Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done, done, Hello, and welcome. So that's messed up an
Speaker 1: SVU podcast. I'm Kara Klank and I'm Lee's a Tragger.
Speaker 1: We talk SVU true crime, but up top we gab
Speaker 1: oh and we have celebrity guests. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I forgot we do this all the time. Okay.
Speaker 2: I do want to start by saying, last week I
Speaker 2: was so angry, but I have thought about the David
Speaker 2: Cross situation, and I think what upsets me the most
Speaker 2: is me not acting how I would normally act. It's
Speaker 2: like when you betray your true self, Like my normal
Speaker 2: self would be like, what the fuck did you just say?
Speaker 3: What's going on here? You're such an asshole?
Speaker 2: Like it's that I'm mad that I didn't act in
Speaker 2: the moment what I was feeling. It's like, that's the
Speaker 2: true thing. The betrayal to myself is what's most upsetting.
Speaker 2: And being bullied of course, but I feel.
Speaker 1: Like I also understand why you did that because you're
Speaker 1: like a guest and it's like a cancer charity and
Speaker 1: you're not trying to cause a scene and you're you're
Speaker 1: trying to meet this like hero of yours and not
Speaker 1: be you know, like I can understand why you didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was.
Speaker 2: Just thinking reflecting, I'm like, why am I? Because I
Speaker 2: kept crying, I kept tearing up like anyone I told
Speaker 2: about it. I'm like, I'm like tearing up right now.
Speaker 2: And it's like it's because of like, oh, that's not
Speaker 2: you girl, Like I should have walked over and been
Speaker 2: like what did he tell you?
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
Speaker 4: Uh? You know?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I fell into the trap. I'm just a
Speaker 2: little bunny rabbit.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you're gonna have more chances with
Speaker 1: Hanka's area as well.
Speaker 2: You will meet him again, and let's see, it's a
Speaker 2: protective order of custody. I also have another retraction and
Speaker 2: some tailor people. So I love that. The okay so
Speaker 2: I said canceled like is it a blott blake whatever?
Speaker 2: If it's about Sophie Turner, I do love that. And
Speaker 2: I just saw theory. It's two l's like the British way,
Speaker 2: so I would be very into that. I still think
Speaker 2: Father Figure is not about Scott Burdschotta, but I'll look
Speaker 2: into it more and more, and you know, I take
Speaker 2: it back.
Speaker 3: I take it back.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of comments that it was about
Speaker 1: that Scott guy, who I've never even heard of, but.
Speaker 3: That's what.
Speaker 2: My tears ricochets about him. I mean, yeah, maybe either way.
Speaker 2: I like the songs, but I do apologize that I
Speaker 2: was wrong about the theories.
Speaker 1: So I mean, who's to say who's wrong and who's
Speaker 1: right unless you hear it out of Taylor's mouth.
Speaker 3: Let me show you the cassette. Isn't this cute? Wait?
Speaker 2: Tune around like people shit okay, like people are shitting
Speaker 2: on her for like making variants the smile I got
Speaker 2: when I saw this tape, I mean, it is orange
Speaker 2: and glitter.
Speaker 3: Is that not fun? That is really fun. I love
Speaker 3: a tape.
Speaker 1: I mean I have a tape player as part of
Speaker 1: my steer system because I have my all my mixes
Speaker 1: from high school and college and I love them.
Speaker 3: I love the tape.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was listening to something on NPR about
Speaker 1: how she sold like more vinyl than like an entire
Speaker 1: record store can sell in like ten years or so.
Speaker 3: It's Elvis.
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, it's like
Speaker 2: she is like capitalists playing whatever you want to say.
Speaker 2: But like I guess so many record stores are like,
Speaker 2: we're in business because of Taylor Swift. Yeah, and instead
Speaker 2: of being mad at all the variants, maybe think about,
Speaker 2: like why her fans want to spend this money so bad?
Speaker 2: I bought that tape before she released the name of
Speaker 2: the album.
Speaker 3: Or and here's the deal, here's the thing I wanted
Speaker 3: to No one forced me, no one.
Speaker 1: For Yeah, she's her or her label or whatever is
Speaker 1: spending the money to make all the variants. If people
Speaker 1: don't buy them, they eat that cost. If people buy them,
Speaker 1: they buy them, Like I don't know, like people obviously
Speaker 1: want the stuff. So this is the capitalism society that
Speaker 1: we've all had. But the thing is, I was a
Speaker 1: giant backstrip boy fan. I had a piggy bank, I
Speaker 1: had folders, I had notebooks, I had Halter tops, I.
Speaker 2: Had anything you can name I got. I had everything backstreet.
Speaker 2: That is part of our culture. I guess, I don't know,
Speaker 2: being psycho, but yeah, also, like her twelve songs on
Speaker 2: Life of a Showgirl, combined have more streams than all
Speaker 2: the rest of the eighty eight songs on the Billboard
Speaker 2: one hundred combined.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's so crazy. It's really crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's got a choke hold on an audience
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's yeah, it's nuts.
Speaker 3: That's really those numbers are nuts. Well, I did so
Speaker 3: a couple episodes ago.
Speaker 2: I was filling Karen I Love, I mean, I'm a
Speaker 2: lost culture SEUs girly and that they got bumped from
Speaker 2: their studio because of Malala.
Speaker 3: And then Malala did.
Speaker 2: Like a disc tick talk not really like funny, yeah,
Speaker 2: but of like working out, So if you want to
Speaker 2: do that lore. So then my friend Drew Anderson books
Speaker 2: me on like a trivia show he's working on, and
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Then I get a text, Love, we
Speaker 2: have to bump you this week for celeb question because
Speaker 2: we randomly booked Malala.
Speaker 1: Lol, We'll get you another week. It's like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck you?
Speaker 3: You texted me.
Speaker 1: This while we were talking about the blue note thing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, the guy's saying he's bumping you
Speaker 1: for Malala.
Speaker 3: This man is insane.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Shockingly, the Malala thing is real, but it's separate, but
Speaker 2: the man from Springfield, Missouri has not paid me yet
Speaker 2: for my God.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. But this episode's coming out Halloween week.
Speaker 1: I'll be in Baltimore. Come see me in Baltimore this
Speaker 1: weekend at the Port Call Money Club to see what
Speaker 1: she's wearing. Spooky You're shows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I went to Halloween Horror Nights last night at Universal Studios,
Speaker 1: my third time going in my life. I went in
Speaker 1: like twenty nineteen, then I think I went again in
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty two or three, and then I went
Speaker 1: this year. But this year I went VIP for the
Speaker 1: first time ever, and it was I'm talking with your
Speaker 1: celeb print, Yes, because I got mad at you last
Speaker 1: time because you went with different people when you had
Speaker 1: access to the VIP and I remember getting very upset
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: No, I've never been VIP there before.
Speaker 2: I know because he invited you, but you already had
Speaker 2: plans to go with our other friends.
Speaker 3: And I said, you're you're a dumbo. Oh I'm so stupid,
Speaker 3: and you're right.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're not gonna go with this famous
Speaker 1: ass motherfucker. Now that I've done it. Yeah, Oh my
Speaker 1: supid like when I went that year. When I went
Speaker 1: that year, No, you're fully valvating everything. When I went
Speaker 1: that year, I mean I think we went to three
Speaker 1: hunted houses because every line is like at least an hour,
Speaker 1: like they oh, I think they overbook the park, like
Speaker 1: they shouldn't book as many. I know it's whatever, it's capitalism,
Speaker 1: but like it's too the lines are wild. So this
Speaker 1: was like not just express past. It was like we
Speaker 1: had a tour guide. We had a guide taking us
Speaker 1: through and that was just great. Like we went to
Speaker 1: every single haunted house. We went on rides. I had
Speaker 1: never gone on rides at Universal before because like, I've
Speaker 1: only been to Universal to go to horror nights. I've
Speaker 1: never been during the day, Simpsons ride anything like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to go on the Simpsons ride, but
Speaker 1: I went on the Harry Potter ride. The way my
Speaker 1: face lit up on that fucking Harry Potter ride, my
Speaker 1: husband was about to throw up all.
Speaker 3: Over the place. I was having the time of my life.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm playing quidditch with Harry Potter and
Speaker 1: I hate JK.
Speaker 3: Rowling. This is not an endorsement of JK. Rowling.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the way they do shit with rides
Speaker 1: there where it's more screens, like kind of tricking you
Speaker 1: into thinking that you're on a roller coaster as opposed
Speaker 1: to being on a roller coaster is cool. Like someone
Speaker 1: was telling me last night. One of our friends that
Speaker 1: was with me was like, Oh, my friends that live
Speaker 1: in other parts of the world said that, like the
Speaker 1: US is so far behind, like on amusement parks, like
Speaker 1: compared to other parts of the world.
Speaker 2: Where they don't even have tech knowledge. We don't even
Speaker 2: have trains. I know, I don't even have high powered trains.
Speaker 2: Do you think we're gonna have a roller coaster techno?
Speaker 1: Well, the thing with high power trains is that people
Speaker 1: aren't gonna use them because we're car culture.
Speaker 3: But I think people will go to amusement.
Speaker 2: Car culture because the car people lobbyists spend the money
Speaker 2: to make exactly and ruin our lives astly.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: No, it's all bullshit, But the the rides were cool.
Speaker 1: We did a Mario cart ride where we got to
Speaker 1: shoot little like it's all three D You're wearing like
Speaker 1: these three D things and you're shooting like bad guys.
Speaker 3: And then what other ride did we do? We did
Speaker 3: one more ride?
Speaker 1: Uh oh my god, I'm oh oh it was Transformers.
Speaker 3: That was fun too, but it was great.
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta say, I don't think I need
Speaker 1: to go now for like four more years.
Speaker 3: Like I don't think I need to go again.
Speaker 1: Like it it's a lot, Like it's humongous.
Speaker 3: I think I walked five miles. Nice.
Speaker 1: You check your steps? Check your steps? I know I
Speaker 1: should check my steps. What I do my health? Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: what do I do? I go to health on here?
Speaker 1: Seventeen thousand wow, seventeen thousand steps yesterday. I mean it's crazy,
Speaker 1: you're like walking all over the place, so right, because.
Speaker 2: Ten thousand steps is what you want? Yeah, no, that's
Speaker 2: like an incredible amount of steps.
Speaker 6: I knew.
Speaker 3: I mean I wanted to hear the number, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: It was like today, I'm like dead, like but we
Speaker 1: went into every haunted house. I mean, I don't really
Speaker 1: get that scared in those haunted houses. Like for some reason,
Speaker 1: I can just see when the people are coming out,
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't scare me. One one girl got
Speaker 1: me good in this one house, but and I screamed.
Speaker 1: But then it's just like a lot of houses, like
Speaker 1: Casey's going to know all these movies, but there's like
Speaker 1: a Terrifier house, you know, Terrifier Lisa.
Speaker 3: Only because Katya talks about it NonStop.
Speaker 1: She talks about it so much that I've had to
Speaker 1: I've had to go forward thirty seconds because.
Speaker 2: You know, why else I know about it. Annie Letterman's
Speaker 2: in the third one or something. I know, I shot up, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like because he likes Calm. I think he's I think
Speaker 2: she's in it. Yeah, Annie's a Verify three. So that's
Speaker 2: how I knew about it, because she's chatting about it hilarious.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, does she get murdered? I wonder? I
Speaker 3: mean I bet, I mean the way talks about these murders.
Speaker 1: These movies are like it's like the most horrific shit
Speaker 1: you can see. I think like they, like my friend
Speaker 1: was saying, like, yeah, they just really linger on like
Speaker 1: all of the gore, like for a long time, Like
Speaker 1: it's really nasty. But I went in the house for it,
Speaker 1: you know, too much for me, too much, like a
Speaker 1: lot of it.
Speaker 3: I think it was your group. It was it just
Speaker 3: the four of you guys. We were eleven people.
Speaker 1: Oh my god eleven VIPs just yeah, and that because
Speaker 1: one person canceled. But it was like yeah, and we
Speaker 1: had this like guy with us who was like really
Speaker 1: into Universal and like proud to work there, and he
Speaker 1: like took us around. He like had lived in Chicago
Speaker 1: and a lot of people with us were Chicago comics
Speaker 1: so like or people, so he was like talking everybody
Speaker 1: about Chicago and like it was great. It was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just nice. I wanted to eat. I stupidly
Speaker 1: didn't eat before I went, so that was dumb. But
Speaker 1: because then, like they can't vip you through lines for food.
Speaker 1: My friend said that in past years they've taken you
Speaker 1: to like some kind of cafeteria where you like sit
Speaker 1: for an hour and.
Speaker 3: That's like the like that's the VIP thing.
Speaker 1: But this year that wasn't part of it this year,
Speaker 1: and I think everybody was fine with that. I just
Speaker 1: was like, I wish I could just grab like a
Speaker 1: piece of pizza, But did you get food? Starving? I
Speaker 1: just ate at midnight when I got home. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: I finally decided I'm gonna buy groceries. You just reminded
Speaker 2: me because this is what happened. I went to get
Speaker 2: a sandwich, and I wasn't really in the mood for
Speaker 2: any what I wanted and this is creepy whatever, maybe
Speaker 2: it's weird. I wanted like a cheese panini with just
Speaker 2: peppers and onions, so kind of like a filly cheese
Speaker 2: steak without the meat like I just wanted to and
Speaker 2: a Gatorade zero And it was eighteen dollars And I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, I think I got to start buying groceries.
Speaker 3: That's how much for you to have around.
Speaker 2: That's more expensive than my sushi spot where I get
Speaker 2: sushi for lunch, Like that's more. But to me it's
Speaker 2: also also if it was like a giant hero that
Speaker 2: I could say for lunch the next day and it
Speaker 2: was filled with like meats and she's all this stuff,
Speaker 2: like I probably wouldn't really clock it. But the fact
Speaker 2: that it was just like I got American pepper jack
Speaker 2: bell peppers and onions and a gatorade and it being
Speaker 2: eighteen kind of really bothered me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't worth well.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like my bodega closed because
Speaker 1: they're just raised the rents. I caught, like you can't
Speaker 1: pay these New York rents selling sandwiches, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like alcohol is what makes most restaurants their money.
Speaker 3: Like, so I feel bad for these.
Speaker 1: Places, Like I think that there's not going to be
Speaker 1: things keep going in this trajectory for New York, which
Speaker 1: hopefully with the new leadership that's probably coming in it
Speaker 1: will change. But like, you know, you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to get a piece of pizza without walking to
Speaker 1: like a totally different neighborhood. I feel like, or it's
Speaker 1: gonna be one thousand dollars, but what I can't even
Speaker 1: talk A new pizza place just open in my neighborhood
Speaker 1: where it's thirty dollars for for like a pizza bye,
Speaker 1: Like so you know it's everywhere, but like a but
Speaker 1: if it was, it was just like, yeah, I just couldn't.
Speaker 1: Are you into seeing this movie after the Hunt?
Speaker 3: I haven't heard of it. It's Julia Roberts and I.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe doing the press.
Speaker 2: Yeah I've seen the press. I didn't realize, oh pupils.
Speaker 2: Yeah I probably not, probably not, probably not, but I
Speaker 2: would maybe. Yeah, I still have to see one Battle
Speaker 2: Aft or another. I can't even And it's so baby
Speaker 2: and it's spooky season like this is not what I'm
Speaker 2: doing right now. I'm not after the hunting, but I'm
Speaker 2: a fan. I'm a fan. I'll do Oh Choe seven battle.
Speaker 2: You gotta see one battle so fucking good. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy this, I mean he did Challengers. He did
Speaker 2: you know call me by your name? The director?
Speaker 3: Yeh, oh my god. Okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm at soul cycle today and the teacher goes, hey,
Speaker 2: I've been playing this is our final song. She's like,
Speaker 2: I've been playing the song almost every day this week,
Speaker 2: and I keep getting requests for it.
Speaker 3: So I'm playing it again.
Speaker 2: And it's the from the Oppenheimer it's the Oppenheimer like soundtrack,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, are we really doing this again?
Speaker 3: And we did. We did spin to it on Sunday.
Speaker 2: But it's just like music from the soundtrack from the
Speaker 2: movie Oppenheimer. And I'm just instrumental or did somebody remix
Speaker 2: it to be more gay what happened? No, it's instrumental.
Speaker 2: It's just from the movie. I didn't see Oppenheimer, so
Speaker 2: I can't really tell you, like what part.
Speaker 3: I can't really tell you what bops there are from Oppenheimer,
Speaker 3: like woa, and.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe that people are dming her requesting
Speaker 2: more Oppenheimer, and she did play it Sunday, but I
Speaker 2: was like, I yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That is hilarious.
Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, the bomb's about to go off, everybody
Speaker 1: turn it up. What the fun because she used to
Speaker 1: play a lot of the Challengers soundtrack.
Speaker 2: But that's really sexy. Yeah, that's sexy, fun, upbeat. It's tennis,
Speaker 2: so like it's different than this Oppenheimer movie.
Speaker 3: But like weal, yeah, I've been spinning when you go
Speaker 3: next time?
Speaker 1: Will you please find out the name of the track,
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at the track.
Speaker 3: She posts playlists.
Speaker 1: I'll the track names are hilarious, Like one is Kitty
Speaker 1: comes to Testify, one is what have We Done?
Speaker 3: Another is Atmospheric Ignition.
Speaker 1: I need to know which one you guys are sweating
Speaker 1: it out to at Soul Cycle.
Speaker 3: This is so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, she hasn't posted, uh, the the playlist yet, but
Speaker 1: I'll make sure the screenshot will post it or like
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it next week or something.
Speaker 3: Yes, please let me know. That is hilarious.
Speaker 1: Also, because I'm still out here telling everybody in California
Speaker 1: to vote Yes, I'm prop fifty. You still have five
Speaker 1: You have six more days till election day? Now, will
Speaker 1: you have a week because this comes out on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: election days in one week, Please go vote.
Speaker 3: Yes I'm fifty.
Speaker 1: Because we talked to an activist did I went to
Speaker 1: a postcarding event for this and like wrote postcards to
Speaker 1: people to vote yes I'm fifty. And she was saying, like,
Speaker 1: if you put no ICE signs and you make a
Speaker 1: yes I'm fifty sign, it shows people that you're a
Speaker 1: good pert, like you actually is yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it's like okay, but you're yes I'm fifty, but who
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: Like, and so if it's like you make people know
Speaker 1: that you also want the fucking fake police out of
Speaker 1: your city. And I love all the prank I love
Speaker 1: the pranking though. I love that they're they're blasting music
Speaker 1: outside their hotels. I love that they're trying to make
Speaker 1: ice people's lives miserable. It's really making my that's that's
Speaker 1: my small amount of self. I got to be egging
Speaker 1: these guys like things need to be happening.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm and want them. I don't know, I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's like, yeah, really is it bad in
Speaker 3: New York, Like, are you now? I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've writ that video.
Speaker 2: Watching Chicago and Portland, I feel like, yeah, but if
Speaker 2: mom Zannie wins, like fucking, who knows what's going to
Speaker 2: happen here?
Speaker 3: It's seeming like that's happening. He's got a way. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think so. I just don't want to. I can't.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen. I know, I know.
Speaker 1: We can't count on fucking anything these days, except you
Speaker 1: can count on us to give you order SVO. We're here,
Speaker 1: We're here. I haven't watched the latest. Oh big news
Speaker 1: for me canceling my cable as of this recording. As
Speaker 1: of this recording, my cable will have been shut off yesterday.
Speaker 1: And what me, What's happened? I'm you know, I've been
Speaker 1: researching this morning. I was literally researching, going, how do
Speaker 1: you keep track of all the TV shows that you watch?
Speaker 1: Because now that I'm getting rid of my DVR, like,
Speaker 1: you know, all my Housewives that I haven't watched are
Speaker 1: just sitting there, you know, And if I miss one,
Speaker 1: like or if I miss a recording of something, I can
Speaker 1: just go back and it'll record the next time it
Speaker 1: comes on. So now I have to just be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what day of the week is it? What comes out?
Speaker 1: So I'm looking up some apps. If anyone has any
Speaker 1: ideas on Peacock.
Speaker 3: That's easy fix.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: But it's just like I will, I don't. I just
Speaker 1: forget to like go into Peacock, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I want to be like, oh, today's Thursday. That means
Speaker 1: there's a new salt Lake from yesterday or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: that's incorrect, but you know what I mean, some more
Speaker 1: work into a dexter. Since last time I spoke, no,
Speaker 1: I'm on like episode seven. I'm getting deep in. Yeah, yes, no,
Speaker 1: I told you last time I met, I met all
Speaker 1: the main people. I met all the big the crew,
Speaker 1: the party, I met the cow and Eric stone Street
Speaker 1: is really making me laugh. He's a great he's a
Speaker 1: great casting for that. I mean, it's a fun it's
Speaker 1: a fun idea edible. He really is such a good
Speaker 1: actor and so funny. And I learned he won three Emmys,
Speaker 1: so that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh and when I was telling you about David dest Meulchin,
Speaker 1: did you mention that he Yeah, so I finally saw him.
Speaker 1: Great twist in that story, right, great fucking twist, and.
Speaker 3: They nailed that.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see him at a party and
Speaker 1: be like Gemini, Oh.
Speaker 3: My god, tell him, I say hi, Tell him, I
Speaker 3: say hi. Oh.
Speaker 2: Also, I did meet at one of our listeners on
Speaker 2: the train platform. They were here on vacation, but like
Speaker 2: a tricksy sweater where the sweater is Trixy's face, and
Speaker 2: so I went, I love your sweater and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's tricksy, and I go truly very RECOGNI yeah, of
Speaker 2: course it's tricksy. Who could it be? Who else could
Speaker 2: it be? Oh my god, Zoey de Chanel And I'm like,
Speaker 2: is it Katie Perry. It's like this person is so
Speaker 2: it just made me laugh. I'm like, yeah, I could
Speaker 2: tell yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: What do you think? Should we get started? We should?
Speaker 2: We should make sure you listen to the spin. You
Speaker 2: have to watch Barbarian for Halloween.
Speaker 3: You you have to. I'm going too sick of it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm gonn watch Barbarian And we're gonna
Speaker 1: do a full recap, so spoilers don't like. Everybody, get ready,
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Barbarian. Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, it'll
Speaker 1: be another weapons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's I mean, yeah, if you want
Speaker 2: to watch Barbarian and watch it. I think if you
Speaker 2: like this podcast, you like the content, you like SVU,
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Love You're gonna like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if it pushes you a little bit past
Speaker 2: your comfort and fear stuff, It's worth it.
Speaker 3: It's worth it. Okay, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of already know a lot of
Speaker 1: what happens, because I did have my husband explain to
Speaker 1: me the plot word for word.
Speaker 3: But that was your show.
Speaker 1: So I'm ready to watch it with my own eyes
Speaker 1: and absorb it and except close them at all of
Speaker 1: the parts that are scary.
Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 3: I was about to say, who do you who?
Speaker 2: But it is Rape Interrupted Season eighteen, Episode six came
Speaker 2: out October twenty sixteen, before we knew our lives would
Speaker 2: change into a fascist dictator nightmare just days before. I mean, truly,
Speaker 2: what a time this. When this aired, we were just
Speaker 2: dealing with a rape interrupted. No, this is a horrific episode.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been avoiding doing this and this
Speaker 2: case I have not wanted to. It enrages me. I
Speaker 2: know all episodes are tough, but like this like infuriates me.
Speaker 2: I'd avoid it. I message, you don't make you gotta
Speaker 2: do the crime. But then I was watching the whole
Speaker 2: episode being like, honestly, I'm pissed now too, Like I
Speaker 2: would have been pissed either way, but we had to
Speaker 2: do it. And you'll know why if you're a real listener. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's fall there's a hey, vibe Garland on the door.
Speaker 2: That's how I know that it's fall context clue. So
Speaker 2: a man who is you know, he's annoying for sure,
Speaker 2: we don't trust him immediately. And he's holding flowers and
Speaker 2: he's knocking in a suit and his name is Corey
Speaker 2: Cott and he's the new detective Jake Griffin. If you're
Speaker 2: watching season twenty seven, and I will say, is IMDb
Speaker 2: photo pretty hot, a little cheesy, but hot.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's hot.
Speaker 1: Im It's kind of crazy because you're going to find
Speaker 1: out that his last name on this episode is Griffin.
Speaker 3: Oh crazy, and his name is Jake Griffin.
Speaker 1: Like you would think you would just change the Jake Griffiths,
Speaker 1: like make it close but not the same, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I wonder it's quite crazy. But it was crazy
Speaker 1: because I watched, you know, the season twenty seven Episode'm like,
Speaker 1: he's played a rapist before. I wonder which one, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was like more frat vibes. And then
Speaker 1: I got to watch this like a moment later, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, cool, what a blessing to be
Speaker 1: able to pinpoint the rapist from the episode. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they've kept him in the same family he's the evil
Speaker 1: twin of the new detective.
Speaker 2: I guess, and okay, so his name is Ellis and
Speaker 2: a woman oggs him, and then a man's there and
Speaker 2: who is at Anthony Edwards? And he's in flannel they
Speaker 2: have you know, and there's wine. He got a promotion.
Speaker 2: He's going to be Goldman Sachs newest fixed income trader.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine celebrating something more boring and evil. Okay,
Speaker 2: So Anthony Edwards is so proud of him. Mom hugs him.
Speaker 2: His phone buzzes and he's distracted. You know, it's Halloween weekend,
Speaker 2: and it's like I fucking knew it. So then the
Speaker 2: dad is a buzzkill and goes, don't get too shit faced.
Speaker 2: We have to clean the garage out tomorrow. So I
Speaker 2: guess the celebration ends quickly, and then he goes unless
Speaker 2: you're too big time for that, and they all look
Speaker 2: giggle and cheers. So now from this cheers with his parents.
Speaker 2: We're at a red solo cup Vibe. He's in a
Speaker 2: polo shirt dancing. There are girls, they're slutty pirates. There's
Speaker 2: a slutty mouse and he's just in a polo and don't.
Speaker 3: I don't like that. I don't like if you're not
Speaker 3: dressing it.
Speaker 2: So then he's especially because you made it a big deal,
Speaker 2: like this is this big party weekend. You can't even
Speaker 2: put on an angel thing on your head. So he
Speaker 2: sees a cute girl walks over to introduce himself, and
Speaker 2: he like is ignoring the in that she's with, and like, listen,
Speaker 2: you just as a human rule, you have to acknowledge
Speaker 2: everyone around you, even if you don't want to have
Speaker 2: sex with them.
Speaker 3: And that's just like something that I believe in. So
Speaker 3: then this actress, you won't believe who it is.
Speaker 2: It is John Hamm's wife, Anna Asciola, and she is
Speaker 2: an actress. She's in this episode and we did book
Speaker 2: her because of the Comedy Seller night at the Comedy
Speaker 2: Seller whatever.
Speaker 3: The John ham evening, and.
Speaker 2: We're very excited and I'm so excited that we got
Speaker 2: to talk to her. Yeah, this is the first time
Speaker 2: we've revealed a guest before it's happened. Do you guys
Speaker 2: care as anyone has anyone not looked at anything in
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 1: Leave a scathing review on Spotify if you hate that
Speaker 1: we spoiled this two minutes into the episode.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I did meet her, I did keep
Speaker 3: staring at her face. We have talked.
Speaker 2: She was an sview and that is how we got
Speaker 2: to do this episode that I've been avoiding forever because
Speaker 2: it infuriates me.
Speaker 3: So an amazing performance.
Speaker 2: So the girls they go to dance without him, they're
Speaker 2: not that interested, but she kind of it, you know.
Speaker 2: She looks over to him and tells her cousin like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's cute, and he has a sight set on her
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 3: So then they start.
Speaker 2: Flirting and she asks if he's dressed as Jordan's spife.
Speaker 2: I googled you that is it is a professional golfer,
Speaker 2: which is insane when you go, are you being a golfer?
Speaker 2: Like who knows who Jordan's spyfe is? It's yes, Oh
Speaker 2: he gives a shit, Oh you know who it is?
Speaker 2: Who you would go up to someone and go, you're
Speaker 2: Jordan's speif wouldn't you say Tiger Wood?
Speaker 3: Like that is Tiger Woods is the very bad I know.
Speaker 6: He was very big for a very small period of time,
Speaker 6: but it is.
Speaker 1: Odd Tiger Woods is the only famous golfer I could
Speaker 1: think of, or maybe don't Rory something I don't know Farmer,
Speaker 1: John Daily, John Daly, Yeah, the drink.
Speaker 2: And there's like a girl, there's a girl that was good.
Speaker 2: There was one Asian girl. I remember Tiger Woods Michelle Wee,
Speaker 2: Michelle Wee.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Golfers are just not getting in
Speaker 1: my head by name. I'm trying to when they win
Speaker 1: the big thing, even when they win the Masters or whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm not remembering.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think if I know one more golfer.
Speaker 3: There's a guy named Rory mccacklan. Is that Rory McElroy.
Speaker 3: Rory McElroy. There we go.
Speaker 2: I don't know you were such a golf fiend, Casey.
Speaker 2: This is actually pretty shot it.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm a sporto, I know sports, and those are
Speaker 6: all very famous golfers.
Speaker 3: I think I've blocked that out.
Speaker 2: All right, we're here whatever, so that okay, okay, pay attention,
Speaker 2: like now, listen this.
Speaker 3: He asks her do you like golf? She says no?
Speaker 1: So he's that famous that a girl, a young twenty
Speaker 1: something knows who he is.
Speaker 3: Like the man what man wrote this? Yeah? This is
Speaker 3: a guy. This is a guy wrote this episode. Fucking
Speaker 3: man wrote this.
Speaker 1: I also just looked it up. This episode written by
Speaker 1: two women, Julie Martin and Brienna Yellen. Yeah, wild wild.
Speaker 1: Maybe they love golf, these women.
Speaker 3: I don't know. So he's not Jordan Speed. He's just
Speaker 3: dressed like himself.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: He won a FedEx cup? Like, how good can it
Speaker 2: be if it's called the FedEx Cup?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh, he has two million followers. Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: he's an under armored.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, eh, I can see if you were
Speaker 2: like raised, you know in Alabama.
Speaker 3: I don't know, no, not not for me. We have
Speaker 3: to move on though.
Speaker 1: This guy looks like he's we just got a move Like,
Speaker 1: I wonder how the Jordan Speed podcast?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: So anyways, how do you know? Okay, I can't.
Speaker 2: I thought all my notes are like, why are we
Speaker 2: talking about this golfer?
Speaker 3: They meet on the dance floor.
Speaker 2: Cut to him knocking on a bathroom door and just
Speaker 2: walking in and she's puking in the sink and she's
Speaker 2: not doing well. And I would like to mention that
Speaker 2: earlier while they were flirting, like she was trying to
Speaker 2: pour vodka but it was empty, and he got one
Speaker 2: out of the cupboard, like another handle and was like, look,
Speaker 2: I got it. So I don't think a whole handle
Speaker 2: over there could have been poisoned to like date rape
Speaker 2: the whole party.
Speaker 3: But you know, we don't really know.
Speaker 2: She could have just shrank too much, too like I
Speaker 2: don't know, but she has wasted.
Speaker 3: She calls him the wrong name. She says, it's really
Speaker 3: hot in here.
Speaker 2: He chuckles, And now it cuts to a man screaming,
Speaker 2: get away from her. What are you doing to her?
Speaker 2: And Ellis is getting aggressive towards the sky. The cops arrive.
Speaker 2: People are recording on their phones. You know, it's nighttime commotion.
Speaker 2: The guy who started to fight with him is leather
Speaker 2: jacket and Ellis. They're fighting, and Ellis goes, get the
Speaker 2: fuck out of here, and then the leather tells the
Speaker 2: cops he's raping that girl.
Speaker 3: The girl is passed out.
Speaker 2: She is out cold, Like it is really fucked watching,
Speaker 2: Like that's what's so frustrating about this episode. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, her laying there amongst the trash, clearly out cold,
Speaker 2: and it even still being a debate or question as
Speaker 2: to what it is like, that's what like extra bothers
Speaker 2: me that it's like okay, well, clearly he did it.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, I don't know. I just can't believe
Speaker 3: it's a discussion. It's like, what a fucked.
Speaker 2: World shaped world we live in that it's because it's
Speaker 2: like horrifying to see her laying there.
Speaker 3: Benson was good, okay.
Speaker 2: So now we're like, we're at work, so Benson is
Speaker 2: trying to leave, and of course, you know, unattempted rape,
Speaker 2: and we need her to stay.
Speaker 3: Carisi has him Fins in the background.
Speaker 2: The victim is at Mercy and Rollins is on her
Speaker 2: way to the hospital. Leather guy's in the background. He's
Speaker 2: obviously kind of like the sexy hero of the night,
Speaker 2: we would say, and and then Ella says he didn't
Speaker 2: witness anything and that this guy has to be mistaken.
Speaker 2: So now Cariese and him earn cement room bars and
Speaker 2: he goes, I mean, can't we what can we do
Speaker 2: to get this to go away? And Carisey goes, oh,
Speaker 2: you're not going away, You're going viral shows him the phone.
Speaker 2: It's like a photo of the girl sleeping outside near
Speaker 2: the trash. The internet is everywhere. There were people taping,
Speaker 2: and I think in his eyes he's finally like panicking like,
Speaker 2: oh fuck, fuck hook fu fuck, And we're at the
Speaker 2: credits and Benson's long bob center part is so hot.
Speaker 2: It's like such a great look. So now Benson is
Speaker 2: getting off the phone with Rollins. She's in thick framed glasses,
Speaker 2: looking amazing, and she has the scoop. The victim's name
Speaker 2: is Janie Spears, who is still unconscious, so oh she
Speaker 2: wanted it. Well, she's still unconscious, so probably not high
Speaker 2: blood alcohol. Benson walks over to Caresy in front of
Speaker 2: the spy window. She's like, I Betty claims it's consensual,
Speaker 2: and obviously that's what's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Carisee's like yeah, he saying that they just wanted to
Speaker 2: fuck in the park and the witness is wrong about
Speaker 2: what he saw and he has not made any calls
Speaker 2: to any lawyers or anybody, and he's down to talk.
Speaker 2: So Benson tells Lucy, I'm not coming home and doesn't
Speaker 2: even ask if it's okay. So then cancel your plans, bitch.
Speaker 2: I hope you're an AMC stubs member to get I mean,
Speaker 2: she probably just never makes plans. She must be saving
Speaker 2: for an early retirement, Like what, yeah, what is the situation.
Speaker 1: Or she's like a college student and this is just
Speaker 1: she just studies or something, you know, college student, we've
Speaker 1: known her for twelve years.
Speaker 3: College student, I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, we've known her for a little unless she's like
Speaker 2: a a grad college grad student, you know, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, she could be studying.
Speaker 3: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: How is her life so available for Olivia Benson at
Speaker 1: all times?
Speaker 2: Like she's getting fifty dollars an hour. Then needs to
Speaker 2: have a backup care. She needs some backup care anny.
Speaker 2: We can't yeah, trigger backup nanny.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say it. Okay, Well, Lucy doesn't have plans.
Speaker 2: So they all enter cement room bars. He declines of
Speaker 2: the coffee, so I'm like, okay, smart rapist. And then
Speaker 2: he does sip it, so he is an idiot. He
Speaker 2: says he was at a Halloween party. They met, they danced,
Speaker 2: they drank, they hung out on Coreesy's like, okay, we
Speaker 2: need details, you fucking more on he's and then he's nervous.
Speaker 3: But he's like, I'm not nervous because I did anything wrong.
Speaker 2: And there and Benson goes, okay, just slow down, just
Speaker 2: tell us what happened. So they ran into each other
Speaker 2: at the bathroom. She wanted air. They went outside. It
Speaker 2: was after midnight. She seemed drunk but fine. Benson asks,
Speaker 2: what does fine mean? He says, talking and laughing, and
Speaker 2: they were kissing. She was into it. Now we cut
Speaker 2: the leather jacket. Hot guy and he has a like
Speaker 2: long hair and an accent, and he goes, he goes,
Speaker 2: that girl was not into it. Finn asks how he
Speaker 2: can tell. He goes, she wasn't moving. He goes, I
Speaker 2: yelled at him, but he didn't do anything. So that's
Speaker 2: when I called the cops and like, fuck that guy.
Speaker 2: He was getting off on a helpless girl. He then
Speaker 2: walked over to them, and that's when Ellis stood up,
Speaker 2: zipped up his fly and said she was fine. Benson's like, okay, kissing.
Speaker 2: Then I how did it move past that? And so
Speaker 2: you know, little Ellis rapee boy is stammering and getting
Speaker 2: into it, and he goes, well, she pulled up my
Speaker 2: belt and Creasey's like, well, we want more. So then
Speaker 2: he says, she fell back on a pile of garbage
Speaker 2: bags that were stacked up, and then he fell on
Speaker 2: top of her, and then he says it felt romantic,
Speaker 2: and I just don't believe it because it is trash
Speaker 2: bags in New York City, in New York, because there's
Speaker 2: at least four rats hanging out like it is.
Speaker 3: It is a different situation.
Speaker 2: It is like a colony of little guys are running
Speaker 2: scroll like I can't, I can't, No, I'm trying to think, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was about to say maybe if it was filled
Speaker 2: with leaves, like you know, you you you piled all
Speaker 2: the leaves and you're gonna fuck up and bagged. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then yeah, they're like so excited with the clean yard.
Speaker 1: That's autumnal. That's autumble, autumnal. Outside sex that could be yeah,
Speaker 1: the butt, the bag of leaves, that could be kind
Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah, gift crap mouse coming from garbage bags
Speaker 1: while you're fucking.
Speaker 3: The water, the food in it, like everything someone could have.
Speaker 3: Someone could have puked in one of those bags. Like
Speaker 3: it is wild.
Speaker 2: And he's obviously calling it sex, and he goes, it's
Speaker 2: not great to have sex like that, but that's that's
Speaker 2: what it was to consenting adults, and Benson pushes back,
Speaker 2: you say, consenting?
Speaker 3: Did she consent?
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, we were enjoying each other, and then
Speaker 2: Benson goes, well, the British guy says that she was unconscious,
Speaker 2: and he says, maybe she fell asleep, but saying I
Speaker 2: raped her is crazy, and Chrisy says, I get why
Speaker 2: you would feel that way, and he says, because it's
Speaker 2: the truth, ask her and they're like, well we will.
Speaker 3: She just woke up, so we're going to Mercy.
Speaker 2: So Rollins is like, hey, you know while you're here,
Speaker 2: she goes, I'm an idiot, I got alcohol poisoning. Rollins
Speaker 2: explains the garbage in the park and she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's why my hair stinks. So yeah, it did smell.
Speaker 2: It was like not fresh chill garbage. And even if
Speaker 2: it stinks, it does look great, like she does have
Speaker 2: an amazing hair. This whole episode, Rollins keeps explaining what happened.
Speaker 2: She doesn't remember being there with anybody, and then she's like, well,
Speaker 2: a man, do you recall having sex? And she starts
Speaker 2: crying and saying she doesn't and that she like, she
Speaker 2: doesn't remember anything. She remembers being at the party. She's
Speaker 2: trying so hard to remember she doesn't know who she
Speaker 2: was with, and then she realizes, like oh fuck, I'm sore,
Speaker 2: Like that's why they want to do a rape kit.
Speaker 3: She's crying.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have insurance and that's sad too, like this
Speaker 2: is why the show is so good.
Speaker 3: But it's like.
Speaker 2: Her first thought is how much is the rape kit?
Speaker 2: Like but you know, Rollins lets her know no charge,
Speaker 2: but she's sad. And then the doctor comes in and goes,
Speaker 2: your cousin's here, and the cousin's been calling her like
Speaker 2: all day and night, and she's a good cousin, I feel,
Speaker 2: and she goes, Janie, you were raped and her and
Speaker 2: Rollin's are like, well, how do you know that? And
Speaker 2: she goes, it's all over the internet. So the Internet
Speaker 2: has named her garbage rape girl, which.
Speaker 3: Is like so crazy.
Speaker 1: No, the Internet is smarter than that. That is what
Speaker 1: they would do. I'm sorry the garbage rape girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know the Internet. I could see that being
Speaker 1: on Twitter, like she want, like what a slut? What
Speaker 1: a different I mean this happened in real life, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like the comments are awful. People are terrible, but
Speaker 1: to collectively like name somebody something that's that shitty and
Speaker 1: not clever and like you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know that was I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you have faith in humanity. I
Speaker 2: think garbage rape girl is like chiller. It could have
Speaker 2: been like garbage rape slash horor garbage girl.
Speaker 1: I could see them calling her like garbage garage girl.
Speaker 1: Like people being like garbage rape girl got which like it's.
Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah, because then you're putting rape in it. So
Speaker 2: then you realize she'd been raped. So what are you doing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're actually like telling on yourself. Yeah exactly. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: if she was just a garbage slut, that would be different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're putting rape in there. You know she was raped
Speaker 2: and garbage. I could also see. I could also see
Speaker 2: garbage slut on the internet. I'm not giving the internet
Speaker 2: too much credit. I'm just saying, should we be the
Speaker 2: garbage sluts? Is that the name of our listeners? They
Speaker 2: might want to be the garbage sluts?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think they don't seem like you like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it, but well then then it's a no,
Speaker 1: we both like it.
Speaker 2: We both have to like it, Okay, So whatever the
Speaker 2: internet's saying taken out with the trash and she's like
Speaker 2: so disgusted, and she says she would never have said that,
Speaker 2: she would never have fucked on the ground, and the
Speaker 2: cousin is like, this son of a bitch raped my cousin.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love this girl so wildly.
Speaker 2: He's on his phone in cement room bars and he's
Speaker 2: texting his life away and vest Creesy and Benson are
Speaker 2: in there and they're like, it's Saturday morning, you got
Speaker 2: somewhere to be. I guess his phone has the longest
Speaker 2: battery power of all time, so he's texting up a
Speaker 2: storm and he's like, oh, I had to clean the
Speaker 2: garage with my dad. And Benson's like, Jannie doesn't remember
Speaker 2: what happened, and he's like, well, I want to talk
Speaker 2: to her. Let me just talk to her. And that's
Speaker 2: clearly not going to happen. You idiot, give us your DNA.
Speaker 2: So he's like warrant or are you going to give
Speaker 2: it to us? And he's like, I'm happy to do it.
Speaker 2: So they swab him. Finn comes in and goes we
Speaker 2: have a situation. They both have to leave, and the
Speaker 2: father of the rapist is shutting down the interview, but
Speaker 2: Ellis is twenty two, so parental rights don't matter. But
Speaker 2: this guy says he's on the job. He's from Nassau County, PD.
Speaker 2: His name is Patrick Griffin. Anthony Edwards. Holy shit, Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 2: the dad is Benson's first partner. They recognize each other.
Speaker 2: What a trand what a rush?
Speaker 1: And Marishka and Anthony Edwards were love interests on Er. Wow,
Speaker 1: when she was on Er for her brief arc, she
Speaker 1: was his love interest. And then I think she left
Speaker 1: the show to do SVU but like, yeah, cool, yeah,
Speaker 1: so they've got history. This is like a fun easter
Speaker 1: eggy kind of show or out like casting, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Benson is stunned, truly deer in headlights,
Speaker 2: such a good actress, and Benson and him go into
Speaker 2: her office. He didn't show up that morning, so he
Speaker 2: traced the cell and doesn't understand why he's here.
Speaker 3: He's like, was he mugged? Like what's going on?
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, no, he raped and he's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well he will not be answering any more questions and
Speaker 2: I want all the statements thrown out and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 2: you know, we can't do that, and you know, and
Speaker 2: she works for the victims, so she explains he came involuntarily.
Speaker 2: He didn't even tell us his dad was a cop.
Speaker 2: So the dad goes, I'm fucking taking him and then
Speaker 2: askses their evidence. She says, yes, a witness puts him
Speaker 2: on top of an unconscious vic. He says, I see
Speaker 2: there must be a mistake. A classic boy dad, So
Speaker 2: then he barges into cement room bars and tells him
Speaker 2: not to say another word. And Ellis is shocked to
Speaker 2: see his father and Benson tells him to not leave town,
Speaker 2: and he starts explaining shit to his dad, who says
Speaker 2: stop talking. He says, Olivia, I wish I could say
Speaker 2: it was nice to see you, and yeah, and she
Speaker 2: looks really pretty okay. So Finn and Creasy walk in
Speaker 2: to chat with Benson and he takes his son out
Speaker 2: of there. We get the background story of Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 2: so she's like, we go way back. She was assigned
Speaker 2: to the five to five and he looked out for her.
Speaker 2: Chrisy says, we went by the book, and Finn is like,
Speaker 2: the first thing I taught my son was to never
Speaker 2: talk to cops, Like, how is the son of a
Speaker 2: cop labbing? Like it makes no sense, and Crasy says
Speaker 2: he thinks he did nothing wrong, so he doesn't care,
Speaker 2: and Finn goes, yeah, second mistake. First mistake was humping
Speaker 2: a passed out girl. Okay, Finn, feminist leader. So we
Speaker 2: have Ellis's side, So now we have to get Janie's side.
Speaker 2: So we're back at Mercy and Benson asks how she's feeling.
Speaker 2: She says a little better, but she wants her clothing back,
Speaker 2: and obviously that's evidence, so she can't have it right now.
Speaker 2: She's hunched over elbows on knees, really like defeated body language,
Speaker 2: and just seems stressed and upset. She can't believe she
Speaker 2: was raped and it's all still fuzzy to her. Benson
Speaker 2: reassures her that memory is a tricky thing and anything
Speaker 2: would be great. So she says that she remembers a
Speaker 2: man barging into the bathroom and remembers his name was Ellis,
Speaker 2: and she's like, and my cousin knows him, and Benson
Speaker 2: shows photos.
Speaker 3: They stop at him. It was him, it was him.
Speaker 2: Benson is explaining Ellis's side, and she's like, I remember
Speaker 2: kissing him, but I felt guilty for kissing him because
Speaker 2: I had just broken up with my ex like a
Speaker 2: week ago, and I was texting him that night. So
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like I would have hooked up
Speaker 2: with someone, especially like someone that dated my cousin. So
Speaker 2: he dated Leah, I guess just wants Rollins goes to
Speaker 2: talk to the cousin. Benson needs to know the scoop,
Speaker 2: and she takes a note ad out ready to take
Speaker 2: all of Janey's information. And then Rollin's and Leah are
Speaker 2: in the hospital waiting room and she's dark eyeshadow and
Speaker 2: like kind of a little poof mid heead pony.
Speaker 3: She's fun.
Speaker 2: So anyway, she hooks up with Ellis last year and
Speaker 2: she goes, he seems nice, but he's aggressive Jay and
Speaker 2: he thought he was hot, sure, but she was so drunk.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk to a ton of people, you know,
Speaker 2: like we're all everyone's investigating. Everyone's at work. So now
Speaker 2: we're at where the party was. It's a booze filled
Speaker 2: home with Christmas string lights. His friend is like, Janie
Speaker 2: was all over him, wanted him. She was drunk, but
Speaker 2: everyone was and he's disclosing to Finn and then Cariese
Speaker 2: is with a blonde, preppy girl and she goes, he's
Speaker 2: too hot and cool and does a good job, like
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have to rape anyone. I would willingly fuck
Speaker 2: his ass. So she's like kind of stupid, but it's okay.
Speaker 2: So now we're with a girl at an outdoor park moment,
Speaker 2: and you really see the full budget of these shows
Speaker 2: in moments like this, like a full park with ten
Speaker 2: extras doing yoga. It is such a giant scene. And
Speaker 2: the cops talking to the teacher during class, it's rollin.
Speaker 2: She's getting the scoop and she's like, well, we were
Speaker 2: going to share a car home. I just went to
Speaker 2: say bye to my friends and then she was gone.
Speaker 2: And she explains like, oh, you know, I did hear
Speaker 2: that it was a rumor of rape and size, and
Speaker 2: goes Elle's kept trying to dance and hook up with her,
Speaker 2: but she was so wasted. I guess he got what,
Speaker 2: you know he wanted. So now it's Barbara, And for
Speaker 2: a second, I forgot Barbara was even on the show.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've done Barba episodes for a very
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: No, Like watching this, I forgot Carisee's a cop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been in a Barbara drought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I assumed this whole episode Cariese's the
Speaker 2: DA And then seeing Barbara, I'm like, what, so we
Speaker 2: need to get some barber ones back. We need to
Speaker 2: like do some of this era. I missed him. I
Speaker 2: missed him. I like seeing him. We gotta, yeah, we
Speaker 2: gotta return to these mid teens. So we're outside walk
Speaker 2: and talk with Benson and Barbara, and you know, it
Speaker 2: sucks because the witnesses are fifty to fifty. The DNA
Speaker 2: is a match, but that's not gonna mean anything in court.
Speaker 2: Barba stops and go it goes okay, so like, tell
Speaker 2: me about this dad situation. So she explains that he
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna learn more that he was her
Speaker 2: mentor and a friend at one point, and now you know,
Speaker 2: it's like tough. She has to go let him know
Speaker 2: that she has to arrest his own only son for rape.
Speaker 2: And I don't get like, if he had a sibling,
Speaker 2: why it would be like less bad that the son's
Speaker 2: a rapist. So it's kind of a theme throughout the
Speaker 2: episode where they're like his only boy, his only son,
Speaker 2: and it's like it doesn't really.
Speaker 3: Matter how many kids you have, if like one's a rapist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if one goes to jail, you're like, I've
Speaker 1: got two more, Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like an odd choice.
Speaker 2: Why they keep harping on the only sun thing, Well,
Speaker 2: they harp on anything. It's like Anthony, like we'll see
Speaker 2: they are grasping at straws. Okay, So anyway, Lawyer Dad,
Speaker 2: rapists sit down cement room bar chat with Cariesium Benson
Speaker 2: and Barbara. Okay, so it's like everyone's there and the
Speaker 2: set's kind of like a Steppenwolf play. Truly, it could
Speaker 2: be no one leaves the stage for the whole show.
Speaker 2: But Benson says, you know, hey, I'm gonna start off
Speaker 2: by saying this is serious and Janey has no memory
Speaker 2: of consenting, and the DA will be charging your son
Speaker 2: of rape. Benson says, I'm giving you the courtesy. So
Speaker 2: if there's anything in your story you left out or
Speaker 2: even want change, let us know. The dad goes, he's
Speaker 2: not talking to you. And the dad goes, you're not
Speaker 2: trying to resolve this, you're trying to bury him. She goes, well,
Speaker 2: that's definitely not not what's happening here. He wants a courtesy.
Speaker 2: Now that he gets to go home and say bye
Speaker 2: to his mother and promises on his shield that he'll
Speaker 2: bring him back first thing tomorrow morning, and it, you know,
Speaker 2: it persuades him. Well, the dad says, we want nothing
Speaker 2: more than to prove he is innocent. So Benson says
Speaker 2: eight am tomorrow and I hope it's not a mistake decision.
Speaker 2: So Benson's looking out her office window and Anthony Edwards
Speaker 2: comes in, knocks, aggressive, doesn't even ask link do you
Speaker 2: have time to talk, demands a conversation, and closes the
Speaker 2: door and says he wants a word condescending as fuck.
Speaker 3: I don't know who you think you are, but that's
Speaker 3: a bit choos in charge.
Speaker 2: And she's like, I'm trying to be as straight as
Speaker 2: I can, but all evidence points to rape. And he's like,
Speaker 2: don't do this. She looks down. He is begging her,
Speaker 2: trying to manipulate her with their familiarity, and she says,
Speaker 2: I cannot drop it, and he brings up that like
Speaker 2: the only child, he's my only child. It's gonna destroy
Speaker 2: my boy. Like I like that this girl is not
Speaker 2: even like a minor concern to him or how she's
Speaker 2: doing you know. Yeah, she says, this is where we
Speaker 2: are sorry, And now again he's gonna clawed anything he has,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say the world as an investment banker, he had
Speaker 1: the one he was gonna help people at Goldman Sachs.
Speaker 2: So now yeah, so he's like our first bust. So
Speaker 2: she you followed a purp into a room alone. He
Speaker 2: claimed missing cash and missing drugs, and she says, we
Speaker 2: both know I did not do that, and he goes, sure,
Speaker 2: but if I hadn't testified at IAB the rat squad,
Speaker 2: then that I was in that room, she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have been jammed up for a rookie mistake.
Speaker 2: He goes exactly like a gotcha moment, just like, ellis,
Speaker 2: you made a rookie mistake.
Speaker 3: She was drunk.
Speaker 2: He should have known better, Like how can you not
Speaker 2: think of the victim at all in any of this?
Speaker 3: And she's just like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Like Benson responds he should have known better, like the fuck,
Speaker 2: like fuck off, and he's just he's exasperated. He can't believe,
Speaker 2: like none of this manipulation has worked. She looks direct
Speaker 2: as fuck at him and is disgusted by even trying
Speaker 2: to compare their situations, and she makes it clear that
Speaker 2: like her rookie cot mistake is not the same as
Speaker 2: your son raping an unconscious girl. He says, then you're
Speaker 2: looking for the fight of your life. She's not phased,
Speaker 2: like are you kidding? You fucking lose her. So now
Speaker 2: Barba's there and he's like, basically, this whole case goes
Speaker 2: down to consent. And it's like, well, yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: rape is. So of course it's like the consent, like
Speaker 2: that is the definition. And so it's corkboard time. And
Speaker 2: Jane would never have sex in a garbage pile. It's
Speaker 2: so crazy. I mean again, I in all caps, I
Speaker 2: wrote New York garbage pile.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: I just but whatever the British witness is like staying
Speaker 2: in the country longer. He doesn't care. He's there to testify.
Speaker 2: We're thinking, maybe we can find traffic cams, let's dig
Speaker 2: deeper into taru internet photos, let's find these people, like
Speaker 2: it's crazy that all these people were able to post
Speaker 2: photos and videos but won't help the investigation, Like how
Speaker 2: do you just tape this and not help?
Speaker 3: Go fuck yourselves?
Speaker 2: So Barbara and Benson make eyes and he's being judgy
Speaker 2: as fuck, and she's like, whatever, I just want this
Speaker 2: to be air tight. And then she's like explaining the
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards cash drug story and how he had her
Speaker 2: back and lied for her to save her ass, and
Speaker 2: he says, you owe him nothing. You are not pulling
Speaker 2: facts out of thin air. So then now the victim's here.
Speaker 2: So Janie comes in. It's unexpected, and she's really struggling.
Speaker 2: They're calling her dumpster slut all over the internet. Do
Speaker 2: you like that a little more? Dumpster slut?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you think the do you think our listeners
Speaker 3: would like to be dumpster sluts?
Speaker 4: Or no?
Speaker 3: The love you guys answer, let us know dumpster slut.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a poll in in on Instagram story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know. Rollin's and Benson are in wood
Speaker 2: blinds with her. She can't eat, she can't sleeve, she's
Speaker 2: anxious all the time. But let's all worry about Ellis
Speaker 2: the rapist. And Benson goes, that makes sense, like you
Speaker 2: went through a violation, and she goes, I'm in therapy
Speaker 2: every single fucking day. Nothing is helping. She just wants
Speaker 2: him to know what he did, Like, stop talking to
Speaker 2: the press stop calling me some nameless, intoxicated female, Like,
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up and apologize, and she's like, just
Speaker 2: because I don't remember, it doesn't mean I wasn't hurt.
Speaker 2: And then she screams and she's in a lot of
Speaker 2: pain and she doesn't want to go to court or
Speaker 2: talk to the jury or anything like. She just wants
Speaker 2: it to end. So they're like, do you want us
Speaker 2: to try to make a deal with the DA, and
Speaker 2: she just does not want to testify. All she wants
Speaker 2: is an apology. So Rollins is going to talk to
Speaker 2: Elli's family DA. Everyone's there, Barbara's office, full house. So
Speaker 2: they offer rape three. Daddy says an e felony, he
Speaker 2: would go on the registry, and Benson goes for a
Speaker 2: sexual offense that is a non negotiable but there's no
Speaker 2: jail time, which is very fucking nice. Ten years probation,
Speaker 2: and the victim made a request that you make a
Speaker 2: statement of apology and the dad keeps yelling and Benson's
Speaker 2: like stop. Barbara goes, listen, if you go to trial,
Speaker 2: you're looking at seven years in jail. And then the
Speaker 2: dad goes, oh, a liberal New York jury pool, which
Speaker 2: is actually not true because Manhattan people are rich and
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just not and liberal orchesservice. It's
Speaker 2: the whatever. This guy, he has a lot of ideologies.
Speaker 2: So he goes, they are ready to hang the privileged
Speaker 2: rapist high his dad's a cop. How privileged can he be?
Speaker 2: What are we talking about? Is this old money?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: How are they rich? They don't look rich to me.
Speaker 3: That is weird.
Speaker 1: I think it's like maybe I think maybe it's just
Speaker 1: also that he works at this big bank company like
Speaker 1: Goldman Sachs. You know, it could be that, like it
Speaker 1: might not be old money, but it's like his current you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah standing yeah, the victims of the world, the
Speaker 2: finance bros.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So basically it's like.
Speaker 2: You know, Ellis is saying that he talked to his
Speaker 2: mom and like that they both are were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't go to jail. And the dad goes, the
Speaker 2: registry is forever. You're going to lose your job, and
Speaker 2: Benson goes, yeah, I think state prison is worse than unemployment.
Speaker 2: And the dad goes, your future is gone. Benson says,
Speaker 2: we're trying to help you here. It's a one time offer.
Speaker 2: We can go to trial so we go to trial. Obviously,
Speaker 2: so he well, actually not, so I mean I like
Speaker 2: that I wrote this and watch this and I'm like
Speaker 2: having a surprise. Okay, So he's actually pleading guilty as
Speaker 2: to rape in the third he wants to do this,
Speaker 2: he does not feel course to do it. He's down
Speaker 2: for probation, community service, he's going to be a sex offender.
Speaker 2: He understands. He doesn't want to appeal, he doesn't want
Speaker 2: a jury, and then he starts making a statement of apology.
Speaker 2: He unfolds a paper and he goes, on Friday night,
Speaker 2: I was at a party, and what he wants to
Speaker 2: say to the victim is and then he waits and
Speaker 2: then he crumbles it and says, I can't I take
Speaker 2: it back, rips it up, goes, I'm not guilty.
Speaker 3: I take it back.
Speaker 2: Benson is shook, disordering the court obviously, he retracts, Barbara
Speaker 2: takes back the offer and so now it's a not
Speaker 2: guilty situation. Benson is stunned. Janie's like so sad and goes,
Speaker 2: why can't he just say he's sorry? And Benson goes
Speaker 2: to confront Anthony Edwards and they have a fight, but
Speaker 2: the dad believes his son is being railroaded and they're
Speaker 2: gonna I fuck the jury.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is actually great.
Speaker 2: So he says that him and his wife are gonna
Speaker 2: sit there every single day and make eyes at the
Speaker 2: jury every day until they believe his son. Like so psycho,
Speaker 2: So whatever, it's pandemonium outside, crowds protesters.
Speaker 3: The dad goes, keep your head up, like no shame.
Speaker 2: The brit is on the stand and he's explaining she
Speaker 2: was not moving, her eyes were closed, and when he
Speaker 2: pulls off, like him off, that she didn't even react,
Speaker 2: that she was like splayed out until the cops arrived,
Speaker 2: Like what.
Speaker 3: More do you need?
Speaker 2: The photo is horrific. They show the photo in court
Speaker 2: completely passed out if you're on the jury. But then
Speaker 2: I think about the case of like the football player
Speaker 2: who like ran and like grabbed a woman who was
Speaker 2: brawlist running and like dragged her back, and he was
Speaker 2: not guilty, Like truly, they don't care. So the defense attorney,
Speaker 2: you know, he wants to poke holes, play semantic games
Speaker 2: like that was twenty feet away. Why you know, why
Speaker 2: didn't you help her? So you call nine one one,
Speaker 2: but you didn't call an ambulance. Or fire department, which
Speaker 2: is such bullshit because when you call nine one, you
Speaker 2: have no control over who they send, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. He didn't say sem the cops. He said,
Speaker 2: I'm witnessing a rape, like I don't have number of
Speaker 2: my local ambulance like they all they usually send everyone
Speaker 2: like that. That's kind of what they do. So this,
Speaker 2: you know, fuck this defense attorney. Jane's now on the sand.
Speaker 2: She says she does not consent, So now it's the
Speaker 2: defense time. You know, I'm gonna be mad. He's been condescending,
Speaker 2: he's like fake nice. Basically, his point is, you were
Speaker 2: passed out, so if you don't remember saying like yes,
Speaker 2: that means you don't remember saying no, so you could
Speaker 2: have said either one.
Speaker 1: He's basically like, well if you didn't say yes, did
Speaker 1: you say no? And she's like, I didn't say I
Speaker 1: was passed out, Like it's a crazy it's crazy.
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 2: The reason I'm having trouble saying it correctly is because
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Yeah, someone's passed out cold, like you can't
Speaker 2: at whatever. So oh so then he plays a call
Speaker 2: that she made to her cousin while she was wasted
Speaker 2: and I don't understand how like a fun drunk conversation
Speaker 2: has anything to do with it. It's like, yeah, she
Speaker 2: was fun and drunk and having a good time and
Speaker 2: then she was passed out and didn't want to fuck,
Speaker 2: Like what are we taking?
Speaker 3: Like, I just hate it's a discussion. It's like so.
Speaker 2: Weird that this is even normalized or used in court,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's appalling.
Speaker 1: They're basically trying to show it and go, you're so
Speaker 1: fucked up here. You could have totally said yes, like
Speaker 1: it could have been what you wanted. You didn't even
Speaker 1: know where you were, you know, basically he goes, uh,
Speaker 1: Who's how do you even know you were? Rais did
Speaker 1: you were you really raped?
Speaker 2: Or is it because the Internet told you or SBU
Speaker 2: told you or your liberal feminist social justice girlfriends who
Speaker 2: hate my client? Who are these I don't understand where
Speaker 2: they're pulling this out of Yeah, I just don't get
Speaker 2: who these friends are and like, but yeah, but they
Speaker 2: hate of course they hate him, he raped their friend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're feminists. Yeah, I think this lawyer is trying to.
Speaker 1: Get anybody on the jury who thinks that the me
Speaker 1: too movement is a witch hunt and you know anyone
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, these girls are just trying to
Speaker 1: persecute men, now, like that's what this guy's going for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But before Barbara can even object, the guy with draws,
Speaker 2: so he knows he's being a piece of shit, and
Speaker 2: she's crying on the stand. So Barbara redirects Jane, why
Speaker 2: do you believe you were raped? And she says, because
Speaker 2: I would never and would have never consented to a
Speaker 2: guy I just met on the ground by the garbage
Speaker 2: I was past and he did what he wanted anyway,
Speaker 2: And then they cut to the rapist mom so she
Speaker 2: must have something.
Speaker 3: Coming later where it's a weird ass cut.
Speaker 2: So then the defense lawyer asks to approach and fuck
Speaker 2: so like we all walk out, it's our crew, and
Speaker 2: they suddenly have a new witness. But they did so
Speaker 2: much canvassing, Like how do they suddenly have a magically
Speaker 2: a new witness? So we need to find out where
Speaker 2: this witness comes from. Finn and Benson have a friendship
Speaker 2: session and he tries to talk to her about Tucker
Speaker 2: and their relationship and she's like, okay, I'm clearly busy,
Speaker 2: bro and leaves, and then Benson like I'm going through
Speaker 2: a lot. I don't want to chit chat about my
Speaker 2: ex or boyfriend. I don't know what state they're in.
Speaker 2: At this point, Benson goes to the fall door knock knock,
Speaker 2: and she goes, you might not want your wife to
Speaker 2: hear what I have to say to you. So they
Speaker 2: go outside and she goes, I thought you were gonna
Speaker 2: be in court every day. I fucking the jury. Where
Speaker 2: were you? Where were you all day? After your little speech?
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, Wow, a new
Speaker 2: surprise witness for tomorrow. And he says, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: a good citizen knew what was you know that this
Speaker 2: wasn't right and came forward and she goes, oh, a
Speaker 2: good city, A career drug dealer who became a snitch
Speaker 2: at the five to five year old precinct. You fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: She's like, you really want to do this witness tampering obstruction.
Speaker 2: He says, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: She goes, okay, well you want to put your job
Speaker 2: at Risks no pension, not to mention criminal charges, you
Speaker 2: fucking idiot. And he brings up again this thing that
Speaker 2: he did nice for a young rookie, like you did
Speaker 2: this for a young rookie fifteen plus years ago. And
Speaker 2: she goes, we're running his phone records in bank statements,
Speaker 2: like you're fucking you know. He's squirming. So then he goes,
Speaker 2: he's my son. He's twenty two years old, and like
Speaker 2: and again, what about her? So he continues, he graduated
Speaker 2: summa cum laud from Dartmouth. Why don't we know where
Speaker 2: she graduated from. He has a six figure job, and
Speaker 2: you want to destroy his life? What if she invented something?
Speaker 2: Destroy his life because he had sex with some drunk girl.
Speaker 2: He says, you drove a long way for nothing. So
Speaker 2: now Perez is on the stand, and this is the wetness,
Speaker 2: and I'm just salivating for Barba to get to this guy,
Speaker 2: like I am so fucking jazz, like from get him, Jade,
Speaker 2: get him Perez.
Speaker 1: And he's sort of giving me, don't you stop your
Speaker 1: last season proder shoes at me, like just like a
Speaker 1: full fake witness, Like he's giving.
Speaker 3: Like yes immediately, like you are not. You are a
Speaker 3: paid witness, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I can't even focus on the nonsense that
Speaker 2: this diffence, Like the defense is talking like gets a,
Speaker 2: Barbara gets a Barbara gets a barb up and he
Speaker 2: says that he made eye contact with Janey and that
Speaker 2: she loved it, moaning and said keep going. But it's like,
Speaker 2: we have video and photo evidence of her knocked out,
Speaker 2: So what are you even talking about? So Barbara looks
Speaker 2: eventson then turns Tim and goes, so, what's up with
Speaker 2: your felony arrest five years ago? And that was your
Speaker 2: third offense, right, so then to avoid jail time, you
Speaker 2: became a confidential informant And he goes, but I'm not anymore.
Speaker 3: And they were.
Speaker 2: Like, well, who's your little cop buddy friend at the
Speaker 2: five to five? And it's Dennis Marino. And the wife
Speaker 2: slowly looks over to Anthony Edwards because she he realizes
Speaker 2: what's up because she fucking knows Dennis Marino for sure
Speaker 2: at the five to five. So they're like, well, have
Speaker 2: you ever met Peter gart You have a worst cop
Speaker 2: in the fucking world. Though you can't get.
Speaker 1: A friend from a different precinct to find you an
Speaker 1: informant to do this.
Speaker 2: I know, and I I did call him Peter Grip.
Speaker 2: His name is Patrick. I gotta just call him like
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards. So anyways, so he stares, so peresident Anthony
Speaker 2: Edwards are like staring because they asked like do you
Speaker 2: know him?
Speaker 3: And so they they make eye contact. He lies says no,
Speaker 3: I don't know him.
Speaker 2: After they make intense eye contact, Anthony Edwards wants to
Speaker 2: you know, I fuck everyone in the courtroom, and so
Speaker 2: the defense.
Speaker 3: Keeps, you know, objection, objection, objection.
Speaker 2: Overruled, over ruled, overruled, and finally Judge Elena Barth is like,
Speaker 2: fuck you shut the fuck up. I'm gonna finish this
Speaker 2: line of questioning. Do not stop suppressing shit. So then
Speaker 2: the guy is denying anything and Barbara goes, you know
Speaker 2: you're toasts right, So yeah, So basically I'm also like,
Speaker 2: don't you realize Barba knows the truth, like if he's
Speaker 2: if he's playing these little confident games like don't like
Speaker 2: your toast, your fucking toast. And also with Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 2: it's like, even if your son was gonna get off
Speaker 2: because people like rape, so it's like to me, your
Speaker 2: son could have gotten off because of Dartmouth, and now
Speaker 2: for sure he's not because of these fucking games you're playing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but before this could go even further. The tail tale
Speaker 2: heart of all of this ellis the rapist jumps up
Speaker 2: and he goes, he's lying, he wasn't there, he's making
Speaker 2: it up. Janey never said keep going. He turns around,
Speaker 2: looks at Janey and says, I'm sorry for what I
Speaker 2: did and for what my father's doing. Now, the judge
Speaker 2: tries to get order. You're not gonna, You're not gonna.
Speaker 2: He finally admits it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: He goes, I knew you were passed out and I
Speaker 2: couldn't stop myself, so he knew he was raping all along.
Speaker 3: Why did you chat some like the fact that you
Speaker 3: did all this?
Speaker 2: He should also have charges of wasting everyone's fucking time
Speaker 2: when you know you fucking raped. So I was wrong,
Speaker 2: so wrong, and I am so sorry. Benson with a
Speaker 2: new stunted face, like, I don't know how many stunt
Speaker 2: faces she has.
Speaker 3: My repertoire.
Speaker 2: It's like truly an incredible fee an Emmy for this episode.
Speaker 2: He repeats I'm sorry a bunch more times, and then
Speaker 2: everyone runs to chambers behind the judge and the son
Speaker 2: wants the dad out. He's like, get the fuck out
Speaker 2: of here. I don't care like I should you know,
Speaker 2: and he says, get out, leave me alone. The data
Speaker 2: is stunned and yeah, you lost your pension and your song,
Speaker 2: like what the fuck. But anyways, Ellis goes, I want
Speaker 2: this to be over. I'm gonna plead guilty. I don't
Speaker 2: give a fuck. She The judge's okay, giving him raping
Speaker 2: the second degree, but should have taken the first deal.
Speaker 2: So now we're back in core plea time again. The
Speaker 2: victim has a statement. First, she gets up and says,
Speaker 2: at first, you didn't think you did anything wrong.
Speaker 3: You blamed booze.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you now understand that alcohol didn't pulp my
Speaker 2: dress up, get on top of me and force itself
Speaker 2: inside of me.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you know what you did that.
Speaker 2: You said, I'm sorry I raped you, and he looks
Speaker 2: at her, and he does seem like he's listening. She
Speaker 2: turns away to the judge and says, I choose to
Speaker 2: put this behind me, thank you, and she sits down
Speaker 2: and now it's sentenced time. He gets twenty four months
Speaker 2: in prison. Court is done. The mom starts sobbing. Janey
Speaker 2: is emotional but okay, and Barbara puts his arm on
Speaker 2: her shoulder.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: People are protesting outside that two years is not enough,
Speaker 2: and I agree, and it's kind of like what the
Speaker 2: Diddy thing where it's like four years isn't enough. But
Speaker 2: I did still feel relief because I have no faith
Speaker 2: in the justice system, so I'm happy with four.
Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna get off. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 3: like fine with four.
Speaker 2: So with this, it's like in the real case, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's all stupid rape should be tons
Speaker 2: of years, but whatever.
Speaker 3: So we got two years.
Speaker 2: But people are protesting and the dad okay, and then
Speaker 2: the dad is like smoking SIGs outside obviously stressful day
Speaker 2: for him. Benson comes out and he goes, oh, great,
Speaker 2: you're gonna go get me for witness tampering and she says, no,
Speaker 2: I talked.
Speaker 3: To Barbara, but like, what were you thinking?
Speaker 2: And he says that I have to save my son,
Speaker 2: no matter what, no matter how I'm a cop. I
Speaker 2: protect people I don't even know, and here is my son,
Speaker 2: my best friend. He's going to go down for ten
Speaker 2: seconds of stupidity. I mean, the Sun already admits it.
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, He's like, I just wanted to throw
Speaker 2: in some reasonable doubt. And she goes, Okay, well I'm
Speaker 2: going to pretend I didn't hear that, and he goes,
Speaker 2: the system is rigged against him, and so whatever. He
Speaker 2: goes the protesters the way Ellis is head on the platter,
Speaker 2: and I failed him, And Benson says, you are still
Speaker 2: his father, and for the next two years be there
Speaker 2: for him. I'm sorry, Patrick. If there was something I
Speaker 2: could have done, he says, there was, and you chose
Speaker 2: not to do it. I went to bat for you.
Speaker 2: And she says, the truth is I wish you hadn't.
Speaker 2: I wish you just told the truth. She turns around,
Speaker 2: walks off down the stairs, and he holds onto the
Speaker 2: column and the column's giant and hangs his head. And
Speaker 2: that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that they could get
Speaker 1: rid of his witness tampering charge when it's so fucking obvious,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, Like, if there was
Speaker 1: any reporters in the courtroom, if there was anything going on, like,
Speaker 1: or any public in the room. It's like, that's a
Speaker 1: cop fully witnessed tampering and his own son going, my
Speaker 1: dad's lying, Like, I don't know how you would sweep
Speaker 1: that around now.
Speaker 2: But like they shot Breonna Taylor in like her house,
Speaker 2: yeah thing, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, just it seems it would
Speaker 3: be really hard. But okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: I do want to say that Marishka Hargatea told the
Speaker 1: Huffington Post in advance of season eighteen. She said, can
Speaker 1: you imagine if Brock Turner and then she stops her,
Speaker 1: She goes, that makes me cry, happened with me? Meaning Benson,
Speaker 1: Hargatea said, her voice breaking and her eyes welling up,
Speaker 1: like if I was the detective on that case, it
Speaker 1: could be healing to somebody to see what should happen.
Speaker 1: Seeing justice, The actress said, if a judge would do
Speaker 1: a different sentence, you know, that's healing for people to
Speaker 1: see the right thing, the just thing happen. So sometimes
Speaker 1: I think she takes on episodes of this show specifically
Speaker 1: like Marishka but because she's an ep now, but also
Speaker 1: like the other showrunners, they take on episodes to give
Speaker 1: like the viewers the dream ending, you know, like we
Speaker 1: talked about how it's a fantasy, like they want the
Speaker 1: real ending where the thing happens. But I will say
Speaker 1: I don't think what happens in this case in the
Speaker 1: on the I don't think what happens in the episode
Speaker 1: is necessarily as fair as it could be either, but
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Obviously, this is based on brock Turner.
Speaker 1: This was a massive case that happened in twenty fifteen, and.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, if his sentence was fair,
Speaker 2: he would have never gotten press or attention, and no
Speaker 2: one would have known, like you would be on the
Speaker 2: sex offender registry and he would be a rapist and
Speaker 2: the girl would have been raped and that sucks. But
Speaker 2: like if he had just gotten three years or something normal, No,
Speaker 2: but like it became a case because of the sentence.
Speaker 3: Yes it was.
Speaker 1: It was in the press a lot because of the
Speaker 1: fact that he was a varsity swimmer at Stanford, the
Speaker 1: fact that the girl's identity was not known. He cares
Speaker 1: about swimming, like it's so I understand if he did
Speaker 1: cancer research.
Speaker 3: But to be like, but he's a swimmer, who.
Speaker 1: Gives I know, the he the impact the victim impact statement,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into, also went viral. So there were
Speaker 1: like a few moments but I'll get into it. But basically,
Speaker 1: brock Turner born and raised in a nice suburb of Dayton,
Speaker 1: Ohio in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like maybe that's why they kept it
Speaker 1: like it's like he's from a nice suburb, but his
Speaker 1: dad's an electrical engineer.
Speaker 3: His mom's a nurse. It's not like his dad is
Speaker 3: like the CEO of an oil company.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: He's got an older brother and sister.
Speaker 1: He's a big swimmer, wins awards, set records in high school,
Speaker 1: and he tried out for the Olympic team even when
Speaker 1: he was not even eighteen.
Speaker 3: So well, he gets into.
Speaker 1: Stanford to be a varsity swimmer, and it's one of
Speaker 1: the top ten swimming programs I guess in the country.
Speaker 1: So if you care about swimming, getting into Stanford big deal.
Speaker 1: He starts going to Stanford in the fall of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna say.
Speaker 3: On January tenth.
Speaker 1: Of twenty fifteen, he goes to a frat party at
Speaker 1: Kappa Alpha, where a girl at the party later said
Speaker 1: that Turner was really creeping her out. She claimed he
Speaker 1: was like Hansy, touching her a lot on the dance floor.
Speaker 1: She did not like it, she did not ask for it,
Speaker 1: and she left the dance floord to get away from him. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's just like a thing that happened on January tenth.
Speaker 1: A week later is January seventeenth.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: He goes to another party at Kapa Alpha, where he
Speaker 1: meets a girl who is originally called Emily Doe, which
Speaker 1: is wild because I do have a friend with that
Speaker 1: exact name, and she is called that by the press
Speaker 1: and by everyone that is covering this story, but is
Speaker 1: later known to be Chanelle Miller, a twenty two year
Speaker 1: old recent graduate of University of California at Santa Barbara.
Speaker 1: So she'd had just been at home ready to like
Speaker 1: call it a night and have a cozy night in.
Speaker 1: But her sister, who was younger, was going to this
Speaker 1: party ten minutes away at Stanford and was like, you know,
Speaker 1: they were her and her friends were all having fun,
Speaker 1: and the older sister was like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't get to see my sister that much now that
Speaker 1: like I'm in the real world, she's in college. Like
Speaker 1: I'm going to go hang out with her and be
Speaker 1: like the goofy older sister at the party. Okay, So
Speaker 1: she go and her sister's like rasing her for wearing
Speaker 1: a cart a bit like a cardigan to a party
Speaker 1: or whatever and whatever. So Tiffany, this is the sister, Okay,
Speaker 1: the younger sister, Tiffany. She testifies that Turner, who she
Speaker 1: does not know, tried to kiss her twice at the party,
Speaker 1: and both times she like bended him off. Okay, and
Speaker 1: after that, Like, the story has some gaps because that's
Speaker 1: the other thing too.
Speaker 2: It's like it's clear its patterns for him, and he
Speaker 2: would have kept doing this and doing this like nothing
Speaker 2: would have stopped. He's clearly a fucking sex pest predator.
Speaker 2: I totally Magee stories. I totally agree, and I'm glad
Speaker 2: I had to cover this. I knew a lot about it,
Speaker 2: but there were things I didn't know, and there were
Speaker 2: things I had invented in my head that happened that
Speaker 2: didn't So I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I got to research this.
Speaker 1: But the story has some gaps, mostly because Brock Turner,
Speaker 1: who's the only one that has any memory of anything,
Speaker 1: fucking changes his story like ten times. But what happened
Speaker 1: that we know factually is that at one am that night,
Speaker 1: So that's technically now January eighteenth, twenty fifteen, because it's
Speaker 1: one in the morning. Peter larsh Johnson and Carl Frederick Arendt,
Speaker 1: who are two grad students from Sweden. They were bicycling
Speaker 1: around campus and at first I thought, wow, cool a
Speaker 1: one am cycle, but I did then later read they
Speaker 1: were biking to a party, so good for them. They
Speaker 1: spotted Turner assaulting Chanel Miller behind a dumpster. The two
Speaker 1: guys said that he was on top of her. Her
Speaker 1: dress was pulled up, her genitals were exposed, her underwear
Speaker 1: was on the ground, and they saw him thrusting on
Speaker 1: top of her, and noticed that she was fully unconscious,
Speaker 1: like her hair was full of pine needles.
Speaker 3: She was a mess.
Speaker 1: And they confronted Turner, going, hey, what the fuck are
Speaker 1: you doing? She's unconscious. That's a direct quote, and they said.
Speaker 1: Turner immediately tried to run. So if this is this
Speaker 1: romantic rendezvous, why aren't you going no?
Speaker 3: Ask her?
Speaker 1: She's fine, like we're it's good, we're having fun.
Speaker 3: But he runs.
Speaker 1: So then these guys fucking fully know he's a rapist.
Speaker 1: So one guy checks on Chanelle while the other one
Speaker 1: trips Turner subdues him, and they say Turner is like
Speaker 1: smiling and laughing and they're like, what are you smiling for?
Speaker 1: And later he testified that he was laughing because of
Speaker 1: how ridiculous the situation was, Like you're a psychopath, Like
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like, let's say you are
Speaker 1: so wasted and she was originally consenting and you look
Speaker 1: down and she's now passed out in the middle of
Speaker 1: your consensual thing, you'd be like, fuck, Like you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be fucking smiling and laughing, you know, which is obviously
Speaker 1: what they're trying to say is happening, is that she
Speaker 1: was liking it and then you know whatever, So thank
Speaker 1: god for these two guys. They turn her down while
Speaker 1: a third person calls the cops and he's arrested on
Speaker 1: suspicion of attempted rape. In his statements of police, he
Speaker 1: tells them he met Chanelle outside the frat house and
Speaker 1: she agreed to go home with him. There's some conjecture
Speaker 1: that maybe he thought it was Tiffany, the girl the younger,
Speaker 1: the younger sister who he tried to kiss twice, but
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I met her outside the frat house
Speaker 1: and she said she'd go home with me. And he
Speaker 1: told the cops that he didn't know her name, and
Speaker 1: he would and he would quote not be able to
Speaker 1: recognize her again if he saw her. So later he
Speaker 1: changed his story that they met at the frat house,
Speaker 1: they drank beers together.
Speaker 3: But also if he.
Speaker 2: Was a girl, would be like you, slet, you went
Speaker 2: and had sex with someone you don't know their name,
Speaker 2: you don't know anything about them. You wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to put them out of a lineup that would be
Speaker 2: used in court, to be like you fucking piece. Promis
Speaker 2: you love this kind of interaction?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and you know so as the court date
Speaker 1: gets closer and stuff, and then he testifies at court,
Speaker 1: the story changes a ton like. He changes the story
Speaker 1: to now they didn't meet outside, they met inside. They
Speaker 1: had beers together, and like the sisters like, I never
Speaker 1: saw them together. I don't think they found many witness
Speaker 1: any witnesses that saw them together. But he's trying to
Speaker 1: mold the story into this was romantic. This was like
Speaker 1: we were cute, we hit it off at the party,
Speaker 1: and then we left together. Then we stumbled down a
Speaker 1: hill and made out behind a dumpster, and it was romantic.
Speaker 1: Same as the episode, right, I thought it was romant.
Speaker 1: Whatever Okay, So he changes his story a lot. He
Speaker 1: told the cops that he never tried to run, and
Speaker 1: then in court.
Speaker 2: He and that's that he dis if a woman changed
Speaker 2: her story or anything, even if she had gone through
Speaker 2: a traumatic fucking attack.
Speaker 3: You liar, you liar. What can we believe you are?
Speaker 3: We can't.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you lied about the time that you left the library.
Speaker 3: So your whole story is a fucking sham. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we're angry.
Speaker 1: This story, this whole fucking case brings up a lot
Speaker 1: of about entitled rape culture men. So he originally said
Speaker 1: he didn't know how they got behind the dumpster, originally
Speaker 1: to the cops, but then at trial it's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: she fell and I went to help her up, and
Speaker 1: we playfully landed behind the dumpster and all this like romance.
Speaker 1: Like him and his lawyer are obviously trying to like
Speaker 1: craft a narrative here that this was like a cutie hookup.
Speaker 1: He also never originally told the guys that found them
Speaker 1: or anyone that she consented, okay, Like he never was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: she's into it.
Speaker 3: Ask her.
Speaker 1: He never told the cops, no, she consented, and then
Speaker 1: suddenly at trial when he's telling the story she consented.
Speaker 1: The consent is all over the place. She consented to this,
Speaker 1: She consented to this, She consented to this. He's a
Speaker 1: full scumbag because at this point he knows. I think
Speaker 1: one article I read said he's the only one writing
Speaker 1: the script because the other person doesn't remember, you know.
Speaker 1: So he's like, oh, actually, even though I said something
Speaker 1: totally different right after the incident, and it's like months later,
Speaker 1: we actually did she did consent, and she did say
Speaker 1: like you know, so kind of he starts doing what
Speaker 1: they're trying to get this witness to do in the episode,
Speaker 1: is like be the witness to consent and testify that
Speaker 1: there was consent. So he also told authorities that he
Speaker 1: was the one who took off her underwear and asked
Speaker 1: if she wanted him to finger her, and she said yes.
Speaker 1: He says he testified that he quote unquote fingered her
Speaker 1: for a minute and he thought she orgasmed Okay, dude, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just swimmer. You're not making anyone orgasm
Speaker 1: in any way, let alone rubbing fingering them for one minute,
Speaker 1: Like you're this that's insane.
Speaker 3: Why are you trying to get glory out of this.
Speaker 2: Now it's also so hard because it's like all of
Speaker 2: this work, you know what I mean, At that end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's like it all seems so crazy,
Speaker 2: it all like all of these little behaviors, but then
Speaker 2: they all worked. Yeah, he wasn't penalized for lying. He
Speaker 2: wasn't penalized for changing his story content. I mean that's
Speaker 2: the same thing, like he wasn't for being like all
Speaker 2: of these things.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Doesn't get no because I think he's like, nobody can
Speaker 1: really truly say that I'm lying about any of this.
Speaker 1: But he had said that she rubbed his back at
Speaker 1: one point, like he was saying all this shit, he
Speaker 1: said after the fingering, and you know, after she has
Speaker 1: the most amazing orgasm of her life from the one
Speaker 1: minute of fingering. Then he says they started dry humping,
Speaker 1: And I wrote in my notes, oh my god, electric
Speaker 1: chair for this freak, Like I just can't believe he's
Speaker 1: like telling this story with all these fucking details that
Speaker 1: are obviously such lies. And he said he said he
Speaker 1: never took off his pants or exposed his genitals, which
Speaker 1: I think is proven. But police did note when they
Speaker 1: got there that he had a boner under his pants,
Speaker 1: so uh, he was still turned on from raping someone.
Speaker 1: So Chanelle was taken to the hospital. She was unresponsive
Speaker 1: to police. The police were screaming at her to try
Speaker 1: to wake up, shaking her, screaming nothing. She was taken
Speaker 1: to the hospital, where it's reported that she did not
Speaker 1: regain consciousness until four point fifteen in the morning. So
Speaker 1: this girl was so incapacitated that she was unrevivable for
Speaker 1: three hours. And you were like, no, one second ago,
Speaker 1: she was loving this, I just and was giving me
Speaker 1: totally like enthusiastic consent.
Speaker 3: It's bullshit.
Speaker 1: She said she had pine needles in her hair and
Speaker 1: on her body. There was dried blood on her hands
Speaker 1: and elbows, I'm assuming from the fall, but also probably
Speaker 1: from the assault. And she told police she had no
Speaker 1: recollection of being alone with any man and she did
Speaker 1: not consent to any sexual activity. She also got a
Speaker 1: call from her boyfriend while she was in the hospital,
Speaker 1: who was worried about her, and he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: did you get home, because she realized that she had
Speaker 1: actually called him in her blackout the night before and
Speaker 1: left him a drunk voicemail, and then they spoke on
Speaker 1: the phone, and the boyfriend said she was luwering her
Speaker 1: words so badly that he kept telling her, go find
Speaker 1: your sister, like, go find your sister. So people are
Speaker 1: there's evidence of how actually wasted and unable to consent
Speaker 1: this girl was. And she said, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize I had graduated college like.
Speaker 3: Six seven months before.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much my tolerance had gone, Like
Speaker 1: she wasn't used to how much she was drinking or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so meanwhile, I mean, it's really awful because she
Speaker 1: talks about how she's in the hospital and the pine
Speaker 1: needles just are falling out of her hair, and she
Speaker 1: just keeps finding little piles of pine needles, like in
Speaker 1: every room that she goes into. And at first she
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I thought maybe I just like fell,
Speaker 1: and then she realized, oh no, like this guy was
Speaker 1: attacking me just like in a garbage dump area, like
Speaker 1: a fucking freak.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we'll get to more of her statement.
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, that day that he's brought in, Turner posts
Speaker 1: his one hundred and fifty thousand dollars bail and he's
Speaker 1: released ten days later, on January twenty eighth, He's charged
Speaker 1: with two counts of rape, two counts of penetration, and
Speaker 1: one count of assault with intent to rape. Obviously, he
Speaker 1: pleads not guilty. At this point, the case is making
Speaker 1: national headlines with brock Turner's like goofy face, his mugshot,
Speaker 1: his isor bloodshot, like his mug shots popping up everywhere.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of the perfect storm of his
Speaker 1: mug shot. He's a swimmer, it's Stanford, it's me too.
Speaker 1: Is really happening at this moment, and that people are
Speaker 1: also interested because Stanford had such an abysmal track record
Speaker 1: of investigating sexual assault allegations. Between ninety seven and two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, a twelve year period, only four out
Speaker 1: of one hundred and seventy five sexual assaults that were
Speaker 1: reported were formally adjudicated at Stanford, and of those four,
Speaker 1: two attackers were held responsible. And that's according to sf
Speaker 1: gait reporting on research by a Stanford law professor named
Speaker 1: Michelle and this douber and remember her name because she
Speaker 1: comes in later. So this is a school that classically
Speaker 1: looks the other way at shit like this.
Speaker 3: So that's another part of it as well.
Speaker 1: And so this is in the news a lot, and
Speaker 1: then prosecutors drop the rape charges months before he goes
Speaker 1: to trial. I think they thought, given the current definition
Speaker 1: of rape in California, they thought that they wouldn't get
Speaker 1: a jury to buy that a rape without a penis
Speaker 1: can happen. So he stood like, you know, without like
Speaker 1: a penis and a penetration of some kind. So he
Speaker 1: stood trial for assault with intent to rape an intoxicated person,
Speaker 1: sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and
Speaker 1: sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object.
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I feel like I've even said it
Speaker 1: on this podcast that I thought he used a bottle.
Speaker 1: I thought he used a beer bottle. I made that
Speaker 1: up in my mind. For an object? Are his fingers? Like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that foreign your fingers would be considered
Speaker 1: for an object. But that is what the law is
Speaker 1: saying at that point, is that is what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: There is another case I think that involved a bottle,
Speaker 1: and I think I complated them because it was around
Speaker 1: the same time. But they tried to make him out
Speaker 1: to be this innocent kid from Ohio, just a sweet
Speaker 1: suburban party amateur who had never really done drugs before,
Speaker 1: had never really drank or party before, and was trying
Speaker 1: to emulate his older swim team buddies, which is trying
Speaker 1: to be cool and.
Speaker 3: Do what they were doing.
Speaker 1: But pot prosecutors presented texts of him talking about drugs
Speaker 1: with friends before he even went to Stanford, Like, there's
Speaker 1: texts of him asking for dabs. There's text of him
Speaker 1: asking like to do LSD and shit, like he was
Speaker 1: doing into drugs before he went to college.
Speaker 3: And then the girl who he creeped out at the party,
Speaker 3: I think dabbing a bad name. Yeah, the girl that
Speaker 3: he creeped out at that party a week earlier was
Speaker 3: brought up.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she testified, but like her testimony,
Speaker 1: her like her statement was brought up. And so they're
Speaker 1: like trying to paint it as like a pattern of
Speaker 1: this is what this guy is kid is doing. He's
Speaker 1: getting wasted and he's being really aggressive with women and raping.
Speaker 1: So in March of twenty sixteen, he is found guilty
Speaker 1: on all three counts. Okay, and his lawyer of course
Speaker 1: like vowed to appeal it or whatever. And then so
Speaker 1: March of twenty sixteen is the guilty verdict, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't get sentenced for a few months. On May thirty first,
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, his lawyer, Mike Armstrong asks the judge to
Speaker 1: sentence his client to an extremely lenient four months, stating
Speaker 1: that it's impossible to know when she went from being
Speaker 1: conscious to being unconscious, and he told the judge that
Speaker 1: Turner was quote a fundamentally good young man from a
Speaker 1: good family, with a record of real accomplishments, who made
Speaker 1: bad choices during his time at Stanford of about four months,
Speaker 1: especially related to alcohol, and the twenty minutes or so
Speaker 1: during the night of January seventeenth, eighteenth, twenty fifteen when
Speaker 1: he committed these serious crimes. So the lawyer are kind
Speaker 1: of like, bad choices, but he's accomplished so much.
Speaker 2: She's it's like, yeah, that's the reasoning doesn't matter, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was a swimmer, I had a record. Should I
Speaker 2: go rape? What are you talking about? What are we
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 3: Like who cares? Like who cares about swimming or anything?
Speaker 2: But like, I mean, I just can't believe we live
Speaker 2: in this world where like this boy's academic or swimming
Speaker 2: success is valuable.
Speaker 1: The men that are in power see themselves in him,
Speaker 1: Like you know, they see themselves in him. They're like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: what if I got in trouble? That's like every guy
Speaker 1: you talked to about, every guy you talked to about
Speaker 1: consent and rape and everything is like, oh well, I mean,
Speaker 1: now are you saying I've rape because I've had sex
Speaker 1: with a girl that's like really drunk or whatever. And
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that exact situation, but like these got these men see
Speaker 1: themselves in these young boys that have been given every advantage,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I still make these decisions.
Speaker 2: It's unfair that the burden of like protecting yourself is
Speaker 2: all on women too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't get drunk. You should have a whipit,
Speaker 2: you should have a plan B. You should be texting track,
Speaker 2: you know. Like but the dudes, it's like, stop fucking
Speaker 2: doing stuff drunk, be sober.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know, he would have raped forever, He would have
Speaker 2: raped forever. Thank god he's on the registry. Thank god
Speaker 2: he's on the registry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is like a plenty of people go
Speaker 1: to college and have never drank before or never really
Speaker 1: partied hard before, and they make stupid mistakes. They're not
Speaker 1: all raping, you know, Like so if you're it's like whatever.
Speaker 1: If alcohol is a truth serum and it kind of
Speaker 1: reveals a little bit of who you really are, then
Speaker 1: like your what your thing is is I take what
Speaker 1: I want and I you know, this is what I do.
Speaker 3: So I agree.
Speaker 1: I think he would have absolutely gone on to keep
Speaker 1: doing that or do more serious I'm so I'm curious
Speaker 1: if the jury got to sentence what they would have
Speaker 1: sentenced him.
Speaker 3: Fuck this judge, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So he also made sure the lawyer to note
Speaker 1: to the judge, you know, Turner's already been expelled from Stanford,
Speaker 1: which puts the cabash on what could have been a
Speaker 1: huge swimming career.
Speaker 3: Crimey a chlorinated river. What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: What do you mean a huge swimming career If you're
Speaker 1: not going to the Olympics, what is your swimming career? Like?
Speaker 6: Is there?
Speaker 2: He might never be able to sleep and feel safe
Speaker 2: ever in her life. Yeah, you might never be able
Speaker 2: to party, or her sister blames or something like yeah,
Speaker 2: like I just can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, he might not be able to do the
Speaker 1: butterfly stroke again. Who fucking cares anyway. Sorry, we were
Speaker 1: really shitting on swimming today. Even though Lisa, I didn't
Speaker 1: know you were a record holder. That's very impressive.
Speaker 2: It was a JV record, I left that out, but
Speaker 2: I did have the JV record for the hundred butterfly.
Speaker 1: Ooh, butterflies so hard I cannot do that stroke.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I ended up being like okay at swimming, you know,
Speaker 2: but then uh, I reached the maximum potential that I had.
Speaker 3: And then you just turn to a life of crime.
Speaker 1: Because if this woman's career can't happen anyway. So Chanelle Miller,
Speaker 1: the victim, read a victim impact statement that addressed Turner
Speaker 1: directly and started with quote, you don't know me, but
Speaker 1: you've been inside of me, and that's why we're here today.
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed published the entire statement, which is very lengthy and amazing.
Speaker 3: I've read it.
Speaker 1: I had read it when it first came out, and
Speaker 1: like I'm getting goosebumps now thinking about it, Like it
Speaker 1: is so well written.
Speaker 2: Once her academic career, you know, like we're so worried
Speaker 2: about this guy.
Speaker 1: I know, and she's also like a Chinese American girl,
Speaker 1: which I hadn't mentioned earlier. But people were like, also, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's this white guy, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: victims of color don't get always the same treatment as
Speaker 1: like the white blonde woman women who go missing, like
Speaker 1: you know what we're calling the other day, like missing
Speaker 1: white women's syndrome. So it's really so like, it's so
Speaker 1: fucked in so many ways. But I love what she wrote.
Speaker 1: She wrote this really great. It's linked in our show
Speaker 1: notes her her entire statement that goes viral. She had
Speaker 1: no idea it was going to go so viral. She
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, like it was. It had
Speaker 1: like fifteen thousand views within like minutes of her putting
Speaker 1: it up, and so a lot of.
Speaker 3: People were That was at the end of May.
Speaker 1: And so then June second, a couple days later of
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, Judge Aaron Persky sentences brock Turner two six
Speaker 1: months in jail, three years of probation and orders him
Speaker 1: to be on the Sex Offender Registry for life. So
Speaker 1: the judge said that a longer prison term quote would
Speaker 1: have a severe impact on him end quote. Now, the
Speaker 1: mac sentence that he could have received, I guess was
Speaker 1: was fourteen years.
Speaker 3: And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: This fuck face was sentenced to six months, and you
Speaker 1: can bet your ass he walked his ass out of
Speaker 1: Santa Clara County Jail on September second, having served three
Speaker 1: months of that six months. Like they couldn't even make
Speaker 1: him do the full fucking six months. And as he left,
Speaker 1: he had been in protective custody because of the status
Speaker 1: of the case in jail, and so it's like not
Speaker 1: only that, it's like he doesn't even he probably doesn't
Speaker 1: even really experience like the atrocities of being in the
Speaker 1: American prison prison system. He's because he's probably like in
Speaker 1: a protective custody by himself or with maybe a few
Speaker 1: other people. And he as he left, the corrections officers
Speaker 1: gave him a package of hate mail, which had been
Speaker 1: building up while he was there. So that's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: They're like, here you go, here's something to read on
Speaker 1: the car right home.
Speaker 2: Baby, Oh god, you don't hear much great news about
Speaker 2: correctionals officers.
Speaker 3: That was nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oot, cool cool cool, cool cool cool.
Speaker 3: That's for the people.
Speaker 1: That's for the Michelle Dauber, who I mentioned earlier, the
Speaker 1: Stanford law professor who had the research on the how
Speaker 1: much Stamford had been prosecuting or or not prosecuting, but
Speaker 1: adjudicating their rape cases on their campus. She launched a
Speaker 1: campaign to remove Perski from the bench. Okay, Aaron Persky
Speaker 1: is an elected trial judge, so they had to have
Speaker 1: a recall election. No trial judge recall had even made
Speaker 1: it to a ballot anywhere in the country since nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty two, and in California, no judge had been recalled
Speaker 1: since nineteen thirty two. And then there was Perski and
Speaker 1: this fucking joke judge was recalled successfully in twenty eighteen. Wow, wait,
Speaker 1: that never happens. I'm like shock, Yeah, so he was recalled. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: I did read some research that was, like, the repercussions
Speaker 1: of recalling a judge for something like that is that
Speaker 1: other judges are going to take be more serious with
Speaker 1: their sentences, and those sentences are never on people like
Speaker 1: brock Turner, They're predominantly on people of color. And so
Speaker 1: research that was born out after said that the recall
Speaker 1: may have resulted in longer sentences unfortunately for a lot
Speaker 1: of people of color.
Speaker 3: But I think ultimately.
Speaker 2: This ends the message that it wouldn't impact more like
Speaker 2: lengthier sentences for the white guy since it was a
Speaker 2: white guy, Like, I can't believe.
Speaker 1: I think they're just doing all over sentences and people
Speaker 1: of color are getting arrested and brought to trial more often,
Speaker 1: and you know, like so they're because the law, because
Speaker 1: the law enforcement system is like rigged against them. So
Speaker 1: I that's like research that Actually Michelle Dauber herself put
Speaker 1: out after this happened, so there were like parts of
Speaker 1: the recall that she regretted. But whatever, I think it's
Speaker 1: good ultimately to show like, oh, this little good old
Speaker 1: boys club where you're not like where you could just say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a sweet little boy. It's not gonna fly, like
Speaker 1: people will get your ass recalled. So the DA also
Speaker 1: used the rage over Turner sentence to successfully advocate for
Speaker 1: mandatory minimum prison sentences for defendants convicted of sexual assault.
Speaker 1: So under that new law, Turner would have gone a
Speaker 1: minimum of three years if it happened. Stay this is California,
Speaker 1: and that at the same time, the state legislature in
Speaker 1: California also expanded the definition of rape, and under that law,
Speaker 1: his assault involving digital penetration would have been considered rape
Speaker 1: instead of the sexual assault with the foreign object. So
Speaker 1: at least some like the smallest bit of silver lining
Speaker 1: is that some new legislature came out of this case
Speaker 1: and all the rage people had for it, so, you know,
Speaker 1: protesting and being pissed about shit like this like it
Speaker 1: can even though this joker only got three fucking months,
Speaker 1: the law has now been changed. So brock Turner tried
Speaker 1: to appeal his conviction in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: It did not work.
Speaker 1: The jury believed that he is he was rightfully convicted,
Speaker 1: and that he deserves to be on the sex Registry
Speaker 1: for life. And the shit he was trying to say
Speaker 1: for why he was saying I should have my conviction
Speaker 1: overturned because they were saying we were in a garbage
Speaker 1: enclosure rather than a dumpster era. It's like, what are
Speaker 1: you like semantics like trying to or like literally trying.
Speaker 2: To like Anthony Edwards like whatever whatever he could get, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 2: he was gonna try whatever he could.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't know what's going on with brock Turner.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I kind of tried to.
Speaker 1: I kind of tried to look up what was up
Speaker 1: with him, But there's like a whisper network in Ohio
Speaker 1: and whenever people see him out at the bars, they
Speaker 1: like take video and they send it around on TikTok,
Speaker 1: and it's always like watch out for this guy. Like
Speaker 1: people are really trying to make it so that he
Speaker 1: can like never date or be on app. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think if you're on the sex register like
Speaker 1: you could be on dating apps.
Speaker 3: But I doubt.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's ways around that because a lot of
Speaker 1: those apps don't really care about women's But.
Speaker 2: Well, also I heard he like, yeah, lives with his parents,
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, that lives with his parents, and yeah,
Speaker 2: this all happened like ten years ago.
Speaker 1: So he's about twenty nine and lives with his parents
Speaker 1: and he's on the sexoponder registry forever, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that. But I would really really like
Speaker 3: that that.
Speaker 2: The judge got fucking punished for that too. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry for the negative repercussions though, of course.
Speaker 1: And Chanelle did write a book and does speak and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about that during what would Sister Pig Do?
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for doing that. I really didn't want
Speaker 3: to research it so enraging.
Speaker 1: So but I really like people should read her victim
Speaker 1: statement and I think like people should give that victim
Speaker 1: statement to like anybody that's like, oh, she shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been drinking.
Speaker 3: Why don't women report this? And that?
Speaker 1: Like this woman wrote such a like amazing like visceral.
Speaker 1: I mean, she talks in her statement about how she
Speaker 1: did not really know, like no one ever really explained
Speaker 1: to her, like how she was found or like what
Speaker 1: the scene was until she read about it in the
Speaker 1: press and she was like, this cannot be what happened
Speaker 1: to me. Like you know, I think people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: you were you know, I think the cops tell you, oh,
Speaker 1: you were assaulted like whatever, But like she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why pine needles were in my hair. Oh that's
Speaker 1: why this happened. Like I was behind a dumpster. Like
Speaker 1: it was like they didn't even I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was like a trauma thing to not tell her
Speaker 1: or whatever, but she would. She describes reading about her
Speaker 1: assault in the news and being like that that's how
Speaker 1: I found out, like kind of how all the events unfolded.
Speaker 1: And it's like she she's funny, She's a funny writer.
Speaker 1: She she keeps calling the two guys that stopped the
Speaker 1: attack the evil Swedes. She's like What would you have
Speaker 1: done if the evil Swedes hadn't come by to interrupt
Speaker 1: what happened?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Would you have walked me home?
Speaker 1: Would you have taken me some more warm like this
Speaker 1: girl did not wake up for three more hours? Would
Speaker 1: he have lugged her back? Would he have called campus
Speaker 1: safety and gotten her ride home?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: That guy would have probably left her by a fucking dumpster.
Speaker 1: And that's the truth. So anyway, I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about her memoir and in what would Sister Peg Do?
Speaker 1: But for now we can cleanse our palette a little
Speaker 1: bit and get to an interview with an amazing guest
Speaker 1: that we have today that we've already teased. Okay, our
Speaker 1: guest today is an actor who you may have seen
Speaker 1: as a regular on shows like Apple TV's Your Friends
Speaker 1: and Neighbors and Law and Order True Crime The Menendez Brothers.
Speaker 1: She's also a big fan of stand up comedy. We've
Speaker 1: talked about it, and you know her today as our victim,
Speaker 1: Janie Spears. Please enjoy our chat with the lovely Anna Asciola.
Speaker 3: Hi, nice to meet you, Anna, I know you and Liza.
Speaker 2: Told everyone sorry, this is our first time booking a
Speaker 2: guest by John Ham summoning.
Speaker 3: It was a thrilling evening for me.
Speaker 2: I don't did you notice I was staring at you
Speaker 2: kind of weird or no?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Not okay, yeah, because I was like, I fucking know
Speaker 1: this girl. I know. I think also because like your
Speaker 1: hair is like so curly in the episode and if
Speaker 1: the straight night.
Speaker 5: Though, but I just love that because I go through
Speaker 5: my life having that experience so many times, and the
Speaker 5: first thing I do is look up to see if
Speaker 5: they've been on SVU because it's like that then usually
Speaker 5: that's where I know them from.
Speaker 4: So oh, I'm very flattered.
Speaker 5: The reverse has taken placed percent.
Speaker 2: And it's also, I think an episode we were avoiding
Speaker 2: because brock Turner makes us so mad, like it's such
Speaker 2: a current case. We were in it through it because
Speaker 2: we we researched all the real crime. It's just everyone's
Speaker 2: a criminal and bad that we researched. But this case
Speaker 2: we were like, fuck.
Speaker 4: But it was really was not carried out, no in
Speaker 4: this instance.
Speaker 5: And then there was the you know, the sort of
Speaker 5: twist with Olivia's ex partner and all of that, which
Speaker 5: I kind of forgot and I rewatched the episode last night.
Speaker 4: I was like Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: That was also a factor that was making it a
Speaker 5: little not rock turnery. Also that he was sort of
Speaker 5: like working class the dad rather than in the real
Speaker 5: brock Turner case, he's like this super you know, upper
Speaker 5: crust rich kid. That's yeah, I think they still even
Speaker 5: more maddening.
Speaker 1: They tried to make him a little bit rich kid
Speaker 1: with the whole Goldman Sachs like d Bond Trader thing.
Speaker 1: But he is from like a cop family, so it's
Speaker 1: a it's a little bit different, but and exciting seeing
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 5: Yes, for sure, and also playing kind of like a dick,
Speaker 5: which you don't really associate him with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least I didn't growing up watching Er. He
Speaker 4: always seemed like, you know, the sweet guy.
Speaker 1: I remember crying really hard when his character died on
Speaker 1: e R. Like it was the first time that that
Speaker 1: Hawaiian version of Somewhere Over the Rainbow was used at
Speaker 1: They were really like using that as a tool of
Speaker 1: destruction to break people's.
Speaker 4: I think I said that was like maybe after I
Speaker 4: stopped watching, because I don't I don't remember that as there's.
Speaker 1: Like a balloon that goes up into the sky and
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh my God, Doctor Green, like It's tough,
Speaker 1: It's tough.
Speaker 3: I was that was like my mom's show, my mom definitely.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, I didn't mean that, mean.
Speaker 4: That before or am the youngest of four, so I
Speaker 4: was watching things that I should not have been.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, from the time that I was really little.
Speaker 5: I remember, oh my god, just like everything. But I
Speaker 5: mean TV shows especially like uh like, I remember watching
Speaker 5: La Law probably when I was like three or four
Speaker 5: years old SNL. I also watched Howard Stern like when
Speaker 5: it was on E because my dad would always watch it.
Speaker 2: I watched it on CBS after S and Now and
Speaker 2: I would turn down the volume and I was and
Speaker 2: then I would yeah, and then I would go more
Speaker 2: perverted into HBO's real sex if it was like a
Speaker 2: real for me.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Bunny Ranch, oh yeah, yes, absolutely, But no, Howard
Speaker 5: Stern was like on in the main like in the
Speaker 5: living room, just for everyone to walk.
Speaker 3: Wow, isn't that wild?
Speaker 2: We love people will send us there's a lot of
Speaker 2: viral videos of babies dancing to the SVU theme song,
Speaker 2: and we really love that.
Speaker 3: We really love it.
Speaker 1: And everybody tells us they watched it with their mom
Speaker 1: or their grandma growing up when they were like way
Speaker 1: too young to watch it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I would just watch it at home.
Speaker 5: And I'm pretty sure the first time I had, like
Speaker 5: when ring tones became a thing, like when you could
Speaker 5: pick your own ringtone, you could like download a song.
Speaker 5: The first one that I ever did was the lawn
Speaker 5: Order theme song when I was in tenth grade.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I had a murder. She wrote one song.
Speaker 1: I actually am aging myself. I think I'm seventy, like
Speaker 1: I like few theme song ring and then you manifested
Speaker 1: it and you got to be on.
Speaker 4: The show, Like it was very exciting.
Speaker 2: How have you been auditioning for a while? Was it
Speaker 2: the first audition?
Speaker 6: Yea?
Speaker 3: Had you been gunning out for it?
Speaker 4: No, it was.
Speaker 5: It did come about sort of in a very strange,
Speaker 5: unusual way because I used to live in New York,
Speaker 5: but then I moved out to LA to pursue acting,
Speaker 5: and I was back visiting my best friend for like
Speaker 5: the last two weeks of the summer, and it was
Speaker 5: the tail end of this that I got this audition
Speaker 5: and I went in and read for it, and then
Speaker 5: the day that I was meant to go back to
Speaker 5: La they were like, they want you to to come
Speaker 5: back in for a callback, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: well are they going to tell me if I booked
Speaker 5: it like before eight pm? Because I got to get
Speaker 5: on a plane and so I was waiting, waiting, and
Speaker 5: then also sort of not having anything to do with it.
Speaker 4: But I feel like it was cosmically related.
Speaker 5: I was having a tarot reading, and like at the
Speaker 5: very end of the tarot reading, I got the call
Speaker 5: from an agent that I had booked it so.
Speaker 1: Well did the reader predict that at all? Or was
Speaker 1: there something big is about to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't remember like anything specifically with that, but I
Speaker 5: just feel like there was a lot of positive energy
Speaker 5: that was brewing, and I was very much so like
Speaker 5: needing to book this or I would not be able
Speaker 5: to continue with SAD health insurance.
Speaker 3: So it was.
Speaker 5: It came out of very opportune, opportune time, So it was.
Speaker 5: And then I got to stay in the city for
Speaker 5: like another two weeks and be a working actor in
Speaker 5: the city, which was very exciting.
Speaker 3: Damn, it's so cruel, and it's a you know, it's juicy.
Speaker 2: You're at the hospital, you're at the party, you're at
Speaker 2: the pesting.
Speaker 3: It's all the different rooms. Yeah, you're a big, big, big,
Speaker 3: big guest.
Speaker 4: I'm the victim. Yeah I was. I couldn't I couldn't believe.
Speaker 5: It was the first time I had like booked something
Speaker 5: where it was like, I've been watching this show since
Speaker 5: I was whatever five years old, and now I get
Speaker 5: to be on it.
Speaker 2: Was it extra exciting because it's SVU, You've watched it forever.
Speaker 3: Was it like, what were your feelings?
Speaker 4: Definitely? That was Yeah.
Speaker 5: That was like I was saying, that was the first
Speaker 5: show that I've been on where it was something that
Speaker 5: I had been watching since I was little, and it
Speaker 5: was you know, this cult phenomenon basically, but one that
Speaker 5: I was really, you know, a fan of.
Speaker 4: So that was awesome.
Speaker 5: And big shoes to Phil playing you know, the the
Speaker 5: victim of the story and for a rip from the
Speaker 5: headlines story. Uh, and then obviously the legacy of you know,
Speaker 5: all of these actors who have have gotten their start
Speaker 5: on Law and Order. It was like, this is you
Speaker 5: know a big deal and you know, so I I am.
Speaker 5: I'm sad that I didn't get Stabler, but getting to
Speaker 5: work with Marishka, she just like she gives so much
Speaker 5: in every scene. It makes it like her compassion just
Speaker 5: comes off as so genuine in a scene with her
Speaker 5: that it makes it so easy to really like feel
Speaker 5: bad for yourself and and be able to get to
Speaker 5: these really emotional places that you have to get to.
Speaker 5: So I just remember that specifically in the scenes with her,
Speaker 5: that it was like I would just immediately get to
Speaker 5: where I needed to be because she was just she
Speaker 5: was so warm and present and like gave so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that scene. I love that scene where you're like,
Speaker 1: why do I have to testify? Like why is it
Speaker 1: all on me to say that this is like what happened?
Speaker 1: Like that one that was that really got me? Great job?
Speaker 4: Yeah that thank you. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 5: I remember shooting that one was like for me in
Speaker 5: the moment, I felt like I wasn't getting to where
Speaker 5: I needed to be. And then watching it back and
Speaker 5: even you know, people that know me, like I remember
Speaker 5: my sister saying like, oh my god, that that was
Speaker 5: like you that would was the way you get when
Speaker 5: you are, you know, in that mode and uh. And
Speaker 5: then when I watched it back last night, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I guess that was that was pretty accurate, I feel like,
Speaker 5: and I could see that my chest was like red
Speaker 5: in the scene, so I was like, really, you know,
Speaker 5: trying trying to get to that place. But I did
Speaker 5: really like that line that it's like, you know it,
Speaker 5: I'm the victim. Why is it my responsibility to prove
Speaker 5: that I'm a victim? Like this guy should prove that,
Speaker 5: even though obviously that's not the way the justice system works.
Speaker 5: But but yeah, if you are violated in that way,
Speaker 5: it's just like another level to have to then convince
Speaker 5: people that you were violated.
Speaker 3: Are you from the East Coast?
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm from Cambridge, Massachusetts. But then I moved to
Speaker 5: New York when I was fifteen, So I went to
Speaker 5: high school in the city.
Speaker 3: Oh did you go to like performing arts or like,
Speaker 3: where did you come here to act?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I went to uh No.
Speaker 5: I convinced my parents to move to New York City
Speaker 5: when I was fourteen fifteen because I was the only
Speaker 5: kid left in the house. All my siblings i'd moved
Speaker 5: out and they all lived in New York and I
Speaker 5: just really.
Speaker 4: Wanted to live in New York.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie in part very heavily influenced by
Speaker 5: reading the Gossip Girl novels.
Speaker 4: When you're like, I want to be.
Speaker 3: Our tenis as a sophomore in high school, this is
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 5: Much And then my ulterior motive was that I wanted
Speaker 5: to become a model. So when I moved to New York,
Speaker 5: I went on an open call and got the modeling
Speaker 5: agent and that that all.
Speaker 1: Wow, it all worked out, took off. Yes, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of good planning for a fifteen year old. I
Speaker 1: would say most people, most fifteen year olds don't know
Speaker 1: what they want.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I was very I always known exactly what
Speaker 5: I want.
Speaker 2: Wow, how long did it take you to convince them
Speaker 2: to leave Cambridge?
Speaker 6: Like a year?
Speaker 5: My mom is from New York to my entire extended
Speaker 5: family is from New York, so you know, we would
Speaker 5: go to New York all the time.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like a random foreign concept.
Speaker 5: But I think I started with, you know, I want
Speaker 5: to I want to move to New York City. I
Speaker 5: want to go to this you know, I want to
Speaker 5: go to school in the city.
Speaker 4: And I looked up which ones.
Speaker 5: I would want to go to, and there were two
Speaker 5: that I liked that had the sort of the.
Speaker 3: Girl life.
Speaker 5: Not really like no, if I really wanted to be like,
Speaker 5: you know, living living the gossip girl dream, I would
Speaker 5: have gone to Dalton or somewhere uptown. But I had always,
Speaker 5: you know, had like progressive education, and so I was
Speaker 5: I was sort of tempering it with that. So I
Speaker 5: was either going to go to Friends or Little Red Schoolhouse.
Speaker 5: And I ended up choosing Little Red School hups in
Speaker 5: Elizabeth Irwin High School, so like downtown sort of more
Speaker 5: artsy schools, And so my mom was like, well, you.
Speaker 4: Can apply, but we're not moving.
Speaker 5: So I applied and then I ended up getting in,
Speaker 5: and then my mom, you know, let me go and
Speaker 5: tour the school. And then over the course of the year,
Speaker 5: after all of these benchmarks of you know, I sent
Speaker 5: the application, I got accepted. I then by the spring
Speaker 5: I had worn them thin, I guess, and they were like,
Speaker 5: all right, let's let's try something new. And they'd lived
Speaker 5: in Cambridge for thirty years and they went for it.
Speaker 1: So that's so cool. So you love TV and movies.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, Yes, I grew up in a TV movie household.
Speaker 4: There was no there was no limit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm a have always been a very
Speaker 5: like hard working straight a student, I would always do
Speaker 5: my homework in front of the TV.
Speaker 1: But you know, just that was there was never what
Speaker 1: a dream. I was not allowed to do that And
Speaker 1: that sounds so cool, but you guys do. But you
Speaker 1: are a movie and TV family.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 3: That's strange.
Speaker 2: You had all these limits, but you all yeah because
Speaker 2: now movies as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it reads that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we weren't allowed to watch it at all during
Speaker 1: the week only on the weekend.
Speaker 3: And then on the weekend I'd be like put blinders
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yes, that would be like if you had a friend
Speaker 5: that didn't have cable and then they came over and
Speaker 5: it would be like, yeah, we like go play.
Speaker 4: Like no show.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I would rush home from school like give me full
Speaker 2: house at four four thirty since sept five, like let's
Speaker 2: keep it going.
Speaker 5: I just yes, oh yeah, no, like when you when
Speaker 5: you got home early enough where you'd get to watch
Speaker 5: a show normally, Yeah, get to watch was very exciting
Speaker 5: and then the whole you know TRL era that was
Speaker 5: a very long Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: I get home for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have part of my lore is that I ran
Speaker 2: home to watch a Backstreet Boy premiere of a music video,
Speaker 2: but I ran home realized they didn't have keys, didn't
Speaker 2: know how to get it, broke down our back door
Speaker 2: that like where the knob is was a hole, and
Speaker 2: I like broke it and got to watch the video.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what song was it again?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it was more than that. It was like
Speaker 2: the video or the one. It was the video where
Speaker 2: it was for the fans. It was their tour and
Speaker 2: it was like, you'll be the I think it's you'll
Speaker 2: be the one more then that's more sad. It was that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: not even a giant hit, not even a giant.
Speaker 3: You're like, this is for me.
Speaker 1: We have had like a lot of people on this
Speaker 1: podcast who are also married to actors, and you're married.
Speaker 3: To an actor.
Speaker 1: How does that go? Do you guys help each other?
Speaker 1: Do help each other with scenework? Which is you know,
Speaker 1: like do you.
Speaker 4: Well there's uh.
Speaker 5: As as the industry stands right now, the majority of
Speaker 5: my auditions are done through self tape. It's very rare
Speaker 5: that I get to go into an office off the
Speaker 5: bat and audition for something, maybe for a callback or something.
Speaker 5: But so uh, John is always my reader on the
Speaker 5: other side of the of the camera. And he does
Speaker 5: have a rather distinct voice, so.
Speaker 4: I want you to tell people are like, who's that?
Speaker 3: What is it.
Speaker 4: Familiar?
Speaker 5: But yeah, as fars like, logistically, it's a huge help
Speaker 5: because I don't really have friends that are actors, not
Speaker 5: by for any reason. It's just that's just the way
Speaker 5: it is. So when I would have, you know, like
Speaker 5: my best friend read with.
Speaker 3: Me, it's it's rough.
Speaker 4: It's like, uh, you know.
Speaker 5: And so to be able to read where the other
Speaker 5: person's an actual actor and a good one, it's very
Speaker 5: very helpful. But as far as like when a job
Speaker 5: is booked, we're not really getting in each other's business
Speaker 5: or given any notes unless they're explicitly asked.
Speaker 4: But it's more just setting up.
Speaker 5: The camera and you know, yeah, making sure I look
Speaker 5: good in the light and reading the other lines.
Speaker 3: How did you guys meet? Did you guys meet on
Speaker 3: a set?
Speaker 4: Or yes, we met? We met on the last episode
Speaker 4: of mad Men, that's crazy the finale? Yes?
Speaker 3: What are yet? What is there? Pard?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I don't remember that episode very well.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember that Coca Cola of it all,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yes.
Speaker 4: So the last episode, Don Draper goes to a retreat
Speaker 4: in California, which is supposed to sort of be modeled
Speaker 4: after esseln uh you know, back in the sixties. I
Speaker 4: think this is now nineteen seventy.
Speaker 5: Is the last episode, and I play a like the
Speaker 5: receptionist basically there. So we have two scenes where we're interacting.
Speaker 5: But we shot it in Big sur So that was
Speaker 5: like I'd never been to Big Serve before, and anybody
Speaker 5: who has not been there, I highly recommend it. It
Speaker 5: was It was stunning and just like such a magical place,
Speaker 5: which is where we ended up getting married, you know, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: We really ought in the same way.
Speaker 6: That was. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, a big wedding sounds nice. Yes,
Speaker 3: And you've worked together since and is that fun?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes, Now we're working together on your Friends and Neighbors, uh,
Speaker 5: for which this we just finished the second season, which
Speaker 5: should be out in the spring. And it's fun that
Speaker 5: we get to uh, you know, go to set together,
Speaker 5: and we have our dog, and we get to live
Speaker 5: in New York for half the year and all of
Speaker 5: those things are you know, I mean, that's like value
Speaker 5: added times a million.
Speaker 4: But our characters don't really interact that much within the show.
Speaker 5: So again, we're not really like having to get into
Speaker 5: character with each other that often.
Speaker 3: Where do you guys shoot this.
Speaker 5: Your friends and neighbors. We shoot in Westchester mostly around
Speaker 5: that's here where I'm from. Oh really Connecticut, which like
Speaker 5: right by Connecticut but right by the Westchester border. Yeah,
Speaker 5: yes there, and showrunner lived lived I think in Greenwich
Speaker 5: orhen you're Greenwich and it's sort of the town is
Speaker 5: a fictional town that's like an amalgam of basically that
Speaker 5: in all of these Westchester.
Speaker 3: Ye, Rye and Larchemond. Yes, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4: You shoot a lot in Rye Harrison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I literally just clicked on it on IMDb
Speaker 1: and it's like showing a trailer of your friends and neighbors,
Speaker 1: and it's so East Colle It's so yeah, like that area.
Speaker 4: I think the main street is Main Street in Rye.
Speaker 6: Cute.
Speaker 3: If you were to come back on SBU, who would
Speaker 3: you play?
Speaker 5: I feel like in the original Mold I would make
Speaker 5: an amazing ada, agreed Paul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a Stephanie mart.
Speaker 4: Red hair exactly. Yes, so you know, I'm clearly part
Speaker 4: of the Dick Wolf.
Speaker 5: Universe as is, so maybe you never know, but yeah,
Speaker 5: that's I feel like I've I've grown into that role.
Speaker 4: I think I could pull it off. And I always
Speaker 4: wanted to be.
Speaker 5: A lawyer when I was younger, but like say, it
Speaker 5: was either an actor.
Speaker 2: Or a lawyer.
Speaker 4: I would have made a really really good lawyer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but it's so much paperwork, like it.
Speaker 5: Really exactly the best case is just to get to
Speaker 5: be a lawyer on a.
Speaker 3: TV The one I mean is the hero of the show.
Speaker 2: But if you're the if you're the DA, you're usually
Speaker 2: like you you make the case fine, it's like the
Speaker 2: last thing you're usually tricking, get someone thing. You're like
Speaker 2: wait what, and then you got to kind of get
Speaker 2: to embarrass someone.
Speaker 7: It's really yes, so electric you you get to you
Speaker 7: have the final say, you know, Rischko only only gives
Speaker 7: her two cents, but the ADA really.
Speaker 4: I also loved the a DA from from my episode
Speaker 4: of Barbara.
Speaker 1: Oh please, we love Barbara, We love Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for watching it too, it must be
Speaker 2: did you watch it when it first came out or.
Speaker 4: Absolutely yes, I'm a I need I need to see.
Speaker 3: My work on the screen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like watching it through, you know, like fingers like
Speaker 5: this because it's you're cringing half the time, but then
Speaker 5: you do want to see how it all turned out
Speaker 5: after you put that much effort and energy into it.
Speaker 5: But I hadn't seen it since then, so I enjoyed
Speaker 5: it as a fan of the show.
Speaker 4: I thought it was it's so.
Speaker 1: Nice to talk to someone who is a fan of
Speaker 1: the show, because we talked to lots of people.
Speaker 3: It's always great.
Speaker 1: But when they're like, I don't really watch, it wasn't
Speaker 1: that big of a thing for me, except that it's
Speaker 1: great to get on Law and Order if you live
Speaker 1: in New York, you know.
Speaker 3: I like when it's somebody that loves the show.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I hadn't really watched in a like I
Speaker 5: stopped watching the New Ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like I might jump back in now,
Speaker 4: might have.
Speaker 3: Now that you're now that is the main character.
Speaker 2: But did you do you leave seasons like you stopped
Speaker 2: once Stabler left or did you ever pop in for
Speaker 2: the Amaro rollin?
Speaker 4: No? No, no, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I've definitely watched after Stabler left, and I hadn't. I
Speaker 5: think I was still kind of watching like every season
Speaker 5: premiere up to like when I shot, and then I
Speaker 5: think sort of after that maybe i'd watch like the
Speaker 5: first episode and then i'd sort of like fall off,
Speaker 5: But I definitely haven't watched it in many, many many years,
Speaker 5: like like a live episode or if like what happens
Speaker 5: to be on and then I'm like, who are these people?
Speaker 4: When did this happen?
Speaker 2: There's been a lot we get a detective or like
Speaker 2: boss for a few year or a year and they're
Speaker 2: But Kevin Kane's the most consistent new guy that I
Speaker 2: think is gonna okay.
Speaker 3: I really like and this character a lot.
Speaker 5: And so sometimes I hear that Stabler pops in with
Speaker 5: some gassover episodes I drew a lot.
Speaker 1: Of over they're trying to promote his show, but they're
Speaker 1: also trolling the fans that want them to get together,
Speaker 1: even though it's never going to happen.
Speaker 3: And it's like a little it's.
Speaker 2: Always an almost kiss, it's an I love you, it's
Speaker 2: a weird letter, it's the tease, and it's like we'd
Speaker 2: want better for her, and she cannot be with this
Speaker 2: man who's treated her like a second option, right, doesn't
Speaker 2: go to therapy, Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: My wife's said, now, I could tease you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she deserves so it's like hard for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was so great.
Speaker 3: Thank you for talking to us, Thank.
Speaker 4: You, thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 1: Our listeners are going to be very excited because yeah,
Speaker 1: this was my worry.
Speaker 4: Your first is my first podcast? Wow, thank you.
Speaker 3: We couldn't tell. We couldn't tell, we couldn't tell. Excited
Speaker 3: to be your first.
Speaker 5: I think it also will be be the first one
Speaker 5: I listened to when when it comes out.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to download Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I'll email you and you'll explain to me.
Speaker 3: That was fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, she is so nice. What a nice scale, very cool,
Speaker 1: down to earth.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I also just love like she she got it together
Speaker 2: as a teen. She's like, I'm gonna go to this
Speaker 2: little red school. I'm going to be a model, and
Speaker 2: then I'm moving to LA and my whole family is
Speaker 2: going to follow me. And I'm like, okay, you're I mean,
Speaker 2: what an alpha bitch. She's like a main character energy
Speaker 2: in her fan for sure.
Speaker 3: For sure they're.
Speaker 1: Like, I guess if A is going to La, pack
Speaker 1: the bags guys, But yeah, I can't believe she's also
Speaker 1: like once I googled the photo of her in the
Speaker 1: Mad Men final episode, I'm like, yes, the little like
Speaker 1: she looks kind of like a Swiss miss girl or
Speaker 1: anything with like the red ribbons in her hair, and like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I have to watch mad Men. I do.
Speaker 2: It just is like it's so prestige. You really have
Speaker 2: to be in the mood.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Yeah, avoided for so long. I
Speaker 1: really liked it. But it's like very it is like Artie,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you're you're just like it's not
Speaker 1: like it's not like Breaking Bad, which was also very prestige,
Speaker 1: but something like crazy fucking happens every episode in Breaking Bad,
Speaker 1: you know, like Mad Men would just have some episodes
Speaker 1: that were more all.
Speaker 3: Those women seem so cool.
Speaker 2: I also like John Slattery, I was an advertising major
Speaker 2: for a semester.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that stuff would interest you. I mean
Speaker 1: it's very frustrating watching also, and like claw her way
Speaker 1: to the top because these men are you know, horrible
Speaker 1: for a lot of it. But also just like the
Speaker 1: way it's done, like you feel like you're in that
Speaker 1: time period, like you know, it's like I remember reading
Speaker 1: that Christina Hendrix like was wearing underwear from the time,
Speaker 1: but like everything is so like authentic from the time period.
Speaker 1: That and New York in a different time period is
Speaker 1: always interesting to me. You know, maybe a blizzard that's
Speaker 1: like a blizzard watch, Oh, a blizzard, you know, like, listen,
Speaker 1: you're packed in, you have three days.
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be my I'm waiting for the blizzard.
Speaker 1: Okay, if global warming might make it so that you
Speaker 1: never see mad men. Back to SVU, the post mortem
Speaker 1: on this is, yeah, fuck the fucking fuck of the
Speaker 1: rape culture.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad that that judge got recalled.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it ended up possibly resulting in some
Speaker 1: knee jerk reactions from other judges that probably unfortunately affected
Speaker 1: the wrong people. But I just think we needed to
Speaker 1: send a message to all the fucking old, crusty white
Speaker 1: judges that they can't let young, crusty white men get
Speaker 1: away with their crimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hund you know, but her book. I need
Speaker 2: to read Chanelle Miller's book, like I It's just it's
Speaker 2: such a common story and I guess it's not cool.
Speaker 2: I don't know the right words because I would hope
Speaker 2: this never happened, But it's a compelling read. I would say,
Speaker 2: like I want. I'm compelled to read it because she
Speaker 2: seems very smart, well spoken, like was able to do
Speaker 2: all that, so like to be able to kind of
Speaker 2: write about this common experience is probably helpful to a
Speaker 2: lot of people. I don't know, I'm like into it.
Speaker 2: I but the audience know. I'm not reading it. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna try. I'll buy it. I'm gonna buy it right now.
Speaker 2: I'll buy it. You know, I'm not gonna read it,
Speaker 2: but at least I'll give her something. I'm not even
Speaker 2: gonna go to Amazon. I'm gonna go to a small
Speaker 2: bookstore right now. Do I google small bookstore? Small bookstore?
Speaker 2: You know, you know it's like a good bookstore. Is
Speaker 2: Powell's Bookstore? I think it's in Portland, Casey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's like a bookstore that I think is
Speaker 1: like trustworthy in terms of shipping.
Speaker 3: And all that.
Speaker 1: But all right, well, speaking of the book, let's get
Speaker 1: into our what would Sister Peg Do, which is our
Speaker 1: weekly segment where we direct you towards a book, an organization,
Speaker 1: something to give you more info about what we talked
Speaker 1: about today, and obviously we want to point you towards
Speaker 1: Chanelle Miller's book. Know my Name is what it's called.
Speaker 1: This is her account of the events of her sexual assault,
Speaker 1: but also the trial and how she coped with it all.
Speaker 1: And I'll say, like her impact statement is so well
Speaker 1: written and amazing that I can only imagine the book
Speaker 1: is just like, you know, a longer version of that.
Speaker 1: And she talked about how writing this book was her
Speaker 1: attempt to reappropriate her narrative identity.
Speaker 3: So check out No My Name.
Speaker 1: You can also check out she wrote a why a
Speaker 1: novel that has nothing to do with the crime called
Speaker 1: Magnolia Wu Unfolds It All and the main character is
Speaker 1: a Chinese American nine year old sock detective.
Speaker 3: What's a sock detective? Missing socks and reunites them with.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's freaking cute. And it takes place
Speaker 1: in New York. If you have a teen or somebody
Speaker 1: that's into the YA type books, let's get them Magnolia
Speaker 1: Woo Unfolds It All for this coming holiday season, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that will. Both of those books will be linked in
Speaker 1: our show notes and they will also be posted as
Speaker 1: stories the day this episode comes out, and those get saved.
Speaker 1: Those stories get saved in our WWSPD highlights. You can
Speaker 1: always go back if you're feeling generous and check out
Speaker 1: some of the organizations we've recommended and donate money or
Speaker 1: read books or articles or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for saving all of them, Kara. I think probably,
Speaker 2: I think they know it's not me doing it, but
Speaker 2: just to make sure a loud shout out. I'm also
Speaker 2: hoping that we meet more guests in the wild. It
Speaker 2: is just more exciting it is when you kind of
Speaker 2: trap a human out in the wild and brand and
Speaker 2: get him in there.
Speaker 1: Oh it's my I mean I've so far I lured
Speaker 1: one guest in from the playground. Yeah, you've got one
Speaker 1: from the comedy club. And you're meeting people on sets
Speaker 1: now that you're luring in. I think it's good. I
Speaker 1: think it's good. We're trapping people, we're setting up traps
Speaker 1: in the wilds and I love it. Next week we're
Speaker 1: going way back. We're going way back Russian love poem
Speaker 1: from Season one, episode twelve. And we appreciate all of
Speaker 1: you listening. Have a safe and spooky Halloween. Bye.
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Speaker 3: Dun dun