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Speaker 1: back with US on Coast to Coast. Judge, Welcome back, George.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's always good to be with good people.

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Speaker 1: And may I just compliment you. You know, you're talking

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jim, I appreciate that. You know, we we

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