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Speaker 2: Wednesday, November eighth, nineteen seventy two, a man hiking in

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Speaker 2: a mountainous area just south of Gernonville, California, comes across

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Speaker 2: a man's left hand sticking up from out of the ground.

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Speaker 2: He's found a shallow grave. When the police examined the scene,

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Speaker 2: they uncover a male body missing its right hand and head.

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Speaker 2: There is no identification. They determined that animals have been

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Speaker 2: at the body and must have taken the head in hand.

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Speaker 2: The deceased is unidentified for the time being. A little

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Speaker 2: more than a week earlier, on October thirtieth, police had

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Speaker 2: arrested two men for robbing the Eden Square liquor store

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Speaker 2: in Stockton. They gave their names as William Goucher and

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Speaker 2: James Willett. The man calling himself Willlett was bailed out

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Speaker 2: for ten thousand dollars. His arraignment was scheduled for November three,

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Speaker 2: but he didn't show up. He skipped with the man,

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Speaker 2: now a fugitive, The police take a closer look and

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Speaker 2: determined that the missing man isn't James Willett, but is

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Speaker 2: in fact a twenty four year old named Michael Montfort.

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Speaker 2: Montford is wanted for escaping from a state prison camp.

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Speaker 2: He is also a suspect in at least three bank

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Speaker 2: robberies in the Los Angeles area. A confidential informant tells

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Speaker 2: us Stockton police that Montford is driving a nineteen sixty

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Speaker 2: five Ford station Wagon, white with wood paneling, and provides

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Speaker 2: an address seven twenty West Flora. The plates on the

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Speaker 2: car are registered to James Willett. In the meantime, police

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Speaker 2: have determined that the body found in the Gernville grave

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Speaker 2: is that of the real James Willett, the fake name

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Speaker 2: used by Montfort after the liquor store robbery. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: take much to connect the dots from there. The police

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Speaker 2: drive by seven to twenty West Flora, a small ranch

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Speaker 2: house on a narrow lot with a glassed in front

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Speaker 2: porch facing the street. The station wagon isn't in the driveway,

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Speaker 2: so they hold off, assuming that Montfort isn't home. They

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Speaker 2: circle back later, and this time the car is in

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Speaker 2: the driveway. It's a thirty at night. They move in

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Speaker 2: They knock on the front door, which opens into the porch.

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Speaker 2: Another door leads from the porch into the house. A

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Speaker 2: woman named Sandy Pittman sticks her head out of the store.

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Speaker 2: There is an ex marked and scar tissue on her forehead.

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Speaker 2: She tries to brush off the cops, who are apparently

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Speaker 2: and she reacts by shutting the door. The cops continue

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Speaker 2: knocking and state they have a warn to search the house.

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Speaker 2: No one replies. The officers kicking the door and enter

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Speaker 2: the house in force. They find two men, two women,

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Speaker 2: is Heidi will Let. They let Sandy Pittman hold the

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Speaker 2: baby and secure the other three adults. The cops can

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Speaker 2: tell that the women were associated with Charles Manson because

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Speaker 2: of the exes on their foreheads. There is Sandy and

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Speaker 2: a woman named Priscilla Cooper. The men give their names

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Speaker 2: as Earl Blake and Gordon Foot. These are false names.

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Speaker 2: One of them is named James Craig. The other is

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Speaker 2: actually Michael Monfort, who the police are looking for, but

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Speaker 2: they don't know what he looks like, so they continue

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Speaker 2: to search the house, searching for a man they have

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Speaker 2: already found. In the back corner of a bedroom closet,

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Speaker 2: they find a false floor. Beneath the floor they find

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Speaker 2: James will Let discharge papers from the Marines. Still searching

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Speaker 2: for Montfort, they examine the basement. It is about twelve

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Speaker 2: the concrete walls. In the house, dirt is laid under

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Speaker 2: the rest of the house about four feet below the stringers.

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Speaker 2: The cops see a brand new shovel with the handle

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Speaker 2: partly sawed off, as well as a pickaxe. Also what

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Speaker 2: seems to be a mound of freshly disturbed soil. Meanwhile, upstairs,

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Speaker 2: the phone rings. A cop answers it. A woman says,

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Speaker 3: Where are you.

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Speaker 5: The cops go to Bene Liquors. They pick up the woman,

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Speaker 5: whose name is Lynette from I'm Toby Ball and I'm

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Speaker 5: Mary Catherine Garrison. And this is rip current.

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Speaker 6: Everybody is afraid script and that's what's holding things up.

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Speaker 6: Nobody's contented right now. It's like the world is created,

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Speaker 6: but their minds are all locked by a fear of.

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Speaker 5: Their episode three, the Story of James and Lauren Lulette.

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Speaker 2: When the Manton family was implicated in the Tate Loabianca murders,

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Speaker 2: though all of Middle America's fears about youth culture were

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Speaker 2: made flesh in this one small, ragged commune, and even

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Speaker 2: more so in the person of Charles Manson. The press

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Speaker 3: The involvement of a mystical hippie plan which despised the straight,

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Speaker 2: Time Magazine characterized Manson follower Susan Atkins's description of the

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Speaker 2: Manson family in this way.

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Speaker 7: She sketched out a weird story of a mystical, semi

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Speaker 7: demonic Mahdi able to dispatch his zombie life. Followers, mostly girls,

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Speaker 7: wearing hunting knives to commit at least eight murders, and

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Speaker 2: It's a hell of a sentence with drugs, mysticism, Islam, murder,

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Speaker 2: seemed to speak for all Middle America parents who were

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Speaker 3: I think they're all on dope.

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Speaker 7: And if you get under an a dope, you can be.

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Speaker 3: Involved in almost anything because the hypnotic trans you won't

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Speaker 8: Who but you know is right.

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Speaker 3: But under dope you can do almost anything. When I

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Speaker 3: do plan to stand by her side, and what undalley

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Speaker 3: will be the trial, which is she faces, I don't

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Speaker 3: know how to stand by her side.

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Speaker 9: I lost her.

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Speaker 3: I want society to stand by her side. I want

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Speaker 3: society to stand by the side of every young person

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Speaker 3: that can get involved in a situation like this.

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Speaker 2: In her essay The White Album, Joan Didion described her

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Speaker 2: murders that Sharon Tate's rendered house on Cielo Drive. She wrote,

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Speaker 2: the tension broke that day, the paranoia was fulfilled, but

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Speaker 2: the tension had not broken. Among the people who remained

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Speaker 2: Manson followers.

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Speaker 8: There was a hardcore that was extremely loyal to Charlie,

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Speaker 8: mainly women, but also some men, and once things became

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Speaker 8: very real with murder charges and horrible crimes, alleged a

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Speaker 8: lot of people who may not have been as close

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Speaker 2: They split Lynette from biographer Jess Braven.

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Speaker 8: They were not there for murder and certainly not there

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Speaker 8: to go to prison, so they were gone. Other people

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Speaker 8: may have been sort of attracted by the notoriety and

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Speaker 8: self selecting group.

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Speaker 2: Lynette and a small group of women made a show

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Speaker 2: of supporting Manson, hanging out outside the courthouse, eventually carving

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Speaker 2: x's into their foreheads and shaving their heads and support.

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Speaker 2: They also were involved in more active ways, though their

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Speaker 2: plots were strange. Here's Lynette from her psychiatric interview before

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Speaker 2: her trial for attempting to assassinate Gerald Ford.

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Speaker 9: The time you were charged was something in the trial

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Speaker 9: didn't come off.

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Speaker 10: Who were charged with the.

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Speaker 11: Dissuade the beginniness well was rang blade. It was not

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Speaker 11: dropped The original charge was attempted murder. This was a

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Speaker 11: case where a girl allegedly received a Hamberger with Ellis Dan.

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Speaker 11: She allegedly received the hamburger in Hawaii.

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Speaker 6: And at that time I was.

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Speaker 11: In the States.

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Speaker 2: Lynette is referring to a bizarre episode involving an eighteen

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Speaker 2: year old Manson follower named Barbara Holt. She was not

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Speaker 2: considered an important witness in the Manson trial, but Lynette

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Speaker 2: and Ruth Anne Moorehouse, who was known as Wish, decided

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Speaker 2: This led Wish to take Barbara to Hawaii, where they

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Speaker 2: hold up at the Hilton Hawaiian Village Hotel. After three days,

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Speaker 2: Wish told Barbara that she had to fly back to California,

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Speaker 2: At the Honolulu airport, Wei Sh bought Barbara hamburger. Wish

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Speaker 2: the hamburger had been dosed with five thousand micrograms of LSD.

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Speaker 2: That's ten times a normal dose, And of course the

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Speaker 2: hamburger was dosed.

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Speaker 1: I left the airport and she said, go to the beach.

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Speaker 3: And I was thinking, you know, okay, I'll go to

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Speaker 8: And I got on a bus and I was starting

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Speaker 8: to come on to it, and I was thinking about

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Speaker 8: what she said about ten tabasass so just imagine there

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Speaker 8: was ten taubs as, and then I just kind of flashed,

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Speaker 2: Barbara ended up in the er. Her father flew to

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Speaker 2: She eventually did testify against Manson. Here is Lynette again

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Speaker 2: from her psychiatric interview.

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Speaker 11: Consequently, I accepted a disposition.

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Speaker 7: Isn't that chill.

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Speaker 5: See guilty and do some time or something?

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Speaker 11: No content, I wouldn't believe guilty, but I did believe

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Speaker 11: and received three months on the county jail.

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Speaker 9: Okay, you feel while you were incarcerated it was that

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Speaker 10: Man trip or along orion. Well, because of the place,

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Speaker 10: Los Angeles kind of jail is, I would say, a

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Speaker 10: very bad place to be incarcerable because of it, how

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Speaker 10: large it is.

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Speaker 9: Being very impersonal, I try.

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Speaker 11: But I've got on fine go along with the Innates life.

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Speaker 5: From the time of his conviction for the Tate LaBianca

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Speaker 5: murders until October nineteen seventy two, Charles Manson was an

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Speaker 5: inmate on death row at San Quentin Penitentiary. He'd already

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Speaker 5: five foot three, and well known, so he was a target.

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Speaker 5: He needed to protect himself.

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Speaker 8: You want to have friends, and he made friends with

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Speaker 8: the Aryan Brotherhood, white prison gang that was, yes, i

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Speaker 8: would say, dabbling in white supremacy, but more interested just

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Speaker 8: in hardcore criminal activity inside and outside of prison, and

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Speaker 8: essential arrangement seemed to be that they look out for

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Speaker 8: him and his people on the outside. Mainly women like

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Speaker 8: Lynette would help the AB guys when they got out

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Speaker 8: of prison, or write to them while they are in prison,

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Speaker 8: or or bring them things in prison. So it was

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Speaker 8: a kind of a marriage of convenience between Manson and

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Speaker 8: the Arian brother They each had something that the other

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Speaker 8: party needed and so AB members would contact or be

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Speaker 8: contacted by Lynette and other Manson women who were on

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Speaker 8: the outside, and when they got out of prison, those

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Speaker 8: women would be there to help them reintegrate, if you will,

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Speaker 8: to society generally criminal society, criminal or underworld activity.

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Speaker 4: Once they got out, they had a big flop house

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Speaker 4: near the prison where some of the family members who

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Speaker 4: were staying, and then Manson his fellow prisoners when they

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Speaker 4: were released, each set them up with his family and

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Speaker 4: his girls. I'm Darry Mantara, author of the book Charles

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Speaker 4: Manson Taming the Beast, Charles Manson's life in prison. So

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Speaker 4: they had this flop house near San Quentin where they

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Speaker 4: they all were hanging out, So they kind of merged

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Speaker 5: With Manson in prison indefinitely, Lynette shifted her attention to

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Speaker 5: Reflections is a product not just of Manson's beliefs and

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Speaker 8: Because most of her time, Manson is not telling her

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Speaker 5: Lynette's companion during much of this period was Sandra Good,

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Speaker 6: Your children will rise up and kill you. Your own children. Sah,

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Speaker 6: They see that you lie.

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Speaker 6: there are tin tabs acid in it, and then I

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