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Speaker 1: When we started this show, we wanted to big up
Speaker 1: people who are legend in this game and people who
Speaker 1: are groundbreakers. When we talk about this man right now,
Speaker 1: this man has broke the mold when it came to
Speaker 1: being entrepreneur. Rather than just lowering it's just drug dealing.
Speaker 1: He has took himself from nothing. I believe he started
Speaker 1: operation from three hundred dollars and the man made close
Speaker 1: to a billion dollars in the age. The man has
Speaker 1: since his time, he's still here doing what he gotta do,
Speaker 1: saying in pride, you know, have his children, uh to
Speaker 1: the tests of times and was a part of the
Speaker 1: c I A contra controversy and he's still alive, still
Speaker 1: here to prove it. I was watching the documentary knowing documentaries,
Speaker 1: knowing I'm gonna see him today. Is still scared of this.
Speaker 1: She's like, Oh, I think they're gonna kill him, like
Speaker 1: from back then, from back there, like you know the
Speaker 1: city that he enough Like if you don't know what
Speaker 1: we're talking to, we're talking about. We're talking about the legendary,
Speaker 1: the motherfucking monumentum freeway. Rick not one of the one
Speaker 1: of the one of the curious things that Mr Leak
Speaker 1: he posted the Champagne Police. Don't make it salid a gunshot,
Speaker 1: a lot of tangs in here. We don't like it.
Speaker 1: Don't like that. So one of the one of the
Speaker 1: crazy things was you wasn't born in South central n
Speaker 1: You're actually born in Texas. But it was was five
Speaker 1: years old. We moved about four okay, maybe right right
Speaker 1: right before five okay. Because you know why it was
Speaker 1: funny because you're demeanor with sometimes when I see you,
Speaker 1: when I look at you. You You mind me of a
Speaker 1: little jack, And that's why I thought maybe, like you know,
Speaker 1: like it just did to me. You know man that
Speaker 1: you know we come from the same area. You know,
Speaker 1: he from Houston. I'm from Tyland, right right, right right,
Speaker 1: So so goddamn, I don't know where the start. I
Speaker 1: told you to stop that. So first of all, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know, but the drink chance, this
Speaker 1: is a place where we pick up our legends. We
Speaker 1: want to get on their flowers. Now. So many people
Speaker 1: when people passed away, they want to say how great
Speaker 1: they were, and you know, the bitch very and the people.
Speaker 1: The people get up there and say how holyer than
Speaker 1: now and how much this guy changed to later at
Speaker 1: this point, we want to give people their flowers now.
Speaker 1: One of the craziest things in the world. And I
Speaker 1: knew we got Dominican hit, but I had always start
Speaker 1: a Dominican invented crack that Washington stories to the out
Speaker 1: side of the s is they they got the wild cowboys, right,
Speaker 1: the wild Cowboys. No, no, no, But you know what,
Speaker 1: after your story comes out, then the story is fixed.
Speaker 1: But I always had grew up thinking that a Dominican
Speaker 1: kid from Washington Heights was playing with cocaine and just
Speaker 1: invented crack. Can you tell me my child hold sucked
Speaker 1: up because I was wrong? Can tell me first to
Speaker 1: my face, you can tell me you can't give a glass.
Speaker 1: Let's take it from there. Yeah, well I didn't invent crack, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: when I'm credit for its being the first crack you
Speaker 1: in the now. When I started, there was guys in
Speaker 1: the street that was already cooking up very few though, right, Um,
Speaker 1: I got it from them. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And was the base first? Because base was like it
Speaker 1: was free base, right, freebasing was it was a real complex.
Speaker 1: This whole table would be full of chemicals when I
Speaker 1: first started, it was real complicated. Ether that's what Richard
Speaker 1: Prod got burned up. The Richard burned up. He was base.
Speaker 1: It was flatable, a lot of hazardous equipment. And then uh,
Speaker 1: one day when the homies came and he said, man,
Speaker 1: it's better when you use baking soda and U since
Speaker 1: sounds healthier for something. That's from how we uh got
Speaker 1: the recipe? Right now? Who invented it? I really know
Speaker 1: you know the story? Ben? So Now when I'm watching
Speaker 1: what was it, Cracks in the System, that's my documentary,
Speaker 1: don't watching it. I forget who said, I don't forget.
Speaker 1: It was the c I A or Cia guy, or
Speaker 1: was the newspaper guy. And he said that when he
Speaker 1: when he further looked at it, it really wasn't like
Speaker 1: it was racism. It wasn't really really like they was
Speaker 1: just trying to kill black They was trying to um
Speaker 1: get whoever blocks Michael vena agent who worked over in Colombia, Peru. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he was based out of New York. So that's
Speaker 1: who that was. And he said that he's one of
Speaker 1: the first ones to see it, uh, even before it
Speaker 1: got to the US at that time, talking about yeah,
Speaker 1: it was paced. Yeah, and he knew that once it
Speaker 1: got over here that it was gonna have a devastating effect,
Speaker 1: but he didn't know where it was gonna have a
Speaker 1: devastating effect. Because when he's trying to say, it's like
Speaker 1: you're saying it was more political, Yeah, because it's racial.
Speaker 1: I had always I had always heard here on the controst. Again,
Speaker 1: nobody really know about the racist thing that that that happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's far just say, you know, did the
Speaker 1: government and liberally put it in the community for blacks. Uh,
Speaker 1: that it was affecting certain neighborhoods at some point and
Speaker 1: let it keep going. Well, I've always heard um me
Speaker 1: growing up thinking I had always heard me growing up
Speaker 1: that it was actually invented for the black panthers to
Speaker 1: destroy them, like like, you know, get a couple of
Speaker 1: people again, I'm getting the East Coast. I'm play one
Speaker 1: years old, so I'm I'm a lot you know what
Speaker 1: i mean, younger than what's happening, but I'm old enough
Speaker 1: to almost understand. So that's what I used to hear.
Speaker 1: What one of the things, you know, the black leaders
Speaker 1: always said that the government was bringing drugs into the country,
Speaker 1: right fact, Uh, Elijah Mohammed Malcolm x us No, No,
Speaker 1: they always said that it was a government that they
Speaker 1: were exactly. I mean, what what wind up happening with
Speaker 1: with with my situation is that it brought all of
Speaker 1: this for a front of the future and they had
Speaker 1: actual evidence for the first time where they could tie
Speaker 1: a government operative directly with a street dug. Right now,
Speaker 1: when you were doing it, did you know the level
Speaker 1: you would at because you were the first one, so
Speaker 1: so like you all black Pablo basketball, So how like, well,
Speaker 1: you know you gotta you gotta look at it like
Speaker 1: this here. I was nineteen when I started. Damn, uh
Speaker 1: couldn't read, couldn't write. Then watch the news, uh All,
Speaker 1: I saw what the big homies was trying to do,
Speaker 1: and I saw what they was making their mistakes. I
Speaker 1: went in and corrected their mistakes and made basically my
Speaker 1: own form of of getting down. I had no clue
Speaker 1: about the war, Nigga Rockwood, where my man was. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't ask my man where you live, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's just something you just don't do
Speaker 1: that in the game. You know, Like if he wants
Speaker 1: you to know where he lived, he gonna take you
Speaker 1: to his house exactly. You know what I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: he don't want you over his house around his wife
Speaker 1: and his kids, you don't go around his wife a kid.
Speaker 1: That's just how the game was. So I never really
Speaker 1: questioned how the whole thing was was was lined up. Now.
Speaker 1: He had mentioned to me before, Uh, we're fighting a
Speaker 1: war in my country and we gotta win to get
Speaker 1: out property iman back. So I understood that because I
Speaker 1: was fighting from my land. When when you think he's
Speaker 1: saying that, you're thinking, you're not thinking soldiers at military,
Speaker 1: You're thinking thinking blessing cricks. Yeah, I would think that's
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. He had right, he's done with
Speaker 1: the Santhinisas and all that stuff like. Correct, he's in
Speaker 1: the Contract Dealing Act, fighting against the Sandinisas. I don't
Speaker 1: know nothing about the Sandinistas, I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: knew it was all covert ship going on. It was,
Speaker 1: but it was people in the country that knew that
Speaker 1: there was a war going on in Nicaragua, that America
Speaker 1: was fighting this war, and uh, that the contract had
Speaker 1: lost the war basically and they had to be pushed
Speaker 1: into the US. Uh. They also knew that these guys
Speaker 1: still wanted to win this war, and that these guys
Speaker 1: that start selling drugs. I mean, the CIA admitted that
Speaker 1: in their report that eventually they became aware that these
Speaker 1: guys weren't just fighting the war over there with the
Speaker 1: money that they had got from the government, but they
Speaker 1: had took this money. Uh, my informant who was also
Speaker 1: my drug supplier, when he testified what's his name, you
Speaker 1: didn't know any of that, that he was any of
Speaker 1: that government was oh no, no, no, no, no no, no.
Speaker 1: I thought. I mean, you know, when when you're growing
Speaker 1: up in South Central we have a dislike for the police,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I didn't send on the curb
Speaker 1: when I was four fifteen years old, you know, getting
Speaker 1: the curve sho down, don't move, put your bike right there.
Speaker 1: You know, all y'all shitting on the curb. Don't nobody move.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run everybody. We're gonna make sure these bikes
Speaker 1: ain't still. So we already had a dislike for the police,
Speaker 1: distrust for the police. So, uh, it was no way
Speaker 1: that we would have been informed that this operation was
Speaker 1: going on. You know, this had to be something where
Speaker 1: you was politically uh connected to really being a loop
Speaker 1: on this. And like one of the first time the
Speaker 1: police chase you, they shot at you, like a few times.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like put your hands up, it was like,
Speaker 1: let's kill them a few times. Well, you know, you
Speaker 1: know I got so big and I was able to
Speaker 1: outmaneuver the cops. You know, they couldn't figure out why
Speaker 1: they couldn't catch me with no drugs, you know, why
Speaker 1: would they would raide my houses? And it would never
Speaker 1: be drugs in my houses. So they got mad. You
Speaker 1: couldn't live with Instagram, ball cameras, cameras. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely correct, because back then we could hide more. You know,
Speaker 1: pody didn't know how you. Nobody knew how you love.
Speaker 1: They don't know how you dress. You know, they're looking
Speaker 1: for this guy driving around and you didn't have a
Speaker 1: police record back then. No, I didn't have a continue
Speaker 1: This is crazy. So they didn't know. All they knew
Speaker 1: was Freeway Rick. You know, they don't know my full name,
Speaker 1: they don't know my address, they don't know who my
Speaker 1: girlfriend is. They don't know really nothing about me. The
Speaker 1: only thing that they know the first time that that
Speaker 1: that I got tipped about them about this this task
Speaker 1: force is uh, my gardener had had had came in
Speaker 1: the house one day and he was like, man, hold on,
Speaker 1: let's make some lords for you. Having a gardener back
Speaker 1: of the day is just getting gardeners in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Right now, I mean the task force is not it's
Speaker 1: prior to d A. They're prior to d They just
Speaker 1: with what they did with the task force is City
Speaker 1: Hall had a meeting and they say that people in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood kept bragging about this young guy, freeway Rick,
Speaker 1: who's having all this money. So city council did it.
Speaker 1: They had a meeting and they took five of the
Speaker 1: toughest police stations in Los Angeles and put them together
Speaker 1: and they called him the Freeway Task Force. These cops
Speaker 1: job was to bring me down. Um along the way,
Speaker 1: they started stealing money, robbing people, forging search warrants. I mean,
Speaker 1: they was some of the biggest crooks that you ever
Speaker 1: want to see. So um My Gardener was the first
Speaker 1: one that tipped me off to the Freeway Task Force.
Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing about him, so he tipped me off,
Speaker 1: and Uh that started a whole another Uh what do
Speaker 1: he said, he's seen police coming around or something? No,
Speaker 1: he have. He brought me a newspaper article. It was
Speaker 1: in the newspaper. The city council had had this meeting
Speaker 1: and and so I didn't read the newspaper, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have never called it. But he brought it to
Speaker 1: my attention that it was in the newspaper and they
Speaker 1: had one of my houses inside the paper, where this
Speaker 1: informant that they had called was talking about. My house
Speaker 1: was protected by the police. He said that every time
Speaker 1: he came over to Robb the house that it's always
Speaker 1: police in the area to protect the house. Now, I
Speaker 1: never saw that, you know, you're not. So that was
Speaker 1: my first time becoming aware of them. They had never
Speaker 1: raided none of my houses. At that time, I had
Speaker 1: no no police contact. I mean, we was like just
Speaker 1: running free and wild. You know, we at this particular house.
Speaker 1: This is where our race cars. We didn't we didn't
Speaker 1: even have dope at that house. That was like our
Speaker 1: house where we kept our race cars. You know, we
Speaker 1: had top fuel cars and in approached our race cars
Speaker 1: and bikes and on the side was on the side
Speaker 1: of the freeway like we always stayed. You know, that's
Speaker 1: where I got the name from. Um. That was like
Speaker 1: our drag strip. So we just clowned and partied and
Speaker 1: you know, had mad sound equipment and barbecue and every
Speaker 1: day and people would just be coming in and crips
Speaker 1: and bloods and you know, more like a meeting spot. No,
Speaker 1: no dope wouldn't be there and if they ready to house,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna find no dope. Um. But we found
Speaker 1: out that they were watching that house. So that was
Speaker 1: the first time that we became aware of the Freeway
Speaker 1: Task Force. Not not only you, like, um, you were
Speaker 1: like the first person that at least back then, because
Speaker 1: we thought the Bloods and Crypts were really killing each other,
Speaker 1: like they couldn't be in the same vicinity. It was.
Speaker 1: I remember, that's the first time I heard that there
Speaker 1: was a guy that dealt with the Bloods. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what what happened is is what I found out,
Speaker 1: and a lot of my guys find out that when
Speaker 1: it came to money, guys will put their differences down.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's very rarely that that that happened.
Speaker 1: But um, it started to be where crips was selling
Speaker 1: on blood streets and Bloods were setting on crypt streets,
Speaker 1: where they were more corporation than than than than the
Speaker 1: world knew about. And it was just about making money.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're making money, you having fun. Do
Speaker 1: nobody want no killing and no shooting because it's gonna
Speaker 1: bring the cops in. So um, that was the first
Speaker 1: time that, uh that I had seen since the beginning. Uh,
Speaker 1: I reven want the Bloods and crypt Us play football
Speaker 1: against each other. It was like this neighborhood against that neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And they would come. And one day we were at
Speaker 1: the beach. We broughe our bikes to the beach. When
Speaker 1: we got back behind beach, uh d is the one
Speaker 1: right by the house, the closest to the house, about
Speaker 1: five miles from where we grew up. So when we
Speaker 1: got back, we see the tape all taped off and
Speaker 1: the police is there. Well, one of the crips had
Speaker 1: killed one of the main bloods and that started the
Speaker 1: first clash UH in our area, which the crypts started
Speaker 1: in our area. I thought Raymond Washington was a jacket
Speaker 1: or summer that was something that happened prior to that,
Speaker 1: uh at the Palladium or something that may have been
Speaker 1: later on down the line. Yeah, this was after h
Speaker 1: This was like when when the crips had first organized.
Speaker 1: Yeah this seventy maybe like seventy eight, seventy nine ish
Speaker 1: something like that there. Um, But how did you avoid
Speaker 1: um like being able to deal with both? Well, when
Speaker 1: I was young, I wanted to be a crip. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was die hard on being a crip. Uh.
Speaker 1: But my mom was one of the ones that you know,
Speaker 1: you don't play with my mom and she didn't. She
Speaker 1: didn't whoop you, she beat you. My mom takes the
Speaker 1: telephone car, didn't whoop the belt switch? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna break that belt. You're gonna break that switch
Speaker 1: to my mom will get the Stenson car. And uh
Speaker 1: when you went to school the next day, you had
Speaker 1: web marks on you high and then you don't want
Speaker 1: nobody to see you. So moms weren't having it. Um.
Speaker 1: So when I got twelve, I started playing tennis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I did. I did at the Ash came down
Speaker 1: to our school, uh high school. I was. I was
Speaker 1: good enough to go to one of the best black
Speaker 1: tennis teams high school tennis teams, and in l A
Speaker 1: and Arthur Ash came out and gave everybody on the
Speaker 1: team awards and and played with like four the top guys. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did get the meat Ash. One time, I would
Speaker 1: think neighborhood kids will try to take your rackets from
Speaker 1: your song tennis racket. What now you said, you little
Speaker 1: figure role right now? Figure that's oh that's the bag
Speaker 1: because that was a part of the figure or South
Speaker 1: Central sent you. Okay, who I always thought figure roys
Speaker 1: where the Prosser teams were Okay, I always thought that
Speaker 1: for some reason reading Donald Goings books or forget what
Speaker 1: author I've read, Figure Roller, I always thought it was
Speaker 1: in the big area when Figure Roy is one of
Speaker 1: the main UH through ways in Los Angeles, it's like
Speaker 1: maybe the second or third biggest street in in l A.
Speaker 1: And then Figure World runs side by side with the
Speaker 1: One Team Freeway. They separate each other, and my house
Speaker 1: set right in between Figure Role and the One Team three.
Speaker 1: So that's where Freeway. That's where Freeway came in there. Now,
Speaker 1: did you hold on before I get to the rap shot,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to the just still up
Speaker 1: the drop skid. You got something going in my notes,
Speaker 1: I mean it goes beyond you helped Denzel Washington. That
Speaker 1: was that was HARRYO. Harris. Michael Harris did that. You
Speaker 1: didn't need the Baker, But I didn't even using a
Speaker 1: part none of that you. I mean, And Harry was
Speaker 1: we was we was cool, you know, we was potting this.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't a part of him with his with
Speaker 1: his play checkmate. We were we were kind of like
Speaker 1: almost like uh, kind of like rivals but not really rivals,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Uh, Because he claimed, Uh,
Speaker 1: I set actually right. I think he was blood. I
Speaker 1: think he grew up with the blood. But then he
Speaker 1: you know, he ran with the sixties too. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know when when when you become a
Speaker 1: certain statish in the in the game, you have have
Speaker 1: to transcend past that gang banging you know what hoo
Speaker 1: did you from? What set you from? Uh? Even like
Speaker 1: with me, I didn't gang bang, but my neighborhood is Hoover,
Speaker 1: and everybody considers me even as jail, the Hoovers told
Speaker 1: everybody I was Hoover, even though I say no, I
Speaker 1: ain't Hoover. I say no, you Hoover. So it's still
Speaker 1: hard to transcend that. But I still deal with the sixties,
Speaker 1: which was Hooverish number one enemy. That's my next question.
Speaker 1: How you think you were saying that? But well, you know,
Speaker 1: you just have to be bigger than than than the situation,
Speaker 1: and and a lot of times you have to make
Speaker 1: up your own mind. Like me and Big You, you
Speaker 1: know we men, Big You like that Big up for
Speaker 1: you were about to get get him in this game.
Speaker 1: Bring yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my man. Big You doing
Speaker 1: some big things out there too, you know, um, but men,
Speaker 1: Big Ben Partner's uh Pete Whack who Who's I don't
Speaker 1: know how much time Whack doing right now. He might
Speaker 1: be doing about forty years. But he's one of the
Speaker 1: founders of the sixties and we've always been cool. So
Speaker 1: I was able to transcend the neighborhood politics. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't allow the politics to dictate which direction I
Speaker 1: was going to. You know why, you're a strong minded
Speaker 1: person because me being from the East Coast and not
Speaker 1: seeing the blood and I see in the crypt when
Speaker 1: I seen it on television, I automatically was gravitated towards
Speaker 1: that life, like I automatically wanted to study it, automatically
Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of it. So when you'll
Speaker 1: be involved and be able to say, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be, that's probably like the most disciplined plenary
Speaker 1: and type of ship I've ever heard, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm sa And you know, us as blacks, we don't
Speaker 1: have much that we can be a part of, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So that when I was coming
Speaker 1: up to see the cameravity with the Cripts and the Bloods,
Speaker 1: you know what I knew been putting to the founder
Speaker 1: of the Blood. That was my man be putting up.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, right before he died, I was trying
Speaker 1: to get big putting to write a book. I was
Speaker 1: still locked up. Yeah, I talked to you too, I
Speaker 1: believe when I was locked up. I don't know as
Speaker 1: soon as you got you just got out of print.
Speaker 1: Windy Day. But Wendy Day, Okay, I was not throw
Speaker 1: out on the phone. Told I talked to you through
Speaker 1: um what's my homeboy from the Jungles? Uh? Yeah, many,
Speaker 1: I think Windy it was really okay okay, because she
Speaker 1: was telling me about when he was getting out. You know, Wendy.
Speaker 1: You know Wendy Day, help everybody. Ye, yes, you in jail,
Speaker 1: Winy Day, and you got a reputation when Day big
Speaker 1: up the Windy Day. That's absolutely and that's my girl.
Speaker 1: Let me hit you with this this this, this word,
Speaker 1: because this messed me up. Continuous criminal spree. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the words that got me out. I still don't understand,
Speaker 1: like like when you said that the difference. You can't
Speaker 1: understand the difference between okay, career criminal okay, and a
Speaker 1: continuous criminal spree. A career criminal is somebody who commits
Speaker 1: a crime, go to jail and it does it again,
Speaker 1: get out and then do it again. A continuous criminal
Speaker 1: spree is meaning that you're committing crime over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over, but you
Speaker 1: have been arrested. So it's a continuous criminal spree. But
Speaker 1: I don't know the difference. Sounds good, okay, So one
Speaker 1: means so continuous spree means you're doing it, doing it
Speaker 1: without getting caught, right, So if you uninterrupted, okay, that's
Speaker 1: a spree. So that's how you'd be your case. Because
Speaker 1: they said that you had the three strike law, because
Speaker 1: they used that as they said that my case was
Speaker 1: a three strike. I was a three striker even though
Speaker 1: I don't eve been in jail one time. So I
Speaker 1: figured out that what I was doing was a continuous
Speaker 1: criminal even though it was in different states. See, they
Speaker 1: thought because I was setting open Texas and Cincinnati and
Speaker 1: Louisiana and St. Louis that all of those was different arrests. Right.
Speaker 1: But what I tried to have to get them to
Speaker 1: understand is that it was a continuous criminal spree that
Speaker 1: was uninterrupted and in order to be a career criminal,
Speaker 1: you have to be brought to your senses. See, and
Speaker 1: you're not a continued uh career criminal if you're not
Speaker 1: brought to your senses. If nobody ef yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I got, I got my public defender. You know, he's
Speaker 1: working with me and he's writing everything up. But this
Speaker 1: as you reading yourself, I still can't right there. Well,
Speaker 1: you know I couldn't write the briefs and none of that,
Speaker 1: but I know what I wanted my brief You know,
Speaker 1: I read, so you read. I read the books to
Speaker 1: know what the briefs supposed to say and and and uh,
Speaker 1: like I said, I was. I was in the books
Speaker 1: all day. I started too. When you came across those words,
Speaker 1: you understood those words immediately, absolutely absolutely, because like I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, but it's still complicated, like what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Oh, no question. The judge didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: She didn't understand you. She just didn't understand my prosecute.
Speaker 1: My lawyer didn't. I paid that dude a lot of
Speaker 1: money due the dude who did my peel. The dud
Speaker 1: who did my peel wasn't in love the judge, the
Speaker 1: guardian who went to trial with me. My trial lawyer said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: that little money you got left, put it on your books.
Speaker 1: Keep that because you're gonna need it. You got a
Speaker 1: lot of time to do. In fact, I had to
Speaker 1: go with another dude who hadn't even talked to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying before, So I had to
Speaker 1: get him to understand what I was saying too, because
Speaker 1: he didn't really understand it either. They was all more
Speaker 1: can serned about crossing state lines. So you're saying, if
Speaker 1: you got caught twice, the nick could have proved that
Speaker 1: you was, it would have been a correct convicted twice.
Speaker 1: You could have you got caught more than twice, but convicted, right.
Speaker 1: And I've been convicted twice. But it was the same
Speaker 1: criminal spree I went to. I went to Texas and
Speaker 1: I said, I'm guilty. I went to Cincinnati, I'm guilty, Louis,
Speaker 1: I'm guilty. But it was still I never got out
Speaker 1: of handcuffs. See, they took me from one state to
Speaker 1: the next day to the next day. I was never
Speaker 1: bout the handcuffs. I was always like this here everywhere
Speaker 1: I went. It wasn't like I got out and I'm friend,
Speaker 1: and then I started slinging again and got caught. It
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, you've been in this state this day.
Speaker 1: Then we all been looking for you. So when they
Speaker 1: got me, everybody want a piece of me. Wow. So
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you something that's a little
Speaker 1: off subing, but it's on subject right. How could every
Speaker 1: movie or every every like ending to something always says
Speaker 1: this is the last one, like this is the last
Speaker 1: And when I'm watching your document should be you're saying
Speaker 1: you're out, you came home, you build a community setting.
Speaker 1: It's hard, man, It's hard not to go back, you know,
Speaker 1: to the whale. You know, when everything's get tough and uh,
Speaker 1: you have a tendency to go back to your habits.
Speaker 1: You know. Like a person who started trying to stop
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes and his wife started acting up. He picked
Speaker 1: up a cigarette. You know what I'm saying, something go wrong.
Speaker 1: He picked up a cigarette. So with me, my crutch
Speaker 1: had become selling cocaine. Cocaine made everything better for me,
Speaker 1: no matter what was going on. I could go sales
Speaker 1: from cocaine and get it up right, acting up, I
Speaker 1: gonna make some money now she felt good. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, uh, so so so we have a
Speaker 1: tendency to go back to crutches, and cocaine have become
Speaker 1: for me a crutch because one of my how we
Speaker 1: were so poor. Right, let me tell you I was
Speaker 1: the first time when I got to jail, I run
Speaker 1: across the dude I went to junior high school with
Speaker 1: right and uh when we run into each other with man,
Speaker 1: you Joseph Petrie and he's like Rick. Man, He's like,
Speaker 1: and I heard about you, but I didn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I was like, what you mean? He I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: you made that kind of money. I said, why not?
Speaker 1: He said, Man, you was a poor dude in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: He said, I remember when used to take tennis shoes,
Speaker 1: tennis balls to your tennis shoes to keep your feet
Speaker 1: from being on the ground. And you and your brothers
Speaker 1: U should change pens with the same pants every day.
Speaker 1: We all knew y'all was running each other's so so
Speaker 1: to to too come from there to wonder where I
Speaker 1: wound up. Money had become my escape. You know, that
Speaker 1: was like everything that I wanted. I didn't want nothing else.
Speaker 1: I wanted to to to fix my mama. Floors. I
Speaker 1: wanted to put windows in her house. I want a
Speaker 1: new carpet in her house. I wanted to have a
Speaker 1: new kitchen. Uh, to do the things that I felt
Speaker 1: would make her life the way I thought that should be.
Speaker 1: You know, this is my mama, that's how she should
Speaker 1: be living. And uh, that was my goal. And then
Speaker 1: nothing else really matter, and um let's make some looksture.
Speaker 1: I got that. That's real ship. That's a real ship,
Speaker 1: like you know, Uh no, no, we'll do a little
Speaker 1: bit more than them. To come back to that. I
Speaker 1: got so much going on in my head. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got so much to a very interesting guy, like and
Speaker 1: I think about it, let's getting more in the resting up.
Speaker 1: And I think about it as this. A lot of
Speaker 1: people would have been in your position and came home
Speaker 1: and did it again. Well you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: did it that second time time. You know, I did
Speaker 1: the food that second time when you as famous that
Speaker 1: second time or like you know what I'm saying in
Speaker 1: the streets, I was like the dog boys knew me.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's almost like right now, you know, like
Speaker 1: like uh now you TMZ famous. Don't work around nigga,
Speaker 1: don't work around. Still, it's still it's still when what
Speaker 1: I what I know about my my famousness because I study,
Speaker 1: I study everything that I do. I study. Um, the
Speaker 1: people who like me usually dough boys first of course,
Speaker 1: next hustlers, hero and athletes. So it's really a male
Speaker 1: base of guys who are trying to get money or
Speaker 1: who like money, either one both of those already the same.
Speaker 1: You can't separate the two. That's my fan base. Those
Speaker 1: are the people who who bought my book, you know,
Speaker 1: like it was guys in the street brought my books.
Speaker 1: And man, I can't even read Rick, but fuck it.
Speaker 1: You know, I learn so much from you from the
Speaker 1: videos and when you went to trial, and I used
Speaker 1: that ship right now, So uh, I understand who support
Speaker 1: me and who who who liked me? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I also know that those the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who run the streets, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: why I can feel comfortable by going to any city
Speaker 1: in this country and don't have no problems because the
Speaker 1: dudes who run them streets funk with me. Well, you was,
Speaker 1: you was the literally the first co king kingpin. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, because you know we got we got young
Speaker 1: basketball here. We're gonna bring him in. Um. But have
Speaker 1: you ever have you ever ran into other than the
Speaker 1: nicka rockingans? Have you ever been like Colombians or like
Speaker 1: anybody other than that level? Because I imagine you they
Speaker 1: ain't had to be ringing bells with all the cartoon.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I should come down here, you
Speaker 1: know with the Nigger Rock. This is the where they
Speaker 1: had their meetings that with uh. This is where the
Speaker 1: Colombians and the Nigga Rock was just meet right here
Speaker 1: in Miami. I was coming to Miami two you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: They would make me come in and come to the
Speaker 1: meetings and sit down and tell them what we could do.
Speaker 1: You know how many kids we could move. I remember
Speaker 1: the first time I came down here, man, and it's
Speaker 1: in the book too, and UH and they had me.
Speaker 1: I brought all my money down me. I brought like
Speaker 1: six hundred thousand, six fifty. That was every time of
Speaker 1: the plane. Yeah, we flew in on the pane with
Speaker 1: my boys. We flew in on the planes. We went
Speaker 1: to UH, I think we went to us. We went
Speaker 1: to Jackson because we didn't want to come into Miami
Speaker 1: with Miami Jackson, Jacksonville. Yeah, we went to Jackson and
Speaker 1: we took a round. We drove down so we do
Speaker 1: the deal. I bought a doll and when we finished
Speaker 1: doing the deal, we had fire hollars, no car, no
Speaker 1: plane tickets, and no money at home. So we're sitting
Speaker 1: in a hotel room with twenty bricks and we like,
Speaker 1: I was gonna get this ship on your drivers. Like,
Speaker 1: so we buy, we buy, Uh, we buy suburban. We
Speaker 1: bought old subourban. I think we paid like twelve hundred
Speaker 1: dollars for it. Man, and uh, we're rolling back. We
Speaker 1: stopped in Georgia. We rest in Georgia, but this country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we drove all the way back to l A. Listen,
Speaker 1: I blow the motherfucking car up in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I'm
Speaker 1: following the diesel truck. It's raining like a motherfucker, right,
Speaker 1: but we're seen to be rich. I'm going to be rich.
Speaker 1: So we're rolling. It's about eleven o'clock at night. My
Speaker 1: boys asleep. I hear him. I said, man, the truck ticking.
Speaker 1: They said, what we told you, don't drive this motherfucker
Speaker 1: too fast. I'm trying to get home. So well, just
Speaker 1: like and this blew up right right on the side
Speaker 1: of the highway. So yeah, we call over. We grabbed
Speaker 1: the bricks out there, back the suitcase, throw them in
Speaker 1: some bushes, called the toad truck to come get us.
Speaker 1: Told truck come get us. Now we're in Tennessee. We
Speaker 1: got like three fifty dollars, no driver license, no more money,
Speaker 1: and nobody to call. So twenty bricks, twenty bricks. The
Speaker 1: toad truck take us with the twenty bricks because we
Speaker 1: throw the bricks back in the car. Once the toad
Speaker 1: truck cook up, we're fend the road. So he takes
Speaker 1: us to a junkyard. Oh white dude, Man, I never
Speaker 1: forget this dude. Dude, coolest motherfucking New World. Man. I
Speaker 1: love that dude. I wouldn't have made it without him. Man,
Speaker 1: that that favorite he did for us helped us out
Speaker 1: a lot. So we did. He's like, man, it's something
Speaker 1: funny about you dudes. Man, none y'all got driver license,
Speaker 1: y'all can't get a rim car. What's going on with y'all?
Speaker 1: So we got the bricks in the back of the
Speaker 1: car that broke down. So he said, you know what,
Speaker 1: you see that old truck over there. It was a
Speaker 1: little small forward you all truck a little little bit
Speaker 1: one and he said, uh, y'all give me three hundred
Speaker 1: of hollars and uh man, we took that. We got
Speaker 1: to Vegas. We drove with all the way across country.
Speaker 1: My boys was big too. Man, there's about six too,
Speaker 1: so his legs is all over and we're sticking. It
Speaker 1: was the stick shifts. We're hitting each other. But we
Speaker 1: got to Vegas, man, and the boys came and picked
Speaker 1: us up, and we was like, man, we are. So
Speaker 1: we took that and that was our first time hitting
Speaker 1: a million dollars after we dumped that. Now, let me
Speaker 1: ask you something. Was the cocaine cheaper in Miami or
Speaker 1: at that time it was. That's the reason why, because
Speaker 1: because that's where we always heard like colways coming to cheap.
Speaker 1: Though back then it's like forty five thousand of keybows,
Speaker 1: But in l A it was like two d was
Speaker 1: cheaper for that sunder. Just because I'm from New York,
Speaker 1: so I need to know I'm she wasn't New York.
Speaker 1: We wasn't even going to New York, New York. Then
Speaker 1: when started going to New York to like eighty five Jesus.
Speaker 1: So everybody from Miami was bawling. Yeah, and Miami was
Speaker 1: Miami was a place, you know, that was the word.
Speaker 1: It was a port entry at that time. You know,
Speaker 1: the columedies was coming here. That wasn't before the columedy
Speaker 1: start coming in to to l A. You know, once they
Speaker 1: found out that l A was a bigger market. I
Speaker 1: guess then they started pointing in the l A. And
Speaker 1: uh that's when the price you know, the price war
Speaker 1: started because like I said, when we first first kilo
Speaker 1: we bought, we paid like forty five forty seven four
Speaker 1: but ounces, you know, we should pay thirty three seven thousand,
Speaker 1: forty seven thousand po kilo, but ounces we should pay
Speaker 1: the first ounce I brought up pay thirty two two
Speaker 1: d two hundred ounces of cocaine, and so I had
Speaker 1: to break it down and make gold and make like
Speaker 1: nine thousands all for one ounce. O what's my man?
Speaker 1: You said you gave him? He he read up with
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred. He gave him two ounces and he sold
Speaker 1: it out on that what's his name? He's a coach now, Uh,
Speaker 1: you're talking about coach Ward or you're talking about Han Cho. Uh,
Speaker 1: probably I think you're talking about Hancho. Know well he
Speaker 1: said he sold it out the same day. Oh you
Speaker 1: talk about coach Ward. Coach Ward? Coach Ward? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what coach was? He was a little football player, you know.
Speaker 1: And those are kind of guys that I you should
Speaker 1: look for, you know, I should look for it for
Speaker 1: dudes that was discipline. Hit me up. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: you coming for you right now. But look at that person.
Speaker 1: It's my birthday. We're gonna celebrate. Why didn't nobody telling
Speaker 1: us his birthday? I don't already celebrate that ship no
Speaker 1: way thought? Yeah yeah, coach Ward, he was a young dude,
Speaker 1: you know, and those are the dudes I should look for. Man,
Speaker 1: good dudes, you know, ain't getting high? U trustworthy? You
Speaker 1: know you can give him something that a rule in
Speaker 1: your crew, don't get high. Because I noticed that. I
Speaker 1: tried to try to implement that. But you know, dudes
Speaker 1: don't listen. They'd rather be high and have money. And
Speaker 1: that's my next book. Whatever I did you ever around?
Speaker 1: Did you ever try I tried to go about a week,
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks a week? Now, what did you try
Speaker 1: to dry cold? I went hard because all realness back then,
Speaker 1: cocaine was looked at like the rich man. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I wasn't getting I wasn't using it because
Speaker 1: well I was too. But let me say this here.
Speaker 1: How the reason I didn't use because when I first
Speaker 1: got involved, if the homies all told me like, if
Speaker 1: you don't get high, you're gonna get rich, little motherfucker,
Speaker 1: because I was like considered young. I was nine team,
Speaker 1: but I was like young for the dudes who was
Speaker 1: involved with with with with coke at that time. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean the Graham was three hundred dollars. So the
Speaker 1: only motherfucker's could have for it was like pimps, glorious doctors.
Speaker 1: So motherfucker's like me and under me, they really didn't
Speaker 1: have no money. You know, I have money because I
Speaker 1: have no sense to hang out with the pimps and
Speaker 1: and uh that's how I really became exposed to the
Speaker 1: game from hanging out with them. But at that time, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was so damn expensive that did nobody did.
Speaker 1: Nobody had no money to get that. Could you think
Speaker 1: you could you think the error? And again we're not
Speaker 1: glorifying I pople understanding that this is fact. FU facts
Speaker 1: it's history. You think you think a person could do
Speaker 1: it on your level the way you did it back then,
Speaker 1: Like like you know, you ever ever meet Don Diva
Speaker 1: the FATS magazine. It's hard. It was like, man, this
Speaker 1: this kid might have did it more bigger than me.
Speaker 1: Like it's hard. You know, it's really hard to h
Speaker 1: to duplicate that system. But you know, these kids are
Speaker 1: smarter now, you know what I'm saying. They they learning
Speaker 1: how to manute. Now. I couldn't manuver in this system,
Speaker 1: you know, Monet taking pictures of me. I'd have been
Speaker 1: like hold up, man, you know it's a total different error.
Speaker 1: You know, like now you know, like my nephews come
Speaker 1: and show me the dudes is selling dope on the
Speaker 1: internet and all that. You know, it's crazy. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: but they're doing it right now. So you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how they're doing it, how they's working, you
Speaker 1: know with us, you know, we're here in the shadows,
Speaker 1: you know, when we got down. But it's a different era.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, these kids are gonna figure out
Speaker 1: how to make it work, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that there's somebody out there that's that's
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like Big Meat. Did you know
Speaker 1: Big Meets came up with a formula that worked during
Speaker 1: that time? And I'm sure that there's somebody else right
Speaker 1: now who's figure out how to, uh how to beat
Speaker 1: the system. Now, that's that's funny you bring up Big
Speaker 1: Meets because one of the Big Meech's biggest downfalls. The
Speaker 1: people would say it's it's just flashiness. Yeah, was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember going to a club kid you not.
Speaker 1: It was fourteen of them and they had fourteen Lamborghinis outside.
Speaker 1: I was like, there, no one crived with someone else
Speaker 1: quick I was doing. I didn't leave me to after
Speaker 1: he failed, Okay, yeah, after he failed, you know, Wendy
Speaker 1: hooked us up and she wanted me to uh work
Speaker 1: with him with his case and talk to him and
Speaker 1: men him was writing through Wendy, so, uh, I was
Speaker 1: corresponding with him and he told me what that offer
Speaker 1: when they offered him the deal, and I gave him
Speaker 1: my personal opinion on on the deal. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't think that uh. I didn't think they had any
Speaker 1: issues on winning this case. Uh and and I thought
Speaker 1: that he should take the deal even though it was
Speaker 1: thirty years. You know, I know, dudes that I wish
Speaker 1: they would have took the thirty right now. They didn't
Speaker 1: did thirty and still going because they didn't take the deal.
Speaker 1: So I thought that it was in his best interest
Speaker 1: to take the thirty year deal. But and in in
Speaker 1: in the life that you guys live, it's being flashy
Speaker 1: bad like how like you know, before John Gotti, we
Speaker 1: really we knew of the mafia, but we didn't know
Speaker 1: what about like you know, and I'm coming from Queens
Speaker 1: where he's from. So when y'all guardy start flashing and
Speaker 1: he started actually claiming that character, do you think that
Speaker 1: was bad for business? Like? Absolutely absolutely, my guys, man,
Speaker 1: one of them just got out to man. Little Tommy. Uh.
Speaker 1: Little Tommy was like eighteen years old, he had two
Speaker 1: Rose Royces. Uh. Jermaine Jackson had bought a Ferrari and
Speaker 1: didn't have all the money to get it out. Jamaine Jackson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jermaine Jackson. He had a terrest test Rosen. He had
Speaker 1: the first testar Rosa party in the country. And the
Speaker 1: Testarossa was sitting in there on the showroom floor and
Speaker 1: Little Tommy passed by and saw it, and he walked
Speaker 1: in and he told them, man how much for the testarosa.
Speaker 1: So the man told him the price and they said,
Speaker 1: Tommy gave him ten thousand extra. You know, can tell
Speaker 1: Jermaine to wait till the next one. That's so. And
Speaker 1: then he wrecked that one and everybody was laughing, and
Speaker 1: he went back and bought another one. So, uh when
Speaker 1: when they did this, it tipped the police off to
Speaker 1: what we were doing because uh, for a while, um,
Speaker 1: the police and know what we were doing. Like when
Speaker 1: when you know, I got the sheriffs and died. It
Speaker 1: the cops that was doing all of the stealing and
Speaker 1: okayument yeah, I had to. I had to take care
Speaker 1: of them. Was hurting the hood. They were stealing and robbing.
Speaker 1: There's being robbing and robbing and then with sendail. They
Speaker 1: would rob you and send you to jail. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can go with being robbed, but you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: rob me and put me in jail, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, uh, I had the problem investigator to
Speaker 1: investigate them. I spent a hundred thousand, my lawyer. I
Speaker 1: go see my lawyer. So they're just ready my girlhouse. Right. No,
Speaker 1: you never had no dop my girl house. How I
Speaker 1: know we ain't forgotten no dope in there, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know how you sometimes you know we do.
Speaker 1: We used to keep by doping cars. You know. That's
Speaker 1: how we beat the cops. They didn't understand the car game.
Speaker 1: You know, you go to the trunk in the car,
Speaker 1: moved the car a block or two down the street.
Speaker 1: Never see until you need it. Um, they're never gonna know.
Speaker 1: So we always kept out doping cars. So sometimes we
Speaker 1: will forget. And they had ten fifty keys in the
Speaker 1: trunk of the card the car and open the trunk
Speaker 1: and I know how ship in here. So I'm saying
Speaker 1: when they waide their house and sit, damn, we need
Speaker 1: that ship in there on the hexadent or something. You know.
Speaker 1: Maybe one day we were left it under the state.
Speaker 1: Well cash. If they had said cash, I would have
Speaker 1: said yeah, you know, yeah, you know when they said dope.
Speaker 1: But they said dope. You know this, my girl. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying something like, no, I ain't buying that,
Speaker 1: So I gonna tell my lawyer, right and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I know it won't doping now. He said, oh no,
Speaker 1: you gotta have you had to at least him dough man,
Speaker 1: I ain't lefing to dope in her house. So he said, oh,
Speaker 1: so you're saying that crooked. He arguing with me. I'm
Speaker 1: this motherfucker, right, He argued with me. I said, I said, man,
Speaker 1: weren't no dope in there. So he said, well, do
Speaker 1: you think they croocket get a private investigator? Because I
Speaker 1: never thought about it. I ain't know nothing about no
Speaker 1: private investigator. You know what I'm saying. I ain't never
Speaker 1: been the court. Yeah, So I said, well, man, who
Speaker 1: was a private investigator? So he put me up. I
Speaker 1: had a private investigator. I gat do the hundred grand
Speaker 1: And so dude followed the cops around everywhere. They when
Speaker 1: he went, okay, this is yeah. So he followed them
Speaker 1: around and uh, he started bringing me back to evidence.
Speaker 1: You know, not only from my crew, but they were
Speaker 1: also doing the same thing to other crews. Um eventually
Speaker 1: they had a hundred fifty people that was in prison.
Speaker 1: And when when they finally arrested me and indicted me,
Speaker 1: I hand the investigation over to the prosecutor and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all trying to do, but these
Speaker 1: dudes here then will be your witness. We got too
Speaker 1: much dirt on them, so they let a hundred fifty
Speaker 1: people out of prison. Wow, So they're like sending my
Speaker 1: my notorieties and Big Putting, the founder of the Bloods,
Speaker 1: was one of the guys who who who eventually got out,
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know, you know, Putting was one
Speaker 1: of my guys who he was. He was getting this
Speaker 1: stuff from me. Uh, But I didn't know that the
Speaker 1: cops had set him up until we all sitting in
Speaker 1: there together and he was like, yeah, man, that motherfucker's
Speaker 1: followed me from your house. This is another time where
Speaker 1: the officers start talking about the judge because they had
Speaker 1: the judge on another same case. Yeah, that's the same thing.
Speaker 1: That's the same case. How I knew to be smart
Speaker 1: like that, and I didn't the lawyer put me up.
Speaker 1: But I was just I was just keen to what
Speaker 1: he was saying. You know, when he telled me, he
Speaker 1: telled me that he don't believe they're doing it. This motherfucker.
Speaker 1: He's so smart, you don't believe they're doing it, right,
Speaker 1: You think I'm lying a little. But back then it
Speaker 1: did probably sound crazy because we wouldn't we hadn't hand. No.
Speaker 1: So this this is probably one of the craziest cases
Speaker 1: ever in the history of police force. You know, and
Speaker 1: you know Rampart was offshoot of the Freeway Task Force.
Speaker 1: Remember the Rampart case were the dudes was stealing the
Speaker 1: money and doing all the stuff that came out in
Speaker 1: Let's not training day like based off of that. Training
Speaker 1: day is based off of that, but it was deeper
Speaker 1: in training. That training day didn't even touch the surface.
Speaker 1: You see these cars in my face, all this flashlight
Speaker 1: therapy while I was handcuffed, handcuffed my legs hog time
Speaker 1: the dog. The dog bite me and they hit me
Speaker 1: in the head with flashlight steal flashlights. They got these
Speaker 1: big long ash steel flashlight names cracking you in the head.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go out and then they wake you up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest to this day, l a p D.
Speaker 1: Is still the scariest niggas ever. A lie, I'm legal
Speaker 1: forever and radio l A p D. I'll be looking
Speaker 1: like that. I'll be looking like I don't know why
Speaker 1: I looked all the way, man, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was scarting that most races. Yeah, and they got black
Speaker 1: and white cars. They just they chest rated the shares sheriffs,
Speaker 1: the green cars though no chrifs black and white to
Speaker 1: both boy black and white ones just got chef road
Speaker 1: on it. The riff run the county jails, you know,
Speaker 1: they run the jails. They just got them for having
Speaker 1: uh this coat, this white coat colt speaking body, they
Speaker 1: got coat. I said that these these guys they own
Speaker 1: boat too. They got so they was in jail having
Speaker 1: dudes fighting with each other, uh, just doing all kind
Speaker 1: of insane ship and the fiends just arrested, you know,
Speaker 1: they arrested their head Chaff. He's in jail right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for the same stuff that he was allowing
Speaker 1: this this activity be going on inside of our jails,
Speaker 1: and um, all of that's just continuation of what had
Speaker 1: started back in the eighties. Now in l A. It's
Speaker 1: so like racial, like that's the most racial. Um when
Speaker 1: it comes to streets, it comes to the streets is
Speaker 1: like real rate. Like in business, this Mexicans in the
Speaker 1: same meeting, it's blacks in the same meaning. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to streets of l A, it's it's really segregated.
Speaker 1: Blood absolutely scripts. Then there's Mexicans and then there's Asians.
Speaker 1: You are at the level you was at. Did you
Speaker 1: have to deal with each every game? We already know
Speaker 1: we were estab. I didn't really. I didn't really deal
Speaker 1: with with Mexicans until I went to prison. Okay, when
Speaker 1: I was on the street. Um, the black community was
Speaker 1: so strong then that I didn't really need to come
Speaker 1: outside of that that community. So I was able to
Speaker 1: to to other than getting the drugs. I could stay
Speaker 1: inside of my little comfort zone and and and make
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't if you walk up to me and
Speaker 1: you was white, I what you're talking about? You know
Speaker 1: you wasn't even interested in white cousin He's making a
Speaker 1: was not. I didn't need that because I had the
Speaker 1: cream of the black market. So this feasts, don't go
Speaker 1: forget your thought. But my neighborhood, that was our goal
Speaker 1: was to have like Barney coming from Rego Park to
Speaker 1: come to off like this real nickname party. And we
Speaker 1: used had his white lady named trans Am. She she
Speaker 1: used to come through in a trans Am, but she
Speaker 1: used to come to and buy like a five hunting pack.
Speaker 1: Like you know, to us that I was huge. But
Speaker 1: your goal was that I had the whole community, right
Speaker 1: what what what my guys depending on those you know,
Speaker 1: or they guys who was on the streets setting the fifties.
Speaker 1: And but I had got to a position where I
Speaker 1: wasn't selling less than like twenties, thirties, forties, fifties huntreds,
Speaker 1: you know, so I didn't really need um. You know,
Speaker 1: Barney coming through a five runter trying running one of
Speaker 1: them doing five hundred dollars right, give it to her exactly, exactly,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. You know. I had. I had a guy
Speaker 1: that wrote around with me every day to give our money.
Speaker 1: That was his job. When people walk up to me
Speaker 1: at the gas station, Oh my mon is and give
Speaker 1: me a five hundred, give me three hundred, you know.
Speaker 1: And he was taking him out the one dollar bag
Speaker 1: and he like many pocket put together. Where is that y'all? Do? Man?
Speaker 1: Man you see to fight the other day back back
Speaker 1: here before you go jogging. He just hand out money
Speaker 1: for real. That I mean, you got on some man
Speaker 1: back this don't know. He was robbing for real. He
Speaker 1: was selling coking giving it back with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: They look at that as as as paying taxes, That's true.
Speaker 1: When I looked at it, is taking care of the hood.
Speaker 1: You know. I was in Jamaica one time and uh,
Speaker 1: flow out there. This dude name't do this right and
Speaker 1: do this had had the whole community. Like I didn't
Speaker 1: ask what he did. He had had the whole community.
Speaker 1: And we had to fill my video there. We had
Speaker 1: to pay him, and he wanted to meet me. I
Speaker 1: met him in the cave and too to three years
Speaker 1: later in the cave, well two three years later, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there watching um the news. You know you're making
Speaker 1: you better know, dude, who do what this is? I've
Speaker 1: watched the news and I had I know idea. I
Speaker 1: have met the biggest drug dealing and to make it.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there and the whole neighborhood would not
Speaker 1: give this thick up for like three or four days.
Speaker 1: They was backing down the pool. Whatever the whatever this happened. Now,
Speaker 1: when you're feed the hood, they're gonna look at the hood.
Speaker 1: Will hold you question? That was my question? No, oh no,
Speaker 1: no you ain't. You ain't playing. It's like one time
Speaker 1: I had a little incident, right, I had about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but I had like ten
Speaker 1: keys and I was at my mama's house. In the
Speaker 1: car that we've been keeping him in. The homies needed it,
Speaker 1: so I take them out, and my mama's fence and
Speaker 1: my next door neighbor garage sit right next to each other,
Speaker 1: so I had a little hole in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: So I said, I'm gonna just throw them in between
Speaker 1: the fence and the garage until I get ready for him.
Speaker 1: So I threw him in between the fence. I'm just chilling,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna play me some basketball and to
Speaker 1: the fellers get back. So my mama called me. She said, hey, Mary,
Speaker 1: say she got your package. I said, what she got
Speaker 1: my package? So what I'm saying is that the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And she took my package and put it in the house.
Speaker 1: You ain't gotta keep it back there. You're righting in
Speaker 1: the house. And this is a lady that's like seven
Speaker 1: years old, you know what I'm saying. So when you're
Speaker 1: taking care of the neighborhood, even though she wasn't making
Speaker 1: money off of me, her grandkids was okay, and she
Speaker 1: appreciated what I was doing for her grandkids, and she
Speaker 1: was showing the love back from that by you know,
Speaker 1: making sure my thing was good. That's one thing about
Speaker 1: you know, hustling, um is you can turn you can
Speaker 1: turn it around if you want. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: do good with the bad that you're doing. Like you know,
Speaker 1: I know so many um Kenny Anderson, It's from my
Speaker 1: hood and I remember, uh, well he's a couple of
Speaker 1: years old to me, but I remember him trying to like,
Speaker 1: you know, him having a cold spreak, being in college
Speaker 1: and trying to go to the NBA and him having
Speaker 1: a cold speaker, trying to ask somebody to hustle, and
Speaker 1: every drug dealer just just told him to shut the
Speaker 1: funk up for the every drug deal amount count and
Speaker 1: eat up and pay for whatever the funk he needed
Speaker 1: at that time. And he had he had to do ship. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing with a little D. You know,
Speaker 1: a little D from the Bay Area. You know, he
Speaker 1: just got out I'm d too short in a big home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my little man, you know, he yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: being him man when he was about man, he couldn't
Speaker 1: have been more than seventeen. I met him and miss
Speaker 1: the Fast Store of the Bay Area. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: he told me. He was here there. Yeah, actually the
Speaker 1: first time he introduced me to him. He was about
Speaker 1: seventeen years old, and one of my boys put up
Speaker 1: in the van. He's been telling me about little d
Speaker 1: You know, he had been hitting me, but he wanted
Speaker 1: to go directly to me. So, uh he had he
Speaker 1: had connected us, and uh, you're a little dude. Was like,
Speaker 1: I said, how much money you got me? Seventeen years old?
Speaker 1: You had a million dollars, So you know, it was
Speaker 1: like it didn't matter how old you was. It's just
Speaker 1: a matter if you had the game to to to
Speaker 1: to to put it down. So uh, it was just
Speaker 1: so many ways and so many different dudes that was
Speaker 1: was getting their money that I didn't need to go
Speaker 1: outside of my community. You know, you got dudes coming
Speaker 1: throwing down five hundred, six hundred thousand, so you know,
Speaker 1: off a six hundred thousand out a deal. If I
Speaker 1: put a hundred out of that for myself, I'm happy.
Speaker 1: At one point, you were making more money than Magic
Speaker 1: motherfucking jobs, you know. And uh, how did that feel?
Speaker 1: With Magic sign this contract? Right and they put in
Speaker 1: the paper, I think he was getting like one point
Speaker 1: two billion. I was like, damn, I'm glad I don't
Speaker 1: play basketball I'm not gonna lie, you know hard that
Speaker 1: statement one. It was like damn ship. It was like,
Speaker 1: damn man, he only gonna make two million dollars in Yeah,
Speaker 1: he in trouble. Wow, that is crazy, man, that is crazy.
Speaker 1: So now come on, everybody, everybody could who was close,
Speaker 1: come over here to go. So you're in jail, you
Speaker 1: probably reading, you're doing whatever, and I'm rebuilding and rebuilding.
Speaker 1: I'm rebuilding and I'm like what I did because I
Speaker 1: got exposed a fair time when I went to jail.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody put me up on him, right, A
Speaker 1: couple of Muslim brothers, just like, man, you don't know
Speaker 1: about fair Con. You don't know about Malcolm X. I
Speaker 1: ain't never heard of Malcolm X. I ain't never heard
Speaker 1: about fair Come. You know I knew took it big on.
Speaker 1: You know Tony Stacy's cartoon big quick. What do you
Speaker 1: mean so mussling brother? One day he was like, man,
Speaker 1: come on, go to service man. You ain't doing nothing today.
Speaker 1: You know you ain't giving no tennis lessons because you
Speaker 1: know that's to my husble and that you was giving
Speaker 1: tennis lessons. Um, So I go to serviceman and uh,
Speaker 1: I see Farakhan for the first time in the jail. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm checking him out. Man, I'm listening to how
Speaker 1: you talk, and he's like, oh, the black man is God.
Speaker 1: Black man can do anything. Like what is the smuggeran
Speaker 1: talking about it? sEH lost his mind. I'm a dun't eat.
Speaker 1: I'm a get sir. You know, I'm appos to sell
Speaker 1: dope all my life. I'm not getting back out. You know.
Speaker 1: We're doing the same thing, like I just sits the
Speaker 1: first bit. Okay, So I'm checking him out and you're
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna get me. Loaded's okay, you burny, don't drink,
Speaker 1: It's okay, but I don't drink. Man drinking today. Bring
Speaker 1: your birthday. Listen to celebrate your birthday. We celebrate in
Speaker 1: your life and most important, we celebrate your survival. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to cut you up because listen to man,
Speaker 1: this black man who could kill every day for doing
Speaker 1: the for a spectrum of what you did to life
Speaker 1: the society for you to live. I think that that
Speaker 1: should be celebrated. I think it should be a charnished
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it should be a love. I
Speaker 1: think that you know every I think that what you're
Speaker 1: doing is honorable, because you could have just said, you
Speaker 1: know why I did this and fun up people like
Speaker 1: and that's it. But you're out here trying to make
Speaker 1: a fu change a change that's motherfucker. That's sucking dope.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna read the books. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that the books. But let me ask you,
Speaker 1: because I see, I see what's going there. But let
Speaker 1: me ask you. So when you first heard hustling every day,
Speaker 1: I'm hustling every day, I'm hustling and it's time flattered, flattered,
Speaker 1: and you said that's high. Yeah, alright, was flatter and
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I don't really know how
Speaker 1: to feel about this thing. So I get on the phone.
Speaker 1: I started calling people in who know this story, you know,
Speaker 1: because I still got my music. You know, I found
Speaker 1: alcoholics while I was in prison. But wait, the group
Speaker 1: that yeah that's got signed just put them down with
Speaker 1: Kee Tee. No, ken T put them down with me.
Speaker 1: Ken was my man. You know, if I if I
Speaker 1: listen to Keithie, I'll be the key of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Right now, I slipped on hip hop, d J Pool
Speaker 1: and key T try to get me do hip hop
Speaker 1: right before I was going to need a baker. But
Speaker 1: what I did is I went with the dudes with
Speaker 1: the I see Oldis Smith had at that time, Otis
Speaker 1: had Johnny Taylor the whole mag and then it convinced
Speaker 1: me to go with him. He took me to Dick,
Speaker 1: Griffy Berry Guardy and they all say hip hop is
Speaker 1: a fad. I was tipping with hip hop, but I
Speaker 1: didn't get all the way in it because them too, them,
Speaker 1: them dudes had convinced me that it wasn't gonna last.
Speaker 1: But I had them like this here, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know that I should be telling them what to do
Speaker 1: instead of that. Then King t is telling you, telling
Speaker 1: me hip hop is the one. What I'm saying, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So you would have been the first death ro Really
Speaker 1: this here, really listen to this here, and listen to this.
Speaker 1: I go to this house, I go to this house.
Speaker 1: Right Who who stays at one of my girl's house? Sometimes?
Speaker 1: You know what I got. I got like four girls,
Speaker 1: and I say house and house house. You know when
Speaker 1: the girls ain't when I ain't there, they bring when
Speaker 1: their little cousins over somebody and you know from company.
Speaker 1: So my one girl, My one girl. Her little cousin
Speaker 1: is a goop what's called man Cap who was the
Speaker 1: first group on our records. Um, that was her little cousin.
Speaker 1: Her other cousin was another dude named Tail who who DJ.
Speaker 1: Pooling was like this. So they would be at my
Speaker 1: house all the time. I would come over. Theyre being
Speaker 1: they're making beef bla blah blah blahla beating on the
Speaker 1: table and all that ship and they're like, man, you
Speaker 1: want to do Pools record. You know, he's gonna work
Speaker 1: with L cool J. And he's doing this and he's
Speaker 1: doing that, and so you know, maybe maybe because you're
Speaker 1: the financier of the hood. Obviously I got the bread.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with all the bread
Speaker 1: I got. It's hard to hide this ship. We put
Speaker 1: one down the bill with the people garage and they're
Speaker 1: cutting holes in the back of the garage and taking
Speaker 1: the safe out. So, uh, Pool takes me over to
Speaker 1: this house and I go in to apartment. Wasn't the
Speaker 1: house in his apartment? So I go in this apartment
Speaker 1: and so forty motherfucker's in there. They're laying all over
Speaker 1: the floor and looked worse than my crackhouts. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the funking on here? Is this? What y'all? They
Speaker 1: got wires everywhere turntables? I'm like, fuck. So when I
Speaker 1: leave on the Bay, should I messed with the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: with the high rises in Beverly Hills olders Smith did Griffy?
Speaker 1: Or should I mess with these young for seventeen years old?
Speaker 1: Who tell me he needs two hundred thousand? Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just tell me he needs six. I already gave him
Speaker 1: the six Huntred, So now I'm the banging. Should I
Speaker 1: get Pool two hundred? See? Pool would have told me
Speaker 1: he needed forty thousand to do album, which where the
Speaker 1: rap album was costing at the time. I would have
Speaker 1: gave it to him. He's trying to go big. He
Speaker 1: was trying to go big, and I just gave oh
Speaker 1: the six hundred. So I was like, I ain't ready
Speaker 1: to put this kind of music on, this kind of
Speaker 1: money into the music industry right now. W A out
Speaker 1: yet out y'all? From I go me Dre when I
Speaker 1: get out of prison, out of it. This is the
Speaker 1: first time to get right now like years ago and
Speaker 1: I d when I was in jail, but I never
Speaker 1: met him. So I go to his house about five
Speaker 1: six years ago, right right before we was doing Cracking
Speaker 1: the System, because Dred told me when I was in jail,
Speaker 1: He's gonna do the soundtrack. He said, whatever you do,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the soundtrack for you. So I go
Speaker 1: over to his house and we're talking about doing the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: He was like, wait, you don't remember that house. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, I came over there. He said, I was
Speaker 1: in that house the day that you came jord. Wow.
Speaker 1: So when it when it hit me, it was like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck. You had an opportunity to have doctor Dre
Speaker 1: at that time, and really I had to hold because
Speaker 1: I had Oldis Smith and did GRIFFI was the first distributors.
Speaker 1: They were the first independent distributors of black music. Uh.
Speaker 1: Did Griffin New negotiated Shugs deal within the scope. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know that he negotiated that. That
Speaker 1: was me and Harryo with Sally's when they started Death Roll.
Speaker 1: That's when they first first started. When they first started
Speaker 1: Death Roll, I met Sill to day Harryo met Shill.
Speaker 1: I was in the same room with with the day
Speaker 1: before she'll got in me and Harry. Oh, David Kenner
Speaker 1: was sitting uh the attorney booth, and Harry told David Kenner,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you more money in the music business
Speaker 1: than you ever made as an attorney. I was sitting
Speaker 1: in that room when he told him that we was
Speaker 1: in jail. It was in m d c. L A downtown. Wow. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, HARRYO have been in in in Pelican Bay,
Speaker 1: which is considered it's like solitary confinement where where all
Speaker 1: you got to do is read books, read newspapers. It's
Speaker 1: really the high profile maximum security. That's where they put
Speaker 1: like the worst are the worst. You dudes who came
Speaker 1: who can't walk to mind uh, too violent, too much pool.
Speaker 1: You know, the don't want you to get no mail
Speaker 1: and then want you're talking to nobody. You don't get
Speaker 1: no visits and why you ain't go there. I didn't
Speaker 1: go to the state. I went to the Y's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. You know, Harry went to the state because
Speaker 1: he had a kidnap, attempted murder. So I said, now
Speaker 1: back back to Rick Ross, right, So back to I'm
Speaker 1: sorry Rick Ross right. So the first time we're you
Speaker 1: robbing okay, okay, real quick, before the Freeway come to
Speaker 1: you first. No no, no, no, no no, let me
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me because Freeway, even though
Speaker 1: he came out before Rick Ross, I feel like Rick
Speaker 1: Ross was more, that meant more to you. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I just want to know timeline was that had free
Speaker 1: Way already come to you? He didn't come to me either. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's take it from there. I so you're in
Speaker 1: your in jail obviously, Uh yeah, um, every day I'm hustling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's just something that you can relate to? Absolutely, that
Speaker 1: was my saying. And then did you know that when
Speaker 1: the people played this record, this artist's name was Rick Ross?
Speaker 1: Or did you you knew that prior to listen? I
Speaker 1: knew before the record came out, you know, And yeah,
Speaker 1: we was. I was studying the music business because I
Speaker 1: had sought my mistake. You know, I'm like in there,
Speaker 1: like you know you've done? Motherfucker? What the fun was
Speaker 1: you thinking about? You had you had it in your hands?
Speaker 1: How did you How did you let this get out
Speaker 1: your hands? So I'm in jail, networking, you know, turns
Speaker 1: in the windy days, and people had already told you
Speaker 1: as an artist coming out named Rick Ross. The magazine,
Speaker 1: the magazine before you ever hit you know, we get
Speaker 1: all the magazine. We didn't. We didn't, said, yok we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't. We didn't hear Rick Ross two. We actually
Speaker 1: heard the actually you know, I mean, y'all hear the magazine.
Speaker 1: What was that magazine that was coming out of the South.
Speaker 1: Julia Beverley, she loved him. That was her boy. She
Speaker 1: blew him up man, she got she I think they
Speaker 1: might have been fucking. That's how we thought that jail
Speaker 1: it was. That's how she was on. Okay, So back first,
Speaker 1: at first, every day you're hustling. It's a great record, amazing, great,
Speaker 1: great record. Every hustler had to love that, had to
Speaker 1: love that. And then this is this is why I'm involved,
Speaker 1: Because in the record he says, I know Pablo Noriega
Speaker 1: the real noise. So he's trying to this is I think,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's the reason why I didn't take
Speaker 1: that line. Never personal. Not when I first met him,
Speaker 1: he told me it wasn't it wasn't like that. But
Speaker 1: when he was trying to apply that, he was like,
Speaker 1: your status correct, But have you ever dealt with Pablo.
Speaker 1: What he did is he switched it up because he
Speaker 1: didn't want I mean, you know he wasn't. I spoke
Speaker 1: to him when I was in jail. Oh oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I had. I had a phone call with him, and
Speaker 1: he had a maildown before the record or after the
Speaker 1: record came out, before the restaurant, because he was at
Speaker 1: this time he was when I first found out about him.
Speaker 1: He was just doing the magazines and he was writing
Speaker 1: for he was stepping Starter was right for treating up. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he was getting ready to his album is get ready
Speaker 1: to come out? He was getting ready for the album out.
Speaker 1: But he was, you know, before before the album or
Speaker 1: the record comes out, they do the magazines first. You know,
Speaker 1: you're doing the old zone. So I seen him in
Speaker 1: the magazines and I'm like, I know, somebody got to notice, dude.
Speaker 1: But I do too many people. So I'm hitting all
Speaker 1: my boys. So one of my boys, he write for
Speaker 1: Smooth Magazine. He's, oh yeah, he'd be here Monday at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. I put you on the phone with him,
Speaker 1: So my boy, I called him. My boy put him
Speaker 1: on the phone. He don't know it's me. My boy
Speaker 1: just handing the phone. He had met somebody want to
Speaker 1: high let you. So he get on the phone. I
Speaker 1: holler me, oh, man, you don't know. He thinks he's
Speaker 1: been set up. Oh big home meet got his bodyguards
Speaker 1: by itself. Oh big home mee. I love you, and
Speaker 1: you know, just like jacking me off hard. So I say, uh,
Speaker 1: I say, look, man, I got some my beers for us.
Speaker 1: We can do this thing together. You don't have to
Speaker 1: be me. You can just be my supporter. Um, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: IM will come to see you and I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. So I called him like one
Speaker 1: more time after that, and uh, he put this guy
Speaker 1: Pucci on the phone and uh, they sent us a
Speaker 1: busiting form. So I sent him to busity Forum. They
Speaker 1: never feel a form out. Next thing I know, the
Speaker 1: number was changed. You know that was an end of
Speaker 1: our conversation. As you think, that's where I ret wrong,
Speaker 1: because obviously it's because obviously you had to feel flatters
Speaker 1: like me personally as a person was a wrapper, right,
Speaker 1: And um, I wanted to just just show you the
Speaker 1: similarities in my situation. I had never I had never
Speaker 1: chose the name of Norieg I was actually in jail
Speaker 1: reading a book about Noriega, and the ship was so thick.
Speaker 1: People I think it's the child. I was like, you
Speaker 1: think you ain't beating that ship, and just like playfully
Speaker 1: grabbed a book for me or knocked down or something,
Speaker 1: and they started reading. And then whatever they asked me
Speaker 1: on that page, I had knew it. So people just
Speaker 1: nicknamed me Noriega. No, no doubt, so I had. I
Speaker 1: still didn't go by the name of Noriega. Um. So
Speaker 1: I came home from jail. When I came home from jail,
Speaker 1: Capone had came to see me, which his name was
Speaker 1: not Capone in jail um but and he kept calling
Speaker 1: me Noriega. So people in my hood thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: So I was like, we called this the Noriega too.
Speaker 1: We called him Ariga too. But in retrospect, I reached
Speaker 1: out to Noriega's family because I knew how it could be,
Speaker 1: you know, tooking the wrong way right. So when I
Speaker 1: reached out and I couldn't get the actual um contact
Speaker 1: that I wanted or someone that was you know, valuable
Speaker 1: to talk about it, what I did was I changed
Speaker 1: my name in the Northy right and I totally get
Speaker 1: that because I never named myself freeway right, Okay. I
Speaker 1: grew up on the side of the freeway. And when
Speaker 1: we started low riding, we started low ride. It was
Speaker 1: a dude who was like the king of low ride
Speaker 1: at the time. And uh, one of my little partner
Speaker 1: was banging his wife. He didn't like it. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think so you know, we like a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't like that. Years old. He like when
Speaker 1: five eighteen year old banging his wife. So he found
Speaker 1: out that my boy banging his wife. So he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you junky ask freeway boys, and it was an insult.
Speaker 1: Freeway we should be an insult. You didn't want to
Speaker 1: be no freeway boy. That's why I was asking. You
Speaker 1: didn't read the article about my obituary. You missed that.
Speaker 1: When you missed that, you got to read that article
Speaker 1: because l a Man magazine. Uh, this dude came to
Speaker 1: visit me at the prison when I had my life
Speaker 1: sentence and he called himself right in my obituary. He
Speaker 1: wrote for the l A timesh and he was saying
Speaker 1: that this was gonna be the last time that he
Speaker 1: ever wrote about me. Okay, so we just at that
Speaker 1: one he talked about being a junkie ass freeway boy,
Speaker 1: and that's what they felt about us because our cars
Speaker 1: was raggedy, they smoked, they shook. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying THEE So I understand totally what you're saying about
Speaker 1: somebody giving you a name. So how how do you
Speaker 1: think you and Ross could have avoided? We would have
Speaker 1: both been huge right now. I mean I would have
Speaker 1: gave him the freedom. He would have never got in
Speaker 1: toy with the g D s. If he'd been messing
Speaker 1: with me, Him and the g D problem never would
Speaker 1: have happened because I would have been able to handle
Speaker 1: that right off the rip. You know, I would have
Speaker 1: took care of it. Larry who was Larry Who? Okay?
Speaker 1: I would have knew how to to navigate to those situations.
Speaker 1: I mean I had ideas one when we talked the
Speaker 1: first time we talked, he was gonna do a show.
Speaker 1: I said, listen, man, let me give you a tip.
Speaker 1: Look what you do. You get ready to do your show?
Speaker 1: The next show you do, let me call in let
Speaker 1: him here. This is before most people ever heard the
Speaker 1: federal president. This is a call from a federal correctional institution.
Speaker 1: This is Ricky Ross. I said, listen, if you do
Speaker 1: that on the phone, you take my call, you let
Speaker 1: the whole audience here you talking to me, they don't
Speaker 1: love you. Ah. And he didn't get it. He didn't
Speaker 1: understand how much more that would have solidified his authenticity
Speaker 1: of of be somebody from the hood, you know. And
Speaker 1: and it was tips like that that I had for
Speaker 1: me and him that we could have did. But like
Speaker 1: I said, he didn't really understand. I think he was
Speaker 1: more concerned with me discrediting his credibility. You know, if
Speaker 1: it's a real Rick Ross, then why are you Rick Ross?
Speaker 1: You know? And I think that his people started to
Speaker 1: put that in his ear that he couldn't align himself
Speaker 1: with me. It would be impossible for him to align
Speaker 1: itself with me because then it would discredit But this
Speaker 1: is a real Noriega and I always show love to
Speaker 1: the Noriega family. But see, you can think for yourself.
Speaker 1: You you know who you are, what you stand for.
Speaker 1: When you don't really understand that. It's like me, if
Speaker 1: I didn't know who I was, I wouldn't be walking
Speaker 1: the street right now like I'm doing a movie right now.
Speaker 1: So that we got to eleven million in the bank.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, we're gonna start shooting hope. We
Speaker 1: felt well, we got the script doctor. So working with
Speaker 1: the script doctor, we we were doing the script right now,
Speaker 1: kind of everything up and everything tight. So me and
Speaker 1: he was talking another day, I said, I see men,
Speaker 1: cous Man, we gotta do another movie right now, as
Speaker 1: soon as this movie is done, we gotta do another
Speaker 1: movie with me making all the wrong choices, Like every
Speaker 1: time one of little homies wanted to kill them, my fucker,
Speaker 1: I said, go ahead, he put the trigger. Bam. How
Speaker 1: would my life had been so much different if I
Speaker 1: couldn't be strong enough to where these dudes get into
Speaker 1: it that I don't had a power to say, hold up, man,
Speaker 1: don't pull that trigger. Don't you shoot him, get him
Speaker 1: a path, they didn't walk away. It would have been
Speaker 1: a whole lot of difference. But some people don't have
Speaker 1: the power or the strength to say don't do it.
Speaker 1: They're more worried about or they're gonna look at me
Speaker 1: like I'm soft if you don't do it. But me,
Speaker 1: what I did is I was like, okay, you kill him. Okay.
Speaker 1: In the movie, this is what this movie is gonna be.
Speaker 1: But this is what I actually tell my guy. I
Speaker 1: don't want abode like whoa hold on? This is this
Speaker 1: is what I should tell my guy. Right, I said,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna kill him. I don't kill him.
Speaker 1: That three hundred thousand old. You think we're gonna get
Speaker 1: that back when you kill him? Any chance of us
Speaker 1: getting that back ain't no chance. Okay, that's cool. We
Speaker 1: don't get the money back, but we're probably gonna get
Speaker 1: it back Noway what the police start the investigation. Okay,
Speaker 1: they arrestless. They ain't really got the evidence, and the
Speaker 1: arrest as all right, we all go to jail. We
Speaker 1: got a bet out how much that's gonna cost us?
Speaker 1: How much you haven't FENSI to charge every time you
Speaker 1: do a case hollars everybody that he touched You know,
Speaker 1: he don't touch you if you you don't talking about
Speaker 1: thirty I see. So it's six of us. So you
Speaker 1: know we're talking about three hundred thousand. So we already
Speaker 1: don't blew that three hundred already we were don't we're don't.
Speaker 1: We're don'ta chunk that three hundred at three don't not
Speaker 1: turning to nine. So I was able to take my
Speaker 1: guys and explain to him that you don't throw good
Speaker 1: money at the bad money. Sometimes you gotta walk away
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, that was my bad. You
Speaker 1: know I should have knew. I have a model that
Speaker 1: did I go by is that I don't give people
Speaker 1: something I can't afford to give them. If I give
Speaker 1: it to you, I can afford to lose it. To
Speaker 1: lose it meaning to give it alone for a hundred
Speaker 1: thousands if you don't pay you back. And you know
Speaker 1: that's that was all good. But what's the difference between
Speaker 1: like Freeway taking the name, Rick Ross taking a name
Speaker 1: between them both they got both of you. You know
Speaker 1: they're not the only ones. We got Rich out of
Speaker 1: out of Kansas City, free Rich. Remember you ain't never
Speaker 1: heard of rich. I told that one went over my head.
Speaker 1: Richard Rich is hard like Kansas City. St. Louis the
Speaker 1: Bay Area. I think, I think, I think hard hard
Speaker 1: to Kansas City. He set it out for. But but
Speaker 1: but that's a different freeway. They said it out for you.
Speaker 1: You know, they show you even though none of them
Speaker 1: gave me no money. But none of them ain't gave
Speaker 1: me no money. But you know, nobody came and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna through a show for you.
Speaker 1: You know you you want motherfucker. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I love you to death. You know I got your
Speaker 1: name tacked on my hand. That's how much I love you.
Speaker 1: None of them didn't do that. But at least when
Speaker 1: I come to town, they come out, We sit down,
Speaker 1: we talked. You know what I'm saying, It's like we
Speaker 1: got a relationship with with old boy, he deliberately lied
Speaker 1: to me about us and building a relationship. I was
Speaker 1: more concerned about us building a relationship than than than
Speaker 1: some money. So I knew him. I knew when they
Speaker 1: bust some doors. When they bust some doors, I said,
Speaker 1: if anybody out they got money, I'm gonna get some
Speaker 1: of it. And no way, y'all gonna have no money
Speaker 1: and I don't get none of it. But do you
Speaker 1: think that's why he was kind of scared? Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the one point you said is uh, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's the real Rick Ross, But you think it was
Speaker 1: kind of scared that if if it's kind of scared
Speaker 1: of a lawsuit or a storation type of we did
Speaker 1: we did do it. Lawsuit. Yeah, and I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was right to the lawsuit. He's probably probably thought about,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy's a big drug you know, um
Speaker 1: because you know they getting short exactly, Yeah, exactly. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of games. But I've never been with this
Speaker 1: story man, you know. But but you can see how
Speaker 1: he can miss construe that though, can you see. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just trying to do good. But but you're
Speaker 1: still supposed to know who you're dealing with exactly. And
Speaker 1: that's what that's what really fucked me up about the
Speaker 1: whole game right now, with all these motherfucker's with money,
Speaker 1: all of them, they got money. Right now, I don't
Speaker 1: respect him, don't give a funking and and anything. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hater, but they don't understand the mind, you know,
Speaker 1: even with Florida. You know, Floyd picked me up from
Speaker 1: the halfway house, and all I wanted from Ford was
Speaker 1: me around the game because I know if they put
Speaker 1: me around the game, I'm gonna figure the motherfucker out.
Speaker 1: I don't care what game it is. You put me
Speaker 1: in jail, I'm gonna know how to read, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: learn how to do the law. Who I was doing
Speaker 1: other people about how I got dudes out of prison.
Speaker 1: I don't got him bail. When the lawyer said you
Speaker 1: ain't getting no bill, I showed him how to do bill.
Speaker 1: I showed him how to go. Oh, look at this
Speaker 1: here the judge. The judge only got two ways that
Speaker 1: he can depart from the guidelines. Well, we were seeing
Speaker 1: the point cooperate with the government. A post conviction real delictation.
Speaker 1: So if you go to a a class, you start
Speaker 1: taking drug classes before you go to court, before you
Speaker 1: get convicted, they're gonna change that is post conviction real abilitation.
Speaker 1: Now to judge, he give you any monet of time
Speaker 1: to you. I just get somebody the game. The other
Speaker 1: day they called me crying. Oh my niece he feeling
Speaker 1: go to tail. I said, why you didn't call me
Speaker 1: when she first got arrested. I said, you, my girl,
Speaker 1: I would have gave you this ship for free. I said,
Speaker 1: look when she got to go get they do this,
Speaker 1: do that, do that? Now the judge is gonna be
Speaker 1: able to part from the guideline. And if you don't
Speaker 1: study the law, if you ain't in tune, you ain't
Speaker 1: gonna know this. But that was my game. When I
Speaker 1: got in Tune, I knew how to get bailed. I
Speaker 1: knew how that I couldn't get myself out was my
Speaker 1: case was so enormous, you know, like it was guys
Speaker 1: in there that were so cold, but they couldn't get
Speaker 1: their self out because the case was so horrendous. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They killed three or four motherfucker's
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna let you out. But no matter
Speaker 1: how smart you get in all, you're not getting out.
Speaker 1: But they knew how to do the law. And that's
Speaker 1: what I had did when I was in there. I
Speaker 1: had studied. Basically, what I did is I started studying
Speaker 1: the law the way I sold dope. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Love love selling dope. When I sold dope, I loved it.
Speaker 1: I was winning to die for it. I was willing
Speaker 1: to kill for it. I mean when it was a
Speaker 1: time that they was like, oh man, will uh, they're
Speaker 1: talking about they're gonna kidnap you. I said, just there
Speaker 1: was a word on the street, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know I'm running around with two three I'm run
Speaker 1: around with two three million in Deffel bags. I got
Speaker 1: two three dudes, can my deffle bags with honey in it.
Speaker 1: So the word is out of there. They're gonna kidnap me.
Speaker 1: So I put on my bulletproof vest. I put my
Speaker 1: pists on my pocket and let's do it. You know.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna be a quipped, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying at this time. Mothers ain't wearing bulletpool vest at
Speaker 1: this time. This is like early in the game. You know,
Speaker 1: we go get the bulletproof vest that that the forty
Speaker 1: five bullets won't go through. Because I'm always trying to
Speaker 1: be up on the latest and the greatest. I got
Speaker 1: no crud have been home, you know. But man, he
Speaker 1: was telling about how you invest in big coin. I
Speaker 1: was like, fu' not for some people. It's still a
Speaker 1: long term investment for some people. At words, we gotta
Speaker 1: cut them, Okay, we gotta, yeah, we gotta. You need back.
Speaker 1: You already know we're back at Drake Chaps, and listen
Speaker 1: right now we have the King Cocaine and we have
Speaker 1: the the son of the Queen of Cocaine. This is crazy, Mike,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Brother Selda ain't gonna show out right now.
Speaker 1: It's a matter how two episodes in um Um two episodes,
Speaker 1: and I believe and that's that's the clothing line. You're buncle.
Speaker 1: So I'm telling how it is growing up in the
Speaker 1: house of how is it going growing up Blanco uncle?
Speaker 1: I think freaking vosh Fred. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: people want to throw you know, a little bizzas on
Speaker 1: the things and over exaggerate. But when he came down
Speaker 1: tune it. Let's say the Sopranos, it was the Blanco house.
Speaker 1: You know, it was business on the street. But no
Speaker 1: guns at the table. Don't say nothing crazy in front
Speaker 1: of the kid. Bodyguards say there they come, eat with us,
Speaker 1: but no guns at the table. And mama was a
Speaker 1: strip one. Yeah, sent you to school everything. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not like you know, it's like people like, you know,
Speaker 1: like waking up and Mom's like, hey good. I mean
Speaker 1: in my later years as I got older, you know,
Speaker 1: they had to do little things, but they never when
Speaker 1: my mother put me in arm's way, the baby right right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think of that that some of your
Speaker 1: babies will grow up like and eventually lived like lifestyle? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I had two sons that were really three
Speaker 1: that that took the gangster lifestyle. Definitely. Yeah, yeah, I got.
Speaker 1: I got three sons have been to jail. They go hard.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was just with one
Speaker 1: of his sons. Yeah, yeah, he was just with one
Speaker 1: of my sons who just got out of prison. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, Yeah, I didn't even know that. And
Speaker 1: you know I knew of his mom in there was
Speaker 1: any like cross well you know, uh the niggarackas you
Speaker 1: should talk about her. Yeah, Mama Coca, and she knew
Speaker 1: of him, and they knew the same people, so they
Speaker 1: probably sold the way to the same people. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we I'm sure that that my guys was getting
Speaker 1: it from her at times. I say that they definitely talked.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they was getting it from uh
Speaker 1: the brothers Escobar and his mom. You ever seen a
Speaker 1: little trouble ball brothers. Of course, my brother Cheeki Blancle
Speaker 1: was the prodigy of Pablo ands with Choice and he
Speaker 1: was the baby. He was there prodigy. When he jumped
Speaker 1: out of doing his seven years in the FEDS, he
Speaker 1: stayed at their house week and a half later, sent
Speaker 1: four hundred. I heard you saying the reality show that
Speaker 1: you'll never go back to Columbia as much as I
Speaker 1: would love to see loved ones and everything. I can't.
Speaker 1: I got an asylum in this country. But you gotta
Speaker 1: what an asylum. It's called the Convention against Torture. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that. You can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: You can't visit because of that? Yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: because of that and because I choose not to, I
Speaker 1: gave up that life, you know, And I mean to me,
Speaker 1: that's what made the show even more real. I was
Speaker 1: watching with my girl that part, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is where I think this is not a regular
Speaker 1: reality show, because Doc, if you would have gone there,
Speaker 1: I would have been like, it shows how real it
Speaker 1: is because it's still fresh. Well you know me, you
Speaker 1: know what this is. This is kind of recent in
Speaker 1: real time. Your mother passed away, not that long ago, assassinated,
Speaker 1: and my brothers were my brothers were Sassinday nineties, two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, even go to be God bless man.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. When I watched Cocaine Cowboys the
Speaker 1: same way I watched Um, you know um roll Ship,
Speaker 1: It's like, um, the level of that lifestyle, I just
Speaker 1: I just couldn't see that, Like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: saying like obviously I sold drugs, but I've never was
Speaker 1: on y'all level, like that level at all, but like, um,
Speaker 1: that that level of like like I heard, I heard
Speaker 1: you say that you if a person stole from you,
Speaker 1: you just wouldn't work with them. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was cheaper for me not to work
Speaker 1: with him. I mean to kill them or to to
Speaker 1: to use my powers. I mean, you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: because you become a bully. But you can start bullying
Speaker 1: people around. You know, you got it easier to become
Speaker 1: a bully. It is easy. I mean, you got you got.
Speaker 1: At one time, I had like all of the shot
Speaker 1: callers damn near in l A, all the black shot
Speaker 1: callers a under one card, you know, like for the
Speaker 1: people that who was like the one of the founders
Speaker 1: Great Street, like a hunch. I need you. I can
Speaker 1: call big you a big cal from the sixties, you know,
Speaker 1: putting t rodgers from the Blood. These were all like
Speaker 1: my dudes, you know what I'm saying, Like right now
Speaker 1: we still like like this here, if they got it,
Speaker 1: I can get it, you know. Uh So when when
Speaker 1: when you're in that position, you have to be really
Speaker 1: particular about what your what your decisions are. Your mom's
Speaker 1: was like the exact opposite if she she got a
Speaker 1: hat missing, according to the documentary. I watched that documentary
Speaker 1: like my mother had the same and she told me
Speaker 1: this when I was a kid, that it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if it's a hundred dollars or a hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: it's the principle. So yeah, I've heard little stories that work.
Speaker 1: Whoa I owe is you like when when she was
Speaker 1: like like a like mother say that I was turning
Speaker 1: seven years old, my brother's turned My brothers were all
Speaker 1: arrested and died when I was seven for the biggest
Speaker 1: money launching case in California state history. My brother was
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. He was worth a hundred million dollars already.
Speaker 1: He was where he was a charts prodigy. Nos Cheeky Blanco.
Speaker 1: Cheeky Blanco handle the Bay Area, Beverly Hills a lot.
Speaker 1: They dealt with a lot of uh. I would say.
Speaker 1: My brother Cheeko was the first Columbian to deal with
Speaker 1: the Afro Americans on the East Coast. And my mother
Speaker 1: was the Queen of queens. You know that Jackson crazy
Speaker 1: and we did something cool the hell over there. I
Speaker 1: mean we used to go out town and there's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a process so crazy even that your mom's
Speaker 1: moved over there. It was I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So
Speaker 1: all right, So because what made you dude? The reality?
Speaker 1: So what does this is? Well, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: in the business for a minute when I met you, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Thank you to see you guys do what you've done.
Speaker 1: I congratulate you. Ten years ago, you guys gave me
Speaker 1: my first interview. So what made you do the reality?
Speaker 1: I started getting into the business back then. I would
Speaker 1: see if anyone my partner Magic was in the music business,
Speaker 1: what it helped me get into the business. John Gardi,
Speaker 1: Buggy segu you know they did it back then. I
Speaker 1: saw we grew up on hip hop. We grew up
Speaker 1: on you you know, you know what, We grew up
Speaker 1: on some mob ship of these guys becoming metamorphosizing into
Speaker 1: these legal entities jay Z Damon Dash. So when you
Speaker 1: grow up in that area and you see, damn these
Speaker 1: boys talking about the dope that ross. So these boys
Speaker 1: talking about my mom and Pablo, but they look like
Speaker 1: dope dealers. Damn, I live that lifestyle. Yeah, if they
Speaker 1: don't gotta worry about the jack boys, the criminals, FBI,
Speaker 1: d A damn. I want to be just like jay Z.
Speaker 1: I want to be like that guy right now. You
Speaker 1: see you see what he talks about Rick Ross? Right man?
Speaker 1: Uh see how he felt? Right now? There's actually because
Speaker 1: out the records O tons name it. No, there's an
Speaker 1: actually records label called yeah records get Betty? What is it?
Speaker 1: Betty blocks? West side Gun? What's your Who was Conway? Right?
Speaker 1: I heard that stuff that he felt like. I wouldn't Okay,
Speaker 1: you knew me before and I was a criminal, and
Speaker 1: you knew me when. I would have took a different route.
Speaker 1: But I would have expect it with this gentleman, a legend.
Speaker 1: I'm not a legend. I'm coming to be, but I'm
Speaker 1: from the streets, so I would have loved and appreciate it. Yo, Mike,
Speaker 1: can I wrap with you? Can I hang what you can?
Speaker 1: Can we probably think about this? Yeah? Can I get
Speaker 1: my buddy and his approach? His approach? He said, he
Speaker 1: said he reached out, He reached out. They spoke and
Speaker 1: he said that he felt like the lines was, how
Speaker 1: would you go about that? He should have never had
Speaker 1: to reach out. They should have reached out to him.
Speaker 1: That's how you spell me. Yeah, so you need to
Speaker 1: expect that. Yeah, I'm gonna keep it, Jim, because that's
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I mean, next we'll talk. I mean,
Speaker 1: if honestly, I think somebody did something to me, somebody
Speaker 1: did be a favorite, and somebody did me a favorite,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reach out and in paying back, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, as soon as I get a chance.
Speaker 1: You know, we we don't take from the will to
Speaker 1: never put back, you know, otherwise pretty soon a well
Speaker 1: gonna be tried. We gotta always put back. Well, this
Speaker 1: could be the platform where they reach out to you,
Speaker 1: and maybe you gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: you know what I think, me knowing like like both
Speaker 1: of you guys, I just feel like the community knowing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know I don't know well enough, but I know
Speaker 1: him enough to know that. I don't think he meant malice.
Speaker 1: I think I never no, no, no, I think I
Speaker 1: never said that. Yeah, he loves me to death. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's us. I think you tattoo a motherfucker
Speaker 1: name on your hands. I love that motherfucker right along.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at his fist. I saw
Speaker 1: him in the magazine. He was like this here he
Speaker 1: had my name tattooed on his hand. This motherfucking love
Speaker 1: with me. I think, I don't think the only thing
Speaker 1: he probably mad about he can't marry me when he
Speaker 1: held me, you know what I'm saying. So, because you
Speaker 1: know what, I think, that's how it starts. I think
Speaker 1: you know what it is, so many black of us
Speaker 1: we call ourselves Escotball, right, we'll call ourselves Gotti, right,
Speaker 1: and then we'll call ourselves the Gambino family. And then
Speaker 1: we realized that the Gambino family even like black people, right,
Speaker 1: And like you know what I'm saying. So, so this
Speaker 1: is the first job, this is given both of your brothers.
Speaker 1: This is the first time people from our culture is
Speaker 1: actually emulating our own culture. So that that's the one
Speaker 1: thing that's good about I respect that that's the one
Speaker 1: thing that's good about it. Praising the black another black bout,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's the one thing, like,
Speaker 1: no matter how you feel about it, it's like at
Speaker 1: least that praise our culture, like because it would be
Speaker 1: hitting that's remember when she said leaving the Federal building,
Speaker 1: the black widow called me miss white, and I heard
Speaker 1: that something like so I love that. So in the
Speaker 1: Friend of the Friends, no no, no, no, but I
Speaker 1: understand that. And then no products with that. But let's
Speaker 1: do something together. If it's really I feel, and it
Speaker 1: really is that way I feel. I mean, if we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep it real, we can be like Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and everything is what it ain't. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What he said it is, it's what it is, and
Speaker 1: what it said it ain't. It ain't me me and
Speaker 1: people outside looking at I could tell that he he
Speaker 1: wanted to do the right thing, but I felt like
Speaker 1: he got he got railroaded. It's it's like this, it's
Speaker 1: just like this. You know what I did when I
Speaker 1: reached out to noriegas fact, I just didn't even know
Speaker 1: you reached out actually did because I actually wanted them
Speaker 1: in the video, I don't even get Remember he was
Speaker 1: do he wasn't killing I wasn't I wasn't get permission.
Speaker 1: I was trying everything I can do. We shot the woman,
Speaker 1: but I think wasn't let him know, like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not tarnishing your name. It was the room and I
Speaker 1: never spelled to the same you know, his his name
Speaker 1: is spelled r E I E A G E E
Speaker 1: E I E. So I wanted them to know, and
Speaker 1: I wanted, you know, like whatever, like if I can
Speaker 1: help out, you know what I'm saying, something like, because
Speaker 1: I wanted to know I'm not trying to tarnish your name,
Speaker 1: and in fact, I'm actually keeping your name alive no doubt.
Speaker 1: And I recognized that I recognize what he's done for
Speaker 1: my name. But at the same time, I wanted to
Speaker 1: exercise to power, right, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: he could have allowed me to exercise that power quicker.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to exercise my power. They're gonna fill
Speaker 1: me in another couple of months. They're going to know
Speaker 1: that this mone is the same mind that that that
Speaker 1: took a hundred and twenty five dollars and my partner
Speaker 1: had a hundred twenty five and we build a three
Speaker 1: million dollars every now and then empire, but a million
Speaker 1: dollars every single day. I'm getting ready to implement that again.
Speaker 1: But he could have escalated that. I could have been
Speaker 1: doing that six years ago in a perfect world. What
Speaker 1: what what would you in a perfect world? Right? You
Speaker 1: came home, he gave me a job, said, come on, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go talk to your p O. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell your PO that you're canna be working with me
Speaker 1: domin legit. I ain't got no criminal record, because you
Speaker 1: don't even have no criminal I interviewed him for the lawsuit.
Speaker 1: I am him downtown and they say, oh, you've ever
Speaker 1: been to jail and he was like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well what did you go to jail? Four? A marijuana
Speaker 1: one time? So he had a clean record. My PO
Speaker 1: would have let me round with him. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It wouldn't have been like, oh, we don't
Speaker 1: want name with him. But now, now, just being DEVI advocate,
Speaker 1: what if he was like the position that he could
Speaker 1: have offered you was something that he would have thought
Speaker 1: was beneath He made me thought I didn't handle position
Speaker 1: that was beneath me. You know what I told myself
Speaker 1: when I was getting out. True. But listen, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest. I'ma be honest. Let me just let me
Speaker 1: just let me just go to I would tell you,
Speaker 1: and then you know why, you know this is why
Speaker 1: a lot of people are sometimes be scared to do
Speaker 1: something for the street guy because they don't want to
Speaker 1: offer him a position where you're kind of like a
Speaker 1: soldier when you when you were boss. And so that's
Speaker 1: why a lot of the street guys can't converts, because
Speaker 1: the person that's trying to put them on knows that
Speaker 1: or feels that these guys more of a wolf than that.
Speaker 1: But the I'm gonna have to stop. Stop. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't get your research on me. Yes, you know
Speaker 1: how I carry it? Even what if he did, but
Speaker 1: he was supposed to know me. He had studied me.
Speaker 1: Rest that he had studied me, all right, he used
Speaker 1: my my sayings in in in in music, so he
Speaker 1: knew who I was. Yeah. But but but in all
Speaker 1: due respect, you could have still been a killer. You
Speaker 1: could have still been a killer. He's just nor he
Speaker 1: had researched nor. He had researched me. He read my cases,
Speaker 1: he read my cases, he read all the articles, he
Speaker 1: watched all the dollar documentaries, and he knew about me
Speaker 1: before everybody else did. No, I agree, I agree, But
Speaker 1: what if what if you know the person who's not
Speaker 1: used to dealing with a person of that caliber. Is
Speaker 1: he just made the wrong move where we know he
Speaker 1: we know he had never dealt with the street dudes.
Speaker 1: You know, I know, I know he had credit cards
Speaker 1: in high school. A lot of people don't know that.
Speaker 1: You know, most of us ain't never seen no credit
Speaker 1: I've seen I just started getting credit cards two or
Speaker 1: three years ago. But he had credit cards in high school.
Speaker 1: So he definitely didn't know about the streets. You know,
Speaker 1: but he should have had enough sense to say, I
Speaker 1: studied this dude. I know this dude's background. I knew
Speaker 1: that this dude ain't gonna extort me. This dude don't
Speaker 1: extort people. He not in the extorting. He into making money,
Speaker 1: He's into making moves. He's a thinker, he's a shaker,
Speaker 1: he's a mover. That's what he was supposed to see.
Speaker 1: And for him not seeing that, he swept on the game.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I guess I can. I agree with
Speaker 1: you just one million percentage, so you know I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree that everybody should pay homage to the people
Speaker 1: that come form, especially if if you take any part
Speaker 1: of their life, if I take any if I started
Speaker 1: naming myself fucking Supreme, I should be calling you know,
Speaker 1: to to to to job rules, was calling the earth
Speaker 1: guy that should be making sure that I noticed that.
Speaker 1: I took that part of it like the first person
Speaker 1: they ever met, a supreme You gotta do that one
Speaker 1: million percent. But then certain people just don't know how
Speaker 1: to approach things like no, I agree, and I said,
Speaker 1: sensirely believe that if you guys were to have a
Speaker 1: little conversation, I kid you not because like like me,
Speaker 1: like it's a sensible guy. I'm just trying to. I
Speaker 1: ain't got no problem with too. I would love no
Speaker 1: problem with I don't need his money. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to. I'm cracking now. You know. I'm
Speaker 1: fixed the beef T jay Z and Fat Joe. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Come on, let's have another one
Speaker 1: with both, y'all. I'm good. I'm a good beat squash
Speaker 1: because you know, but it ain't no beat, dope. You
Speaker 1: don't know what I mean, don't be misunderstand it. Ain't
Speaker 1: even have a misunderstanding. I mean, it just ain't nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't. I'm sure they can figure it out.
Speaker 1: Miami boys break bread just like sure you could break
Speaker 1: a little like just like just like let's I always
Speaker 1: imagine that when I heard myself up records and they
Speaker 1: lit right now, they fired up, seen the videos. It's good.
Speaker 1: My own boy went through the stores. Ship, you know that.
Speaker 1: I just came from that. I thought, But what happened,
Speaker 1: What happens back in your day? What happens If that's
Speaker 1: what they think you reach, They saying, well, we don't
Speaker 1: got no breder for you, but we gotta perspect. Man. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you I'm filthy, filthy, rich and
Speaker 1: as that. But I'm comfortable, you know, and I work
Speaker 1: hard for my money. I'm gonna keep it real. Motherfucker
Speaker 1: went broke because the federal guvernment took every motherfucking dollar
Speaker 1: I had. So now I'm rebuilding my ship. What we
Speaker 1: do and what my generation, my generations after his generation,
Speaker 1: we learned from watching him. We learned from watching him.
Speaker 1: Are we're changing the game. When you're dealing in a
Speaker 1: corporate status and you're here moving in the room full
Speaker 1: of vultures, but all these vultures have suits. You learned
Speaker 1: a lot, and what you learned is to be a
Speaker 1: corporate mind. I'm not gonna lean on the niggas why
Speaker 1: you know I'm not gonna lean on them because I can't.
Speaker 1: Why because he taught us not to go back to jail, right,
Speaker 1: you know what extortion is what I used to run
Speaker 1: my record label, like, so I ain't doing that again.
Speaker 1: Like my daughter said, I'm legit forever. So why would
Speaker 1: I even approach these gentlemen talk to them the wrong way?
Speaker 1: What happens if you was to reach out and you
Speaker 1: felt like it was like like sometimes I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: straight over you don't want some bread, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like Sue or something like No, not that if I would,
Speaker 1: I mean I can't. There's no grounds for it. So
Speaker 1: I've already had that question. That's that's a real last name.
Speaker 1: That's a real name, right, Yeah, I know they have
Speaker 1: their their complete legit, and kudos to them. Get your money.
Speaker 1: I have no hate for people getting you have anc
Speaker 1: But if that's your life. No. I owned the power
Speaker 1: of attorney for myself and the Blanco last name, but
Speaker 1: before my mother passed away, I wanted to vote her
Speaker 1: life attorney. So what happens if you want to make
Speaker 1: something cocaz Elda you have that? Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't challenge my states. It's my favor. Can't challenge my
Speaker 1: you know that's that's that would be honest. Both of
Speaker 1: you brothers. Take you off for showing up because you
Speaker 1: know what the crazy ship is. Now what happens is
Speaker 1: you know someone because I'm gonna do the same thing
Speaker 1: to be so I'm gonna take Nori. But the first
Speaker 1: time you ever heard slime in the music business, that's me.
Speaker 1: And now you hear that, you copy right that ship.
Speaker 1: I ain't feeling reason to copyright that ship. We was
Speaker 1: using it as a joke. My boy, my boy. He
Speaker 1: was saying, Yo, he's gonna go to get a pepper
Speaker 1: dime sandwich. I said, pepper din, I said that sound
Speaker 1: like pepper Brody. I don't want that ship. Nigger came back.
Speaker 1: It was a turkey and chas I said, they I
Speaker 1: don't eat turkey, don't eat palk. I said, well, let
Speaker 1: me get a piece. He said, nigga, you slime. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's how the language all this ship, these things they
Speaker 1: a criminate to blood language and then Clinican this this game. Listen,
Speaker 1: that's bullshit. She was made up on the last There
Speaker 1: ain't street of medicine. Pepper died Turkey and cheap sandwich,
Speaker 1: real ship. So I feel I've been the victim. They
Speaker 1: took jump off from me, and they took hate rade
Speaker 1: for me. Here's a whole words of me. Then I
Speaker 1: take my name and take but this is the same
Speaker 1: as action. So I feel you brothers, my brother, Yo,
Speaker 1: Rick ross Man, We've been trying to get get you
Speaker 1: here forever. Man, you're a real legend. We've been trying
Speaker 1: to hit each other. Yeah, yes, yes, man, And you
Speaker 1: know what. You know that that's how that's how the
Speaker 1: Lord works. On your birthday, you got a chance to
Speaker 1: sit down with us and salute to have a couple
Speaker 1: of Man, Yo, let me just tell you something that
Speaker 1: he said, brother, what load all legends overhead man, and
Speaker 1: you are a pure, certified legend. I love your story.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that so many people let me
Speaker 1: just tell you about you. So many people would have
Speaker 1: folded and said, you know what, I'm going home, I'm
Speaker 1: going under under the cracks, and not have told your story.
Speaker 1: So many people are scared is speaking about the c
Speaker 1: I So many people are scared of speak about the
Speaker 1: conscious and all that. The fact that you're in the
Speaker 1: front line and just letting people know, Look, this is
Speaker 1: my life. This is real. This ain't no, this ain't
Speaker 1: no motherfuckering made up story. This is real life. And
Speaker 1: that's that's real. Shift. I salute you, I commend you,
Speaker 1: and I want to say that you know everyone shs
Speaker 1: to salute you and commend you mad because you've been
Speaker 1: through it. Said he introduced us years ago. Our X
Speaker 1: brought me by your way. He's the one that brought
Speaker 1: me by. That's my little guy. Remember tennis balls from
Speaker 1: Trust Everything and you you know your mother is a legend.
Speaker 1: Um you're soon to be legend. I love what you're
Speaker 1: doing on the street. Three episodes Tomorrow Monday, Tomorrow Monday night.
Speaker 1: Give up company to giving me some company. Man, So listen, man,
Speaker 1: I think both of your brothers we're coming through. Man.
Speaker 1: Get a couple of drops, streak check the entire the room,
Speaker 1: bum with Get him as the t