Speaker 1: Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Forward Thinking, Taylor, and welcome to Forward Thinking, love podcast
Speaker 1: that looks in the future and says it's so hard
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to tomorrow. I'm Jonathan Stripling and I'm
Speaker 1: Joe McCormick. So, guys, this is it. Um. This is
Speaker 1: our final episode of the audio podcast format for Forward Thinking.
Speaker 1: And uh, this was not something that we were uh
Speaker 1: pushing for. It's something that kind of happened. The video
Speaker 1: series is going to continue on. We really appreciate all
Speaker 1: you fans out there who have been sending us messages
Speaker 1: all this time. Uh, And we didn't want to just
Speaker 1: leave with like an episode and then have nothing happened.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of our goodbye episode. We wanted
Speaker 1: to spend a little time thinking about some of the
Speaker 1: topics that we talked about in the past and kind
Speaker 1: of just going a little bit stuff about the episodes
Speaker 1: we've done so far. First, before we even get started,
Speaker 1: I want to play this tiny clip from the very
Speaker 1: first episode of Forward Thinking's audio podcast called forward Momentum.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Forward Thinking. This is how we introduced ourselves
Speaker 1: in that very first episode. Greetings, everyone, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: very first episode of Forward Thinking. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, and I am joined by two phenomenal people,
Speaker 1: two of my favorite people the whole wide world. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to have the first one introduce herself to
Speaker 1: you right now. Hey, I'm Lauren Vocalbon. I'm the co
Speaker 1: host of another technology podcast called tech Stuff. I am
Speaker 1: Joe McCormick, and I'm a writer for the Forward Thinking
Speaker 1: video series Excellent and so this audio pod. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we livened up a bit since then, did Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was my very reserved You were a little reserved, but
Speaker 1: I mean you were. Joe had just started podcasting when
Speaker 1: he joined UH and we started doing the Forward Thinking
Speaker 1: Audio podcast and now you're a pro. So, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was year. That was your first time podcasting ever for
Speaker 1: that first episode, was it? Yes? It was. So. I
Speaker 1: thought we could touch a little bit on some of
Speaker 1: the topics that we've covered, talk about some of our favorites,
Speaker 1: and just some other like behind the scenes type stuff
Speaker 1: in a very short kind of farewell to the fans episode. Now,
Speaker 1: we've recently done episodes where we talked about three D
Speaker 1: printers again and driverless cars, We talked about that in
Speaker 1: an episode like two back, so I don't want to
Speaker 1: even touch on those because we've already just covered them.
Speaker 1: But the very first topic we covered on Forward Thinking
Speaker 1: was the Internet of Things, which is no big surprise.
Speaker 1: It's a huge topic, very buzzy. It was especially buzzy
Speaker 1: right that very moment. Yes, it's still still buzzing right now,
Speaker 1: but it was one of those things where there was
Speaker 1: the topic was just starting to get some momentum in
Speaker 1: the public consciousness. Although I think there are still a
Speaker 1: lot of people who don't know what the Internet of
Speaker 1: things means. But recent stories have you know, been uh
Speaker 1: continuing to develop around the Internet of things. The basic
Speaker 1: idea being that you have all these different devices that
Speaker 1: can connect to the Internet and share information in some
Speaker 1: way or enact change in your environment in some way. Um.
Speaker 1: But one of the stories I wanted to mention is
Speaker 1: that apparently that also means creating lots more security vulnerabilities. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You've got a ton of stuff connected to the Internet,
Speaker 1: to make sense, Yeah, and not all of it is
Speaker 1: as protected as your notebook or yes, and you're less
Speaker 1: protected items. People are still terrible at passwords, right, So
Speaker 1: One problem is that you've got a lot of Internet
Speaker 1: of Things devices that don't have any password protection at all.
Speaker 1: Another problem is that some of them have hard coded passwords,
Speaker 1: meaning that if you get access to what a company
Speaker 1: uses as the hard code password for that particular product,
Speaker 1: it's open season. And then a lot of people just
Speaker 1: never bother changing the the standard password that comes like
Speaker 1: with a router. For example, I got a new router,
Speaker 1: and so I went in and changed the password because
Speaker 1: the default password was password. Do you remember when we
Speaker 1: did the story about the baby monitors that we're being
Speaker 1: taken over by hackers from all over the world to
Speaker 1: watch it on other people's babies and talk to them
Speaker 1: and like yell at them and tell them to start crying. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's not not cool. Uh. And I think that was
Speaker 1: because of unchanged default passwords. Yeah, yeah, it exactly was.
Speaker 1: What What wasn't there a story about like like utility centers,
Speaker 1: like like river dams or something like that having the
Speaker 1: software in them that had unchanged passwords. There were there
Speaker 1: were stories of there were stories of they were using
Speaker 1: baby monitors to control the damns. There were stories of
Speaker 1: of code found in some of those systems where it
Speaker 1: was clear that foreign agents had managed to infiltrate the
Speaker 1: systems of various important utility companies across the United States
Speaker 1: and put in code that was not meant to be there,
Speaker 1: uh through whatever. Who knows how it got there. It
Speaker 1: could have gotten there by a thumb drive or you
Speaker 1: know anything. But the reason why I bring up Internet
Speaker 1: things in particular is that recently there was a story
Speaker 1: that I saw in tech Dirt about a security researcher
Speaker 1: named Brian Krebs who was the target of a directed
Speaker 1: denial of service attack a di DOS attack, where apparently
Speaker 1: he was being hit by a six twenty gigabits per
Speaker 1: second of traffic to the website that he he has.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of gigabits. Gigabits, Yeah, when a Google
Speaker 1: Fiber connection is one gigabit per second and that's way
Speaker 1: faster than anything I have. Six twenty is massive. And
Speaker 1: the they suspect that the a lot of this traffic
Speaker 1: came from Internet of Things devices like digital video recorders
Speaker 1: and routers. This means that the hacker who was perpetrating
Speaker 1: the attack and captured lots of devices out in the
Speaker 1: wild essentially made them work for him. Or her. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: very much. So. Uh, there are other issues with Internet things,
Speaker 1: like the concept of privacy. We've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: the idea that if you have an environment that's going
Speaker 1: to react to you and change according to your preferences,
Speaker 1: it has to know about you in order to do that,
Speaker 1: which means you give up some of your private to see,
Speaker 1: even if it's not your name or any other kind
Speaker 1: of demographic information about you, it starts to learn your preferences,
Speaker 1: which alone is a very valuable database of information for
Speaker 1: lots of different companies. And as it turns out, just
Speaker 1: if you want an Internet of things that is customizable
Speaker 1: and personalized, then you have to Yeah. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: growing concern. All that being said, I still think the
Speaker 1: Internet of things concept is really cool, but um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's we we need to be really aware of how
Speaker 1: we develop and implement that technology in order to do
Speaker 1: it responsibly. Some of the other cool things we talked
Speaker 1: about in those early episodes. So I was going back
Speaker 1: through and I was looking at all the different titles
Speaker 1: and stuff. I reminded I was reminded that how much
Speaker 1: I loved the episodes we did about time. Oh that
Speaker 1: was fun. Yeah, talking about how time is dependent upon
Speaker 1: your context, right, your frame of reference. So if you're
Speaker 1: traveling super fast and and some one else is on
Speaker 1: is not traveling super fast. From your perspective, traveling super fast,
Speaker 1: it looks like their life is just whishing by, and
Speaker 1: from their perspective, it would look like you are barely
Speaker 1: moving at all within the frame of one. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that episode gave me a headache, I remember, because it
Speaker 1: was all like time is relative, literally relative to your
Speaker 1: frame of reference. That's why we say that. I know
Speaker 1: some people take that to mean that time does not exist,
Speaker 1: to which I disagree. Yeah, I saw a recent article
Speaker 1: about people suggesting that time was merely a construct in
Speaker 1: our minds. It was essentially our brain's way of making
Speaker 1: sense of things, and that times arrow doesn't point in
Speaker 1: one direction because if you start looking at massive calculations
Speaker 1: on the galactic scale, they are reversible, whether time travels
Speaker 1: in one direction or the other. So it may just
Speaker 1: be that at our very tiny local level, we have
Speaker 1: to have time going in a specific way or else
Speaker 1: things don't make sense. And like what but what I think?
Speaker 1: Time definitely does exist, but it's possible that the present
Speaker 1: does not exist. I get presents all the time. We
Speaker 1: also talked about some pop culture stuff. Two of my
Speaker 1: favorite episodes We've ever done. Yeah, those back to Back
Speaker 1: to the Future part two, parts one and two where
Speaker 1: it was back to Back to the Future to part two.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite title ever. Those those were some
Speaker 1: great episodes. Yeah, that's where we learned that everyone will
Speaker 1: have a fax machine in every room of their house. Yes,
Speaker 1: many people would be Michael J. Fox. Did we rate
Speaker 1: that true? I think we said that was a good one, right,
Speaker 1: it might have been. I it's been a long time.
Speaker 1: The what's the pizza disc where they stick a little
Speaker 1: pizza disk? You really know how to hydrated pizza? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and half of the pizza had just had bell peppers
Speaker 1: on it, and I was like, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: You know? One of my favorite episodes we ever did
Speaker 1: was the one about the future of talking, the future
Speaker 1: of speech. Maybe not the future of talk. That's not
Speaker 1: how should put it? Language the languages that we speak,
Speaker 1: because languages change over time. They evolve over time just
Speaker 1: like organisms do, but on much shorter time scales and
Speaker 1: in very interesting ways. One of my favorite classes I
Speaker 1: took in college was the history of the English language,
Speaker 1: learning about how English has changed since you know, the
Speaker 1: year eight hundred, and it has changed dramatically since then,
Speaker 1: it very much. Yeah, an English speaker today without a
Speaker 1: lot of training could not read Old English Anglo Saxon
Speaker 1: would need to have You would sit there and say like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this is Germany. Yeah, yeah, And and
Speaker 1: we we also got to to read a bunch of
Speaker 1: of of different bits of language from from uh, like
Speaker 1: a hundred years in the past, each time like seventy
Speaker 1: years in the past, something like that. We jumped back
Speaker 1: and back and back until the old English thought yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my favorite. Hailing did the h for the Middle English?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, fair enough, Okay, No, So we we
Speaker 1: talked about how language changes over time, and we tried
Speaker 1: to think, okay, well, looking at how language has changed
Speaker 1: in the past, can we make predictions about the future.
Speaker 1: We made a few, but but we weren't able to
Speaker 1: make all that many predictions about how English is going
Speaker 1: to change in the future, because I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to predict things like this. But I went back
Speaker 1: to see if there had been anything interesting published on
Speaker 1: this topic since our podcast came out. And Son of
Speaker 1: a Gun. One really interesting article I read was from
Speaker 1: The Economist and it was published just about a month
Speaker 1: after our podcast came out. This is the problem there,
Speaker 1: and it would have been a great resource for us
Speaker 1: because it was really interested interesting. So it pointed out
Speaker 1: one thing about English that is going to be highly
Speaker 1: determinative of how it changes in the future, which is
Speaker 1: that about two thirds of the people who speak English
Speaker 1: in the world are not native English speakers. More people
Speaker 1: speak English as a non native language than as a
Speaker 1: native language, and so it's possible that English has actually
Speaker 1: used more as a kind of lingua franca around the
Speaker 1: world then it is as somebody's default speaking language. And
Speaker 1: there's no real sign of this reversing. So what does
Speaker 1: this mean for the future of English and uh And
Speaker 1: the article pointed out that linguistics researchers have short they've
Speaker 1: sort of shown that bigger languages that you know, incorporate
Speaker 1: more speakers, tend to become simpler. As a language is
Speaker 1: spoken by more non native adults, it's likely to lose
Speaker 1: unnecessary bits and rules such as grammatical inflection. Jonathan, you
Speaker 1: know this from the history of English. English used to
Speaker 1: have different versions of the same word depending on what
Speaker 1: grammatical role that word played in English, and some languages
Speaker 1: are still like this. Well yeah, like English used to
Speaker 1: have different words or you as a singular you, and
Speaker 1: you as in a group of people you. In fact,
Speaker 1: if you get down to it, it had you you
Speaker 1: too and all of you guys, which we we in
Speaker 1: the South still have because we have y'all, and that
Speaker 1: that's a totally different type of that's true all y'all,
Speaker 1: which is way more people than just y'all. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I love all y'all. Y'all is a good word. I
Speaker 1: think all English speakers should adopt y'all. But but anyway,
Speaker 1: so the example that that is given in the article
Speaker 1: of the grammatical inflection changing would be who versus whom.
Speaker 1: So it's the same word, but it changes whether based
Speaker 1: on whether you're using it is the subject or the
Speaker 1: object and the sentence. English used to have this kind
Speaker 1: of thing for all kinds of words, and most of
Speaker 1: these have already gone away, and whom is probably going
Speaker 1: to disappear as well. But we can expect similar types
Speaker 1: of streamlining of the rules of language. And in a
Speaker 1: good way to figure this out is to listen to
Speaker 1: a adults trying to learn to speak English. Whatever is
Speaker 1: tripping them up the most, say like verb tense aspect,
Speaker 1: which is where there are three different forms of the
Speaker 1: present tense. So like, uh, let's say you know you've
Speaker 1: got a saw and you're sawing a board, so you
Speaker 1: say I saw. You can also say I am sawing.
Speaker 1: You can also say I do saw. You're no matter
Speaker 1: what you're sawing? All the what? What is with all
Speaker 1: these different tense cases? This is stupid. We're probably going
Speaker 1: to lose stuff like that. I'm okay with most of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we can also expect dialects and pronunciation to continue
Speaker 1: to change. All the Northern cities shift in how we
Speaker 1: pronounce American vowels that we mentioned that in our old episode.
Speaker 1: And another interesting thing they pointed out in this article
Speaker 1: is is sort of eui isms, which is how we're
Speaker 1: the meanings of words changing based on words in English
Speaker 1: being misused because similar sounding words means something different in
Speaker 1: another language. Yes, so they give a great example of this.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to read a quote from the article. Quote.
Speaker 1: For example, European Union bureaucrats are likely to use the
Speaker 1: English control to mean monitor or verify because controller or
Speaker 1: controllery in have this meaning. In French and German. Other
Speaker 1: examples are assist for attend and actual for current. Yeah,
Speaker 1: control being used to mean monitor a verif I could
Speaker 1: cause some real confusion right now, Yeah, yeah, because you
Speaker 1: use that in just the you know you're talking about
Speaker 1: like let's say, let's say that you're talking about monitoring
Speaker 1: the behavior of a crowd. If you're talking about controlling
Speaker 1: the behavior of a crowd, that has a totally different meaning,
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, And I'm sure it could lead to
Speaker 1: those kinds of confusions. But but yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: that that was really interesting to me. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe this is more interesting to me than it is
Speaker 1: to other but trying to imagine just how the very
Speaker 1: words we speak will be different. Well, and we had
Speaker 1: so many episodes that kind of we're spokes connected to
Speaker 1: this concept, right. We had the ones where we said, well,
Speaker 1: how do you create a language that people will be
Speaker 1: able to understand ten thousand years from now? Right? How
Speaker 1: do you create ways of alerting people to your intent
Speaker 1: when you have no way of knowing how how the
Speaker 1: language is going to evolve change, Maybe even the language
Speaker 1: you're using is completely eradicated by the time, and and
Speaker 1: you need that for certain things like telling people, hey,
Speaker 1: this is where we stored all our nuclear waste. Don't
Speaker 1: go in here, exactly touch it, don't put it in
Speaker 1: your eyeballs. It's going to be dangerous for longer than
Speaker 1: your language exists, and exactly on eyestalks. That's a great
Speaker 1: way of saying that. We also had an episode about
Speaker 1: how would we talk to aliens? Like, we really did
Speaker 1: focus on language in quite a few episodes. And and
Speaker 1: possibly because we're in English major, I was about to
Speaker 1: make the same reference. Yes, the fact that we're English
Speaker 1: majors probably had something to do with that, but it's
Speaker 1: it is a really interesting to think about, the thing
Speaker 1: to think about. I don't think we're ever going to
Speaker 1: get to the point where we only uh communicate in
Speaker 1: references and metaphor the way that Star Trek Next Generation
Speaker 1: episode everyone likes but is actually secretly terrible um dead
Speaker 1: the Star Trek episodes, Yes, Darmak so Picard beams down
Speaker 1: to a planet he's down with an alien leader. They
Speaker 1: do not the universal translator will not translate what the
Speaker 1: guy is saying, and the guy only speaks in um
Speaker 1: in in references to things that are relevant in his culture.
Speaker 1: So like if he wants to say right if well,
Speaker 1: sadly no, or interpretive dance would have been great too,
Speaker 1: but neither is true. So so if he wanted to say,
Speaker 1: you and I need to work together in order to
Speaker 1: overcome this challenge, instead he would say like Darmak and
Speaker 1: jannad at Tanagra, that would be because in his culture
Speaker 1: that references a story of two powl who used to
Speaker 1: be at cross purposes, but who then work together to
Speaker 1: overcome a third problem. Uh, that would be. But the
Speaker 1: issue I have there is that unless you have a language,
Speaker 1: you cannot build the stories that you then use as
Speaker 1: reference to communicate your ideas. Well, maybe they had a
Speaker 1: language and they forgotten and now, but how do you
Speaker 1: That seems like a really inefficient way to teach people
Speaker 1: how to communicate, like talking you to a baby, like
Speaker 1: once they get to the point where they are beyond
Speaker 1: making the actual sounds like all right, now, I gotta
Speaker 1: teach you an entire sentence to mean this general idea
Speaker 1: that that can be applied to anything that falls within
Speaker 1: that general idea. I can imagine that maybe if all
Speaker 1: teaching of language is done with visual aids, like if
Speaker 1: they don't just have books that are just text, but
Speaker 1: everything is like captions accompanying images. Yeah, maybe, sure, Sure.
Speaker 1: There was an interesting play by by Johnny Drago that
Speaker 1: happened here in Atlanta that positive um that that in
Speaker 1: some not too distant future are archaeologists would would find
Speaker 1: scraps of of of what we know today's human language
Speaker 1: and call it proto emoji. I both love it and
Speaker 1: hate it at the same time. That's fantastic, Jonathan, what's
Speaker 1: your favorite emoji? I mean, poop, It's always going to
Speaker 1: be the answer. I'm a big fan of the alligator.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Sometimes I just send my wife
Speaker 1: an alligator, very very rarely. I mean the closest I
Speaker 1: I use are still emoticons. I don't tend to use
Speaker 1: a lot of emojis. Some some of the chat stuff
Speaker 1: will automatically translate an emoticon into an emoji. Was so
Speaker 1: mad about that, Like, if I wanted an emoji, I
Speaker 1: would have put it in there. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: colon end up, you know, a closed parentheses. I didn't
Speaker 1: want it to be like this weird gaping smiling thing. Uh,
Speaker 1: but I'm old So, okay, I've got another favorite episode. Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't want to tell us about your favorite emoji?
Speaker 1: Oh you did? You did? Alligator? Like alg it? And
Speaker 1: I like the devil. I like I like the I
Speaker 1: like the cat, not the cat face, the kind of
Speaker 1: disdainful cat. Yeah, yeah, cat frowning upon you. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know how a cat that's like less than a
Speaker 1: centimeter manages to still look disdainful. It's like a cat's superpower,
Speaker 1: pretty sure. Disdainful cat and devil or suck it petting?
Speaker 1: All right, what any other favorite episodes you want to cover? Yeah?
Speaker 1: There was one I remembered that I had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun thinking about, and it was the one about
Speaker 1: what happens when a robot breaks the law? Where we
Speaker 1: were covering a couple of stories about computer programs that
Speaker 1: had had had done something autonomously that required the attention
Speaker 1: of law enforcement. Now, it's not any big problem to
Speaker 1: imagine what should be done when a robot does a
Speaker 1: essentially performs a directed action that it was program to do,
Speaker 1: and then it breaks the law. Right then you would
Speaker 1: you would argue whoever, whomever programmed the robot would be
Speaker 1: at fault. Yeah, but what about when when robots or
Speaker 1: computer programs autonomously do something that has harmful legal repercussions,
Speaker 1: but nobody directly told it to do that, It's just
Speaker 1: emergent behavior. Uh. And so I really remember thinking that
Speaker 1: was a very interesting problem problem to think about, like
Speaker 1: what it makes you consider, what is the nature of
Speaker 1: legal and moral responsibility? Who really should bear it? And
Speaker 1: then also I know that you guys did an episode
Speaker 1: without me about robot personhood, which I think sort of
Speaker 1: revisited this topic, didn't. Yeah, definitely, it wasn't on purpose.
Speaker 1: We wanted you to be there. You just weren't there
Speaker 1: for whatever personal reason you had for not being there
Speaker 1: that day. We weren't like, let us exclude Joe from
Speaker 1: this episode. That's when I was out of town for
Speaker 1: something I would imagine so um but but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the episode was called Our Robots Electronic Persons. It was
Speaker 1: from July of this year. Um, And we did it
Speaker 1: because the European Parliament had released a proposal for civil
Speaker 1: laws that relate to robotics um and very much so
Speaker 1: talked about section of this proposal discussed possibilities for robot
Speaker 1: person right. Essentially, this was a committee that said, we
Speaker 1: got together to think about these things that we've been
Speaker 1: saying we should think about for quite some time, and
Speaker 1: here's what we concluded. And they had some suggestions, but
Speaker 1: nothing that was definitive. Right. It wasn't like this was
Speaker 1: going to be enacted into law. Yeah, it was more like,
Speaker 1: we really should have a committee that's thinking about this thing,
Speaker 1: that can create something that can be enacted into Right,
Speaker 1: here's here's a here are some basic ideas that we
Speaker 1: could head toward. But we're not suggesting this is the
Speaker 1: end goal. Rather, these are the sort of things that
Speaker 1: these dedicated committees should talk about. It was a meeting
Speaker 1: calling for more meetings, yeah, but they were also being
Speaker 1: more They're also calling for people who were experts not
Speaker 1: just in the technology, but also in social social law,
Speaker 1: things that would be important to make sure they could
Speaker 1: roll out also throughout the entire European Union and not
Speaker 1: They didn't want to see a future where various countries
Speaker 1: were taking their own approaches to this and creating an
Speaker 1: incompatible system within the European Union. So it was actually
Speaker 1: a very a very forward thinking proposal. There were some
Speaker 1: segments in it that did kind of lend themselves to
Speaker 1: at least some simple jokes about the idea of robots,
Speaker 1: like robots getting paid a salary, for example, But the
Speaker 1: whole purpose of that was not to pay a robot
Speaker 1: so that the robot is motivated to do a good job,
Speaker 1: but rather to have a fund so that if that
Speaker 1: robot ever were to do something that would cause harm
Speaker 1: or damage, then money from that fund could go towards
Speaker 1: compensating the injured party. That sort of idea, So it
Speaker 1: was really an interesting thing to look into. I really,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that episode. Both of those episodes yeah yeah, UM.
Speaker 1: A lot of my favorite ones over the years have
Speaker 1: have of course been the medical ones. That's kind of
Speaker 1: one of my beats, Like I'm I'm so excited whenever
Speaker 1: we get to talk about things like vaccines or pain,
Speaker 1: or blood or bacteria. Um. I was not in a
Speaker 1: few of these. I know that because I listened to
Speaker 1: so many in preparation for this episode. Uh so so
Speaker 1: so those those have been some of my favorites, and
Speaker 1: of course medical technology is advancing all the time. I
Speaker 1: honestly didn't check to see what exactly we said about
Speaker 1: things in all of those episodes. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, man, wasn't it great when we talked
Speaker 1: about the future of Blood. Wasn't it Blood was fun?
Speaker 1: I think I think Blood the Blood was the one
Speaker 1: that I think we released it with a technical error
Speaker 1: where my microphone was turned off and they were hearing
Speaker 1: me through y'all's microphones. We had to re release it.
Speaker 1: That sometimes happens. Yeah, sure, technical difficulties do in fact occur,
Speaker 1: although for for the for for very much the most part,
Speaker 1: Mr Noel Brown and Mr Dilan Fagan do excellent work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is waving at us right now. Another one, as
Speaker 1: I was scrolling through archive, was the one about US
Speaker 1: search results in swaying elections, because that was one that
Speaker 1: I I love it when I'm completely flabbergasted by things
Speaker 1: that I learned here around the house to works offices,
Speaker 1: and and that was one that I had no idea
Speaker 1: about and it was so surprising to me. And the
Speaker 1: concept is that we all rely on Google so so
Speaker 1: much and so trustfully that um that the first what
Speaker 1: is it for search results or I mean, depending on
Speaker 1: the size of your screen, I suppose that show up
Speaker 1: in your immediate field of vision are basically what what
Speaker 1: opinion you draw about something that you don't know about, right,
Speaker 1: you don't, You don't. Very few people go beyond even
Speaker 1: what is above the fold. If they do scroll down,
Speaker 1: they even fewer will go to page two for example
Speaker 1: of results, and and to go beyond that is essentially
Speaker 1: unheard of. So uh, if you are able to position
Speaker 1: your results so that they appear in those first couple
Speaker 1: of links, you are in really good position to have
Speaker 1: people check your stuff out. So if you have to
Speaker 1: believe it to to to believe that because it is
Speaker 1: that high in the Google search, also that of worthwhile
Speaker 1: news sources. Yeah, Google has built its reputation on having
Speaker 1: very reliable search results. So part of that then lens
Speaker 1: this idea that whatever links you see have inherent credibility
Speaker 1: to Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, and and this is a
Speaker 1: story that we've seen resurface as we lead up to
Speaker 1: the elections here in the United States. Uh, just a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, I saw a story where the
Speaker 1: same sort of idea was being brought up. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think one of our pitch meetings for How Stuff Works,
Speaker 1: someone brought it up on a Monday editorial brainstorming. And
Speaker 1: when I heard them, like, I'm pretty sure we covered
Speaker 1: that like a year ago. Yeah, yeah, so so I
Speaker 1: guess as the elections are coming up as of this recording,
Speaker 1: do do actual research, don't do Google researches. What dive
Speaker 1: into at this point is anybody still forming their opinions
Speaker 1: of the candidates though, well, the presidential candidates maybe not,
Speaker 1: but local local candidates. Yeah, good point. There are many
Speaker 1: local candidates to be to to take into consideration. I
Speaker 1: think I think a majority of Congress members are up
Speaker 1: for reelection here, so uh, I don't know. Maybe if
Speaker 1: y'all have some opinions about how things have been happening
Speaker 1: in this country, check that up. Rock the vote. Don't
Speaker 1: write my name in for anything. I don't need that
Speaker 1: level of response to everything. Luckily, not every state is
Speaker 1: allowed to do that, so I'm not going to become
Speaker 1: the governor of everywhere. That would be real awkward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't split my time like that. Other other favorite
Speaker 1: episodes are, of course the food episodes, and we've had
Speaker 1: some great episodes about food um uh. We had that
Speaker 1: really early couple of episodes about the future of protein
Speaker 1: um in which we mentioned that we mentioned that lab
Speaker 1: grown burger. This was and and at the time carried
Speaker 1: a thousand dollar price tech um, which we all agreed
Speaker 1: was a bit steep for a burger. Yeah, even even
Speaker 1: for one grown in a lab. I think that'd be
Speaker 1: a bit dear for me, as just just three years later,
Speaker 1: these things cost eleven dollars and thirty six cents to produce. Phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about Atlanta high end burger joint price ranges.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there are burgers sold in the building
Speaker 1: we're in right now that cost more than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true right downstairs. Yep. But so that was fascinating
Speaker 1: the borg chef y'all, uh, including our very like I
Speaker 1: think still our favorite moment and all a forward thinking
Speaker 1: when you guys looked up recipes, Um, you never did
Speaker 1: cook and we still can just not just not on
Speaker 1: this audio show. Snack stuff sometimes snack stuff two, Yes,
Speaker 1: that was it that on a cooking show. There was
Speaker 1: some like some like dumpling that just mustard green dumplings.
Speaker 1: Actually the filling for the dumplings was just pure olives.
Speaker 1: It's going to be the saltiest salties. Mustard greens were
Speaker 1: used to line the bamboo steamer. When you right, we
Speaker 1: talked about how often whatever the identified main ingredient was
Speaker 1: sometimes didn't appear in the dish or was listed as optional.
Speaker 1: Oh I love you, Chef Watson, You're you're, You're the
Speaker 1: very best chef ever um and uh and then oh
Speaker 1: it's speaking of Star Trek. Is I feel like we
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch over the past couple episodes here? Uh,
Speaker 1: Star Trek Economy from way back in December. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was usually economic topics aren't the thing that I'm psyched about.
Speaker 1: I think that was one of our most popular podcast
Speaker 1: episodes ever. It was fun to talk about, largely because
Speaker 1: first we got to address the fact that Star Trek
Speaker 1: has not been consistent with the way that it's treated
Speaker 1: its economy. Like essentially, in Star Trek it says money
Speaker 1: doesn't exist unless the plot requires it too. Um. But
Speaker 1: it was also just funny fun to talk about, Well,
Speaker 1: how would we would it be possible to get to
Speaker 1: a time when currency and wealth are no longer really
Speaker 1: a thing, or at least personal wealth isn't. Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: species wealth idea of having enough resources of energy and
Speaker 1: all the other needs to distribute to everybody so that
Speaker 1: there's no want or or wanting of things. Then um, maybe,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was a fun one to talk about, really,
Speaker 1: to to kind of wrap your head around what would
Speaker 1: it take for us to get to that point? Uh,
Speaker 1: And it's it's mostly boils down to lots and lots
Speaker 1: of energy and jumpsuits. Jumpsuits as well. Yes, and the
Speaker 1: Picard maneuver where you stand up and then you you know,
Speaker 1: or you sit down and then you tug your Also
Speaker 1: the Riker maneuver, which involves sitting in chairs by swinging
Speaker 1: your leg over the back of the chair and then
Speaker 1: sitting down and sometimes getting up the same way but
Speaker 1: in reverse. It's amazing how often he does that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's or or or rests the rests the foot on
Speaker 1: the top of a chair, like like not on the
Speaker 1: seat of a chair, like on the top of the
Speaker 1: back like I mean, I understand he's tall, right, Well
Speaker 1: he needs it's it's a it's a form of dominance.
Speaker 1: He's called number two and he has to constantly prove
Speaker 1: himself to everybody else because he's not number one. Ricker
Speaker 1: doesn't have to prove anything to you. He had to
Speaker 1: grow a beard. It was from season one to season two,
Speaker 1: and it proved to me that he could grow facial hair.
Speaker 1: He can very nice facial hair. Jonathan preferred him with
Speaker 1: the beard. Yeah. Also also one of the episodes that
Speaker 1: you that you were not here with us for Jonathan
Speaker 1: Bees Future of Bees. What was in my eyes? I'm
Speaker 1: forgetting Oh man, I wish I had looked this up.
Speaker 1: I think I think I have the notes open. Maybe
Speaker 1: I can go check it out. There. There was some
Speaker 1: kind of terrible wonderful word that we discovered. Uh, that
Speaker 1: we discovered a lot of maybe maybe it was just robobies.
Speaker 1: There were robbies. There was some kind of there was
Speaker 1: kind of be vitamin. There was a thing they fed bees. No,
Speaker 1: I mean some kind of like like be steroids to
Speaker 1: give them powers, give them. Missed out on that one. No,
Speaker 1: that was that was megabe Megabe. It was called megabee Megabee.
Speaker 1: What was megabee? Was that the stuff? Yeah? It was
Speaker 1: like a little like be like protein shaken kind of Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you feed, you feed bees to to help keep
Speaker 1: them through through the winter. Yeah. That and uh, I
Speaker 1: remember we did a commercial for it. Didn't me it
Speaker 1: was beef up your nice. Well, I'm sad I missed
Speaker 1: all the being activity. I'm sad that you missed it
Speaker 1: to um also, and this is a visual reference because
Speaker 1: I don't remember how how good the actual episode was,
Speaker 1: but we did. We did a spider episode, I think
Speaker 1: also were you okay okay, But Joe added this amazing
Speaker 1: photograph into into the notes and let me explain it
Speaker 1: to you, and then I'm going to show it to
Speaker 1: the guys for for visual reference. Um. It's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a kind of like a close up of the
Speaker 1: spider with like really pretty blue beady eyes and it's
Speaker 1: it's like little mandibles and and so it's it's it's
Speaker 1: very it's sort of like like fish islands, like when
Speaker 1: you have like a dog that's like right up in
Speaker 1: a camera and the and the caption plastered across it
Speaker 1: is Spiber, Spiper, Spiber and this is what it looks like. Dudes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm nearly. I didn't make it, uh,
Speaker 1: and and it just it brings me such joy occasionally
Speaker 1: I just think about it and a giggle. Rarely do
Speaker 1: we include images in our notes, but once in a
Speaker 1: while that does happen, and it's typically for our benefit
Speaker 1: and not for yours. But one thing we have done
Speaker 1: for your benefit is. While most of the episodes have
Speaker 1: at least some combination of the three of us in them,
Speaker 1: we've also had some other folks on our show as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we should give them all a shout out.
Speaker 1: We've appreciated all of our wonderful co hosts, or get
Speaker 1: our wonderful guests. Yes, yes, we we had Holly Fry
Speaker 1: come on and talk about the future of fashion. That
Speaker 1: one lovely time that Julie joined us for a couple
Speaker 1: episodes about weather control Julie Douglas. That is um, Raquel
Speaker 1: Willis talking about gender. Uh. Scott Benjamin and Benjamin Bolan
Speaker 1: talking about car computerization. I think it's just called Scott
Speaker 1: Benjamin Bolan Yes, um, Christian Sager talking about superheroes, also
Speaker 1: about ruins, the ruins of the future, Oh yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: yeah um. And also Robert Liam talking about monsters, the
Speaker 1: future of monsters, like what monsters will inhabit our future.
Speaker 1: So thanks to all of them for lending their talent
Speaker 1: and expertise and making our show better and giving us,
Speaker 1: giving us the opportunity to talk about subjects that aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily within our own wheelhouses. But we have so much
Speaker 1: knowledge available here at how Stuff works. It's actually pretty humbling.
Speaker 1: It's intimidating as heck. Yeah, that's absolutely a thing that
Speaker 1: Jonathan you have added to this show is ridiculously penny
Speaker 1: title honey, titles and references. So I decided to just
Speaker 1: get a collection of some of the best of the
Speaker 1: worst or worst of the best, or however you want
Speaker 1: to define it. And I haven't shared this with the
Speaker 1: with Joe and Lauren, although I'm sure you both were
Speaker 1: scrolling through the episodes and everything. Here's some of the
Speaker 1: titles that we have used in past episodes. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go through them. We're not going to talk about
Speaker 1: necessarily what the subjects were. But there was my so
Speaker 1: called life casting. It's for that MTV generation out there. Uh,
Speaker 1: no more waking up in a bathtub full of ice
Speaker 1: artificial organs. Yep ye, your brother, brother, Can you spare
Speaker 1: a zero one one zero zero one zero zero? Who
Speaker 1: wants to live forever? Shades of degray? Uh, it's coming
Speaker 1: right for us. That was another one. That was the
Speaker 1: autonomous car trolley problem episode. Oh not not about an asteroid?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you're right. That one was the asteroid one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then there's a four D printing is one d better?
Speaker 1: Uh do robots rite of electric sheep? Uh play that
Speaker 1: funky music Android send in the clones. That's the best
Speaker 1: Babies in Space Inconceivable, and that was about conception. And
Speaker 1: and then there was there was Babies in Space That's Heavy,
Speaker 1: which was about microgravity effects on babies. Uh Quick to
Speaker 1: the Zeppelin. I just think that's an awesome title. Also,
Speaker 1: Uh Pew pew laser. Uh. And then there's a That's
Speaker 1: so random parentheses number generator in parentheses. Uh. Then Finding
Speaker 1: Nemo that's in E E M O, which was about
Speaker 1: a nautical facility. There was where we're going we do
Speaker 1: need roads. Uh, computers know if you're sarcastic, Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: our cryonics cool and you have twenty seconds to comply. Uh.
Speaker 1: Those are Yeah, it's a RoboCop because we did one
Speaker 1: about robo security. And so that was the quote I
Speaker 1: used as or the reference I used as the title.
Speaker 1: And finally, let's let's kind of conclude this with a
Speaker 1: discussion about one of the most irritating things about this
Speaker 1: show that I introduced fairly early on, opening up episodes
Speaker 1: with song quotes. Why do you say irritating, because whenever
Speaker 1: I wasn't here. You had to do it, and based
Speaker 1: upon the entries you guys made, I'm guessing it wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily fun. We we enjoy it when you do it,
Speaker 1: do we always forget until we were literally right in
Speaker 1: the studio And that happened to me on a few
Speaker 1: occasions too, as will be apparent when I go through
Speaker 1: some of the stats. But first I want to say
Speaker 1: that we when we started the show, we didn't do
Speaker 1: that right. That wasn't something that I just did from
Speaker 1: the very beginning, although it didn't take too long into
Speaker 1: the existence of the show before I introduced it, but
Speaker 1: I was. I started by just introducing silly comments about
Speaker 1: the future in general, starting in the spring, and I
Speaker 1: would say things like this is an actual quote, welcome
Speaker 1: to forward Thinking, the show where we look at the
Speaker 1: future and say can we hear you? And well, that
Speaker 1: is kind of what we do, isn't it. Yeah. There
Speaker 1: was another one where it's like how are you doing?
Speaker 1: That was we look at the future and say, how
Speaker 1: are you doing? We're not like Ray Bradberry who want
Speaker 1: to prevent the future from happening. So, but the one
Speaker 1: I just referred to the camere year that one came
Speaker 1: from Hollywood Ruined Holograms that episode, but I hadn't started
Speaker 1: quoting songs yet. And when I did start quoting songs,
Speaker 1: I didn't go all in like another episode. I might
Speaker 1: just say something weird. I wouldn't necessarily quote a song
Speaker 1: or might quote a movie. It wasn't until later that
Speaker 1: I got into doing it frequently, but those early ones,
Speaker 1: like I was quoting some really uh wonderful pieces of
Speaker 1: music like Rebecca Black's Friday or they Carli ray Jefson's
Speaker 1: song called Me Maybe that was one, And I remember
Speaker 1: when I did that one, I started getting judged by
Speaker 1: you two. And that's I think what drove me into
Speaker 1: doing it more free quickly, because it was the trolling
Speaker 1: aspect in about half of the episodes early on. I'm
Speaker 1: like that sounds you're hearing is Lauren shaking her head
Speaker 1: and me but um uh. The from what I can tell,
Speaker 1: the first song lyric I ever referenced was put Me
Speaker 1: in a Wheelchair and Get Me to the Show, which
Speaker 1: is from the Ramones song I Want to Be Sedated.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of punk rock in general, the
Speaker 1: Ramons in particular, and other stuff like rockabilly, surf rock,
Speaker 1: and garage rock, so as well as glam and new wave.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of those songs have representation if you
Speaker 1: look at the full list. Um, that episode that I
Speaker 1: quoted that song in was Building with Bacteria, which published May.
Speaker 1: By the time we got two Shades of Degree, I
Speaker 1: was quoting songs pretty much with every episode. There were
Speaker 1: a couple of exceptions, but um, there was a time
Speaker 1: in the summer, late summer of that I kind of
Speaker 1: stopped and I was doing other stuff. But then I
Speaker 1: came back to songs, so I decided to do some
Speaker 1: something insane. Leaving up to this episode. I did not
Speaker 1: get a chance to listen to every single entry or
Speaker 1: intro rather, but I listened to two hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: seven of them home dang, So it's just a whole
Speaker 1: bunch o buddy, or your ears hurting. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you this. I could stand to go the rest of
Speaker 1: my life without hearing Ben Boland say welcome to forward Thinking,
Speaker 1: because I heard it. I heard it two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy seven times. Uh So, here here's some stats for
Speaker 1: you guys. First of all, we know which band I
Speaker 1: referenced the most frequently they might be giants. It's exactly right.
Speaker 1: So out of those two seventy seven song entries, which
Speaker 1: by the way, that that does not correspond to two
Speaker 1: d seventy seven episodes, there was one episode where I
Speaker 1: did three song quotes in a go, so that's a
Speaker 1: little different. Also, there's at least twenty year thirty that
Speaker 1: I didn't get to. But out of the two seven
Speaker 1: I listened to, I quoted that they might be giants
Speaker 1: song sixteen times, by far by by twice as much
Speaker 1: as the next leading artist. But I bet you won't
Speaker 1: guess who the second highest are are. The second most
Speaker 1: frequent artist would be Prince, not not really Prince. Actually
Speaker 1: a little bit further down the list, Prince had five total. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know I did Prince at least twice. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: did the same song twice, did couple Rain twice in
Speaker 1: a row. But uh, you know the Beatles, and we
Speaker 1: both did Fixing the Hole. We both quoted fixing the Hole, Joe, Um,
Speaker 1: you and I. So that was why. And I'll talk
Speaker 1: more about some of the songs that were listed more
Speaker 1: than once in just a second. Talking Heads and uh
Speaker 1: Weird Al Yankovic were next at seven songs each. This
Speaker 1: is not my surprised face. Yeah. Jonathan Colton followed up
Speaker 1: with six to be fair. Actually, I guess technically it's no,
Speaker 1: it's is six because I I quoted him in that
Speaker 1: last episode last week and I went ahead through that
Speaker 1: one in Prince would be five as well as Rocky
Speaker 1: Horror Picture Show songs were done five times, David Bowie
Speaker 1: five times, Huey Lewis and The News five times. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there's one artist that we did four times, and
Speaker 1: it was the same song every single time Game Sticks
Speaker 1: Mr Roboto. Um, So every time I did a Sticks
Speaker 1: song it ended up being Mr. Not necessarily the same line.
Speaker 1: Did you just forget that you've done it? Yeah? Because
Speaker 1: I didn't. Here's the thing, this show has been going
Speaker 1: on a while. The reason why I had to listen
Speaker 1: to these is because I didn't keep a sheet of
Speaker 1: what I had used. I didn't have a list, so
Speaker 1: I had to go back and make a list because
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have All I was doing was
Speaker 1: listening for a lyric that I Typically I wanted to
Speaker 1: try to find find something that was relevant to the topic,
Speaker 1: although that was not always the case. UM and and
Speaker 1: when we've been we've been doing this for three and
Speaker 1: a half years, about a hundred episodes a year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they add up pretty quickly. So here's a
Speaker 1: couple of other little stats, and then we'll conclude and
Speaker 1: say goodbye to everybody. About the songs. Uh, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to know what trend was the biggest in besides
Speaker 1: you know, the individual artists that were on the most musicals.
Speaker 1: I quoted more musicals than any other genre. So here
Speaker 1: are some of the musicals that you may have heard.
Speaker 1: Lyrics from Rocky Horror and its sequel, Shock Treatment, Fame,
Speaker 1: Tommy Mary Poppins, Lame Zaraba, West Side Story, Greece to
Speaker 1: Bye Bye Birdie, Oklahoma a chorus Line, Hair, Wizard of Oz, Cabaret,
Speaker 1: The Producers, Jungle Book, Sunday in the Park, next to Normal,
Speaker 1: and I did Annie last week. So lots of musicals. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then if you want to talk, we also reference some
Speaker 1: television show themes. Joe, on one of the episodes, you said, uh,
Speaker 1: the podcast that looks at the future and humes the
Speaker 1: theme to TV's Night Writer. So I was like that
Speaker 1: that was possibly my favorite because it was the laziest
Speaker 1: and most awesome. At the same time, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: That was definitely a day that we were like, screw
Speaker 1: this lyric we did. I referenced. I referenced the actual
Speaker 1: lyrics to the Star Trek theme twice, because there are
Speaker 1: lyrics to the Star Trek. How about the lyrics to
Speaker 1: yub Nub the Ewok celebration Z No. But we did
Speaker 1: reference Jedi Rocks okay, for the Lightsaber episode we talked
Speaker 1: about I did the the Alien language for the beginning
Speaker 1: of Jedi Rocks. Lauren, how did you let it happen
Speaker 1: that we never did an episode without Jonathan that did
Speaker 1: yub Nub. I can't. I'm very disappointed. It's not Cannon anymore. Anyway,
Speaker 1: It's not in the end of Return of the Jedi anymore.
Speaker 1: The yub Nub is forever. No one can take yub
Speaker 1: Nub away from us. Other TV show themes we mentioned
Speaker 1: our TV music that we mentioned. We mentioned ep up Or,
Speaker 1: which came from the Jetsons. The Spider Man theme song
Speaker 1: was referenced. The Mickey Mouse Club theme song was referenced.
Speaker 1: For songs that we use more than once, um Mr
Speaker 1: Roboto leads at four, but at three we have. I'm
Speaker 1: so ashamed of this one bad case of Loving You
Speaker 1: by Robert Palmer, and we did that three till I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Of my mom's favorite songs, I didn't. We did a
Speaker 1: lot of medical stuff, and there's only so many songs
Speaker 1: that have doctor in them that aren't about prescribing drugs
Speaker 1: for the wrong reason or or mistreating patients. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go that route. Um Weird Science
Speaker 1: also three times, Space Oddity three times, Um Marvin I
Speaker 1: Love You from Marvin the Paranoid Android three times. It
Speaker 1: is a sweet song Back in Time by Huey Lewis
Speaker 1: in the News three times, Purple Rain twice, Once in
Speaker 1: a Lifetime by Talking Heads was at least twice. Dr
Speaker 1: Worm was twice from They Might Be Giants uh, and
Speaker 1: a lot of other ones. I mean, we there were
Speaker 1: tons of songs from things like Monty Python, uh, Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 1: We did Come Fly with Me twice, but we also
Speaker 1: did Fly Me to the Moon, but that was only once,
Speaker 1: so Sinatra had some representation. So anyway, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: fun just to look over these, and again, there's at
Speaker 1: least twenty or thirty that I didn't get to now, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: do you think that these, uh, these talis of song
Speaker 1: lyrics provide some insights about what we've learned doing this show.
Speaker 1: I think mostly the insight is Jonathan is really good
Speaker 1: at searching for lyrics that contain very specific keywords, even
Speaker 1: if he isn't very familiar with the song. I appreciate
Speaker 1: your diligence on this front. I mean there are I
Speaker 1: mean the fact that they might be giants was he
Speaker 1: sixteen times tells you that I'm enormous they might be
Speaker 1: giants fan obviously, and also I used several of their
Speaker 1: songs more than once, like Nanobots, even some songs that
Speaker 1: aren't widely known outside of the dedicated fan base where
Speaker 1: they might be giants. Um. I think it also shows
Speaker 1: that I'm a kid of the eighties because there were
Speaker 1: an awful lot of songs that came from new wave bands,
Speaker 1: from Elton John Uh, from Pink Floyd, Um seventies and
Speaker 1: eighties songs. A lot of those and fewer like two
Speaker 1: of the songs that Joe picked actually the same song
Speaker 1: he picked twice, Toxic by Britney Spears, Um pick that
Speaker 1: two times? Yeah, I actually I color coded uh artists
Speaker 1: that other people picked, which included you know, the Beatles,
Speaker 1: Fixing the Whole, Prince's Purple Rain, Huey Lewis, and the News. Uh.
Speaker 1: Lauren quoted Hip to be Square in an episode I
Speaker 1: did not. I was very proud of you though. Um Joe.
Speaker 1: Twice you referenced Blondie also Fantastic Blondie. Yeah, Rapture and
Speaker 1: Heart of Glass you did both. Oh no, I did
Speaker 1: Heart of Glass. You did Rapture. Um because you did
Speaker 1: the man from Mars who was eating cars. Uh. Lauren.
Speaker 1: You referenced one of the greatest bands of all time,
Speaker 1: Aqua with Barbie Girl, and it wasn't for the Hello
Speaker 1: Barbie episode because I referenced in that one. Uh. Joe.
Speaker 1: You referenced Bobby pick It twice. Um. Yeah, because he's
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote Monster Mash. Uh. You referenced Tracy
Speaker 1: Chapman once. Joe, Um, Lauren, you referenced Jimi Aquai with
Speaker 1: Virtual Insanity for a VR episode. Joe, you reference Madonna
Speaker 1: for a material girl for a material science episode. I
Speaker 1: was so pleased. Lauren. You reference ce low Green with
Speaker 1: Forget You Uh once. Um. We had a couple of
Speaker 1: other things, like nursy rhymes things like or or baby
Speaker 1: songs like rockabye baby, stuff like that, which also on
Speaker 1: top of spaghetti Joe, you're a big fan of those.
Speaker 1: You reference free Falling by Tom Petty Joe. Uh. Steam
Speaker 1: powered giraffes honey Bee for the Bees episode, Lauren, Uh,
Speaker 1: I did not know that. I had never heard of
Speaker 1: steam powered giraffe, and now I know it's a thing.
Speaker 1: So those are just some of the insights. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then I did every pretty much everything else. So I think,
Speaker 1: I think what we've learned here is that, Uh, in
Speaker 1: this journey we have taken together, we all have something
Speaker 1: to be ashamed of. Yes, we all can carry that
Speaker 1: shame with us and now no longer share it with
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, at least not in this format.
Speaker 1: But we have really appreciated did you guys, you listeners
Speaker 1: out there, We get your your messages whenever we've had
Speaker 1: an issue with the episodes. The fact that people respond
Speaker 1: so quickly tells us that you care. So while it's
Speaker 1: frustrating to have problems, even on our side, like we
Speaker 1: don't like to see that either, but to see that
Speaker 1: it would be awful to have problems and no one
Speaker 1: say anything because that means no one's listening, right, But
Speaker 1: we have dedicated listeners who love the show, and so
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And of course there are tons
Speaker 1: of people who reach out and say wonderful positive things
Speaker 1: to us, and we appreciate you guys. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: are frequently really bad at answering those messages. Um and
Speaker 1: an apologies that you've never been shouting into avoid um
Speaker 1: or or saying lovely things and to avoid whichever right is. Um.
Speaker 1: But uh uh we we we tend to get really
Speaker 1: very quite busy with with other projects around the office here,
Speaker 1: and uh, many of those projects are going to be continuing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should talk about that. So Lauren, first let people
Speaker 1: know what other stuff you work on so that they
Speaker 1: can check that out. Uh now, my hull, what are
Speaker 1: my main projects? That's an interesting question that I haven't
Speaker 1: really thought about the answer to. Um. I'm doing a
Speaker 1: video series and also a podcast, a podcast podcast called
Speaker 1: How Stuff Works Now, which is virtually ungoogle able, but
Speaker 1: I have faith in y'all, um, and I do writing
Speaker 1: in performance for a bunch of other How Stuff Works
Speaker 1: video kind of stuff. So so, so watch the house
Speaker 1: touff works channel in general and and kind of beyond
Speaker 1: the lookout. Hopefully, hopefully, sometime relatively soon, I will have
Speaker 1: a new podcast to talk to you guys about. Oh
Speaker 1: and those live things, the Facebook live stuff. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: snack stuff and uh and et cetera. Um. Usually happens
Speaker 1: either Monday around three pm Eastern or Friday around three
Speaker 1: pm Eastern. Lauren, what is snack stuff? Is that like
Speaker 1: where you eat those cappuccino flavored potato chips. That is
Speaker 1: exactly what happened sometimes, but we haven't had one of
Speaker 1: the cappuccino flavored ones. Yeah. Mr Ben Bowling and I
Speaker 1: get together on Facebook Live for about forty minutes or so.
Speaker 1: I'll frequently Dylan subjects himself to whatever we have brought
Speaker 1: as well, and um we we yeah, so so yeah
Speaker 1: we we we bring weird snacks and we eat them
Speaker 1: and we talk a little bit a little bit about them. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's a lovely time. And we get to eat
Speaker 1: on camera, which is a dream of all of ours
Speaker 1: to just have all of those great mouth noises and
Speaker 1: weird expressions that you make when that's occurring broadcast live
Speaker 1: to the world. Joe, what about you, Well, I am
Speaker 1: also one of the hosts of the podcast stuff to
Speaker 1: Blow Your Mind, one of How Stuff Works as other
Speaker 1: podcast with our co workers Robert Lamb and Christian Saga.
Speaker 1: We cover primarily science, but also with a tinge of culture, history, monsters, weirdness,
Speaker 1: anything to make you squirm. And you can find us
Speaker 1: at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. I also
Speaker 1: write for How Stuff Works videos, So if you keep
Speaker 1: an eye out for House to Works, the House to
Speaker 1: Works video channel where Lauren will be doing things, I
Speaker 1: will be doing them there as well. Yeah, I co
Speaker 1: ho Well now I host a show called tech Stuff,
Speaker 1: occasionally co host because I grab people all the time
Speaker 1: to sit in and join and we talk about technology,
Speaker 1: how it works and how it works on us or
Speaker 1: with us uh, and those topics can be very technical
Speaker 1: or they can be really kind of more like on
Speaker 1: the philosophical side of things. It all depends upon the
Speaker 1: topic at the time. So you can check that episode,
Speaker 1: those episodes out, there's like eight hundred of them. So
Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to Tech Stuff, you've got some
Speaker 1: catching up to do. Big back catalog, including stuff that
Speaker 1: is incredibly out of date, so it's really entertaining. Um,
Speaker 1: you can also find me hosting other videos occasionally, including
Speaker 1: how Stuff Works Now videos. I also write for how
Speaker 1: Stuff Works Now, so check that out. And um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you never know what else will pop up on And
Speaker 1: as we said before, the Forward Thinking video series is
Speaker 1: going to continue. It's just the audio podcast that we're
Speaker 1: kind of uh pulling back from so that we can
Speaker 1: dedicate our time and work on other projects as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: And again it's not that we don't love you, it's
Speaker 1: that we have a limited amount of time and so
Speaker 1: much we want to do. Um. We have had a
Speaker 1: great time exploring these topics. I want to say, it's
Speaker 1: been a really excellent adventure to go on with y'all. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank thank both of you for Yeah, it's it's been
Speaker 1: a good time. You know. We really got to explore
Speaker 1: a lot of topics and and look into things that
Speaker 1: will great a lot more depth than we could with
Speaker 1: the video series. Obviously, with the video series, they're about
Speaker 1: three to four minutes long and we really want to
Speaker 1: hit like the the big bullet points. But in the podcast,
Speaker 1: we've been able to dive into some research and learn
Speaker 1: stuff that was fascinating, mind bending, sometimes it was infuriating.
Speaker 1: It all depended on the topic, and we're so glad
Speaker 1: you guys came along with us on that journey. And uh,
Speaker 1: I guess you can continue to follow us on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Facebook. I mean I imagine that both of those
Speaker 1: I'll still be maintaining moving forward. But if you have
Speaker 1: any suggestions for future audio podcasts, um okay, maybe be
Speaker 1: on the lookout for some videos instead. Yeah, quite possible.
Speaker 1: Because this is we were now coming to a conclusion.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know how to end this because every
Speaker 1: episode I say, we'll talk to you again really soon.
Speaker 1: But uh, I guess I guess that's that's not you
Speaker 1: know what, Go back and start at episode one and
Speaker 1: just work your way through, and if you do that,
Speaker 1: we will talk to you again really. See for more
Speaker 1: on this topic in the future of technology visits Forward
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