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Speaker 1: entering the dealership, the dealership technician his time was dropped

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Speaker 1: down to three tenths that he had to diagnose, to

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Speaker 1: diagnose and analyze that. So that's the manufacturer is already

432
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Speaker 1: devalued the skilled technician, and so he's he's disincentivized anybody

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Speaker 1: from attaining that higher level of knowledge. Talk about I

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Speaker 1: T N. What is it. You know, there's people out

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Speaker 1: there and understand our audiences technician, shop owner, harry, homeowner

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Speaker 1: and consumers, you know, talk about I A t N

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Speaker 1: and and how this whole thing got started. Sure, um

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Speaker 1: so i TN was founded in and if you think

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Speaker 1: back to five and where the internet was, the internet

440
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Speaker 1: was just getting started. If if you looked back then,

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Speaker 1: it was a miracle if you could get a picture

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Speaker 1: on a web page to display Oh yeah, we were

443
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Speaker 1: on dial up, right, yeah, we're on dial up. So

444
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Speaker 1: primarily we were using email communication to chat back and

445
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Speaker 1: forth solving problems, talking about shop management issues, industry issues.

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Speaker 1: It's evolved now to eight thousand members from a hundred

447
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Speaker 1: and seventy two different countries and guys that are collaborating.

448
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Speaker 1: They're opening up trouble tickets on uh, you know, problem vehicles.

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Speaker 1: The community is solving those problems. Uh. There's a number

450
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Speaker 1: of forums in there where there's a technical discussion taking

451
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Speaker 1: place on best practices on how to use tools and equipment, uh,

452
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Speaker 1: industry issues, shop management issues, all the all the trends

453
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Speaker 1: that are happening in the industry are being discussed in

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Speaker 1: real time amongst you know, our peers and and we're

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Speaker 1: seeing some trends happening. Now. We're seeing that every everything

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Speaker 1: that we just talked about in the beginning of this session,

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Speaker 1: you know, is coming to a to a hit here,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to make some changes in the industry.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you know when you when you look

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Speaker 1: at I t in and what it brings to the table.

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Speaker 1: And I talked to shop owners and they go, I A, who, Um,

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Speaker 1: you can they survive without something like And you know

463
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Speaker 1: you've got a You've got a vested interest in a sense,

464
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Speaker 1: but this is a passion. This is a labor of

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Speaker 1: love for you. You don't do this. It's not just

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Speaker 1: about the money. It's again the industry dragging them kicking

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Speaker 1: and screaming by their heels. Fixed the car right. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, as as a stakeholder in the industry, I'm

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Speaker 1: a shop owner, I'm a technician. Um. You know, our

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Speaker 1: guys stay up to date by collaborating with with like

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Speaker 1: minded individuals. Okay, if we look at the membership base

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Speaker 1: that we have in the United States, we're only ten

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Speaker 1: of the workforce according to the Beer of Labor Statistics.

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Speaker 1: That's a very sad stat That means that there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that just don't simply know who

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Speaker 1: we are or there's even a space for them to

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Speaker 1: um better their skill set. And I'm not suggesting we

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Speaker 1: do this, but Monday, no mechanics go to work, does

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Speaker 1: the country stop? Potentially there could be a there could

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Speaker 1: be a big challenge. And and you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I mentioned in my discussion is that

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Speaker 1: the layers of technology, most of those are there to

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Speaker 1: support safety systems on these automobiles. And it's imperative that

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Speaker 1: these things get assembled and put back together and calibrated

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Speaker 1: so that that vehicle goes back out in the road

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Speaker 1: the same way it was intended by the manufacturer. All

487
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Speaker 1: those clips are there for a reason. All those bolts

488
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Speaker 1: are those little it was only a penny screw, trust me,

489
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Speaker 1: they put that penny screw on the car for a reason.

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Speaker 1: It's it's got to go back UM. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's an issue. In our last two minutes, Scott Brown,

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Speaker 1: I a t N talk about the needs. What is

493
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Speaker 1: what does the industry need right now today from this

494
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Speaker 1: moment going forward. I think really I need some I

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Speaker 1: think we need some incentive UM right now. If a

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Speaker 1: technician is going to school. He may be told that

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Speaker 1: he can expect to make fifty dollars a year or

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Speaker 1: some some number. That's not reality, and it really should be.

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Speaker 1: But it's just not there yet. And do you think

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Speaker 1: that's because the consumer is resistive to it or the

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Speaker 1: industry is a you know, it's which is gonna which

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Speaker 1: is gonna happen? The chicken or the egg. What's gonna

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Speaker 1: come first? Is the industry just gonna say this is

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Speaker 1: the this is the benchmark, here's the dollar figure. Or

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Speaker 1: the consumer are gonna go, I just want to get

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Speaker 1: my car fixed. Here's the here's the number. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think the consumer just simply does not have the knowledge

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Speaker 1: of how complex or automobile is and the skill set

509
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Speaker 1: needed to properly attend to two issues on the vehicle. Right,

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Speaker 1: And I think we're gonna be either in for a

511
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Speaker 1: route awakening or industry needs to get together and raise

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Speaker 1: the bar and make this more of a career instead

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Speaker 1: of a J O B. Right, this is not an

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Speaker 1: eight to five job Monday through Friday. This is ah

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Speaker 1: This is a twelve fourteen hour a day, six seven

516
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Speaker 1: day a week job. Unfortunately, this is a career. This

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Speaker 1: is the way it is. That's right, and as a

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Speaker 1: as a technician is is maturing, they should be continually

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Speaker 1: improving their skill set. And they do that in their

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Speaker 1: off time. I mean they're reading articles. Doctors do that,

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Speaker 1: Dennis do that, other professions. I mean, there's there's no

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Speaker 1: reason that you know, we should have this this uh,

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Speaker 1: this career devalued in the way it is today. One

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Speaker 1: thing I always say anytime somebody comes in and they say,

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Speaker 1: you know, my card does this, this and this, and

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Speaker 1: I say, fine, it's an hour of diagnostic time. If

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Speaker 1: you fix the problem, Does that mean you don't charge

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Speaker 1: me for the hour diagnosis? And I say, I want

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Speaker 1: to see you walk into a doctor and tell him that,

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Speaker 1: you know, before he figures out that your hip needs

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Speaker 1: to be replaced, I'm not charging you for the X

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Speaker 1: ray and to figure out that the hip needs to

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Speaker 1: be done. So I think that we need to look

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Speaker 1: at it from that perspective, because we should issue a

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Speaker 1: battery of tests. You know, the condition warrants these tests.

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Speaker 1: We neither validate what's going on and then move forward

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00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: for our shop owners and technicians out there that have

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Speaker 1: interests that want to be part of the A T

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Speaker 1: and community Scott. What's the website? I a t N

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Speaker 1: dot net. Beautiful, Scott Brown. We appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 1: Run in any of the Car Doctor live with the

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Speaker 1: TST Big Event in Westchester. We're back right after this. Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. We're here at the TST Big Event in

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Speaker 1: west Chester. Run on aating the car docuate your service.

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Speaker 1: A little bit of a local flavor right now, well

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Speaker 1: local national flavor. I've reached out to Chris Olsen. He's

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Speaker 1: from Pulsinello Fuels. Yes, perfect, see that I got it right.

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Speaker 1: We were pressed. We're practicing during the post Chris walks

549
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Speaker 1: with the Car Doctor. Yep, sir, yes, sir um. We'll

550
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: dook a little bit about motor oil. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: three thousand my oil changes, and then went to five

552
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Speaker 1: thousand my oil changes, went the seven thousand my oil changes,

553
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Speaker 1: ten thousand mile oil changes. And then I heard somebody

554
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Speaker 1: talking the other day about the twenty thousand mile annual

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Speaker 1: oil change. Right right, Chris, you've been selling oil for

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Speaker 1: thirty five years, and you've been selling what for thirty

557
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: five years? I started with Penns Oil and uh we

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Speaker 1: uh it's all Quaker State and Shell and I'm with

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Speaker 1: a distributor not retired from them, And and why after

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Speaker 1: all these years have you stayed with Penns Oil just

561
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Speaker 1: out of curiosity. Penzel has a great reputation, has great

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Speaker 1: market share, It's a fantastic product. Uh. When I retired

563
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Speaker 1: from Shell, Pulsonnel Fuels was one of my customers, high

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Speaker 1: class operation. And like your lapses. Absolutely so in the

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Speaker 1: thirty five years, you're you're selling oil, all right, you're

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Speaker 1: the oil salesman, New York guy. What changes have you seen?

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Speaker 1: And boy, just keep in mind we only got eight

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Speaker 1: minutes for this segment, so truly. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we first started, it was too basically two flavors,

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Speaker 1: ten thirty. Then you had the races out there thicker,

571
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Speaker 1: it was always better. Now we're down to five twenty

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Speaker 1: zero twenty even there's some six zero sixteens out there

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Speaker 1: right now. You know, you look at what oil does,

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Speaker 1: and I said this for a while. I think if

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Speaker 1: I had a chart of what oil does, the last

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Speaker 1: thing on the list is lubrication, right, I mean, obviously

577
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Speaker 1: that's what it's supposed to do, but it does so

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Speaker 1: much more. Cooling lubrication hangs your contaminants and suspension so

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Speaker 1: that the filter can filter them out a total. Like

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Speaker 1: you said, lubrication is one of the last things it does.

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Speaker 1: But a very big thing though for an old oil

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Speaker 1: man like you. Alright, not that you're a Texas oil man,

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Speaker 1: You're a motor oil man. You know. You hear these

584
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Speaker 1: people talk about the ten thousand mile in up oil

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Speaker 1: change interval from a non scientific, non chemistry standpoint. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to have that conversation today. What's your gut feeling. Well,

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00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: my guts feeling is that for most people, their cars

588
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Speaker 1: are their second biggest investments that they have in their lives,

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Speaker 1: and you want to protect that investment. And if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna protect that investment properly, you've got to go with

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Speaker 1: the O E M recommendation. So they're telling you to

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Speaker 1: change every seven thousand or six thousand, that's what you

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Speaker 1: should be changing it. And it's it's it's all in

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Speaker 1: how the oil is made, right. We start talking about

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Speaker 1: you know, every and as a kid, you know oils oil.

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Speaker 1: I watched the Beverly Hill Buildings on TV in the

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Speaker 1: sixties and I saw the oil come out of the

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Speaker 1: ground and I said, oh, that must be the Penns

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Speaker 1: oil well, and that's got to be the other guys well,

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Speaker 1: And but it's different. It's you're you're actually buying the

601
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Speaker 1: engineering that goes into that product to make it that oil. Absolutely,

602
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Speaker 1: it's all in the ad pack. These days. You've got synthetics,

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Speaker 1: you've got synthetic lends, you've got conventional, you've got high

604
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Speaker 1: milad oils. It's it's all in the ad packs that

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Speaker 1: go into the oil. So fair statement. When somebody's choosing

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Speaker 1: a Pen's oil, for example, they're buying the oil, but

607
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: they're buying the fought and the process by which that

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00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: oil came to be. Absolutely, and that thought and the

609
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: process and everything that went into it. It's it's developed

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Speaker 1: over years and years within each and every oil company.

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Speaker 1: It's not that they just put the brand out on

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Speaker 1: the shelf because it's the flavor of the day. It's

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Speaker 1: they put a lot of work into that researching. In

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Speaker 1: our last minute, Chris, I'm gonna take one off the

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Speaker 1: myth chart here. Um, can you use synthetic oil in

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Speaker 1: an older vehicle? You can use synthetic oil and an

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Speaker 1: older vehicle. A lot of people think that it will

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Speaker 1: leak through the seals, it's really as long as you

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Speaker 1: using the same viscosity. It's it's better for the engine,

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Speaker 1: it's better for low temps, better for high tempts. That's

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Speaker 1: just a menth that it's it's going to leak out faster.

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Speaker 1: That's just not true. More important to use the right

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Speaker 1: viscosity more so than anything. And again you get your

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Speaker 1: manufacturers recommendations, discuss always follow that, Chris Alsen, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: listeners go get more information. The clock is gonna take

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Speaker 1: me take out to Paulson Hello Fuels PO L S

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Speaker 1: I N E L Fuels dot com perfect and they

628
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Speaker 1: get all the information they need there or they get

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Speaker 1: out to the penzoil website. Chris Olson, we appreciate you

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Speaker 1: taking the time, busy time today here at the TST

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Speaker 1: Big Event. I'm runing any of the car Doctor. We

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Speaker 1: are back right after this. Okay, welcome back righting the

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Speaker 1: Car Doctor on his own highway here at the T

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Speaker 1: S T Big Event in Westchester County up here in Westchester,

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Speaker 1: New York, just north of New York City. I'm here

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Speaker 1: as we close out this hour with Neil Racuti that

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Speaker 1: I get that right, ut, sorry, I'm working on it.

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Speaker 1: By the by next year, we'll have this right. Neil

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Speaker 1: is a treasurer of TST, but he's also a shop owners,

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Speaker 1: as many of the T s T members are. And

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Speaker 1: they've been doing this a little while twenty seven years. Correct. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's give a plug for your shop, name

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Speaker 1: of the shop and we're that sell New York. Um,

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Speaker 1: you've been doing this a while twenty seven years. What

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Speaker 1: kind of change is my word for you? Has changes? New?

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Speaker 1: What have you seeing? Well? Changes? Uh? Everything on a

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Speaker 1: car has changed since I first started. Uh, there are

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Speaker 1: so many more parts you have to replace and uh

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Speaker 1: now it's like you have to replace a lot a

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Speaker 1: lot less parts, but you have to do a lot

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Speaker 1: more maintenance as far as I'm concerned, because that's where

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Speaker 1: that's my bread and butter, is maintaining the car. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're you're still in the game seven years later?

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Speaker 1: What got you here? I mean? You know, how do

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Speaker 1: you what that's longer? That's like being married for twenty

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Speaker 1: seven years? Well, they're they're both milestones. What kept me

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Speaker 1: in this is ts ts T. Before it was ts

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Speaker 1: T was STS and I volunteered twenty years ago, uh

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Speaker 1: to do this for guys to help them, you know,

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Speaker 1: learn more, get more educated. And I figured i'd be

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Speaker 1: part of it. And Jerry trulya If it wasn't for him,

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Speaker 1: I would not be in this business right now. So

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Speaker 1: and I've spent a lot of money on tools and

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Speaker 1: all the latest and greatest. One thing about auto repair,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty close community. Everybody seems to know everybody,

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Speaker 1: and it's a lot easier when the wolves go down

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Speaker 1: and everybody kind of helps everybody correct, you know. And

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Speaker 1: that's that's some thing I'm seeing more and more of

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Speaker 1: every year than I'm in this during this forty three

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Speaker 1: years now, and I look at it and, uh, it's

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Speaker 1: an exciting time to be in this business. Right It's

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Speaker 1: Look where it's going, Look where Look where we are,

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Speaker 1: and look where it's gonna go. Um, you know, so

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Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's just something to look forward to. Neil, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you're just like one of my brothers

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Speaker 1: across the river here, uh, fixing cars. And I want

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Speaker 1: to thank you for your efforts as well as everybody

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Speaker 1: here at T S T. And I think we're having

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Speaker 1: us today. We've got another hour of card doctor and

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Speaker 1: um to go Neil, real quick. Is there a website?

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Speaker 1: Let's give a plug. Come on, so I want to

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Speaker 1: plug TST TST is TST dot org. Perfect, good deal, Neil,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time. I'm running any of the

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Speaker 1: car Doctor, reminding you once again that good mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 1: they're priceless. Let's see you seven