one day after news of this discovery was reported
Speaker 2: in the newspapers, Stockton police obtained a search warrant to
Speaker 2: investigate a mound of freshly disturbed dirt beneath the house
Speaker 2: at seven twenty West Flora. They found the body of
Speaker 2: Runnie Wilette. She'd been shot once in the head with
Speaker 2: a thirty eight. The police already had six people in
Speaker 2: custody for her husband's murder, three men who were involved
Speaker 2: in the Aran Brotherhood, Michael Montfort, William Goucher, and James Craig,
Speaker 2: and three women, Nancy Pittman, Priscilla Cooper and Lynette From.
Speaker 2: All three women had exes carved in their foreheads. From
Speaker 2: and Pittman had been members of the Manson family and
Speaker 2: continued to support him. Cooper's only connection to Manson seemed
Speaker 2: to be the ex The story they told was this,
Speaker 2: Michael Monfort was showing the group the danger in handling guns.
Speaker 2: He put the thirty eight to his own head and
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger, but the gun didn't go off. He
Speaker 2: then pointed it at Rennie's head, pulled the trigger and
Speaker 2: shot her dead. A stupid accident, but an accident, the
Speaker 2: cops were dubious. The obvious scenario was that Rennie did
Speaker 2: not know that James had been killed, and once his
Speaker 2: body was found, she had to be silenced the same
Speaker 2: way that her husband was silenced. In June of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy three, William Goucher pled guilty to murder charges and
Speaker 2: agreed to testify against Montford and Craig. His life was
Speaker 2: threatened and he was kept in hiding. According to Goucher,
Speaker 2: their group had known the Willettes for about a month.
Speaker 2: Two of those weeks had been spent at Parker's resort
Speaker 2: in Gernville. The men, including James Rolette, took trips down
Speaker 2: to la and pulled four armed robberies. Soon after they returned,
Speaker 2: James told Rennie about his plan to turn in the
Speaker 2: other men. Rennie then told Nancy and Priscilla, who told
Speaker 2: the men. They waited a week after Rennie told them
Speaker 2: about James's plan. They told James to go somewhere in
Speaker 2: the woods and dig a hole to bury some money.
Speaker 2: This was to be his grave. They drank that night.
Speaker 2: Goucher had purchased a shotgun earlier and had sawed off
Speaker 2: the barrel. He said he wanted to go and shoot.
Speaker 2: They walked to roughly the spot where James had been digging,
Speaker 2: but they couldn't find the hole. They grew tired and
Speaker 2: sat down. They shone a large flashlight across the road.
Speaker 2: Goucher loaded four rounds into a shotgun and shot at
Speaker 2: a tree. He told James to check the tree formage.
Speaker 2: As James walked over, Montfort began the shooting. Goucher couldn't
Speaker 2: remember how many times he fired. Then Craig's shot will
Speaker 2: Let twice with a twenty gage shotgun. Goucher shot him
Speaker 2: once or twice with a twelve gage sowd off shotgun.
Speaker 2: They rolled James's body down the hill and covered it
Speaker 2: with leaves and some dirt. It lay there until it
Speaker 2: was discovered by the hiker weeks later. There were no trials.
Speaker 2: Montfort pled guilty to second degree murder in both cases,
Speaker 2: and Craig to accessory after the fact. Goucher had already
Speaker 2: cut a deal to plead a second degree murder in
Speaker 2: James's death in exchange for his grand jury testimony. Priscilla
Speaker 2: Cooper and Nancy Pittman pled to accessory after the fact.
Speaker 2: In Rennie's murder, Lynette didn't face any charges in either case.
Speaker 2: The story didn't quite end there though. For months after
Speaker 2: the murders, James will Lett's parents receive threatening phone call
Speaker 2: at all hours from women threatening them with bloody deaths
Speaker 2: or saying they would leave James's head on their doorstep
Speaker 2: somehow or another. Word later got around that James Craig
Speaker 2: was an informant who was burned nearly to death in
Speaker 2: his car. He was transported to a nearby hospital, whereas
Speaker 2: last words were reportedly she's dangerous. It was not clear
Speaker 2: who he was referring to.
Speaker 8: This is a period where what starts as at least
Speaker 8: a sensibly a kind of hippie love cult has transmographied
Speaker 8: into a violent prison gang criminal enterprise where they're going
Speaker 8: around robbing places and killing people. There's no real philosophy
Speaker 8: around it. It's just what they do because they're criminals.
Speaker 5: With Manson in prison indefinitely, Lynette shifted her attention to
Speaker 5: helping him any way she could from outside. As we've seen,
Speaker 5: this meant providing assistance to arian brothers who were released
Speaker 5: from prison. Though her allegiance to Manson continued, her life
Speaker 5: was no longer centered around communal living and following Charlie.
Speaker 5: She was instead in a world of professional criminals.
Speaker 8: She's there because it's part of her loyalty demandsa not
Speaker 8: because she is specifically interested in a criminal lifestyle.
Speaker 5: In fact, during this time, she was working on her
Speaker 5: memoir Reflection, which we read from last episode. Not surprisingly
Speaker 5: given her unstable lifestyle. The manuscript was written on whatever
Speaker 5: Lynette had available at any given time. Some pages were tight,
Speaker 5: some handwritten in different colors of ink. She later used
Speaker 5: a typewriter in the office of her lawyer, Doug Vaughan.
Speaker 5: Vaughn also kept a photocopy of the manuscript in his
Speaker 5: office in case the original was lost.
Speaker 8: There's this utopian vision that she experienced, and that, to
Speaker 8: her is what the reality is. It obviously was a
Speaker 8: very important work to her because she felt that her
Speaker 8: mission was to explain and to help the world understand
Speaker 8: what Manson's meaning or message actually was. And it is
Speaker 8: quite removed from the reality of horror that he inflicted
Speaker 8: on dozens of actual people and their families, and more
Speaker 8: broadly than the damage he caused to American society.
Speaker 5: Reflections is a product not just of Manson's beliefs and
Speaker 5: From's experience with him, she also gives her interpretation of
Speaker 5: these events and the people who surrounded Manson. Manson was
Speaker 5: her leader, but she kept her own will.
Speaker 8: This is a follower who is not just carrying out
Speaker 8: orders or instructions or what have you. This is a
Speaker 8: follower who is really superimposing her own ideas and her
Speaker 8: own vision and her own values onto the leader and
Speaker 8: making that leader into the leader she wants him to be,
Speaker 8: as opposed to the one that he really happens to be.
Speaker 8: And it's a very striking difference. So there's a lot
Speaker 8: of side about what is in it for a follower
Speaker 8: other than just the comfort of being told what to do.
Speaker 8: Because most of her time, Manson is not telling her
Speaker 8: what to do. He can't he's in prison. You know,
Speaker 8: She's deciding what to do based on that experience. This
Speaker 8: is somebody who had the dice rolled slightly differently, could
Speaker 8: have been a very different person.
Speaker 5: Lynette's companion during much of this period was Sandra Good,
Speaker 5: perhaps the one person whose devotion to Manson could rival
Speaker 5: her own former Manson follower, Diane Lake.
Speaker 10: The two of them were pretty pretty close and very devoted.
Speaker 10: They proclaimed as Innocence Forever.
Speaker 8: If you look at things. Sandra said to reporters on
Speaker 8: camera and in writing, her vocabulary is much more violent,
Speaker 8: much more threatening than Lynnette's.
Speaker 6: Everybody is afraid. Yeah, that's a holding up nobody's content
Speaker 6: right now, with the world they've created, that their minds
Speaker 6: are all locked by a fear of death. Unless Manson
Speaker 6: gets the court room and it's allowed to speak, country
Speaker 6: will be bloodier than the Tate Lavianca house put together.
Speaker 6: Your children will rise up and kill you. Your own children. Sah,
Speaker 6: what you've done. They see what you're doing to your world.
Speaker 6: They see that you lie.
Speaker 5: In Sacramento. Whnette and Sandra will continue to live on
Speaker 5: society's margins, making their presence known through press releases, threats,
Speaker 5: organic treats, and a national campaign of intimidation aimed at
Speaker 5: America's corporate executives. Next Time on Rip Current.
Speaker 9: Rip Current was created and written by Toby Ball and
Speaker 9: developed with Alexander Williams. Hosted by Toby Ball with Mary
Speaker 9: Kathryne Garrison. Original music by Jeff Sanoff, Show art by Jeffney.
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Speaker 6: After I ate the hamburger, she said, just imagine if
Speaker 6: there are tin tabs acid in it, and then I
Speaker 6: just kind of flashed, there are ten tobes acid