1
00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,360
Speaker 1: You know you didn't do it, but it smells so Gnarley.

2
00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,320
Speaker 2: Whoever walks in next is gonna think.

3
00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:13,640
Speaker 1: It was you.

4
00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,800
Speaker 2: So you step outside and your nose and you point

5
00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,200
Speaker 2: over your photo saying that wasn't me.

6
00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,680
Speaker 1: But think that to nine and sometimes in sound ghostly,

7
00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,720
Speaker 1: I think that's food. Well, they will wait in me.

8
00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:44,440
Speaker 2: I think that you founday will wait in me. Good morning,

9
00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,600
Speaker 2: sweet and welcome to the Nodunks podcast on the Athletic Network.

10
00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,199
Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, August twenty second, twenty and twenty three. I'm

11
00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,760
Speaker 2: jay E Skeith back in the Classic Factory and alongside me,

12
00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:55,600
Speaker 2: as always tast.

13
00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,320
Speaker 1: Mellis podcast listeners, this is for you.

14
00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,400
Speaker 2: Next to him, it's the Bearded one, A top shot hopwoay,

15
00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,080
Speaker 2: Trick Kirby Hey, oh, last but not least over Yonder

16
00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,959
Speaker 2: super producer making the magic happen jd Is And here

17
00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,920
Speaker 2: we are. Shout out to the stream team joining us

18
00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,479
Speaker 2: live right now on YouTube. Take a second like the video,

19
00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,680
Speaker 2: comment away there and subscribe. Hit eighty three thousand subs.

20
00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,240
Speaker 2: We actually crashed through that. We're closer to eighty to

21
00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,920
Speaker 2: four k. I think that's a slight exaggeration, but keep suscribing.

22
00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,320
Speaker 1: We are closer.

23
00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,880
Speaker 2: Go get your No Dunks merch over at no dunks

24
00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,560
Speaker 2: dot com. And after you're done with today's classic, check

25
00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,920
Speaker 2: out yesterday's Is This Good Podcast with Mattio, JD and myself.

26
00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,440
Speaker 2: We had a long debate about the pros and cons

27
00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,840
Speaker 2: of the hot tub and then we couldn't stop laughing.

28
00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,240
Speaker 2: When Mattio was trying to describe the different locations to

29
00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:55,400
Speaker 2: sit in movie theaters, the giggles were unleashed. But it's

30
00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,000
Speaker 2: it's a fun one. And yeah, do you guys have

31
00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,280
Speaker 2: a quick opinion on hot tubs? Are they good?

32
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,440
Speaker 3: What do you think? My first inclination is yes, But

33
00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,280
Speaker 3: my second thought it's probably not a little gross. But

34
00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,720
Speaker 3: anytime I see one, I wanna dip my lower body

35
00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:13,920
Speaker 3: in it.

36
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm totally the same first inclination, first thought, yeah,

37
00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,440
Speaker 1: second thought is rather not. And there was the pull

38
00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,600
Speaker 1: up on the is This Good Instagram page? Saunas or

39
00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,480
Speaker 1: hot tubs and whether or not one is hornier than

40
00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:33,720
Speaker 1: the other.

41
00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what's the hornier one? Hot tubs or saunas?

42
00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,120
Speaker 2: It's hot tubs.

43
00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeeah, yeah, that's why it's grosser.

44
00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, interesting well.

45
00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,200
Speaker 1: You don't think that's the bro stuff is happening in

46
00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,760
Speaker 1: there a lot of.

47
00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,880
Speaker 2: Talk about the hot tub, So go check that out.

48
00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,720
Speaker 2: Is this good? We had that up in the No

49
00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,000
Speaker 2: Dungks feed, but I highly encourage you to go check

50
00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,560
Speaker 2: out the YouTube feed again just to see us absolutely

51
00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,960
Speaker 2: lose our When Matt's trying to describe places to sit

52
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,160
Speaker 2: in a movie theater. I know how insane that sounds.

53
00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,280
Speaker 2: Why would that be funny? For some reason, it was,

54
00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,600
Speaker 2: so go go enjoy that after this classic. But we

55
00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,800
Speaker 2: promised this to you last week. We even teased it

56
00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,480
Speaker 2: a little bit, and we are making today's entire show

57
00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,680
Speaker 2: about the Basketball Hall of Fame and active players and

58
00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,280
Speaker 2: the case for a lot of these guys whether yeah,

59
00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,600
Speaker 2: there are locks to get in near locks nah, probably

60
00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,120
Speaker 2: on the outside looking in. This was all inspired by

61
00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,760
Speaker 2: an athletic article from Mike Vorkanoff, and you know he

62
00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,560
Speaker 2: talked about the mystery behind who gets in to the

63
00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,000
Speaker 2: Basketball Hall of Fame and why. But that is part

64
00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,080
Speaker 2: of the fun, It's part of the intrigue. So just

65
00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,080
Speaker 2: to remind you, we already showed you this last week.

66
00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,200
Speaker 2: Mike had fifteen active locks. We had fifteen names here

67
00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:56,560
Speaker 2: in alphabetical order, Jannice Curry, Ad Durant, Embiid, Draymond Harden,

68
00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,080
Speaker 2: Dwight Lebron, Jokic, Kawhi, Dame, Chris, Paul Clay, and Westbrook.

69
00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,960
Speaker 2: And even when we talked about this or had this

70
00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,840
Speaker 2: up on the screen last week, we're like, yeah, okay,

71
00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,800
Speaker 2: that's that's fair.

72
00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people angry, you know, at their particular case,

73
00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,800
Speaker 1: like an Anthony Davis. Why is Anthony Davis there going

74
00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,120
Speaker 1: to LA? It helps? Sometimes you go win a championship

75
00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,039
Speaker 1: and you go they look at the individual accolades and

76
00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,800
Speaker 1: he ain't done. Eight time All Star, four time All NBA,

77
00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,720
Speaker 1: four time All Defense and he's only thirty. So yeah,

78
00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,320
Speaker 1: there's you can you can hate on some. I was,

79
00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,039
Speaker 1: I think we should come up with the presenters for

80
00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,360
Speaker 1: each of these guys. Who would these guys pick as

81
00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,080
Speaker 1: their presenters when they go in? Who would Kawhi Leonard

82
00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,360
Speaker 1: pick as.

83
00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,200
Speaker 2: I thought you meant as a collective from those fifteen names,

84
00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,520
Speaker 2: who would they elect as the guy to say we're

85
00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:52,200
Speaker 2: all going together? That would be like probably Curry.

86
00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, why is a tough one? Who Jokich pick?

87
00:04:54,279 --> 00:05:01,160
Speaker 3: Maybe like Paul Pierceawhi pick Paul Pierce LA Maybe he

88
00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:06,400
Speaker 3: would pick one of the Spurs, but.

89
00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, an easy one would be Yeah Duncan Man who

90
00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:10,479
Speaker 1: park put them all up?

91
00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, any Spur that goes in has to bring those

92
00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:22,160
Speaker 3: guys in. Paul Pierce, they were.

93
00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,080
Speaker 2: Good club connection.

94
00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,279
Speaker 1: There would be a good time.

95
00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,760
Speaker 2: Well, and there's a lot of already. Harden's gonna go

96
00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,200
Speaker 2: into the Basketball Hall of Fame. It will only be

97
00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:30,760
Speaker 2: a matter of time until he has to be traded

98
00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,400
Speaker 2: from it and try and make his way to the

99
00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,839
Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame in Canton. Anyway, those are the

100
00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,600
Speaker 2: active locks. We don't need to go over those fifteen names. Sure,

101
00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,880
Speaker 2: if you want to say what Klay Thompson is a lock,

102
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,280
Speaker 2: knock yourself out. But again, we have no issue with

103
00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,839
Speaker 2: Mike Vorkanof's fifteen names there. Now, there was also a

104
00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,200
Speaker 2: part in his article retired Locks, and on that list

105
00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,640
Speaker 2: it was Vince Carter and Carmelo Anthony. Hold on to

106
00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,800
Speaker 2: those two names because we'll get to them a little

107
00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,200
Speaker 2: bit later in this show. But this is why we're

108
00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,760
Speaker 2: doing this one. This is why we pod baby active

109
00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,800
Speaker 2: near locks. Six names on Mike Vorkanoff's list here and

110
00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,760
Speaker 2: uh man, I feel like we could do ten minutes

111
00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,080
Speaker 2: on each of these guys. But the active near locks

112
00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,560
Speaker 2: for the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame Jimmy Butler, DeMar Dea, Rosen, Luka, Doncic,

113
00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:23,760
Speaker 2: Paul George, Rudy Gobert, and Kyrie Irving. Okay, some interesting names. Uh,

114
00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,919
Speaker 2: I guess I guess my first question off of this,

115
00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,320
Speaker 2: I mean, we can go through them all, but which

116
00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,880
Speaker 2: near lock there do you think should be considered more

117
00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,760
Speaker 2: of a lock lock? You know what I mean? Is

118
00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,200
Speaker 2: there anybody of those six where you're like, come on, Mike,

119
00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,119
Speaker 2: lock it in, baby, uh and they should be bumped

120
00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,400
Speaker 2: up a tier or or do you agree with all

121
00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,880
Speaker 2: six TK get it started here?

122
00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,200
Speaker 3: Come on, Mike. Rudy Gobert is a lock Wow, you

123
00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:56,440
Speaker 3: go to Rudy is an absolute locker. Rooney three time

124
00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,000
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year that gets it in. Basically,

125
00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,680
Speaker 3: three time All Star, four time All NBA, six time

126
00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,400
Speaker 3: All Defense. He's the Kembe Matamba for our generation. He's

127
00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,679
Speaker 3: Dwight Howard for our generation. Who else would you consider?

128
00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,240
Speaker 3: Ben Wallace, that's another Hall of Famer, He's the he

129
00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,840
Speaker 3: was the best center defender in the league for seven

130
00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,640
Speaker 3: or eight years, had a great ten year run. Really,

131
00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,320
Speaker 3: he's gonna retire all time top fifty in blocks, top

132
00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,679
Speaker 3: one hundred and rebounds. Actively he's eighth in rebounds, fifth

133
00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,400
Speaker 3: and blocks. Gobart is an easy lock here, and people

134
00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,760
Speaker 3: are gonna be like, what Rudy Gobert, But he's getting

135
00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,560
Speaker 3: in no problem.

136
00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,600
Speaker 1: You start looking at the guys, yeah, in his archetype,

137
00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,480
Speaker 1: like to Kembe Rodman, to some degree, those guys Ben Wallace,

138
00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,400
Speaker 1: if they're in, how is Rudy Gobert not in? I

139
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,240
Speaker 1: put him in. But I just wonder if those types

140
00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,880
Speaker 1: of guys having already been in kind of hurts him

141
00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,080
Speaker 1: a little bit in a weird way. Interesting, Yeah, because

142
00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean let's look at the Kembe eight time All

143
00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,120
Speaker 1: Star versus Rudy only a three time All Star. So

144
00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,800
Speaker 1: those there's there's a difference there in terms of the

145
00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,360
Speaker 1: respect he got around the league. To Kembe in a

146
00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,680
Speaker 1: different sort of stratosphere. And I think, yeah, but but

147
00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,240
Speaker 1: but but you know, when you're that good on one end,

148
00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to keep him out. I always

149
00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,440
Speaker 1: find it hard, you know, putting him on an All

150
00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,760
Speaker 1: NBA team, because he's lacking at that one end of

151
00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,120
Speaker 1: the floor. If if you know, you don't really have

152
00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,040
Speaker 1: a game on the offensive end, are you one of

153
00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,680
Speaker 1: the best three centers in the game.

154
00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,800
Speaker 3: Averaged like thirteen's a game prime and Wallace couldn't dribble

155
00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,120
Speaker 3: yeah or score?

156
00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,760
Speaker 1: No, there there's no doubt. Yeah, Rudy can dribble once

157
00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,120
Speaker 1: for sure, and he's working on and Hegan.

158
00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,199
Speaker 3: Just lost his virginity.

159
00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if he takes France to a gold here

160
00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,440
Speaker 2: at the World Copper or even the Olympics in twenty

161
00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,640
Speaker 2: twenty four, man, yeah, did.

162
00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,319
Speaker 3: They win the World Cup twenty nineteen's World check? They

163
00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,320
Speaker 3: definitely beat be.

164
00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,400
Speaker 1: At the USA. Yeah. Yeah, did they get all the

165
00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,040
Speaker 1: way anyway? You know, unlike Ben obviously won a title,

166
00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,839
Speaker 1: de Cambay was damn close. So I already laxed that. Yeah,

167
00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,520
Speaker 1: the playoff experience hasn't or the playoff success hasn't got

168
00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:06,679
Speaker 1: to a final yet.

169
00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,840
Speaker 2: What happens with a guy like Rudy Gobert is the

170
00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,720
Speaker 2: perfect example. Right, you went through all his accolades. He

171
00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,199
Speaker 2: obviously is one of the best defensive players over the

172
00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,320
Speaker 2: last easily decade, especially when we've been doing this show

173
00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,480
Speaker 2: he's like top three. But when you get into Hall

174
00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,680
Speaker 2: of Fame talk, some people like to go, yeah, but

175
00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,240
Speaker 2: was he ever actually one of the best players in

176
00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,400
Speaker 2: the league? Like was he? I mean, like just remove

177
00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,160
Speaker 2: all NBA even though it helps us get to those

178
00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,200
Speaker 2: selections because I know they're changing it now too and

179
00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,200
Speaker 2: we won't have to have that thirt center and all that.

180
00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,160
Speaker 2: But was he ever considered like one of the best players?

181
00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,880
Speaker 2: And people will say yes, probably because they give a

182
00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,800
Speaker 2: damn about defense, while many others, I think we would

183
00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,319
Speaker 2: all agree say no, he was not even close to that.

184
00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:54,360
Speaker 2: Is that fair?

185
00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,199
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I think part of this and why

186
00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,360
Speaker 1: I sort of compare it like guys who didn't have

187
00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,199
Speaker 1: an offense game. I think we think about it a

188
00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,000
Speaker 1: little differently. Now centers kind of have to have an

189
00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,559
Speaker 1: offensive game. Well, it was cool not to have one,

190
00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, it was okay not to have one in

191
00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,920
Speaker 1: those days. But if he gets a title and you

192
00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,800
Speaker 1: shove him in there, you know, without a question.

193
00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,280
Speaker 2: Okay, who else did you have maybe on that list

194
00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,080
Speaker 2: besides Gobert as someone more of a lock than in

195
00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:21,520
Speaker 2: your lock.

196
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,319
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of odd to have Luke on here

197
00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,839
Speaker 1: only having played five seasons, but you know, four All

198
00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,400
Speaker 1: NBA teams, four All Star appearances in five years. He's

199
00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,480
Speaker 1: he's on the path. I mean you could, you could

200
00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,640
Speaker 1: shove him as a lock. I think he would be.

201
00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,400
Speaker 3: The on the on track yeah list for me, which

202
00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,560
Speaker 3: I thought that was funny that he didn't make it

203
00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,200
Speaker 3: on track. He's got like one more All NBA appearance

204
00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,000
Speaker 3: than Jason Tatum.

205
00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a little strange.

206
00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,360
Speaker 3: Why would I think they're I think they're both going

207
00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,360
Speaker 3: to be locked. But Luca as an On should just

208
00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,360
Speaker 3: be on track. He's just so young.

209
00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,439
Speaker 1: He's so young. The more the more fun guys to

210
00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,640
Speaker 1: discuss are the guys who are later in their careers

211
00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:04,880
Speaker 1: the Butler, Paul, George Damar and Kyrie Jimmy. Butler's in

212
00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,240
Speaker 1: for me because I'm caught up in the moment. I think.

213
00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,800
Speaker 1: You know, he went to Miami and four years there,

214
00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,760
Speaker 1: three conference finals or finals, two finals, one conference finals appearance,

215
00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,880
Speaker 1: dragging his team there. Doesn't have the the career stats

216
00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,720
Speaker 1: because he started slow in Chicago, but he's got the story.

217
00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,480
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just because we're here, right here, right now,

218
00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,120
Speaker 1: and maybe I changed my mind eight years from now,

219
00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,880
Speaker 1: but I don't think so. I think he'll still have

220
00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,439
Speaker 1: a good thirty four year and thirty five year and

221
00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,319
Speaker 1: thirty six year. I think he has going against him.

222
00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,960
Speaker 1: As I say, thirty four to thirty five, thirty six,

223
00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of old, yeah, you know when looking at

224
00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,800
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. But he needs somebody to

225
00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,760
Speaker 1: come join him because he's he's about to turn thirty four.

226
00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,400
Speaker 1: If he's going to win a title in and lock

227
00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,320
Speaker 1: in a Hall of Fame berth. But I think the

228
00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,280
Speaker 1: voters say I like this guy, so he's in in

229
00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,640
Speaker 1: a weird way. I mean, I know I would subjectively,

230
00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:58,360
Speaker 1: I would.

231
00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,959
Speaker 2: Do that, TK would you as well.

232
00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,400
Speaker 3: I think a title puts Jimmy Butler over the top,

233
00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,120
Speaker 3: and I think he's pretty close right now, and if

234
00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,760
Speaker 3: he retires in the perfect year, he could definitely get in.

235
00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,160
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I mean him and Paul George.

236
00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,800
Speaker 3: I think it's funny that they're in this same list

237
00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,400
Speaker 3: together because I don't know who I actually think is

238
00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,120
Speaker 3: closer to a lock right now. Paul George probably had

239
00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,800
Speaker 3: a better peak than Jimmy Butler, but Jimmy Butler has

240
00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,200
Speaker 3: had more success and he gets better in the playoffs.

241
00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can always say that about

242
00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,559
Speaker 3: Paul George. I'm obviously more of a Jimmy Butler fan

243
00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,439
Speaker 3: than a Paul George fan, but I think they're both.

244
00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,600
Speaker 3: They're both gonna get in. Everybody gets into the Basketball

245
00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,040
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. But who's closer to a lock? For you, guys,

246
00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,640
Speaker 3: neither of them won anything. Oh and Jimmy Butler was

247
00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,200
Speaker 3: despised before he got to Miami. He has had a

248
00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,960
Speaker 3: major reputational turnaround since getting to Miami because he spent

249
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,720
Speaker 3: like basically three years trying to get to Miami, and

250
00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,640
Speaker 3: it pissed people off.

251
00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder who is closer Jimmy dragging a team

252
00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,120
Speaker 1: losing to Lebron in the finals and losing to jokicen

253
00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,719
Speaker 1: the finals where he was clearly the number one guy

254
00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,240
Speaker 1: in his team. Paul George far more career accolades for me.

255
00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,400
Speaker 1: Paul George is in two. He's been in the league

256
00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,920
Speaker 1: thirteen years, and he snapped his leg for one of them,

257
00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,240
Speaker 1: so really just twelve seasons. He's made the All Star

258
00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,200
Speaker 1: Game eight times, six all NBA, so top six at

259
00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,520
Speaker 1: his position for half his years. Essentially for all defense.

260
00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,079
Speaker 1: He got to a couple of conference finals, took Lebron

261
00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,360
Speaker 1: to seven games. Took Lebron to six games. You lose

262
00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,160
Speaker 1: to Lebron, shake his hand. That's fine. He got to

263
00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,319
Speaker 1: another one where he took the Clippers to a conference finals. Unfortunately,

264
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,400
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard wasn't there to play the Suns in twenty

265
00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,800
Speaker 1: twenty one or else he gets to the finals. It's

266
00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,280
Speaker 1: a little like ad like, if he sneaks in with

267
00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,200
Speaker 1: a title, then he's there.

268
00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:46,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

269
00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,439
Speaker 2: Well, all of these guys on the list, they win

270
00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,640
Speaker 2: a title, I mean, then you can put.

271
00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,800
Speaker 1: Him on atomatic yah to watchk.

272
00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,520
Speaker 2: That's why they're near locks. I mean, Kyrie's got one,

273
00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,400
Speaker 2: he wins another one. Let's say, oh my god, of

274
00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,040
Speaker 2: course he's in.

275
00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,040
Speaker 1: That's an interesting one.

276
00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,120
Speaker 3: K Kyrie's a lock. I think he's got a title.

277
00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,200
Speaker 3: He's got an all time classic shot Game seven twenty

278
00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,640
Speaker 3: sixteen finals. He was a Rookie of the Year, eight

279
00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,200
Speaker 3: time All Star, already three time All NBA, and widely

280
00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,040
Speaker 3: known as the guy with the best dribbling skills in

281
00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,120
Speaker 3: the history of the league. He's in, for sure. They

282
00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,000
Speaker 3: might make him wait.

283
00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,319
Speaker 2: Though, yes, yes, as we've seen before, even with players. Yeah,

284
00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,400
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, and DeRozan he's I mean,

285
00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,320
Speaker 2: this was sort of the whole point of this article

286
00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,920
Speaker 2: was really like Tomarto Rosen sneaky Hall of Fame case

287
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,120
Speaker 2: here as he plays more and more, as he's had

288
00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,160
Speaker 2: like this sort of late career resurgence with Chicago, making

289
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,080
Speaker 2: All Star teams, scoring a lot. He's thirty ninth on

290
00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,800
Speaker 2: the NBA's all time scoring list. Tomarta Rosen, He's not done.

291
00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,880
Speaker 2: He's going to retire in the top twenty probably, and

292
00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,440
Speaker 2: so like in looking at this is a project the

293
00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:47,920
Speaker 2: athletic has done for a couple of years here where

294
00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,400
Speaker 2: you're looking at active players, they've always made the case

295
00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,840
Speaker 2: like if you're an MVP, a Finals MVP, a scoring champ,

296
00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,600
Speaker 2: or in the top fifty all time in scoring, you're

297
00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,160
Speaker 2: basically in. You know a few exceptions there, but yeah,

298
00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,360
Speaker 2: what do you think DeRozan well on his way? And

299
00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,960
Speaker 2: is he the most like difficult one of this list

300
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,880
Speaker 2: where you're like, yeah, maybe, I don't know.

301
00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,560
Speaker 3: What do you think I'm gonna play my one card here,

302
00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,760
Speaker 3: it's my one time getting say Mitch Richmond. If DeRozan

303
00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,960
Speaker 3: gets in, he's the new Mitch Richmond. I don't think

304
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,360
Speaker 3: he's really a Hall of Famer, A six time All Star,

305
00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,680
Speaker 3: three time All NBA. He's picked some up here with

306
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,400
Speaker 3: the Bulls later in his career, but he should be

307
00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,080
Speaker 3: Hall of very good slash very cool because Demarta Rosen

308
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,360
Speaker 3: is awesome to watch. But his career is going to

309
00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,960
Speaker 3: be extended by coming to the league as a nineteen

310
00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,520
Speaker 3: year old, getting to play until he's probably in his

311
00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,240
Speaker 3: late thirties. So he's gonna finish top twenty in scoring.

312
00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,120
Speaker 3: Heeds like another five thousand points. That's like three seasons.

313
00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,640
Speaker 3: Very reasonable that the Rosen gets there. But DeRozan as

314
00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,440
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer, no.

315
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,960
Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, I'm totally with you. He is the

316
00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,000
Speaker 1: closest to the player that should not be named Rich Richmond.

317
00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,520
Speaker 1: That's that's the player he definitely emulates the most. Not

318
00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,280
Speaker 1: a ton of playoff success, but he could be like

319
00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,360
Speaker 1: a Vince Carter. We'll get to Vince. But the first

320
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,800
Speaker 1: part of his career you think, oh, he's skyrocket, He's

321
00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,720
Speaker 1: going to reach another stratosphere. Then the bar is lowered. Okay,

322
00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,680
Speaker 1: he's not getting in. He's just not good enough, and

323
00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,480
Speaker 1: he could be helped with the end of his career,

324
00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,560
Speaker 1: just bumping up the sort of the career stats. But

325
00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,600
Speaker 1: he's six time Alstar, three time All NBA. That's it.

326
00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,720
Speaker 1: No real playoff experience, one Conference finals where he was

327
00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,560
Speaker 1: a smash heed by Lebron James in four games. It's

328
00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,640
Speaker 1: as close as to Mitches as you can get. But

329
00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,040
Speaker 1: if yeah, that it's the cumulative stats probably that gets

330
00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,680
Speaker 1: him in and just what being well like sort of

331
00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,360
Speaker 1: like Vince Carter too.

332
00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:41,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

333
00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, players absolutely adore to Marto Roison for sure. So

334
00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,880
Speaker 2: if you're filling out your Hall of Fame ballot and

335
00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,200
Speaker 2: you have to pick between one of these two things.

336
00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,440
Speaker 2: Someone that played fifteen years at a very solid, you know,

337
00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,520
Speaker 2: consistent sort of level, but maybe wasn't the best of

338
00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,000
Speaker 2: the best, low long career I'm talking about though, or

339
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,800
Speaker 2: someone who, like you know, was a star for a

340
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,960
Speaker 2: very short window call it whatever, three four, five years,

341
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,120
Speaker 2: but was considered one of the best players in the game.

342
00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,720
Speaker 2: Do you weigh one more than the other? Is one

343
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:15,600
Speaker 2: more impressive to you?

344
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, being one of the best players in the league,

345
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,840
Speaker 3: even if it's for a shorter amount of even if

346
00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,200
Speaker 3: it's for a shorter amount of time. Because we're getting

347
00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,359
Speaker 3: to the point now where every NBA player plays fifteen

348
00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,919
Speaker 3: seasons and the nutrition, the training things just make it

349
00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,240
Speaker 3: easier so guys can stay healthy and stay productive for longer.

350
00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,200
Speaker 3: So that's why you're seeing a guy like the Rows

351
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,280
Speaker 3: and finish so high in the all time scoring list.

352
00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,680
Speaker 3: But it's not uncommon at this point for players to

353
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,919
Speaker 3: play fifteen plus seasons, where in the past it was

354
00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,400
Speaker 3: like there's two guys in the league who would play

355
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,840
Speaker 3: that long, and it was always Kevin Willis was one

356
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,640
Speaker 3: of them. There's always Kevin Willis and Robert Perris. Those

357
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,480
Speaker 3: are the only guys who could play more than fifteen years.

358
00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,720
Speaker 3: And now it's like the eighth man on a roster

359
00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,000
Speaker 3: plays fifteen seasons.

360
00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all those sort of cumulo stats you threw

361
00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,639
Speaker 1: out there, where the athletic is saying top fifty in

362
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of different categories gets you in. That's changing

363
00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,120
Speaker 1: for sure, because twenty thousand points used to get you in.

364
00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,200
Speaker 1: Antoine Jamison's over twenty thousand points, Joe Johnson's over twenty

365
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,440
Speaker 1: thousand points, and Marcus Aldridge is over twenty thousand points.

366
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,960
Speaker 1: Are those guys getting in? I doubt it? Yeah, Shining

367
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,520
Speaker 1: brighter as a star rising for going further is more important.

368
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,960
Speaker 1: But that's what happened to Vince really, he kind of yeah,

369
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,720
Speaker 1: plateau is a good word, and then he played another decade.

370
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,639
Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, so DeMar could be that guy. He

371
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,080
Speaker 1: seems to have the legs to be able to do that.

372
00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, if he finish just top twenty in scoring

373
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,960
Speaker 1: as trace set, yeah, the debate shall be had.

374
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 2: And then and then I'll say it, because I haven't

375
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,840
Speaker 2: haven't said his name yet. If he does win a

376
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,120
Speaker 2: title as sort of like a role player like Mitt

377
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,680
Speaker 2: Richmond did at the end of his career with the Lakers,

378
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean, then it maybe, really maybe that's enough to

379
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 2: cement him into the Hall of Fame. There we go.

380
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,159
Speaker 2: We've all said, Mitch Richmond, that's it no more. You

381
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,439
Speaker 2: gotta pay ten bucks if you say it again. All right?

382
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,600
Speaker 2: Any other thoughts on the on the near locks list there,

383
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,359
Speaker 2: As we've sort of gone through all these guys, it

384
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,159
Speaker 2: sounds like we almost are, like maybe besides DeRozan and

385
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 2: we'll it's obviously wait to see. Uh, you feel pretty

386
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,040
Speaker 2: good about the chances of everybody else on this list

387
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 2: getting in?

388
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.

389
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 2: Okay, moving on, then active in the mix fun list here,

390
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe one strange inclusion active in the

391
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,880
Speaker 2: miss mix excuse me? Four names, Andrea Gudala, Kevin Love,

392
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,200
Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry and Jason Tatum. And I know this one

393
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 2: on on Instagram got people really riled up. But what

394
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 2: why is Tatum on this list? Why is he in

395
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: this tier when you could put them in a couple

396
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 2: other spots. Were you one of those people? Were you

397
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 2: one of those ig trolls?

398
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 3: I didn't comment, but I do feel the same way

399
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 3: of those four players. I think Jason Tatum is the

400
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 3: most likely to make the Hall of Fame. He should

401
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 3: have been in the on Track category, just like Luka

402
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 3: Doncic should have.

403
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 2: He's twenty five, but he's really what seventeen? He's already

404
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: made three All NBA teams, four All Star teams. He's

405
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 2: won an Eastern Conference Finals MVP. We got to start

406
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 2: including that now, I love. And he's obviously made a

407
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 2: final average thirty point one points breaking last season. Why

408
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,359
Speaker 2: would he really slow down, you know, a barring injury.

409
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 2: So yes, it's just so weird that he was on

410
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 2: this particular tier.

411
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 1: He's already yeah, he's got more accolades than all these

412
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: other guys. Basically not quite, but pretty damn soon he'll

413
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: have more points than all these guys. Was looking at

414
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: their cumula points by the time he's like twenty eight,

415
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: Like he's he's got so much more time. He's at

416
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: like ten thousand points. He led the league last year

417
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 1: in total points if you like that kind of stat. Yeah, so, yeah,

418
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about three sort of guys who made their

419
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: way on this list because there were sort of role

420
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: players on championship teams. Yes, and then you have Jason tam.

421
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 2: We are we are really we have now reached the

422
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 2: point here of the Hall of Very Good where we

423
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: are like, ooh, did they have enough to actually get in?

424
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: None of these guys feel like first ballot Hall of Famers.

425
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 2: I'm talking Igodola, Love and Lowry here, But you know,

426
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: could they still eventually get in? Who has the strongest case?

427
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: Of those three? Removed Tatum? We all agree, you know,

428
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: he's well on track. But of those other three, who

429
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 2: has the best case?

430
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 3: I think I would vote for Kyle Lowry as having

431
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 3: the best case. And maybe that's a home or take,

432
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 3: but he could easily end up a top one hundred scorer,

433
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 3: all time, top twenty and assists and top fifty and steals,

434
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 3: made one All NBA team, a third team, but six

435
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 3: All Stars. He is a hall, a very good player. Yeah,

436
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 3: but he's also the best Raptor of all time. And

437
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 3: I think maybe you should get a little bit of

438
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 3: a bump if you're your franchise as the best player.

439
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and on a championship team, he was either the

440
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: second or third best player, you know, depending how you

441
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: look at Pascal Siak and well like Igodala clearly not

442
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, clearly four though, right, But yeah, we've got

443
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 1: other three other lucks on that franchise, you know, with

444
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: Curry Clay and Draymond Green, while Kawhi is the lock

445
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: on that twenty nineteen team where the Raptors got in

446
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: and that's it. And so Kyle gets a bump for that.

447
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: But I think if he had Groat on his basketball

448
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: reference page as an award little banner, I think that

449
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: would be nice. Six time All Star, one time NBA champ,

450
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: one time All NBA and that's it. Those are all

451
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: of his achievements. Put growth on there just for a

452
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: little fun. Otherwise I would put him in first two.

453
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: But you know, Kevin Love probably had the most highest

454
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: scoring seasons out of these three guys he could all

455
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: got probably got the best reputation as a winner, you know,

456
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: more the Robert or a little bit type vibes, who

457
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: obviously isn't in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, Larry seems to.

458
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: He's got the best story. I think, like, whoa this guy,

459
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: he's an a hole, nobody wants to be his coach

460
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: and starts rising and starts rising and starts rising. Now

461
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: he is everybody's you know best bud, and the individual

462
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: accolades are a little bit better than Kevin Love a

463
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: tiny bit. I mean, depending how you look at it,

464
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: this is very similar to Kevin.

465
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: We all three of those guys, AI, I'm talking about

466
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: Loving Lowry, they don't have a lot of all MBA selections.

467
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: I don't have it right in front of me.

468
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: But its the way with two twos is a one

469
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: time All star Wow, four rings? Yeah, I think that's it.

470
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: Lowry's Basketball Reference Hall of Fame probability has him ninety

471
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: second all time, which was higher than I thought it

472
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: was going to be, which is one spot above Chauncey

473
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: Billups and so Lowry would be the second highest ranked

474
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: person on that list to miss the Hall if he

475
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: doesn't get in. We're looking forward here a little bit.

476
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: But I bring up Billups there because it feels like

477
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: Lowry's just waiting to see if Billups gets into the

478
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, and if he does, that really bolsters

479
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: Lowry's case, Lowry's case down the line. If Phillips doesn't

480
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: you know, missed out more years here, then I think

481
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: unfortunately Lowry's sort of right right in that ballpark, and

482
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: Billups has the finals MVP O from that's obviously the

483
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: one thing Lowry doesn't have. But similar like similar careers

484
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: and an impact, no doubt. So I think it is

485
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: going to be this like, once Billips get in, gets in,

486
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: you know, I think Lowry down the line does as well.

487
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: And this is the basketball theme.

488
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: These guys are all gonna get in. Yeah, they are

489
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: exactly exactly They're all gonna get I don't know, I

490
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: don't know, Okay, Okay. There's there's that kind of player

491
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: on like every good extended championship team, Like you mentioned

492
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 3: Robert Dory. He was the guy for the Spurs and

493
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: the Lakers. Shane Battier was there for the Heat when

494
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: they were winning their back to back titles. There's always

495
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: that glue guy who makes the team really sing and

496
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 3: that's why your team is awesome. But not a guaranteed

497
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, And I don't think. I mean, Iguadala

498
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: did some incredible stuff, but just because he held Lebron

499
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 3: to thirty points per game instead of forty points per

500
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: game doesn't make him a Hall of Famer in my book.

501
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the finals MVP is going to be interesting to that.

502
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: People will argue that that will be their argument.

503
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: Well, that's the funny we got. We're at that point

504
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: with Billips having won. We're obviously Igodala. There's a couple

505
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: somebody else not in the Hall of Fame that has

506
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: one Cedric Maxwell Cornbread the bread. But otherwise it's like

507
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: you're in usually if you get one of those. So yeah,

508
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: we'll see here moving on, then active could see it happening.

509
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: Four names on this list, but it's a little weird.

510
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why. Four names on this Instagram

511
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: account that they shared out Bradley Beal, Blake, Griffin, Al Horford,

512
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: and Rondo. But Beale's name was only on this slide

513
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: and his name was nowhere to be found in the

514
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: actual Athletic article. So I don't know what happened. There's

515
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: someone working on the social team at the Athletic that

516
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: is a huge Bradley Beal fan and decide to slip

517
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: it in there.

518
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 3: Mike Prada, Oh, maybe he's a Wizards guy.

519
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, or the writers of the article said,

520
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to write about Bradley Beal Well, yeah,

521
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: because game first, Instagram post or the article.

522
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: Bill's a three time All Star, only won All NBA selection,

523
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: obviously a huge scorer. He averaged what like nearly thirty

524
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: one points per game over two seasons, one hundred and

525
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: seventeen games. He did miss some games there. He's played

526
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: in played in more playoff games than I thought, forty

527
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: five playoff games, but he hasn't been to the second

528
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: round since like two seventeen. Anyway, A Beal a quick

529
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: thought on him, even though he shouldn't even be in

530
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: this mixture.

531
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on, uh man, I don't

532
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 3: know if I got a ten. I don't know if

533
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: I got a ten on me because I went back

534
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: and I watched Mitch Richmond's career high basketball game forty

535
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: seven points, and it was an NBA TV Twitter takeover.

536
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: Mitch Richmond was answering questions, Oh nice, and somebody said,

537
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: who do you compare yourself to in today's NBA Bradley

538
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: Beale Mitch Richmond, Man, they play very, very similarly. So

539
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: maybe Beale will get in, but he would not have

540
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: even made my short list, which is probably why he

541
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: didn't make the article.

542
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. Again, I don't know what happened,

543
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: don't know why I got in that slide. But let's

544
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: look at the other name's tasks. Who of the of

545
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: the the other the other guys here has the strongest

546
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame case to you, Griffin Horford, Toronto tough.

547
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: It is tough Blake Griffin for me. But that's totally

548
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: because he's in my Hall of fame. Looking at his

549
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: accolades and his lack of playoff success, I don't think

550
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: he necessarily gets in, but he just holds a special

551
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: place in my heart because when we got our first job,

552
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: it was like twenty ten. This was the rise of

553
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin and this was sort of the rise of

554
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: social media too, and there was only one social media platform.

555
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: So we're all on Twitter watching what Blake was going

556
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: to do next, and it was it was just a

557
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: fun communal experience. Who's going to record their TV first?

558
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: Because no one was really good. No one was really

559
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: good at ripping stuff off League Pass or the Internet,

560
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: and there was only one platform. No one was watching

561
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: on YouTube, nobody was watching on ig at this point,

562
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: no one was watching on TikTok. Were all there, yeah,

563
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: but mine was coming.

564
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember some.

565
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: One was damn good on Vine. So he just hits

566
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: home for me. That that that experience hits home for me.

567
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: That was a fun few years. Six time All Star,

568
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: five time All n b A. I wouldn't put him in.

569
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd put Big Allen. I don't think

570
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: i'd put Rondo in, And I wouldn't put Bill in,

571
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: as dirty as that sounds.

572
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: But this is why this is the coods list. But

573
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: maybe not. Who else is in the task? Milis Hall

574
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: of Fame though interesting? Or or what other objects you like?

575
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: I can't think of the brand name right now, but

576
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: there's one peron.

577
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I moved on. That's John Stamos. That's John Stamos's brand Okay,

578
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: is the brand.

579
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: Put it in your Hall of fame.

580
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't eat yogurt anymore.

581
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: I mean there was a time it was composting, recycling.

582
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: I'd be in your Hall of fame.

583
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: Right, Come on, short here, the spell is all affair

584
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: just Blake.

585
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: Blake could be a short on its own, Okay, okay.

586
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to go long on Blake. I wanted to

587
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, Duncan on Kendrick Perkins and Duncan

588
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: on Moscov Like for the first half of the twenty tens,

589
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: he was the most exciting player, you know, for the

590
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: twenty tens. I'd call him the most exciting player for

591
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: a decade. So you know, it's it's just basketball fandom.

592
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: He got he got me going. But the other dudes

593
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: otherwise that's it. I can't put all in. I can't

594
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: put Rondo in.

595
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Can you make a case for one of those guys

596
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: more than the others?

597
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: Al Horford tw NCAA titles he is in or if

598
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: he was an early NBA player, he would get in

599
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: for that reason as well. I have Blake as well

600
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: having the strongest case here, just because we were talking

601
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: about peaks and he did have a great peak. Yeah,

602
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: most enterinetending player of the twenty tens. I don't know

603
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: if that's the peak. But five time All NBA third

604
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: in MVP in the thirteen fourteen season, Blake was awesome.

605
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: His career got derailed by injuries, of course. I think

606
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: Rondo has an interesting case. Two championships yep, very far apart.

607
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: Three times he led the league in assist four time

608
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: All Star, though some of that was a Celtics bump

609
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: playing alongside multiple time inductor Paul Pierce. He was only

610
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: All NBA third team one time, four times All Defense.

611
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: Got a lot of steals, but the last half of

612
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: his career, Rondo is playing like less than thirty minutes

613
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: a game, under ten points per game, under ten assists

614
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: per game. He was basically a bit guy or a

615
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: journeyman until he got to the Lakers again late in

616
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: his career and was very helpful there. And maybe that

617
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: second title puts him over the edge, but I think

618
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: he's just on the outside looking in.

619
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't particularly get swayed by that second title.

620
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: He had to do more as a primary guy, I

621
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: think for me, and yeah, he got help definitely playing

622
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: with the Big three in Boston, a four time All Star.

623
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I like I look at it in the

624
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: second time, is you know, sort of what what GP

625
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: got when he got his title at the end of

626
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: his career, but he did more as a number one guy,

627
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: getting to the finals with the Sonics, and so.

628
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good career.

629
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: When you look at Rondo's, yeah, like it is impressive, like,

630
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, obviously leading the league in assists and all

631
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: the defensive nods he got. He was on All Rookie like,

632
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he's done a lot. He has the rings

633
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: like you guys just went over, but wasn't ever really

634
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: considered one of the Yeah, outside of one year making

635
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: one All NBA selection, he was never like he was

636
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: probably always like if you were making a list every year,

637
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: Rondo was probably coming in, I don't know, in the

638
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: twenties to thirties, I would like him talking like in

639
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: the Celtics days, like before the end of his career,

640
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: maybe a.

641
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: Little higher, probably twenties the thirties. Yeah makes sense. I

642
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: mean he was racking up assists, he was racking up steals,

643
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: and he was playing next to three Hall of famers,

644
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 3: so his job was fairly easy. But he excelled at it,

645
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: and then once he lost Boston, he was just like

646
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: in the wilderness basically until he finally got to LA

647
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: and became an important player again.

648
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had some problems with a bunch of teams

649
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: in Dallas and Sacramento, so that could hurt his case

650
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: with just yeah, burning some bridges. I think his case

651
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: will be the first modern player to win a title

652
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: with the Celtics and the Lakers. That'll be his his case,

653
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: I think, other than Clyde Lovelett, who won with the

654
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: Minneapolis Lakers and the Boston Celtics way back when.

655
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: Justice for Clyde, I'm glad you brought up Yeah, okay, good,

656
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: no justice for we don't need.

657
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: It, low Vellet.

658
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: Actually, Valet, I'm glad you brought up Prtford's two championship.

659
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: Two championships, is what I'm trying to say, because I

660
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: do find when people make Hall of Fame cases for players,

661
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: like it's funny to see what they pick and what

662
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: they have to pick sometimes and so like, I do

663
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: you care at all, honestly about NCAA Championships, Olympic Golds,

664
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: All Star Game, MVPs? What else do people try? Like

665
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: even like a three time assists leader or you know,

666
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: steal leader, Like do you care about those type of

667
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: things or do you at least can can agree with you?

668
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: Or like you realize you do it for some players

669
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 2: because you almost have to and you want to.

670
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: It's definitely the last thing to consider outside of the NBA.

671
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: But the fact that it's a pro Basketball Hall of

672
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: Fame rather than just an NBA Basketball Hall of Fame

673
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: means you got to consider college titles and it definitely

674
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: puts some players over the top, and I think that

675
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: could be the case for Horford. The funny thing to me, though,

676
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: is that definitely international play is included, but only if

677
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: it's before you come to the NBA, because if you

678
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: go and play in China or we're gonna talk about

679
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: a Mari Stademayer. Later, he played in a couple of

680
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: leagues in Israel and straight up dominated, right, But it

681
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.

682
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: Nobody cares.

683
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if it comes after your NBA career.

684
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: But if he were dominating and or you know, like

685
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: Luca's international career is already factoring in to him becoming

686
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: a lock because it came before he got to the NBA.

687
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: But if he were to go back and play for

688
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: Barcelona after his careers over people like, okay, this is

689
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: the end of his career, just having fun.

690
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, or even during like I know it's international play

691
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: and not like league international play, but you know, paal

692
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: Gasol had some awesome Spanish teams. We just watched him

693
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: go in. There's a little bump for that.

694
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I actually think there will be, or

695
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 2: hopefully will be even more consideration to having success in Olympics,

696
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: World Cups and stuff like that as the leagues or

697
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: the world gets better and better and better and it's

698
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: not a given that the States are always gonna win.

699
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: And it's like it's also showing, oh yeah, you were

700
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: you were one of the best to be selected to

701
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: that team. Like it's becoming more and more of an

702
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: achievement in my mind. But like you know, when the

703
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: Dream Team and Dream Team two and all that are

704
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: just waxing the rest of the world, Like I don't

705
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: put much stock into those golds. I'm sorry, I just don't.

706
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: It's like they said, the whole team in right right

707
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: later's in there because he's on that squad. But I

708
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: think as a goes on, I mean maybe, yeah, like

709
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: I'm I was sort of joking and it was in

710
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: the article, But like, if Rudy Gobert does really lead

711
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: France or Luca, let's say it was Lavinia whatever to

712
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: an Olympic gold because for whatever reason, we still care

713
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: about the Olympics more than the feeble World Cup. Right now,

714
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: that'll help someone's case, Like, it's a bump, no doubt,

715
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: usually if you're not you know, expected, Like, look, if

716
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: Patty Mills leads the Boomers to a World Cup gold

717
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: here in a couple of weeks, probably not gonna be

718
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: enough to get him into the Hall of Fame, but god,

719
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: it doesn't hurt some of these guys that are on

720
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: the fringe.

721
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 3: How many titles did you get with the true?

722
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: It's true? Okay, let's keep going here. One active on

723
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: track long list, Bam out of Bio, Devin Booker, Shay Gildos, Alexander,

724
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: Jared Jackson, Junior Donovan, Mitchell, John Morant, Karl, Anthony Towns,

725
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: and Trey Young. This is a new tier that Mike

726
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: Workinoff came up with compared to the other seasons with

727
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 2: Rob Peterson running the show. Yeah, thoughts on this idea

728
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 2: of an on track list and who there maybe would

729
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: you put at the top of the list as like,

730
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: to me, they're a locke nothing for certain in life,

731
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: but of all of them, the most luckiest TK, who'd

732
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: you go with their.

733
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 3: H Looking at that list, I see zero locks zero

734
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: cause to me, it means a Locke means your career

735
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: is over. You're in the Hall of Fame. Like if

736
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: these guys decided not to play today, none of those

737
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: guys make the Hall of Fame. If you're looking at

738
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: the longest track record of success, it's Donovan Mitchell, Bam

739
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: out of BIO and Karl Anthony Towns. I think Mitchell

740
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 3: and Bam are probably going to get some more awards

741
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: over the course of their NBA career, whether it be

742
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: All Star appearances all NBA appearances. Both of them could

743
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: do both, whereas Towns questionable if he makes another All

744
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: Star Game despite a really hot start to his career.

745
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: If I'm looking at those players, though, I think Bam

746
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: makes it. I think Booker ends up making it. Jared

747
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: Jackson Junior I think will be a Hall of Famer.

748
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell, shake Killer is just Alexander I think is

749
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: quite likely to make it. Dramrant should make it. The

750
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: only two I have out right now are Kat and

751
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: Trey Young, just because I feel like people have kind

752
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: of written their stories already and they got to turn

753
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: it around, much like Dirknoviski did.

754
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: Damn Yeah to see Triple J and that would be

755
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: an incredible story. Guys like that bam in there. But

756
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: I do agree that there's a reason they're on the

757
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: slide called on track. Most of these guys are on track.

758
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: Trey is an interesting one because of where his career

759
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: has gone. But he can do it. I would say

760
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: Booker to me, you know, despite not having a ton

761
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: of accolades, three time All Start, one time All NBA

762
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: kind of got screwed by getting injured this year or

763
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: else he would have had more. He scored so much

764
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: in his career, and now I think the playoff success

765
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: is coming. Like he has had seven straight years of

766
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: twenty two between twenty two and twenty eight points. That's

767
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: a lot of scoring. So he's got like thirteen thousand

768
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: points and the playoff success is coming. I think he's

769
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: just he's got that dog in him, so I think

770
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: he will have that playoff success and he will have

771
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: those accolades, So I think he's going to bump himself

772
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: to the top of this active on track list. Mitchell

773
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: and Josh shouldn't be far behind, you know, if Jack

774
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: can get things right there as well.

775
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: Okay, here's a better question, then who else should be

776
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 2: at it? To this on track list of active NBA players?

777
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: Was there a name that got overlooked?

778
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: I think that I'll make a case for Jamal Murray,

779
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: who has zero Wall Star peers, none, none, which is nuts.

780
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: But I could see a world where he plays his

781
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: whole career with the Nuggets, gets four or five six

782
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: All Star appearances, maybe wins the second title.

783
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, then stay attached, stay attached to Yoko, chances of

784
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: all this and you'll probably make the All Fame.

785
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: That's good point. Yoki will essentially get him there. But yeah,

786
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: he's It's weird because he been in the league technically

787
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: seven years, only played six years because of injury, and

788
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: had zero All Star appearances but won a title, and

789
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: it's hard to put him on track because of that.

790
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he's good enough and maybe he'll

791
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: sneak in and play for in the World Cup Final

792
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: for Canada and win a title as well, so, Yeah,

793
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: it's tough. That's a tough one. That's tough question. But

794
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: maybe it's recency biased there with Jamal Murray, but I

795
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: think he could anyone else.

796
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown, I think is probably in the mix. Two

797
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: time All Star, he just made All NBA this season.

798
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 3: He's already had a long career, so his counting stats

799
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: are going to be good. Already a lot of success

800
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: with the Celtics, but he would need to win a

801
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: title in Boston, I think to really be considered here.

802
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: I don't think he's on track right now. But being

803
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: that good that young gives you a chance to have

804
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: an incredible career, and I think that that's the way

805
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: he's pointing right now. But what if I told you,

806
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 3: go on there was an NBA player by the time

807
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: he was twenty four years old, was a three time

808
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: All Star, one time All NBA and two time All Defense.

809
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: Also one Rookie of the Year. That guy feels like

810
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: he's on track. That's Ben Simmons. I don't think he's

811
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: gonna make it, but I think he's on the outside

812
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: of change.

813
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

814
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: Wow, what a start to his career. By twenty four,

815
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: three time All Star Rookie of the Year, two time

816
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: All Defense and we might ever see him play again.

817
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: I hope we do, but yeah, you might be right.

818
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

819
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: So look, yeah that list, I mean, what you're getting

820
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: out here is no way they all make it. There's

821
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: not a chance somethings gonna happen to one, two, three,

822
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: four of these guys. And then of course there'll be

823
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: a whole other crop coming up. And there's other names.

824
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: You guys are listing, some good ones like you know

825
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: that have like got at least early accolades. It's what

826
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: it feels like you need, right, And he likes some

827
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: All NBA selections here early obviously, some All Star games

828
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: that you've appeared in early, early early. I mean who

829
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: else is there? Like deeron Fox obviously has some stats here,

830
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 2: but not a lot of accolades that yet.

831
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: Like Silas Anthony Edwards, he is doesn't have the accolades

832
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: to make the on track list yet, but he will

833
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: be on the on track list at the end of

834
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: next season. Sure.

835
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Jaring Jackson Junior is a guy here on this

836
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: on track list that didn't jump out to me as

837
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: a guy who screams Hall of Famer, but he's very young.

838
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: He's still pretty young, so twenty he'll be twenty four soon,

839
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: is the idea.

840
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: He and he's gonna be Yeah, on all these all

841
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: defensive teams, probably wins a couple more defensive Players of

842
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: the Year and and becomes a little bit like the

843
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert of like his sort of next wave here.

844
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: That's exactly how I was figuring it for kind of

845
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: him and for Bama to Bayo. Once you get into

846
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: the making all defense teams mix, it's hard to get

847
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: you out of there. And these guys are so young,

848
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: they're gonna have six or seven appearance as a piece.

849
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: Not to mention however many DPO wise they win.

850
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you goodall is going to get into

851
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: all defense teams. I think that's that's the where I

852
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: cut off the accolades. I'm like, okay, sometimes the all defense,

853
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: unless it's a big number like two, it's not enough

854
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: for you. Doesn't really sway an argument for me.

855
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: Well, let's hear from everybody out there when it comes

856
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: all those tiers and the Hall of Fame, who should

857
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: be bumped up, who should be removed, who should be

858
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: added to the on track tier? Let us know, as

859
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: you are right now in the stream, team, let us

860
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: know in the comments and tweet them in at no

861
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: Dunk's inc. Any other thoughts on any of those list

862
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: guys or you want to get to tweeted the Night,

863
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: which is also Basketball Hall of Fame related. Let's just

864
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: do it. JAD tweeted the night.

865
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: Tweet out the night. Wow, twitt, we're.

866
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: Debating guys that are gonna play another fifteen twenty years.

867
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: Let's talk about now.

868
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: God damn it.

869
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: ESPN NBA tweeted recently who should enter the Basketball Hall

870
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: of Fame in twenty twenty four? Yeah, we're talking next August.

871
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: We'll get a graphic here with some names. Vince Carter,

872
00:42:53,840 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: Jamal Crawford, Chauncey Billups, Amari Stodemeier, Joe Keem Noah he

873
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: won some college titles, and Sean Marion. Six names there

874
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: that they've included. So that's the c guys. Who's on

875
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: your Who's on your twenty twenty four Basketball Hall of

876
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: Fame ballot? Any of those guys, all of those guys,

877
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: What do you got?

878
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: What a story with Vince Carter? That's a story. A

879
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: dozen years into the league thought there was no chance

880
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: that he was. He he made me fall in love

881
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: with the game. But then seeing what happened with him

882
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: going from Toronto to New Jersey to Orlando where he

883
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: went to his first conference finals and it really was

884
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: not a fun conference finals for him against the Boston Celtics.

885
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: Then going to Phoenix in Dallas and people thinking this

886
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: is now way, and then he plays another decade. He's

887
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: got twenty five thousand points and everybody loves him, and

888
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: he's played the most years of any NBA player ever

889
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: he gets in. There's no doubt he could have. He

890
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: actually could have had more years in the NBA if

891
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: he wasn't four year college guy. Lot in college, So

892
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: it was either a three or four year as I

893
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: see here, he joined the NBA at twenty two, three

894
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: years three. Okay, he's in. He's in with a bullet.

895
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: I agree.

896
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought so, though, I agree.

897
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: And here's why. It's the Hall of Fame. That last

898
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: word is sort of important because it's not Hall of rings,

899
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: and it's not Hall of accolades and Hall of all

900
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: defensive selections and stuff like that. Fame and I do

901
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 2: like to look at the Basketball Hall of fame, as

902
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: can we like, do we need this particular player in

903
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: there to tell the story of basketball to help like

904
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: to tell a kid about, oh, this is what was

905
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: going on in this era and this is what was

906
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: These were the key players. And that doesn't just mean

907
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: they won, they won, they won. I mean, we have

908
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: basketball reference to tell us that Vince Carter was a superstar.

909
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: And I also like, if you're the best at something

910
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: in the league, that's really going to help your case.

911
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: Dennis Rawman was the greatest rebounder of all time. He said, good,

912
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: he won a bunch of rings too, titles, five titles.

913
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: He helped that. I mean, rebounding prove that you can

914
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: help ring rings. But Vince Carter is also the best

915
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: dunker in an in game we've ever seen. That helps

916
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: his case too for me. But the fame part, he

917
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: was like the act like, yeah, he's he. I don't

918
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: think you can correctly tell the history of basketball by

919
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: not including Vince Carter. In my opinion, I think you're

920
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: like omitting something very important. I guess what I'm getting at.

921
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: So I think that's why it helps him to get in.

922
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: So I got him in there.

923
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: That was a sweet dunk contest.

924
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: Well, he's got the best dunk contest in international basketball history.

925
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: He junks over Frederick. Yeah, best, Don excuse me. He's

926
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: probably got yeah, probably eight of the top ten dunks

927
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: in game in history. Yeah, and the dunk contest, of course.

928
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: But I think it counts. I think it matters.

929
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: I think it matters at the very end. Sure, because

930
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: like Zach Lavine is the best dunker in the NBA

931
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: right now, that guy's not close.

932
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: To a Hall of Famer.

933
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: He didn't even make these lists.

934
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 3: But Vince is the only lock on here because he

935
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: was famous a great dunker. He had an incredibly long

936
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: career and oh, by the way, he was one of

937
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: the best players in the league early on with the

938
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: Raptors and even when he was playing with the Nets

939
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: as well, twenty five a game easily. He left a

940
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 3: lot on the table, which is the criticism for Vince

941
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: for the early part of his career, but he earned

942
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: it back by playing five seasons at the end of

943
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: his career where he's averaged five points per game and

944
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: people are like, oh, he does love basketball, and that

945
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: really changed people's minds.

946
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do like the Yeah, the fame, the glamour.

947
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: Part of this game is being flashy. So I like

948
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: having one of the best dunkers, the best nunker for

949
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: me in the Hall of Fame. I'm totally good with that,

950
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: and yeah, I like him. Does it help a little

951
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: bit that he's in a class here with other guys

952
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: who aren't locks, Yeah, I think so. That's how the

953
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: Basketball Hall of Fame works. If you are the luckiest

954
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: off the locks, you're getting in, even if it ain't

955
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: that locky, because yeah, compared to Sean Mary and Mary Stodemeyer,

956
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: Vince right now has the reputation to beat all those

957
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: guys out.

958
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: M HM was a great sort of to illustrate that point.

959
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: Mike Workanoff wrote, Chauncey Billups Hall eligible since twenty eighteen.

960
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: Chouncey Billips made five All Star teams, three All NBA teams.

961
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: He cracked the top five on the MVP bell at once,

962
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: he won a championship as the Pistons' best player, and

963
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: he took home the NBA Finals MVP Award. Strong case there, right,

964
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: but he's not in. Tim Hardaway Senior, also a five

965
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: time All Star, five All NBA teams. He got one

966
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: First Team and he cracked the top five on the

967
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: MVP Bello at once, never made it to the NBA Finals.

968
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: He was inducted in twenty twenty two. So it is

969
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: a little weird, but I think a part of it

970
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: is the class that's going in at that time, and

971
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: obviously how many times you've been on the ballot, and

972
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: I get all that, but like that's a perfect example

973
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: of like Tim Hardaway seniors in, but Chauncey Phillips isn't.

974
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: Huh, Well, that means Chauncey Billups is probably getting in

975
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: this year, probably, yeah, because he's probably got the second

976
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: best case of these players. Vince the only lock for me. Obviously,

977
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: Billups has had a few chances to get in at

978
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: this point, but he does have the championship. He was

979
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: a really good player during his era, made numerous All

980
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: NBA teams, numerous All Defense teams. So he's probably number

981
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: two of these six guys, which means good odds of

982
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: getting in this year. Because they don't want to have

983
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: a short show.

984
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they can't just put one or two guys in.

985
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: They never do that.

986
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: So that's why Sean Mariyon's got a great case. This

987
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: might be his best chance in terms of who he's

988
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: going in with.

989
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: Do you think you'd sort of have him third, have

990
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: him third?

991
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: But voters may not want to put somebody who's not

992
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: a first ballot lock in on the first try here

993
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: because this is his first time he's eligible and he

994
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: may not get in there. But yeah, you want to

995
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: have at least three basketball in terms of the NBA

996
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame inductees being presented, right, you want three?

997
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: Like you said, you want a long show.

998
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: You're going Marryon over Jamal Crawford.

999
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, on marrying over Jamal Crawford, more playoff success, uh

1000
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: and yeah, more counting stats, I guess maybe more counting

1001
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: stats depending on the stat.

1002
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: And more podcasts done by us on why se mary

1003
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: I feel like we've done like eight at this point

1004
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: over the years.

1005
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I.

1006
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: Think I've changed my mind. I think I'm out on

1007
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: Sean Marion. Now, okay, go on, what he's like the

1008
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: fourth guy on that team?

1009
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: Which team precisely is the number two two A on

1010
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: the Suns?

1011
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: What I mean, Nash is number one, Sto is number two, easily.

1012
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: Number three? Okay, Sean Maryon was awesome on those teams.

1013
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but slot. You could slot in a lot of

1014
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 3: guys to play the Shawn Marion role on that team.

1015
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: How dare I don't know about that. That's too that's

1016
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: too far, that's too far. Maybe maybe our Jeff could

1017
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: have been that guy.

1018
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew Wiggins would be a Hall of Famer if

1019
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: you played with Steve Nash.

1020
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, okay.

1021
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: Rudy Gay could have played the Shawn mary enroll.

1022
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: No I argue hog to hoggy Sean Marion cared about

1023
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: the game. Uh yeah, So Andrew Wigan's is gonna get

1024
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: him for playing with Steph? Maybe probably not, But then

1025
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: you want to tell able the Mass people forget.

1026
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: That if he doesn't have that, he does not have

1027
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: and he played really well there obviously was pretty instrumental.

1028
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: He could have. He could call him the second best player.

1029
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: You might be wrong, Tyson Chandler, Jason Terry on that

1030
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: Mass kid, he was not old.

1031
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: But that that has even got him like in the

1032
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: running here getting that yes and being part.

1033
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 3: But you know, if you show up against Lebron James,

1034
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 3: people are going to talk about you as a potential

1035
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. Yeah, that's kind of what it comes

1036
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: down to.

1037
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: Marion has this weird thing though too.

1038
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: He would all would be a Hall of Famer if he

1039
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: played with Steven National Guarantee.

1040
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: Well, Marion has this weird thing too, where he has

1041
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: like all these accumulative cumulative stats across like all of

1042
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: the categories, right, I don't have. It's like he's one

1043
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: of the rare guys that have like whatever the threshold

1044
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: you want to put it at is in steels, in blocks,

1045
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: in rebounds, and assists in points because he was like

1046
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: sort of that. I mean, it's not a player which

1047
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: is sort of aigo doll like too. It's like they

1048
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: they can do everything and they could were really they

1049
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: were good at everything, but maybe not great at one thing,

1050
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. So of course defensively was probably

1051
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: his strong.

1052
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, playing with Dirk dragged him to a championship.

1053
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: The guys who are sort of really good players and

1054
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: need championship titles, like Anthony Davis not a lock until

1055
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: he played with Lebron and he won a title. There's

1056
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: lots of guys like that. So yeah, and Nash didn't

1057
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: drag anybody to the championship, but dragged him to different heights.

1058
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: Why is Jamal Crawford in for.

1059
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: You just gonna say that six man Ever, Yeah, that

1060
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: goes with my thinking. If you're the best at the one,

1061
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: now it's a weird one. It's a weird one, but

1062
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: he is. You're judged differently if you come off the best.

1063
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: You don't have to have the counting stats. But he's

1064
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: got three six Man of the Year awards. That's incredible,

1065
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: So I guess, I mean, I think I think it was.

1066
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: Lou Williams said that him and Jamal Crawford should both

1067
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: be in. I feel like you can only take one

1068
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: of them, and right now would be Jamal because he's.

1069
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: Up for grabs. Twenty years in the NBA. This guy

1070
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: played that's crazy.

1071
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got that love of the game too.

1072
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: Game.

1073
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this is like I love this list.

1074
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I like where we're getting into these guys like,

1075
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: oh just maybe not. And then AMRII Stotameyer, let's round

1076
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: it out there, and and Joel keep Noah are they

1077
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: lower Joe?

1078
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: You talking about a personal hall of fame? Joe quib

1079
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: Noah is my personal hall of fame quite easy. But

1080
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 3: he is the kind of player that a ring of

1081
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: honor is made for or getting your jersey rotas. Unfortunately,

1082
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 3: teams have different requirements or regulations for choosing how they

1083
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: want to retire players. Uh so, maybe it doesn't happen

1084
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: with the Bulls just because they tend to not retire jerseys.

1085
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: But he I would hang his jersey in my house.

1086
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: As for a Mari Stodemeier, he should make the Hall

1087
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: of Fame for what if? He's not a name that

1088
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 3: gets brought up a lot for injuries derailing a career.

1089
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 3: It's usually Derreck Rose, Penny Hardaway, Brandon Royd comes up sometimes.

1090
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: But Amari as a rookie before he had his very

1091
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: first knee injury with the Sons, he was putting up

1092
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: thirty seven a game on Tim Duncan. Yeah, in his prime,

1093
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: a Mary Stottemeier, like Lebron's the best athlete in the

1094
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: league throughout his career. Amari when he was healthy at

1095
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: the beginning of his career is probably the number two guy.

1096
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 2: Timer Dwight.

1097
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Timmer Dwight and Amari was like all

1098
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: NBA player as well. He did have the knee injury,

1099
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 3: came back and suddenly he gets shoot jumpers, still scoring

1100
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: twenty five a game alongside Steve Nash there. Then eventually

1101
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 3: his body really broke down once he finally got to

1102
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: New York and it was a short run for Amari

1103
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 3: and he was usually giving it back on the other side.

1104
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: But that's a guy that should get brought up more

1105
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: often for what would have happened if he never got hurt.

1106
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: Yep, Jerome chiming in here on slack that twenty twenty

1107
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: four group we just showed you. ESPN's tweet had Jerome's

1108
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 2: two fifths of his perfect player. When we did squad,

1109
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 2: it's Carter Yeah and Jamal Crawford. I guess what in

1110
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 2: athleticism and handles he went with Jamal Crawford.

1111
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1112
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's hear who's on your twenty twenty

1113
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: four Basketball Hall of Fame ballot from those six guys

1114
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: or maybe someone that's obviously up again to possibly get in.

1115
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: Let us know who you taking any other thoughts boys

1116
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: on the Hall of Fame. Glad we did this.

1117
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: That's good.

1118
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: I'm glad we made its own show. You're right to

1119
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 2: ask you. We're right on that one. We're gonna slip

1120
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: it in back half of a show with a bunch

1121
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: of other informations.

1122
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: In August Man in August. This is its own show.

1123
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, all right, well let us know in the

1124
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: comments your thoughts on all these guys chances of making

1125
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: the Basketball Hall of Fame. Also tell us, do you

1126
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 2: want to just like start over NBA Hall of Fame?

1127
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, Okay, we gonna make.

1128
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: A lot of content out of that. We're starting over,

1129
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: just out that would be incredible, Like sorry, all these

1130
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: other basketball I did read this, and I don't know

1131
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: if it's true, So I'm gonna go with it. The

1132
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: Hall is like I'm always joking, even I've done it

1133
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: already on this podcast. Everybody gets it. Everybody gets it.

1134
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: Everybody gets it. It's a little more exclusive than people think.

1135
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: Apparently only one hundred and eleven NBA players are in

1136
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: the Hall, representing three percent of all NBA players over

1137
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: the last seventy five plus years, and the rest of

1138
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: the four hundred inductees are international players, coaches, female players, executives, owners, contributors.

1139
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, but we're always joking that

1140
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 2: everybody gets in. It is still a pretty damn small

1141
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: percentage and prestigious to get in. It's just this, it's

1142
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: this mystery around it of like why does so and

1143
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: so get in but so and so doesn't, And who

1144
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: the hell's even voting on it anyway? Right? I think

1145
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: that's what goes on here, where it differs than at

1146
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: least the Baseball Fame.

1147
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, put your name on it, or it's just Jerry

1148
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: Colangelo just.

1149
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: Say yeah, well yeah, Jerry picks. Then Jerry's rules. That's right,

1150
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: that's right. Maybe it will maybe it will. Right, let's

1151
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: call it there, guys. Reminder though, starting on Friday, it's

1152
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: Foeba World Cup time and we're going to be doing

1153
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: some playbacks. August twenty fifth. Our first game lock it

1154
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: in Canada, France. That's a big game for the group.

1155
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 2: We huge game. Wait wiit U nine am Eastern, and

1156
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 2: then you see some other games we've got here, First

1157
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: States Game, Usavers and New Zealand. That's on Saturday. These

1158
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: are early mornings here on the East Coast, very early

1159
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: few West coasters. But come join us on Playback Playback

1160
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: dot tv, slash NOTEME, so you can join our room

1161
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: and then we'll fire these up. A lot of these

1162
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: games are like ESPN Plus and maybe some are on ESPN.

1163
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the US games are on ESPN and then the other.

1164
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you see the whole schedule. I'm not going

1165
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: to read the whole thing here, but oh, even the

1166
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: little bonus game in there, Spain game.

1167
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: I want to see the Bruno koboclo versus one Choke game.

1168
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: How was? I didn't see much of it, only some

1169
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 2: highlights the USA warm up game.

1170
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: Grease fought if they fought.

1171
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 3: A lot of Walker Kessler that game?

1172
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: How did my guy do? That was on the thumbnail.

1173
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 3: He's pretty good.

1174
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: We talked about him. Yeah, it should be a second

1175
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: round draft pick next year.

1176
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: Oh, he's really good and he's yeah.

1177
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: It's pretty I guess he's twa.

1178
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: He's gonna be good in the NBA. The Greek coach

1179
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: wasn't letting him stretch his wings. Oh enough, okay, Task said,

1180
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit too more, too much of a

1181
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: freelance player for the Phoebi game.

1182
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: Yes, that that's good in the NBA.

1183
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: That's right, Go get you a bucket. Nicky Rags we're calling.

1184
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: Him yeah, okay, great?

1185
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, stream team, the playback team called him that because

1186
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: his last name is so hard to say.

1187
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna call it Nicky Raggs. For the basketball

1188
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.

1189
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: Were including international of course, once they upset uh, you know,

1190
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: the States on Monday.

1191
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they go on to win the whole thing

1192
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: and Nicky Rags wins m VP of Phoebe world Be.

1193
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, get him in there, all right, guys, so

1194
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: we'll see you there on playback. We've got no bunts

1195
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: coming up tomorrow. Go check out. Is this good? And

1196
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: if any big news happens with Damian Lillard or James Harden,

1197
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: this is turning into a Matt Damon bit on Kimmel's

1198
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: Show where sorry, we ran out of time to talk

1199
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: about those guys. But if, yeah, one of them gets traded,

1200
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: obviously we'll do an emergency podcast. But make sure you subscribe,

1201
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: make sure you share the show, tell your friends, and uh,

1202
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: we'll at least see you for those playback games starting

1203
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: on Friday till then Clipper Bross.

1204
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 3: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

1205
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: Love you guys, awesome.

1206
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. And remember the first Laker slash

1207
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: Celtic to make the Hall of Fame, the first guy

1208
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: who won with the Lakers and the Celtics, not Rondo,

1209
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: It's Clyde lovelet rip to Clyde Lovelett. You know his nicknames.

1210
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: These are great, won't I won't look it up. I didn't,

1211
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. It's and asked, I guess he was a

1212
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: bigger person.

1213
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: No, wide Clyde.

1214
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: No, that has nothing to actually do with his name.

1215
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: So the Tower, the largest of c animals, the whale,

1216
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: whale man who's called the whale, also called Brendon Fraser,

1217
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: also called I'm gonna watch that.

1218
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: I watch it?

1219
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: You like it?

1220
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: No? I got it? No?

1221
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: Okay, you plane watched it?

1222
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: No, no, I watched it home.

1223
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: It was also called jelly belly, boomer and boom boom.

1224
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: I like this kind yeah yeah, little belly. Uh.

1225
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: Embrace the day, people,