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Speaker 1: This the One Bills Live presented by call lighta Health

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Speaker 1: Welcome into a comfy, cozy Wednesday. Steve Tasker here with

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Speaker 1: you One Bill's Drive and you are listening to One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live. And our guest host today is Chris Trapasso,

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Speaker 1: Friend of the show. Chris, thanks for coming in. Good

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Speaker 1: to see you. You were in with us last week

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Speaker 1: for a day. Thanks for coming back in. Did you

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Speaker 1: have a good Memorial Day weekend?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really good. We were in the ad

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Speaker 2: Aroondic Mountains. My wife family's got a place up there,

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Speaker 2: so you know, got in the water a little bit

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Speaker 2: because it was nice. It was a seventy five all right.

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Speaker 1: Question is we always ask about the addoronis. Was it buggy?

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Speaker 2: Not as bad as usual, but the black flies are out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That weekend is usually black fly weekend. My daughter's got

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Speaker 2: a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit holiday, Yeah, black fly weekend.

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Speaker 2: But it was a good weekend at a barbecue. It's

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Speaker 2: good to be bad, Yeah, for sure. It's good to

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Speaker 2: be back. Like the Bills are going through their OTAs,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm participating in my own Ota year,

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Speaker 2: kind of popping in here and there. So it's definitely

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Speaker 2: good to be bad.

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Speaker 1: That's good to have you, and we we're here. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be here till three. We got Judy Batista coming

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Speaker 1: on in the two o'clock hour thing, and it'll be

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Speaker 1: nice to hear from her. We're gonna talk to her

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the owners meeting. She's down there.

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Speaker 1: She always covers that really well, it's good to touch

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Speaker 1: base with that. A lot of stuff going on. We

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Speaker 1: talked a little bit yesterday and we'll get into it

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Speaker 1: a little bit later about the off season and how

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Speaker 1: the union's gonna make this finger quotes proposal to the

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Speaker 1: league about changing it up, ye, starting the starting the

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Speaker 1: preseason and training camp earlier and giving a more free time,

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Speaker 1: hands off time between March and June.

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Speaker 2: Or whatever kind of eliminate O T eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, get rid of it, which I get it? Who knows?

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Speaker 1: Who cares? I mean, no, I mean it's still have

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Speaker 1: a tent pole event for the league every month of

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Speaker 1: the year. The super Bowl in February, March would be

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Speaker 1: what free agency, April the combine or April the draft, draft,

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Speaker 1: free agency. Somewhere in there. You got all these tent

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Speaker 1: pole events. Schedule release has become a tent pole event.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is that to me is.

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Speaker 1: So maybe they could still do that, but nevertheless, still

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Speaker 1: tinkerings going on. I read an article today about that.

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Speaker 1: It came out a little bit ago about the new

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Speaker 1: kickoff rule. It's going to be very different, and they're

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Speaker 1: anticipating the starting positions for these first drives to be

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Speaker 1: widely varying, which is kind of fun. Everybody thinks they're

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Speaker 1: going to have these kickoff return guys are going to

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Speaker 1: be gold, right. What kind of athletes they're going to

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Speaker 1: put in front of the kickoff for turners, what kind

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Speaker 1: of athletes are going to chase these kicks, What it's

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Speaker 1: going to look like at the end. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of uncertainties. And there's always this thing too about some

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Speaker 1: coach somewhere and Dan Campbell, the head coach of Detroit,

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Speaker 1: said this, Hey, we want to come up with something innovative,

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Speaker 1: something nobody's ready for. Nobody thought about when we want

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Speaker 1: to be those guys. So you're gonna get some teams

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Speaker 1: that are gonna be like throwing it throwbacks and laterals and.

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Speaker 2: Which we haven't seen in a long time.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen any of that stuff for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And I think I applaud the league for keeping it in,

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Speaker 1: not just because I'm an old time gunner or anything

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Speaker 1: like that, but because there is something about that that

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Speaker 1: play that is part of the American way. Right, let's

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Speaker 1: kick things off right, use it in every industry, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested. And I think it's a good point

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Speaker 2: there that we will probably see a varying degree of

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Speaker 2: just how good team special teams are because number one,

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Speaker 2: all these guys on special teams they've never done this

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Speaker 2: before unless they were in the XFL. So I think

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Speaker 2: some teams will be really good at blocking it, other

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Speaker 2: teams won't. There will be innovations, like you're mentioning, And

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Speaker 2: it's cool to me that when I first got into

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Speaker 2: this field ten to fifteen years ago, you would always

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Speaker 2: look at, you know, starting field position, and look at which, hey, look,

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Speaker 2: this team's offense is actually boosted because they have an

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Speaker 2: all Pro returner. The last five to seven years, you

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Speaker 2: don't even look at that anymore. It's every every drive

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Speaker 2: starting on the twenty five yard line that will be

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Speaker 2: drastically different. And teams can get a huge advantage or

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Speaker 2: a disadvantage if they're not good at the kickoff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at the combine. I wasn't aware of this, but

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Speaker 1: sixty Special teams coaches got together at the combine, sixty guys,

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Speaker 1: that where they used this play that's been circulated around.

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Speaker 1: They you know, these Special teams coordinators have watched every

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Speaker 1: single they've been scheming, every single rep they have seen.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see there's that's going on. Plus

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Speaker 1: this offseason stuff. The eighteen game schedule, and we talked

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Speaker 1: a little bit more, but the eighteen game schedule. You

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Speaker 1: know that if the league wants to do something as

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Speaker 1: as big as this, that's big eighteen games, the Union

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Speaker 1: is saying, okay.

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Speaker 2: If yeah, there's got to be concessions, right.

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Speaker 1: The Union will say, okay, we want this offseason change

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Speaker 1: that we're proposing. And and I've told you this, I've

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Speaker 1: been thinking about it for a long time. We want

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Speaker 1: the rosters expanded.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be.

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Speaker 1: We want the rosters expanded. If the Union really threw

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Speaker 1: a hissy over this eighteen game schedule, if I was

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Speaker 1: the NFL, I'd say Okay, okay, okay, okay, hold on,

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Speaker 1: give us the eighteen game schedule. But you players, since

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Speaker 1: it's been okay for seventeen games, you players have to

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Speaker 1: you can only play in seventeen. Wow, everybody on your

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Speaker 1: roster is going to have to take a seat for

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Speaker 1: at least a game that for an even if it's

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Speaker 1: for a twisted a perfect say, we'll give you guys

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Speaker 1: a game up, we'll give you the expanded roster. We'll

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Speaker 1: have some you know, but your depth is going to

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Speaker 1: be tested because you're not going to You're gonna be

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Speaker 1: allowed to play for seventeen eighteen games, only seventeen. So

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Speaker 1: that that, I think would be a great concession. I

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Speaker 1: think it's just a matter of time. I think if

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Speaker 1: all for it.

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Speaker 2: And I think to your point which you made last week,

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Speaker 2: the bigger roster size is more game day actives. He

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be the forty six like it is,

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Speaker 2: you know, fifty three. Then there's we're all waiting out

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Speaker 2: there in the lot tailgateing to see who the inactives are.

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Speaker 2: Make that a bigger list. If you're going to have

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Speaker 2: that extra game You just went to seventeen games a

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Speaker 2: few years ago. Now you're going to eighteen potentially as

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Speaker 2: early as maybe next year or twenty.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. But they've got all the data

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Speaker 1: about going from sixteen to seventeen games regular season and

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Speaker 1: adding a playoff team. They've got all the data about

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Speaker 1: injuries and all of that too. They'll know the numbers.

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Speaker 1: They'll know the numbers of whether it was more dangerous

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Speaker 1: or whether or whether it was just an aggregate. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just that much more injuries because it's sure one

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Speaker 2: And when you're saying they, I think the players Union

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Speaker 2: has that same data as well, so they can say, look,

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Speaker 2: here's the difference in the percentage of injuries. How many

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Speaker 2: guys are getting injured just the pure volume. So hey,

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Speaker 2: instead of it being a fifty three uh man roster,

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Speaker 2: how about fifty seven or fifty eight or sixty.

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Speaker 1: Because there's fifty five on game day the roster of

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Speaker 1: sixty or fifty three on game day like like they

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Speaker 1: are now get the full roster on game day and

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Speaker 1: then have have seven guys up to sixty who are inactive.

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Speaker 1: There you go, and that would be you know, just

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Speaker 1: under you know, just under well a little more than

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Speaker 1: ten percent of your roster is sitting. Yeah, right, so

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, fifty three and you got seven guys.

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Speaker 2: What's that pretty close?

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Speaker 1: All right? Yeah, whatever, it's some some percentage, some percentage

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Speaker 1: your roster is going to be an active every week.

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Speaker 1: Then of course a practice squad and all that will

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Speaker 1: think it's an easy fix. It's an easy progression. And

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Speaker 1: I think this is the thing too. If you get

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Speaker 1: these rosters expanded in the problem with expanding rosters is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got more bodies, but do.

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Speaker 2: You have the players that are good enough?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the bottom of your roster is gonna

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Speaker 1: be the bottom of your roster, and is the talent

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Speaker 1: and the quality of play gonna be watered down substantially

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Speaker 1: enough for Joe Blow to notice that. If you've got

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Speaker 1: to be a scientist to notice the difference, nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's if it's a minuscule difference in the

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Speaker 1: level of play. The only way you can see it

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a problem.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point, and to me, I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot more logistically involved with this, but it's been

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Speaker 2: my biggest reason why I haven't been much of an

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Speaker 2: advocate or thinking that the UFL, XFL, any of those

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Speaker 2: the course of three, five, ten years. Was not because

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Speaker 2: And certainly there are guys that go that rise at

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Speaker 2: the top, but the bottom of those rosters, it's like

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Speaker 2: you're just not watching quality football. And America is used

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Speaker 2: to seeing guys like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes out there.

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Speaker 1: It's different. And I have nothing against those leagues. I

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Speaker 1: think it's awesome. These guys are making living. They're good

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Speaker 1: for them. But I'm telling you what, when you watch

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Speaker 1: those games, it's it's a snooze face.

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Speaker 2: It's like a different sport is fest.

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Speaker 1: It's not fast, it's not exciting. You don't see any

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Speaker 1: you don't see superlatives in that game, it does look

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Speaker 1: like it lacks a big edge in some way, and

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Speaker 1: it's hard to even quantify what you're looking at. They're

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Speaker 1: running plays, they're doing stuff, but you just never you

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Speaker 1: just never see anybody.

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Speaker 2: Do anything ridiculous stand out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is just a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: and I and I love those guys, and I I

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Speaker 1: wish the best for all of them, but as a

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Speaker 1: as a whole, it doesn't catch your attention, and like

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Speaker 1: the NFL does. And maybe it's because I'm used to it,

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, I watch enough of it. Whatever the

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Speaker 1: reason is, that's the way grips you when you turn

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But I think to that point the component

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Speaker 2: here if they do go to an eighteen game schedule,

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Speaker 2: which it seems pretty likely, and again we'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Judy Batista about this at too. If they do increase

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Speaker 2: brace ourselves for guys that normally would either be on

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing too, Now, all this stuff if you're

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Speaker 2: I think training camp will be longer too, that's part

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, it'll be a longer ramp up period also

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Speaker 2: Were crazy to it was nuts. It's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Steve, I heard the click. You got me. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's going to come from coaches, the head coaches in particular,

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Speaker 5: that I can't see them ever going for this because

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Speaker 5: I can't see them sitting down their number one quarterback,

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Speaker 5: especially when when it comes down to the year, so

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Speaker 5: many teams are in playoff fights. One game separates teams

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Speaker 5: either getting in or what place you're in it in

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Speaker 5: the rankings of playoff teams and all that, whether you're

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Speaker 5: home and away. I just can't see him doing it.

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Speaker 5: And especially since they can't find enough quality starting quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: for thirty two teams, how are they gonna find quality backup.

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Speaker 5: Some of the names we heard playing over the last

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Speaker 5: several years when starters have gone out. I mean, these

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Speaker 5: are guys we've never even heard of before. And now

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Speaker 5: you're talking about trotting out a guy like that, possibly

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Speaker 5: on a regular basis throughout the league, for one game.

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Speaker 5: I just can't see the coaches going for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this, you're right, Mark, They wouldn't

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Speaker 1: like and thanks for making Thanks for the call. You're right.

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Speaker 1: And you know when you start talking about, yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna sit down here, you're gonna sit down your uh,

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Speaker 1: your star quarterback for a game, people will pitch a fit. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there is some there are some problems with it. But

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, if they can make money off it,

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Speaker 1: the owner, the owners will tell the head coaches shut

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Speaker 1: up and sit down. Yes, we're gonna We're gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna make the best of it. The problem will

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Speaker 1: be this, It won't be with sitting down your star

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Speaker 1: quarterback so much because everybody will know it. Everybody's got

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Speaker 1: to do it, so somebody's gonna do it. It opens

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Speaker 1: up a ton of storylines which people will find interesting,

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Speaker 1: which is part of what sells the NFL as well.

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Speaker 1: One of the storylines that will get a lot of

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Speaker 1: attention is when Josh Allen is playing the Kansas City

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Speaker 1: Chiefs on Monday night and they sit him down on

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Speaker 1: that game. I'm exaggerated, they ain't gonna do that, but

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If you're gonna sit down

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Speaker 1: your starting quarterback and you do it on a primetime game,

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Speaker 1: a Thursday night game, a Monday night game because he

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Speaker 1: tweaked his ankle, or because it's a short week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: broadcast partners won't like it. They won't like it. But

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna have these guys sit down, now, you

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Speaker 1: can always say, hey, they'll make an exception for the

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback or whatever. Whatever. We'll see. But that's what

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Speaker 1: you're looking at. Everybody on the raw. All you know,

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Speaker 1: seven guys a week or whatever it's gonna be on

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Speaker 1: a roster, are gonna sit down for a week to

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Speaker 1: give them some rest. Yeah, the coaches may not like it,

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Speaker 1: but no, they can. They can say whatever they want.

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Speaker 1: But if if the league wants to do it, the

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Speaker 1: coaches don't have leverage. They don't have any leverage. They

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Speaker 1: work for the guys who are making the decision. So

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Speaker 1: they'll put up they'll put up a good front and

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Speaker 1: they'll do what they're told to do. The only people

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Speaker 1: have leverage in this or the owners and the players union.

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Speaker 1: And if the players union says, yeah, that sounds good

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Speaker 1: and for the safety of our players, they're gonna they're

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Speaker 1: only gonna play sixteen games out of the eighteen, and

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Speaker 1: you can sit them. They get to sit down whenever,

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Speaker 1: whenever they need to or whenever they're required to. That's it.

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Speaker 1: The league in the union will decide. Coaches can whine

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Speaker 1: and squawk all they want, they have no leverage in

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Speaker 1: the conversation.

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Speaker 2: No, that's a good point. Two things here. I don't

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Speaker 2: think your idea is silly. And it would be easy

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Speaker 2: for them to just say, well, every player has to

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Speaker 2: sit one or two games besides the quarterback, Like that

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Speaker 2: would be an easy kind of exception to make in that.

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Speaker 2: And secondly, I think it would be more of just

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Speaker 2: a counter from the league to the players union. If

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Speaker 2: like you're mentioning Steve that the players Union says, hey,

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Speaker 2: that's way too many games. Our players are put through

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Speaker 2: enough physically throughout a season, even at sixteen and now

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Speaker 2: seventeen games and then eighteen is way too much. They

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Speaker 2: would be more of just a counter say, Okay, if

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Speaker 2: you don't want to play eighteen games, then they can

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Speaker 2: only play sixteen. And I think at that point the

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Speaker 2: NFL Players Union would say, all right, well.

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Speaker 1: They do it, and they would have to add players

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Speaker 1: to the roster because I don't know if the mathematics

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Speaker 1: would work. Over sixteen games, you're gonna have so many

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Speaker 1: guys sitting.

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Speaker 2: It would be the way more players you would need

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Speaker 2: on the roster, right, need some more bodies. And I

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Speaker 2: think that second bye week will be huge that if

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Speaker 2: this was eighteen games only one bye week, I think

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Speaker 2: the players Union would have a huge grape with it.

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Speaker 2: But it kind of feels like and it would help

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Speaker 2: align the schedule to get to that President's Day weekend

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Speaker 2: for the super Bowl, so most of America has off

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Speaker 2: that next day after the Super Bowl. Sunday will come

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Speaker 2: with that second bye week. That's when the players Union

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Speaker 2: will will most likely rubber stamp it and say, okay.

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Speaker 1: All right, lot's going on. Christrapasso, Steve Tasker. Here, One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Drive. We're talking to you about in your mind,

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Speaker 1: which Bills players underappreciated, deserves more attention, or this eighteen

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Speaker 1: game schedule, new offseason, what your thoughts are about the

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Speaker 1: league evolving to that point. We're gonna take a break

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Speaker 1: and come back Judy Batista at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more. This is One Bill's One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live, brought to you by Kalida Health. You listen

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Speaker 1: to Buffalo Bills Radio walking back to One Bill's Lives.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker and Chris Trapasso. We've been talking about last

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Speaker 1: week when you were on. We were talking about wide

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Speaker 1: receivers and all these guys that came from other teams

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Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bills, and because they're playing in this

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Speaker 1: offense with Josh, they kind of exploded and had their

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Speaker 1: best year as a pro. The first year out of

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Speaker 1: the out of the rapper here in Buffalo. So you

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Speaker 1: went back and you looked at the running back position

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Speaker 1: and running backs who had gotten to their third year

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Speaker 1: with a team. And there's some interesting stuff here, because

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Speaker 1: you know, we do talk a lot about that kind

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Speaker 1: of golden third year where players kind of spread their

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Speaker 1: wings and they kind of become the pro that they

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Speaker 1: were destined to be running back. There's some conflicting information

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Speaker 1: about those guys because there's so much that goes into

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Speaker 1: that position. Sometimes it's hard to get a consensus about

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Speaker 1: whatever is different offensive line, type of offense, type of

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Speaker 1: square they are, usage, all of that stuff, number of touches,

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Speaker 1: number of receptions, all of that stuff. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: kind of discerned the same sort of generalized information that

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Speaker 1: we got from the wide receiver spot. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And I felt that James Cook has the

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Speaker 2: breakout year two. He has eighty nine carries as a rookie,

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Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty seven in his second year, sixth

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Speaker 2: in yards from scrimmage last year in Buffalo. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to look at historically and just look at recent history,

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Speaker 2: so we're not looking back into the seventies or eighties

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Speaker 2: for running backs who had fewer than two hundred carries

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Speaker 2: as rookie, so they weren't the bellcow and James Cook

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Speaker 2: was not the bellcow back in his first sure that

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Speaker 2: was still Devin Singletary. Then went over two hundred carries

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Speaker 2: in year two and had a what I considered a

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Speaker 2: breakout season, whether it was over a thousand yards like

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Speaker 2: James Cook had or just had a really high yards

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Speaker 2: per carry average. What did those running backs do in

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Speaker 2: year three? So we can kind of have some framework

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Speaker 2: for what James Cook is likely to do in year three?

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Speaker 2: We have a graphic ready to go for that. The

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Speaker 2: running backs that I looked at. If you're not watching

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Speaker 2: and you're only listening, Joe Mixon fits that category. Under

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Speaker 2: two hundred carries as a rookie, then over two hundred

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Speaker 2: carries in year two breaking out. What did he do

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Speaker 2: in year three? Chris Carson, Christian McCaffrey is also part

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Speaker 2: of this group. James Connor, Ramandre Stevenson, Philip Lindsay, Melvin Gordon,

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Speaker 2: Devonte Freeman, and former Bill last year Latavious Murray. So

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Speaker 2: what's interesting from this list, there's nine players that kind

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Speaker 2: of fit those very meticulous criteria that I mapped out

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Speaker 2: four of the nine in their third years had a

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Speaker 2: career high in rushing yards Joe Mixon, Chris Carson, Melvin Gordon,

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Speaker 2: and DeVonta Freeman. And Christian McCaffrey's thirteen hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: seven yards in his third year would have been his

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Speaker 2: career high, but he just set that new career high

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Speaker 2: last season with the forty nine ers, So there was

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Speaker 2: a long stretch where that was.

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Speaker 1: That was his high with the Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was his high in care line all the

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Speaker 2: way up until last year. So about half of them,

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Speaker 2: like you mentioned that, they really get to year three,

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Speaker 2: they spread their wings. This is the year for them.

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Speaker 2: But if you look all the way at the far right,

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Speaker 2: their change in yards per carry. Eight of the nine

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Speaker 2: saw a decrease in year See.

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Speaker 1: Is this yards per carry after their.

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Speaker 2: Second after their second year, So second year is the breakout,

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Speaker 2: just like James Cook had and then what happened in

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Speaker 2: the year three?

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The only one that saw a considerable jump was Devonte

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Speaker 2: Freeman went up point eight yards per carry in his

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Speaker 2: third season with the Falcons. Had over one thousand yards

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Speaker 2: as a rookie or in year two and then over

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Speaker 2: one thousand yards in year three. If you look at

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Speaker 2: the average of all of this group, two hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighteen carries nine hundred and twenty three yards four point

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Speaker 2: twenty four yards per carry, and a decrease from year

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Speaker 2: two in yards per carry of point two four yards.

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Speaker 2: So James Cook was what four point seven yards per

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Speaker 2: carry last season. Maybe as he sees more usage. It's

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Speaker 2: always harder to maintain that efficiency as you get more carries.

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Speaker 2: That's really true of any efficiency stat Maybe he's right

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Speaker 2: around the four point four four point five yards per carry,

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Speaker 2: but don't be surprised if he ultimately sets a career

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Speaker 2: high in rushing yards. Maybe it's twelve hundred, maybe it's

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Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen hundred yards, like we saw from Joe Mixon,

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Speaker 2: Chris Carson, Melvin Gordon, and Devonte Freeman. So that should

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Speaker 2: give you just an idea of to where we should

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Speaker 2: set the expectations for James Cook. We know his receiving

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Speaker 2: ability is also part of it. We know Ty Johnson,

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Speaker 2: they draft Ray Davis. It's going to be a three

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Speaker 2: headed attack, spearheaded by James Cook. So maybe not quite

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Speaker 2: as efficient, but it's not as though year three you

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Speaker 2: see a precipitous drop off, it's usually where these players

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Speaker 2: can still produce.

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Speaker 1: At a highlight, right, this would be he'd still be

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Speaker 1: over one thousand yards. He'd still have like four and

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Speaker 1: a half yards per carry on the season. He averaged

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Speaker 1: four point seven last year. So if he gets four

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Speaker 1: and a half, that's still that's still really good, still good,

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Speaker 1: even if he drops off. And also, you know, he

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Speaker 1: only had two rushing touchdowns because you know, the Bill's

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Speaker 1: red zone offense is a throwing offense, not a running

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Speaker 1: doss sense, and Josh is a little bit of that.

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Speaker 1: Plus Josh runs a ton of touchdowns in from outside

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Speaker 1: the red zone.

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Speaker 6: Two.

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Speaker 1: So and Cook, you know, famously had those drop touchdown

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Speaker 1: passes one, you know, and it was a Philly and

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Speaker 1: there's there was like three of them, I think on

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Speaker 1: the season. Even he was like, you know, he's got

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Speaker 1: to catch him. So I and and we said this too,

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Speaker 1: coming in and we right at the top of this segment,

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Speaker 1: this is a position that is really dependent on what

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Speaker 1: goes on around them. James Cook will have a very

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Speaker 1: different year this year for the Buffalo Bill's offense than

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Speaker 1: he would have if he was in the Chiefs offense,

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Speaker 1: or the Cincinnati offense he was another good offense, you

649
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Speaker 1: know whatever, or the Jets offense he would have. He's

650
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Speaker 1: gonna have a very different year in Buffalo than he

651
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Speaker 1: would have in those other places, just because of that's

652
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Speaker 1: kind of the nature of the position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of those projections did not factor in

654
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Speaker 2: anything about receiving. We know James Cook had forty four

655
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: catches for four hundred and forty five yards, four receiving touchdowns,

656
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: more receiving touchdowns than rushing touchdowns last year. And when

657
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: the Bills drafted him in twenty twenty two, you could

658
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: watch him on film and Georgia. They mentioned that his

659
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: receiving ability, and yes, he would like to eliminate those drops,

660
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Speaker 2: but he also made some big plays like the touchdown

661
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: against the Cowboys in the rain on like a corner

662
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: out that receivers are normally running. Even if James Cook

663
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: does see that little bit of an efficiency regression, but

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Speaker 2: has two hundred and eighteen carries for nine hundred yards

665
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: and has like fifty catches for six hundred yards, that's

666
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: a highly successful season, like you're mentioning in this pass

667
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: first Josh Allen offense, So even again, if we see

668
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Speaker 2: some of the efficiency dip, it doesn't mean that suddenly

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Speaker 2: James Cook is a disappointment. But we are kind of

670
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Speaker 2: going into this season thinking that the ground game, because

671
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: of the offensive line was Cyrus Torrens, Spencer Brown, Dion Dawkins,

672
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Speaker 2: Connor McGovern, some new pieces up front, and just their

673
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: faith in James Cook, They're probably going to be more

674
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Speaker 2: of a I don't want to say run heavy offense,

675
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Speaker 2: but maybe place more of an emphasis on the ground

676
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Speaker 2: game and the utilization of all three of their running

677
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Speaker 2: backs in a variety of ways. We've heard that all

678
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Speaker 2: from Joe Brady all offseason that they want to come

679
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: out of the huddle and have defenses have no clue.

680
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Speaker 2: Where's James Cook going to line up, Where's Ray Davis

681
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: going to be, Where's dalon Kin Kid going to be?

682
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: Is Khalil Shaker going to be outside? Is Curtis Camuel

683
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Speaker 2: going to be in the slot. They're going to utilize

684
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Speaker 2: the backs, I think a little bit more than they

685
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Speaker 2: have even last year with James Cook's breakout twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Three, and a lot of this also depends on who's

687
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Speaker 1: rotating in there with him, because you know, you know

688
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: Ray Davis, Ty Johnson. Ty Johnson really came down the

689
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Speaker 1: stretch last year and added some stuff.

690
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Speaker 2: He was such a good he was really player for

691
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Speaker 2: what the.

692
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Bills asked him to do. Also, you know, Frank gorg

693
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: Junior is on the roster, so we'll see who that's

694
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: gonna be. Reggie Gilliam as a fullback. The other the

695
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: finger quotes the others behind James Cook say a lot

696
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Speaker 1: about what it's gonna look like and about what opportunities

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Speaker 1: Cook is going to get. If there is nobody behind

698
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Speaker 1: him who's as good a receiver, that means he can,

699
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Speaker 1: they're gonna rely on him more and more in that area.

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Speaker 1: If Gore can come out or you know, Ray Davis,

701
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Speaker 1: Ty Johnson, if any of these guys can run routes

702
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Speaker 1: and catch the ball they're gonna get. They're gonna get

703
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: some opportunities to do that because they do it well

704
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: and and it makes the Bills more unpredictable. But if

705
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Speaker 1: you know, if James Cook's still the guy at that,

706
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the lead dog and he's gonna get

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Speaker 1: for reps for sure.

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Speaker 2: To your point, uh, and and they hit they didn't

709
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: touch on it a lot after drafting Ray Davis, and

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Speaker 2: I mean Brandon Bean, you know all of the scotting department,

711
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: in the analytics department. But Ray Davis is last two

712
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: seasons in the SEC sixty two catches almost six hundred

713
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: yards or almost five hundred yards and ten receiving touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: So I think similarly to twenty twenty two when they

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Speaker 2: drafted James Cook and we all could kind of see

716
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Speaker 2: that he wasn't a finished product as a runner. He

717
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: wasn't quite as dynamic as his brother Dalvin Cook. But

718
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: the multifaceted ability to catch the ball and to run

719
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: routes out of the slot. Ray Davis gives you a

720
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: little bit of that as well. He had seven receiving

721
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Speaker 2: touchdowns last season at Kentucky, led all running backs in

722
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Speaker 2: this draft class in terms of just receiving touchdowns. So

723
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Speaker 2: for as much as I think James Cook is the

724
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Speaker 2: most talented player on the roster at the running back

725
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: spot and can do the most as a receiver, it's

726
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: not as though Ty Johnson or Ray Davis can't catch

727
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Speaker 2: the ball out of the back. I do think they

728
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: kind of pose that type of threat, which again adds

729
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: to the ability of the offense.

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Speaker 1: And it does make it makes sense as well that

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Speaker 1: the you know, Brandon Bean, he dispatches the scouting staff

732
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Speaker 1: and says, listen, if we're gonna talk about running backs on.

733
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Speaker 2: He's got to be able to catch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want guys who can't catch, don't, don't

735
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: and that kind of that's not just the Bills, that's everybody.

736
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Speaker 1: But the better they are at at the you know,

737
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: the more just desirable they are. And that's that's what

738
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Speaker 1: makes an NFL offense click. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just have this image of throughout the season, and

740
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how many plays big Joe Brady's playbook is,

741
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: but just where the Bills can run specific plays and say,

742
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: all right, first quarter, here's our alignment. This play worked.

743
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Speaker 2: It was a ten yard completion to Khalil Shakir from

744
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: the slot. He ran seven more yards. It was a

745
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: seventeen yard gain that later in the game, Joe Brady

746
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Speaker 2: can utilize the exact same play and say, actually, we're

747
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: gonna put Ray Davis in the slot, We're gonna put

748
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Speaker 2: Shakir on the perimeter. We're gonna have James Cook run

749
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: a wheel route out of the backfield. Dalon Kin Kaid's

750
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: just completely change what they're doing personnel wise, but run

751
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: the same play to then just naturally give this offense

752
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: mismatches where the linebacker that has to flex out and

753
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: cover Khalil Shakir in the first quarter can't get used

754
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: to his subtleties, his athleticism, his size, what he does

755
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: after the catch. Suddenly it's a running back or suddenly

756
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: it's Dalton Kincaid. I really think that's what the Bills

757
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: are after in terms of what they want to do

758
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: schematically and with the personnel groupings in this offense.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker and Chris Trpasso here with you until three o'clock.

760
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: You can give us a call. We've asked you the

761
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: question about which Bills player do you feel is underappreciated

762
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: or and deserves more attention. You can calls give us

763
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: your opinion on that. We also had a long conversation

764
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Speaker 1: in the first segment of the show about this eighteen

765
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: game schedule that's coming out. We got a couple of

766
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Speaker 1: calls on that, and a couple of calls I couldn't

767
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: get to now they've hung up, So we kind of

768
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: went on a ramble, and we also wanted to get

769
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Speaker 1: back to and we're talking about this running back position,

770
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: this roster of the Bills. While it has been turned

771
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: over in some areas wide receiver, defensive line, and the secondary.

772
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Speaker 1: I've been impressed with their ability to fortify it with

773
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: guys who have some capabilities. And I know this keyon

774
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Coleman is a little bit of an unknown quality at

775
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: the NFL level. Athletically, He's off the charts down inside.

776
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Speaker 1: The guys they brought in are for the most part,

777
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: NFL free agent veterans, guys who have been down there

778
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: and done in the safeties, a high draft pick, and

779
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: a guy who is very well regarded. Cole Bishop coming

780
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: into the fold from Utah goes with Mike Edwards, who

781
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: listened just enough for nothing. He won a Super Bowl

782
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: last year with the Chiefs and the year before. They've

783
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: got some guys over there, and I am really encouraged

784
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: by what I've seen from Kyrie Elam, not only in

785
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: the last two or three years in the way he's persevered,

786
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: but the opportunity he may get now. Christian Benford, of course,

787
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: is a steady, straightforward corner. Taron Johnson is one of

788
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Speaker 1: the guys that may be a candidate for our question,

789
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: which in which players underappreciated more hard to imagine somebody

790
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: less appreciated than Taron Johnson playing the slot corner, playing linebackers,

791
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: one of the few guys, one of the few slot

792
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: corns in the NFL who doesn't come off the field

793
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: in whatever position he is in, whatever personnel are in.

794
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: And this is the good question today because I think

795
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years the Bills had had

796
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: so much retention where you could pick from the Matt

797
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: Mulanos and the Taron Johnson's, Trey White. You could even

798
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: say in the past, Jordan Poyer, Mitch Morse. It's a

799
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: little bit of a tougher question for fans today because

800
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: there's so many new faces. So don't be afraid if

801
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: you think it's Chase Claypool or mvs or Mike Edwards.

802
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: There are certainly Bills now we haven't seen them play

803
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: in Bill's uniforms, but you've seen them in the NFL.

804
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: It's a more of a difficult question, or more of

805
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: a challenge. So we're really interested to hear the variety

806
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: of responses that we have to that cool question.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a break, We'll take a break here and

808
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Speaker 1: when we come back, I'll tell you who I think

809
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Speaker 1: is most underappreciated. Guy, Chris will tell you who he

810
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Speaker 1: thinks the most underappreciated. You can call us and tell

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Speaker 1: who tell us who you think is the most underappreciated

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Speaker 1: before we get to Judy Patista. At the top of

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Speaker 1: the hour, Steve Tasterer, Christoph Rosso one Bill's Live. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back. Welcome back to one of Bill's Lives.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasler, Chris Trapasso In. We're talking about the Buffalo

816
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: Bill's player that you feel is underappreciated and deserves more attention. Chris,

817
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: I'll ask you to give us your take on a

818
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: player that you feel is underappreciated.

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Speaker 2: Mine's Christian Benford, a six round pick out of Villanova

820
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. That whole ramp up to that training

821
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: camp was all about Kyrie Elam, who was the first

822
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: round pick that year, and Christian Benford three interceptions, fifteen

823
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: pass breakups. He's dealt with some injuries here or there.

824
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: I think he was a huge loss for the Bills

825
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: to not have him in that Divisional round game against

826
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs last season for the Bills, Christian Benford missed

827
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Speaker 2: one tackle. You talked about it earlier that players, especially

828
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: young players, aren't getting as much tackling practice once they're

829
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Christian Benford has certainly been part of

830
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: this not as vigorous practice regimen here in Buffalo as

831
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: part of the NFL just what they do. Yet one

832
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: misstackle last season. I think he is the perfect zone cornerback.

833
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: He gets his eyes around on the football very naturally.

834
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Speaker 2: The ball skills are there. You see an interception against

835
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Speaker 2: the Dolphins on a throw to Tyreek Kill. Now, does

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Speaker 2: he have tremendous speed, No, does he have, of course

837
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Speaker 2: the first or second round pedigree. No, he doesn't come

838
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: from a blue chip program. But when I've seen him

839
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: on the field, and I've said it before on this

840
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 2: showt year, he was the Bill's most reliable best cornerback,

841
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: not only in run support, but in coverage underneath intermediate

842
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: level and down the field. And I don't really think

843
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: anyone outside of Buffalo talks about him very much. So

844
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Speaker 2: entering year three, talked about James Cook and he kind

845
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: of spread his wings. I think this is the year

846
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 2: for Christian Benford, now fully healthy, to really assert himself

847
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: as someone that is a household name beyond Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I lead about him is his size.

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Speaker 1: He's big. He's a big six one body. He's got

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Speaker 1: a big body, good weight, and he's got the right

851
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: temper physical as well. And that's one of the things

852
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: that rows him up on the Bills draft chart was

853
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: that he had that old soul kind of feel to him,

854
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: like Gabe Davis thing where his intangibles were like, oh

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00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: my gosh, who is this is? Like this Gandhi type

856
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: of guy, right, one of those guys. So yeah, I

857
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Speaker 1: like that answer, and you're right. As a sixth round

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00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: draft pick he started on opening day his rookie year,

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00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: that is a that is something that if that happened

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00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: to me, you put that on my tombstone when I'm ninety,

861
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, sixth round draft pick star on day one.

862
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: That's hard to do for me. I think the most

863
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: underappreciated guy and the guy who deserves more recognition is

864
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: Joshua Patrick Allen. The guy single handedly is the reason

865
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: the Bills are not a drought team anymore. From his

866
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: rookie season on. He has There are certain teams, there

867
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: a certain group of people, a niche group of people

868
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL who will tell you nobody is that guy.

869
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: And that's every defensive coordinator they go against. We have

870
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: seen time and time and time again, year after year,

871
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators on the opposite sideline just not have anything

872
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: to do. They have nowhere to turn. They have no

873
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: answer for this guy. He has single handedly raised this

874
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: entire franchise. He's the tenth after even in his contract extension,

875
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: he is now the tenth highest paid quarterback in the league.

876
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: And I would submit that there aren't there may not

877
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: be more than one guy. Any team would take over

878
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: him right now. He's entering the prime of his career.

879
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: He's going into year number seve and he has won

880
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: a playoff game each of the last five years. This

881
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: guy's not going anywhere, and this franchise is dead in

882
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: the water without him. He has changed the way the

883
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: quarterback position is viewed. He has outplayed every member of

884
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: his peer group at different times. He's beaten Pat Mahomes,

885
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: who is the upper the up. He's the top of

886
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: the top of the heap. He's nobody has beaten Pat

887
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: Mahomes more than Josh Allen. Nobody in Arrowhead. So that's

888
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: I think, uh, and it's you know, for us here

889
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, I mean, we couldn't appreciate him more. But

890
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: I think around the NFL because of the fact that

891
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: he puts the ball at risk and that he does

892
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: and tries to do so much for this offense he does,

893
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: he turns it over. Most bills fans you know, well,

894
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: I wish he didn't do it. They don't care because

895
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,479
Speaker 1: the guy's gonna score twice or three times as many

896
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: touchdowns as he is is going to turn it over.

897
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: He's the face of the league, and I don't know

898
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: if you can give him enough credit. And they're one

899
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: of the reasons. And really the only reason he doesn't

900
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: get enough credit is because of the guys in the

901
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: peer group he's in, Joe Burrow, Pat mahomes Lamar. But

902
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: that's a short list. Yeah.

903
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: I could add a lot to this, but I'll just

904
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: be quick here because we've got to get to a

905
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: break before we get to Judy. The thing that to

906
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: me has been why Josh Allen has been able to

907
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: sustain elite production over the last five years. He's an

908
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: elite level pocket passer. He's probably the best improviser throwing

909
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: the football outside of structure, and his running ability is

910
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: right up there with Lamar Jackson just in terms of efficiency.

911
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: What he can do as a runner is way ahead

912
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: of Joe Burrow. It's better than Patrick Mahomes. The arm

913
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: talent is there. He really is the total embodiment of

914
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: a draft prospect reaching his full potential.

915
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: He really is. And listen, he came in. He was raw,

916
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: no question about it. But he's really really smart, and

917
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: he works really really hard, and he's the right kind

918
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: of has the right kind of temperament. Uh. And he's

919
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: the right kind of leader for a club who looked

920
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: for it for a couple of decades. And so that's

921
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: my guy. Josh Allen, I think is the most underappreciated

922
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: and deserves more credit than he gets, and he gets

923
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: a ton of it. But that's how good he is

924
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: to me. He's head and shoulders above the rest of

925
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: his peer group. So we're gonna take a break. Judy Batista,

926
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: who is the NFL Media senior national columnist. She'll be

927
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Speaker 1: with us in the next segment. Steve Taster Chris Trapasso

928
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Collida Health.

929
00:46:36,360 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 7: This is the Buffalo Bills Radio.

930
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Calllia Health. Welcome

931
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: back to One Bill's Lives Steve Tasker, along with Chris Trapasso,

932
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: who's co hosting with me today, we'd like to welcome

933
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: in National or NFL Media senior national columnist judyatis Bautista.

934
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: Judy is in in proximity to the owners meetings, I guess,

935
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: and we wanted to talk to you about what's going

936
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 1: on down there. We've been having a big convert, big

937
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: fat conversation, Judy about about the you know, the eighteen

938
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: game schedule and the give and take between the union.

939
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: That seems like a it seems like a foregone conclusion,

940
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: this eighteen game schedule. But does it come across to

941
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: you like that.

942
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 6: Yes, very much so. Look, the owners have been trying

943
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 6: to get eighteen games for years, not the previous collective

944
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 6: bargaining negotiation, but the one before that. So you're going

945
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 6: back more than a decade that they were trying to

946
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 6: expand the schedule to eighteen games. They got to seventeen

947
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 6: with with this CBA that they're in right now, but

948
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 6: they've always wanted eighteen first of all, for the balance,

949
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 6: an equal number of home and away and looks it's

950
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 6: greater revenue. As we've seen, they keep divvying up the

951
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 6: pie among their broadcast partners, and so this would give

952
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 6: them another game to sell. And I mean, the you know,

953
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 6: the demand for it is booming because you don't, you know,

954
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 6: you don't just have the NBCs and ESPNS and the

955
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 6: sort of the traditional broadcasters. Now the streaming entities are

956
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 6: all getting into it. I mean, you just saw but

957
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 6: the what Netflix paid just for the Christmas Day games

958
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 6: and you know Black Friday game on Amazon Prime Video.

959
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 6: So getting more games means getting more revenue. I don't

960
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 6: have any doubt that we're going to get to an

961
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 6: eighteen game season, regular season in very short orders. They

962
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 6: don't have to wait to the expiration of this collective

963
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 6: bargaining agreement to start talking to the union about it.

964
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 6: They can start talking to the union about it whenever

965
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 6: the two sides can get together, then I suspect they will.

966
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: So the big question is what can the union get

967
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: in return or what will they want to get in

968
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: return for this. Certainly this off season thing, the owners

969
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: will give that anyway. They are not paying these guys, right,

970
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: who cares? Right? Yeah, go to Tahiti. I don't care,

971
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: but show up when I want you to show up.

972
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: The question is, you know, bigger, you know, bigger slice

973
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: of the pie for the salary cap, maybe expanded rosters,

974
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: maybe forced rest like an extra bye week, or an

975
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: extra mandatory like you have to sit down. Your team's playing,

976
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: but you can't play that week because you're due a

977
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: rest week, because you're a veteran, whatever, whatever. What is

978
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: the players union? What are they gonna What is the

979
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: most audacious ask they're gonna get out of this eighteen

980
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: game schedule.

981
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 6: Well, they're certainly going to ask for a bigger slice

982
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 6: of the revenue pie. Whether they get it is the

983
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 6: big question. We've seen in the past that players are

984
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 6: willing to trade some portion of greater revenue in exchange for,

985
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 6: for instance, work rules. And that's where this conversation about

986
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 6: changing the off season schedule comes in, right. The players'

987
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 6: Union is working on a proposal. It's not done yet,

988
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 6: but that would essentially stop football. You know, the season

989
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 6: would end at the super Bowl and then there would

990
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 6: be a long layoff. There'd be none of these sort

991
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 6: of voluntary workouts OTAs they would. Players would be off

992
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 6: at the start of the off season. So they'd be

993
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 6: off right now, for instance, and then they would come

994
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 6: back maybe late June early July, and have a very long,

995
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 6: gradual ramp up to training camp. Now, for those of

996
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 6: us who have been around the NFL for all these years,

997
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 6: you say, like, whoa, that is going to be very disruptive, right,

998
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 6: I mean, think of all of the people who take

999
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 6: those three or four weeks off in the NFL. The

1000
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 6: league office is quiet, every team is quiet. Coaches go

1001
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 6: on vacation like that's the only time they take off

1002
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 6: that their kids are off from school. Like you know,

1003
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 6: I've heard coaches talk about like as long as they

1004
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 6: give them that three or four weeks, you know, in

1005
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 6: late June early July, they'll be okay. So that would

1006
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 6: get blown up, but they would have a bigger chunk

1007
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 6: or at least the players would have a bigger chunk

1008
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 6: of time off at the start of the off season.

1009
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 6: And you know, they say they have consulted with medical

1010
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 6: professionals about recovery time and that this would be much

1011
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 6: better for recovery and conditioning. And then again they would

1012
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 6: have that long lead up to training camp. That would

1013
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 6: be different. It would certainly be different for staff and

1014
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 6: coaches and players. I suspect owners would be happy to

1015
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 6: give the players union that concession new work rules if

1016
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 6: they don't have to give them more money. I agree

1017
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 6: with you. I would think that the union would want

1018
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 6: expanded rosters, and if the owners are willing to give

1019
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 6: them that, I mean, it's really hard to say no

1020
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 6: to more jobs, right, Like, if you're creating more opportunities

1021
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 6: for more players, that's a good thing. I think. You know.

1022
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 6: The thing that the owners have always cared about, though,

1023
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 6: is the revenue pie, and that's the thing they will

1024
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 6: fight on. They do not want to give up more revenue.

1025
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 6: They didn't all get to be billionaires by giving that

1026
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 6: money away, and so that will that will be the

1027
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 6: sticking point. The question is what are the players willing

1028
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 6: to take in exchange for getting more revenue?

1029
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: All right, Judy, I have two questions for you. One,

1030
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: we've heard so much about the league's push over the

1031
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: last few years of wanting to have a quote unquote

1032
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: tent pole event every month on the calendar, which seems like, man,

1033
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: we love the NFL, but it's nice to get that

1034
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: break into summer. How much of that maybe mid to

1035
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: late June start of training camp to have that tent

1036
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: pole event in that month, how much does that play in?

1037
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: And secondly, did we hear any further progression on maybe

1038
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: a scaleback of the preseason that you have this long

1039
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: training camp. But then could that also coincide with going

1040
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: from now three to maybe down to two preseason games?

1041
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 6: Yeah? Actually Roger Goodell talked about that at the owners

1042
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 6: meeting in Nashville last week that he talked about, you know,

1043
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 6: an eighteen game regular season and going down in preseason

1044
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 6: probably the two games. He said, It's clear fans want

1045
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 6: more football, they don't want more preseason football. So that's

1046
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 6: where they're looking at. Now. You know, the league is

1047
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 6: going to say, well, you're playing the same amount of games.

1048
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 6: It's just these are regular season games that count versus

1049
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 6: the preseason games. We all know that the games are

1050
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 6: not equivalent, not even close. Preseason games the starters don't

1051
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 6: play very much, if they play at all. Certainly there's

1052
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 6: not the level of physicality that you see in regular

1053
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 6: season games, so they're not equivalent. But yes, I would

1054
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 6: expect that we'll see fewer preseason games. You know, I

1055
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 6: think that the league will will go for eighteen, will

1056
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 6: want eighteen games, a shorter preseason. I suspect that they

1057
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 6: will be happy to change the work schedule because I

1058
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 6: don't think owners really care about that that much. They're

1059
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: not making money during the offseason. And as for the

1060
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 6: tent pole events, I can remember writing a story when

1061
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 6: I worked at the New York Times, so that was,

1062
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 6: you know, years ago, fifteen years ago at least, where

1063
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 6: a league official at that time said they wanted to

1064
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 6: basically colonize the entire calendar. Right, the NFL has the

1065
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 6: shortest playing season of the major sports, so they want

1066
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 6: to have events throughout the offseason to sustain interest. If

1067
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 6: you go to an eighteen game regular season and then

1068
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 6: you have two buy weeks, let's say you're pushing the

1069
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 6: super Bowl to Presidence Day weekend, which is another thing

1070
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Speaker 6: that Roger Goodell has always thought about, because then you

1071
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Speaker 6: have Super Bowl Sunday as part of a three day weekend. Anyway,

1072
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 6: it just sort of makes it even bigger your Super

1073
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 6: Bowl parties or even bigger and later all of that,

1074
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 6: and then maybe you push, you know, again, if you're

1075
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 6: gonna have this off season schedule change, maybe having the

1076
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 6: super Bowl, you know, in mid February means that you

1077
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 6: push the combine into early March. Instead of having it

1078
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 6: in late February. You push it into early March. So

1079
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 6: then you have that would be a ten poll event.

1080
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 6: Then you would push free agency maybe into early February

1081
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 6: instead of late March. I'm sorry, you would pu put

1082
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 6: it into early April rather than late March. And so

1083
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 6: then if you're pushing free agency forward, then maybe you're

1084
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 6: pushing the draft back a few weeks instead of having it,

1085
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 6: you know that sort of last weekend in April. Maybe

1086
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 6: you push that into early May. And then if you start,

1087
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 6: you know this sort of what ever it's going to

1088
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 6: be called training camp run up to training camp in

1089
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 6: late June, then you've got a tenth pole event in

1090
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 6: every month, right, I mean once once they get into camp,

1091
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 6: whenever that is, you're forgetting. You're for life first, whatever

1092
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 6: that is. Then it's football.

1093
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: You're forgetting. Schedule release day, which is going to.

1094
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 6: Be release day. I forgot that one.

1095
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: That's another one that's still it's now a huge event

1096
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: we've got We were Judy, we're goners here, so we

1097
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 4: were having mock schedules released too, so you know, we're

1098
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 4: right so.

1099
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 6: Yes, I can remember when they used to just like

1100
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 6: literally again when I worked at the New York Times,

1101
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 6: they would literally call and say like, do you need

1102
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 6: do you want the schedule right?

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00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1104
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 6: Okay, And that would be how we would get the

1105
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 6: schedule right now.

1106
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: Now it's a primetime event, and NaN's.

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00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 6: Weeks and weeks of anticipation.

1108
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: So we've got this all this new stuff that's always taken.

1109
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: These owners meetings are becoming our tent pole event as well.

1110
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, because because they talk about

1111
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: stuff that we all know about, like the new kickoff

1112
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: rules that are coming in, the optical tracking technology that

1113
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: is going to be tried in the preseason. Here about

1114
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: about you know, first down markers, and we're never going

1115
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: to have the chain gang anymore? And how you know

1116
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: these are these are life altering events for some of

1117
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: us old timers who are used to having you know,

1118
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: dads and uncles on the chain gang when you're a kid,

1119
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, getting you a first down? What's that going

1120
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: to look like? And how did the testing go during

1121
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: last year's the Super Bowl? They tested in those games

1122
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: and four stadiums, how'd all that go? And what's the

1123
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: latest on the first down technology.

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00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 6: Well, it went well enough for them to want to

1125
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Speaker 6: continue the testing and to expand the testing. I mean,

1126
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 6: obviously that was a very small sample size. They want

1127
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 6: to test it in the preseason with the idea that

1128
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Speaker 6: potentially it could be used in the regular season this

1129
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 6: year twenty twenty four. The challenge is you've got to

1130
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 6: have all the stadiums outfitted for it, right this is

1131
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 6: you know, and that and that as a challenge, especially

1132
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 6: as they have expanded internationally. You know, Wembley is a

1133
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 6: top tier stadium in Tottenham. Hotspur was built, you know,

1134
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 6: in consultation with the NFL. But you've got other stadiums

1135
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 6: coming in now. I have not been to the stadium

1136
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 6: in South Pallo, Brazil, where they're going to play, so

1137
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 6: all of these stadiums would have to be outfitted with

1138
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 6: that technology. Certainly, the technology has been there for a

1139
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 6: while now, and you know, when we have sort of

1140
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 6: crazy jeans, you know, when Gene's territory was using the

1141
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 6: index card to try to spot where the ball was

1142
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 6: and if they'd gotten the first down, you're saying, really like, surely,

1143
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 6: you know technology is advanced that we don't need to

1144
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,479
Speaker 6: do this. The Chain Gang, as I understand, it will

1145
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 6: still be there as a backup, So you're going to

1146
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 6: have a human element as a backup to the technology.

1147
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 6: I don't think the NFL wants to lose the theater

1148
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 6: of the Chain Gang. Like I think there's something sort

1149
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 6: of romantic about the Chain Gang.

1150
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: We have romanticized the card. Yeah, but yes, you're right right,

1151
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: we don't need that.

1152
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 6: But but for accuracy's sake, you know, I see that coming.

1153
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 6: And again, ideally they get it in place in time

1154
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 6: for this regular season. I think it's just more a

1155
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 6: question of can they get the stadiums ready.

1156
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: You mentioned Wembley Stadium, Tottenham Hotspur. They are playing that

1157
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: Packers Eagles game in Brazil this year. What do we

1158
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: know on the front of the international series. I saw

1159
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: a tweet last week. I don't remember who it was from,

1160
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: but it was from a media member that quoted an

1161
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: owner saying that eventually they would like every team to

1162
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: play at least one international game. I don't know if

1163
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: that's on the docket yet. But what can you tell

1164
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: us about just the current status and the future of

1165
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: the NFL playing all over the world.

1166
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 6: Well, the international part of the NFL is a huge

1167
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 6: push because that is a potential growth area, right. I mean,

1168
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 6: the NFL already dominates the United States landscape, sporting landscape,

1169
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 6: cultural landscape, but you've got a whole big world out

1170
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 6: there that doesn't really that where the is not dominant yet,

1171
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 6: and so they they want to dominate it. You've seen

1172
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 6: them go into London, pardon me, you know, they've played

1173
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 6: in Europe obviously, going to Brazil is going to a

1174
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 6: new place in South America. They've played in Mexico. I

1175
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 6: think they will expand they will keep playing in Europe.

1176
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Speaker 6: They're going to play in Spain. They've already talked about,

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Speaker 6: you know, playing in Paris, maybe in Rome. Peter O'Reilly,

1178
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Speaker 6: who is the NFL executive who oversees international games, talked

1179
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 6: about Australia, which it would be great. That is a

1180
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 6: great sporting country. Again, the logistics of playing a game

1181
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 6: in Australia, literally on the other side of the world,

1182
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 6: would have to be ironed out. But there's no question

1183
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 6: international growth is where the NFL's attention is. And that

1184
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 6: is a big reason why Netflix got the Christmas Day Games.

1185
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 6: Because Netflix is not just streaming, It doesn't just have

1186
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 6: a younger audience. But Netflix is glow right. Their reach

1187
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 6: is global. They have millions and millions, tens of millions

1188
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 6: of subscribers around the world, and so that is a

1189
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 6: portal for the NFL to get into, to get a game,

1190
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 6: you know, all over the place, Asia, South America, Europe.

1191
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 6: That's where the NFL's attention is focused in the future.

1192
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: So and we here in Buffalo, we talk about the

1193
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: Bills all the time every day, and you know, so

1194
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: we also are very in tuned with the AFC East.

1195
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: You had an article that came out some bold predict

1196
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: predictions about it, and you think the Jet and I

1197
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: kind of I have to agree with you. I think

1198
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: one team that is going to be a really different

1199
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: squad this year is the New York Jets. You think

1200
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: that for sure they're going to break their playoff drought

1201
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: this year. It certainly looks like and the way they

1202
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: played last year, even with poor to very poor quarterback.

1203
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 6: Play terrible you can say it a quarterback situation in

1204
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 6: the NFL.

1205
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: Their quarterback situation was an atrocity. And with Aaron Rodgers

1206
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: coming back, they looked to be not just a good

1207
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: a force. I mean, I think they're really going to

1208
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: be a good team this year.

1209
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 6: Your thoughts, Yeah, First of all, the defense is outstanding period, right,

1210
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 6: and it was outstanding. That's what kept them in games

1211
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 6: last year. Breise Hall, who ended up having a really

1212
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 6: good season last year, but he started slow last year

1213
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 6: because he was coming off an ACL injury, Well you're

1214
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 6: not going to have that this year. He's going to

1215
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 6: come out of the gate flying. Garrett Wilson is a

1216
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 6: superstar wide receiver. They got Mike Williams. We're not quite

1217
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 6: sure when he's going to be ready because he's coming

1218
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 6: off an injury. They rebuilt the offensive line, which was

1219
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 6: as poor as the quarterback play was. The offensive line

1220
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 6: play was that poor too. They rebuilt that this offseason.

1221
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 6: And then Aaron Rodgers does not even have to be

1222
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 6: peak Aaron Rodgers from the Green Bay years. He just

1223
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 6: has to be average level Aaron Rodgers, and he is

1224
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 6: a vast improvement on anything they have had in a

1225
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 6: quarterback position in a long time. I mean, he basically

1226
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 6: just has to stay upright, because what Aaron Rodgers is

1227
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 6: going to do that they couldn't count on last year

1228
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 6: is he will get the ball in the right place.

1229
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 6: He's not going to make the mental mistakes that they

1230
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 6: suffered with last year. And so look, they won seven

1231
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 6: games last year with as you said, just atrocious quarterback play.

1232
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 6: You know, I think Aaron Rodgers is probably good for

1233
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 6: a few more than seven wins. I would be surprised

1234
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 6: if they don't make the playoffs. And maybe it's as

1235
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 6: a wildcard because obviously they would still have to get

1236
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 6: fast Buffalo and Miami in the division. But if it

1237
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 6: is a catastrophic failure, if they don't make the playoffs,

1238
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 6: if Rogers is healthy this year.

1239
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, I've been saying this since

1240
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: Joe Douglass and Robert Salah got in the building over there.

1241
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: We used to have a holiday after the draft to

1242
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: make fun of the Jets draft. You can't do that anymore.

1243
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: They have drafted very smart. They've drafted good players, productive players,

1244
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: players who have contributed and now who are on the

1245
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: field as players. So the Jets have been working towards

1246
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: this for a long time, and it's almost sad that

1247
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: they're in this make or break spot because of the

1248
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: quarterback they missed one.

1249
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 6: There's no question. I mean, listen there, I don't I

1250
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 6: don't want to put anybody's job in jeopardy. But I'm

1251
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 6: not saying anything that anybody doesn't know. I mean, Robert

1252
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 6: Solo and Joe Douglas are on the hot seat this year,

1253
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 6: like they've got to get results. Yes, they had to

1254
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 6: rebuild the roster, no question about it, and they did.

1255
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 6: And obviously they swung for the fences last year in

1256
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 6: getting Rogers, and you know, and then it was just

1257
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 6: awful how it fell apart. But I mean they got

1258
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 6: to win games, you know. I think part of the

1259
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 6: reason that they are on the hot seat now is because,

1260
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 6: I mean, yes, losing Rogers is just a gut punch,

1261
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 6: but you lost Rogers literally four snaps into the season.

1262
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 6: There was a long time there for them to adjust,

1263
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 6: and and they didn't adjust. And part of what makes

1264
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 6: that such a glaring failure last year is that we

1265
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 6: saw how many teams in the NFL had to play

1266
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 6: with backup quarterbacks last year and performed well. Right, I mean,

1267
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 6: the Cleveland Browns played like, I mean, how many quarterbacks

1268
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 6: did they use five or six quarterbacks last year?

1269
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: You know?

1270
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 6: Right? Like the Bengals needed a backup I mean everybody

1271
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 6: was using backup quarterbacks last year, and some teams had

1272
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 6: really good success and the fact that the jeff did

1273
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 6: not respond, never recovered from something that happened minute into

1274
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 6: the season. I mean that you know that goes on

1275
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 6: their resume too, so they've got to recover from that.

1276
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 6: But obviously, if your job is on the line, you

1277
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 6: know there's a handful of quarterbacks that you'd be happy

1278
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 6: are playing for your job, and Aaron Rodgers is one

1279
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 6: of those guys.

1280
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got Tim Boyle on that Black Friday game

1281
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 2: last year that Amazon paid all that money. It was

1282
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 2: Tim Boyle against a tongue of VLOA kind of a

1283
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Speaker 2: snoozer of a game. Question for you is actually two

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Speaker 2: prong question one on the Jets. Have you ever, in

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01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: all of your decades of covering the NFL do you

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01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: remember another team that is more all in on one

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Speaker 2: season than the New York Jets.

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Speaker 6: Probably not. I'm trying to think of a team there

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01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 6: was that year, remember that.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles the dream Team?

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Speaker 6: Here Vince Young with the dream Team. Vince Young called

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Speaker 6: it the dream Team, and then it didn't work out.

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Speaker 6: But like that was sort of felt like an all

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Speaker 6: end kind of season. This is all in on one person, right,

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Speaker 6: Everything is built around Aaron Rodgers, like, I mean, which

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Speaker 6: is what they did last year too, right. I mean,

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Speaker 6: then they got all of his friends, Randall Cobb Allan

1298
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 6: was hard right the way Turner, they just started acquiring

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Speaker 6: all Aaron Rodgers' buddies. It didn't work out, but I mean,

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01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 6: they have done everything they possibly can to build around

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01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers, and you're obviously going to have him for

1302
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 6: a very narrow window of time. He's not playing forever.

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01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 6: You've got two, two more years, three more years maybe,

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01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 6: so I mean they've they've got to go for it,

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 6: and then you know, consequences be damned, right, Like the

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 6: whole point is, try to win a Super Bowl. You

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01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 6: haven't won one since Joe Namath win it, and then

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Speaker 6: you know you'll worry about the rebuild after the parade.

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Speaker 1: Judy Batista, NFL Media Senior National Columnists, Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for spending some time with us. Have fun at the

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Speaker 1: owners meetings.

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Speaker 6: Great to see you guys, enjoy the off season what

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Speaker 6: there is of it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us as we move along this

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: that it's really interesting to hear about that because the

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01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: one of the reasons the Jets struggled to adjust after

1317
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers went down was because of the people they

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01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: hired to playkate Aaron Rodgers signing there, I mean Nathaniel Hackett.

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01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have any He's not the guy

1320
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: to develop a young quarterback or to switch switch, you know,

1321
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: change tax su sure right during the regular season to

1322
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: get a young quarterback rather than have Aaron Rodgers in there.

1323
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: He just wasn't the guy to get that done. We've

1324
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: heard some reports that they were trying to lure some

1325
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: other offensive minds in just in case that did happen again,

1326
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: so they could adjust. But I think you can, ironically,

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Speaker 1: you can lay it at the feet of Aaron Rodgers

1328
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: for getting hurt and making it so that they couldn't

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Speaker 1: adjust to his injury.

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Speaker 2: And I mean as usual, I mean, Judy's one of

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01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 2: the best analysts out there. She's been doing it since

1332
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Speaker 2: like the nineties at New York Times now for NFL

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Speaker 2: dot Com. Her point, and I think it is probably

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Speaker 2: a sticking point, and it's something that is kind of

1335
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 2: a sore thumb in the New York media down there

1336
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 2: in New York City and just in the Jets organization

1337
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: that we saw all these backups Joe Flacco looked like

1338
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: a rejuvenated player under Kevin Stefanski in Cleveland, and the

1339
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: Jets just couldn't even get average quarterback play, like you said,

1340
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: poor to very poor. And I was hoping that you

1341
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: were going to categorize it that way, because that's what

1342
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: it was. They needed maybe two more wins and they're

1343
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Last season they couldn't even get because

1344
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: of their probably offensive coordinator was not able to kind

1345
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 2: of change on the fly. Why I asked Judy, is

1346
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 2: there has there ever been a team that's been more

1347
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 2: all in in the Jets. It's not just Aaron Rodgers

1348
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,520
Speaker 2: in his forties coming off the Achilles. It's Mike Williams

1349
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: who's been good but is always injured. They let Bryce

1350
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 2: huff go in free agency, and they trade for Hassan Reddick,

1351
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 2: who's up there in age. There are a lot of

1352
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: pieces on this roster that are kind of, hey, this

1353
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: is their one last shot to kind of make their

1354
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: name for themselves in this Jets organization. And like she mentioned,

1355
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: we all know if this team, I think they might

1356
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 2: even have to win a playoff game. If it's Robert

1357
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 2: Sala Joe Douglas for as good as both of their

1358
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 2: reputations have been. If they don't do it this year,

1359
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: they're going to essentially clean house and it's gonna be

1360
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: Breisee Hall and Garrett Wilson and not much else on

1361
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 2: this roster next season.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Steve Tasker and Chris Rhasso here to you

1363
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: with you until three. We've been talking a lot about

1364
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 1: We just finished with Judy Batista about the eighteen game schedule,

1365
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: how likely it is, and most people have already it's

1366
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: a formality. They add to formality. Now the own the

1367
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: players union has started into negotiations and they've made a

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01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: presentation at least they're about to or have made a

1369
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: presentation to the owners about what the offseason should look like.

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01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: In a perfect world for the players Union, I think

1371
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: there's no question that the revenue split with twelve percent

1372
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: more games with the players asking certainly they'll get their

1373
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: current percentage of the added revenue of two extra regular

1374
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: season games. And when this CBA was implemented, when it

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01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: was only sixteen games, they've moved to seventeen. The revenues

1376
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: have gone up. They've added holiday games, the revenues have

1377
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: gone up. Now they're going to add this eighteenth game,

1378
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: the revenues will instensibly go up again. These are the

1379
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: players automatically because of the CBA get the same the

1380
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: percentage of those games, just more money. Will they ask

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01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: for a bigger percentage of those games?

1382
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: And I think it's important to bring this up in

1383
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 2: the CBA that you mentioned and Judy confirmed they don't

1384
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: have to wait another decade for this to come into

1385
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 2: you know, to be what is normal that they can say,

1386
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: let's talk now, let's do it by twenty twenty five,

1387
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, when the new bill Stadium opens. It's

1388
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: important to mention and I didn't mean to kind of

1389
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 2: cut you off there, but we mentioned forty eight point

1390
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: eight percent. That is what the players get. That's the

1391
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: piece of the pie that they get of this tens

1392
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars that the league brings in. So

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01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting monitor if the league and the players

1394
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: union ask for maybe forty nine point eight percent or

1395
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: fifty percent and what the owners ultimately agree to. Because

1396
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 2: Judy mentioned that that it will be the biggest sticking

1397
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: point in these negotiations that it feels like the schedule

1398
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 2: the rest time, the multiple bye weeks probably bigger rosters

1399
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 2: like Steve's been advocating for. They all can agree on that,

1400
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: but when it comes down to brass tacks, it's going

1401
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: to be about how much of a slice of the

1402
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 2: pie do the players get with that sailor cap currently

1403
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: forty eight point eight percent. Maybe they can get it

1404
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: closer to fifty percent. To play with the owners.

1405
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: And one of the things that happened last July, the

1406
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: NFLPA elected Lloyd Howell as their new executive director. He

1407
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,520
Speaker 1: replaced d Maurice Smith. So they've had new leadership installed

1408
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: within the last year. With that last ten months and

1409
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, they took a fresh look at everything. And

1410
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: now they're they're making this pitch about the off season.

1411
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: I think the ownership and Judy alluded to it, and

1412
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: I've been saying it the same thing. The owners don't

1413
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: care about the off season what the players are doing.

1414
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: They if you don't want to come in, find don't.

1415
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: We're not paying you for that. We pay you for

1416
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: the eighteen games in the fall play right, Yes, they

1417
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: the owners could not possibly care less. Now, certainly they'll

1418
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: hear it from their their coaches and stuff, and we're

1419
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: going to you know that. But as long as every

1420
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: team's in the same boat, nobody cares. You know, you've

1421
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: got to overcome those challenges. So this is about the

1422
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: players union and the ownership, the coaches, the staff, and

1423
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: Judy alluded to it. The coaches are like, listen, that's

1424
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: the only time we get our vacation. Okay, So you're

1425
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: not gonna get from from mid June through July off.

1426
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna get from mid May through June off. They

1427
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: don't care. Move it back six two weeks and get

1428
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: your same month off. No nobody cares. You can go

1429
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: quiet at a different time of year. That's gonna I

1430
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: think this is an absolute no brainer, and I would

1431
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: be really interested in what certainly they're going to get

1432
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 1: hands off until a long run up to training camp.

1433
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: That's absolutely gonna happen. This proposal by the players Union

1434
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: for the off season is an absolute no brain. To

1435
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: the question is do they get anything real like money,

1436
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: roster or roster spots different players. You know, what's it

1437
01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: gonna be like in season time off whatever, what's it

1438
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: gonna look like. And that's that's the real question for sure.

1439
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Christophassa, We're gonna take a break here, we're

1440
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: gonna come back. We're gonna look at your tweet sheet

1441
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: about our question which Bill's player is most underappreciated? And

1442
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: we will also take your phone calls right after the break.

1443
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Christophasso. This is one Bill's Live. Welcome back

1444
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: to one of Bill's Lives, Steve Tasker, Chris Trapasso. We

1445
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: asked you our listeners, what Bill's player deserves more attention

1446
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: or more credit? Who's who's the most underappreciated? And we've

1447
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: got a caller from Judy in Buffalo. Judy, you're on

1448
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: with Stephen Chris. What's on your mind?

1449
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 8: You know, I think, well over a year ago I

1450
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 8: called in, I said Shakira was being underutilized, and after

1451
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 8: that he turned out to be a star that made

1452
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 8: a difference on this team. And I kind of think

1453
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 8: that he's going to be that player this year because

1454
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 8: we're going to have a controlled offense, which will help

1455
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 8: all of the other receivers get their due, get their

1456
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 8: passes and their receptions, get their yards. But Shaki, I

1457
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 8: think is a difference maker on this team and the Bills.

1458
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 8: You know, they have a very difficult schedule. I don't

1459
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 8: care what anybody says they've got to win at least

1460
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 8: ten games to make the playoffs and hopefully Shakira will

1461
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 8: be there for them.

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: Thanks Judia, I would agree with that. In fact, I

1463
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: have said I told you no, that's not true. Brownie

1464
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: has told me I told you so a number of

1465
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: times because I was down on him. Well made all

1466
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: She said, Yeah, I was the opposite of you, Judy.

1467
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know if he was an athlete

1468
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: enough when they drafted him, and then you know, then

1469
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: the second year came and as he kind of worked

1470
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: his way onto the field. He does have an IQ.

1471
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: The guy is open, he gets it and he knows

1472
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: and I think too, his biggest gift is knowing what

1473
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: Josh wants. Like this throw to the bottom of the

1474
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,440
Speaker 1: corner the end zone against Kansas City Chiefs for that touchdown.

1475
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: You gotta be thinking, what can I do to give

1476
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: him a spot to throw it in? And Josh, you know,

1477
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: puts it in there and it's a touchdown and the

1478
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: Bills are off and running.

1479
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 2: And how about that that huge catch which had the

1480
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 2: Bills won that division of the round game, we would

1481
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 2: probably see that play on repeat more than we do

1482
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 2: Shakir had that ability and that rapport with Josh Allen,

1483
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: even though he was not a high target type of player.

1484
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 2: He was not getting one hundred and fifty targets. He

1485
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: was only in the year two. He barely saw the

1486
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: ball as a rookie. So to your point, I do

1487
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: think that is vital, that just kind of innate ability

1488
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 2: to know where Josh wants him to be. Especially we

1489
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 2: know how good Josh Allen is. He's elite at being,

1490
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 2: you know, an improviser making plays outside of structure. Imagine

1491
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: what Khalil Shakir and Josh Allen can do together as

1492
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 2: their connection has grown so much from going from year

1493
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: one in twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three for

1494
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: Khalil Shakir now into year three where he's fresh off

1495
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: that six to eight games down the stretch, the two

1496
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 2: games in the playoffs where he and Josh Allen did

1497
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: have that rapport that didn't really come from any high

1498
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 2: volume amount of him seeing the football. So I do

1499
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: think Judy's right she called it that he was underappreciated

1500
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: last year, and maybe this is the season that Khalil

1501
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 2: Shakir kind of steps into more of the limelight as

1502
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 2: that chain moving, reliable slot receiver that we know is

1503
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: vital in today's NFL.

1504
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think too, it'll be interesting because we

1505
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: know what Khalil did last year when Diggs was in

1506
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: the mix and Davis was in the mix. I don't

1507
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: know we know what any of these guys are going

1508
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: to do with Khalil in the mix, with Samuel or

1509
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: Coleman or mac Hollins or what have you, Shorter or

1510
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: Shavers or or any of these guys. We don't know

1511
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: what this is going to look like with this mix

1512
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: of players. Now, I have complete faith that Josh gonna

1513
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: make it work and they're all gonna play get a

1514
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities. He's a great safety valve both with

1515
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: his arm and his legs. The guy can do it,

1516
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: and we saw it and time and time again. I

1517
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: mean you go back, you go on the internet, and

1518
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: you go down and look for highlights of Josh Allen

1519
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: and it is jaw dropping the stuff the guy does.

1520
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: And we tend to kind of take that for granted.

1521
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: And I know this too. Everybody says, well, you're putting

1522
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: a lot on Josh Allen's play. Yeah, you know what,

1523
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: so do the Chiefs, so does so does you know,

1524
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: La the Chargers, So does l A Rams, So does

1525
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: Jack So do all these teams with an elite quarterback,

1526
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: that's what they're there for. And we've got a unicorn

1527
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: at quarterback.

1528
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a slippery slope because then if

1529
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 2: you don't have what the Bills have, then you get

1530
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: into that brock Purty era where it's area where it's oh,

1531
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: it's really not him, it's it's just the team around him.

1532
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: The really good teams rely a lot on their quarterback.

1533
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 2: It is a passing league. It is a quarterback driven land.

1534
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: You want that, and the quarterback earns it. They don't

1535
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 2: just give it to him. The guy earns it.

1536
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: Little by little, we saw Josh Allen with Brian Dabole

1537
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: and and Joe Brady and Sean McDermott and all these

1538
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: guys and all the players around him, the you know,

1539
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: the Bob Foster, the Robert Foster of the world, hell,

1540
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: the Benjamin's of the world. You know, little by little,

1541
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, they put it around him, and then you know,

1542
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,919
Speaker 1: then they finally started. They got Mitch Morse, they got

1543
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 1: and then Dion came into his own. You draft Spencer Brown.

1544
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 1: He started getting these guys in there that could protect

1545
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: him up front, and he wasn't running. Plus he could

1546
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: see it better and didn't want to run as soon

1547
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: as it wasn't there as first Reid wasn't there. I mean,

1548
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:10,839
Speaker 1: the evolution happened fast, and you he earned the trust

1549
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: not only of Bills, fans and all and then you

1550
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: know all that, but the coaching staff.

1551
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1552
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: And his plate got bigger and bigger and could hold

1553
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: more and more and more until now he's an elite

1554
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: quarterbacking do anything you.

1555
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: Want, which speaks directly to what you mentioned a few

1556
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: segments ago, that his plate is bigger and bigger makes

1557
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 2: him so much more of a nightmare for defensive coordinators

1558
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: and defenses. All right, we're gonna limit down the field,

1559
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: all right. Then he's gonna shred you like he did

1560
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: in that opening season game against the Rams a few

1561
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 2: years ago where it was all underneath and there was

1562
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: a hey, can josh An throw deep? Then he starts

1563
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 2: hitting Gabe Davis and stuff and Steph Diggs down the field,

1564
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: and then you're so worried about him as a passer,

1565
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: then he can beat you as a designed runner. He

1566
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: can beat you outside of the pocket. So there's so

1567
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 2: much that he can do.

1568
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

1569
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: This question, by the way, I pitched it to our

1570
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,879
Speaker 2: producer Jay Harris today because I listened to a podcast

1571
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 2: yesterday from The Athletic, like Robert Mays interviewed Brandon Bean

1572
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 2: and he asked him the same very question, and Brandon

1573
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 2: Bean kind of took a second to answer, and I

1574
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 2: was really intrigued by what he said that going into

1575
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 2: last year, you mentioned the blocking around Josh Allen getting better,

1576
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 2: Dean Dawkins coming into his own. He said Spencer Brown

1577
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: first that that first game against the Jets, Josh throws

1578
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 2: four picks, like you mentioned last week, that's probably where

1579
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: he lost the MVP, just from that being a primetime game.

1580
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 2: Sure that game, Spencer Brown was not good the rest

1581
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 2: of the season. You never never really heard about him,

1582
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 2: and you want that if you're an offensive lineman. Spencer

1583
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 2: Brown Torel Bernard where Brandon Bean's.

1584
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: You'll say this to the thing you worry about with

1585
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown really is his health. That's what when he

1586
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: talked about when he plays when he's healthy, he plays

1587
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,799
Speaker 1: extremely well, but he's like he had shorter surgery this offseason.

1588
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 2: We just he's had a bunch, he's.

1589
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: Had back surgery. You know, he's got all this. I

1590
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: don't know if he's stuff going on.

1591
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's had an offseason where he

1592
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: was clean.

1593
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: I do not think he has. It's just part of

1594
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: the thing that follows him around. It's it's it's old

1595
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: it's very old school. It's very old school Tablo's cleanup.

1596
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: Not Yes, in my day, guys did it all the

1597
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: time and it was commonplace. Now you don't hear about

1598
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: it so much. But now they don't need that as much.

1599
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: But guys like Spencer Brown and Spencer he's a unique dude.

1600
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: He's six ' eight, you know, so he's really got

1601
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: that long athletic body. He's not a big, heavy dude

1602
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: like Dion or some of the other guy like Lyle Collins.

1603
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: He's just a little he's a little longer and leaner,

1604
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: and I think that lends itself maybe to you know,

1605
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: off seasons cleanups. We've got another caller online, Mark Mark

1606
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: from Orchard Park. Mark, go ahead, you're on with Chris

1607
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: and Steve.

1608
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 3: Good afternoon guy. He's glad to talk with you. Is

1609
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 3: I think the underrated guy on the team right now

1610
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 3: would have to be a J. A. Panessa. Reason being is,

1611
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 3: you know, since we brought him in, he has graduated,

1612
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 3: but he still gets low snap counts if you look

1613
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 3: at his versus his snap counts based on you know,

1614
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 3: other players in the league. If he had more snap counts,

1615
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 3: I think he would be super productive. And I think

1616
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 3: he gets that opportunity this year. So I'm gonna let

1617
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 3: it go at that, and you have a good day.

1618
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: Thanks. I appreciate it, thanks to call Mark. It's interesting

1619
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: and because guys who do play for the Bills.

1620
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Up front, they're not going to play eighty ninety.

1621
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: They get rotated through. Even you know, even a guy

1622
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 1: like Leonard Floyd last year, who led the team with

1623
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: double digit sacks, he he was a rotational and he

1624
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: did that. And I think one and the philosophy is

1625
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: is a little bit obvious, and it's also very simple.

1626
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: Fresh you can get fresh pass rushers on the field

1627
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: against offensive linemen who don't get subjects. So in the

1628
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: second half of games, you got fresh guys running after

1629
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback and dog tired offensive lineman. That's the thought process. Now,

1630
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: certainly those guys are in shape, but that the fact

1631
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: of the matter is in a seven team played drive

1632
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: and you're running fresh bodies in there, it starts to

1633
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: pay off. Yeah.

1634
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 2: What I always say for this is that I really

1635
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: agree with Sean mcdermot's principle here that you want those

1636
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 2: fresh pass rushers in the fourth quarter of games and

1637
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter of your season. That once you

1638
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: get to December January, these offensive linemen have played eight

1639
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 2: nine hundred snaps and aj Epanes has played four hundred.

1640
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: He's just going to be more fresh now. He did

1641
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 2: get hurt last year, but he's still despite that long stretch.

1642
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 2: He tips the pass, intercepts. Patrick Mahomes gets hurt on

1643
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 2: that play, misses a bunch of games. Still has six

1644
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: and a half sacks, eight pass breakups, and two interceptions,

1645
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 2: so he's been productive in kind of that rotational role.

1646
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 2: I think the Bills are hoping that he can take another.

1647
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: Step, and you'd also like those It also keeps those

1648
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: guys for there's a lot of benefits to it. If

1649
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: you've got those guys. Certainly you don't want a group

1650
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: of guys you don't want on the field as defensive lineman,

1651
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: at least all together. Anyway, you might, but you sprinkle

1652
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: them in. But if you've got good depth like the

1653
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: Bills have have had, Yeah, at least you've got like

1654
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,879
Speaker 1: first round. You've got Epinessa, Rousseau had.

1655
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 2: Oliver first and second rounder.

1656
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: All those guys are athletically first and second rounders. You

1657
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: do want him to get to the fourth quarter of

1658
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: the season, yes, but if you don't, you've still got

1659
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, you've got guys who have played. You're not

1660
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: pulling the guy off the practice squad and plugging him in,

1661
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 1: although you can do that for rotational purposes. You've got

1662
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: guys who you trust that you can in if you

1663
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: do it right, you can put him in when the

1664
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,879
Speaker 1: game is on the line and you've got frontline players

1665
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: on the field, rather than getting to the fourth quarter

1666
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: of the season and you got nine guys hurt and

1667
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: you know you got nobody left.

1668
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And I think to one last point that

1669
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 2: maybe aja Epinessa, and to Mark's point saying that he

1670
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: that he views aja Epinessa as the most underappreciated He's

1671
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,839
Speaker 2: not getting to the quarterback seventy eighty times a season,

1672
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,440
Speaker 2: but to knock down eight passes and have two interceptions,

1673
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 2: he's shown that innate ability he had five in the

1674
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 2: season before that, just in terms of bat it passes

1675
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 2: at the line. He knows now, being that he's played

1676
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 2: four seasons in the NFL. If I'm not gonna get

1677
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 2: there and get my hands up, I'm six five with

1678
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 2: long arms. That's kind of a nuanced skill that he's

1679
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: developed very well.

1680
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Chris Tapasso will be right back after this

1681
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 1: this and One Bill's Live. We're gonna wrap things up

1682
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: after the next segment. Welcome back to One Bill's Lives.

1683
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Time now to get to the tweet sheet. We've been

1684
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: getting some feedback from our question of the day, which

1685
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: is in your mind, which Buffalo Bill's players underappreciated and

1686
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,919
Speaker 1: deserves more attention. As we go to the tweet sheet,

1687
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna click on it so I can get it

1688
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: to expand like to like four hundred times it's normal size,

1689
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 1: so I can read it. Okay, here we go. K

1690
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: from Brian, he says Kayer Ela Mendorian Williams. Kayer is

1691
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,560
Speaker 1: a future cornerback number one, especially with Rassoul on the

1692
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: last of his deal, Trey's departure, and not one of

1693
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: the ten picks in twenty twenty three was a corner.

1694
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: Dorian is the future and Milano's eventual replacement. That's about him.

1695
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,719
Speaker 1: So you got you know, Kyrie Elam and Dorrian Williams.

1696
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: I'm a big Dorian Williams guy. I mean, I love

1697
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 2: Matt Milano. I think he's an elite linebacker when he

1698
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 2: comes back, he is. I mean everyone would say that

1699
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: Dorrian Williams. They'll keep an eye on him. The speed

1700
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 2: that he plays, with the aggression and the coverage ability.

1701
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: I think he can be that next linebacker that Sean

1702
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 2: mcdermot's coached so many good ones. I think he could

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01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: be the next one.

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01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll say this too, I know when Dorian

1705
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: gets on the field, he flashes oh yeah, a certain

1706
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 1: there are reasons beyond us as to why he's not

1707
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 1: on there all the time, and it has to do with,

1708
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,879
Speaker 1: you know, knowing all the defense, making sure and elevating

1709
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: the guys around and making sure they're on the right

1710
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: page too. As a linebacker, you kind of got some

1711
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: responsibilities for the guys around you, a lot of responses.

1712
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know if I think that's the

1713
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: one thing that you know, his lack of experience and

1714
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: lack of reps is probably one reason. But I'll tell

1715
01:27:57,880 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: you what, it's not as athleticism or his attitude. The

1716
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: guy I can really go. So that's a good one

1717
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: from Steve. He says for me, it's Curtis Samuel. He

1718
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: ran a four to three one. He can block well

1719
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 1: in the run game, he can run with the ball

1720
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: after the catch and out of the backfield. He has

1721
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,759
Speaker 1: been held back by a poor quarterback play on various teams.

1722
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: But I think he will shine with Josh Allen be

1723
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: a huge part of this Bill's offense. And there's a

1724
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: lot in that and there's a lot of potential there,

1725
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: no question. Yeah.

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01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: And in that interview that I referenced in the previous

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01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: segment after Judy, that Brandon Bean was talking about underrated players,

1728
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 2: he mentioned Curtis Samuel and said he can play outside,

1729
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 2: he can take it the ball in a jet sweep,

1730
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: We can hand him the ball as a running back.

1731
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 2: The speed is there. He's still young. We talked about

1732
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: it last week. Eight million dollars per season to be

1733
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 2: with Joe Brady, who he had his best season with,

1734
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: and of course Josh Allen. I think it's going to

1735
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 2: be one of the biggest bargains in the NFL.

1736
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: This year last one real quick from Joseph. He says,

1737
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the entire defensive secondary. The

1738
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: amount of athleticism and youth that is now on the

1739
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: team will transform this unit from a top ten defense

1740
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: to a top three overall and number one in takeaway.

1741
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 2: They've been so good with takeaways in the entire Sean mcdery.

1742
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 1: We thought under Leslie Frasier, I said it a ton.

1743
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: They were very solid, solid as a rock defensively under

1744
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier, but they were very rarely spectacular under Sean McDermott.

1745
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: They weren't quite as highly rated overall, but they were

1746
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: spectacular once in a while.

1747
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 2: And they took the ball away. They had a bunch

1748
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: of injuries on that side of the ball. The job

1749
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: that he did, and now we have Bobby babbitche moving

1750
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: into that defensive coordinator rod for the Bills would be

1751
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 2: really interesting to see if that aggression can stay very

1752
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 2: intense like it was.

1753
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: Less There's a lot of questions to be answered, but

1754
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of fun. Training Camp's gonna

1755
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: get underwagh in about fifty days or one hundred days

1756
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. So we'll see tomorrow. Maddi glabs

1757
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: in for me tomorrow. Be Chris and Maddie Tomorrow. We'll

1758
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: see you then back at one o'clock. Thanks for listening

1759
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 1: to One Bill's Live. We'll see it tomorrow