WEBVTT - Rape Interrupted w/ Anna Osceola 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.400 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:31.560 Done, done, Hello, and welcome. So that's messed up an 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:35.640 SVU podcast. I'm Kara Klank and I'm Lee's a Tragger. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.040 We talk SVU true crime, but up top we gab 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.599 oh and we have celebrity guests. I don't know why 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.080 I forgot we do this all the time. Okay. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.600 I do want to start by saying, last week I 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.600 was so angry, but I have thought about the David 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.800 Cross situation, and I think what upsets me the most 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.680 is me not acting how I would normally act. It's 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.840 like when you betray your true self, Like my normal 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.120 self would be like, what the fuck did you just say? 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.160 What's going on here? You're such an asshole? 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.959 Like it's that I'm mad that I didn't act in 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.200 the moment what I was feeling. It's like, that's the 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.240 true thing. The betrayal to myself is what's most upsetting. 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.560 And being bullied of course, but I feel. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.000 Like I also understand why you did that because you're 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.679 like a guest and it's like a cancer charity and 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.560 you're not trying to cause a scene and you're you're 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.200 trying to meet this like hero of yours and not 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.360 be you know, like I can understand why you didn't. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:29.399 Yeah, but I was. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.520 Just thinking reflecting, I'm like, why am I? Because I 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.560 kept crying, I kept tearing up like anyone I told 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.520 about it. I'm like, I'm like tearing up right now. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.600 And it's like it's because of like, oh, that's not 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:41.680 you girl, Like I should have walked over and been 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:42.440 like what did he tell you? 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:43.640 What's going on here? 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:44.800 Uh? You know? 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.880 But yeah, I fell into the trap. I'm just a 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:48.800 little bunny rabbit. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.760 I have a feeling you're gonna have more chances with 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:52.920 Hanka's area as well. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.200 You will meet him again, and let's see, it's a 0:01:55.240 --> 0:02:00.160 protective order of custody. I also have another retraction and 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.360 some tailor people. So I love that. The okay so 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.640 I said canceled like is it a blott blake whatever? 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.800 If it's about Sophie Turner, I do love that. And 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.119 I just saw theory. It's two l's like the British way, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.200 so I would be very into that. I still think 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.799 Father Figure is not about Scott Burdschotta, but I'll look 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.919 into it more and more, and you know, I take 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:20.200 it back. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:20.760 I take it back. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.800 We've got a lot of comments that it was about 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.280 that Scott guy, who I've never even heard of, but. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:25.639 That's what. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.240 My tears ricochets about him. I mean, yeah, maybe either way. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.800 I like the songs, but I do apologize that I 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.880 was wrong about the theories. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.400 So I mean, who's to say who's wrong and who's 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.240 right unless you hear it out of Taylor's mouth. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.639 Let me show you the cassette. Isn't this cute? Wait? 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.320 Tune around like people shit okay, like people are shitting 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.839 on her for like making variants the smile I got 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.520 when I saw this tape, I mean, it is orange 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:53.959 and glitter. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.160 Is that not fun? That is really fun. I love 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:57.560 a tape. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.640 I mean I have a tape player as part of 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.320 my steer system because I have my all my mixes 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.640 from high school and college and I love them. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.920 I love the tape. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.440 But yeah, I was listening to something on NPR about 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.600 how she sold like more vinyl than like an entire 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.639 record store can sell in like ten years or so. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:16.160 It's Elvis. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:17.680 I mean, at the end of the day, it's like 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.600 she is like capitalists playing whatever you want to say. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.800 But like I guess so many record stores are like, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.239 we're in business because of Taylor Swift. Yeah, and instead 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.280 of being mad at all the variants, maybe think about, 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.640 like why her fans want to spend this money so bad? 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.600 I bought that tape before she released the name of 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:36.960 the album. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.360 Or and here's the deal, here's the thing I wanted 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:39.960 to No one forced me, no one. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:44.120 For Yeah, she's her or her label or whatever is 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.080 spending the money to make all the variants. If people 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.960 don't buy them, they eat that cost. If people buy them, 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.560 they buy them, Like I don't know, like people obviously 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.480 want the stuff. So this is the capitalism society that 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.080 we've all had. But the thing is, I was a 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.120 giant backstrip boy fan. I had a piggy bank, I 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.680 had folders, I had notebooks, I had Halter tops, I. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:07.880 Had anything you can name I got. I had everything backstreet. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.880 That is part of our culture. I guess, I don't know, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.680 being psycho, but yeah, also, like her twelve songs on 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:21.760 Life of a Showgirl, combined have more streams than all 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.160 the rest of the eighty eight songs on the Billboard 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:25.400 one hundred combined. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.360 Wow, that's so crazy. It's really crazy. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.720 I mean, she's got a choke hold on an audience 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.680 and yeah, it's yeah, it's nuts. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.719 That's really those numbers are nuts. Well, I did so 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:40.840 a couple episodes ago. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.920 I was filling Karen I Love, I mean, I'm a 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.840 lost culture SEUs girly and that they got bumped from 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.600 their studio because of Malala. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.359 And then Malala did. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.320 Like a disc tick talk not really like funny, yeah, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.159 but of like working out, So if you want to 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.479 do that lore. So then my friend Drew Anderson books 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.479 me on like a trivia show he's working on, and 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.919 I'm so excited. Then I get a text, Love, we 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.360 have to bump you this week for celeb question because 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.000 we randomly booked Malala. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.880 Lol, We'll get you another week. It's like, what the 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.240 fuck you? 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:17.320 You texted me. 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.080 This while we were talking about the blue note thing, 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.159 and I was like, the guy's saying he's bumping you 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:23.920 for Malala. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:28.520 This man is insane. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.400 I don't know. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.120 Shockingly, the Malala thing is real, but it's separate, but 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.000 the man from Springfield, Missouri has not paid me yet 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:37.599 for my God. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.080 We'll see what happens. But this episode's coming out Halloween week. 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.800 I'll be in Baltimore. Come see me in Baltimore this 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:46.960 weekend at the Port Call Money Club to see what 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.920 she's wearing. Spooky You're shows. 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:51.640 Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.800 I went to Halloween Horror Nights last night at Universal Studios, 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.520 my third time going in my life. I went in 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.680 like twenty nineteen, then I think I went again in 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.440 like twenty twenty two or three, and then I went 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.240 this year. But this year I went VIP for the 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.120 first time ever, and it was I'm talking with your 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.080 celeb print, Yes, because I got mad at you last 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.200 time because you went with different people when you had 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.799 access to the VIP and I remember getting very upset 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:20.000 with you. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.559 No, I've never been VIP there before. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.840 I know because he invited you, but you already had 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.280 plans to go with our other friends. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.839 And I said, you're you're a dumbo. Oh I'm so stupid, 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:28.360 and you're right. 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.120 I was like, you're not gonna go with this famous 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.760 ass motherfucker. Now that I've done it. Yeah, Oh my 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.040 supid like when I went that year. When I went 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.600 that year, No, you're fully valvating everything. When I went 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.400 that year, I mean I think we went to three 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.240 hunted houses because every line is like at least an hour, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.280 like they oh, I think they overbook the park, like 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.200 they shouldn't book as many. I know it's whatever, it's capitalism, 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.840 but like it's too the lines are wild. So this 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.720 was like not just express past. It was like we 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.120 had a tour guide. We had a guide taking us 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.320 through and that was just great. Like we went to 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.360 every single haunted house. We went on rides. I had 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.080 never gone on rides at Universal before because like, I've 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.640 only been to Universal to go to horror nights. I've 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.560 never been during the day, Simpsons ride anything like that. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.360 I didn't get to go on the Simpsons ride, but 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:23.000 I went on the Harry Potter ride. The way my 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.400 face lit up on that fucking Harry Potter ride, my 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:26.840 husband was about to throw up all. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.960 Over the place. I was having the time of my life. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.400 I was like, I'm playing quidditch with Harry Potter and 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:32.119 I hate JK. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.400 Rowling. This is not an endorsement of JK. Rowling. 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.840 I'm just saying the way they do shit with rides 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.400 there where it's more screens, like kind of tricking you 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.640 into thinking that you're on a roller coaster as opposed 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.760 to being on a roller coaster is cool. Like someone 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.200 was telling me last night. One of our friends that 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.720 was with me was like, Oh, my friends that live 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.440 in other parts of the world said that, like the 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.520 US is so far behind, like on amusement parks, like 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.840 compared to other parts of the world. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.560 Where they don't even have tech knowledge. We don't even 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.520 have trains. I know, I don't even have high powered trains. 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.160 Do you think we're gonna have a roller coaster techno? 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:05.840 Well, the thing with high power trains is that people 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.400 aren't gonna use them because we're car culture. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.200 But I think people will go to amusement. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.400 Car culture because the car people lobbyists spend the money 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.880 to make exactly and ruin our lives astly. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:16.280 Exactly. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:20.160 No, it's all bullshit, But the the rides were cool. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.240 We did a Mario cart ride where we got to 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.600 shoot little like it's all three D You're wearing like 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.640 these three D things and you're shooting like bad guys. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.120 And then what other ride did we do? We did 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:32.080 one more ride? 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:38.000 Uh oh my god, I'm oh oh it was Transformers. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:42.079 That was fun too, but it was great. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.439 I mean, I gotta say, I don't think I need 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.080 to go now for like four more years. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.440 Like I don't think I need to go again. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.520 Like it it's a lot, Like it's humongous. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.880 I think I walked five miles. Nice. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.199 You check your steps? Check your steps? I know I 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.000 should check my steps. What I do my health? Okay, wait, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:00.480 what do I do? I go to health on here? 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:06.200 Seventeen thousand wow, seventeen thousand steps yesterday. I mean it's crazy, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.360 you're like walking all over the place, so right, because. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.960 Ten thousand steps is what you want? Yeah, no, that's 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.480 like an incredible amount of steps. 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:14.199 I knew. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.720 I mean I wanted to hear the number, and I'm not. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.960 It was like today, I'm like dead, like but we 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.600 went into every haunted house. I mean, I don't really 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.920 get that scared in those haunted houses. Like for some reason, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.719 I can just see when the people are coming out, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.360 and so it doesn't scare me. One one girl got 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.560 me good in this one house, but and I screamed. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.480 But then it's just like a lot of houses, like 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.480 Casey's going to know all these movies, but there's like 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.079 a Terrifier house, you know, Terrifier Lisa. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.199 Only because Katya talks about it NonStop. 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.560 She talks about it so much that I've had to 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.839 I've had to go forward thirty seconds because. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.079 You know, why else I know about it. Annie Letterman's 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.720 in the third one or something. I know, I shot up, Yeah, 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.600 like because he likes Calm. I think he's I think 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:02.040 she's in it. Yeah, Annie's a Verify three. So that's 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.720 how I knew about it, because she's chatting about it hilarious. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.040 Oh my god, does she get murdered? I wonder? I 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:13.080 mean I bet, I mean the way talks about these murders. 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.000 These movies are like it's like the most horrific shit 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.959 you can see. I think like they, like my friend 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.679 was saying, like, yeah, they just really linger on like 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.320 all of the gore, like for a long time, Like 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:29.600 it's really nasty. But I went in the house for it, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.480 you know, too much for me, too much, like a 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:32.840 lot of it. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.640 I think it was your group. It was it just 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.720 the four of you guys. We were eleven people. 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:41.360 Oh my god eleven VIPs just yeah, and that because 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.800 one person canceled. But it was like yeah, and we 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.480 had this like guy with us who was like really 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.400 into Universal and like proud to work there, and he 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.560 like took us around. He like had lived in Chicago 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.680 and a lot of people with us were Chicago comics 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.560 so like or people, so he was like talking everybody 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.559 about Chicago and like it was great. It was great. Yeah, 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.680 it was just nice. I wanted to eat. I stupidly 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.400 didn't eat before I went, so that was dumb. But 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.839 because then, like they can't vip you through lines for food. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.080 My friend said that in past years they've taken you 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.320 to like some kind of cafeteria where you like sit 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:17.240 for an hour and. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:18.959 That's like the like that's the VIP thing. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.439 But this year that wasn't part of it this year, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.480 and I think everybody was fine with that. I just 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:24.880 was like, I wish I could just grab like a 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.640 piece of pizza, But did you get food? Starving? I 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:34.560 just ate at midnight when I got home. It was crazy. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.600 I finally decided I'm gonna buy groceries. You just reminded 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.400 me because this is what happened. I went to get 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:41.960 a sandwich, and I wasn't really in the mood for 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.840 any what I wanted and this is creepy whatever, maybe 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.400 it's weird. I wanted like a cheese panini with just 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.680 peppers and onions, so kind of like a filly cheese 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.280 steak without the meat like I just wanted to and 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:59.160 a Gatorade zero And it was eighteen dollars And I said, 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.199 you know what, I think I got to start buying groceries. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.360 That's how much for you to have around. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.600 That's more expensive than my sushi spot where I get 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.439 sushi for lunch, Like that's more. But to me it's 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.200 also also if it was like a giant hero that 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.000 I could say for lunch the next day and it 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.840 was filled with like meats and she's all this stuff, 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.439 like I probably wouldn't really clock it. But the fact 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.800 that it was just like I got American pepper jack 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.199 bell peppers and onions and a gatorade and it being 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.560 eighteen kind of really bothered me. 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.120 It wasn't worth well. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.640 But at the same time, like my bodega closed because 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.600 they're just raised the rents. I caught, like you can't 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.319 pay these New York rents selling sandwiches, you know what 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.160 I mean, Like alcohol is what makes most restaurants their money. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.680 Like, so I feel bad for these. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.640 Places, Like I think that there's not going to be 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.680 things keep going in this trajectory for New York, which 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.600 hopefully with the new leadership that's probably coming in it 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.800 will change. But like, you know, you're not gonna be 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.680 able to get a piece of pizza without walking to 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.839 like a totally different neighborhood. I feel like, or it's 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.520 gonna be one thousand dollars, but what I can't even 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.840 talk A new pizza place just open in my neighborhood 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.360 where it's thirty dollars for for like a pizza bye, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.760 Like so you know it's everywhere, but like a but 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:26.640 if it was, it was just like, yeah, I just couldn't. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.960 Are you into seeing this movie after the Hunt? 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.040 I haven't heard of it. It's Julia Roberts and I. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.080 Oh maybe doing the press. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.319 Yeah I've seen the press. I didn't realize, oh pupils. 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.199 Yeah I probably not, probably not, probably not, but I 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.400 would maybe. Yeah, I still have to see one Battle 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.079 Aft or another. I can't even And it's so baby 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.600 and it's spooky season like this is not what I'm 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.280 doing right now. I'm not after the hunting, but I'm 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.000 a fan. I'm a fan. I'll do Oh Choe seven battle. 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.600 You gotta see one battle so fucking good. But yeah, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.960 this guy this, I mean he did Challengers. He did 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.160 you know call me by your name? The director? 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.679 Yeh, oh my god. Okay. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.640 So I'm at soul cycle today and the teacher goes, hey, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.800 I've been playing this is our final song. She's like, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.600 I've been playing the song almost every day this week, 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.080 and I keep getting requests for it. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:24.320 So I'm playing it again. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.440 And it's the from the Oppenheimer it's the Oppenheimer like soundtrack, 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.480 and I'm like, are we really doing this again? 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.680 And we did. We did spin to it on Sunday. 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.640 But it's just like music from the soundtrack from the 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:39.680 movie Oppenheimer. And I'm just instrumental or did somebody remix 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.760 it to be more gay what happened? No, it's instrumental. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.560 It's just from the movie. I didn't see Oppenheimer, so 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.080 I can't really tell you, like what part. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.160 I can't really tell you what bops there are from Oppenheimer, 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:52.680 like woa, and. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.560 I just couldn't believe that people are dming her requesting 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.200 more Oppenheimer, and she did play it Sunday, but I 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.000 was like, I yeah, yeah. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.320 That is hilarious. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.040 They're like, Okay, the bomb's about to go off, everybody 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:12.360 turn it up. What the fun because she used to 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.320 play a lot of the Challengers soundtrack. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:19.000 But that's really sexy. Yeah, that's sexy, fun, upbeat. It's tennis, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.480 so like it's different than this Oppenheimer movie. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.200 But like weal, yeah, I've been spinning when you go 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:24.600 next time? 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.240 Will you please find out the name of the track, 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.800 because I'm looking at the track. 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.560 She posts playlists. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.880 I'll the track names are hilarious, Like one is Kitty 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.760 comes to Testify, one is what have We Done? 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.480 Another is Atmospheric Ignition. 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.880 I need to know which one you guys are sweating 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.720 it out to at Soul Cycle. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.240 This is so fucking funny. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:52.400 Okay, she hasn't posted, uh, the the playlist yet, but 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.480 I'll make sure the screenshot will post it or like 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.080 we'll talk about it next week or something. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:00.640 Yes, please let me know. That is hilarious. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.400 Also, because I'm still out here telling everybody in California 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.560 to vote Yes, I'm prop fifty. You still have five 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.280 You have six more days till election day? Now, will 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:10.840 you have a week because this comes out on Tuesday, 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.240 election days in one week, Please go vote. 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:13.840 Yes I'm fifty. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.840 Because we talked to an activist did I went to 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.040 a postcarding event for this and like wrote postcards to 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.680 people to vote yes I'm fifty. And she was saying, like, 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.880 if you put no ICE signs and you make a 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.600 yes I'm fifty sign, it shows people that you're a 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.680 good pert, like you actually is yeah, yeah, you know 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.280 it's like okay, but you're yes I'm fifty, but who 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:35.680 are you? 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:35.920 You know? 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:37.960 Like, and so if it's like you make people know 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.440 that you also want the fucking fake police out of 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.240 your city. And I love all the prank I love 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.880 the pranking though. I love that they're they're blasting music 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.120 outside their hotels. I love that they're trying to make 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.200 ice people's lives miserable. It's really making my that's that's 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.720 my small amount of self. I got to be egging 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.320 these guys like things need to be happening. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.760 I mean, I'm and want them. I don't know, I 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.600 don't know. It's like, yeah, really is it bad in 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.960 New York, Like, are you now? I don't, I don't. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.440 I don't know if I've writ that video. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.640 Watching Chicago and Portland, I feel like, yeah, but if 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.960 mom Zannie wins, like fucking, who knows what's going to 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:15.480 happen here? 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.000 It's seeming like that's happening. He's got a way. I mean, 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:21.760 I think so. I just don't want to. I can't. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.600 I don't know what's going to happen. I know, I know. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.040 We can't count on fucking anything these days, except you 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.840 can count on us to give you order SVO. We're here, 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:37.240 We're here. I haven't watched the latest. Oh big news 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:42.320 for me canceling my cable as of this recording. As 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.960 of this recording, my cable will have been shut off yesterday. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:50.360 And what me, What's happened? I'm you know, I've been 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.159 researching this morning. I was literally researching, going, how do 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:54.920 you keep track of all the TV shows that you watch? 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.119 Because now that I'm getting rid of my DVR, like, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.400 you know, all my Housewives that I haven't watched are 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.200 just sitting there, you know, And if I miss one, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:03.720 like or if I miss a recording of something, I can 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.760 just go back and it'll record the next time it 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.360 comes on. So now I have to just be like, Okay, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.560 what day of the week is it? What comes out? 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.080 So I'm looking up some apps. If anyone has any 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.440 ideas on Peacock. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:17.919 That's easy fix. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:18.960 I know. 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.320 But it's just like I will, I don't. I just 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.679 forget to like go into Peacock, you know what I mean. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.960 I want to be like, oh, today's Thursday. That means 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.200 there's a new salt Lake from yesterday or whatever. Like 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.120 that's incorrect, but you know what I mean, some more 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:36.040 work into a dexter. Since last time I spoke, no, 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:41.960 I'm on like episode seven. I'm getting deep in. Yeah, yes, no, 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.000 I told you last time I met, I met all 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.800 the main people. I met all the big the crew, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.800 the party, I met the cow and Eric stone Street 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.159 is really making me laugh. He's a great he's a 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.280 great casting for that. I mean, it's a fun it's 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.080 a fun idea edible. He really is such a good 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.720 actor and so funny. And I learned he won three Emmys, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:03.600 so that makes sense. 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:04.760 Yeah. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.040 Oh and when I was telling you about David dest Meulchin, 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.920 did you mention that he Yeah, so I finally saw him. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.679 Great twist in that story, right, great fucking twist, and. 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:18.000 They nailed that. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.520 I can't wait to see him at a party and 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:22.800 be like Gemini, Oh. 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.399 My god, tell him, I say hi, Tell him, I 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:25.640 say hi. Oh. 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:27.760 Also, I did meet at one of our listeners on 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.320 the train platform. They were here on vacation, but like 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.439 a tricksy sweater where the sweater is Trixy's face, and 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.240 so I went, I love your sweater and she goes, yeah, 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.080 it's tricksy, and I go truly very RECOGNI yeah, of 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.960 course it's tricksy. Who could it be? Who else could 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:47.800 it be? Oh my god, Zoey de Chanel And I'm like, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.360 is it Katie Perry. It's like this person is so 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.120 it just made me laugh. I'm like, yeah, I could 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.399 tell yeah, yeah, all right. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.000 What do you think? Should we get started? We should? 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.720 We should make sure you listen to the spin. You 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.600 have to watch Barbarian for Halloween. 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.760 You you have to. I'm going too sick of it. 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:08.920 I'm going to I'm gonn watch Barbarian And we're gonna 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.640 do a full recap, so spoilers don't like. Everybody, get ready, 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.480 We're gonna talk about Barbarian. Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, it'll 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:17.400 be another weapons. 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.360 Yeah, but it's it's I mean, yeah, if you want 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.280 to watch Barbarian and watch it. I think if you 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.040 like this podcast, you like the content, you like SVU, 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:29.560 I think you're gonna. 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:30.520 Love You're gonna like it. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.840 Yeah, even if it pushes you a little bit past 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.639 your comfort and fear stuff, It's worth it. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.000 It's worth it. Okay, I'm excited. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.040 I mean I kind of already know a lot of 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.000 what happens, because I did have my husband explain to 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:44.000 me the plot word for word. 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:45.160 But that was your show. 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:47.960 So I'm ready to watch it with my own eyes 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.919 and absorb it and except close them at all of 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:51.840 the parts that are scary. 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:52.160 Okay. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.119 Uh, go to That's messed Up Live dot Com for 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:59.040 Lisa Tour, dates for merch that will be dropping soon. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:03.199 To keep your eye out for links to all of 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.600 our social and everything that you need from us. It's 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.000 all up there. 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I mean, truly, 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.320 what a time this. When this aired, we were just 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.919 dealing with a rape interrupted. No, this is a horrific episode. 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:05.959 I feel like I've been avoiding doing this and this 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.399 case I have not wanted to. It enrages me. I 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:13.919 know all episodes are tough, but like this like infuriates me. 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:15.640 I'd avoid it. I message, you don't make you gotta 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.360 do the crime. But then I was watching the whole 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.639 episode being like, honestly, I'm pissed now too, Like I 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.080 would have been pissed either way, but we had to 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:28.479 do it. And you'll know why if you're a real listener. Okay, 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:32.119 it's fall there's a hey, vibe Garland on the door. 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.280 That's how I know that it's fall context clue. So 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.280 a man who is you know, he's annoying for sure, 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.919 we don't trust him immediately. And he's holding flowers and 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.720 he's knocking in a suit and his name is Corey 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.360 Cott and he's the new detective Jake Griffin. If you're 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:51.480 watching season twenty seven, and I will say, is IMDb 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.800 photo pretty hot, a little cheesy, but hot. 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:56.920 Okay, it's hot. 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:01.800 Im It's kind of crazy because you're going to find 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.320 out that his last name on this episode is Griffin. 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.880 Oh crazy, and his name is Jake Griffin. 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:14.119 Like you would think you would just change the Jake Griffiths, 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.359 like make it close but not the same, you know, 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.920 Like I wonder it's quite crazy. But it was crazy 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.600 because I watched, you know, the season twenty seven Episode'm like, 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.199 he's played a rapist before. I wonder which one, and 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.840 I thought it was like more frat vibes. And then 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.159 I got to watch this like a moment later, and 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.280 I was like, Okay, cool, what a blessing to be 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.600 able to pinpoint the rapist from the episode. Yeah, but 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:39.879 they've kept him in the same family he's the evil 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.320 twin of the new detective. 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:46.240 I guess, and okay, so his name is Ellis and 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:48.080 a woman oggs him, and then a man's there and 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.479 who is at Anthony Edwards? And he's in flannel they 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.400 have you know, and there's wine. He got a promotion. 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.760 He's going to be Goldman Sachs newest fixed income trader. 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:05.280 I mean, I can't imagine celebrating something more boring and evil. Okay, 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:09.280 So Anthony Edwards is so proud of him. Mom hugs him. 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:13.960 His phone buzzes and he's distracted. You know, it's Halloween weekend, 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.560 and it's like I fucking knew it. So then the 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.080 dad is a buzzkill and goes, don't get too shit faced. 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.480 We have to clean the garage out tomorrow. So I 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:26.200 guess the celebration ends quickly, and then he goes unless 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.200 you're too big time for that, and they all look 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.520 giggle and cheers. So now from this cheers with his parents. 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.240 We're at a red solo cup Vibe. He's in a 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:38.920 polo shirt dancing. There are girls, they're slutty pirates. There's 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:42.320 a slutty mouse and he's just in a polo and don't. 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.159 I don't like that. I don't like if you're not 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:45.680 dressing it. 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.800 So then he's especially because you made it a big deal, 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:50.960 like this is this big party weekend. You can't even 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.960 put on an angel thing on your head. So he 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.919 sees a cute girl walks over to introduce himself, and 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:02.960 he like is ignoring the in that she's with, and like, listen, 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.960 you just as a human rule, you have to acknowledge 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.200 everyone around you, even if you don't want to have 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.000 sex with them. 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.359 And that's just like something that I believe in. So 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.960 then this actress, you won't believe who it is. 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.800 It is John Hamm's wife, Anna Asciola, and she is 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.840 an actress. She's in this episode and we did book 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:26.440 her because of the Comedy Seller night at the Comedy 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:27.359 Seller whatever. 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.040 The John ham evening, and. 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.880 We're very excited and I'm so excited that we got 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.400 to talk to her. Yeah, this is the first time 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.440 we've revealed a guest before it's happened. Do you guys 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.800 care as anyone has anyone not looked at anything in 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:41.080 a way. 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.119 Leave a scathing review on Spotify if you hate that 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.240 we spoiled this two minutes into the episode. 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:49.680 But yeah, when I did meet her, I did keep 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:51.240 staring at her face. We have talked. 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:53.560 She was an sview and that is how we got 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.960 to do this episode that I've been avoiding forever because 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:56.840 it infuriates me. 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.639 So an amazing performance. 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:03.320 So the girls they go to dance without him, they're 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:05.439 not that interested, but she kind of it, you know. 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:07.720 She looks over to him and tells her cousin like, oh, 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.440 he's cute, and he has a sight set on her 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:11.120 for sure. 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:12.679 So then they start. 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:17.320 Flirting and she asks if he's dressed as Jordan's spife. 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.080 I googled you that is it is a professional golfer, 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:25.160 which is insane when you go, are you being a golfer? 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:29.160 Like who knows who Jordan's spyfe is? It's yes, Oh 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.840 he gives a shit, Oh you know who it is? 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.240 Who you would go up to someone and go, you're 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.480 Jordan's speif wouldn't you say Tiger Wood? 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.600 Like that is Tiger Woods is the very bad I know. 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.400 He was very big for a very small period of time, 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:45.359 but it is. 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:48.040 Odd Tiger Woods is the only famous golfer I could 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:53.439 think of, or maybe don't Rory something I don't know Farmer, 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.760 John Daily, John Daly, Yeah, the drink. 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.840 And there's like a girl, there's a girl that was good. 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:04.840 There was one Asian girl. I remember Tiger Woods Michelle Wee, 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:05.760 Michelle Wee. 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.679 Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Golfers are just not getting in 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.680 my head by name. I'm trying to when they win 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.720 the big thing, even when they win the Masters or whatever, 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:15.480 I'm not remembering. 0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.160 I'm trying to think if I know one more golfer. 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:24.680 There's a guy named Rory mccacklan. Is that Rory McElroy. 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.360 Rory McElroy. There we go. 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:29.600 I don't know you were such a golf fiend, Casey. 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:31.320 This is actually pretty shot it. 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.879 I'm I'm a sporto, I know sports, and those are 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.360 all very famous golfers. 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:38.720 I think I've blocked that out. 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:44.920 All right, we're here whatever, so that okay, okay, pay attention, 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:46.159 like now, listen this. 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.720 He asks her do you like golf? She says no? 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:55.600 So he's that famous that a girl, a young twenty 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:57.760 something knows who he is. 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.080 Like the man what man wrote this? Yeah? This is 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.040 a guy. This is a guy wrote this episode. Fucking 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:05.000 man wrote this. 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.560 I also just looked it up. This episode written by 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:13.680 two women, Julie Martin and Brienna Yellen. Yeah, wild wild. 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.080 Maybe they love golf, these women. 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.960 I don't know. So he's not Jordan Speed. He's just 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:20.040 dressed like himself. 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:20.280 Right. 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.399 He won a FedEx cup? Like, how good can it 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:24.920 be if it's called the FedEx Cup? 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:27.160 You know what I mean? 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:32.120 Oh, he has two million followers. Oh my god, what 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:33.960 he's an under armored. 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:39.920 I mean, listen, eh, I can see if you were 0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.720 like raised, you know in Alabama. 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.200 I don't know, no, not not for me. We have 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:45.960 to move on though. 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.280 This guy looks like he's we just got a move Like, 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.400 I wonder how the Jordan Speed podcast? 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:50.640 Now? 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.000 So anyways, how do you know? Okay, I can't. 0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.320 I thought all my notes are like, why are we 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:01.400 talking about this golfer? 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:03.400 They meet on the dance floor. 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.760 Cut to him knocking on a bathroom door and just 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.040 walking in and she's puking in the sink and she's 0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.360 not doing well. And I would like to mention that 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.560 earlier while they were flirting, like she was trying to 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.160 pour vodka but it was empty, and he got one 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.720 out of the cupboard, like another handle and was like, look, 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.600 I got it. So I don't think a whole handle 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:23.960 over there could have been poisoned to like date rape 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:24.680 the whole party. 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.560 But you know, we don't really know. 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:30.800 She could have just shrank too much, too like I 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:32.400 don't know, but she has wasted. 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.120 She calls him the wrong name. She says, it's really 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:36.800 hot in here. 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.680 He chuckles, And now it cuts to a man screaming, 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:41.520 get away from her. What are you doing to her? 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.800 And Ellis is getting aggressive towards the sky. The cops arrive. 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.400 People are recording on their phones. You know, it's nighttime commotion. 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.280 The guy who started to fight with him is leather 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.760 jacket and Ellis. They're fighting, and Ellis goes, get the 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.160 fuck out of here, and then the leather tells the 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:58.880 cops he's raping that girl. 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:00.840 The girl is passed out. 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.520 She is out cold, Like it is really fucked watching, 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.640 Like that's what's so frustrating about this episode. It's like, 0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:12.600 you know, her laying there amongst the trash, clearly out cold, 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.800 and it even still being a debate or question as 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:21.000 to what it is like, that's what like extra bothers 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.600 me that it's like okay, well, clearly he did it. 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.560 It's like, well, I don't know. I just can't believe 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.960 it's a discussion. It's like, what a fucked. 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:32.080 World shaped world we live in that it's because it's 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.000 like horrifying to see her laying there. 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:37.800 Benson was good, okay. 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:41.320 So now we're like, we're at work, so Benson is 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:43.920 trying to leave, and of course, you know, unattempted rape, 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.040 and we need her to stay. 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.640 Carisi has him Fins in the background. 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.320 The victim is at Mercy and Rollins is on her 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.760 way to the hospital. Leather guy's in the background. He's 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.280 obviously kind of like the sexy hero of the night, 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.680 we would say, and and then Ella says he didn't 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.280 witness anything and that this guy has to be mistaken. 0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.560 So now Cariese and him earn cement room bars and 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.200 he goes, I mean, can't we what can we do 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.440 to get this to go away? And Carisey goes, oh, 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:17.360 you're not going away, You're going viral shows him the phone. 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.840 It's like a photo of the girl sleeping outside near 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.680 the trash. The internet is everywhere. There were people taping, 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.120 and I think in his eyes he's finally like panicking like, 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.480 oh fuck, fuck hook fu fuck, And we're at the 0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.560 credits and Benson's long bob center part is so hot. 0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.440 It's like such a great look. So now Benson is 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.960 getting off the phone with Rollins. She's in thick framed glasses, 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.200 looking amazing, and she has the scoop. The victim's name 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:47.000 is Janie Spears, who is still unconscious, so oh she 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:50.520 wanted it. Well, she's still unconscious, so probably not high 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.200 blood alcohol. Benson walks over to Caresy in front of 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.719 the spy window. She's like, I Betty claims it's consensual, 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.240 and obviously that's what's happening. 0:31:58.640 --> 0:31:58.840 Yeah. 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.320 Carisee's like yeah, he saying that they just wanted to 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.240 fuck in the park and the witness is wrong about 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.440 what he saw and he has not made any calls 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.560 to any lawyers or anybody, and he's down to talk. 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.160 So Benson tells Lucy, I'm not coming home and doesn't 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:17.240 even ask if it's okay. So then cancel your plans, bitch. 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.320 I hope you're an AMC stubs member to get I mean, 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.640 she probably just never makes plans. She must be saving 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:29.120 for an early retirement, Like what, yeah, what is the situation. 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.160 Or she's like a college student and this is just 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.200 she just studies or something, you know, college student, we've 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:35.280 known her for twelve years. 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:37.640 College student, I don't know. 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:40.920 No, we've known her for a little unless she's like 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:44.480 a a grad college grad student, you know, like I 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:45.720 don't know, she could be studying. 0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:46.720 I don't know what. 0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.560 How is her life so available for Olivia Benson at 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:50.080 all times? 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.800 Like she's getting fifty dollars an hour. Then needs to 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:57.080 have a backup care. She needs some backup care anny. 0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.880 We can't yeah, trigger backup nanny. 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:01.600 Listen. 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.200 I wasn't gonna say it. Okay, Well, Lucy doesn't have plans. 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:07.800 So they all enter cement room bars. He declines of 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:09.760 the coffee, so I'm like, okay, smart rapist. And then 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.400 he does sip it, so he is an idiot. He 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.080 says he was at a Halloween party. They met, they danced, 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.280 they drank, they hung out on Coreesy's like, okay, we 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:20.640 need details, you fucking more on he's and then he's nervous. 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:22.560 But he's like, I'm not nervous because I did anything wrong. 0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.840 And there and Benson goes, okay, just slow down, just 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.240 tell us what happened. So they ran into each other 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.760 at the bathroom. She wanted air. They went outside. It 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.880 was after midnight. She seemed drunk but fine. Benson asks, 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.400 what does fine mean? He says, talking and laughing, and 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.120 they were kissing. She was into it. Now we cut 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.360 the leather jacket. Hot guy and he has a like 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.520 long hair and an accent, and he goes, he goes, 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.720 that girl was not into it. Finn asks how he 0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.160 can tell. He goes, she wasn't moving. He goes, I 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:53.920 yelled at him, but he didn't do anything. So that's 0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:56.240 when I called the cops and like, fuck that guy. 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.240 He was getting off on a helpless girl. He then 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:01.760 walked over to them, and that's when Ellis stood up, 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:06.560 zipped up his fly and said she was fine. Benson's like, okay, kissing. 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:08.719 Then I how did it move past that? And so 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.879 you know, little Ellis rapee boy is stammering and getting 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.719 into it, and he goes, well, she pulled up my 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.120 belt and Creasey's like, well, we want more. So then 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.320 he says, she fell back on a pile of garbage 0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:23.279 bags that were stacked up, and then he fell on 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.320 top of her, and then he says it felt romantic, 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.720 and I just don't believe it because it is trash 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.879 bags in New York City, in New York, because there's 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.080 at least four rats hanging out like it is. 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:37.840 It is a different situation. 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.760 It is like a colony of little guys are running 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.839 scroll like I can't, I can't, No, I'm trying to think, like, yeah, 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.360 I was about to say maybe if it was filled 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.839 with leaves, like you know, you you you piled all 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.880 the leaves and you're gonna fuck up and bagged. Yeah, 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.479 and then yeah, they're like so excited with the clean yard. 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.520 That's autumnal. That's autumble, autumnal. Outside sex that could be yeah, 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.520 the butt, the bag of leaves, that could be kind 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.399 of fun. Yeah, gift crap mouse coming from garbage bags 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:05.480 while you're fucking. 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:11.279 The water, the food in it, like everything someone could have. 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.160 Someone could have puked in one of those bags. Like 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:14.400 it is wild. 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.839 And he's obviously calling it sex, and he goes, it's 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.319 not great to have sex like that, but that's that's 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:24.640 what it was to consenting adults, and Benson pushes back, 0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:25.880 you say, consenting? 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:26.920 Did she consent? 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.000 He's like, yeah, we were enjoying each other, and then 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.959 Benson goes, well, the British guy says that she was unconscious, 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.000 and he says, maybe she fell asleep, but saying I 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.960 raped her is crazy, and Chrisy says, I get why 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.000 you would feel that way, and he says, because it's 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.399 the truth, ask her and they're like, well we will. 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.840 She just woke up, so we're going to Mercy. 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.080 So Rollins is like, hey, you know while you're here, 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.600 she goes, I'm an idiot, I got alcohol poisoning. Rollins 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.960 explains the garbage in the park and she's like, oh, 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.560 that's why my hair stinks. So yeah, it did smell. 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.719 It was like not fresh chill garbage. And even if 0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:04.799 it stinks, it does look great, like she does have 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:09.200 an amazing hair. This whole episode, Rollins keeps explaining what happened. 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:13.799 She doesn't remember being there with anybody, and then she's like, well, 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.200 a man, do you recall having sex? And she starts 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.719 crying and saying she doesn't and that she like, she 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.640 doesn't remember anything. She remembers being at the party. She's 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:24.839 trying so hard to remember she doesn't know who she 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.560 was with, and then she realizes, like oh fuck, I'm sore, 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.600 Like that's why they want to do a rape kit. 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:32.400 She's crying. 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.040 She doesn't have insurance and that's sad too, like this 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:36.239 is why the show is so good. 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:36.839 But it's like. 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.239 Her first thought is how much is the rape kit? 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.960 Like but you know, Rollins lets her know no charge, 0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.600 but she's sad. And then the doctor comes in and goes, 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.480 your cousin's here, and the cousin's been calling her like 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.040 all day and night, and she's a good cousin, I feel, 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.719 and she goes, Janie, you were raped and her and 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:57.359 Rollin's are like, well, how do you know that? And 0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:01.080 she goes, it's all over the internet. So the Internet 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.560 has named her garbage rape girl, which. 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:05.480 Is like so crazy. 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:11.799 No, the Internet is smarter than that. That is what 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.360 they would do. I'm sorry the garbage rape girl. Yeah, 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.879 I don't know the Internet. I could see that being 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.000 on Twitter, like she want, like what a slut? What 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.359 a different I mean this happened in real life, yeah, 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.880 but like the comments are awful. People are terrible, but 0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:30.480 to collectively like name somebody something that's that shitty and 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.960 not clever and like you know what I mean, I 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:35.040 don't know that was I don't know. 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.319 I don't know why you have faith in humanity. I 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:41.520 think garbage rape girl is like chiller. It could have 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:44.600 been like garbage rape slash horor garbage girl. 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.879 I could see them calling her like garbage garage girl. 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.560 Like people being like garbage rape girl got which like it's. 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.960 Crazy, yeah, because then you're putting rape in it. So 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.799 then you realize she'd been raped. So what are you doing? Yeah, 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.799 you're actually like telling on yourself. Yeah exactly. Yeah, because 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.120 if she was just a garbage slut, that would be different. Yeah, 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.879 you're putting rape in there. You know she was raped 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.239 and garbage. I could also see. I could also see 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.240 garbage slut on the internet. I'm not giving the internet 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:12.000 too much credit. I'm just saying, should we be the 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:16.839 garbage sluts? Is that the name of our listeners? They 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:18.360 might want to be the garbage sluts? 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:19.080 I don't know. 0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:21.000 I don't think they don't seem like you like it. 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.920 I don't like it, but well then then it's a no, 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:26.239 we both like it. 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.000 We both have to like it, Okay, So whatever the 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:32.840 internet's saying taken out with the trash and she's like 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.719 so disgusted, and she says she would never have said that, 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.480 she would never have fucked on the ground, and the 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.360 cousin is like, this son of a bitch raped my cousin. 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.040 I mean, I love this girl so wildly. 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:46.080 He's on his phone in cement room bars and he's 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.160 texting his life away and vest Creesy and Benson are 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.040 in there and they're like, it's Saturday morning, you got 0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:54.160 somewhere to be. I guess his phone has the longest 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.319 battery power of all time, so he's texting up a 0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.080 storm and he's like, oh, I had to clean the 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.040 garage with my dad. And Benson's like, Jannie doesn't remember 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.040 what happened, and he's like, well, I want to talk 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:05.719 to her. Let me just talk to her. And that's 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.080 clearly not going to happen. You idiot, give us your DNA. 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.680 So he's like warrant or are you going to give 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:13.799 it to us? And he's like, I'm happy to do it. 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.120 So they swab him. Finn comes in and goes we 0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:19.440 have a situation. They both have to leave, and the 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.160 father of the rapist is shutting down the interview, but 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.560 Ellis is twenty two, so parental rights don't matter. But 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.840 this guy says he's on the job. He's from Nassau County, PD. 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:34.680 His name is Patrick Griffin. Anthony Edwards. Holy shit, Anthony Edwards, 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:38.480 the dad is Benson's first partner. They recognize each other. 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:40.839 What a trand what a rush? 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:46.720 And Marishka and Anthony Edwards were love interests on Er. Wow, 0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:49.400 when she was on Er for her brief arc, she 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.359 was his love interest. And then I think she left 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:56.319 the show to do SVU but like, yeah, cool, yeah, 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.120 so they've got history. This is like a fun easter 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.560 eggy kind of show or out like casting, you know. 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.000 Yeah, and then Benson is stunned, truly deer in headlights, 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.319 such a good actress, and Benson and him go into 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.719 her office. He didn't show up that morning, so he 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.319 traced the cell and doesn't understand why he's here. 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.040 He's like, was he mugged? Like what's going on? 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.360 And they're like, well, no, he raped and he's like, okay, 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.839 well he will not be answering any more questions and 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.920 I want all the statements thrown out and Benson goes, well, 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.239 you know, we can't do that, and you know, and 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:33.280 she works for the victims, so she explains he came involuntarily. 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.600 He didn't even tell us his dad was a cop. 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:38.080 So the dad goes, I'm fucking taking him and then 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.920 askses their evidence. She says, yes, a witness puts him 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.879 on top of an unconscious vic. He says, I see 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.279 there must be a mistake. A classic boy dad, So 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.080 then he barges into cement room bars and tells him 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.920 not to say another word. And Ellis is shocked to 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.560 see his father and Benson tells him to not leave town, 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.839 and he starts explaining shit to his dad, who says 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.759 stop talking. He says, Olivia, I wish I could say 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.759 it was nice to see you, and yeah, and she 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:06.560 looks really pretty okay. So Finn and Creasy walk in 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.000 to chat with Benson and he takes his son out 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.080 of there. We get the background story of Anthony Edwards, 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.720 so she's like, we go way back. She was assigned 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.040 to the five to five and he looked out for her. 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.799 Chrisy says, we went by the book, and Finn is like, 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:23.399 the first thing I taught my son was to never 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.560 talk to cops, Like, how is the son of a 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:30.680 cop labbing? Like it makes no sense, and Crasy says 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.839 he thinks he did nothing wrong, so he doesn't care, 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.680 and Finn goes, yeah, second mistake. First mistake was humping 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:41.600 a passed out girl. Okay, Finn, feminist leader. So we 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.040 have Ellis's side, So now we have to get Janie's side. 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.520 So we're back at Mercy and Benson asks how she's feeling. 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.040 She says a little better, but she wants her clothing back, 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.600 and obviously that's evidence, so she can't have it right now. 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:55.840 She's hunched over elbows on knees, really like defeated body language, 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.359 and just seems stressed and upset. She can't believe she 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.080 was raped and it's all still fuzzy to her. Benson 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.120 reassures her that memory is a tricky thing and anything 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.840 would be great. So she says that she remembers a 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.840 man barging into the bathroom and remembers his name was Ellis, 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.840 and she's like, and my cousin knows him, and Benson 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:14.640 shows photos. 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.399 They stop at him. It was him, it was him. 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.840 Benson is explaining Ellis's side, and she's like, I remember 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.120 kissing him, but I felt guilty for kissing him because 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:24.840 I had just broken up with my ex like a 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.360 week ago, and I was texting him that night. So 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:29.040 I just don't feel like I would have hooked up 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.520 with someone, especially like someone that dated my cousin. So 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:35.560 he dated Leah, I guess just wants Rollins goes to 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:38.160 talk to the cousin. Benson needs to know the scoop, 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.879 and she takes a note ad out ready to take 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.640 all of Janey's information. And then Rollin's and Leah are 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:49.279 in the hospital waiting room and she's dark eyeshadow and 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.720 like kind of a little poof mid heead pony. 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:52.520 She's fun. 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:56.120 So anyway, she hooks up with Ellis last year and 0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.120 she goes, he seems nice, but he's aggressive Jay and 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.920 he thought he was hot, sure, but she was so drunk. 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:05.120 So we're gonna talk to a ton of people, you know, 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.880 like we're all everyone's investigating. Everyone's at work. So now 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.200 we're at where the party was. It's a booze filled 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.920 home with Christmas string lights. His friend is like, Janie 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.200 was all over him, wanted him. She was drunk, but 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:20.120 everyone was and he's disclosing to Finn and then Cariese 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.959 is with a blonde, preppy girl and she goes, he's 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:24.920 too hot and cool and does a good job, like 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.799 he wouldn't have to rape anyone. I would willingly fuck 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.240 his ass. So she's like kind of stupid, but it's okay. 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.760 So now we're with a girl at an outdoor park moment, 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.440 and you really see the full budget of these shows 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:41.080 in moments like this, like a full park with ten 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.960 extras doing yoga. It is such a giant scene. And 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.440 the cops talking to the teacher during class, it's rollin. 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.880 She's getting the scoop and she's like, well, we were 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:51.560 going to share a car home. I just went to 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.000 say bye to my friends and then she was gone. 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:56.719 And she explains like, oh, you know, I did hear 0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:58.759 that it was a rumor of rape and size, and 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:00.960 goes Elle's kept trying to dance and hook up with her, 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.080 but she was so wasted. I guess he got what, 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.560 you know he wanted. So now it's Barbara, And for 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:10.040 a second, I forgot Barbara was even on the show. 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.440 I don't think we've done Barba episodes for a very 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:12.879 long time. 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:17.760 No, Like watching this, I forgot Carisee's a cop. Yeah, 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.040 we've been in a Barbara drought. 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.880 Yeah, I like I assumed this whole episode Cariese's the 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.040 DA And then seeing Barbara, I'm like, what, so we 0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:27.799 need to get some barber ones back. We need to 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:29.680 like do some of this era. I missed him. I 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.920 missed him. I like seeing him. We gotta, yeah, we 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:37.200 gotta return to these mid teens. So we're outside walk 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.799 and talk with Benson and Barbara, and you know, it 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.320 sucks because the witnesses are fifty to fifty. The DNA 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.760 is a match, but that's not gonna mean anything in court. 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:48.399 Barba stops and go it goes okay, so like, tell 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:51.759 me about this dad situation. So she explains that he 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.759 you know, we're gonna learn more that he was her 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.840 mentor and a friend at one point, and now you know, 0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.520 it's like tough. She has to go let him know 0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.120 that she has to arrest his own only son for rape. 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.640 And I don't get like, if he had a sibling, 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:07.959 why it would be like less bad that the son's 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.080 a rapist. So it's kind of a theme throughout the 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:13.640 episode where they're like his only boy, his only son, 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:15.000 and it's like it doesn't really. 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:17.480 Matter how many kids you have, if like one's a rapist. 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.200 Yeah, like if one goes to jail, you're like, I've 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:20.719 got two more, Like I don't know. 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.080 Yeah, it's just like an odd choice. 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.200 Why they keep harping on the only sun thing, Well, 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:28.280 they harp on anything. It's like Anthony, like we'll see 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.680 they are grasping at straws. Okay, So anyway, Lawyer Dad, 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.560 rapists sit down cement room bar chat with Cariesium Benson 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:39.200 and Barbara. Okay, so it's like everyone's there and the 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.799 set's kind of like a Steppenwolf play. Truly, it could 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.160 be no one leaves the stage for the whole show. 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.719 But Benson says, you know, hey, I'm gonna start off 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:52.080 by saying this is serious and Janey has no memory 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.799 of consenting, and the DA will be charging your son 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:58.319 of rape. Benson says, I'm giving you the courtesy. So 0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:00.799 if there's anything in your story you left out or 0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.080 even want change, let us know. The dad goes, he's 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.040 not talking to you. And the dad goes, you're not 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.759 trying to resolve this, you're trying to bury him. She goes, well, 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:11.640 that's definitely not not what's happening here. He wants a courtesy. 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:13.879 Now that he gets to go home and say bye 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:17.000 to his mother and promises on his shield that he'll 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.160 bring him back first thing tomorrow morning, and it, you know, 0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:23.520 it persuades him. Well, the dad says, we want nothing 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.160 more than to prove he is innocent. So Benson says 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.560 eight am tomorrow and I hope it's not a mistake decision. 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.680 So Benson's looking out her office window and Anthony Edwards 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.400 comes in, knocks, aggressive, doesn't even ask link do you 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.239 have time to talk, demands a conversation, and closes the 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:43.520 door and says he wants a word condescending as fuck. 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.120 I don't know who you think you are, but that's 0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:47.200 a bit choos in charge. 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.160 And she's like, I'm trying to be as straight as 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.799 I can, but all evidence points to rape. And he's like, 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:56.359 don't do this. She looks down. He is begging her, 0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:00.000 trying to manipulate her with their familiarity, and she says, 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.360 I cannot drop it, and he brings up that like 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:06.880 the only child, he's my only child. It's gonna destroy 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:09.480 my boy. Like I like that this girl is not 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.839 even like a minor concern to him or how she's 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.640 doing you know. Yeah, she says, this is where we 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:19.760 are sorry, And now again he's gonna clawed anything he has, 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:20.680 and he's like, I was. 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.920 Gonna say the world as an investment banker, he had 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:28.120 the one he was gonna help people at Goldman Sachs. 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.359 So now yeah, so he's like our first bust. So 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.920 she you followed a purp into a room alone. He 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:38.160 claimed missing cash and missing drugs, and she says, we 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:40.720 both know I did not do that, and he goes, sure, 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.880 but if I hadn't testified at IAB the rat squad, 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.319 then that I was in that room, she goes, yeah, 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:48.640 I would have been jammed up for a rookie mistake. 0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:52.880 He goes exactly like a gotcha moment, just like, ellis, 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:54.440 you made a rookie mistake. 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:55.640 She was drunk. 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.400 He should have known better, Like how can you not 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:00.680 think of the victim at all in any of this? 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:02.960 And she's just like what the fuck? 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:08.200 Like Benson responds he should have known better, like the fuck, 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.880 like fuck off, and he's just he's exasperated. He can't believe, 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:15.160 like none of this manipulation has worked. She looks direct 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.840 as fuck at him and is disgusted by even trying 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:22.120 to compare their situations, and she makes it clear that 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.239 like her rookie cot mistake is not the same as 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:29.160 your son raping an unconscious girl. He says, then you're 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.840 looking for the fight of your life. She's not phased, 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.480 like are you kidding? You fucking lose her. So now 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.399 Barba's there and he's like, basically, this whole case goes 0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:39.799 down to consent. And it's like, well, yeah, that's what 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.359 rape is. So of course it's like the consent, like 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.680 that is the definition. And so it's corkboard time. And 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:48.879 Jane would never have sex in a garbage pile. It's 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.920 so crazy. I mean again, I in all caps, I 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:53.240 wrote New York garbage pile. 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:53.760 Again. 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:57.640 I just but whatever the British witness is like staying 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.480 in the country longer. He doesn't care. He's there to testify. 0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:04.680 We're thinking, maybe we can find traffic cams, let's dig 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:08.200 deeper into taru internet photos, let's find these people, like 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.120 it's crazy that all these people were able to post 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:14.279 photos and videos but won't help the investigation, Like how 0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:16.239 do you just tape this and not help? 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:17.280 Go fuck yourselves? 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:20.080 So Barbara and Benson make eyes and he's being judgy 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.480 as fuck, and she's like, whatever, I just want this 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:25.400 to be air tight. And then she's like explaining the 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:28.000 Anthony Edwards cash drug story and how he had her 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.319 back and lied for her to save her ass, and 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.440 he says, you owe him nothing. You are not pulling 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.560 facts out of thin air. So then now the victim's here. 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:40.239 So Janie comes in. It's unexpected, and she's really struggling. 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:43.200 They're calling her dumpster slut all over the internet. Do 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:46.360 you like that a little more? Dumpster slut? 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.440 Yeah? Do you think the do you think our listeners 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:51.080 would like to be dumpster sluts? 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:51.560 Or no? 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.480 The love you guys answer, let us know dumpster slut. 0:49:56.520 --> 0:50:00.240 I'm gonna put a poll in in on Instagram story. 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.399 Yeah, let us know. Rollin's and Benson are in wood 0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.879 blinds with her. She can't eat, she can't sleeve, she's 0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:08.160 anxious all the time. But let's all worry about Ellis 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:11.000 the rapist. And Benson goes, that makes sense, like you 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.480 went through a violation, and she goes, I'm in therapy 0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:16.759 every single fucking day. Nothing is helping. She just wants 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.040 him to know what he did, Like, stop talking to 0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:22.799 the press stop calling me some nameless, intoxicated female, Like, 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:26.920 shut the fuck up and apologize, and she's like, just 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.360 because I don't remember, it doesn't mean I wasn't hurt. 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.600 And then she screams and she's in a lot of 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:33.080 pain and she doesn't want to go to court or 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:35.760 talk to the jury or anything like. She just wants 0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:37.839 it to end. So they're like, do you want us 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:39.719 to try to make a deal with the DA, and 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:42.800 she just does not want to testify. All she wants 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:46.799 is an apology. So Rollins is going to talk to 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:50.200 Elli's family DA. Everyone's there, Barbara's office, full house. So 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.920 they offer rape three. Daddy says an e felony, he 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:55.960 would go on the registry, and Benson goes for a 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.360 sexual offense that is a non negotiable but there's no 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.960 jail time, which is very fucking nice. Ten years probation, 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.239 and the victim made a request that you make a 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:08.040 statement of apology and the dad keeps yelling and Benson's 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.080 like stop. Barbara goes, listen, if you go to trial, 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:14.680 you're looking at seven years in jail. And then the 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:17.879 dad goes, oh, a liberal New York jury pool, which 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.919 is actually not true because Manhattan people are rich and 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:26.160 I don't know, it's just not and liberal orchesservice. It's 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:29.040 the whatever. This guy, he has a lot of ideologies. 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:33.040 So he goes, they are ready to hang the privileged 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:37.319 rapist high his dad's a cop. How privileged can he be? 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.720 What are we talking about? Is this old money? 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:40.920 Like? 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:42.960 How are they rich? They don't look rich to me. 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:44.240 That is weird. 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:46.560 I think it's like maybe I think maybe it's just 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:50.319 also that he works at this big bank company like 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.640 Goldman Sachs. You know, it could be that, like it 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:56.680 might not be old money, but it's like his current you. 0:51:56.560 --> 0:52:00.319 Know, yeah standing yeah, the victims of the world, the 0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:01.160 finance bros. 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:04.319 Yeah. So basically it's like. 0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:08.719 You know, Ellis is saying that he talked to his 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:10.439 mom and like that they both are were like, yeah, 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:12.040 you can't go to jail. And the dad goes, the 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.200 registry is forever. You're going to lose your job, and 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:18.839 Benson goes, yeah, I think state prison is worse than unemployment. 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.040 And the dad goes, your future is gone. Benson says, 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.120 we're trying to help you here. It's a one time offer. 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:27.320 We can go to trial so we go to trial. Obviously, 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:31.279 so he well, actually not, so I mean I like 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:32.880 that I wrote this and watch this and I'm like 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:36.799 having a surprise. Okay, So he's actually pleading guilty as 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:38.719 to rape in the third he wants to do this, 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.120 he does not feel course to do it. He's down 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.960 for probation, community service, he's going to be a sex offender. 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:47.399 He understands. He doesn't want to appeal, he doesn't want 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.040 a jury, and then he starts making a statement of apology. 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.719 He unfolds a paper and he goes, on Friday night, 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:55.480 I was at a party, and what he wants to 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:58.759 say to the victim is and then he waits and 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:01.239 then he crumbles it and says, I can't I take 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.680 it back, rips it up, goes, I'm not guilty. 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:04.520 I take it back. 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:10.000 Benson is shook, disordering the court obviously, he retracts, Barbara 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.640 takes back the offer and so now it's a not 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:17.960 guilty situation. Benson is stunned. Janie's like so sad and goes, 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:21.000 why can't he just say he's sorry? And Benson goes 0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:23.200 to confront Anthony Edwards and they have a fight, but 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.760 the dad believes his son is being railroaded and they're 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.400 gonna I fuck the jury. 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:28.680 Okay, this is actually great. 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:31.320 So he says that him and his wife are gonna 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.400 sit there every single day and make eyes at the 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:39.320 jury every day until they believe his son. Like so psycho, 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:44.040 So whatever, it's pandemonium outside, crowds protesters. 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:47.240 The dad goes, keep your head up, like no shame. 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:51.200 The brit is on the stand and he's explaining she 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:53.880 was not moving, her eyes were closed, and when he 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:57.200 pulls off, like him off, that she didn't even react, 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.880 that she was like splayed out until the cops arrived, 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:00.680 Like what. 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:01.520 More do you need? 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.279 The photo is horrific. They show the photo in court 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:07.520 completely passed out if you're on the jury. But then 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:09.400 I think about the case of like the football player 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:11.600 who like ran and like grabbed a woman who was 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.600 brawlist running and like dragged her back, and he was 0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:18.200 not guilty, Like truly, they don't care. So the defense attorney, 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:21.399 you know, he wants to poke holes, play semantic games 0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:25.239 like that was twenty feet away. Why you know, why 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:27.479 didn't you help her? So you call nine one one, 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:30.439 but you didn't call an ambulance. Or fire department, which 0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:32.279 is such bullshit because when you call nine one, you 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:34.360 have no control over who they send, you know what 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.160 I mean. He didn't say sem the cops. He said, 0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:38.680 I'm witnessing a rape, like I don't have number of 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:43.080 my local ambulance like they all they usually send everyone 0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:46.440 like that. That's kind of what they do. So this, 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:51.400 you know, fuck this defense attorney. Jane's now on the sand. 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.319 She says she does not consent, So now it's the 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:57.200 defense time. You know, I'm gonna be mad. He's been condescending, 0:54:57.320 --> 0:55:00.239 he's like fake nice. Basically, his point is, you were 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:02.959 passed out, so if you don't remember saying like yes, 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:05.040 that means you don't remember saying no, so you could 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:05.960 have said either one. 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:08.160 He's basically like, well if you didn't say yes, did 0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.839 you say no? And she's like, I didn't say I 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.920 was passed out, Like it's a crazy it's crazy. 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:15.719 You're right. 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:18.280 The reason I'm having trouble saying it correctly is because 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:23.240 it's crazy. Yeah, someone's passed out cold, like you can't 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:27.120 at whatever. So oh so then he plays a call 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:29.320 that she made to her cousin while she was wasted 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:31.720 and I don't understand how like a fun drunk conversation 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:33.480 has anything to do with it. It's like, yeah, she 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.120 was fun and drunk and having a good time and 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:37.040 then she was passed out and didn't want to fuck, 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:38.320 Like what are we taking? 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:40.759 Like, I just hate it's a discussion. It's like so. 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:45.880 Weird that this is even normalized or used in court, 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:48.200 Like it's it's appalling. 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.600 They're basically trying to show it and go, you're so 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:53.440 fucked up here. You could have totally said yes, like 0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:55.359 it could have been what you wanted. You didn't even 0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:58.440 know where you were, you know, basically he goes, uh, 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.600 Who's how do you even know you were? Rais did 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:01.600 you were you really raped? 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:03.640 Or is it because the Internet told you or SBU 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:07.319 told you or your liberal feminist social justice girlfriends who 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:12.080 hate my client? Who are these I don't understand where 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:15.880 they're pulling this out of Yeah, I just don't get 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.640 who these friends are and like, but yeah, but they 0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:21.479 hate of course they hate him, he raped their friend. Yeah, 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:25.359 they're feminists. Yeah, I think this lawyer is trying to. 0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:29.960 Get anybody on the jury who thinks that the me 0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:33.120 too movement is a witch hunt and you know anyone 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:36.160 that's like, you know, these girls are just trying to 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:39.919 persecute men, now, like that's what this guy's going for. 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:45.800 Yeah, But before Barbara can even object, the guy with draws, 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:47.880 so he knows he's being a piece of shit, and 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:51.600 she's crying on the stand. So Barbara redirects Jane, why 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:54.600 do you believe you were raped? And she says, because 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:56.920 I would never and would have never consented to a 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.319 guy I just met on the ground by the garbage 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:02.040 I was past and he did what he wanted anyway, 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:04.279 And then they cut to the rapist mom so she 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:05.320 must have something. 0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:07.520 Coming later where it's a weird ass cut. 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:10.600 So then the defense lawyer asks to approach and fuck 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:12.560 so like we all walk out, it's our crew, and 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:14.960 they suddenly have a new witness. But they did so 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.680 much canvassing, Like how do they suddenly have a magically 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:19.560 a new witness? So we need to find out where 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:22.400 this witness comes from. Finn and Benson have a friendship 0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:24.280 session and he tries to talk to her about Tucker 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.840 and their relationship and she's like, okay, I'm clearly busy, 0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:30.360 bro and leaves, and then Benson like I'm going through 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:32.240 a lot. I don't want to chit chat about my 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:34.720 ex or boyfriend. I don't know what state they're in. 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:38.360 At this point, Benson goes to the fall door knock knock, 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:40.680 and she goes, you might not want your wife to 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:42.160 hear what I have to say to you. So they 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:44.200 go outside and she goes, I thought you were gonna 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:46.439 be in court every day. I fucking the jury. Where 0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:48.760 were you? Where were you all day? After your little speech? 0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:51.240 And at the end of the day, Wow, a new 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:54.360 surprise witness for tomorrow. And he says, yeah, you know, 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.680 a good citizen knew what was you know that this 0:57:57.800 --> 0:57:59.600 wasn't right and came forward and she goes, oh, a 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.800 good city, A career drug dealer who became a snitch 0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:05.360 at the five to five year old precinct. You fucking idiot. 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.280 She's like, you really want to do this witness tampering obstruction. 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:10.560 He says, I have no idea what you're talking about. 0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:12.240 She goes, okay, well you want to put your job 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:15.360 at Risks no pension, not to mention criminal charges, you 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:18.880 fucking idiot. And he brings up again this thing that 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:21.800 he did nice for a young rookie, like you did 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:25.000 this for a young rookie fifteen plus years ago. And 0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.600 she goes, we're running his phone records in bank statements, 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.560 like you're fucking you know. He's squirming. So then he goes, 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:34.120 he's my son. He's twenty two years old, and like 0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:38.240 and again, what about her? So he continues, he graduated 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:40.439 summa cum laud from Dartmouth. Why don't we know where 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:43.400 she graduated from. He has a six figure job, and 0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:46.040 you want to destroy his life? What if she invented something? 0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:49.680 Destroy his life because he had sex with some drunk girl. 0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:52.800 He says, you drove a long way for nothing. So 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:56.080 now Perez is on the stand, and this is the wetness, 0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:59.320 and I'm just salivating for Barba to get to this guy, 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:03.400 like I am so fucking jazz, like from get him, Jade, 0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:04.360 get him Perez. 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:07.600 And he's sort of giving me, don't you stop your 0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:10.240 last season proder shoes at me, like just like a 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:12.560 full fake witness, Like he's giving. 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:15.560 Like yes immediately, like you are not. You are a 0:59:15.600 --> 0:59:17.040 paid witness, Like I don't know. 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.880 Yeah, So I can't even focus on the nonsense that 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:22.000 this diffence, Like the defense is talking like gets a, 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:25.680 Barbara gets a Barbara gets a barb up and he 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:29.920 says that he made eye contact with Janey and that 0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:33.960 she loved it, moaning and said keep going. But it's like, 0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:36.760 we have video and photo evidence of her knocked out, 0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:39.560 So what are you even talking about? So Barbara looks 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.960 eventson then turns Tim and goes, so, what's up with 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.520 your felony arrest five years ago? And that was your 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:48.080 third offense, right, so then to avoid jail time, you 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:51.280 became a confidential informant And he goes, but I'm not anymore. 0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:52.720 And they were. 0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:54.800 Like, well, who's your little cop buddy friend at the 0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:57.720 five to five? And it's Dennis Marino. And the wife 0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:00.520 slowly looks over to Anthony Edwards because she he realizes 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:02.880 what's up because she fucking knows Dennis Marino for sure 1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:05.480 at the five to five. So they're like, well, have 1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:07.320 you ever met Peter gart You have a worst cop 1:00:07.360 --> 1:00:09.400 in the fucking world. Though you can't get. 1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:11.400 A friend from a different precinct to find you an 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:12.480 informant to do this. 1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:15.600 I know, and I I did call him Peter Grip. 1:00:16.120 --> 1:00:18.440 His name is Patrick. I gotta just call him like 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:23.400 Anthony Edwards. So anyways, so he stares, so peresident Anthony 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:25.680 Edwards are like staring because they asked like do you 1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:26.080 know him? 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:28.560 And so they they make eye contact. He lies says no, 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:29.320 I don't know him. 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:32.440 After they make intense eye contact, Anthony Edwards wants to 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:36.680 you know, I fuck everyone in the courtroom, and so 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:37.560 the defense. 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:39.760 Keeps, you know, objection, objection, objection. 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:43.520 Overruled, over ruled, overruled, and finally Judge Elena Barth is like, 1:00:43.760 --> 1:00:46.400 fuck you shut the fuck up. I'm gonna finish this 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:49.919 line of questioning. Do not stop suppressing shit. So then 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:53.160 the guy is denying anything and Barbara goes, you know 1:00:53.200 --> 1:00:57.800 you're toasts right, So yeah, So basically I'm also like, 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:00.240 don't you realize Barba knows the truth, like if he's 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:03.080 if he's playing these little confident games like don't like 1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:06.760 your toast, your fucking toast. And also with Anthony Edwards, 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:08.560 it's like, even if your son was gonna get off 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:11.680 because people like rape, so it's like to me, your 1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:14.440 son could have gotten off because of Dartmouth, and now 1:01:14.480 --> 1:01:18.320 for sure he's not because of these fucking games you're playing. Yeah, 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:21.800 but before this could go even further. The tail tale 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:25.200 heart of all of this ellis the rapist jumps up 1:01:25.960 --> 1:01:29.400 and he goes, he's lying, he wasn't there, he's making 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:33.720 it up. Janey never said keep going. He turns around, 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:35.960 looks at Janey and says, I'm sorry for what I 1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:39.000 did and for what my father's doing. Now, the judge 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:42.280 tries to get order. You're not gonna, You're not gonna. 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:43.720 He finally admits it. 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:44.080 Okay. 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:46.240 He goes, I knew you were passed out and I 1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:49.280 couldn't stop myself, so he knew he was raping all along. 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:51.440 Why did you chat some like the fact that you 1:01:51.440 --> 1:01:51.840 did all this? 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:55.160 He should also have charges of wasting everyone's fucking time 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:59.720 when you know you fucking raped. So I was wrong, 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:03.000 so wrong, and I am so sorry. Benson with a 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:04.920 new stunted face, like, I don't know how many stunt 1:02:04.960 --> 1:02:05.520 faces she has. 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:06.320 My repertoire. 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:09.920 It's like truly an incredible fee an Emmy for this episode. 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.640 He repeats I'm sorry a bunch more times, and then 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:16.439 everyone runs to chambers behind the judge and the son 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:18.240 wants the dad out. He's like, get the fuck out 1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:20.200 of here. I don't care like I should you know, 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:24.520 and he says, get out, leave me alone. The data 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:28.439 is stunned and yeah, you lost your pension and your song, 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:30.680 like what the fuck. But anyways, Ellis goes, I want 1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:32.520 this to be over. I'm gonna plead guilty. I don't 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.520 give a fuck. She The judge's okay, giving him raping 1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:38.480 the second degree, but should have taken the first deal. 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:42.000 So now we're back in core plea time again. The 1:02:42.080 --> 1:02:44.320 victim has a statement. First, she gets up and says, 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:46.200 at first, you didn't think you did anything wrong. 1:02:46.640 --> 1:02:47.600 You blamed booze. 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:50.200 I'm glad you now understand that alcohol didn't pulp my 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:52.840 dress up, get on top of me and force itself 1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:53.400 inside of me. 1:02:53.760 --> 1:02:55.640 I'm glad you know what you did that. 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:58.040 You said, I'm sorry I raped you, and he looks 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:00.440 at her, and he does seem like he's listening. She 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:02.720 turns away to the judge and says, I choose to 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:05.320 put this behind me, thank you, and she sits down 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:07.720 and now it's sentenced time. He gets twenty four months 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:11.880 in prison. Court is done. The mom starts sobbing. Janey 1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:14.440 is emotional but okay, and Barbara puts his arm on 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:15.080 her shoulder. 1:03:15.840 --> 1:03:16.320 Nice. 1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:19.919 People are protesting outside that two years is not enough, 1:03:19.920 --> 1:03:21.240 and I agree, and it's kind of like what the 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:24.040 Diddy thing where it's like four years isn't enough. But 1:03:24.080 --> 1:03:25.919 I did still feel relief because I have no faith 1:03:25.960 --> 1:03:28.040 in the justice system, so I'm happy with four. 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:30.320 I thought he was gonna get off. Yeah, so I'm 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:31.320 like fine with four. 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:34.760 So with this, it's like in the real case, I 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:37.600 don't know, it's it's all stupid rape should be tons 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:38.680 of years, but whatever. 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:39.800 So we got two years. 1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:43.920 But people are protesting and the dad okay, and then 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:46.880 the dad is like smoking SIGs outside obviously stressful day 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:49.439 for him. Benson comes out and he goes, oh, great, 1:03:49.760 --> 1:03:53.320 you're gonna go get me for witness tampering and she says, no, 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:54.280 I talked. 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:56.880 To Barbara, but like, what were you thinking? 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:59.240 And he says that I have to save my son, 1:03:59.320 --> 1:04:01.800 no matter what, no matter how I'm a cop. I 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.479 protect people I don't even know, and here is my son, 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:07.040 my best friend. He's going to go down for ten 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:10.320 seconds of stupidity. I mean, the Sun already admits it. 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:12.720 It's like, bro, He's like, I just wanted to throw 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:15.120 in some reasonable doubt. And she goes, Okay, well I'm 1:04:15.120 --> 1:04:17.240 going to pretend I didn't hear that, and he goes, 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:21.920 the system is rigged against him, and so whatever. He 1:04:22.000 --> 1:04:25.040 goes the protesters the way Ellis is head on the platter, 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:28.479 and I failed him, And Benson says, you are still 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:30.480 his father, and for the next two years be there 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:32.840 for him. I'm sorry, Patrick. If there was something I 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:35.760 could have done, he says, there was, and you chose 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:37.760 not to do it. I went to bat for you. 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:40.680 And she says, the truth is I wish you hadn't. 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:43.840 I wish you just told the truth. She turns around, 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:46.160 walks off down the stairs, and he holds onto the 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:50.360 column and the column's giant and hangs his head. And 1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:51.480 that's dick wolf baby. 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:54.600 I find it hard to believe that they could get 1:04:54.680 --> 1:04:57.880 rid of his witness tampering charge when it's so fucking obvious, 1:04:57.920 --> 1:05:00.960 you know what I mean. Yeah, Like, if there was 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:04.600 any reporters in the courtroom, if there was anything going on, like, 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:07.320 or any public in the room. It's like, that's a 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:09.920 cop fully witnessed tampering and his own son going, my 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.800 dad's lying, Like, I don't know how you would sweep 1:05:12.800 --> 1:05:13.560 that around now. 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:16.680 But like they shot Breonna Taylor in like her house, 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:17.960 yeah thing, you know. 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:21.240 It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, just it seems it would 1:05:21.240 --> 1:05:24.520 be really hard. But okay, here we go. 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:34.320 I do want to say that Marishka Hargatea told the 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:38.520 Huffington Post in advance of season eighteen. She said, can 1:05:38.560 --> 1:05:41.240 you imagine if Brock Turner and then she stops her, 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:45.160 She goes, that makes me cry, happened with me? Meaning Benson, 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:48.760 Hargatea said, her voice breaking and her eyes welling up, 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:51.480 like if I was the detective on that case, it 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:54.160 could be healing to somebody to see what should happen. 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:58.560 Seeing justice, The actress said, if a judge would do 1:05:58.680 --> 1:06:01.000 a different sentence, you know, that's healing for people to 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:05.720 see the right thing, the just thing happen. So sometimes 1:06:05.720 --> 1:06:09.680 I think she takes on episodes of this show specifically 1:06:10.600 --> 1:06:13.919 like Marishka but because she's an ep now, but also 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:17.080 like the other showrunners, they take on episodes to give 1:06:17.240 --> 1:06:21.840 like the viewers the dream ending, you know, like we 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:23.880 talked about how it's a fantasy, like they want the 1:06:23.920 --> 1:06:27.080 real ending where the thing happens. But I will say 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:29.480 I don't think what happens in this case in the 1:06:29.640 --> 1:06:31.280 on the I don't think what happens in the episode 1:06:31.320 --> 1:06:34.160 is necessarily as fair as it could be either, but 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:38.360 let's get into it. Obviously, this is based on brock Turner. 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:45.680 This was a massive case that happened in twenty fifteen, and. 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:48.080 At the end of the day, if his sentence was fair, 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:51.040 he would have never gotten press or attention, and no 1:06:51.080 --> 1:06:54.120 one would have known, like you would be on the 1:06:54.160 --> 1:06:56.040 sex offender registry and he would be a rapist and 1:06:56.040 --> 1:06:57.640 the girl would have been raped and that sucks. But 1:06:57.720 --> 1:07:01.760 like if he had just gotten three years or something normal, No, 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:04.920 but like it became a case because of the sentence. 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:06.800 Yes it was. 1:07:06.880 --> 1:07:09.560 It was in the press a lot because of the 1:07:09.600 --> 1:07:12.840 fact that he was a varsity swimmer at Stanford, the 1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:16.920 fact that the girl's identity was not known. He cares 1:07:16.920 --> 1:07:19.280 about swimming, like it's so I understand if he did 1:07:19.280 --> 1:07:20.000 cancer research. 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:22.160 But to be like, but he's a swimmer, who. 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:26.600 Gives I know, the he the impact the victim impact statement, 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:29.240 which we'll get into, also went viral. So there were 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:33.720 like a few moments but I'll get into it. But basically, 1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:36.440 brock Turner born and raised in a nice suburb of Dayton, 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.880 Ohio in nineteen ninety five. 1:07:39.480 --> 1:07:39.880 He's not. 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:42.320 He's kind of like maybe that's why they kept it 1:07:42.400 --> 1:07:44.720 like it's like he's from a nice suburb, but his 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:45.960 dad's an electrical engineer. 1:07:45.960 --> 1:07:48.040 His mom's a nurse. It's not like his dad is 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:49.760 like the CEO of an oil company. 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:50.040 You know. 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:52.240 He's got an older brother and sister. 1:07:52.720 --> 1:07:55.760 He's a big swimmer, wins awards, set records in high school, 1:07:56.320 --> 1:07:58.560 and he tried out for the Olympic team even when 1:07:58.600 --> 1:07:59.680 he was not even eighteen. 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:01.480 So well, he gets into. 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:03.720 Stanford to be a varsity swimmer, and it's one of 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:06.600 the top ten swimming programs I guess in the country. 1:08:06.720 --> 1:08:09.560 So if you care about swimming, getting into Stanford big deal. 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.200 He starts going to Stanford in the fall of twenty fourteen, 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:14.439 so I'm just gonna say. 1:08:14.440 --> 1:08:15.640 On January tenth. 1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:17.400 Of twenty fifteen, he goes to a frat party at 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:20.720 Kappa Alpha, where a girl at the party later said 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:23.800 that Turner was really creeping her out. She claimed he 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:26.160 was like Hansy, touching her a lot on the dance floor. 1:08:26.200 --> 1:08:28.080 She did not like it, she did not ask for it, 1:08:28.439 --> 1:08:30.519 and she left the dance floord to get away from him. Okay, 1:08:30.560 --> 1:08:32.920 so that's just like a thing that happened on January tenth. 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:35.520 A week later is January seventeenth. 1:08:35.600 --> 1:08:35.960 Okay. 1:08:36.240 --> 1:08:38.760 He goes to another party at Kapa Alpha, where he 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:42.800 meets a girl who is originally called Emily Doe, which 1:08:42.840 --> 1:08:44.240 is wild because I do have a friend with that 1:08:44.320 --> 1:08:47.439 exact name, and she is called that by the press 1:08:47.520 --> 1:08:51.840 and by everyone that is covering this story, but is 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:55.000 later known to be Chanelle Miller, a twenty two year 1:08:55.000 --> 1:08:58.320 old recent graduate of University of California at Santa Barbara. 1:08:58.840 --> 1:09:02.559 So she'd had just been at home ready to like 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:04.439 call it a night and have a cozy night in. 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:07.640 But her sister, who was younger, was going to this 1:09:07.720 --> 1:09:12.559 party ten minutes away at Stanford and was like, you know, 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:14.519 they were her and her friends were all having fun, 1:09:14.560 --> 1:09:16.240 and the older sister was like, you know what, I 1:09:16.240 --> 1:09:17.840 don't get to see my sister that much now that 1:09:17.920 --> 1:09:19.640 like I'm in the real world, she's in college. Like 1:09:19.680 --> 1:09:21.400 I'm going to go hang out with her and be 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:24.360 like the goofy older sister at the party. Okay, So 1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:26.840 she go and her sister's like rasing her for wearing 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:29.559 a cart a bit like a cardigan to a party 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:34.000 or whatever and whatever. So Tiffany, this is the sister, Okay, 1:09:34.080 --> 1:09:37.800 the younger sister, Tiffany. She testifies that Turner, who she 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:41.160 does not know, tried to kiss her twice at the party, 1:09:41.400 --> 1:09:44.720 and both times she like bended him off. Okay, and 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:47.800 after that, Like, the story has some gaps because that's 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:48.519 the other thing too. 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:50.519 It's like it's clear its patterns for him, and he 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:52.719 would have kept doing this and doing this like nothing 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:55.719 would have stopped. He's clearly a fucking sex pest predator. 1:09:56.120 --> 1:09:59.240 I totally Magee stories. I totally agree, and I'm glad 1:09:59.240 --> 1:10:00.800 I had to cover this. I knew a lot about it, 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:02.120 but there were things I didn't know, and there were 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:03.880 things I had invented in my head that happened that 1:10:03.920 --> 1:10:05.719 didn't So I'm glad. 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:06.760 I got to research this. 1:10:06.920 --> 1:10:09.760 But the story has some gaps, mostly because Brock Turner, 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:11.679 who's the only one that has any memory of anything, 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:16.559 fucking changes his story like ten times. But what happened 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:19.160 that we know factually is that at one am that night, 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:23.240 So that's technically now January eighteenth, twenty fifteen, because it's 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:27.160 one in the morning. Peter larsh Johnson and Carl Frederick Arendt, 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:30.640 who are two grad students from Sweden. They were bicycling 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:33.040 around campus and at first I thought, wow, cool a 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:35.360 one am cycle, but I did then later read they 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:38.479 were biking to a party, so good for them. They 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:43.120 spotted Turner assaulting Chanel Miller behind a dumpster. The two 1:10:43.120 --> 1:10:45.240 guys said that he was on top of her. Her 1:10:45.360 --> 1:10:48.000 dress was pulled up, her genitals were exposed, her underwear 1:10:48.040 --> 1:10:50.280 was on the ground, and they saw him thrusting on 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:52.880 top of her, and noticed that she was fully unconscious, 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:54.759 like her hair was full of pine needles. 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:55.799 She was a mess. 1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:59.960 And they confronted Turner, going, hey, what the fuck are 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:03.519 you doing? She's unconscious. That's a direct quote, and they said. 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:07.160 Turner immediately tried to run. So if this is this 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:10.160 romantic rendezvous, why aren't you going no? 1:11:10.280 --> 1:11:10.720 Ask her? 1:11:10.800 --> 1:11:13.599 She's fine, like we're it's good, we're having fun. 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:14.960 But he runs. 1:11:15.120 --> 1:11:17.760 So then these guys fucking fully know he's a rapist. 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:20.479 So one guy checks on Chanelle while the other one 1:11:20.560 --> 1:11:24.240 trips Turner subdues him, and they say Turner is like 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:28.200 smiling and laughing and they're like, what are you smiling for? 1:11:28.840 --> 1:11:31.200 And later he testified that he was laughing because of 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:35.920 how ridiculous the situation was, Like you're a psychopath, Like 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:39.400 what are you talking about? Like, let's say you are 1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:42.599 so wasted and she was originally consenting and you look 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:44.439 down and she's now passed out in the middle of 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:47.679 your consensual thing, you'd be like, fuck, Like you wouldn't 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:53.040 be fucking smiling and laughing, you know, which is obviously 1:11:53.120 --> 1:11:54.840 what they're trying to say is happening, is that she 1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:58.639 was liking it and then you know whatever, So thank 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:01.000 god for these two guys. They turn her down while 1:12:01.040 --> 1:12:03.080 a third person calls the cops and he's arrested on 1:12:03.120 --> 1:12:06.479 suspicion of attempted rape. In his statements of police, he 1:12:06.640 --> 1:12:09.280 tells them he met Chanelle outside the frat house and 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:12.080 she agreed to go home with him. There's some conjecture 1:12:12.120 --> 1:12:14.760 that maybe he thought it was Tiffany, the girl the younger, 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.559 the younger sister who he tried to kiss twice, but 1:12:18.439 --> 1:12:20.920 he's like, oh, I met her outside the frat house 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:23.559 and she said she'd go home with me. And he 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:25.960 told the cops that he didn't know her name, and 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:27.960 he would and he would quote not be able to 1:12:28.000 --> 1:12:31.360 recognize her again if he saw her. So later he 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:34.920 changed his story that they met at the frat house, 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:36.519 they drank beers together. 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:37.439 But also if he. 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:39.080 Was a girl, would be like you, slet, you went 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:40.760 and had sex with someone you don't know their name, 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:42.599 you don't know anything about them. You wouldn't be able 1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:44.360 to put them out of a lineup that would be 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:47.080 used in court, to be like you fucking piece. Promis 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:48.879 you love this kind of interaction? 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:55.519 Yeah, exactly, and you know so as the court date 1:12:55.560 --> 1:12:58.280 gets closer and stuff, and then he testifies at court, 1:12:58.600 --> 1:13:02.280 the story changes a ton like. He changes the story 1:13:02.320 --> 1:13:05.240 to now they didn't meet outside, they met inside. They 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:08.800 had beers together, and like the sisters like, I never 1:13:08.840 --> 1:13:11.360 saw them together. I don't think they found many witness 1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:13.600 any witnesses that saw them together. But he's trying to 1:13:13.640 --> 1:13:16.840 mold the story into this was romantic. This was like 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:19.679 we were cute, we hit it off at the party, 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:21.680 and then we left together. Then we stumbled down a 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:24.600 hill and made out behind a dumpster, and it was romantic. 1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:26.719 Same as the episode, right, I thought it was romant. 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:29.920 Whatever Okay, So he changes his story a lot. He 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:31.880 told the cops that he never tried to run, and 1:13:31.880 --> 1:13:33.120 then in court. 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:36.240 He and that's that he dis if a woman changed 1:13:36.240 --> 1:13:38.479 her story or anything, even if she had gone through 1:13:38.520 --> 1:13:39.960 a traumatic fucking attack. 1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:43.160 You liar, you liar. What can we believe you are? 1:13:43.280 --> 1:13:43.559 We can't. 1:13:43.800 --> 1:13:43.960 All. 1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:47.839 Yeah, you lied about the time that you left the library. 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:50.320 So your whole story is a fucking sham. Yeah, you know. 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:52.080 So anyway, we're angry. 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:55.200 This story, this whole fucking case brings up a lot 1:13:55.320 --> 1:14:01.000 of about entitled rape culture men. So he originally said 1:14:01.080 --> 1:14:04.120 he didn't know how they got behind the dumpster, originally 1:14:04.120 --> 1:14:06.840 to the cops, but then at trial it's like, oh, no, 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:09.320 she fell and I went to help her up, and 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:12.519 we playfully landed behind the dumpster and all this like romance. 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:14.720 Like him and his lawyer are obviously trying to like 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:18.040 craft a narrative here that this was like a cutie hookup. 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:21.040 He also never originally told the guys that found them 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:25.080 or anyone that she consented, okay, Like he never was like, no, no, 1:14:25.160 --> 1:14:25.800 she's into it. 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:26.400 Ask her. 1:14:26.640 --> 1:14:29.000 He never told the cops, no, she consented, and then 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:32.959 suddenly at trial when he's telling the story she consented. 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:35.680 The consent is all over the place. She consented to this, 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:37.880 She consented to this, She consented to this. He's a 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:40.920 full scumbag because at this point he knows. I think 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:43.120 one article I read said he's the only one writing 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:45.880 the script because the other person doesn't remember, you know. 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:48.960 So he's like, oh, actually, even though I said something 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:51.559 totally different right after the incident, and it's like months later, 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:54.559 we actually did she did consent, and she did say 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:58.320 like you know, so kind of he starts doing what 1:14:58.360 --> 1:15:01.560 they're trying to get this witness to do in the episode, 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:05.240 is like be the witness to consent and testify that 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:08.240 there was consent. So he also told authorities that he 1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:11.120 was the one who took off her underwear and asked 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:14.840 if she wanted him to finger her, and she said yes. 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:18.639 He says he testified that he quote unquote fingered her 1:15:19.000 --> 1:15:25.320 for a minute and he thought she orgasmed Okay, dude, okay, 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:30.000 I mean it's just swimmer. You're not making anyone orgasm 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:33.400 in any way, let alone rubbing fingering them for one minute, 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:35.839 Like you're this that's insane. 1:15:36.200 --> 1:15:37.880 Why are you trying to get glory out of this. 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:42.640 Now it's also so hard because it's like all of 1:15:42.680 --> 1:15:44.599 this work, you know what I mean, At that end 1:15:44.600 --> 1:15:47.639 of the day, it's like it all seems so crazy, 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:50.840 it all like all of these little behaviors, but then 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:55.880 they all worked. Yeah, he wasn't penalized for lying. He 1:15:55.960 --> 1:15:59.479 wasn't penalized for changing his story content. I mean that's 1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:01.880 the same thing, like he wasn't for being like all 1:16:01.920 --> 1:16:02.639 of these things. 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:06.439 Well, yeah, yeah, he. 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:09.240 Doesn't get no because I think he's like, nobody can 1:16:09.280 --> 1:16:11.240 really truly say that I'm lying about any of this. 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:15.559 But he had said that she rubbed his back at 1:16:15.560 --> 1:16:18.040 one point, like he was saying all this shit, he 1:16:18.080 --> 1:16:20.639 said after the fingering, and you know, after she has 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:22.840 the most amazing orgasm of her life from the one 1:16:22.840 --> 1:16:25.679 minute of fingering. Then he says they started dry humping, 1:16:26.200 --> 1:16:27.840 And I wrote in my notes, oh my god, electric 1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:29.720 chair for this freak, Like I just can't believe he's 1:16:29.760 --> 1:16:32.080 like telling this story with all these fucking details that 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:34.960 are obviously such lies. And he said he said he 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:37.280 never took off his pants or exposed his genitals, which 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:40.680 I think is proven. But police did note when they 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:42.400 got there that he had a boner under his pants, 1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:47.599 so uh, he was still turned on from raping someone. 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:53.120 So Chanelle was taken to the hospital. She was unresponsive 1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:56.439 to police. The police were screaming at her to try 1:16:56.439 --> 1:17:00.840 to wake up, shaking her, screaming nothing. She was taken 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:03.439 to the hospital, where it's reported that she did not 1:17:03.520 --> 1:17:07.200 regain consciousness until four point fifteen in the morning. So 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:13.559 this girl was so incapacitated that she was unrevivable for 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:17.320 three hours. And you were like, no, one second ago, 1:17:18.040 --> 1:17:21.080 she was loving this, I just and was giving me 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:24.439 totally like enthusiastic consent. 1:17:24.520 --> 1:17:25.360 It's bullshit. 1:17:25.840 --> 1:17:28.040 She said she had pine needles in her hair and 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:30.000 on her body. There was dried blood on her hands 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:33.200 and elbows, I'm assuming from the fall, but also probably 1:17:33.240 --> 1:17:37.599 from the assault. And she told police she had no 1:17:37.680 --> 1:17:40.080 recollection of being alone with any man and she did 1:17:40.080 --> 1:17:43.479 not consent to any sexual activity. She also got a 1:17:43.520 --> 1:17:46.480 call from her boyfriend while she was in the hospital, 1:17:46.920 --> 1:17:48.760 who was worried about her, and he was like, hey, 1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:51.640 did you get home, because she realized that she had 1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:54.840 actually called him in her blackout the night before and 1:17:54.960 --> 1:17:57.800 left him a drunk voicemail, and then they spoke on 1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:00.439 the phone, and the boyfriend said she was luwering her 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:02.920 words so badly that he kept telling her, go find 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:06.000 your sister, like, go find your sister. So people are 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:11.080 there's evidence of how actually wasted and unable to consent 1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:14.760 this girl was. And she said, you know, I didn't 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:18.160 realize I had graduated college like. 1:18:18.640 --> 1:18:19.800 Six seven months before. 1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:21.880 I didn't realize how much my tolerance had gone, Like 1:18:21.920 --> 1:18:24.639 she wasn't used to how much she was drinking or whatever. 1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:29.439 And so meanwhile, I mean, it's really awful because she 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:34.400 talks about how she's in the hospital and the pine 1:18:34.400 --> 1:18:36.400 needles just are falling out of her hair, and she 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:39.320 just keeps finding little piles of pine needles, like in 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:42.640 every room that she goes into. And at first she 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:45.320 was like, oh, I thought maybe I just like fell, 1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:47.439 and then she realized, oh no, like this guy was 1:18:47.479 --> 1:18:51.200 attacking me just like in a garbage dump area, like 1:18:51.280 --> 1:18:53.200 a fucking freak. 1:18:53.760 --> 1:18:56.280 So anyway, we'll get to more of her statement. 1:18:56.320 --> 1:19:00.920 But meanwhile, that day that he's brought in, Turner posts 1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:02.760 his one hundred and fifty thousand dollars bail and he's 1:19:02.800 --> 1:19:06.240 released ten days later, on January twenty eighth, He's charged 1:19:06.280 --> 1:19:08.600 with two counts of rape, two counts of penetration, and 1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:11.240 one count of assault with intent to rape. Obviously, he 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:14.240 pleads not guilty. At this point, the case is making 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:18.360 national headlines with brock Turner's like goofy face, his mugshot, 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:21.599 his isor bloodshot, like his mug shots popping up everywhere. 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:25.240 I think it's kind of the perfect storm of his 1:19:25.320 --> 1:19:29.400 mug shot. He's a swimmer, it's Stanford, it's me too. 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:33.559 Is really happening at this moment, and that people are 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:37.040 also interested because Stanford had such an abysmal track record 1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:40.920 of investigating sexual assault allegations. Between ninety seven and two 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:44.160 thousand and nine, a twelve year period, only four out 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:46.680 of one hundred and seventy five sexual assaults that were 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:50.559 reported were formally adjudicated at Stanford, and of those four, 1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:54.599 two attackers were held responsible. And that's according to sf 1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:59.479 gait reporting on research by a Stanford law professor named 1:19:59.479 --> 1:20:02.680 Michelle and this douber and remember her name because she 1:20:02.720 --> 1:20:08.000 comes in later. So this is a school that classically 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:09.479 looks the other way at shit like this. 1:20:09.880 --> 1:20:11.679 So that's another part of it as well. 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:16.280 And so this is in the news a lot, and 1:20:16.320 --> 1:20:20.400 then prosecutors drop the rape charges months before he goes 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:24.200 to trial. I think they thought, given the current definition 1:20:24.400 --> 1:20:28.599 of rape in California, they thought that they wouldn't get 1:20:28.640 --> 1:20:31.439 a jury to buy that a rape without a penis 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:34.600 can happen. So he stood like, you know, without like 1:20:34.680 --> 1:20:39.040 a penis and a penetration of some kind. So he 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:42.880 stood trial for assault with intent to rape an intoxicated person, 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:46.519 sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and 1:20:46.600 --> 1:20:49.439 sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object. 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:50.920 I don't know why. 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:52.720 In my mind, I feel like I've even said it 1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:56.120 on this podcast that I thought he used a bottle. 1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:58.280 I thought he used a beer bottle. I made that 1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:02.680 up in my mind. For an object? Are his fingers? Like, 1:21:02.760 --> 1:21:05.160 I didn't know that foreign your fingers would be considered 1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:07.600 for an object. But that is what the law is 1:21:07.640 --> 1:21:11.120 saying at that point, is that is what they're talking about. 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:13.320 There is another case I think that involved a bottle, 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:16.000 and I think I complated them because it was around 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:18.360 the same time. But they tried to make him out 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:21.519 to be this innocent kid from Ohio, just a sweet 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:25.439 suburban party amateur who had never really done drugs before, 1:21:25.720 --> 1:21:28.280 had never really drank or party before, and was trying 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:31.280 to emulate his older swim team buddies, which is trying 1:21:31.280 --> 1:21:32.280 to be cool and. 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:33.000 Do what they were doing. 1:21:33.320 --> 1:21:36.320 But pot prosecutors presented texts of him talking about drugs 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:38.800 with friends before he even went to Stanford, Like, there's 1:21:38.840 --> 1:21:41.479 texts of him asking for dabs. There's text of him 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:44.280 asking like to do LSD and shit, like he was 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:46.719 doing into drugs before he went to college. 1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:49.280 And then the girl who he creeped out at the party, 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:52.880 I think dabbing a bad name. Yeah, the girl that 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:55.400 he creeped out at that party a week earlier was 1:21:55.439 --> 1:21:55.800 brought up. 1:21:55.800 --> 1:21:57.879 I don't know if she testified, but like her testimony, 1:21:57.960 --> 1:22:01.120 her like her statement was brought up. And so they're 1:22:01.160 --> 1:22:02.760 like trying to paint it as like a pattern of 1:22:02.840 --> 1:22:04.720 this is what this guy is kid is doing. He's 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:08.639 getting wasted and he's being really aggressive with women and raping. 1:22:09.400 --> 1:22:12.960 So in March of twenty sixteen, he is found guilty 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:15.679 on all three counts. Okay, and his lawyer of course 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:18.479 like vowed to appeal it or whatever. And then so 1:22:18.560 --> 1:22:20.479 March of twenty sixteen is the guilty verdict, but he 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:24.400 doesn't get sentenced for a few months. On May thirty first, 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:29.960 twenty sixteen, his lawyer, Mike Armstrong asks the judge to 1:22:30.040 --> 1:22:33.960 sentence his client to an extremely lenient four months, stating 1:22:34.000 --> 1:22:37.320 that it's impossible to know when she went from being 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:42.000 conscious to being unconscious, and he told the judge that 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:45.000 Turner was quote a fundamentally good young man from a 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:47.960 good family, with a record of real accomplishments, who made 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:51.160 bad choices during his time at Stanford of about four months, 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:54.320 especially related to alcohol, and the twenty minutes or so 1:22:54.400 --> 1:22:57.599 during the night of January seventeenth, eighteenth, twenty fifteen when 1:22:57.600 --> 1:23:00.400 he committed these serious crimes. So the lawyer are kind 1:23:00.439 --> 1:23:04.360 of like, bad choices, but he's accomplished so much. 1:23:04.400 --> 1:23:09.000 She's it's like, yeah, that's the reasoning doesn't matter, Like, yeah, 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:11.040 I was a swimmer, I had a record. Should I 1:23:11.040 --> 1:23:13.559 go rape? What are you talking about? What are we 1:23:13.640 --> 1:23:14.320 talking about? 1:23:14.360 --> 1:23:17.400 Like who cares? Like who cares about swimming or anything? 1:23:17.479 --> 1:23:20.639 But like, I mean, I just can't believe we live 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:24.000 in this world where like this boy's academic or swimming 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:27.360 success is valuable. 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:30.920 The men that are in power see themselves in him, 1:23:31.920 --> 1:23:34.240 Like you know, they see themselves in him. They're like, WHOA, 1:23:34.280 --> 1:23:37.080 what if I got in trouble? That's like every guy 1:23:37.160 --> 1:23:39.479 you talked to about, every guy you talked to about 1:23:39.479 --> 1:23:42.000 consent and rape and everything is like, oh well, I mean, 1:23:42.320 --> 1:23:44.479 now are you saying I've rape because I've had sex 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:46.240 with a girl that's like really drunk or whatever. And 1:23:46.280 --> 1:23:48.519 it's like, you know, I don't know, I don't know 1:23:48.600 --> 1:23:52.559 that exact situation, but like these got these men see 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:59.559 themselves in these young boys that have been given every advantage, 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:01.360 and yeah, I still make these decisions. 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:06.160 It's unfair that the burden of like protecting yourself is 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:07.840 all on women too. 1:24:08.640 --> 1:24:09.600 Yeah. 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:12.080 Yeah, you can't get drunk. You should have a whipit, 1:24:12.080 --> 1:24:14.360 you should have a plan B. You should be texting track, 1:24:14.439 --> 1:24:19.200 you know. Like but the dudes, it's like, stop fucking 1:24:19.520 --> 1:24:21.200 doing stuff drunk, be sober. 1:24:21.840 --> 1:24:23.720 Yeah. 1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:26.040 I know, he would have raped forever, He would have 1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:29.320 raped forever. Thank god he's on the registry. Thank god 1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:30.280 he's on the registry. 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:35.240 Yeah, because this is like a plenty of people go 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:38.240 to college and have never drank before or never really 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:41.040 partied hard before, and they make stupid mistakes. They're not 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:45.519 all raping, you know, Like so if you're it's like whatever. 1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:47.640 If alcohol is a truth serum and it kind of 1:24:47.640 --> 1:24:50.040 reveals a little bit of who you really are, then 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:52.040 like your what your thing is is I take what 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:54.760 I want and I you know, this is what I do. 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:55.960 So I agree. 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:58.160 I think he would have absolutely gone on to keep 1:24:58.200 --> 1:25:01.000 doing that or do more serious I'm so I'm curious 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:03.360 if the jury got to sentence what they would have 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:04.080 sentenced him. 1:25:04.200 --> 1:25:06.960 Fuck this judge, I know, I know. 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:11.320 Okay, So he also made sure the lawyer to note 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:14.680 to the judge, you know, Turner's already been expelled from Stanford, 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:16.640 which puts the cabash on what could have been a 1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:18.000 huge swimming career. 1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:22.040 Crimey a chlorinated river. What are we talking about? 1:25:22.400 --> 1:25:23.880 What do you mean a huge swimming career If you're 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:26.080 not going to the Olympics, what is your swimming career? Like? 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:26.400 Is there? 1:25:26.520 --> 1:25:29.120 He might never be able to sleep and feel safe 1:25:29.160 --> 1:25:31.160 ever in her life. Yeah, you might never be able 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:34.640 to party, or her sister blames or something like yeah, 1:25:34.680 --> 1:25:36.439 like I just can't, I can't. 1:25:37.200 --> 1:25:38.519 I mean, he might not be able to do the 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:41.920 butterfly stroke again. Who fucking cares anyway. Sorry, we were 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:44.080 really shitting on swimming today. Even though Lisa, I didn't 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:45.919 know you were a record holder. That's very impressive. 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:49.880 It was a JV record, I left that out, but 1:25:49.920 --> 1:25:52.440 I did have the JV record for the hundred butterfly. 1:25:52.600 --> 1:25:55.800 Ooh, butterflies so hard I cannot do that stroke. 1:25:55.920 --> 1:25:56.120 Yeah. 1:25:56.120 --> 1:25:58.320 I ended up being like okay at swimming, you know, 1:25:58.479 --> 1:26:03.000 but then uh, I reached the maximum potential that I had. 1:26:03.760 --> 1:26:05.960 And then you just turn to a life of crime. 1:26:05.720 --> 1:26:10.479 Because if this woman's career can't happen anyway. So Chanelle Miller, 1:26:10.520 --> 1:26:14.160 the victim, read a victim impact statement that addressed Turner 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:18.000 directly and started with quote, you don't know me, but 1:26:18.040 --> 1:26:20.519 you've been inside of me, and that's why we're here today. 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:26.880 BuzzFeed published the entire statement, which is very lengthy and amazing. 1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:27.880 I've read it. 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:29.519 I had read it when it first came out, and 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:31.640 like I'm getting goosebumps now thinking about it, Like it 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:33.120 is so well written. 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:37.479 Once her academic career, you know, like we're so worried 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:38.759 about this guy. 1:26:39.400 --> 1:26:43.759 I know, and she's also like a Chinese American girl, 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:47.360 which I hadn't mentioned earlier. But people were like, also, yeah, 1:26:47.439 --> 1:26:52.599 like the fact that he's this white guy, Like, you know, 1:26:53.120 --> 1:26:56.160 victims of color don't get always the same treatment as 1:26:56.200 --> 1:26:58.880 like the white blonde woman women who go missing, like 1:26:58.920 --> 1:27:01.120 you know what we're calling the other day, like missing 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:06.840 white women's syndrome. So it's really so like, it's so 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:09.360 fucked in so many ways. But I love what she wrote. 1:27:09.560 --> 1:27:11.880 She wrote this really great. It's linked in our show 1:27:11.920 --> 1:27:16.639 notes her her entire statement that goes viral. She had 1:27:16.680 --> 1:27:18.519 no idea it was going to go so viral. She 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:21.200 was like, oh my god, like it was. It had 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:24.800 like fifteen thousand views within like minutes of her putting 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:26.920 it up, and so a lot of. 1:27:26.880 --> 1:27:29.679 People were That was at the end of May. 1:27:29.800 --> 1:27:32.479 And so then June second, a couple days later of 1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:37.639 twenty sixteen, Judge Aaron Persky sentences brock Turner two six 1:27:37.800 --> 1:27:42.000 months in jail, three years of probation and orders him 1:27:42.040 --> 1:27:45.680 to be on the Sex Offender Registry for life. So 1:27:45.880 --> 1:27:49.200 the judge said that a longer prison term quote would 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:53.320 have a severe impact on him end quote. Now, the 1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:55.880 mac sentence that he could have received, I guess was 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:57.920 was fourteen years. 1:27:58.520 --> 1:28:00.120 And let me tell you something. 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:03.160 This fuck face was sentenced to six months, and you 1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:05.040 can bet your ass he walked his ass out of 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:09.240 Santa Clara County Jail on September second, having served three 1:28:09.280 --> 1:28:11.960 months of that six months. Like they couldn't even make 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:15.519 him do the full fucking six months. And as he left, 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:18.439 he had been in protective custody because of the status 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:22.080 of the case in jail, and so it's like not 1:28:22.120 --> 1:28:24.439 only that, it's like he doesn't even he probably doesn't 1:28:24.479 --> 1:28:29.160 even really experience like the atrocities of being in the 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:32.840 American prison prison system. He's because he's probably like in 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:35.519 a protective custody by himself or with maybe a few 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:38.479 other people. And he as he left, the corrections officers 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:40.000 gave him a package of hate mail, which had been 1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:42.040 building up while he was there. So that's kind of fun. 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:43.880 They're like, here you go, here's something to read on 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:44.479 the car right home. 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:47.759 Baby, Oh god, you don't hear much great news about 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:49.040 correctionals officers. 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:50.360 That was nice. 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:57.920 Yeah, yeah, oot, cool cool cool, cool cool cool. 1:28:58.320 --> 1:28:59.200 That's for the people. 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:02.439 That's for the Michelle Dauber, who I mentioned earlier, the 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:05.080 Stanford law professor who had the research on the how 1:29:05.160 --> 1:29:09.200 much Stamford had been prosecuting or or not prosecuting, but 1:29:09.280 --> 1:29:13.080 adjudicating their rape cases on their campus. She launched a 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:16.960 campaign to remove Perski from the bench. Okay, Aaron Persky 1:29:17.160 --> 1:29:19.200 is an elected trial judge, so they had to have 1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:23.240 a recall election. No trial judge recall had even made 1:29:23.280 --> 1:29:26.519 it to a ballot anywhere in the country since nineteen 1:29:26.560 --> 1:29:30.439 eighty two, and in California, no judge had been recalled 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:34.840 since nineteen thirty two. And then there was Perski and 1:29:34.920 --> 1:29:40.679 this fucking joke judge was recalled successfully in twenty eighteen. Wow, wait, 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:46.400 that never happens. I'm like shock, Yeah, so he was recalled. Unfortunately. 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:50.760 I did read some research that was, like, the repercussions 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.519 of recalling a judge for something like that is that 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:56.360 other judges are going to take be more serious with 1:29:56.439 --> 1:30:00.479 their sentences, and those sentences are never on people like 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:04.880 brock Turner, They're predominantly on people of color. And so 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:09.240 research that was born out after said that the recall 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:12.160 may have resulted in longer sentences unfortunately for a lot 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:12.920 of people of color. 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:15.960 But I think ultimately. 1:30:17.120 --> 1:30:22.000 This ends the message that it wouldn't impact more like 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:25.080 lengthier sentences for the white guy since it was a 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:26.439 white guy, Like, I can't believe. 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:29.040 I think they're just doing all over sentences and people 1:30:29.080 --> 1:30:31.320 of color are getting arrested and brought to trial more often, 1:30:31.360 --> 1:30:35.120 and you know, like so they're because the law, because 1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:37.640 the law enforcement system is like rigged against them. So 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:41.960 I that's like research that Actually Michelle Dauber herself put 1:30:41.960 --> 1:30:44.680 out after this happened, so there were like parts of 1:30:44.760 --> 1:30:48.479 the recall that she regretted. But whatever, I think it's 1:30:48.640 --> 1:30:51.639 good ultimately to show like, oh, this little good old 1:30:51.640 --> 1:30:53.880 boys club where you're not like where you could just say, oh, 1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:56.559 he's a sweet little boy. It's not gonna fly, like 1:30:56.600 --> 1:30:59.880 people will get your ass recalled. So the DA also 1:31:00.160 --> 1:31:03.840 used the rage over Turner sentence to successfully advocate for 1:31:04.040 --> 1:31:08.559 mandatory minimum prison sentences for defendants convicted of sexual assault. 1:31:08.760 --> 1:31:11.439 So under that new law, Turner would have gone a 1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:16.360 minimum of three years if it happened. Stay this is California, 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:19.000 and that at the same time, the state legislature in 1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:22.439 California also expanded the definition of rape, and under that law, 1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:26.320 his assault involving digital penetration would have been considered rape 1:31:26.840 --> 1:31:31.519 instead of the sexual assault with the foreign object. So 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:36.120 at least some like the smallest bit of silver lining 1:31:36.160 --> 1:31:38.360 is that some new legislature came out of this case 1:31:38.760 --> 1:31:41.600 and all the rage people had for it, so, you know, 1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:45.960 protesting and being pissed about shit like this like it 1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:49.719 can even though this joker only got three fucking months, 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:53.719 the law has now been changed. So brock Turner tried 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:56.360 to appeal his conviction in twenty seventeen. 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:57.479 It did not work. 1:31:57.600 --> 1:32:02.519 The jury believed that he is he was rightfully convicted, 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:04.240 and that he deserves to be on the sex Registry 1:32:04.240 --> 1:32:06.559 for life. And the shit he was trying to say 1:32:07.280 --> 1:32:11.559 for why he was saying I should have my conviction 1:32:11.640 --> 1:32:15.240 overturned because they were saying we were in a garbage 1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:18.280 enclosure rather than a dumpster era. It's like, what are 1:32:18.280 --> 1:32:22.720 you like semantics like trying to or like literally trying. 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:26.800 To like Anthony Edwards like whatever whatever he could get, yeah, whatever, 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:28.759 he was gonna try whatever he could. 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:31.880 Yeah. So I don't know what's going on with brock Turner. 1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:32.040 Now. 1:32:32.080 --> 1:32:33.000 I kind of tried to. 1:32:33.800 --> 1:32:36.280 I kind of tried to look up what was up 1:32:36.360 --> 1:32:39.719 with him, But there's like a whisper network in Ohio 1:32:39.840 --> 1:32:41.720 and whenever people see him out at the bars, they 1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:44.000 like take video and they send it around on TikTok, 1:32:44.040 --> 1:32:45.960 and it's always like watch out for this guy. Like 1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:48.559 people are really trying to make it so that he 1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:50.920 can like never date or be on app. I mean, 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:53.320 I don't think if you're on the sex register like 1:32:53.360 --> 1:32:54.840 you could be on dating apps. 1:32:54.880 --> 1:32:55.519 But I doubt. 1:32:55.560 --> 1:32:58.000 I'm sure there's ways around that because a lot of 1:32:58.040 --> 1:33:00.639 those apps don't really care about women's But. 1:33:01.640 --> 1:33:05.240 Well, also I heard he like, yeah, lives with his parents, 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:08.800 and like, yeah, that lives with his parents, and yeah, 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:10.920 this all happened like ten years ago. 1:33:11.040 --> 1:33:13.960 So he's about twenty nine and lives with his parents 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:17.160 and he's on the sexoponder registry forever, and. 1:33:17.439 --> 1:33:20.720 Yeah, that is that. But I would really really like 1:33:20.800 --> 1:33:21.400 that that. 1:33:21.240 --> 1:33:26.320 The judge got fucking punished for that too. Yeah, I'm 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:28.679 sorry for the negative repercussions though, of course. 1:33:29.600 --> 1:33:32.559 And Chanelle did write a book and does speak and 1:33:32.600 --> 1:33:34.840 I'm gonna talk about that during what would Sister Pig Do? 1:33:35.000 --> 1:33:37.439 Well, thank you for doing that. I really didn't want 1:33:37.439 --> 1:33:39.840 to research it so enraging. 1:33:39.680 --> 1:33:43.479 So but I really like people should read her victim 1:33:43.520 --> 1:33:47.360 statement and I think like people should give that victim 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:50.519 statement to like anybody that's like, oh, she shouldn't have 1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:50.880 been drinking. 1:33:50.920 --> 1:33:52.519 Why don't women report this? And that? 1:33:52.760 --> 1:33:59.600 Like this woman wrote such a like amazing like visceral. 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:03.720 I mean, she talks in her statement about how she 1:34:03.880 --> 1:34:07.240 did not really know, like no one ever really explained 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:11.800 to her, like how she was found or like what 1:34:11.960 --> 1:34:15.000 the scene was until she read about it in the 1:34:15.000 --> 1:34:18.880 press and she was like, this cannot be what happened 1:34:18.920 --> 1:34:21.080 to me. Like you know, I think people were like, oh, 1:34:21.120 --> 1:34:22.599 you were you know, I think the cops tell you, oh, 1:34:22.640 --> 1:34:25.160 you were assaulted like whatever, But like she was like, oh, 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:27.280 that's why pine needles were in my hair. Oh that's 1:34:27.320 --> 1:34:30.120 why this happened. Like I was behind a dumpster. Like 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:32.400 it was like they didn't even I don't know if 1:34:32.400 --> 1:34:34.120 that was like a trauma thing to not tell her 1:34:34.200 --> 1:34:37.040 or whatever, but she would. She describes reading about her 1:34:37.160 --> 1:34:41.680 assault in the news and being like that that's how 1:34:41.680 --> 1:34:44.240 I found out, like kind of how all the events unfolded. 1:34:44.880 --> 1:34:48.719 And it's like she she's funny, She's a funny writer. 1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:51.360 She she keeps calling the two guys that stopped the 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:55.000 attack the evil Swedes. She's like What would you have 1:34:55.080 --> 1:34:57.599 done if the evil Swedes hadn't come by to interrupt 1:34:57.640 --> 1:34:58.160 what happened? 1:34:58.680 --> 1:34:58.760 Like? 1:34:58.800 --> 1:34:59.920 Would you have walked me home? 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:02.519 Would you have taken me some more warm like this 1:35:02.560 --> 1:35:05.280 girl did not wake up for three more hours? Would 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:07.400 he have lugged her back? Would he have called campus 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:09.679 safety and gotten her ride home? 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:10.040 No? 1:35:10.640 --> 1:35:13.200 That guy would have probably left her by a fucking dumpster. 1:35:14.200 --> 1:35:17.680 And that's the truth. So anyway, I'm going to talk 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:21.720 about her memoir and in what would Sister Peg Do? 1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:24.800 But for now we can cleanse our palette a little 1:35:24.840 --> 1:35:28.400 bit and get to an interview with an amazing guest 1:35:28.400 --> 1:35:39.679 that we have today that we've already teased. Okay, our 1:35:39.760 --> 1:35:42.679 guest today is an actor who you may have seen 1:35:42.760 --> 1:35:45.360 as a regular on shows like Apple TV's Your Friends 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:48.679 and Neighbors and Law and Order True Crime The Menendez Brothers. 1:35:49.160 --> 1:35:52.840 She's also a big fan of stand up comedy. We've 1:35:52.880 --> 1:35:55.320 talked about it, and you know her today as our victim, 1:35:55.400 --> 1:35:59.720 Janie Spears. Please enjoy our chat with the lovely Anna Asciola. 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:02.480 Hi, nice to meet you, Anna, I know you and Liza. 1:36:04.280 --> 1:36:09.799 Told everyone sorry, this is our first time booking a 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:12.240 guest by John Ham summoning. 1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:15.920 It was a thrilling evening for me. 1:36:16.840 --> 1:36:18.680 I don't did you notice I was staring at you 1:36:18.760 --> 1:36:20.760 kind of weird or no? 1:36:20.760 --> 1:36:21.000 No? 1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:23.840 Not okay, yeah, because I was like, I fucking know 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:27.320 this girl. I know. I think also because like your 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:30.519 hair is like so curly in the episode and if 1:36:30.560 --> 1:36:32.639 the straight night. 1:36:32.640 --> 1:36:36.519 Though, but I just love that because I go through 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:40.320 my life having that experience so many times, and the 1:36:40.360 --> 1:36:42.200 first thing I do is look up to see if 1:36:42.200 --> 1:36:46.599 they've been on SVU because it's like that then usually 1:36:46.640 --> 1:36:47.800 that's where I know them from. 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:49.840 So oh, I'm very flattered. 1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:53.799 The reverse has taken placed percent. 1:36:53.920 --> 1:36:57.360 And it's also, I think an episode we were avoiding 1:36:57.520 --> 1:37:00.880 because brock Turner makes us so mad, like it's such 1:37:00.920 --> 1:37:03.400 a current case. We were in it through it because 1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:08.360 we we researched all the real crime. It's just everyone's 1:37:08.360 --> 1:37:10.719 a criminal and bad that we researched. But this case 1:37:10.760 --> 1:37:12.040 we were like, fuck. 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:17.680 But it was really was not carried out, no in 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:19.120 this instance. 1:37:19.160 --> 1:37:21.400 And then there was the you know, the sort of 1:37:21.520 --> 1:37:26.519 twist with Olivia's ex partner and all of that, which 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:29.280 I kind of forgot and I rewatched the episode last night. 1:37:29.320 --> 1:37:30.160 I was like Oh yeah. 1:37:30.200 --> 1:37:33.960 That was also a factor that was making it a 1:37:33.960 --> 1:37:37.200 little not rock turnery. Also that he was sort of 1:37:37.200 --> 1:37:40.240 like working class the dad rather than in the real 1:37:40.280 --> 1:37:43.559 brock Turner case, he's like this super you know, upper 1:37:43.640 --> 1:37:46.400 crust rich kid. That's yeah, I think they still even 1:37:46.439 --> 1:37:47.040 more maddening. 1:37:47.240 --> 1:37:49.000 They tried to make him a little bit rich kid 1:37:49.000 --> 1:37:52.559 with the whole Goldman Sachs like d Bond Trader thing. 1:37:52.800 --> 1:37:55.280 But he is from like a cop family, so it's 1:37:55.280 --> 1:37:59.120 a it's a little bit different, but and exciting seeing 1:37:59.160 --> 1:38:00.240 Anthony Edwards. 1:38:01.040 --> 1:38:04.479 Yes, for sure, and also playing kind of like a dick, 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:06.920 which you don't really associate him with. 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:11.120 Yeah, at least I didn't growing up watching Er. He 1:38:11.160 --> 1:38:13.479 always seemed like, you know, the sweet guy. 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:16.120 I remember crying really hard when his character died on 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:19.080 e R. Like it was the first time that that 1:38:19.240 --> 1:38:24.280 Hawaiian version of Somewhere Over the Rainbow was used at 1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:26.920 They were really like using that as a tool of 1:38:26.960 --> 1:38:29.719 destruction to break people's. 1:38:29.040 --> 1:38:31.559 I think I said that was like maybe after I 1:38:31.680 --> 1:38:35.240 stopped watching, because I don't I don't remember that as there's. 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:37.200 Like a balloon that goes up into the sky and 1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:41.280 you're just like, oh my God, Doctor Green, like It's tough, 1:38:41.320 --> 1:38:41.679 It's tough. 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:44.640 I was that was like my mom's show, my mom definitely. 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:49.840 Okay, okay, okay, I didn't mean that, mean. 1:38:49.800 --> 1:38:52.080 That before or am the youngest of four, so I 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:54.320 was watching things that I should not have been. 1:38:54.439 --> 1:38:57.080 Oh yeah, from the time that I was really little. 1:38:57.800 --> 1:39:02.840 I remember, oh my god, just like everything. But I 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:07.759 mean TV shows especially like uh like, I remember watching 1:39:07.920 --> 1:39:10.800 La Law probably when I was like three or four 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:14.760 years old SNL. I also watched Howard Stern like when 1:39:14.760 --> 1:39:17.599 it was on E because my dad would always watch it. 1:39:18.040 --> 1:39:20.920 I watched it on CBS after S and Now and 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:23.200 I would turn down the volume and I was and 1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:24.960 then I would yeah, and then I would go more 1:39:25.000 --> 1:39:27.439 perverted into HBO's real sex if it was like a 1:39:27.680 --> 1:39:28.600 real for me. 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:36.880 Absolutely, Bunny Ranch, oh yeah, yes, absolutely, But no, Howard 1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:39.280 Stern was like on in the main like in the 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:41.400 living room, just for everyone to walk. 1:39:41.439 --> 1:39:43.479 Wow, isn't that wild? 1:39:44.640 --> 1:39:46.960 We love people will send us there's a lot of 1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:50.559 viral videos of babies dancing to the SVU theme song, 1:39:50.680 --> 1:39:51.840 and we really love that. 1:39:52.280 --> 1:39:53.160 We really love it. 1:39:53.200 --> 1:39:55.360 And everybody tells us they watched it with their mom 1:39:55.439 --> 1:39:57.320 or their grandma growing up when they were like way 1:39:57.320 --> 1:39:58.280 too young to watch it. 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:02.200 So yeah, no, I would just watch it at home. 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:05.960 And I'm pretty sure the first time I had, like 1:40:06.040 --> 1:40:08.719 when ring tones became a thing, like when you could 1:40:09.280 --> 1:40:11.679 pick your own ringtone, you could like download a song. 1:40:12.040 --> 1:40:13.920 The first one that I ever did was the lawn 1:40:14.040 --> 1:40:16.639 Order theme song when I was in tenth grade. 1:40:16.720 --> 1:40:21.000 Oh my gosh, I had a murder. She wrote one song. 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:24.120 I actually am aging myself. I think I'm seventy, like 1:40:26.000 --> 1:40:31.560 I like few theme song ring and then you manifested 1:40:31.600 --> 1:40:32.840 it and you got to be on. 1:40:32.800 --> 1:40:35.240 The show, Like it was very exciting. 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.040 How have you been auditioning for a while? Was it 1:40:38.080 --> 1:40:38.920 the first audition? 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:39.120 Yea? 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:40.599 Had you been gunning out for it? 1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:42.200 No, it was. 1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:45.920 It did come about sort of in a very strange, 1:40:46.160 --> 1:40:49.880 unusual way because I used to live in New York, 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:53.040 but then I moved out to LA to pursue acting, 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:55.760 and I was back visiting my best friend for like 1:40:55.800 --> 1:40:58.040 the last two weeks of the summer, and it was 1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:02.120 the tail end of this that I got this audition 1:41:02.439 --> 1:41:05.519 and I went in and read for it, and then 1:41:05.560 --> 1:41:07.000 the day that I was meant to go back to 1:41:07.160 --> 1:41:09.439 La they were like, they want you to to come 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:11.160 back in for a callback, and I was like, Okay, 1:41:11.200 --> 1:41:12.840 well are they going to tell me if I booked 1:41:12.880 --> 1:41:15.519 it like before eight pm? Because I got to get 1:41:15.560 --> 1:41:18.280 on a plane and so I was waiting, waiting, and 1:41:18.280 --> 1:41:22.040 then also sort of not having anything to do with it. 1:41:22.120 --> 1:41:24.679 But I feel like it was cosmically related. 1:41:25.080 --> 1:41:28.400 I was having a tarot reading, and like at the 1:41:28.560 --> 1:41:31.040 very end of the tarot reading, I got the call 1:41:31.080 --> 1:41:33.120 from an agent that I had booked it so. 1:41:33.320 --> 1:41:36.760 Well did the reader predict that at all? Or was 1:41:36.800 --> 1:41:38.280 there something big is about to happen. 1:41:39.280 --> 1:41:39.559 Yeah. 1:41:39.600 --> 1:41:42.680 I don't remember like anything specifically with that, but I 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:45.120 just feel like there was a lot of positive energy 1:41:45.160 --> 1:41:49.880 that was brewing, and I was very much so like 1:41:50.200 --> 1:41:53.439 needing to book this or I would not be able 1:41:53.479 --> 1:41:55.400 to continue with SAD health insurance. 1:41:55.720 --> 1:41:57.080 So it was. 1:41:57.160 --> 1:42:01.559 It came out of very opportune, opportune time, So it was. 1:42:01.640 --> 1:42:03.599 And then I got to stay in the city for 1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:06.240 like another two weeks and be a working actor in 1:42:06.240 --> 1:42:07.960 the city, which was very exciting. 1:42:08.520 --> 1:42:12.280 Damn, it's so cruel, and it's a you know, it's juicy. 1:42:12.320 --> 1:42:14.880 You're at the hospital, you're at the party, you're at 1:42:14.880 --> 1:42:15.479 the pesting. 1:42:15.520 --> 1:42:18.400 It's all the different rooms. Yeah, you're a big, big, big, 1:42:18.439 --> 1:42:19.400 big guest. 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:23.120 I'm the victim. Yeah I was. I couldn't I couldn't believe. 1:42:23.160 --> 1:42:25.439 It was the first time I had like booked something 1:42:25.479 --> 1:42:27.800 where it was like, I've been watching this show since 1:42:27.800 --> 1:42:31.800 I was whatever five years old, and now I get 1:42:31.840 --> 1:42:33.040 to be on it. 1:42:33.160 --> 1:42:37.559 Was it extra exciting because it's SVU, You've watched it forever. 1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:40.200 Was it like, what were your feelings? 1:42:40.240 --> 1:42:42.000 Definitely? That was Yeah. 1:42:42.040 --> 1:42:43.679 That was like I was saying, that was the first 1:42:43.680 --> 1:42:46.360 show that I've been on where it was something that 1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:48.600 I had been watching since I was little, and it 1:42:48.720 --> 1:42:53.160 was you know, this cult phenomenon basically, but one that 1:42:53.240 --> 1:42:56.200 I was really, you know, a fan of. 1:42:57.520 --> 1:42:59.559 So that was awesome. 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:03.840 And big shoes to Phil playing you know, the the 1:43:03.960 --> 1:43:06.000 victim of the story and for a rip from the 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:09.920 headlines story. Uh, and then obviously the legacy of you know, 1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:12.840 all of these actors who have have gotten their start 1:43:12.920 --> 1:43:14.800 on Law and Order. It was like, this is you 1:43:14.840 --> 1:43:19.840 know a big deal and you know, so I I am. 1:43:20.520 --> 1:43:26.280 I'm sad that I didn't get Stabler, but getting to 1:43:26.800 --> 1:43:32.320 work with Marishka, she just like she gives so much 1:43:32.520 --> 1:43:36.519 in every scene. It makes it like her compassion just 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:39.519 comes off as so genuine in a scene with her 1:43:39.600 --> 1:43:42.599 that it makes it so easy to really like feel 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.880 bad for yourself and and be able to get to 1:43:45.920 --> 1:43:49.120 these really emotional places that you have to get to. 1:43:49.280 --> 1:43:52.559 So I just remember that specifically in the scenes with her, 1:43:52.640 --> 1:43:54.960 that it was like I would just immediately get to 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:57.280 where I needed to be because she was just she 1:43:58.080 --> 1:44:02.320 was so warm and present and like gave so much. 1:44:03.120 --> 1:44:05.960 Yeah, like that scene. I love that scene where you're like, 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:08.080 why do I have to testify? Like why is it 1:44:08.120 --> 1:44:10.639 all on me to say that this is like what happened? 1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:14.840 Like that one that was that really got me? Great job? 1:44:14.960 --> 1:44:18.559 Yeah that thank you. Yeah, it's funny. 1:44:18.560 --> 1:44:21.439 I remember shooting that one was like for me in 1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:23.840 the moment, I felt like I wasn't getting to where 1:44:23.880 --> 1:44:27.160 I needed to be. And then watching it back and 1:44:27.200 --> 1:44:29.120 even you know, people that know me, like I remember 1:44:29.120 --> 1:44:31.080 my sister saying like, oh my god, that that was 1:44:31.160 --> 1:44:34.160 like you that would was the way you get when 1:44:34.200 --> 1:44:38.240 you are, you know, in that mode and uh. And 1:44:38.280 --> 1:44:40.320 then when I watched it back last night, I was like, oh, yeah, 1:44:40.360 --> 1:44:43.519 I guess that was that was pretty accurate, I feel like, 1:44:43.560 --> 1:44:46.280 and I could see that my chest was like red 1:44:46.560 --> 1:44:50.439 in the scene, so I was like, really, you know, 1:44:50.560 --> 1:44:52.400 trying trying to get to that place. But I did 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:55.840 really like that line that it's like, you know it, 1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:59.519 I'm the victim. Why is it my responsibility to prove 1:44:59.600 --> 1:45:02.280 that I'm a victim? Like this guy should prove that, 1:45:02.320 --> 1:45:04.880 even though obviously that's not the way the justice system works. 1:45:04.920 --> 1:45:08.400 But but yeah, if you are violated in that way, 1:45:08.479 --> 1:45:12.960 it's just like another level to have to then convince 1:45:13.040 --> 1:45:14.560 people that you were violated. 1:45:14.840 --> 1:45:16.160 Are you from the East Coast? 1:45:17.120 --> 1:45:20.640 Yes, I'm from Cambridge, Massachusetts. But then I moved to 1:45:20.640 --> 1:45:22.840 New York when I was fifteen, So I went to 1:45:22.920 --> 1:45:23.840 high school in the city. 1:45:24.000 --> 1:45:26.080 Oh did you go to like performing arts or like, 1:45:26.120 --> 1:45:27.400 where did you come here to act? 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:27.600 No? 1:45:27.680 --> 1:45:29.000 I went to uh No. 1:45:29.240 --> 1:45:33.120 I convinced my parents to move to New York City 1:45:34.240 --> 1:45:39.320 when I was fourteen fifteen because I was the only 1:45:39.400 --> 1:45:41.760 kid left in the house. All my siblings i'd moved 1:45:41.800 --> 1:45:45.400 out and they all lived in New York and I 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:46.320 just really. 1:45:46.080 --> 1:45:47.679 Wanted to live in New York. 1:45:48.600 --> 1:45:52.320 I'm not gonna lie in part very heavily influenced by 1:45:52.360 --> 1:45:53.759 reading the Gossip Girl novels. 1:45:54.960 --> 1:45:56.080 When you're like, I want to be. 1:45:56.800 --> 1:45:59.200 Our tenis as a sophomore in high school, this is 1:45:59.240 --> 1:45:59.839 my life. 1:46:00.120 --> 1:46:03.960 Much And then my ulterior motive was that I wanted 1:46:04.000 --> 1:46:06.519 to become a model. So when I moved to New York, 1:46:06.560 --> 1:46:10.080 I went on an open call and got the modeling 1:46:10.120 --> 1:46:12.400 agent and that that all. 1:46:12.479 --> 1:46:15.360 Wow, it all worked out, took off. Yes, that's a 1:46:15.360 --> 1:46:17.160 lot of good planning for a fifteen year old. I 1:46:17.200 --> 1:46:19.200 would say most people, most fifteen year olds don't know 1:46:19.240 --> 1:46:19.720 what they want. 1:46:20.680 --> 1:46:24.360 Yeah, No, I was very I always known exactly what 1:46:24.400 --> 1:46:24.760 I want. 1:46:25.280 --> 1:46:27.880 Wow, how long did it take you to convince them 1:46:27.920 --> 1:46:29.679 to leave Cambridge? 1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:30.639 Like a year? 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:35.479 My mom is from New York to my entire extended 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:37.360 family is from New York, so you know, we would 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:38.519 go to New York all the time. 1:46:38.560 --> 1:46:41.280 It wasn't like a random foreign concept. 1:46:42.560 --> 1:46:46.000 But I think I started with, you know, I want 1:46:46.040 --> 1:46:47.960 to I want to move to New York City. I 1:46:48.000 --> 1:46:51.320 want to go to this you know, I want to 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:53.040 go to school in the city. 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:54.759 And I looked up which ones. 1:46:54.640 --> 1:46:56.000 I would want to go to, and there were two 1:46:56.040 --> 1:46:58.160 that I liked that had the sort of the. 1:47:00.360 --> 1:47:01.080 Girl life. 1:47:02.360 --> 1:47:04.720 Not really like no, if I really wanted to be like, 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:08.200 you know, living living the gossip girl dream, I would 1:47:08.240 --> 1:47:11.360 have gone to Dalton or somewhere uptown. But I had always, 1:47:11.560 --> 1:47:14.640 you know, had like progressive education, and so I was 1:47:14.720 --> 1:47:17.960 I was sort of tempering it with that. So I 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:21.120 was either going to go to Friends or Little Red Schoolhouse. 1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:23.960 And I ended up choosing Little Red School hups in 1:47:24.360 --> 1:47:27.559 Elizabeth Irwin High School, so like downtown sort of more 1:47:27.760 --> 1:47:31.880 artsy schools, And so my mom was like, well, you. 1:47:31.800 --> 1:47:33.320 Can apply, but we're not moving. 1:47:33.439 --> 1:47:35.639 So I applied and then I ended up getting in, 1:47:35.760 --> 1:47:38.600 and then my mom, you know, let me go and 1:47:38.640 --> 1:47:41.639 tour the school. And then over the course of the year, 1:47:41.720 --> 1:47:45.360 after all of these benchmarks of you know, I sent 1:47:45.400 --> 1:47:51.240 the application, I got accepted. I then by the spring 1:47:52.520 --> 1:47:54.600 I had worn them thin, I guess, and they were like, 1:47:54.760 --> 1:47:58.200 all right, let's let's try something new. And they'd lived 1:47:58.200 --> 1:48:02.680 in Cambridge for thirty years and they went for it. 1:48:02.920 --> 1:48:08.520 So that's so cool. So you love TV and movies. 1:48:08.600 --> 1:48:13.959 Yes, absolutely, Yes, I grew up in a TV movie household. 1:48:14.120 --> 1:48:16.400 There was no there was no limit. 1:48:16.920 --> 1:48:21.160 Yeah, I mean, I'm a have always been a very 1:48:21.560 --> 1:48:25.479 like hard working straight a student, I would always do 1:48:25.560 --> 1:48:26.960 my homework in front of the TV. 1:48:27.240 --> 1:48:30.559 But you know, just that was there was never what 1:48:30.600 --> 1:48:32.800 a dream. I was not allowed to do that And 1:48:32.800 --> 1:48:35.559 that sounds so cool, but you guys do. But you 1:48:35.600 --> 1:48:37.160 are a movie and TV family. 1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:37.400 Though. 1:48:37.439 --> 1:48:38.000 That's strange. 1:48:38.000 --> 1:48:40.400 You had all these limits, but you all yeah because 1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:41.519 now movies as well. 1:48:42.080 --> 1:48:45.160 Yeah, I feel like it reads that. 1:48:45.360 --> 1:48:47.320 Yeah, we weren't allowed to watch it at all during 1:48:47.320 --> 1:48:48.439 the week only on the weekend. 1:48:48.479 --> 1:48:50.799 And then on the weekend I'd be like put blinders 1:48:50.800 --> 1:48:51.000 on it. 1:48:52.120 --> 1:48:52.360 Yeah. 1:48:53.160 --> 1:48:55.120 Yes, that would be like if you had a friend 1:48:55.120 --> 1:48:57.280 that didn't have cable and then they came over and 1:48:57.320 --> 1:49:00.080 it would be like, yeah, we like go play. 1:48:59.720 --> 1:49:02.200 Like no show. 1:49:02.400 --> 1:49:04.120 Yeah yeah. 1:49:04.120 --> 1:49:06.679 I would rush home from school like give me full 1:49:06.720 --> 1:49:10.000 house at four four thirty since sept five, like let's 1:49:10.120 --> 1:49:10.799 keep it going. 1:49:11.120 --> 1:49:14.320 I just yes, oh yeah, no, like when you when 1:49:14.360 --> 1:49:16.120 you got home early enough where you'd get to watch 1:49:16.120 --> 1:49:22.400 a show normally, Yeah, get to watch was very exciting 1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:24.960 and then the whole you know TRL era that was 1:49:25.000 --> 1:49:26.240 a very long Oh yeah. 1:49:26.240 --> 1:49:27.080 I get home for that. 1:49:27.720 --> 1:49:28.040 Yeah. 1:49:28.160 --> 1:49:31.000 I have part of my lore is that I ran 1:49:31.080 --> 1:49:33.920 home to watch a Backstreet Boy premiere of a music video, 1:49:34.560 --> 1:49:38.639 but I ran home realized they didn't have keys, didn't 1:49:38.680 --> 1:49:41.479 know how to get it, broke down our back door 1:49:42.120 --> 1:49:44.960 that like where the knob is was a hole, and 1:49:45.040 --> 1:49:48.439 I like broke it and got to watch the video. 1:49:48.600 --> 1:49:50.840 But yeah, what song was it again? 1:49:51.640 --> 1:49:52.240 Yeah? 1:49:52.360 --> 1:49:53.800 I think it was more than that. It was like 1:49:53.840 --> 1:49:56.160 the video or the one. It was the video where 1:49:56.160 --> 1:49:58.760 it was for the fans. It was their tour and 1:49:58.760 --> 1:50:00.880 it was like, you'll be the I think it's you'll 1:50:00.880 --> 1:50:03.840 be the one more then that's more sad. It was that, Yeah, 1:50:03.960 --> 1:50:06.280 not even a giant hit, not even a giant. 1:50:06.080 --> 1:50:07.040 You're like, this is for me. 1:50:10.560 --> 1:50:12.559 We have had like a lot of people on this 1:50:12.640 --> 1:50:17.480 podcast who are also married to actors, and you're married. 1:50:17.200 --> 1:50:17.960 To an actor. 1:50:18.520 --> 1:50:20.479 How does that go? Do you guys help each other? 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:23.479 Do help each other with scenework? Which is you know, 1:50:23.680 --> 1:50:24.520 like do you. 1:50:24.360 --> 1:50:25.680 Well there's uh. 1:50:26.400 --> 1:50:31.559 As as the industry stands right now, the majority of 1:50:31.560 --> 1:50:36.320 my auditions are done through self tape. It's very rare 1:50:36.360 --> 1:50:38.519 that I get to go into an office off the 1:50:38.560 --> 1:50:41.479 bat and audition for something, maybe for a callback or something. 1:50:41.800 --> 1:50:47.080 But so uh, John is always my reader on the 1:50:47.120 --> 1:50:51.080 other side of the of the camera. And he does 1:50:51.120 --> 1:50:53.479 have a rather distinct voice, so. 1:50:53.640 --> 1:50:56.160 I want you to tell people are like, who's that? 1:50:56.400 --> 1:50:56.840 What is it. 1:50:58.400 --> 1:50:58.920 Familiar? 1:50:59.840 --> 1:51:03.400 But yeah, as fars like, logistically, it's a huge help 1:51:03.479 --> 1:51:08.880 because I don't really have friends that are actors, not 1:51:09.000 --> 1:51:12.280 by for any reason. It's just that's just the way 1:51:12.280 --> 1:51:15.120 it is. So when I would have, you know, like 1:51:15.200 --> 1:51:16.400 my best friend read with. 1:51:16.320 --> 1:51:17.840 Me, it's it's rough. 1:51:18.360 --> 1:51:20.720 It's like, uh, you know. 1:51:20.920 --> 1:51:23.439 And so to be able to read where the other 1:51:23.479 --> 1:51:27.320 person's an actual actor and a good one, it's very 1:51:27.560 --> 1:51:31.719 very helpful. But as far as like when a job 1:51:31.840 --> 1:51:36.280 is booked, we're not really getting in each other's business 1:51:36.360 --> 1:51:40.000 or given any notes unless they're explicitly asked. 1:51:40.080 --> 1:51:42.599 But it's more just setting up. 1:51:42.520 --> 1:51:46.040 The camera and you know, yeah, making sure I look 1:51:46.120 --> 1:51:48.880 good in the light and reading the other lines. 1:51:48.960 --> 1:51:50.920 How did you guys meet? Did you guys meet on 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:51.679 a set? 1:51:52.000 --> 1:51:54.920 Or yes, we met? We met on the last episode 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:58.960 of mad Men, that's crazy the finale? Yes? 1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:01.160 What are yet? What is there? Pard? 1:52:01.240 --> 1:52:03.280 I'm sorry that I don't remember that episode very well. 1:52:03.320 --> 1:52:05.160 I mean I remember that Coca Cola of it all, 1:52:05.240 --> 1:52:06.439 but yeah, yes. 1:52:06.479 --> 1:52:11.360 So the last episode, Don Draper goes to a retreat 1:52:11.640 --> 1:52:15.880 in California, which is supposed to sort of be modeled 1:52:15.880 --> 1:52:19.600 after esseln uh you know, back in the sixties. I 1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:21.040 think this is now nineteen seventy. 1:52:21.120 --> 1:52:26.400 Is the last episode, and I play a like the 1:52:27.040 --> 1:52:32.160 receptionist basically there. So we have two scenes where we're interacting. 1:52:32.200 --> 1:52:35.360 But we shot it in Big sur So that was 1:52:35.479 --> 1:52:38.320 like I'd never been to Big Serve before, and anybody 1:52:38.320 --> 1:52:40.800 who has not been there, I highly recommend it. It 1:52:40.920 --> 1:52:45.759 was It was stunning and just like such a magical place, 1:52:46.960 --> 1:52:55.720 which is where we ended up getting married, you know, yes, exactly. 1:52:55.400 --> 1:52:56.840 We really ought in the same way. 1:52:56.960 --> 1:52:57.759 That was. Yeah. 1:52:58.760 --> 1:53:02.040 I was like, oh, a big wedding sounds nice. Yes, 1:53:02.680 --> 1:53:06.160 And you've worked together since and is that fun? 1:53:06.600 --> 1:53:06.840 Yes? 1:53:08.000 --> 1:53:12.920 Yes, Now we're working together on your Friends and Neighbors, uh, 1:53:13.000 --> 1:53:17.120 for which this we just finished the second season, which 1:53:17.120 --> 1:53:20.360 should be out in the spring. And it's fun that 1:53:20.400 --> 1:53:23.759 we get to uh, you know, go to set together, 1:53:23.920 --> 1:53:25.960 and we have our dog, and we get to live 1:53:25.960 --> 1:53:27.680 in New York for half the year and all of 1:53:27.720 --> 1:53:31.400 those things are you know, I mean, that's like value 1:53:31.400 --> 1:53:32.479 added times a million. 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:36.519 But our characters don't really interact that much within the show. 1:53:36.680 --> 1:53:40.880 So again, we're not really like having to get into 1:53:42.000 --> 1:53:44.240 character with each other that often. 1:53:44.280 --> 1:53:45.400 Where do you guys shoot this. 1:53:47.000 --> 1:53:50.280 Your friends and neighbors. We shoot in Westchester mostly around 1:53:50.800 --> 1:53:54.160 that's here where I'm from. Oh really Connecticut, which like 1:53:54.280 --> 1:53:57.320 right by Connecticut but right by the Westchester border. Yeah, 1:53:58.320 --> 1:54:03.759 yes there, and showrunner lived lived I think in Greenwich 1:54:03.840 --> 1:54:07.600 orhen you're Greenwich and it's sort of the town is 1:54:07.600 --> 1:54:10.400 a fictional town that's like an amalgam of basically that 1:54:10.600 --> 1:54:12.439 in all of these Westchester. 1:54:12.120 --> 1:54:15.839 Ye, Rye and Larchemond. Yes, yeah, yes. 1:54:15.880 --> 1:54:18.000 You shoot a lot in Rye Harrison. 1:54:19.560 --> 1:54:23.040 Yeah, because I literally just clicked on it on IMDb 1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:25.400 and it's like showing a trailer of your friends and neighbors, 1:54:25.439 --> 1:54:28.360 and it's so East Colle It's so yeah, like that area. 1:54:28.479 --> 1:54:31.360 I think the main street is Main Street in Rye. 1:54:33.840 --> 1:54:34.280 Cute. 1:54:34.840 --> 1:54:37.560 If you were to come back on SBU, who would 1:54:37.600 --> 1:54:38.040 you play? 1:54:39.600 --> 1:54:43.920 I feel like in the original Mold I would make 1:54:44.320 --> 1:54:47.040 an amazing ada, agreed Paul. 1:54:47.840 --> 1:54:49.680 Yeah, like a Stephanie mart. 1:54:49.480 --> 1:54:55.360 Red hair exactly. Yes, so you know, I'm clearly part 1:54:55.360 --> 1:54:56.680 of the Dick Wolf. 1:54:56.520 --> 1:55:01.120 Universe as is, so maybe you never know, but yeah, 1:55:01.240 --> 1:55:04.160 that's I feel like I've I've grown into that role. 1:55:04.240 --> 1:55:06.840 I think I could pull it off. And I always 1:55:06.840 --> 1:55:07.280 wanted to be. 1:55:07.280 --> 1:55:09.680 A lawyer when I was younger, but like say, it 1:55:09.720 --> 1:55:11.800 was either an actor. 1:55:11.080 --> 1:55:11.960 Or a lawyer. 1:55:12.240 --> 1:55:14.360 I would have made a really really good lawyer. 1:55:14.480 --> 1:55:16.520 Yeah, I know, but it's so much paperwork, like it. 1:55:16.640 --> 1:55:20.520 Really exactly the best case is just to get to 1:55:20.720 --> 1:55:22.240 be a lawyer on a. 1:55:22.160 --> 1:55:26.240 TV The one I mean is the hero of the show. 1:55:26.280 --> 1:55:28.879 But if you're the if you're the DA, you're usually 1:55:29.880 --> 1:55:32.080 like you you make the case fine, it's like the 1:55:32.160 --> 1:55:35.400 last thing you're usually tricking, get someone thing. You're like 1:55:35.880 --> 1:55:37.960 wait what, and then you got to kind of get 1:55:38.000 --> 1:55:38.840 to embarrass someone. 1:55:38.960 --> 1:55:44.840 It's really yes, so electric you you get to you 1:55:44.880 --> 1:55:47.880 have the final say, you know, Rischko only only gives 1:55:47.880 --> 1:55:51.000 her two cents, but the ADA really. 1:55:51.200 --> 1:55:53.879 I also loved the a DA from from my episode 1:55:54.040 --> 1:55:54.760 of Barbara. 1:55:54.840 --> 1:56:01.040 Oh please, we love Barbara, We love Yeah. 1:56:00.400 --> 1:56:03.480 Yes, thank you for watching it too, it must be 1:56:03.640 --> 1:56:05.800 did you watch it when it first came out or. 1:56:06.360 --> 1:56:10.360 Absolutely yes, I'm a I need I need to see. 1:56:10.120 --> 1:56:12.120 My work on the screen. 1:56:12.400 --> 1:56:15.920 Yeah, like watching it through, you know, like fingers like 1:56:15.960 --> 1:56:18.800 this because it's you're cringing half the time, but then 1:56:18.840 --> 1:56:20.720 you do want to see how it all turned out 1:56:20.760 --> 1:56:23.400 after you put that much effort and energy into it. 1:56:24.120 --> 1:56:27.520 But I hadn't seen it since then, so I enjoyed 1:56:27.560 --> 1:56:28.960 it as a fan of the show. 1:56:29.040 --> 1:56:30.720 I thought it was it's so. 1:56:30.720 --> 1:56:33.160 Nice to talk to someone who is a fan of 1:56:33.160 --> 1:56:35.000 the show, because we talked to lots of people. 1:56:35.360 --> 1:56:36.120 It's always great. 1:56:36.120 --> 1:56:38.920 But when they're like, I don't really watch, it wasn't 1:56:38.920 --> 1:56:40.560 that big of a thing for me, except that it's 1:56:40.560 --> 1:56:41.880 great to get on Law and Order if you live 1:56:41.880 --> 1:56:42.560 in New York, you know. 1:56:43.000 --> 1:56:45.320 I like when it's somebody that loves the show. 1:56:45.920 --> 1:56:50.280 Yes, and I hadn't really watched in a like I 1:56:50.320 --> 1:56:52.280 stopped watching the New Ones. 1:56:52.480 --> 1:56:54.560 Yeah, and I feel like I might jump back in now, 1:56:54.960 --> 1:56:55.280 might have. 1:56:55.400 --> 1:56:58.240 Now that you're now that is the main character. 1:56:59.480 --> 1:57:02.280 But did you do you leave seasons like you stopped 1:57:02.800 --> 1:57:04.920 once Stabler left or did you ever pop in for 1:57:05.000 --> 1:57:05.960 the Amaro rollin? 1:57:06.080 --> 1:57:07.080 No? No, no, I don't know. 1:57:07.120 --> 1:57:12.520 I've definitely watched after Stabler left, and I hadn't. I 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:17.360 think I was still kind of watching like every season 1:57:17.440 --> 1:57:22.000 premiere up to like when I shot, and then I 1:57:22.000 --> 1:57:24.360 think sort of after that maybe i'd watch like the 1:57:24.360 --> 1:57:26.960 first episode and then i'd sort of like fall off, 1:57:27.480 --> 1:57:32.280 But I definitely haven't watched it in many, many many years, 1:57:32.320 --> 1:57:35.240 like like a live episode or if like what happens 1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:37.360 to be on and then I'm like, who are these people? 1:57:37.440 --> 1:57:38.440 When did this happen? 1:57:38.800 --> 1:57:42.800 There's been a lot we get a detective or like 1:57:43.280 --> 1:57:45.160 boss for a few year or a year and they're 1:57:45.600 --> 1:57:49.200 But Kevin Kane's the most consistent new guy that I 1:57:49.240 --> 1:57:50.720 think is gonna okay. 1:57:50.840 --> 1:57:52.520 I really like and this character a lot. 1:57:53.640 --> 1:57:58.160 And so sometimes I hear that Stabler pops in with 1:57:58.240 --> 1:58:00.840 some gassover episodes I drew a lot. 1:58:00.720 --> 1:58:04.840 Of over they're trying to promote his show, but they're 1:58:04.880 --> 1:58:07.440 also trolling the fans that want them to get together, 1:58:07.600 --> 1:58:08.960 even though it's never going to happen. 1:58:09.160 --> 1:58:10.440 And it's like a little it's. 1:58:10.320 --> 1:58:13.160 Always an almost kiss, it's an I love you, it's 1:58:13.160 --> 1:58:16.400 a weird letter, it's the tease, and it's like we'd 1:58:16.440 --> 1:58:20.160 want better for her, and she cannot be with this 1:58:20.280 --> 1:58:25.440 man who's treated her like a second option, right, doesn't 1:58:25.480 --> 1:58:28.160 go to therapy, Like what are you talking about? 1:58:29.240 --> 1:58:31.120 My wife's said, now, I could tease you. 1:58:31.240 --> 1:58:34.520 Yeah, she deserves so it's like hard for us. 1:58:35.480 --> 1:58:38.120 Yeah, this was so great. 1:58:38.160 --> 1:58:40.080 Thank you for talking to us, Thank. 1:58:39.880 --> 1:58:42.280 You, thank you so much for having me on. 1:58:42.360 --> 1:58:45.320 Our listeners are going to be very excited because yeah, 1:58:45.520 --> 1:58:46.360 this was my worry. 1:58:47.440 --> 1:58:51.280 Your first is my first podcast? Wow, thank you. 1:58:52.120 --> 1:58:55.600 We couldn't tell. We couldn't tell, we couldn't tell. Excited 1:58:55.640 --> 1:58:57.040 to be your first. 1:58:58.040 --> 1:59:01.400 I think it also will be be the first one 1:59:01.400 --> 1:59:03.680 I listened to when when it comes out. 1:59:03.720 --> 1:59:05.640 You're gonna have to download Apple Podcasts. 1:59:05.920 --> 1:59:09.400 Yes, yes, I'll email you and you'll explain to me. 1:59:14.320 --> 1:59:15.240 That was fun. 1:59:16.360 --> 1:59:21.240 Yes, she is so nice. What a nice scale, very cool, 1:59:21.600 --> 1:59:22.360 down to earth. 1:59:22.640 --> 1:59:22.800 Well. 1:59:22.800 --> 1:59:25.520 I also just love like she she got it together 1:59:25.560 --> 1:59:27.000 as a teen. She's like, I'm gonna go to this 1:59:27.040 --> 1:59:29.120 little red school. I'm going to be a model, and 1:59:29.120 --> 1:59:30.600 then I'm moving to LA and my whole family is 1:59:30.640 --> 1:59:32.840 going to follow me. And I'm like, okay, you're I mean, 1:59:32.880 --> 1:59:35.680 what an alpha bitch. She's like a main character energy 1:59:35.720 --> 1:59:36.840 in her fan for sure. 1:59:37.160 --> 1:59:38.200 For sure they're. 1:59:38.040 --> 1:59:39.800 Like, I guess if A is going to La, pack 1:59:39.840 --> 1:59:45.080 the bags guys, But yeah, I can't believe she's also 1:59:45.200 --> 1:59:47.480 like once I googled the photo of her in the 1:59:47.520 --> 1:59:50.480 Mad Men final episode, I'm like, yes, the little like 1:59:50.960 --> 1:59:52.840 she looks kind of like a Swiss miss girl or 1:59:52.840 --> 1:59:56.160 anything with like the red ribbons in her hair, and like, yeah. 1:59:55.880 --> 1:59:57.680 I have to watch mad Men. I do. 1:59:57.840 --> 2:00:02.160 It just is like it's so prestige. You really have 2:00:02.200 --> 2:00:02.800 to be in the mood. 2:00:02.920 --> 2:00:03.440 I don't know. 2:00:03.600 --> 2:00:08.400 I don't know why. Yeah, avoided for so long. I 2:00:08.480 --> 2:00:13.160 really liked it. But it's like very it is like Artie, 2:00:13.320 --> 2:00:15.440 it's kind of like you're you're just like it's not 2:00:15.600 --> 2:00:19.560 like it's not like Breaking Bad, which was also very prestige, 2:00:19.560 --> 2:00:23.040 but something like crazy fucking happens every episode in Breaking Bad, 2:00:23.120 --> 2:00:25.920 you know, like Mad Men would just have some episodes 2:00:25.920 --> 2:00:27.840 that were more all. 2:00:27.800 --> 2:00:29.320 Those women seem so cool. 2:00:29.360 --> 2:00:32.160 I also like John Slattery, I was an advertising major 2:00:32.240 --> 2:00:33.200 for a semester. 2:00:34.040 --> 2:00:36.640 Yeah, I think that stuff would interest you. I mean 2:00:36.680 --> 2:00:40.400 it's very frustrating watching also, and like claw her way 2:00:40.400 --> 2:00:44.000 to the top because these men are you know, horrible 2:00:44.080 --> 2:00:47.000 for a lot of it. But also just like the 2:00:47.040 --> 2:00:49.720 way it's done, like you feel like you're in that 2:00:49.760 --> 2:00:52.200 time period, like you know, it's like I remember reading 2:00:52.280 --> 2:00:55.600 that Christina Hendrix like was wearing underwear from the time, 2:00:55.640 --> 2:00:59.640 but like everything is so like authentic from the time period. 2:00:59.760 --> 2:01:02.000 That and New York in a different time period is 2:01:02.040 --> 2:01:04.960 always interesting to me. You know, maybe a blizzard that's 2:01:05.000 --> 2:01:09.240 like a blizzard watch, Oh, a blizzard, you know, like, listen, 2:01:09.480 --> 2:01:11.879 you're packed in, you have three days. 2:01:12.120 --> 2:01:15.280 I think that's gonna be my I'm waiting for the blizzard. 2:01:15.560 --> 2:01:18.400 Okay, if global warming might make it so that you 2:01:18.480 --> 2:01:24.839 never see mad men. Back to SVU, the post mortem 2:01:24.880 --> 2:01:27.720 on this is, yeah, fuck the fucking fuck of the 2:01:27.800 --> 2:01:28.480 rape culture. 2:01:29.040 --> 2:01:31.800 And I'm glad that that judge got recalled. 2:01:32.280 --> 2:01:36.000 I'm sorry that it ended up possibly resulting in some 2:01:36.120 --> 2:01:42.520 knee jerk reactions from other judges that probably unfortunately affected 2:01:42.640 --> 2:01:47.560 the wrong people. But I just think we needed to 2:01:47.640 --> 2:01:49.920 send a message to all the fucking old, crusty white 2:01:50.000 --> 2:01:53.080 judges that they can't let young, crusty white men get 2:01:53.120 --> 2:01:54.040 away with their crimes. 2:01:55.080 --> 2:02:00.520 Yeah, one hund you know, but her book. I need 2:02:00.520 --> 2:02:07.160 to read Chanelle Miller's book, like I It's just it's 2:02:07.200 --> 2:02:11.920 such a common story and I guess it's not cool. 2:02:11.960 --> 2:02:13.960 I don't know the right words because I would hope 2:02:14.000 --> 2:02:18.920 this never happened, But it's a compelling read. I would say, 2:02:19.040 --> 2:02:22.200 like I want. I'm compelled to read it because she 2:02:22.320 --> 2:02:25.800 seems very smart, well spoken, like was able to do 2:02:25.840 --> 2:02:29.440 all that, so like to be able to kind of 2:02:29.480 --> 2:02:32.160 write about this common experience is probably helpful to a 2:02:32.200 --> 2:02:34.400 lot of people. I don't know, I'm like into it. 2:02:34.560 --> 2:02:37.680 I but the audience know. I'm not reading it. I'm 2:02:37.680 --> 2:02:40.360 gonna try. I'll buy it. I'm gonna buy it right now. 2:02:40.440 --> 2:02:44.000 I'll buy it. You know, I'm not gonna read it, 2:02:44.040 --> 2:02:45.640 but at least I'll give her something. I'm not even 2:02:45.680 --> 2:02:47.080 gonna go to Amazon. I'm gonna go to a small 2:02:47.080 --> 2:02:51.760 bookstore right now. Do I google small bookstore? Small bookstore? 2:02:52.320 --> 2:02:54.320 You know, you know it's like a good bookstore. Is 2:02:54.360 --> 2:02:57.760 Powell's Bookstore? I think it's in Portland, Casey. 2:02:57.880 --> 2:03:01.120 Yeah, And that's like a bookstore that I think is 2:03:01.160 --> 2:03:04.080 like trustworthy in terms of shipping. 2:03:03.720 --> 2:03:04.120 And all that. 2:03:04.200 --> 2:03:07.960 But all right, well, speaking of the book, let's get 2:03:07.960 --> 2:03:10.160 into our what would Sister Peg Do, which is our 2:03:10.440 --> 2:03:15.040 weekly segment where we direct you towards a book, an organization, 2:03:15.200 --> 2:03:16.640 something to give you more info about what we talked 2:03:16.680 --> 2:03:18.879 about today, and obviously we want to point you towards 2:03:19.080 --> 2:03:22.800 Chanelle Miller's book. Know my Name is what it's called. 2:03:23.080 --> 2:03:25.440 This is her account of the events of her sexual assault, 2:03:25.480 --> 2:03:27.600 but also the trial and how she coped with it all. 2:03:27.840 --> 2:03:31.600 And I'll say, like her impact statement is so well 2:03:31.600 --> 2:03:34.320 written and amazing that I can only imagine the book 2:03:34.400 --> 2:03:36.680 is just like, you know, a longer version of that. 2:03:37.320 --> 2:03:39.880 And she talked about how writing this book was her 2:03:39.920 --> 2:03:42.240 attempt to reappropriate her narrative identity. 2:03:42.360 --> 2:03:44.520 So check out No My Name. 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:48.040 You can also check out she wrote a why a 2:03:48.240 --> 2:03:51.440 novel that has nothing to do with the crime called 2:03:51.600 --> 2:03:55.520 Magnolia Wu Unfolds It All and the main character is 2:03:55.560 --> 2:03:58.120 a Chinese American nine year old sock detective. 2:03:58.160 --> 2:04:02.800 What's a sock detective? Missing socks and reunites them with. 2:04:03.960 --> 2:04:08.400 Oh my god, that's freaking cute. And it takes place 2:04:08.440 --> 2:04:11.400 in New York. If you have a teen or somebody 2:04:11.400 --> 2:04:14.720 that's into the YA type books, let's get them Magnolia 2:04:14.760 --> 2:04:18.040 Woo Unfolds It All for this coming holiday season, and yeah, 2:04:18.080 --> 2:04:21.160 that will. Both of those books will be linked in 2:04:21.280 --> 2:04:24.600 our show notes and they will also be posted as 2:04:24.640 --> 2:04:27.120 stories the day this episode comes out, and those get saved. 2:04:27.160 --> 2:04:29.960 Those stories get saved in our WWSPD highlights. You can 2:04:30.000 --> 2:04:32.720 always go back if you're feeling generous and check out 2:04:32.720 --> 2:04:35.440 some of the organizations we've recommended and donate money or 2:04:35.480 --> 2:04:37.000 read books or articles or whatever. 2:04:37.800 --> 2:04:41.640 Yeah, thanks for saving all of them, Kara. I think probably, 2:04:41.680 --> 2:04:43.480 I think they know it's not me doing it, but 2:04:45.760 --> 2:04:49.800 just to make sure a loud shout out. I'm also 2:04:49.880 --> 2:04:52.480 hoping that we meet more guests in the wild. It 2:04:52.560 --> 2:04:55.560 is just more exciting it is when you kind of 2:04:55.600 --> 2:04:58.360 trap a human out in the wild and brand and 2:04:58.400 --> 2:04:59.040 get him in there. 2:05:00.080 --> 2:05:02.840 Oh it's my I mean I've so far I lured 2:05:02.880 --> 2:05:05.680 one guest in from the playground. Yeah, you've got one 2:05:05.720 --> 2:05:08.680 from the comedy club. And you're meeting people on sets 2:05:08.760 --> 2:05:10.720 now that you're luring in. I think it's good. I 2:05:10.720 --> 2:05:13.240 think it's good. We're trapping people, we're setting up traps 2:05:13.280 --> 2:05:16.000 in the wilds and I love it. Next week we're 2:05:16.040 --> 2:05:19.120 going way back. 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